:01:16. > :01:19.the true blue? As UKIP becomes the main county council opposition in
:01:19. > :01:29.Kent and West Sussex, we'll ask Nigel Farage what difference his
:01:29. > :01:29.
:01:29. > :38:37.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2227 seconds
:38:37. > :38:41.Sunday Politics in the South East. Coming up later: Parting the red
:38:41. > :38:46.vote? Will UKIP's success in last week's county council elections help
:38:46. > :38:48.or hinder the Labour Party? Joining me in the studio today is the
:38:48. > :38:50.Liberal Democrat MP for Eastbourne and Willingdon Stephen Lloyd and the
:38:50. > :38:58.Labour Prospective Parliamentary Candidate for Chatham and Aylesford
:38:58. > :39:05.Tristan Osborne. In a few moments, we'll be speaking to the UKIP leader
:39:06. > :39:10.Nigel Farage. Tristan, you made much-needed gains on Thursday but
:39:10. > :39:15.not enough to be confident of the breakthrough you need at the next
:39:16. > :39:20.general election. Well, we topped the vote at 29% this time round.
:39:20. > :39:27.won seats in areas in which we need to form the next government, in
:39:27. > :39:34.constituencies like Dover, Harlow in Essex. We are on course for a
:39:34. > :39:40.victory in 2015 and we have made significant gains across the region.
:39:40. > :39:45.But under Tony Blair you had 22 seats and now you have 13. There is
:39:45. > :39:48.still more work to do but this is not the same time as when Tony Blair
:39:48. > :39:55.was here. We are in a recession at the moment. We have just been in
:39:55. > :39:59.government for 13 years. We have a lot more to build on. We are looking
:39:59. > :40:04.to make 40 games at the next general election and we are on course to
:40:04. > :40:10.make that. Stephen, you held on to all your feeds in Eastbourne, but
:40:10. > :40:15.further afield you took a beating. It was a challenge but in Eastbourne
:40:15. > :40:25.it was a fantastic result. doubled our majority in the one seat
:40:25. > :40:28.the Tories were targeting. We made a few losses in Lewis but we stole
:40:28. > :40:33.this -- we are still the second largest party in the county council.
:40:33. > :40:37.It is an incredibly strong result. Well, the impact of UKIP was felt
:40:37. > :40:40.across the South East in last week's elections - the party won 37 seats
:40:40. > :40:46.in our counties. They're now the main opposition to the Conservatives
:40:46. > :40:49.in Kent and West Sussex, leaving the Lib Dems trailing in their wake.
:40:49. > :40:52.Labour made significant gains, but the Tories lost their overall
:40:52. > :41:02.majority - and the control - of East Sussex. Lucinda Adam looks at how
:41:02. > :41:03.
:41:03. > :41:08.the political landscape has changed. They've been called fruitcakes,
:41:08. > :41:12.loonies and clowns, but who is laughing now? UKIP 137 seats across
:41:12. > :41:16.the south-east. They are now the opposition party in Kent and West
:41:16. > :41:21.Sussex. Although they took fewer seats in East Sussex, it was enough
:41:21. > :41:26.to take overall control of the away from the Conservatives. As the votes
:41:26. > :41:30.were counted, UKIP and Labour made significant gains. It was the
:41:30. > :41:34.Conservatives and Liberal Democrats who became coalition casualties. In
:41:34. > :41:38.Thanet, UKIP won seven out of the eight county council seats from the
:41:38. > :41:44.Tories. It is really because our policies resonate from the man on
:41:44. > :41:54.the ground. Immigration, lack of services or overloaded services,
:41:54. > :41:59.schools, health care. As the UKIP tally to 17, it gave council leader
:41:59. > :42:05.Paul Carter caused concern. party only just held on to a
:42:05. > :42:08.majority -- cause for concern. Losing 26 seats has slashed their
:42:09. > :42:14.majority from 59 to just six. Paul Carter lays the blame the
:42:14. > :42:18.government's door. One of the most stressful three hours of my life
:42:18. > :42:24.from one o'clock onwards this afternoon. If you get 25% of the
:42:24. > :42:30.voters voting UKIP, the consequences will be very close. The government
:42:30. > :42:36.has got 18 months to turn the country round. They got to rethink
:42:36. > :42:41.and recalibrate and tell us where they really want to take this
:42:41. > :42:48.country. While UKIP stole Labour's hopes of a comeback in Thanet, then
:42:48. > :42:56.now have seven out of eight councillors in Thanet. Edmund and
:42:56. > :43:01.was in town to celebrate. It is an unprecedented result to win seven
:43:01. > :43:05.out of eight seats here in Hastings. It reflects hard work, a
:43:05. > :43:10.message about the cost of living and jobs, the things that matter to
:43:10. > :43:15.people here in Hastings. I'm delighted with the gains we have
:43:15. > :43:19.made. Although Labour has gained three seats in Crawley and ten in
:43:19. > :43:26.Kent, it was not the revival they were hoping for. They haven't made
:43:26. > :43:28.the breakthrough they need. You look along the north Kent corridor, these
:43:29. > :43:34.results don't indicate to me that they have made a huge amount of
:43:34. > :43:37.headway there. If Labour were to win the election, they need to win these
:43:37. > :43:42.marginal seats across the south-east and the whole of the South of
:43:42. > :43:48.England. While the Liberal Democrats didn't lose seats in Kent, gains by
:43:48. > :43:53.the Lib Dems and Labour have pushed them into fourth place. But they
:43:53. > :43:56.lost 17 councillors across the south-east and Surrey. Most people
:43:56. > :44:02.for the -- who voted for UKIP point even know who their new councillor
:44:02. > :44:12.is. What are they going to do locally? Are they going to mend the
:44:12. > :44:14.
:44:14. > :44:17.roads or sort out social services? Now the votes are in, 37 newly
:44:17. > :44:20.elected UKIP councillors are enjoying the Bank Holiday weekend
:44:20. > :44:24.before work begins. What difference will they make to our county
:44:24. > :44:27.councils across the south-east? Lucinda Adam reporting. Joining us
:44:27. > :44:30.in the studio is the leader of the Conservative group on East Sussex
:44:30. > :44:36.County Council Keith Glazier, and from London, the UKIP leader and
:44:36. > :44:39.South East MEP Nigel Farage. Nigel Farage, thank you for joining us. I
:44:39. > :44:44.know you have been busy not least because you have been celebrating.
:44:44. > :44:47.As your knowledge to self, you have now got to prove that you can a
:44:48. > :44:55.difference in local government -- as you act knowledge yourself.
:44:55. > :44:59.Absolutely. We have now got to show that we will stand up for residents
:44:59. > :45:04.and aren't that county councils provide even better value for money.
:45:04. > :45:12.We will campaign against every single wind turbine development
:45:12. > :45:15.occurs they are ugly, useless and don't work. In the south-east, there
:45:15. > :45:21.are not applications due for onshore wind farms. They are popular here
:45:21. > :45:26.and they create jobs. Also, it in the county council, you don't have
:45:26. > :45:30.any influence in those decisions. No, it is very interesting to work
:45:30. > :45:39.out who has responsibly key for anything. In theory, it is the
:45:39. > :45:44.government. UKIP county councillors will not stop at this. It is the
:45:44. > :45:49.most expensive energy folly we have ever pursued. Immigration, let's
:45:49. > :45:54.face it, that is what you have been voted in on at county council level.
:45:54. > :45:57.You talked about wind farms, you lifted the smoking ban in pubs, but
:45:57. > :46:02.none of those issues are relevant to county council politics. We have got
:46:02. > :46:05.to come up with new policies now. What we have seen around the rest of
:46:05. > :46:10.the country, with the very small number of UKIP councillors that we
:46:10. > :46:13.had before last Thursday, UKIP elected representatives rolling
:46:13. > :46:19.their sleeves up, getting involved in communities and making a
:46:19. > :46:23.difference. You are quite right, a lot of this work will be nonparty
:46:23. > :46:29.political. I'm confident we have got a good group of people elected with
:46:29. > :46:37.a delight -- diverse range of backgrounds and it will reinvigorate
:46:37. > :46:44.local democracy. So what are you going to do? It won't be me doing
:46:44. > :46:54.anything because I won't be there! But we will fight hard if there is a
:46:54. > :46:54.
:46:54. > :46:57.big, contentious issue. The people feel awkward... Back with you in a
:46:57. > :47:00.moment. Keith Glazier. You were expecting to be the leader of East
:47:00. > :47:03.Sussex county council by now, but thanks to Nigel, you're just the
:47:03. > :47:11.leader of the Conservative party with no overall control. What
:47:11. > :47:16.happens now? We have got some independents who have gained some
:47:16. > :47:24.seats in East Sussex, and of course we have gained some and lost some as
:47:25. > :47:31.well. Clearly we now have to have some conversations to form the next
:47:31. > :47:36.administration for this county. is going to be interesting. You need
:47:36. > :47:42.to form some sort of coalition. You have got the Liberal Democrats, your
:47:42. > :47:46.traditional enemies in Sussex, which would you rather be in bed with? I
:47:46. > :47:49.would rather not be in bed with any of them, but I need to talk to all
:47:49. > :47:56.of the councillors who will form East Sussex county council going
:47:56. > :48:06.forward. A busy weekend for you then. Stephen
:48:06. > :48:16.Lloyd, UKIP took a lot of seats from you. That must have been a surprise.
:48:16. > :48:16.
:48:16. > :48:24.I don't think they took seats from us in East Sussex. They did. What we
:48:24. > :48:30.saw in Eastbourne was that most when the Conservatives. Clearly, as Nigel
:48:30. > :48:34.has alluded to, have had a very successful campaign. It will be
:48:34. > :48:38.interesting to see how it pans out over the next few months locally. On
:48:38. > :48:43.a national level, the Conservatives are the major problem. On the way
:48:43. > :48:53.here, I wonder whether this UKIP surge as the Tories' STP moment from
:48:53. > :48:53.
:48:53. > :48:59.30 years ago. This could play very well for you, Tristan. If the
:49:00. > :49:06.Conservatives go to the right, it is an open goal for you guys.
:49:06. > :49:10.Absolutely. We are winning back constituencies, divisions which will
:49:10. > :49:14.lead us to the next government. Labour is scoring well. What I would
:49:14. > :49:19.say is that where labour is not putting up a presence in some areas
:49:19. > :49:22.of Kent, you could have taken what was the Thatcherite vote. The
:49:22. > :49:29.right-wing vote. The right wing and that is unhappy with David Cameron
:49:29. > :49:37.and wants to go back to 1980s that right government. They want a return
:49:37. > :49:43.to Margaret Thatcher, Nigel. It has been hard labour for 100 years and
:49:43. > :49:49.in came UKIP from zero to 24%, and most of our voters are old Labour
:49:49. > :49:53.voters. There are lots of Labour and Lib Dem voters for UKIP, as well.
:49:53. > :50:03.Stephen Lloyd, would you like to see Keith work with your party or with
:50:03. > :50:04.
:50:04. > :50:08.UKIP? I think Keith has an interesting challenge. My
:50:08. > :50:16.suggestion, because clearly I'm here to give some helpful advice, is to
:50:16. > :50:19.perhaps discuss this with Labour in Hastings. That is interesting! The
:50:19. > :50:22.Lib Dems' loss of seats across Sussex in particular suggests that
:50:22. > :50:24.they may no longer be the South East's favourite protest party since
:50:24. > :50:28.they went into Coalition Government. Labour candidates were hoping to
:50:28. > :50:31.capitalise on this but they saw many of their protest votes go to UKIP.
:50:31. > :50:39.But, in the long term, could UKIP's success actually benefit the Labour
:50:39. > :50:44.Party? The Liberal Democrats have traditionally enjoyed success in
:50:44. > :50:48.local elections in the south-east as the party of the protest vote. But
:50:48. > :50:52.now their National Power is making them a party to protest against.
:50:52. > :50:59.They held seats in Eastbourne and Kent but lost 17 councillors in
:50:59. > :51:03.Sussex and Surrey. In the south-east, they are the party that
:51:03. > :51:07.which has suffered most overall. It is queer why there is a particularly
:51:07. > :51:10.big protest at this time, because we are in a situation where, for
:51:11. > :51:18.slightly different reasons, the three major national parties south
:51:18. > :51:23.of the border have all suffered in terms of their public popularity.
:51:23. > :51:28.Popularity with protest voters has earned the Green party their first
:51:28. > :51:36.MP. But this time around, they have failed to gain any seats
:51:36. > :51:40.across-the-board in Sussex. They did win their first county seat in Kent.
:51:40. > :51:46.It sends a message party wide that the Green party can be a force. It
:51:46. > :51:54.is an incredible breakthrough. years ago, the Green vote share was
:51:54. > :52:01.almost the same as UKIP. So why haven't they made more games? --
:52:01. > :52:04.more games? You have to take the flak that comes, it is not entirely
:52:04. > :52:10.surprising that there is a little bit of reaction against them for
:52:10. > :52:14.that reason. It is a very slow, steady pattern of progress. By
:52:15. > :52:22.contrast with UKIP, that looks decidedly unspectacular and
:52:22. > :52:27.unimpressive. The Conservatives, they need to work to win back voters
:52:27. > :52:33.lost to UKIP to reinforce their south-east chokehold. In seats like
:52:33. > :52:40.Hastings, it is labour, buoyed by their county council gains, who have
:52:40. > :52:47.their eye on winning the protest vote in 2015. The government is not
:52:47. > :52:51.in touch. It doesn't listen. With UKIP splitting the right-wing vote,
:52:51. > :52:56.could Labour turn around their fortunes in the south-east. I think
:52:56. > :53:00.there is a strategic dilemma for David Cameron. An obvious message to
:53:00. > :53:04.take from today with the success of UKIP is that we should be taking
:53:04. > :53:09.tough action on Europe, immigration, spending cuts and so on and so
:53:09. > :53:16.forth. In other words, shift further to the right. But the dangers are
:53:16. > :53:26.that you then lose out on the centre ground and you open up this wave of
:53:26. > :53:27.
:53:27. > :53:35.the electoral vote. The irony is that their success will put them
:53:35. > :53:38.under the spotlight of scrutiny. They could be a flash in the pan. A
:53:38. > :53:42.lot of them have got no experience of local government at all and do
:53:43. > :53:47.not understand how much time it will take. A lot of them may fall by the
:53:47. > :53:51.wayside. That has been the story of UKIP MEPs over the years. By the
:53:51. > :53:58.time the next election comes around, three or four of them have either
:53:59. > :54:08.gone, defected or are in prison. protest vote has brought
:54:08. > :54:15.multi-cultural politics to south-east regions. Time to talk to
:54:15. > :54:21.our guests of the day, Tristan and Stephen. You one he -- seats in
:54:21. > :54:31.Hastings, but not in planet. Why is your message going down well with
:54:31. > :54:31.
:54:31. > :54:36.some parts of the south-east but not others? Sarah Owen has worked very
:54:36. > :54:42.hard in Hastings to get those seven seats. But I would say is that
:54:42. > :54:45.Labour is now the only moderate and internationalist party on the agenda
:54:45. > :54:53.now. The Conservative party has conceded the centre ground to
:54:53. > :54:58.Labour. In planet, as I just mentioned, you had a Labour MP there
:54:58. > :55:04.before. Seven out of eight seats went UKIP. So that is where you need
:55:04. > :55:11.to target. The danger is that UKIP are going to steal your thunder.
:55:11. > :55:15.UKIP may take Conservative voters, but we are also winning in our own
:55:15. > :55:23.right in the key constituencies which will form our government of
:55:23. > :55:27.2015, in Dover, Hastings, Harley -- Harlow, Crawley. If we continue to
:55:27. > :55:30.do that and we continue to stay in the centre ground and have a one
:55:30. > :55:40.nation, moderate message that is socially liberal, we will win power
:55:40. > :55:47.in 2015. Stephen, big dangers for your party. Further afield, where
:55:47. > :55:56.there are not MPs, your losing dramatically. Where there is a
:55:56. > :56:00.strong local vote, we are winning. But there are only two of you.
:56:00. > :56:08.know, and I was interested in what Tristan was saying. Labour have not
:56:08. > :56:14.had the breakthrough they should have done. There is no way it is one
:56:14. > :56:21.nation. You have a real challenge. But the biggest problem in the UKIP
:56:21. > :56:27.rise -- is the UKIP rise. David, if you tack to the right, Tristan will
:56:27. > :56:31.be the winner here. None of this is about local government. As someone
:56:31. > :56:35.who wants to lead a good, local council, I think we need to
:56:35. > :56:40.absolutely understand what the 43,000 people in East Sussex meant
:56:40. > :56:44.when they voted UKIP. The 50,000 that voted for us, we know what they
:56:45. > :56:49.meant. Labour and liberals combined only just got the same vote as
:56:49. > :56:55.UKIP. There is a message here. We need to understand it, but equally
:56:55. > :57:01.we need to deliver good services for the people of East Sussex. Nigel
:57:01. > :57:07.Farage, you will be under scrutiny now, you know that. Ian thinks most
:57:07. > :57:14.of your councillors went last the difference. Here's speculating. I'm
:57:14. > :57:17.confident we will get good people in there who will do a good job. My
:57:17. > :57:21.method is to the other parties that something fundamental has changed
:57:21. > :57:27.here. UKIP is now a force in politics, it is here to stay, and
:57:27. > :57:30.roll on the European elections that we will have this time next year.
:57:30. > :57:34.Look what has happened the Greens. They have now got power in Brighton
:57:34. > :57:40.and Hove. They did win as much as they had hoped this time, this is
:57:40. > :57:44.the danger for your party. No, the Green party has never been more than
:57:44. > :57:49.a party strong in five or six cities across the country. It has never had
:57:49. > :57:54.that spread of support. Second question, you said this morning, you
:57:54. > :58:00.will announce job Parliamentary candidate shown next June. You're
:58:00. > :58:09.going to stand in Kent, surely? When I make my mind up, I'm sure I will
:58:09. > :58:19.do it as an exclusive with you! Lovely! . Now a round-up of the
:58:19. > :58:21.
:58:21. > :58:26.see CCTV cameras installed in an attempt to cut down a number of
:58:26. > :58:31.attacks on paramedics. Last, there were 98 assaults on South East and
:58:31. > :58:33.Berlin staff. Live animal exports resumed at the Port of Dover this
:58:34. > :58:41.week. Animal rights protesters are not
:58:41. > :58:45.pleased. Hastings and Ryan MP Amber Rudd has
:58:45. > :58:49.been criticised as describing the Hastings as a magnet for those on
:58:49. > :58:53.drugs. She defended herself and said she is still incredibly optimistic
:58:53. > :59:01.about Hastings. Sussex police has become the first force in the
:59:01. > :59:05.country to buy GPS devices to help those suffering from dementia.
:59:05. > :59:11.And then abrasions the Brighton council as it is confirmed the
:59:11. > :59:21.Alnwick Stadium will host two matches the Rugby World Cup 2015.
:59:21. > :59:23.
:59:23. > :59:26.I have got no issues. Stephen Lloyd, GPS tracking of
:59:26. > :59:33.dementia patients, a big issue in Sussex and a controversial one.
:59:33. > :59:38.Where do you stand? I think this has got to be a good idea. I work very
:59:38. > :59:48.got to be a good idea. I work very got to be a good idea. I work very
:59:48. > :59:50.
:59:50. > :59:53.closely with local police. You are supportive? Yes, I am. People with
:59:53. > :59:59.dementia can disappear for half a day and it is very worrying for the
:59:59. > :00:06.relatives. I certainly think it is worth exploring. Tristan, live
:00:06. > :00:09.animal exports. It has long been an issue in Dover and further afield.
:00:10. > :00:15.think this needs to be decided by scientists and farmers and groups
:00:15. > :00:18.that are experts in this field. Dover is a port. It needs to trade
:00:18. > :00:25.and it makes revenue for the country. We need to support our
:00:25. > :00:31.farmers. Needs to be done ethically and with expert guidance. You must
:00:31. > :00:35.have been celebrating after Amber Rudd's comments? I thought they were
:00:35. > :00:41.pretty outrageous, actually. Ill taste. The people of Hastings and
:00:41. > :00:47.why this week showed their vote by electing seven Labour councillors.
:00:47. > :00:51.We will build a coalition throughout one nation party. We have made
:00:51. > :00:58.significant gains this week and I look forward to the message coming
:00:58. > :01:04.from Ed. The message from Nick Clegg is that you are on a journey.
:01:04. > :01:11.Stephen, where would you like a party to be going now? Despite all
:01:11. > :01:14.the fuss about UKIP, we ended up with twice as many councillors. Most