:01:11. > :01:21.are tough should councils be spending hundreds of thousands on a
:01:21. > :01:21.
:01:21. > :40:14.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2332 seconds
:40:14. > :40:17.competition to be the UK City of Sunday Politics in the South East.
:40:17. > :40:21.Coming up later... Who should pay for the cost of looking after young
:40:21. > :40:29.failed asylum seekers, here unaccompanied? Kent is footing the
:40:29. > :40:33.bill to the tune of a million pounds but should Westminster be paying?
:40:33. > :40:36.Joining me in the studio today to discuss this and other topics is
:40:36. > :40:38.Green MEP for the South East, Keith Taylor and Conservative MP for
:40:38. > :40:42.Ashford and Home Office Minister, Damian Green. Welcome to the
:40:42. > :40:45.programme. Do you bother recycling? Is the system where you live
:40:45. > :40:49.complicated? Do you just chuck all the cans, paper, plastic and glass
:40:49. > :40:52.in a big bag or box and stick it by the front door or are you expected
:40:52. > :40:54.to carefully separate everything into different containers. People in
:40:54. > :40:58.Whitstable were shocked this week when their bin men were caught
:40:58. > :41:08.chucking all the sorted materials in together. Serco the company involved
:41:08. > :41:14.said it was an isolated incident. This really annoys people when
:41:14. > :41:19.they're rubbish isn't collected properly. Yes, absolutely right, the
:41:19. > :41:24.best place to sort your rubbish is in the kitchen sink, so you can
:41:24. > :41:30.separate all of the messy bedside. It does not take a great deal of
:41:30. > :41:37.effort. To see it being dumped together, it must be very annoying
:41:38. > :41:42.indeed. Surely, fewer people are inclined to do it, should we not
:41:42. > :41:48.make it as simple as possible, someone else will sort it out, throw
:41:48. > :41:52.it outside the front door? danger is, you will then not have it
:41:52. > :41:57.sorted out. What annoys people is they are trying to recycle, and most
:41:57. > :42:02.people will do it, somewhere down the line, people do not care, and
:42:02. > :42:06.the system is a con. That is a threat to the recycling system that
:42:06. > :42:13.we need to have. We need to make sure the system works from the
:42:13. > :42:17.kitchen sink right through to the recycling plant. If we look at the
:42:17. > :42:22.south-east, we have ten different systems. Some councils take plastic,
:42:23. > :42:28.some people take paper, some places you have to sort it out, would it
:42:28. > :42:33.not be better if the entire country did the same thing? Yes, but you
:42:33. > :42:38.have different needs and quantities arising in the rubbish stream in
:42:39. > :42:46.different areas. If you had a scheme to suit Maidstone, it not suit
:42:46. > :42:50.Southampton. The way that the structure is put out, each council
:42:50. > :43:00.has a responsibility to negotiate their referees to dispose and the
:43:00. > :43:03.best deal. -- they're rubbish disposal. We need to look at the
:43:03. > :43:10.secondary use for recyclable materials. We should try to maybe
:43:10. > :43:16.make fleeces out of... Yes, sure, that is something we need to do, but
:43:16. > :43:21.firstly, you need people to be allowed to recycle. In my area we
:43:21. > :43:26.are just introducing a new recycling service which will be comprehensive
:43:26. > :43:31.for the first time. If they are about to bring in a new system,
:43:31. > :43:34.let's hope it is better than the new system in Canterbury!
:43:34. > :43:37.City of Culture 2017. It's an impressive sounding title and
:43:37. > :43:40.there's 11 areas bidding to claim the crown, including Hastings and
:43:40. > :43:43.East Kent. The shortlist will be announced next week, but should we
:43:43. > :43:46.be hoping the South East bids get through? The winning city will have
:43:46. > :43:52.to raise finance for the project at a time when resources are already
:43:52. > :43:58.severely squeezed. Lucinda Adam reports.
:43:58. > :44:02.Through traditional British seaside. Centuries of local fishing
:44:02. > :44:07.heritage and shiny new art galleries. Is it a winning
:44:07. > :44:14.combination that could make East Kent or Hastings the next UK City of
:44:14. > :44:16.Culture. Hastings alone is spending half �1 million on its bid, but how
:44:16. > :44:26.much has this year 's City of Culture benefited? We ask the people
:44:26. > :44:28.
:44:28. > :44:35.of Hastings if they know where it is? No! No! Is at Birmingham?
:44:35. > :44:42.Northern Ireland, somewhere, I cannot remember the name. The winner
:44:42. > :44:49.of the first UK capital of culture is Derry Londonderry. The year began
:44:49. > :44:54.with much enthusiasm, but organisers admit that income from ticket sales
:44:54. > :45:04.is just 7% of their target so far. Less than one fifth of sponsorship
:45:04. > :45:06.
:45:06. > :45:12.has been raised. They have a shortfall in the budget of �600,000.
:45:12. > :45:17.It is a whole year of the Trinity, we had a short lead in time. We got
:45:17. > :45:25.money quite late. We had to put a programme together in nine months,
:45:25. > :45:29.effectively. It is a huge task, you need a lot of people and a lot of
:45:29. > :45:34.resources. In the current climate, it has been difficult to raise
:45:34. > :45:39.private money. Everybody has found this. Food for thought for
:45:39. > :45:43.politicians in the south-east. Hastings is proposing a budget of
:45:43. > :45:47.�15 million from taxpayers money, private sponsorship and projected
:45:47. > :45:54.income. If Hastings is successful, organisers hope that this area would
:45:54. > :45:59.be the focus point for a hive of cultural activity. But the highlight
:45:59. > :46:05.of the bid doesn't start here, but in Yorkshire, with plans to recreate
:46:05. > :46:12.King Harald's march to the Battle of Hastings with cultural and sporting
:46:12. > :46:22.activities on the way. In 2008, Liverpool had extraordinary success
:46:22. > :46:23.
:46:23. > :46:28.as the European city of culture. They generated millions of pounds
:46:28. > :46:32.for the local economy. The following year, the Labour government created
:46:32. > :46:38.a UK version. There could be benefits worth ten times the money
:46:38. > :46:48.putting in Hastings, but experts warn that it was down to a unique
:46:48. > :46:49.
:46:49. > :46:53.cultural heritage and decades of underinvestment. You can put money
:46:53. > :47:03.in and get lots of money back and build ambitious programmes. There
:47:03. > :47:08.
:47:08. > :47:14.out to Derry, but they have not renewed their bid time around. The
:47:14. > :47:24.council has said that benefits of bidding would be outweighed by the
:47:24. > :47:31.
:47:31. > :47:35.opportunity cost that this money might have been spent elsewhere. In
:47:35. > :47:41.the current climate, that could have been some end on care for the
:47:41. > :47:45.elderly, school programmes. There is also the risk to do with the
:47:45. > :47:50.judgement is you make about culture. The idea that a particular
:47:50. > :47:53.culture that might attract tourism needs �15 million spent on it as
:47:53. > :47:59.opposed to a cultural activity that might only interest the local
:47:59. > :48:09.population. This is a big political question that often goes on and
:48:09. > :48:12.
:48:12. > :48:18.asked as well as unanswered. There are questions about if the bid can
:48:18. > :48:28.be delivered. It will all be about the quality of the people putting
:48:28. > :48:33.the bits together. Is there enough confidence to do it. Well the
:48:33. > :48:38.promise of culture led economic and social benefits be worth the risk of
:48:38. > :48:44.multi-million pound budgets? -- with a promise?
:48:44. > :48:51.We are joined by Sarah Owen, that backdrop behind you, that is
:48:51. > :48:55.probably the best bid for the UK City of Culture! It shows one of our
:48:55. > :48:59.iconic buildings where the language and legal system started. If you
:48:59. > :49:07.want to talk about the birthplace of English culture, then start in
:49:07. > :49:14.Hastings! Value for money, is this a financially good idea? Can Hastings
:49:14. > :49:18.sustain this in the current economic climate? Yes, we can, also the row
:49:18. > :49:27.is the projection for how much we would benefit on visitor economy
:49:27. > :49:33.alone. We have been looking at a 10% increase. That is what businesses
:49:33. > :49:38.and the tourist industry and the arts and culture society are crying
:49:38. > :49:46.out for here. This is an opportunity to show the UK what the area is all
:49:46. > :49:51.about. There have been warnings not to be unrealistic, do you have a
:49:51. > :49:56.figure for every pound that is invested, what you hope to get back?
:49:56. > :50:00.There is a 10% increase, that is fairly conservative, that was based
:50:00. > :50:05.on the Derry Londonderry figures. The people in Londonderry have said
:50:05. > :50:09.they are very proud of what happened there for the UK City of Culture,
:50:09. > :50:13.and it has transformed to read they live in terms of regeneration. Also
:50:13. > :50:18.in terms of aspiration for young people which is desperately needed
:50:18. > :50:21.here. We have not spoken about the links with the arts and culture
:50:21. > :50:24.societies and with local schoolchildren also. You are not
:50:25. > :50:29.considered high up in the running at the moment, forgive me, I do not
:50:29. > :50:36.know which accuses drawing it up, but if you are out of the running,
:50:36. > :50:41.how much of that �500,000 would have been spent and to be fair wasted?
:50:41. > :50:45.The odds for us have been very low until recently, and we have snuck
:50:45. > :50:51.in, but we are very used to punching above our weight in Hastings, but
:50:51. > :50:56.nobody will just hand us this cultural bid on a plate, we have to
:50:56. > :51:01.fight and argue for it. Now we have got right coming through at its
:51:01. > :51:07.cultural history coming to support us. We have a very strong case for
:51:07. > :51:10.winning. If you get it, what would be your measure of success, because
:51:10. > :51:17.it looks like Derry Londonderry is struggling, what would be your
:51:17. > :51:22.measure of success? If you look at the Londonderry bed, lonely planet
:51:22. > :51:26.have listed them the fourth best city in the world to visit, that is
:51:26. > :51:32.above places like Montreal, so there is no reason we shouldn't say places
:51:32. > :51:40.like that about are living! They said that about Margate recently.
:51:40. > :51:47.Damien, IU backing this? Yes, it is a different kind of bid in East
:51:47. > :51:51.Kent, it is including some of the most iconic and famous visitor
:51:51. > :51:57.attractions in Britain, Canterbury Cathedral, the White Cliffs of
:51:57. > :52:01.Dover, but by spreading it across a number of areas, we are establishing
:52:02. > :52:07.an identity for Kent were historic people first arrived in this
:52:07. > :52:12.country. A lot of people travelled through here. It has a unique
:52:12. > :52:17.appeal. If we look at the budget, we are trying to get to grips with the
:52:17. > :52:26.budget of East Kent, they will not tell us, at least they are being
:52:26. > :52:32.upfront in Rye? Everyone is around the same sort of numbers. It would
:52:32. > :52:38.be spread over a number of communities. Labour suggest that
:52:38. > :52:48.there will be a reduction in the ground, can they justify �500,000 on
:52:48. > :52:49.
:52:49. > :52:56.this? We cannot be too peasant mystic about this, people said, can
:52:56. > :52:58.we afford it, it is a recession, if we look at the Olympics, that was in
:52:58. > :53:04.a recession, it has been the best thing that has happened for years.
:53:05. > :53:14.If we look at Derry Londonderry, this is the first time it has been
:53:15. > :53:15.
:53:15. > :53:25.looked at across the world without the trouble being attached to it.
:53:25. > :53:31.need some money for fun! I will support both bid! We have to face
:53:31. > :53:36.facts, the Hastings bid is looking for �4.6 million from the arts
:53:36. > :53:46.Council. This is the same council that has had its funding cut over
:53:46. > :53:52.30% and over the next two years, it will be cut by �11 million. Is this
:53:52. > :53:58.realistic, if the funding is being cut, it is a waste of time. It is
:53:58. > :54:04.not just the arts Council, it is warts England, and funding is being
:54:04. > :54:09.cut to those, but we are realistic, we have got partners on board, we
:54:09. > :54:13.have private investors, and slightly Londonderry bed, they had a short
:54:13. > :54:19.lead-in time. We have got time to else the reserves and we have got
:54:19. > :54:28.the support of the local media. They know they will bring jobs and
:54:28. > :54:34.growth. If you asked the local community if they would rather spend
:54:34. > :54:39.�94 million on a link road or get money for this, I know what they
:54:39. > :54:49.will go for, they will go for the culture bed. I am sure we will have
:54:49. > :54:49.
:54:49. > :54:52.the link road back on the agenda Kent County Council is spending a
:54:52. > :54:55.million pounds a year to look after unaccompanied young asylum seekers
:54:55. > :54:58.who are waiting to be deported. A parliamentary Human Rights committee
:54:58. > :55:01.says councils should be fully funded by the government to carry out these
:55:02. > :55:05.duties. Kent says it's time for the government to act.
:55:05. > :55:09.The children's act says that we should continue to support these
:55:09. > :55:15.people, the Home Office says they should be destitute. The Home Office
:55:15. > :55:20.should give us the money to support these young people. What do you say
:55:20. > :55:27.to Paul Carter, he once a decision, he has been waiting for quite some
:55:27. > :55:37.time. -- he once a decision. Home Office pays for those that have
:55:37. > :55:39.
:55:39. > :55:46.the right to be in this country. It does not pay for people do not have
:55:46. > :55:51.the right to be in this country. Kent County Council does not have a
:55:51. > :55:55.legal duty to support these people. It is what Kent County Council says.
:55:55. > :56:00.When I had a meeting with Kent County Council, they said they would
:56:00. > :56:04.provide their legal advice. 18 months on, they have not provided
:56:04. > :56:11.this legal advice and Home Office lawyers say it is not true. As a
:56:11. > :56:15.council taxpayer, I do not want my money paid into this. Human rights
:56:15. > :56:19.agrees with Paul Carter, is it not just time you got on with it and
:56:19. > :56:23.gave them the money they deserve, whether it is from the Home Office
:56:23. > :56:26.or the Department of education as the committee suggests.
:56:26. > :56:29.committee says the Department of education should pay a bigger role,
:56:29. > :56:35.and people that have no rights to be in this country should be returned
:56:36. > :56:39.home, but... Your colleague Gordon Henderson is currently backing the
:56:39. > :56:43.bid of an 18-year-old who lives in Sittingbourne to stay in this
:56:43. > :56:49.country, he is having his appeal heard, he was held in a detention
:56:49. > :56:53.centre. If the completely off message? He is one of your own MPs.
:56:53. > :57:00.If you're still having the appeal heard. He has already been
:57:00. > :57:04.rejected. But he is appealing. The legal process takes a long time.
:57:04. > :57:08.Those that have the rights to stay in this country, fine, we should
:57:08. > :57:13.spend money integrating them, and we do that, but if they do not have the
:57:14. > :57:19.right to be here, then we should send them home. One of the things
:57:19. > :57:24.that has happened, particularly with Kent, a few years ago, this dispute
:57:24. > :57:26.was about �5 million. What has happened is, we have far fewer
:57:26. > :57:32.unaccompanied asylum seeking children trying to come to this
:57:32. > :57:36.country than we used to, and that is one of the issues. There is a
:57:36. > :57:39.geographical reality for Kent, it is the first port of call for
:57:39. > :57:43.immigrants, legal or otherwise, Damien says he does not want
:57:44. > :57:50.taxpayers money spent on this, when people talk about the burden, is
:57:50. > :57:53.that a legitimate concern or closet racism? I prefer to look at it as
:57:53. > :57:55.Kent is nearest to the channel, and I preferred to look at the
:57:55. > :58:00.recommendations of the committee which was that the government should
:58:01. > :58:07.centrally fund the payment, the expenses of the young people that
:58:07. > :58:13.are awaiting appeal and that is entirely right. They are also
:58:13. > :58:18.calling for a much more child focused strategy and a government
:58:18. > :58:22.strategy. This feeds into public perception of immigration, I will
:58:22. > :58:29.read a quote from Charlie Elphick for Dover and steel, morally wrong
:58:29. > :58:32.to bring people in to do the work our own countrymen can do. It is bad
:58:32. > :58:39.for the economy, bad for the taxpayer and bad for my
:58:39. > :58:48.constituency, all immigration? just wrong. Izzy? He is attracting
:58:48. > :58:52.people that will vote for UKIP in the next election! We have inherited
:58:52. > :59:02.a system where roughly a quarter of a million people a year net came to
:59:02. > :59:04.
:59:04. > :59:07.this country. We have brought that and to tens of thousands, it is down
:59:07. > :59:15.to 150,000 a year already. Is all immigration bad? Not all immigration
:59:15. > :59:20.is bad. The trouble is, if voters agree with UKIP, then you asked
:59:20. > :59:26.after the next election! UKIP is a cross between fantasy and
:59:26. > :59:31.identifying a scapegoat. People are quite right... That is very
:59:31. > :59:35.insulting to the many people that voted UKIP at the last elections.
:59:35. > :59:42.The people that voted UKIP are looking at what UKIP are saying and
:59:42. > :59:45.I reading the right wing tabloids, they are reading the myths about the
:59:45. > :59:51.numbers of Romanians that will come to this country, it is not based on
:59:51. > :59:57.fact. What will your policy be? In your nutshell, a few sentences for
:59:57. > :00:02.the next election on immigration that are true and are distinct from
:00:02. > :00:06.UKIP? We are distinct from UKIP because we say that highly skilled
:00:06. > :00:10.immigration, people with specific skills to benefit this country, they
:00:10. > :00:14.are welcome in this country. We cannot have the system inherited
:00:14. > :00:17.from the Labour government of mass immigration of all kinds. That is
:00:17. > :00:21.what we have been reducing very stringently in this parliament and
:00:21. > :00:26.will carry on doing so under a Conservative government. You might
:00:26. > :00:33.need to have a word with Charlie Elphick!
:00:34. > :00:36.Time for a round-up now with the latest in politics in the area.
:00:37. > :00:43.Leader of the airport commission sir Howard Davies came into Medway this
:00:43. > :00:47.week for arguments for and against a Thames Street airport, but will the
:00:48. > :00:51.plan ever take off? It has given us a better picture of the nature of
:00:51. > :00:57.the challenge of putting a new airport in this area. The lights
:00:57. > :01:01.could be going out in Kent, the council are proposing to turn off
:01:01. > :01:08.70,000 streetlights overnight to save money and cut emissions.
:01:08. > :01:12.A boat capsised in the Dover Strait this week, following a dramatic
:01:12. > :01:17.rescue, ten people were arrested on suspicion of people smuggling. Local
:01:17. > :01:20.MP Charlie Elphick says that evil smuggling must be stopped. And
:01:21. > :01:27.Caroline Lucas was ironically told to cover up because her T-shirt
:01:27. > :01:32.broke the West Minster dress code. She carried on regardless. This is
:01:32. > :01:37.thought to be inappropriate to be wearing in this house, but it is
:01:38. > :01:47.appropriate for this kind of newspaper to be available to buy Ex
:01:48. > :01:51.
:01:51. > :02:01.to buy Ex to buy! She is saying what is common sense, we should not
:02:01. > :02:03.
:02:03. > :02:11.identify and objectify women on page three, this is just... ! It is
:02:11. > :02:16.generally women on page three! Not people! The serious point is, that's
:02:16. > :02:25.little extract showing the dress code of Parliament actually being
:02:25. > :02:30.enforced. What is the point? ! was a great stunt. You do not want
:02:30. > :02:35.MPs turning into slogan boards, because of somebody gets away with
:02:35. > :02:39.it, everyone will be doing it. Caroline Lucas says the tendency to
:02:39. > :02:44.view women as objects leads to and acceptance of aggressive attitudes
:02:44. > :02:48.and behaviour, aggressive attitude and behaviour as the norm, you are
:02:49. > :02:53.the Minister for criminal Justice, do you agree? There are serious
:02:53. > :03:01.issues about things you can see on the Internet. Page three is a