19/03/2017

:00:34. > :00:36.It's Sunday morning and this is the Sunday Politics.

:00:37. > :00:40.She faces huge political fights over Brexit, Scottish independence,

:00:41. > :00:53.After a tumultuous political week, we'll analyse the PM's prospects.

:00:54. > :00:55.With chatter increasing about a possible early General Election,

:00:56. > :01:00.Jeremy Corbyn's campaign chief joins me live.

:01:01. > :01:03.NHS bosses warn health services in England are facing "mission

:01:04. > :01:07.impossible" and waiting times for operations will rocket,

:01:08. > :01:10.unless hospitals are given more cash this year.

:01:11. > :01:15.The chief executive of NHS Providers joins me live.

:01:16. > :01:17.And in the south-east, has the arrival of Uber in Sussex

:01:18. > :01:19.driven a coach and horses through local licensing

:01:20. > :01:35.All that to come before 12:15pm, and I'll also be talking

:01:36. > :01:38.to the former leader of the Liberal Democrats Nick Clegg

:01:39. > :01:40.from his party's spring conference in York.

:01:41. > :01:45.With me here in the studio, throughout the programme,

:01:46. > :01:47.three of the country's top political commentators:

:01:48. > :01:53.Tom Newton Dunn, Isabel Oakeshott and Steve Richards.

:01:54. > :01:54.They'll be tweeting their thoughts using #bbcsp.

:01:55. > :01:57.So, the political challenges facing Theresa May are stacking up.

:01:58. > :02:03.As well as negotiating Britain's exit from the EU,

:02:04. > :02:06.the PM must now deal with SNP demands for a second referendum

:02:07. > :02:11.on Scottish independence, backbenchers agitating against cuts

:02:12. > :02:14.to school budgets, and a humiliated Chancellor forced to u-turn on a key

:02:15. > :02:19.budget measure just one week after announcing it.

:02:20. > :02:20.Here's Adam Fleming on aturbulent political week

:02:21. > :02:38.Monday, 11:30am, TV crews gather in the residence of the First

:02:39. > :02:39.Minister of Scotland, who's got a surprise.

:02:40. > :02:42.She wants a vote on whether Scotland should leave the UK

:02:43. > :02:46.By taking the steps I have set out today I am ensuring that Scotland's

:02:47. > :02:49.future will be decided, not just by me, the

:02:50. > :02:50.Scottish Government, or the

:02:51. > :02:52.SNP, it will be decided by the people of Scotland.

:02:53. > :03:02.Westminster, 6:25pm the same day, MPs reject

:03:03. > :03:06.amendments to the legislation authorising the Prime Minister to

:03:07. > :03:20.The Bill ceremonially heads to the Lords where peers abandoned

:03:21. > :03:21.attempts to change it and it becomes law.

:03:22. > :03:28.But Downing Street doesn't trigger Article 50 as many had expected.

:03:29. > :03:31.Some say they were spooked by Nicola Sturgeon.

:03:32. > :03:47.We get an e-mail from the Treasury can the

:03:48. > :03:49.We get an e-mail from the Treasury cancelling

:03:50. > :04:00.the planned rise in National Insurance for

:04:01. > :04:02.the self-employed announced the budget.

:04:03. > :04:04.It's just minutes before Prime Minister's Questions at noon.

:04:05. > :04:06.The trend towards greater self-employment does create a

:04:07. > :04:09.We will bring forward further proposals

:04:10. > :04:12.but we will not bring forward increases to NICs later in this

:04:13. > :04:16.It seems to me like a government in a bit of chaos here.

:04:17. > :04:18.By making this change today we are listening to our colleagues

:04:19. > :04:22.fulfil both the letter and the spirit of our manifesto tax

:04:23. > :04:32.Thursday, 7am, Conservative campaign HQ and the

:04:33. > :04:34.Electoral Commission fines the party ?70,000 for misreporting spending

:04:35. > :04:37.But that's not what the Prime Minister

:04:38. > :04:43.Because at 12:19pm she gives her verdict on a

:04:44. > :04:48.We should be working together, not pulling apart.

:04:49. > :04:50.We should be working together to get that

:04:51. > :04:51.right deal for Scotland, that

:04:52. > :04:56.So, as I say, that's my job as Prime Minister and

:04:57. > :05:00.so for that reason I say to the SNP now is not the time.

:05:01. > :05:02.Friday and time for the faithful to gather.

:05:03. > :05:03.SNP activists at their spring conference

:05:04. > :05:14.Conservatives in Cardiff to hear the Prime Minister

:05:15. > :05:18.promote her plan for a more meritocratic Brexit Britain.

:05:19. > :05:20.At 11:10am comes some news about a newspaper that's frankly

:05:21. > :05:27.I'm thrilled and excited to be the new editor of The

:05:28. > :05:29.Evening Standard and, you know, with so many

:05:30. > :05:30.big issues in our world what

:05:31. > :05:36.good analysis, great news journalism.

:05:37. > :05:41.It's a really important time for good journalism that The

:05:42. > :05:42.Evening Standard is going to provide.

:05:43. > :05:49.There was no let-up yesterday as Gordon Brown launched proposals

:05:50. > :05:54.Under my proposals we keep the Barnett

:05:55. > :05:58.Formula, we keep the fiscal transfers, but we also bring the

:05:59. > :06:02.and fisheries back to the Scottish Parliament.

:06:03. > :06:05.And just think, all this and we're still counting down to the

:06:06. > :06:23.What a week in politics. It has been a torrid week for the government,

:06:24. > :06:27.Isabel Oakeshott, but does Theresa May shake it off, or is this a sign

:06:28. > :06:30.of worse to come? We may all be feeling a bit breathless after the

:06:31. > :06:38.events of last week and we are in for a a long war of attrition with

:06:39. > :06:42.the SNP, Nicola Sturgeon's strategy will be to foster over lengthy

:06:43. > :06:47.periods of time as much resentment and anger as she can in Scotland and

:06:48. > :06:52.try to create the impression that independence is somehow inevitable.

:06:53. > :06:56.Is Scotland the biggest challenge for Theresa May in the next year or

:06:57. > :07:00.so? I think it probably is because if you look at how relatively easily

:07:01. > :07:04.the Brexit bill went through on an issue where people could hardly feel

:07:05. > :07:08.more passionate in the Commons, and actually despite all the potential

:07:09. > :07:11.drama it has gone through quite smoothly. To go back to your

:07:12. > :07:16.original question, she just carries on. Don't underestimate the basic

:07:17. > :07:20.quiet and will towards Theresa May amongst the majority of Tory

:07:21. > :07:24.backbenchers. Yes, there are difficult little issues over school

:07:25. > :07:28.funding, sorry, it's not a little issue, it is a big one but she will

:07:29. > :07:32.get over that and treat each thing as it comes and keep pressing on.

:07:33. > :07:37.Has she not called Nicola Sturgeon's Bluff in that the First Minister

:07:38. > :07:42.said I want a referendum, here is roughly when I wanted, the Prime

:07:43. > :07:46.Minister says you're not having one. What happens next? She has done

:07:47. > :07:51.quite well and impact the progress Theresa May made this week in

:07:52. > :07:54.frustrating Nicola Sturgeon was evident when Nicola Sturgeon said,

:07:55. > :07:58.OK, maybe we can talk about the timing after. Nicola Sturgeon has

:07:59. > :08:01.already been the first one to blink. I would slightly disagree with

:08:02. > :08:05.Isabel Oakeshott, I don't agree Scotland will be the biggest hurdle

:08:06. > :08:11.for her. What this week showed as is Theresa May... It was a reality

:08:12. > :08:14.bites week. Theresa May is juggling four mammoth crises at the same

:08:15. > :08:17.time, Brexit obviously which I still think will be the biggest challenge

:08:18. > :08:24.to get a good deal, Trump left field who popped up at GCHQ on Friday and

:08:25. > :08:30.Scotland and the fiscal challenge, this enormous great problem, and it

:08:31. > :08:35.reinforced the point this is not an easy time in politics. The budget is

:08:36. > :08:39.over four years. That was one small problem, the immediate problem is

:08:40. > :08:42.how to fill the social care crisis and the ageing demographic. This is

:08:43. > :08:45.not normal times in British politics and Theresa May does not have a

:08:46. > :08:50.normal workload on her plate, hence why I think we will see more

:08:51. > :08:55.mistakes made as time goes on and as she has this almost impossible

:08:56. > :08:58.workload to juggle. How tempted do you think the Prime Minister is to

:08:59. > :09:03.call an early election? There is more chatter about it now. Is she

:09:04. > :09:07.tempted and if there is will she succumb? I will answer that in a

:09:08. > :09:11.second as Harold Wilson used to say. I want to agree, disagree with the

:09:12. > :09:14.rest of the panel about how she has out manipulated Nicola Sturgeon this

:09:15. > :09:19.week. I think Nicola Sturgeon expected Theresa May to say no to

:09:20. > :09:23.her expected timetable. It would be amazing if she had said yes. She

:09:24. > :09:27.expected her to say no but Sturgeon catalyst that will fuel support for

:09:28. > :09:33.her cause. There is no sign of that. The latest poll this morning shows

:09:34. > :09:39.66-44 against independence and only 13% think they would be better off

:09:40. > :09:43.with an independent Scotland and a clear majority do not want a second

:09:44. > :09:46.referendum. But the calculation of resistance from Westminster combined

:09:47. > :09:49.with Brexit which hasn't started yet, I think this is her

:09:50. > :09:54.calculation, she didn't expect Theresa May to say, sure, go ahead,

:09:55. > :09:58.I'm sure she expected Theresa May to say no, you can't have it at your

:09:59. > :10:02.desired timetable. On the wider point, I think Theresa May is in a

:10:03. > :10:06.fascinating position, she is both strong because she faces weak

:10:07. > :10:11.opposition and is ahead in the opinion polls. But faces the most

:10:12. > :10:15.daunting agenda of any Prime Minister for 40 or 50 years, I

:10:16. > :10:19.think. So it's a weird combination. I don't think she wants to call an

:10:20. > :10:22.election. I don't think she has thought about how you would

:10:23. > :10:26.manipulate it, what the trigger would be, and whether she's got the

:10:27. > :10:32.energy and space to prepare for and then mount a campaign was beginning

:10:33. > :10:37.the Brexit negotiation. Now, you could see the cause would be the

:10:38. > :10:40.small majorities that will make her life hellish, which it will do.

:10:41. > :10:44.Whether a landslide would help is another question, they can be

:10:45. > :10:49.difficult too. But I think the problems outweigh the advantages of

:10:50. > :10:52.going early. Do you think she would go for an early election? I don't

:10:53. > :10:56.and I think you have to look at the rhetoric coming out of No 10 which

:10:57. > :10:59.is so firm on this question, it is a delicious prospect for us as

:11:00. > :11:02.commentators to think there might be an election around the corner but

:11:03. > :11:07.they are so firm on this I can't see it happening. I agree, we are in

:11:08. > :11:09.unanimous agreement on this one. It is superficially attractive because

:11:10. > :11:13.she would love the big majority and she would get a lot more through

:11:14. > :11:17.Parliament especially with Brexit. The nitty-gritty of it makes an

:11:18. > :11:21.early General Election this year almost impossible. How do you write

:11:22. > :11:26.a manifesto on high Brexit versus soft Brexit, it opens up a Pandora's

:11:27. > :11:30.box of uncertainties. And there is enough with the European elections.

:11:31. > :11:34.The EU will say are we negotiating with you or the person who may

:11:35. > :11:38.replace you? How do you keep the Tory party united going to an

:11:39. > :11:42.election? How do you call one, with a vote of no confidence in yourself

:11:43. > :11:43.you may end up losing. Easy on paper but difficult in practice. We shall

:11:44. > :11:45.see. So if Theresa May did go

:11:46. > :11:48.for an early election this spring, The party's campaigns

:11:49. > :11:58.and elections chief Andrew Gwynne Andrew Gwynne, the government, as we

:11:59. > :12:01.have just been talking about, executed one of the most

:12:02. > :12:05.embarrassing U-turns in recent history this week. It has been a

:12:06. > :12:08.torrid time for the Theresa May government. Why are the Tories still

:12:09. > :12:13.so chipper? The Labour Party has been on an

:12:14. > :12:16.early election footing since before Christmas and we are preparing

:12:17. > :12:20.ourselves for that eventuality in case that does come. That means that

:12:21. > :12:25.we've got to get ourselves into a position whereby we can not only

:12:26. > :12:31.challenge the government but we can also offer a valuable alternative

:12:32. > :12:37.for the British people to choose from should that election arise. So,

:12:38. > :12:40.would you welcome an early General Election? Well, of course, I don't

:12:41. > :12:43.want this government to be in power so of course if there is an

:12:44. > :12:47.opportunity to put a case to the British people as to why there is a

:12:48. > :12:52.better way, and I believe the Labour way is the better way than of course

:12:53. > :12:57.we would want to put that case to the country. So, would Labour vote

:12:58. > :13:01.in the Commons for an early election? Well, of course as an

:13:02. > :13:05.opposition, not wanting to be in opposition, wanting to be in

:13:06. > :13:09.government should the government put forward a measure in accordance with

:13:10. > :13:13.the Fixed-term Parliaments Act then that's something we would very

:13:14. > :13:17.seriously have to consider. I know you would have to consider it but

:13:18. > :13:21.would you vote for an early election or not? Well, of course we want to

:13:22. > :13:24.be the government so if the current government puts forward measures to

:13:25. > :13:28.bring forward a General Election we would want to put our case to the

:13:29. > :13:33.British public and that's one of the jobs that I've been given, together

:13:34. > :13:37.Labour Party organisation early into a position where we can fight a

:13:38. > :13:41.General Election -- organisationally. For the avoidance

:13:42. > :13:45.of doubt, if the Government work to issue a motion in the Commons for an

:13:46. > :13:49.early election, the Labour Party would vote for an early election?

:13:50. > :13:53.It would be very difficult not, Andrew. If the Government wants to

:13:54. > :13:56.dissolve parliament, wants a General Election, we don't want the Tories

:13:57. > :14:01.in government, we want to be in government and we want to have that

:14:02. > :14:03.opportunity to put that case to the British people.

:14:04. > :14:12.Are you ready for an early election? You say you have been on a war all

:14:13. > :14:14.but since the Labour conference last autumn, but are you ready for one?

:14:15. > :14:18.How big is the election fighting fund? We have substantial amounts of

:14:19. > :14:22.money in our fighting fund, that is true, because not only has the

:14:23. > :14:27.Labour Party managed to eliminate its own financial deficit that it

:14:28. > :14:35.inherited from previous election campaigns, we have also managed to

:14:36. > :14:40.build up a substantial fund in the off chance we have an election. We

:14:41. > :14:44.have also expanded massively operations at Labour HQ, we are

:14:45. > :14:48.taking on additional staff, and one of the jobs that myself and Ian

:14:49. > :14:51.Lavery who I job share with are currently doing is to go around the

:14:52. > :14:55.Parliamentary Labour Party to make sure that Labour colleagues have the

:14:56. > :14:59.support and the resources that they need, should they have to face the

:15:00. > :15:03.electorate in their constituencies. So you are on a war footing, ready

:15:04. > :15:07.for the fight, you say you would vote for the fight, so have you got

:15:08. > :15:12.your tax and spend policies ready to roll out? That is something the

:15:13. > :15:17.shadow Treasury team will be discussing. One of the things is, if

:15:18. > :15:20.there is an early General Election, the normal timetable for these

:15:21. > :15:25.things gets fast-track because our policy decision-making body, its

:15:26. > :15:30.annual conference, we have the national policy forum that creates

:15:31. > :15:33.policies suggestions. You have been on a war footing since the last

:15:34. > :15:37.Labour conference, that is what Mr Corbyn told us. So you must have a

:15:38. > :15:42.fair idea of what policies you would fight an early election on. How much

:15:43. > :15:46.extra per year would you spend on the NHS? Well, look, I'm not going

:15:47. > :15:50.to set out the Labour manifesto for an election that hasn't been called.

:15:51. > :15:55.I'm just asking you about the NHS. You must have a policy for that. We

:15:56. > :16:01.have a policy for the NHS. So how much extra? I will not set out

:16:02. > :16:04.Labour's tax-and-spend policies here on The Sunday Politics when there

:16:05. > :16:08.hasn't even been election called. You said you had been on a war

:16:09. > :16:14.footing and you are prepared to vote for one, so if you can't Tommy that,

:16:15. > :16:19.can you tell me what the corporation rate tax on company profits be under

:16:20. > :16:25.a Labour government -- tell me that. You will have to be patient. I have.

:16:26. > :16:28.And wait for Mrs May to trigger an early election. If there is an

:16:29. > :16:33.election on the 4th of May the rich would have to be issued on the 27th

:16:34. > :16:38.of March, so that's not long to wait. If that date passes we aren't

:16:39. > :16:43.having an election on the 4th of May and the normal timetable for policy

:16:44. > :16:47.development will continue. All right. You lost Copeland, I think

:16:48. > :16:51.you were in charge of a by-election for Labour, your national poll

:16:52. > :16:56.ratings are still dire, even after week of terrible times for the

:16:57. > :17:00.Tories. Sometimes you even lose local government by-elections in

:17:01. > :17:04.safe seats, including in the place you are now, in Salford. How long

:17:05. > :17:09.does Mr Corbyn have to turn this around? Well, look, the issue of the

:17:10. > :17:13.Labour leadership was settled last year. The last thing the Labour

:17:14. > :17:17.Party now needs is another period of introspection with the Labour Party

:17:18. > :17:23.merely talks to the Labour Party. We are now on an election footing in

:17:24. > :17:29.case Mrs May does trigger an early General Election. We need to be

:17:30. > :17:33.talking to the British people are not to ourselves. So any speculation

:17:34. > :17:37.about the Labour leadership might excite you in the media but actually

:17:38. > :17:40.for us in the Labour Party it's about re-engaging and reconnecting

:17:41. > :17:44.with the voters. Rather than being excited, I feel quite daunted at the

:17:45. > :17:50.prospect of an early election. So I wouldn't get that right. Normally,

:17:51. > :17:54.given the number of mistakes this government has made, and its

:17:55. > :17:58.mid-term, you would expect any self-respecting opposition to be

:17:59. > :18:04.about ten points ahead. On the latest polls this morning you are 17

:18:05. > :18:08.behind. There is a 27-30 point gap from where you should normally be as

:18:09. > :18:11.an opposition. Are you telling me that if that doesn't change, you

:18:12. > :18:17.still fight the General Election with Mr Corbyn?

:18:18. > :18:25.These are matters for the future. I believe the leadership issue was

:18:26. > :18:29.settled last year. We have had two leadership contest in two years.

:18:30. > :18:33.Would you seriously contemplate going into the next election, if it

:18:34. > :18:39.is early I perfectly understand Jeremy Corbyn is your man, but if it

:18:40. > :18:43.is not until 2020, and you are still 17 points behind in the polls, will

:18:44. > :18:47.you go into the next election like that? There is a lot of future

:18:48. > :18:57.looking and speculation there, I don't know what the future holds,

:18:58. > :18:59.where the Labour Party will be in 12 months let alone by 2020 summit

:19:00. > :19:02.cross those bridges when we come to it. My main challenge is to make

:19:03. > :19:05.sure the Labour Party is in the best possible place organisationally to

:19:06. > :19:08.fight an election, that's my challenge and I'm up for that to

:19:09. > :19:15.make sure we are in the best possible place to make sure Labour

:19:16. > :19:21.returns as many Labour MPs as possible. Thank you for joining us.

:19:22. > :19:23.And we're joined now from the Liberal Democrats' spring

:19:24. > :19:25.conference in York by the former Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg.

:19:26. > :19:34.Good morning. In his conference speech today, Tim Farron lumps

:19:35. > :19:39.Theresa May with Vladimir Putin, Marine Le Pen and Donald Trump. In

:19:40. > :19:48.what way is Mrs May similar to Marine Le Pen? Of course he is not

:19:49. > :19:53.saying Theresa May is identical to Marine Le Pen, I think what Tim

:19:54. > :19:57.Wilby spelling out shortly in his speech is that we need to be aware

:19:58. > :20:04.what's going on in the world, the International settlement that was

:20:05. > :20:10.arrived at after the First World -- Second World War, that bound

:20:11. > :20:15.supranational organisations is under attack from characters as diverse as

:20:16. > :20:19.Vladimir Putin, Marine Le Pen and Donald Trump, and that by side in so

:20:20. > :20:23.ostentatiously with Donald Trump and pursuing this very hard Brexit,

:20:24. > :20:28.Theresa May appears to be giving succour to that much more

:20:29. > :20:32.isolationist chauvinist view of the world than the multilateral approach

:20:33. > :20:38.that Britain has subscribed to for a long time. The exact words he plans

:20:39. > :20:46.to use are welcome to the New World order, Vladimir Putin, Donald Trump,

:20:47. > :20:52.Marine Le Pen, Theresa May, aggressive and teenage to, anti-EU,

:20:53. > :20:56.nationalistic. In what way is Mrs May fitting into any of that? In

:20:57. > :21:02.what way is she similar to Vladimir Putin? I'm not aware she has

:21:03. > :21:07.interfered with other people's elections. The clue is in the quote

:21:08. > :21:12.you just read out, which is the world order. The world order over

:21:13. > :21:16.the last half century or more, by the way a lesson I'm afraid we have

:21:17. > :21:21.to learn in Europe because of the terrible bloodshed of two world was

:21:22. > :21:26.in the space of a few decades, was based on the idea might is not

:21:27. > :21:32.right. Strong arm leaders cannot throw their weight around. What we

:21:33. > :21:38.have now with Putin, the populism across parts of Europe and Donald

:21:39. > :21:43.Trump who thinks the EU will unravel is a shift to a radically different

:21:44. > :21:49.view of the world. Mrs May doesn't think any of that. She is not

:21:50. > :21:55.antenatal, not anti-EU, she says she wants the EU to succeed. She's not

:21:56. > :21:58.aggressive as far as I'm aware so I'm not sure why you would lump the

:21:59. > :22:05.British Prime Minister in with these other characters. Let me explain, by

:22:06. > :22:13.choosing this uncompromising approach to Brexit, clearly in doing

:22:14. > :22:17.so she, in my view, maybe not yours or others, is pursuing a self

:22:18. > :22:20.harming approach to the United Kingdom but also pulling up the

:22:21. > :22:25.threads that bind the rest of the European Union together, in so

:22:26. > :22:30.ostentatiously siding with Donald Trump, somehow declaring in my view

:22:31. > :22:39.speciously that we can make up with the trade we will lose, she's not

:22:40. > :22:44.challenging the shift to a more chauvinist approach to world affairs

:22:45. > :22:48.that is happening in many places. You are at your party's Spring

:22:49. > :22:53.conference, I think we can agree any Lib Dem come back will take a long

:22:54. > :22:58.time. Would Tory dominance be more effectively challenged by a

:22:59. > :23:03.realignment of the centre and the centre-left? Are you working towards

:23:04. > :23:10.that? I missed half the question but I think you are talking about a

:23:11. > :23:14.realignment. As a cook a way to get over Tory dominance, would you want

:23:15. > :23:20.that to happen? Are you working towards that? My view is the

:23:21. > :23:24.recovery of the Lib Dems will be quicker than you suggest. People

:23:25. > :23:28.often forget that even the low point of our fortunes in the last election

:23:29. > :23:32.we still got a million more votes than the SNP, it's only because we

:23:33. > :23:41.have got this crazy electoral system... But the SNP fight in

:23:42. > :23:47.Scotland, you fight in the whole country! But I'm saying the way

:23:48. > :23:56.seats are allocated overlooks the fact that 2.5 million still voted

:23:57. > :24:00.for us. But my own view is of course there are people feeling

:24:01. > :24:03.increasingly homeless in the liberal wing of the Conservative Party

:24:04. > :24:07.because they are now in a party which is in effect indistinguishable

:24:08. > :24:14.from Ukip on some of the biggest issues of the day, and homeless folk

:24:15. > :24:18.on the rational, reasonable wing of the Labour Party. I would invite

:24:19. > :24:22.them to join the Liberal Democrats and I would invite everyone across

:24:23. > :24:27.parties to talk about the idea is that bind us because the Westminster

:24:28. > :24:31.village can invest a lot of energy building new castles in the sky,

:24:32. > :24:34.inventing new names for parties when actually what you want is for people

:24:35. > :24:46.on the progressive centre ground of British politics to talk about the

:24:47. > :24:51.ideas that unite them, from the dilemmas of artificial intelligence

:24:52. > :24:55.to climate change. Do you think in your own view, can Brexit still be

:24:56. > :25:04.thwarted or is it now a matter of getting the best terms? I think we

:25:05. > :25:08.are in an interlude, almost a calm between two storms, the storm of the

:25:09. > :25:12.referendum itself and the collision between the Government's stated

:25:13. > :25:16.ambitions for Brexit and the reality of having to negotiate something

:25:17. > :25:21.unworkable with 27 other governments. The one thing I can

:25:22. > :25:32.guarantee you is that what the Government has promised to the

:25:33. > :25:37.British people cannot happen. Over a slower period of time we will work

:25:38. > :25:41.out our new relationship with the European Union. Theresa May said she

:25:42. > :25:48.will settle divorce arrangements, and pensions, so one, negotiate new

:25:49. > :25:52.trade agreements, new climate change policies and so on, and have all of

:25:53. > :25:57.that ratified within two years, that will not happen so I think there

:25:58. > :26:02.will be a lot of turbulence in the next couple of years. Will you use

:26:03. > :26:09.this turbulence to try to thwart Brexit, to find a way of rolling

:26:10. > :26:13.back the decision? It's not about repeating the debates of the past or

:26:14. > :26:18.thwarting the will of the people but it is comparing what people were

:26:19. > :26:24.promised from the ?350 million for the NHS every week through to this

:26:25. > :26:28.glittering array of new trade agreements we will sign across the

:26:29. > :26:32.world, with the reality that will transpire in the next couple of

:26:33. > :26:36.years and at that point, yes it is my belief people should be able to

:26:37. > :26:41.take a second look at if that is what they really want. A couple of

:26:42. > :26:48.quick questions, would you welcome an early general election? I always

:26:49. > :26:55.welcome them, we couldn't do worse than we did last time. That is

:26:56. > :26:57.certainly true. You have a column in the Evening Standard, have you

:26:58. > :27:04.spoken to the new editor about whether he will keep your column or

:27:05. > :27:11.spike it? No, I wait in nervous anticipation. Can you be a newspaper

:27:12. > :27:19.editor in the morning and an MP in the afternoon? Do I think that's

:27:20. > :27:24.feasible? Sorry, I missed a bit. There is no prohibition, no law

:27:25. > :27:29.against MPs being editors. They have been in the past and no doubt will

:27:30. > :27:36.again in the future. He is taking a lot on, he is an editor, also

:27:37. > :27:40.wanting to be an MP, a jetsetting academic in the States, working in

:27:41. > :27:45.the city, I suspect something will give. It seems to me even by his

:27:46. > :27:51.self-confidence standards in his own abilities I suspect he is taking on

:27:52. > :27:54.a little bit too much. Very diplomatic, Mr Clegg, I'm sure you

:27:55. > :27:59.will get to keep the column. Thanks for joining us.

:28:00. > :28:01.Now, for the last six months England's NHS bosses have been

:28:02. > :28:04.warning the health service needs more money to help it meet

:28:05. > :28:07.But in his first Budget, the Chancellor offered

:28:08. > :28:09.no immediate relief, and today the head of

:28:10. > :28:11.the organisation representing England's NHS trusts says hundreds

:28:12. > :28:14.of thousands of patients will have to wait longer for both emergency

:28:15. > :28:15.care and planned operations, unless the Government

:28:16. > :28:23.Warnings over funding are not exactly new.

:28:24. > :28:26.Back in 2014 the head of the NHS in England, Simon Stevens,

:28:27. > :28:31.published his plan for the future of the health service.

:28:32. > :28:34.In his five-year forward view, Stevens said the NHS in England

:28:35. > :28:36.would face a funding shortfall of up to ?30 billion by 2020.

:28:37. > :28:40.To bridge that gap he said the NHS would need more money

:28:41. > :28:43.from the Government, at least ?8 billion extra,

:28:44. > :28:46.and that the health service could account for the rest by making

:28:47. > :28:53.The Government says it's given the health service more than what it

:28:54. > :28:56.asked for, and that NHS in England will have received

:28:57. > :29:01.That number is disputed by NHS managers and the chair

:29:02. > :29:03.of Parliament's health committee, who say the figure is more

:29:04. > :29:07.like ?4.5 billion, while other parts of the health and social care budget

:29:08. > :29:12.have been cut, putting pressure on the front line.

:29:13. > :29:16.Last year, two thirds of NHS trusts in England finished

:29:17. > :29:18.the year in the red, and despite emergency bailouts

:29:19. > :29:20.from the Government, the NHS is likely to record

:29:21. > :29:25.Meanwhile national targets on waiting times for A

:29:26. > :29:28.departments, diagnostic tests, and operations are being

:29:29. > :29:35.This month's Budget provided ?2 billion for social care

:29:36. > :29:39.but there was no new cash for the NHS, leading trusts to warn

:29:40. > :29:42.that patient care is beginning to suffer, and what is being asked

:29:43. > :29:48.And I'm joined now by the Chief Executive of NHS

:29:49. > :29:53.Providers in England, Chris Hopson.

:29:54. > :30:00.Welcome to the programme. Morning, Andrew. I will come onto the extra

:30:01. > :30:05.money you need to do your job properly in a minute but first, part

:30:06. > :30:08.of the deal was you had to make 22 billion in efficiency savings, not a

:30:09. > :30:14.bank that money but spend it on patient care, the front line, and so

:30:15. > :30:17.on. How is that going? So, last parliament we realised around 18

:30:18. > :30:20.billion of productivity and efficiency savings, we are realising

:30:21. > :30:24.more this year so we are on course to realise 3 billion this year, that

:30:25. > :30:29.is a quarter of a billion more than last year but all of us in the NHS

:30:30. > :30:33.knew the 22 billion would be a very stretching target and we are

:30:34. > :30:40.somewhat inevitably falling short. So it is 22 billion by 2,020.

:30:41. > :30:48.Roughly. That was the time. We are now into 2017. So how much of the 22

:30:49. > :30:53.billion have you achieved? We realised around 3 billion last year

:30:54. > :30:59.and we will realise 3 billion this year, Court of billion more, 3.25

:31:00. > :31:03.billion this year, so we are on course for 18-19,000,000,000. By the

:31:04. > :31:07.2021 period? You are not that far away. The problem is the degree to

:31:08. > :31:12.which demand is going up. We have record demand over the winter period

:31:13. > :31:16.and that actually meant we have seen more people than we have ever seen

:31:17. > :31:22.before but performance is still under real pressure. Let me come

:31:23. > :31:26.onto that. When you agreed on the 22 billion efficiency savings plus some

:31:27. > :31:30.extra money from the government, I know there is a bit of an argument

:31:31. > :31:35.about how much that is actually worth, had you not factored in this

:31:36. > :31:39.extra demand that you saw coming over the next three or four years?

:31:40. > :31:44.Let's be very clear committee referred to Simon Stevens's forward

:31:45. > :31:48.view and we signed up to it but the 22 billion was a process run at the

:31:49. > :31:51.centre of government by the Department of Health with its arms

:31:52. > :31:55.length bodies, NHS England and others and is not something that was

:31:56. > :31:59.consulted on with the NHS. But you signed up to it. We always said that

:32:00. > :32:05.the day that that Spending Review was announced, the idea that the NHS

:32:06. > :32:09.where customer demand goes up something like four or 5% every

:32:10. > :32:12.year, the idea that in the middle years of Parliament we would be able

:32:13. > :32:18.to provide the same level of service when we were only getting funding

:32:19. > :32:23.increases of 1.3%, 0.4% and 0.7%, and I can show you the press release

:32:24. > :32:27.we issued, we always said there was going to be a gap and that we would

:32:28. > :32:34.not be able to deliver what was required. The full 22 billion in

:32:35. > :32:36.other words? What we said to Simon Stevens at the Public Accounts

:32:37. > :32:42.Committee a few months ago, the NHS didn't get what it was asked for.

:32:43. > :32:49.Today the NHS, cope with the resources it has according to you.

:32:50. > :32:52.How much more does it need? Are reported is about 2017-18 and we

:32:53. > :32:56.estimate that what we are being asked to do, and again, Andrew, you

:32:57. > :33:01.clearly set it out in the package, we are a long way off the four-hour

:33:02. > :33:05.A target and a long way off the 92%. The waiting times and

:33:06. > :33:10.operations. How much more do you need? And we are making up a ?900

:33:11. > :33:15.million deficit. If you take all of those into account we estimate you

:33:16. > :33:19.would need an extra ?3.5 billion next year in order to deliver all of

:33:20. > :33:23.those targets and eliminate the deficit. That would be 3.5 billion

:33:24. > :33:27.on top of what is already planned next year and that would be 3.5

:33:28. > :33:30.billion repeated in the years to come too? Yes, Andrew it is

:33:31. > :33:36.important we should make an important distinction about the NHS

:33:37. > :33:40.versus other public services. When the last government, the last Labour

:33:41. > :33:44.government put extra money into the NHS it clearly said that in return

:33:45. > :33:48.for that it would establish some standards in the NHS Constitution,

:33:49. > :33:53.the 95% A target we have talked about and the 92% elective surgery

:33:54. > :33:57.we have talked about. The trust we represent are very clear, they would

:33:58. > :34:00.want to realise those standards, but you can only do it if you pay for

:34:01. > :34:05.it. The problem is at the moment is we are in the longest and deepest

:34:06. > :34:09.financial squeeze in NHS history. As we have said, funding is only going

:34:10. > :34:14.up by 1% per year but every year just to stand still cost and demand

:34:15. > :34:19.go up by more than 4%. There is clearly a demand for more money. I

:34:20. > :34:22.think people watching this programme will think probably the NHS is going

:34:23. > :34:27.to have to get more money to meet the goals you have been given. I

:34:28. > :34:32.think they would also like to be sure that your Mac running the NHS

:34:33. > :34:36.as efficiently as it could be. We read this morning that trusts have

:34:37. > :34:41.got ?100 million of empty properties that cost 10 million to maintain, 36

:34:42. > :34:46.office blocks are not being used, you have surplus land equivalent to

:34:47. > :34:51.1800 football pitches. Yes, there are a number of things that we know

:34:52. > :34:56.in the NHS we need to do better but let me remind you, Andrew, in the

:34:57. > :34:59.last Parliament we realised ?18 billion worth of cost improvement

:35:00. > :35:06.gains. We are going to realise another 3 billion this year, 0.25

:35:07. > :35:09.billion more than last year so these things are being targeted. But

:35:10. > :35:12.having that surplus land, it is almost certainly in areas where

:35:13. > :35:19.there is a demand for housing. Absolutely. So why not release it

:35:20. > :35:23.for housing? You get the money, the people get their houses and its

:35:24. > :35:26.contribution and a signal that you are running NHS assets as

:35:27. > :35:31.efficiently as you can? Tell me if I'm going to too much detail for

:35:32. > :35:35.you. One of the reasons as to why our trusts are reluctant to realise

:35:36. > :35:39.those land sales is because there is an assumption that the money would

:35:40. > :35:43.go back to the Treasury and wouldn't benefit NHS trusts. You could make a

:35:44. > :35:47.deal, couldn't you? That's part of the conversation going on at the

:35:48. > :35:52.moment. The issue is that we would want to ensure that if we do release

:35:53. > :36:04.land, quite rightly the benefit, particularly in foundation trusts

:36:05. > :36:05.which are, as you will remember, deliberately autonomous

:36:06. > :36:08.organisations, that they should keep the benefit of those land sales.

:36:09. > :36:08.Have you raised that with the government?

:36:09. > :36:20.Yes we have. What did they say? They are in discussions of it. We heard

:36:21. > :36:25.somebody who moved from one job and then to another job and given a big

:36:26. > :36:29.salary and then almost ?200,000 as a payoff. There is a national mood for

:36:30. > :36:32.the NHS to get more money. But before you give anybody any more

:36:33. > :36:36.money you want to be sure that the money you have got already is being

:36:37. > :36:41.properly spent, which for us, is the patient at the end of the day. And

:36:42. > :36:49.yet there seem to be these enormous salaries and payoffs. I've worked in

:36:50. > :36:51.a FTSE 100 on the board of Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs and I

:36:52. > :36:54.have worked in large organisations. I can look you completely straight

:36:55. > :36:57.in the eye and tell you that the jobs that our hospital, community,

:36:58. > :37:00.mental health and ambulance chief Executives do are amongst the most

:37:01. > :37:05.complicated leadership roles I have ever seen. It doesn't seem to me to

:37:06. > :37:08.be unreasonable that in order to get the right quality of people we

:37:09. > :37:12.should pay an appropriate salary. The reality is the salaries are paid

:37:13. > :37:17.are not excessive when talking about managing budgets of over ?1 billion

:37:18. > :37:24.a year and talking about managing tens of thousands of staff. There

:37:25. > :37:28.was a doctor working as a locum that earned an extra ?375,000. One of the

:37:29. > :37:32.problems in the NHS is a mismatch between the number of staff we need

:37:33. > :37:35.and the number of staff coming through the pipeline. What is having

:37:36. > :37:40.to happen is if you want to keep a service going you have to use Mackem

:37:41. > :37:46.and agency staff. Even at that cost? You would not want to pay those

:37:47. > :37:50.amounts. But you are. The chief Executives's choice in those areas

:37:51. > :37:55.is giving the service open or employing a locum. I'm sure you

:37:56. > :37:58.could find a locum prepared to work for less than that. What indication,

:37:59. > :38:03.what hopes do you have of getting the extra ?3 billion? The government

:38:04. > :38:08.has been very clear, for the moment it wants to stick to the existing

:38:09. > :38:12.funding settlement it has agreed. So there was nothing in the budget. Can

:38:13. > :38:17.I finish by making one important point. Please, finish. This is the

:38:18. > :38:23.first time the NHS has said before the year has even started that we

:38:24. > :38:28.can't deliver on those standards. We believe, as do most people who work

:38:29. > :38:32.in the NHS, that the NHS is on a gradual slow decline. This is a very

:38:33. > :38:35.important inflection point to Mark, this is the first time before the

:38:36. > :38:39.financial year starts that we say we cannot meet the targets we are being

:38:40. > :38:43.asked to deliver and are in the NHS Constitution. We have run out of

:38:44. > :38:44.time. Chris Hopson, thank you for being with me.

:38:45. > :38:46.It's just gone 11:35am, you're watching the Sunday Politics.

:38:47. > :38:49.We say goodbye to viewers in Scotland who leave us now

:38:50. > :39:02.Hello, I'm Natalie Graham and this is the Sunday Politics

:39:03. > :39:10.Uber is operating in Brighton and Hove,

:39:11. > :39:13.but has its arrival driven a coach and horses through local

:39:14. > :39:20.We'll be speaking to the councillor in charge for Brighton in the city.

:39:21. > :39:23.Joining me to discuss that and other matters

:39:24. > :39:29.are the Conservative MP for Gillingham, Rainham,

:39:30. > :39:32.who's a labour activist based in Brighton.

:39:33. > :39:34.Thank you much for joining us, both of you.

:39:35. > :39:37.Now, first, it's the biggest fine ever issued by

:39:38. > :39:40.This week, the Conservative Party was ordered to pay ?70,000

:39:41. > :39:43.because it had breached the rules on how much the party could spend

:39:44. > :39:45.in constituency campaigns and the general election,

:39:46. > :39:47.including in South Thanet and at the by-election

:39:48. > :39:50.So, Rehman Chishti, the electoral commission found

:39:51. > :39:52.there was a realistic prospect, and I quote this, the money gave

:39:53. > :39:59.So, if Conservative candidates had an unfair advantage at an election,

:40:00. > :40:01.it's surely only right that the election is

:40:02. > :40:05.Well, look, what I would say is that we have accepted

:40:06. > :40:14.You're talking about the battle bus, which was due to give

:40:15. > :40:16.through different parts of the country.

:40:17. > :40:18.The Conservative Party have said that that was considered to be

:40:19. > :40:20.a national expense and not a local expenditure.

:40:21. > :40:22.The electoral commission have now said, look,

:40:23. > :40:25.you have been at a wrong in this and the Conservative Party have

:40:26. > :40:27.said, look, we accept it was an administrative error.

:40:28. > :40:30.Other political parties in the past...

:40:31. > :40:41.Labour and Lib Dems have been in similar positions.

:40:42. > :40:43.Whichever party, whether it was deliberate or not,

:40:44. > :40:46.if it is an unfair advantage at the ballot box, and election

:40:47. > :40:48.surely should be held again on fair rules.

:40:49. > :40:50.What I would say is, let's wait for the full

:40:51. > :40:53.investigation to come out but, this point in time, we have done

:40:54. > :40:55.everything we can to cooperate with the electoral commission,

:40:56. > :40:58.they have find us for the administrative error that has

:40:59. > :41:00.been made, but what I would say in terms of our national

:41:01. > :41:02.expenditure, taking that into account, the figure

:41:03. > :41:10.Even if it had been put in together, we would not have been over the

:41:11. > :41:12.statutory limit in relation to our expenditure.

:41:13. > :41:18.If it was deliberate, and we don't know, this

:41:19. > :41:21.is in the hands of the police now, should there then be a re-election

:41:22. > :41:26.Well, I think you're putting the horses before the...

:41:27. > :41:32.I think what you'd say, if, then have me back on this show

:41:33. > :41:34.when a decision is made and we will discuss it.

:41:35. > :41:37.At this point in time, the police are looking at it.

:41:38. > :41:39.Certainly in Kent, I haven't heard anything about matters

:41:40. > :41:41.being referred to the CPS, according to the media.

:41:42. > :41:45.We will see, Rehman, and we'll have you back when he time comes.

:41:46. > :41:47.Simon Fanshawe, if there were by-elections in those seats

:41:48. > :41:50.which, let's not forget, Labour held a few years ago,

:41:51. > :41:52.would the party be in shape to fight them here in the

:41:53. > :41:59.The point that you need to take on, Rehman,

:42:00. > :42:02.is that the mistakes that were made, and it wasn't just the battle bus,

:42:03. > :42:04.it's three categories, was ?286,000 worth of errors.

:42:05. > :42:07.OK, in ?15 million worth of expenditure, I accept

:42:08. > :42:11.This Government and the party is not showing great maths at the moment.

:42:12. > :42:19.This is a problem for all three parties.

:42:20. > :42:30.What it does, though, is it undermines trust

:42:31. > :42:34.particularly undermines trust when it comes out in a week at

:42:35. > :42:37.which the budget was miscalculated, you had to do a U-turn...

:42:38. > :42:38.We're going to talk about the U-turn later.

:42:39. > :42:47.There's something very seriously wrong if you leave out almost

:42:48. > :42:50.I'm more than happy to talk about the budget, but come

:42:51. > :42:56.Look, all the parties have made mistakes.

:42:57. > :43:07.Oh I did it wrong because William did it wrong...

:43:08. > :43:12.Welcome let them look into it, because I think what you have coming

:43:13. > :43:14.have a transparent process coming of the electoral commission

:43:15. > :43:19.They find your party, they find the Lib Dems.

:43:20. > :43:22.This investigation is carrying on, let's see where it goes.

:43:23. > :43:34.Now, this week, Medway will hold its biggest

:43:35. > :43:35.ever recruitment fair, just for teachers.

:43:36. > :43:37.Attempting to attract new, experience professionals to teach

:43:38. > :43:44.That is one of the south-east where schools are struggling

:43:45. > :43:46.to recruit enough teachers in recent years.

:43:47. > :43:52.Luckily, not everyone feels the same as Roald Dahl's witches, or no one

:43:53. > :43:57.As it appears, it can be hard to find a teacher to fill a vacancy

:43:58. > :44:02.The problem's a national one.

:44:03. > :44:05.But it's particularly tricky here in Medway.

:44:06. > :44:07.There's two fundamental reasons and the first

:44:08. > :44:19.Clearly, we are very close to London, so an experienced teacher

:44:20. > :44:23.or a new teacher could drive 20 minutes up the road to London

:44:24. > :44:24.and therefore receive an enhanced salary.

:44:25. > :44:26.The second one is about perception of Medway, which,

:44:27. > :44:36.I think there has been, certainly in the past,

:44:37. > :44:38.a view that Medway is a difficult place to work,

:44:39. > :44:41.And there are some challenges around that.

:44:42. > :44:44.I think colleagues are working really hard to change that and,

:44:45. > :44:46.that and, certainly, Medway School is improving.

:44:47. > :44:50.Last month, the education select committee published a report

:44:51. > :44:53.which included a submission for Medway Council saying local

:44:54. > :44:55.schools are struggling to recruit and that the number of teachers

:44:56. > :44:58.applying for vacancies has reduced significantly in the past two years.

:44:59. > :45:06.It's working hard to address this with teacher workshops and a website

:45:07. > :45:09.Once a teacher is in the job, challenges continue.

:45:10. > :45:11.According to a recent Department for Education survey,

:45:12. > :45:13.teachers work an average of 54 hours per week.

:45:14. > :45:15.93% said their workload was a fairly serious problem.

:45:16. > :45:22.Just over half said it was a very serious problem.

:45:23. > :45:25.The national union of teachers tells us that around half teachers

:45:26. > :45:27.are thinking of leaving the profession in the

:45:28. > :45:37.They say a lot of those extra hours work are spent on paperwork

:45:38. > :45:39.and things relating to Ofsted and not preparing things that

:45:40. > :45:48.Difficulties are not confined to Medway towns.

:45:49. > :45:54.Teach First place trainees is in areas where the need is high.

:45:55. > :45:58.What we find across the south-east is that it's a lot of where we work

:45:59. > :46:06.We've got Medway, Sheppey, Margate all the way down to dinner

:46:07. > :46:09.Dover and right across to the south coast as well.

:46:10. > :46:12.It's also an isolation in terms of employment

:46:13. > :46:17.In the budget, the Chancellor announced the next ?320 million

:46:18. > :46:26.Critics say that education funding is being misdirected and therefore

:46:27. > :46:28.not helping with recruiting and retaining

:46:29. > :46:36.We've seen, in the last few years, a kind of real perfect storm and it

:46:37. > :46:40.We've had some of the lowest key stage two results.

:46:41. > :46:44.That would be a pressure in and of itself in recruiting

:46:45. > :46:46.I've always supported good schools expanding.

:46:47. > :46:49.I think it much rather see people putting their focus onto that,

:46:50. > :46:51.rather than just building another school and another school,

:46:52. > :46:53.and another school, with no guarantee of success

:46:54. > :46:57.Where we've got good and outstanding schools,

:46:58. > :46:59.let's use their skills and abilities, let's work

:47:00. > :47:06.with them to increase the provision they can offer,

:47:07. > :47:09.rather than a political ideology that we see with free schools.

:47:10. > :47:11.The Department for Education has told us it recognises

:47:12. > :47:14.It says it's putting resources into recruitment

:47:15. > :47:27.Over the next decade, there will be hundreds of thousands

:47:28. > :47:29.of extra school places needed which, in turn,

:47:30. > :47:37.Rehman Chishti, you're an MP for the Medway towns and also

:47:38. > :47:44.Now, at the moment, the number of teachers leaving is rising.

:47:45. > :47:46.The number of people coming into teaching is falling.

:47:47. > :47:49.Pupil numbers are predicted to rise and that's before the schools

:47:50. > :47:52.across the country suffer budget cuts as a result of

:47:53. > :47:54.We are heading for a crisis, aren't we?

:47:55. > :47:56.Well, let me make it very clear, actually.

:47:57. > :47:59.I went to local schools in Gillingham.

:48:00. > :48:02.I was the first in my family to go off to university

:48:03. > :48:04.to achieve my aspiration of being a barrister.

:48:05. > :48:06.Through hard work, determination and thanks to brilliant teachers

:48:07. > :48:10.I would be the first to say, look, teachers do a great job

:48:11. > :48:15.but there are challenges out there and we, as a Government,

:48:16. > :48:19.have put forward an extra ?1.3 billion in relation

:48:20. > :48:22.to recruiting more teachers because it's not simply an issue

:48:23. > :48:24.But it's not working, Rehman Chishti.

:48:25. > :48:29.If you listen to what we just saw in Helen's report or any teacher

:48:30. > :48:31.will tell you and Department for Education would admit,

:48:32. > :48:33.it's not meeting its targets of fulfilling those vacancies.

:48:34. > :48:36.What I would say is, look, rather than saying it's

:48:37. > :48:38.not meeting its target, I would say there are challenges,

:48:39. > :48:41.but are we doing everything possible as a Government to address that?

:48:42. > :48:43.So, extra investment, ?1.3 billion has gone in.

:48:44. > :48:46.What I would say, in the year 2016-2017, there are 15,000 extra

:48:47. > :48:48.trainee teachers coming through and what we have seen

:48:49. > :48:50.over the last 20 years, you know, in respect

:48:51. > :48:54.parties, there has been a stability in a number of teachers

:48:55. > :48:57.As you'll also know, there's a high dropout rate

:48:58. > :49:00.after the first year and after the first five years

:49:01. > :49:04.In Medway particularly, where you are trying very hard

:49:05. > :49:07.against the odds to recruit teachers, what success are

:49:08. > :49:12.Well, I would say, if you look at the national figure.

:49:13. > :49:15.The national figure of the past five years, seven out of ten teachers

:49:16. > :49:17.at the last five years are staying in the profession.

:49:18. > :49:21.What we have done is a Government, some of the issues that need

:49:22. > :49:23.to people leaving the profession are in terms of the workload.

:49:24. > :49:26.We had a consultation with the teachers to see how

:49:27. > :49:29.Behaviour, how teachers can get the best of that...

:49:30. > :49:31.In Medway, are you actually getting the teachers that you need

:49:32. > :49:36.The reason I would say yes is that you had on their Sean McEwan

:49:37. > :49:45.Eight years ago, that school was at requires improvement and it's

:49:46. > :49:48.now one of the most demographically challenging areas and it is

:49:49. > :49:51.That could only happen by having fantastic teachers,

:49:52. > :49:54.A similar things happening through the Medway towns.

:49:55. > :49:55.Simon Fanshawe, what's the answer here to attract

:49:56. > :49:58.people into a profession which they are clearly not attracted

:49:59. > :50:00.to, especially in deprived coastal areas of Sussex and Kent?

:50:01. > :50:04.You are in the Government and you are saying you're the ones

:50:05. > :50:08.A quarter teachers are leaving after three years.

:50:09. > :50:10.15,000 teachers leaving last year before retirement.

:50:11. > :50:14.We know the scale of the problem, so I don't think there's any value

:50:15. > :50:16.particularly in saying there's not a crisis.

:50:17. > :50:18.I think the second thing is, the increases are

:50:19. > :50:21.because you've missed your target the past five years.

:50:22. > :50:26.The second thing is that it's not just in the south east,

:50:27. > :50:30.So, in the south-east, it seems to be that one of the answers

:50:31. > :50:37.is to make having more easily obtained for teachers.

:50:38. > :50:41.So, for instance, I think that legislation should allow planning

:50:42. > :50:43.to have more housing and social rent, or whatever,

:50:44. > :50:47.Part buy-part rent to enable people to get on the ladder.

:50:48. > :50:50.Secondly, I think what you've got to do is incentivise good teachers.

:50:51. > :50:52.Well, academies can do that, can't they?

:50:53. > :50:56.That one of the things schools are unhappy about.

:50:57. > :50:58.Yes, but you need to have the emphasis on good teachers

:50:59. > :51:01.and you've got to agree on the metrics, what

:51:02. > :51:05.It's not about giving all teachers nor money,

:51:06. > :51:07.it's about really trying to reward really good teachers and relieve

:51:08. > :51:10.them of some of the bureaucracy and let them get on the teaching.

:51:11. > :51:13.Thirdly, I think it is to stop sending personally signed

:51:14. > :51:14.Bible to all schools, Michael Gove.

:51:15. > :51:17.Protesting about free schools in the budget.

:51:18. > :51:24.But the NAO office and the Department for Education to say

:51:25. > :51:26.that it would provide the number of places, it will provide a fifth

:51:27. > :51:32.Just to make this point, grammar schools are not

:51:33. > :51:40.18% in areas where there are 18% free school meals, grammars have 3%.

:51:41. > :51:43.Rehman Chishti, I want to talk about...

:51:44. > :51:45.They are not engines of social mobility!

:51:46. > :51:50.I went to a secondary high school which closed down.

:51:51. > :52:03.Rehman Chishti, I want to ask about school funding.

:52:04. > :52:06.We know that many Conservative MPs are angry.

:52:07. > :52:09.They went to meet with Theresa May and Justin Greening last week

:52:10. > :52:12.to demand changes to the plans to change school funding.

:52:13. > :52:14.They think this is going to be the next climb-down.

:52:15. > :52:18.Look, when members of Parliament have concerns with regard to any

:52:19. > :52:20.area dominated give it had meetings with ministers.

:52:21. > :52:22.I have representation, which I've made to make gains

:52:23. > :52:24.in relation to funding for schools in my constituency.

:52:25. > :52:26.It's the job of every member of Parliament.

:52:27. > :52:28.When there is an issue which affects you...

:52:29. > :52:31.Like the hospital in Medway, which got the ?18 million is needed

:52:32. > :52:34.and now it has come out of special measures down to the hard

:52:35. > :52:40.work of the staff there and with the support

:52:41. > :52:46.When there is a concern, we have to raise it at every level.

:52:47. > :52:49.The reason is MPs are complaining is because what they are doing

:52:50. > :52:51.is taking the existing amount of funding and redistributing it.

:52:52. > :52:55.We're going to run out of time, onto the rest of the programme.

:52:56. > :53:00.It's a concept you are going to be familiar with if you work in London,

:53:01. > :53:04.but using an app on your phone to order a taxi is a relatively

:53:05. > :53:06.is a relatively new phenomenon here in the south-east.

:53:07. > :53:08.Four months ago, Uber began operating in Brighton and Hove.

:53:09. > :53:11.In February, was given a licence to operate in the Lewes.

:53:12. > :53:13.Traditional cabbies in Sussex say it's putting them out of business

:53:14. > :53:15.because Uber's not playing by the same rules.

:53:16. > :53:18.In a minute, we'll be acting whether the Uber model is running

:53:19. > :53:20.rings around our local councils, but here's a summary

:53:21. > :53:26.There's no doubt that Uber is a hit with passengers.

:53:27. > :53:29.It is at enables you to call a cab at the push of a button.

:53:30. > :53:34.It began operating in Brighton and Hove,

:53:35. > :53:38.but traditional taxi drivers are unhappy with the new arrival.

:53:39. > :53:44.If they were going to come here, I'd open welcome them with open arms.

:53:45. > :53:47.As they don't adhere to the rules, they are not welcome.

:53:48. > :53:50.Uber was given a licence by the City Council on the condition

:53:51. > :53:52.they employ drivers who are licensed in Brighton and Hove.

:53:53. > :53:55.To get a license in the city, cabbies have to meet

:53:56. > :53:58.A different set of standards to London taxi drivers, for example.

:53:59. > :54:01.In Brighton, we have the highest standards in terms of drivers,

:54:02. > :54:03.vehicles, security in the taxi, CCTV, signage on the side.

:54:04. > :54:06.The public have got that reassurance.

:54:07. > :54:09.So far, not all the drivers in the city are licensed here.

:54:10. > :54:12.According to the Council, Uber has employed 17 drivers

:54:13. > :54:18.Uber isn't breaking any laws by bringing in drivers from London,

:54:19. > :54:21.but taxi companies in Brighton and Hove say it means they are not

:54:22. > :54:25.The Uber driver who turned up within a few minutes when I ordered

:54:26. > :54:33.a cab using the app to really was licensed

:54:34. > :54:42.You come from London and they have different rules in London for taxis

:54:43. > :54:47.to Brighton and Hove, so they say it's not fair.

:54:48. > :54:55.This is made by his country, not by us.

:54:56. > :54:58.Basically, the Uber model can kind of trample all over individual

:54:59. > :55:04.Wherever we are licensed, we have to adhere to

:55:05. > :55:08.Changes were made as early as 2015 to facilitate people having more

:55:09. > :55:11.freedom to drop-off and pick-up across the UK, and that is

:55:12. > :55:14.to bring competition and choice to the market.

:55:15. > :55:16.Consumers can benefit with a more reliable service and better

:55:17. > :55:21.Uber is expanding, and is expected to start operating in more towns

:55:22. > :55:27.across Sussex and Kent in the near future.

:55:28. > :55:29.Its business model seems to be outwitting the old fashioned

:55:30. > :55:45.Is there anything our local councils can do to control it?

:55:46. > :55:47.Joining us now from Brighton is Jackie O Quinn,

:55:48. > :55:52.of the licensing committee in the city, which gave a licence

:55:53. > :55:57.Jackie, Uber said it is not doing anything wrong.

:55:58. > :56:00.Would you say it's abiding by the terms of the license?

:56:01. > :56:03.Well, in strict legal terms, yes, it is because they do use Brighton

:56:04. > :56:06.and Hove licensed taxi drivers, but they are not really abiding

:56:07. > :56:10.Whereby we thought they would have considerably more Brighton and Hove

:56:11. > :56:17.That would create a level playing field with our local taxi drivers

:56:18. > :56:24.because we could carry out taxi enforcement, meaning

:56:25. > :56:29.We do not have the power to check Transport for London taxis.

:56:30. > :56:43.Well, we have really pushed hard on this.

:56:44. > :56:48.We have a meeting with a senior representative from Transport

:56:49. > :56:50.for London to look at setting up joint enforcement

:56:51. > :57:00.we would be able to stop Transport for London cabs and check them over,

:57:01. > :57:05.I also wrote to the Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, and he is very keen

:57:06. > :57:07.for us to be involved in petitioning, essentially,

:57:08. > :57:10.the Department for Transport for better legislation that deals

:57:11. > :57:13.I'm enlisting the support of our local MP, Peter Kyle, in this.

:57:14. > :57:17.We have outdated legislation which still doesn't deal

:57:18. > :57:33.Now, Transport for London would say their taxis are perfectly safe.

:57:34. > :57:38.They may not have the same conditions precisely

:57:39. > :57:40.as Brighton and Hove ones, but the wider question, Jackie,

:57:41. > :57:47.They are offering an incredibly popular service.

:57:48. > :57:49.Passengers are voting with their feet and using them.

:57:50. > :57:51.Is it your job to arbitrate in this market?

:57:52. > :57:59.I recently went up to a local Government Association meeting

:58:00. > :58:02.and it was put very, very strongly that our first duty

:58:03. > :58:03.with taxis and customers is their safety.

:58:04. > :58:05.That is absolutely paramount that people are safe.

:58:06. > :58:09.Now, personally, I would say that you are safer in a Brighton and Hove

:58:10. > :58:11.licensed taxi because they do have more stringent standards

:58:12. > :58:13.and because you have CCTV cameras in that taxi.

:58:14. > :58:25.So, yes, I think it is evidently an area that we should

:58:26. > :58:29.be responsible for and have a say in.

:58:30. > :58:34.Simon Fanshawe, you're a resident of Brighton and Hove.

:58:35. > :58:41.You're probably familiar with this situation, I imagine.

:58:42. > :58:44.Uber's not doing anything wrong, and it is incredibly popular.

:58:45. > :58:47.You can't fight modernisation, can you, ultimately?

:58:48. > :58:53.Well, there are questions about how you regulate the so-called gig

:58:54. > :58:55.economy and so forth, but the Uber question

:58:56. > :59:00.Uber's business model, it seems to me, is really, really clear.

:59:01. > :59:04.It is to drive prices down and down, and down, to the extent that

:59:05. > :59:06.you dominate the market, of which you overtake the market,

:59:07. > :59:08.you hike up prices, driverless cars are coming in,

:59:09. > :59:11.it's a long-term strategy and it is a way, frankly,

:59:12. > :59:14.of transferring money from taxi drivers to shareholders.

:59:15. > :59:16.You saw on the video, with Travis, abusing that driver

:59:17. > :59:21.Practically none of the Uber rides in the states make any money at all,

:59:22. > :59:23.they are subsidising an asset grab and they are pushing

:59:24. > :59:27.I will never take an Uber, so it down to the public.

:59:28. > :59:34.Uber will be the first to point out...

:59:35. > :59:53.What's the answer here, Rehman Chishti?

:59:54. > :59:57.Should there be coordinated local licensing, for example,

:59:58. > :00:05.Rather than TFL giving a licensing, when the taxi drivers from Newbiggin

:00:06. > :00:07.to other areas and got a problem, it's left for the local

:00:08. > :00:12.What I would say, I would look Peter Kyle, who I know is working

:00:13. > :00:14.very hard as local constituency, this year they can look

:00:15. > :00:16.at a Parliamentary solution to this issue.

:00:17. > :00:21.And you can hear more from the taxi drivers in Brighton and Hove

:00:22. > :00:25.on tomorrow's episode of Inside Out which is at 7:30pm, here on BBC One.

:00:26. > :00:28.Now, it's time for some of the other news you may have missed this week

:00:29. > :00:32.The former regional leader of the English Democrats has been

:00:33. > :00:33.jailed for seven months for electoral fraud.

:00:34. > :00:36.Steve Uncles, who stood as a candidate for the Kent Police

:00:37. > :00:38.and Crime Commissioner, put forward a series of fake

:00:39. > :00:40.candidates for local council elections in 2013.

:00:41. > :00:42.A recently elected Labour official from Hove has been expelled

:00:43. > :00:45.from the party after it emerged that he was jailed for breaking UN

:00:46. > :01:04.Raid Al-Tahir believes his expulsion now is because of his opposition

:01:05. > :01:08.This is about something that happened 17 years ago.

:01:09. > :01:12.But Labour's, defence Minister, Ivor Kaplan, said Riyadh's expulsion

:01:13. > :01:14.was a straightforward application of the rules.

:01:15. > :01:16.And a fresh deal has been agreed to resolve the industrial dispute

:01:17. > :01:19.between Southern rail and the train drivers' union, Aslef.

:01:20. > :01:22.Drivers were forced to return to the negotiating table at a deal

:01:23. > :01:23.last month was rejected by Aslef members.

:01:24. > :01:26.The new proposal will be put to drivers in a referendum.

:01:27. > :01:29.One question to Simon Fanshawe, are you feeling positive or negative

:01:30. > :01:31.about the future of your party, Labour, in Brighton?

:01:32. > :01:33.Fantastically positive about Peter Kyle, he's a great MP,

:01:34. > :01:35.incredibly negative about idiotic people who think he

:01:36. > :01:43.That's all we've got time for from the south-east this week.

:01:44. > :01:46.My thanks to both of my guests for the day, Rehman Chishti

:01:47. > :01:49.It's been great to have you back with us.

:01:50. > :02:00.you both. Say goodbye. Goodbye. Back to you.

:02:01. > :02:03.So, can George Osborne stay on as a member of Parliament

:02:04. > :02:07.Will Conservative backbenchers force a Government re-think

:02:08. > :02:11.And is Theresa May about to cap gas and electricity prices?

:02:12. > :02:20.Whose idea was that first of all? They are all questions for the Week

:02:21. > :02:30.Ahead to. Let's start with the story that is

:02:31. > :02:34.too much fun to miss, on Friday it was announced the former Chancellor

:02:35. > :02:39.would be the new editor of London's Evening Standard newspaper, a

:02:40. > :02:42.position he will take up in mid-May on a salary of ?200,000 for four

:02:43. > :02:46.days a week. But Mr Osborne has said he will not

:02:47. > :02:49.be stepping down as MP for Tatton in Cheshire,

:02:50. > :02:52.a job he's held since 2001, Alongside these duties,

:02:53. > :02:55.he's also chairman of While being committed to one day

:02:56. > :03:01.a week at Black Rock, an American asset management firm -

:03:02. > :03:04.a part-time role that earns him Then he's polishing his academic

:03:05. > :03:09.credentials, as a fellow at the McCain Institute,

:03:10. > :03:11.an American thinktank, And finally as a member

:03:12. > :03:18.of the Washington Speaker's Bureau, he also earns his keep

:03:19. > :03:25.as an after-dinner speaker, banking around ?750,000

:03:26. > :03:37.since last summer. So there you go. Nice little earners

:03:38. > :03:41.if you can get them. The problem, though, is he has put second jobs on

:03:42. > :03:44.the agenda and lots of his fellow MPs are not happy because they have

:03:45. > :03:50.got second jobs but not making that kind of money. No, and a lot of MPs

:03:51. > :03:54.on both sides actually are unhappy about it exactly for those reasons.

:03:55. > :03:58.I find it a very interesting appointment. We have got these

:03:59. > :04:03.people on the centre and centre right of politics who have been used

:04:04. > :04:08.to power since 1997, they have been on the airwaves today, Tony Blair,

:04:09. > :04:12.Nick Clegg, George Osborne, and they are all seeking other platforms now

:04:13. > :04:16.because power has moved elsewhere. So Tony Blair is setting up this new

:04:17. > :04:20.foundation, Nick Clegg refused to condemn George Osborne, Tony Blair

:04:21. > :04:26.praised the appointment. They are all searching for new platforms.

:04:27. > :04:30.They might have overestimated the degree to which this will be a huge

:04:31. > :04:36.influential platform. The standard was very pro-Tory at the 2015

:04:37. > :04:40.election but London voted Labour, it was pro-Zac Goldsmith but they

:04:41. > :04:44.elected Sadiq Khan. It might be overestimating the degree to which

:04:45. > :04:49.this is a hugely influential paper. But I can see why it attracts him as

:04:50. > :04:55.a platform when all these platforms have disappeared, eg power and

:04:56. > :05:00.government. All of these people who used to be in power are quietly

:05:01. > :05:04.getting together again, Mr Blair on television this morning, George

:05:05. > :05:09.Osborne not only filling his bank account but now in charge of

:05:10. > :05:13.London's most important newspaper, Nick Clegg out today not saying

:05:14. > :05:20.Brexit was a done deal, waiting to see what happens, even John Major

:05:21. > :05:23.was wheeled out again today in the Mail on Sunday. They are all playing

:05:24. > :05:28.for position. I half expect David Cameron to turn up as features

:05:29. > :05:35.editor on The Evening Standard. Brexit and breakfast! With Mr Clegg,

:05:36. > :05:38.did he not? I do not think this is sustainable for George Osborne, I

:05:39. > :05:42.worked at The Evening Standard and I was there for three years, I know

:05:43. > :05:46.what the hours are like for a humble journalist, never mind the editor.

:05:47. > :05:51.If he thinks he can get at 4am everyday to be in the offices at 5am

:05:52. > :05:54.to oversee the splash, manage everything in the way and edited

:05:55. > :05:59.should he is in cloud cuckoo land. What this says to people is there is

:06:00. > :06:03.a kind of feel of soft corruption about public life here, where you

:06:04. > :06:06.see what you can get away with. He thinks he can brazen this out and

:06:07. > :06:09.maybe he can but what kind of message does that send to people

:06:10. > :06:15.about how seriously people take the role of being an MP? He must have

:06:16. > :06:20.known. He applied for the job. The Russian owner didn't approach him,

:06:21. > :06:26.he approached Lebedev, the proprietor, for it. He must have

:06:27. > :06:29.calculated there would be some kickback. I wonder if he realised

:06:30. > :06:33.there would be quite the kickback there has been. I think that's

:06:34. > :06:37.probably right. This hasn't finished yet, by the way, this will go on and

:06:38. > :06:43.on. How on earth does George Osborne cover the budget in the autumn? Big

:06:44. > :06:47.budget, lots of physical changes and tax rises to deal with the messages

:06:48. > :06:53.out of this week. You can see already, Theresa May budget crashes.

:06:54. > :06:58.It could be worse. She's useless! Or, worse than that, me, brilliant

:06:59. > :07:04.budget, terrible newspaper, I've never buying it again. He has

:07:05. > :07:07.hoisted his own petard. He has not bought it properly through. It's a

:07:08. > :07:14.something interesting about his own future calculations, if he wants to

:07:15. > :07:17.stay on as an MP in 2020 and be Prime Minister as he has or was

:07:18. > :07:21.wanted to be he has got to find a new seat. How do you go into an

:07:22. > :07:26.association and say I should be an MP, I can do it for at least four

:07:27. > :07:29.hours Purdy after editing The Evening Standard, making a big

:07:30. > :07:36.speech and telling Black Rock how to make a big profit. The feature pages

:07:37. > :07:41.have to be approved for the next day and feature pages are aware the

:07:42. > :07:46.editor gets to make their mark. The news is the news. The feature is

:07:47. > :07:49.what concerns you, what he is in your bonnet. That defines the

:07:50. > :07:59.newspaper, doesn't it? It is not over yet. Too much 101 on

:08:00. > :08:02.newspapers. And Haatheq at. School funding, the consultation

:08:03. > :08:10.period ends, it has been a tricky one for the government, some areas

:08:11. > :08:14.losing. I guess we are seeing this through the prism of the National

:08:15. > :08:20.Insurance contributions now, it is a small majority, if Tory MPs are

:08:21. > :08:25.unhappy she may not get her way. Talking to backbench MPs who are

:08:26. > :08:30.unhappy the feeling is it is not going to go ahead in the proposed

:08:31. > :08:34.form that the consultation has been on. No 10 will definitely have to

:08:35. > :08:38.move on this. It is unclear whether they will scrap it completely, or

:08:39. > :08:43.will they bring in something possibly like a base level, floor

:08:44. > :08:48.level pupil funding below which you can't go? You would then still need

:08:49. > :08:52.to find some extra money. So there are no easy solutions on this but

:08:53. > :08:55.what is clear it is not going to go ahead in its current form. Parents

:08:56. > :09:00.have been getting letters across the country in England about what this

:09:01. > :09:04.will mean for teachers and so on in certain schools. It's not just a

:09:05. > :09:08.matter of the education Department, the schools, or the teachers and

:09:09. > :09:13.Tory backbenchers. Parents are being mobilised on this. The point of the

:09:14. > :09:17.new funding formula is to allocate more money to the more

:09:18. > :09:21.disadvantaged. That means schools in the more prosperous suburbs are

:09:22. > :09:25.going to lose money. Budget cuts on schools which are already

:09:26. > :09:30.struggling. It comes down again to be huge problem, the ever smaller

:09:31. > :09:35.fiscal pool, ever greater demands, NHS, social care, education as well,

:09:36. > :09:40.adding to Theresa May and Phillip Hammond's enormous problems. Here is

:09:41. > :09:44.an interesting issue, Steve. There was a labour Leader of the

:09:45. > :09:48.Opposition that once suggested perhaps given these huge energy

:09:49. > :09:52.companies which seemed to be good at passing on energy rises but not so

:09:53. > :09:56.good at cutting energy prices when it falls, that perhaps we should put

:09:57. > :10:01.a cap on them until at least we study how the market goes. This was

:10:02. > :10:05.obviously ludicrous Marxism and quite rightly knocked down by the

:10:06. > :10:10.Conservatives, except that Mrs May is now talking about putting a cap

:10:11. > :10:13.on energy prices. Yes, I think if it wasn't for Brexit we would focus

:10:14. > :10:18.much more on Theresa May's Ed Miliband streak. Whether this

:10:19. > :10:23.translates into policies, let us see. That bit we don't know. That

:10:24. > :10:26.bit we don't know but in terms of argument her speech to the

:10:27. > :10:30.Conservative conference on Friday was about the third or fourth time

:10:31. > :10:35.where she said as part of the speech, let's focus on the good that

:10:36. > :10:40.government can do, including in intervening in markets, exactly in

:10:41. > :10:43.the way that he used to argue. As you say, we await the policy

:10:44. > :10:47.consequences of that. She seems more cautious in terms of policy in

:10:48. > :10:52.fermentation. But in terms of the industrial strategy, in terms of

:10:53. > :10:56.implying intervention in certain markets, there is a kind of

:10:57. > :11:00.Milibandesque streak. And there comes a time when she has to walk

:11:01. > :11:06.the walk as well as talk the talk. They talk a lot about the just about

:11:07. > :11:10.managing, just about managing face rising food bills because of the

:11:11. > :11:16.lower pound and face rising fuel bills because of the rise in oil and

:11:17. > :11:21.in other commodities. One of the two things you could do to help the just

:11:22. > :11:24.about managing is to cut their food bills and the second would be to cut

:11:25. > :11:28.their fuel bills. At some stage she has to do something for them. We

:11:29. > :11:32.don't know what is going to happen to food bills under Brexit, that

:11:33. > :11:36.could become a really serious issue. They could abolish tariffs. There

:11:37. > :11:39.has been a lot of talking the talk and big announcements put out and

:11:40. > :11:41.not following through so I agree with you on that but lots of Tory

:11:42. > :11:56.MPs will have a big problem on this and the principle of

:11:57. > :11:59.continually talking about interfering in markets, whether it's

:12:00. > :12:01.on executive pay, whether it is on energy, at a time when Britain needs

:12:02. > :12:04.to send out this message to the world in their view, in the view of

:12:05. > :12:07.Brexit supporting MPs, that we are open for business and the government

:12:08. > :12:10.is not about poking around and doing this kind of thing. Of course, you

:12:11. > :12:12.could argue there is not a problem in the market for energy, it is a

:12:13. > :12:15.malfunctioning market that doesn't operate like a free market should,

:12:16. > :12:19.so that provides even Adam Smith, the inventor of market economics

:12:20. > :12:22.would have said on that basis you should intervene. I was in Cardiff

:12:23. > :12:26.to listen to Theresa May's latest explanation for doing this. By the

:12:27. > :12:31.way, we've been waiting nine months, this was one of her big ideas. You

:12:32. > :12:35.are right, let's see a bit of the meat, please. My newspaper has been

:12:36. > :12:38.calling for some pretty hefty government action on this for quite

:12:39. > :12:44.some time. For the just about managings? Yes and specifically to

:12:45. > :12:48.sort out an energy market dominated by the big six, which is manifestly

:12:49. > :12:51.ripping people off left, right and centre. Theresa May's argument in

:12:52. > :12:58.Cardiff on Friday morning which, by the way, went down like a proverbial

:12:59. > :13:01.windbreak at the proverbial funeral because Tories... You know what I

:13:02. > :13:04.mean Andrew, the big hand coming into from the state telling

:13:05. > :13:08.businesses what to do. They went very quiet indeed. They were having

:13:09. > :13:13.saving the union and Nato but there was no clapping for that. The point

:13:14. > :13:16.being, this is what she needs to do to prove her assault, to prove those

:13:17. > :13:21.first words on the steps of Downing Street. We await to see the actions

:13:22. > :13:28.taken. On that unusual agreement we will

:13:29. > :13:30.leave it there. The Daily Politics will be back on BBC Two tomorrow at

:13:31. > :13:32.noon and everyday during the week. And I'll be here on BBC One

:13:33. > :13:35.next Sunday at 11am. Remember, if it's Sunday,

:13:36. > :14:19.it's the Sunday Politics. I've not given myself that time

:14:20. > :14:23.to sit down Two years ago, former England

:14:24. > :14:28.captain Rio Ferdinand lost his wife Rebecca to cancer, leaving him as

:14:29. > :14:34.sole parent to their three children.