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:01:50. > :01:53.Ben the South West - the plan to save our high streets. And as

:01:53. > :02:03.ministers seek to redefine poverty one mother says she cannot see a

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:02:03. > :29:05.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 1621 seconds

:29:05. > :29:10.Good afternoon. Here are the headlines: Retail expert Mary

:29:10. > :29:16.Portas has has been sent to save one of the high streets, but will

:29:16. > :29:23.have a plan help other towns. I am joined by Ben Bradshaw and Oliver

:29:23. > :29:26.Colvile. Welcome to the programme. This week we have seen are the

:29:26. > :29:30.prime minister questioned at the Leveson Inquiry. Ben Bradshaw, did

:29:30. > :29:38.you ever come under pressure from news organisations to follow an

:29:38. > :29:48.agenda? I had a meeting with James Murdoch at which we disagreed on a

:29:48. > :29:51.

:29:51. > :30:00.more things. A -- on the most things. The Prime Minister today --

:30:00. > :30:08.this week said he was not aware of the BSkyB aspect. Were you lobbied

:30:08. > :30:18.about that? I was not. The lobbying was held off because they hoped for

:30:18. > :30:20.

:30:20. > :30:30.an easier ride from a Conservative government. Rupert Murdoch is

:30:30. > :30:40.logical business aim was to take full control. Nobody can come into

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:30:42. > :30:52.this debate without having some kind of a vested interest. If

:30:52. > :30:54.

:30:54. > :31:00.you're a broadcaster or a newspaper you have a few. -- the EU. This is

:31:00. > :31:07.an issue that does not have too much attraction with those who are

:31:07. > :31:10.seeking to make sure their economies are fine. Did you get a

:31:10. > :31:20.briefing in regarding the protective wall of sound for David

:31:20. > :31:21.

:31:21. > :31:31.Cameron? I did not. We have to cut our arguments across properly. We

:31:31. > :31:31.

:31:31. > :31:36.do not get involved in it the other aspects. One of the questions the

:31:36. > :31:41.Prime Minister faced was whether he was proud of that big rise in the

:31:41. > :31:44.number of people using Plymouth's Food bank. Later in the week a

:31:44. > :31:49.commentator predicted a surge in the number of children living in

:31:49. > :31:53.poverty because of welfare cuts. The government is now talking about

:31:54. > :31:58.changing the way child poverty is measured.

:31:58. > :32:03.Plymouth -- this Plymouth mother says that getting by is a daily

:32:03. > :32:08.struggle for her and her son. She is on benefit and after her rent is

:32:08. > :32:14.paid she has �150 per week. We cannot do things that most people

:32:14. > :32:18.do on a weekly basis. We cannot do anything apart from go to a park

:32:18. > :32:23.which is for me. We can exist, and nothing else.

:32:23. > :32:27.This situation is not unusual. It is estimated one in three children

:32:27. > :32:31.in this area is living in poverty. At the moment this person is

:32:31. > :32:39.defined as living in poverty because of her income. This week

:32:39. > :32:46.the work and pension Secretary said he wanted to change this. We need a

:32:46. > :32:50.measure that looks at people's lives. Taxpayers want to know their

:32:50. > :32:54.money is spent in a process of getting people out of welfare and

:32:54. > :33:00.not just wasted on just trying to hit a target which is moving all

:33:00. > :33:08.the time. This person is being helped to manage a budget by a

:33:08. > :33:16.local charity which says defining poverty is hard. People have an

:33:16. > :33:26.expectation. This person tells me she has not got a lot of hope in

:33:26. > :33:31.where her future lies, but she is surviving. The city has seen a 400

:33:31. > :33:37.% rise in the number of people using its Food bank in one year.

:33:37. > :33:41.The use of food that has gone up to 4,000 in one year. This Plymouth

:33:42. > :33:47.Labour MP this week asked the Prime Minister if he was proud of this

:33:47. > :33:51.fact. We have had to make difficult decisions but we have protected tax

:33:51. > :33:58.credits for the least well-off. We have protected benefits for the

:33:58. > :34:02.least well off. The Government is working to eradicate child poverty

:34:02. > :34:07.by the year 2020. It says the Labour policy was not hitting the

:34:07. > :34:12.targets. A poverty campaigners say the strategy was working. But

:34:12. > :34:17.official figures showed a two % fall last year. We are concerned

:34:17. > :34:21.that this will not continue. The cuts in that the austerity agenda

:34:21. > :34:24.are heavily targeted towards children and families. We have

:34:24. > :34:29.heard predictions from the Institute of Fiscal Studies that

:34:29. > :34:37.child poverty will rise by 100,000 children per year between now and

:34:37. > :34:44.the end of this Parliament. When a city council is now drawing up a

:34:44. > :34:50.child poverty strategy. One Labour Party member says it is not all

:34:50. > :34:59.about targets. We cannot touch issues of welfare. Those issues

:34:59. > :35:05.must be made by a national government. We will be doing what

:35:05. > :35:11.we can locally to mitigate it. Nicola says she wants to stop

:35:11. > :35:16.relying on benefit but feels trapped. There is no way out.

:35:16. > :35:21.stuck until he can go to school and I can get a job. The Government

:35:22. > :35:31.says it wants to help people like Nicola into work. The consultation

:35:32. > :35:33.

:35:33. > :35:41.on how to redefine Child poverty will start in the autumn.

:35:41. > :35:47.Argue redefining poverty to make the figures look better? There was

:35:47. > :35:52.always going to be a tightening taking place. My guess is that the

:35:52. > :36:02.Minister is taking a fresh look at what is happening. The key thing is

:36:02. > :36:07.that communities have the skills. Well redefining poverty help?

:36:07. > :36:14.have to take a long-term view so that children -- so that people

:36:14. > :36:24.have better support. In that report we heard that the policy is likely

:36:24. > :36:31.to put more people into poverty. have to make sure that the get the

:36:31. > :36:35.economy sorted out. We inherited a mess when we took power. We need to

:36:35. > :36:40.make sure we get that right. That is the top priority. You cannot

:36:40. > :36:45.afford to do anything unless you have the economy right. Did you get

:36:45. > :36:49.it wrong? That is a disgraceful sleight of hand by the Government.

:36:49. > :36:54.We got one million children out of poverty. But is now going into

:36:54. > :36:58.reverse. Iain Duncan Smith is saying that you got one million

:36:59. > :37:02.children out of poverty but you pumped �13 billion into the welfare

:37:02. > :37:05.state and that is not including money that was good and the tax

:37:05. > :37:11.credit. They are seeing you cannot continue to throw that amount of

:37:11. > :37:16.money at it. But we had more people in work. We had more single mothers

:37:16. > :37:25.getting back into work. That is all my going into reverse. There are

:37:25. > :37:29.cuts in tax credits. Every country in the world measures Child poverty

:37:30. > :37:37.at the 60 % median in measurement. To change that means you are giving

:37:37. > :37:44.up on any real idea of targeting child poverty. We know that having

:37:44. > :37:51.relative poverty is bad for society. Should poverty be measured in

:37:51. > :37:57.relative terms? The key thing is making sure that people have the

:37:57. > :38:07.skills to get jobs. That is a fundamental issue. When Labour was

:38:07. > :38:09.

:38:09. > :38:17.in power for 13 years this issue went on. We still remain in

:38:17. > :38:21.Plymouth a low skills and low wage economy. Saying that parents have

:38:21. > :38:29.to get the job when a five people are chasing every job - surely that

:38:29. > :38:39.is not answer. 38 % of people who work work in the public sector.

:38:39. > :38:41.

:38:41. > :38:50.That is unsustainable. We need to make sure that the structural

:38:50. > :38:55.budget deficit is sorted out, but we also have to make sure that we

:38:55. > :38:58.can bring more private industry into the city. Maybe you redefining

:38:58. > :39:05.poverty is not going to help all those things that you are

:39:05. > :39:11.suggesting. Ben Bradshaw, the Coalition is saying that you failed.

:39:11. > :39:16.What do you say to that? We had the best record of any recent

:39:16. > :39:20.government. The economy was growing when we left office. We are now

:39:20. > :39:25.back in a double-dip recession. Of course we need growth in the

:39:25. > :39:29.economy. We have not got growth. We have not got jobs. To try and get

:39:29. > :39:33.rid of child poverty by changing the way you measure it is a scandal.

:39:33. > :39:39.It is condemning those children and their families to a life of poverty

:39:39. > :39:42.with no hope for the future. Could be continued just putting money

:39:42. > :39:47.into the welfare state? A you can always review the welfare state

:39:47. > :39:50.system. That is what we did. At us now gone into reverse. I have

:39:50. > :39:55.constituents who are leaving jobs because it no longer pays for them

:39:55. > :40:00.to go to work because of the cost of childcare. But is a madly of

:40:00. > :40:05.getting people out of poverty and into work. We need to make sure

:40:06. > :40:09.that be rebalance our economy. We can go around with statistics until

:40:09. > :40:14.the cows come home, but we need to make sure we have a vibrant economy

:40:14. > :40:20.in the city. Shopkeepers in want south-west town

:40:20. > :40:26.are waiting for the arrival of retail guru Mary Portas. Liskeard

:40:26. > :40:30.is taking part in a Government pilot. While residents welcome the

:40:30. > :40:39.scheme they say that if ministers are serious they must reform

:40:39. > :40:49.business rates. In its video bid to become part of

:40:49. > :40:50.

:40:50. > :40:54.this pilot Exmouth used at science fiction theme. It did not win.

:40:54. > :41:02.Liskeard promised to inject fun back into the town centre and it

:41:02. > :41:08.did when. Now they have to turn those ambitious plans into reality.

:41:09. > :41:13.It is a roller-coaster. It can be overwhelming at times. There is a

:41:13. > :41:18.lot of fun. We have a strong arts and crafts scene. This is a

:41:18. > :41:24.fantastic backdrop for a lot of very creative and diverse people.

:41:24. > :41:30.We emphasise that in the bed. terms of the hard cash this is not

:41:30. > :41:34.like winning the lottery. It will mean �100,000 for the town to spend.

:41:34. > :41:39.But it does mean be able have a special contact in Government to

:41:39. > :41:44.offer advice to smooth any bureaucratic problems.

:41:44. > :41:48.There will be plenty of advice from a Mary Portas and her team when the

:41:48. > :41:53.cameras arrive. But retail groups believe that issues such as

:41:53. > :42:03.reforming business rates are much more important. That strikes a

:42:03. > :42:03.

:42:03. > :42:09.chord here. Once Maryport has is over it will be gone. The Mary

:42:09. > :42:15.Portas project is a short-term project. We need to bounce on from

:42:15. > :42:19.there. Business rates is something that will always be there.

:42:19. > :42:24.In the North Devon there was disappointment when their pilot but

:42:24. > :42:28.was not chosen. But the town's champions believe that schemes such

:42:28. > :42:37.as the regeneration of this scheme -- that to regeneration of this

:42:37. > :42:41.square means they can succeed. are worn out with their constant

:42:42. > :42:49.battling to get a customer through their door to spend a pound. It is

:42:49. > :42:52.incredibly hard. �370 applied for the pilot. There can only be 12

:42:52. > :42:56.winners in that initial selection. Ministers say they were so

:42:56. > :43:02.impressed by the quality of the birds they found some more money

:43:02. > :43:08.and announced a second round of the competition. This time there will

:43:08. > :43:12.be 15 pilots up for grabs. It will be a catapult. We are on the

:43:12. > :43:19.starting blocks ready to go. We need somebody to say goal and we

:43:19. > :43:27.will do it. It is a huge thing. I believe we have got something to

:43:27. > :43:34.offer here. I hope people will buy into it. It the deadline for the

:43:34. > :43:41.second round of the Mary Portas pilot bed is the end of June. --

:43:41. > :43:45.bid. If there is a serious problem with

:43:45. > :43:49.our high streets why is this money being offered up as part of a

:43:49. > :43:58.competition with Mary Portas? Why is she spearheading it? It is a

:43:58. > :44:02.gimmick is it not? It is not. We need to make sure that there is a

:44:02. > :44:05.retail offer that will attract people to come into our town

:44:05. > :44:09.centres. There is not an enormous amount of money going into it. A

:44:09. > :44:14.lot of local authorities could make some of the decisions for

:44:14. > :44:18.themselves. Is it right to do it as a competition? You have got a

:44:18. > :44:22.winner and a loser. What will happen to the losing time? There

:44:22. > :44:30.are thousands of people to live in those losing pounds. It is not such

:44:30. > :44:34.a fun thing for them is it? Towns can do a lot of things that Mary

:44:34. > :44:44.Portas has suggested. There are things that can be done in

:44:44. > :44:45.

:44:45. > :44:51.regarding car parking. If I go wide of town I do not have to pay for my

:44:51. > :44:56.car parking. A lot of shopkeepers said they would like business rates

:44:56. > :44:59.to be reduced. That would help them they say. If all the shops closed

:44:59. > :45:04.down they will be no business rate anyway. Anything is better than

:45:04. > :45:08.nothing. I have a lot of sympathy for what they are seeing, but it is

:45:08. > :45:13.not just about business rates. It is about the offer that is made to

:45:13. > :45:22.people to do their shopping in town centres. What do you make of this

:45:22. > :45:25.idea, Ben Bradshaw? We have a more fundamental problem. We have a

:45:25. > :45:32.vibrant city centre in Exeter, but it does not like that in many

:45:32. > :45:41.places. The bottom has for me to the economy. People do not a

:45:41. > :45:51.confident. -- do not have confidence. This government has

:45:51. > :45:52.

:45:52. > :45:57.abandoned their labour policy on town-centre development. We want

:45:57. > :46:01.the development of shops to come back into the city centre. Would

:46:01. > :46:06.you reduce is the straight? But has to be a judgment for the local a

:46:06. > :46:10.authorities. It is madness for a local authority took charge such

:46:10. > :46:20.high rates that they are driving businesses out of their town

:46:20. > :46:23.

:46:23. > :46:28.centres. Now for our round-up of the political week.

:46:28. > :46:32.The number of and pre-teens who use the internet to buy alcohol

:46:32. > :46:37.illegally is going up according to researchers at Plymouth University.

:46:37. > :46:42.An MP asked for a government investigation. I'd like to see

:46:42. > :46:46.changed so that you can only use a card that is available to a person

:46:46. > :46:51.over 18. The Transport Secretary went to Dorset to check on

:46:51. > :46:59.preparations for the Olympics. Grand parents to care for their

:46:59. > :47:03.grandchildren ask ministers for more money.

:47:03. > :47:07.This Exeter-based grand parent says she gave up work to look after her

:47:07. > :47:11.grandson. He has been failed by the whole

:47:11. > :47:21.system. The fishing minister says the

:47:21. > :47:23.

:47:23. > :47:32.European Union decision to end cards was a bad move. There will be

:47:32. > :47:36.a benefit. That was our round-up of the Week in 60 seconds.

:47:36. > :47:39.Grandparents that give up work to look after their grand children,

:47:39. > :47:47.often stop them being taken into care, why is there no financial

:47:47. > :47:51.support for them? Why ever not entitled to paid leave? I suspect

:47:51. > :47:54.the reason is whether there is a formal adoption. If the arrangement

:47:54. > :47:59.is informal it is difficult for the state to judge whether it is

:47:59. > :48:03.permanent, whether the child may eventually go back to their parents.

:48:03. > :48:06.But those who take formal adoption and formal guardianship of the

:48:06. > :48:16.children should have the same rights as those who adopt or foster

:48:16. > :48:19.

:48:19. > :48:26.or have children at birth. Is this an anomaly? Yes and the degree. --

:48:26. > :48:31.yes I agree. Grand parents are helping in a big