:01:24. > :01:34.In the South West: The Government announces plans for more windfarms
:01:34. > :01:34.
:01:34. > :39:09.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2255 seconds
:39:09. > :39:13.and more power stations and it says Hello. I'm Martyn Oates. Coming up
:39:13. > :39:15.on the Sunday Politics in the South West. Should these fields in an
:39:15. > :39:18.Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty be covered with concrete? I'm
:39:18. > :39:21.joined this week by Stephanie McWilliam, who was UKIP's candidate
:39:21. > :39:30.in South East Cornwall at the last general election. And Gary Streeter,
:39:30. > :39:33.the Conservative MP for South West Devon. A welcome both. The most
:39:33. > :39:36.talked about vote last week took place not in the House of Commons
:39:36. > :39:39.but a couple of streets away at Church House, where the General
:39:39. > :39:42.Synod of the Church of England voted not to approve women bishops.
:39:42. > :39:46.That's despite the fact that almost all the existing male bishops
:39:46. > :39:53.support the idea. So do a lot of MPs, including our own Ben Bradshaw,
:39:53. > :39:55.who tried to draw the Prime Minister into the row. Given that
:39:55. > :39:59.the Church of England is the established Church, will he
:39:59. > :40:03.consider what this Parliament can do to win sure that the
:40:03. > :40:11.overwhelming well of members of the Church of England and this country
:40:11. > :40:16.is respected? I will look carefully at what he says. But the Church has
:40:16. > :40:20.its own processes and elections, hard for some obviously wonder
:40:20. > :40:26.stand, and we have to respect individual institutions and their
:40:26. > :40:32.decisions. Garrett, you are a Christian, do you think Parliament
:40:32. > :40:38.should intervene? Not really. I am disappointed in the decision and
:40:38. > :40:42.the Church of England risks making itself relevant in the 21st century
:40:42. > :40:46.and most it a cannot understand this. Women should be bishops. They
:40:46. > :40:50.need to reconsider. I don't want the newt Archbishop to get bogged
:40:50. > :40:55.down with this but I hope you can find a short track to solve this
:40:55. > :40:59.problem. The Church of England is established Church, created by
:40:59. > :41:05.Parliament and is ultimately governed by Parliament. There is a
:41:05. > :41:14.strong legal case? I suppose we could do it, we are sovereign. But
:41:14. > :41:21.that would render their church in two. I hope they can resolve this
:41:21. > :41:24.themselves. But I understand those who are against this, the biblical
:41:24. > :41:28.authority, some poor people should not be a -- some people think women
:41:28. > :41:34.should ultimately not be bishops. I interpret the scriptures in light
:41:34. > :41:38.of current culture. It is time to think again. Stephanie, you believe
:41:38. > :41:43.in the absolute sovereignty of Parliament? Should they not
:41:43. > :41:47.exercise that? The is a difficult issue. I understand the argument
:41:47. > :41:50.from 20 years ago, when it was about ordaining women priests. I
:41:51. > :41:54.did not agree but I could understand what they were coming
:41:54. > :41:58.from and I do not understand, if you have women priests, why not
:41:58. > :42:03.bishops? They it was about safeguards. You could still have
:42:03. > :42:07.people who were only subject to male bishops. But the head of the
:42:08. > :42:12.Church is the Queen, who is a woman. She is the head of the Church. If
:42:12. > :42:16.we have women priests and we have a woman as the head of the Church, I
:42:16. > :42:20.don't understand. But it is a matter for the Church, because the
:42:20. > :42:30.risk is that she will make a difficult situation a lot worse if
:42:30. > :42:30.
:42:30. > :42:33.Parliament intervenes. Back to the mainstream politics! On Monday, the
:42:33. > :42:35.Prime Minister said he was determined to make it easier to
:42:35. > :42:37.build big infrastructure projects like incinerators, power stations
:42:37. > :42:40.and windfarms. On Thursday the Government made a clear commitment
:42:40. > :42:43.to more wind turbines and more nuclear power stations. Here in the
:42:43. > :42:48.South West, the row over one big energy project is now entering its
:42:48. > :42:51.third decade. John Danks reports. The people of St Dennis in Cornwall
:42:51. > :42:54.didn't like the idea of an incinerator being built on their
:42:54. > :43:02.doorstep. Campaigners challenged the decision to build it, taking
:43:02. > :43:07.their case to the High Court in London, which found in their favour.
:43:07. > :43:14.The Secretary of State appealed and the incinerator got the go-ahead.
:43:14. > :43:19.So has this community's six-year fight come to an end? Not quite.
:43:19. > :43:23.have not given up, no Sir. Until every stone has been unturned. No
:43:23. > :43:26.doubt about that. On Tuesday they presented a new independent report
:43:26. > :43:28.which they claim could make significant savings for the county
:43:28. > :43:37.and offers a waste solution more reliant on sorting and recycling
:43:37. > :43:44.than burying or burning. How can they possibly turn a blind eye to
:43:44. > :43:48.the possible savings of �320 million over 20 years? At the end
:43:48. > :43:51.of the day, the taxpayer will have something to say about that.
:43:51. > :43:53.Earlier this week, David Cameron told a CBI conference he would like
:43:53. > :44:00.to see fewer judicial reviews being granted where big infrastructure
:44:00. > :44:03.projects were concerned. urgently need to get a group on
:44:03. > :44:07.this and it will charge more for reviews so people think twice about
:44:07. > :44:11.time-wasting and instead of giving up as cases up to four bytes of the
:44:11. > :44:14.cherry, we will cut that in half. The Prime Minister isn't just
:44:14. > :44:16.talking incinerators. He wants to simplify the planning of large and
:44:16. > :44:20.sometimes controversial schemes which could include windfarms or
:44:20. > :44:24.major road projects. The PM says the number of judicial reviews has
:44:24. > :44:28.tripled in the last decade. Too many, he says, are completely
:44:28. > :44:36.pointless. One South West solicitor told us the vast majority of last
:44:36. > :44:42.year's planning judicial reviews ended in failure. 2000, 200 fell
:44:42. > :44:48.into the other category, including planning and of this, 500 odd cases
:44:48. > :44:53.got permission to bring their judicial review to the full hearing
:44:53. > :44:57.and 87 of those decisions were found to be unlawful and were sent
:44:57. > :44:59.back to the decision maker, who originally made this. But the MP
:44:59. > :45:05.who backed his constituents fight in St Dennis doesn't want
:45:05. > :45:08.safeguards in the planning process to be eroded. I have got a real
:45:08. > :45:11.concern that we are in danger of restricting the community's
:45:11. > :45:16.legitimate right to raise concerns about the decision-making process
:45:16. > :45:21.and in many cases, the process can go as wrong as the decision and we
:45:21. > :45:25.have to be careful that we allow local communities to be able to
:45:25. > :45:28.mount challenges to decisions that they don't agree with or are
:45:28. > :45:31.unwelcome. Cornwall Council told us they welcomed the Prime Minister's
:45:31. > :45:33.proposals to reduce the number of judicial reviews where planning is
:45:33. > :45:36.involved. In response to the alternative waste proposal, they
:45:37. > :45:39.said it would take around nine years to form a new waste policy
:45:39. > :45:49.involving more public consultation and cost around �90 million in
:45:49. > :45:57.
:45:57. > :46:01.Isn't this trampling over local isn't? This will make no difference
:46:01. > :46:11.to the planning and the ability to object. It won't change the right
:46:11. > :46:11.
:46:11. > :46:15.of appeal. David Cameron is simply talking about the next level of
:46:15. > :46:19.complaint, judicial review and these things have grown in the last
:46:19. > :46:25.10 years, they are already expensive and we can get one after
:46:25. > :46:30.another, even if helpless. That is what makes the difference? Not very
:46:30. > :46:34.often. Even France, F building new railway lines through northern
:46:34. > :46:39.France, it'll be done in two years. Here, it goes on for decades
:46:39. > :46:43.because people have the right. France is the most centralised
:46:43. > :46:50.state in Europe? But you have trains that run on time.
:46:50. > :46:55.through localism? This isn't about incinerators, this is about high-
:46:55. > :47:01.speed two. It does not really affect this region. It will affect
:47:02. > :47:05.big scale projects and we haven't seen the details. Stephanie, you
:47:05. > :47:11.kept his devoted to look and listen, what about the way the Government
:47:11. > :47:17.is going about this? Some issues must be decided at a higher level.
:47:17. > :47:20.Actually, when looking at defence and energy and security, but for
:47:21. > :47:24.Cornwall, they should be a plan developed by Cornwall Council that
:47:24. > :47:30.represents the interests of the people. And that force must be
:47:30. > :47:33.heard. At the moment, we have the solution of localism but what we
:47:33. > :47:37.have actually got his councillors hampered because they are told by
:47:37. > :47:43.planning officers that they must accept this and cannot oppose that.
:47:43. > :47:49.There is no point in them calling to committee for an application in
:47:49. > :47:53.the wrong case. With incinerators, because that has gone on for so
:47:53. > :47:57.long, you have complications in the decision-making process, for
:47:57. > :48:02.example, when my father was on Cornwall Council, they argued about
:48:02. > :48:06.an incinerator at St Denis. One of the concerns was the amount of road
:48:06. > :48:12.traffic required to feed that to keep it working efficiently. Along
:48:12. > :48:16.the way, we now have the incinerators going ahead in
:48:16. > :48:21.Plymouth in South West Devon. Now, perhaps, there is the argument for
:48:21. > :48:25.saying, the incinerator, if there must be one, and I don't have a
:48:26. > :48:30.problem, we don't suppose incinerators Birsay, but it perhaps
:48:30. > :48:32.should be further west. In 2010 you said you would have local
:48:32. > :48:42.referendums for things like supermarkets, what about things
:48:42. > :48:45.
:48:45. > :48:48.like incinerators? Yes. That is a dilemma. Nobody will say yes to an
:48:48. > :48:53.incinerator and it to power station and lots of people will not say yes
:48:53. > :48:57.to a wind farm. These things will not be built anywhere? You can get
:48:57. > :49:02.people choices, you can have alternatives other than saying, we
:49:02. > :49:06.are not having this. The alternative is, he will have no
:49:06. > :49:10.energy, you will have no waste- disposal mechanism. That will
:49:10. > :49:14.convince everybody else but but the people who will get the power
:49:14. > :49:21.station because it is a planning issue. For energy security, these
:49:21. > :49:25.things have to happen... National? He would not subject power stations
:49:25. > :49:31.to this? We are looking at the National Energy security issue,
:49:31. > :49:36.those decisions have to be taken at a higher level. Just to talk about
:49:36. > :49:40.energy broadly, we know the broad bones of the Bill and it looks like
:49:40. > :49:47.energy bills will go up substantially for people to pay for
:49:47. > :49:52.more wind farms. That is controversial. Is that right?
:49:52. > :49:55.don't think so, wind farms might already have had their day. In the
:49:55. > :50:00.sense that we have a lot of them and they are producing a very small
:50:00. > :50:05.amount of electricity in it renewable terms, a and I would much
:50:05. > :50:10.prefer to see us investing in wave power and tidal power, offshore.
:50:10. > :50:13.This could lead the country in that. And of course, some of that when
:50:14. > :50:17.incentivise those new products but I don't want to see this country
:50:17. > :50:21.full of wind turbines producing a very small amount of energy.
:50:21. > :50:26.Government does. I am in the glorious position as a Conservative
:50:26. > :50:29.backbencher of sometimes been able to criticise my own government.
:50:29. > :50:34.Well backbenchers continued to put pressure on the Government to
:50:34. > :50:40.change course? Yes, I don't want to keep a pretty wind farms and the
:50:40. > :50:44.energy minister agrees. But not his bus? Or the Prime Minister.
:50:44. > :50:49.should have won the last election outright. That would have been so
:50:49. > :50:54.much better. You are completely opposed to wind, Stephanie. But you
:50:54. > :51:03.would like to see more coal-fired power stations? Recording wind
:51:03. > :51:08.turbines, it isn't about NIMBYs. I don't have a problem. I was on and
:51:08. > :51:14.favour, initially, free energy... I started looking into that in more
:51:14. > :51:17.detail and the more it unravels. They don't work. The on the way in
:51:17. > :51:22.which they are efficient -- they are efficient is in transferring
:51:23. > :51:28.wealth from the poor to the rich. Can use a wristy be recommending
:51:28. > :51:36.further reliance on fossil fuels? - - can you seriously. It is running
:51:36. > :51:39.out. There is plenty of reserves. We are in danger at having a very
:51:39. > :51:45.serious problem with energy security in a knot too distant
:51:45. > :51:49.future, particularly if be relied on wind turbines, wet the fact they
:51:49. > :51:54.disrupt the National Grid, we don't have the infrastructure to cope
:51:54. > :51:58.with that stop start nature. We have to have the back-up for when
:51:58. > :52:02.there is no wind or when the wind blows too strongly. And they have
:52:02. > :52:08.to be stopped because of safety. They don't work on any level. We
:52:08. > :52:12.need an alternative. And we absolutely are dependent as a
:52:12. > :52:16.society on cheaper energy, because too many jobs are going abroad.
:52:16. > :52:19.There is a debate about that but that is another stage. We have to
:52:19. > :52:22.leave it there. Sticking with planning, Cornwall Council is about
:52:22. > :52:26.to consider plans for 48,000 new houses over the next 20 years. The
:52:26. > :52:29.debate, as always, is about whether that's the right number and, if so,
:52:29. > :52:32.where they are going to be built. As Tamsin Melville has been finding
:52:32. > :52:37.out, planning applications are already underway in Areas of
:52:37. > :52:43.Outstanding Natural Beauty. It's a view that would normally put
:52:43. > :52:46.thousands on the price of a house. But not for the proud owner of this
:52:46. > :52:53.affordable home in Flushing near Falmouth. Rebecca Bromley grew up
:52:53. > :52:58.in the village and thought she was going to have to leave. There are
:52:58. > :53:04.houses for rent in the area, not a massive amount. But for the price
:53:04. > :53:09.they are renting, it would have been too expensive to stay. We
:53:09. > :53:16.would have had to move out and move into one of the nearest towns.
:53:16. > :53:19.is it meant you, being able to stay? Really good, and place.
:53:19. > :53:23.Because I'm quite close to my family and it is nice and I wanted
:53:23. > :53:26.my children to grow up where I did. Rebecca's house stands on what was
:53:26. > :53:29.a so-called rural exception site, an area outside a village boundary
:53:29. > :53:32.where planning permission wouldn't normally have been given. But with
:53:32. > :53:35.around 27,000 people on a housing list in Cornwall, the council is
:53:35. > :53:45.keen for sites like this to be used for affordable homes for local
:53:45. > :53:49.
:53:49. > :53:53.people. All of this field. Basically, we are at the green
:53:53. > :53:57.markings. And all of that field. But for Jan Robson in the nearby
:53:57. > :54:00.village of Mylor Bridge, it's a worrying change. I don't even feel
:54:00. > :54:03.we are being listened to now. is campaigning against a proposal
:54:03. > :54:06.for 30 homes on this land opposite her house. As in Flushing, it's
:54:06. > :54:14.outside the village boundary and in an Area of Outstanding Natural
:54:14. > :54:18.Beauty. But here, a third would be sold on the open market. We have
:54:18. > :54:23.got no argument about affordable housing but it would be nice if it
:54:23. > :54:29.was done in smaller areas and developments and possibly,
:54:29. > :54:32.hopefully, on brownfield sites rather than beautiful countryside.
:54:32. > :54:36.Jan questions the accuracy of the council's housing register to
:54:36. > :54:42.measure real local need. But the councillor in charge of housing in
:54:42. > :54:45.Cornwall says growth in places like Mylor Bridge is the future. Being
:54:45. > :54:48.an Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty pushes up the house prices
:54:48. > :54:55.and makes it difficult for local people to get their foot on the
:54:55. > :55:00.housing ladder and these areas should be targeted. We do need to
:55:00. > :55:05.deliver. There is in need in the area and people made to address
:55:05. > :55:09.similar issues across Cornwall in the next 20 years. Cornwall Council
:55:09. > :55:12.is in the process of finalising its local plan, which sets out how many
:55:12. > :55:15.houses are needed and where they should be built over the next 20
:55:15. > :55:20.years. A proposed target of around 48,000 new homes reduces by about
:55:20. > :55:29.20,000 the figure set by the previous government. Despite this,
:55:29. > :55:35.Councillor Kaczmarek expects some battles. We have groups of
:55:35. > :55:39.opponents to housing across Cornwall which are all for it. They
:55:39. > :55:42.oppose virtually every single housing scheme that has put forward.
:55:42. > :55:51.Even affordable housing. Back in Flushing, Rebecca says people who
:55:51. > :55:56.oppose developments like hers need to think again. Every place at the
:55:56. > :56:01.is, the people against the housing, their house is on a piece of grass
:56:01. > :56:05.and it is a failed, so I think inevitably it will all change and
:56:05. > :56:07.things will have to progress and grow so that villages can thrive.
:56:07. > :56:16.Cornwall's local plan will be decided by councillors in December,
:56:16. > :56:22.with it due to go out for public consultation in January. Stephanie,
:56:22. > :56:28.do you question best global number of houses required? Do if it did.
:56:28. > :56:32.As a parish councillor, I've had a classic example. If we look at the
:56:32. > :56:37.Housing Minister, we have one figure for the number of households
:56:37. > :56:42.and the number of homes required and the updated the parish plan and
:56:42. > :56:48.looked at what was required there. What was required was more open
:56:48. > :56:54.market family homes for the parish and our property is suitable for
:56:54. > :56:58.retirement for elderly people. What we have got his every application
:56:58. > :57:01.is for affordable homes, two bedrooms and above, and one of the
:57:01. > :57:08.other needs was for a one-bedroom properties. There is no match
:57:08. > :57:13.between local need, the housing applications coming forward and we
:57:13. > :57:20.are never going to get on top of this problem of the shortage unless
:57:20. > :57:24.we deal with demand. It is no good addressing the supply. What you're
:57:25. > :57:28.saying is, having looked at your manifesto, he seemed to think as a
:57:28. > :57:33.party that the large amount of this extra housing need is from
:57:33. > :57:36.immigrants. That is surely not the case in the south-west? We have a
:57:36. > :57:39.limited amount of correct immigration but we also have a lot
:57:39. > :57:43.of movement from other parts of the UK because the pressure on housing
:57:43. > :57:48.there. A an address from Eastern Europe are driving wealthy people
:57:48. > :57:52.in London to buy homes on the coast in Cornwall? This is what we get
:57:52. > :57:59.into the problem, when you look at housing, you have issues that are
:57:59. > :58:04.related that are connected... Interview, is this chain of events
:58:04. > :58:09.true? No, I don't think emigration is a problem at all. But we do need
:58:09. > :58:13.more houses in this area and there was a good point in that the plan
:58:13. > :58:19.for how many houses should be bottom up. The old regional
:58:19. > :58:21.strategy figures... Is that really what the Coalition is doing? Yes,
:58:21. > :58:26.because actually there is more power for local the authorities to
:58:26. > :58:32.come up with their own plans. that putting the thumbscrews on in
:58:33. > :58:35.a different way? Not at all. I am not aware of that. They his
:58:36. > :58:41.presumption of sustainable development. In Plymouth and the
:58:41. > :58:45.South Hams, it is bottom up housing planning to meet the needs which
:58:45. > :58:48.are clearly on the doorstep. We need more houses and affordable
:58:48. > :58:52.houses and we jolly well have to get on with this. These figures
:58:52. > :58:58.will be judged by the Government ultimately? That's right, you must
:58:58. > :59:02.have control. Some authorities were built no houses at all. As the Hon
:59:02. > :59:06.Lady just said in that piece. Every house is on a piece of land which
:59:06. > :59:09.once was a green field. We need houses around the area, I know that
:59:09. > :59:12.for certain. But the local authorities should determine how
:59:13. > :59:17.many and where they should go. whether jobs are going to come from
:59:17. > :59:27.to provide employment for those people. OK. We must leave it there.
:59:27. > :59:27.
:59:27. > :59:35.Now our regular round-up of the political week in 60 seconds. A
:59:35. > :59:41.week of flooding havoc. He said the canal was going to go and I said,
:59:41. > :59:43.you are joking! And the bank just went. Whoosh! But still no deal
:59:44. > :59:51.between the Government and the insurers to protect householders
:59:51. > :59:58.beyond next summer. Meanwhile, are the floodgates to NHS regional pay
:59:58. > :00:00.about to open? MPs from all parties fight on to keep them closed.
:00:00. > :00:04.Wildlife groups warn that EU money to protect the environment could
:00:04. > :00:10.soon be lost. The Prime Minister heads to Brussels to try to hold on
:00:10. > :00:13.to it. As the Chief Constable of Avon and Somerset stands down,
:00:13. > :00:19.Yeovil's MP says the new Police Commissioners should work hard to
:00:19. > :00:22.make sure they don't lose top performers. And broadband bliss for
:00:22. > :00:32.Devon and Somerset as the European Commission approves a super-fast
:00:32. > :00:38.
:00:38. > :00:43.upgrade, just like Cornwall's. This flood deal was promised in June or
:00:43. > :00:46.July originally. It is getting desperate? It's very important and
:00:46. > :00:50.it's very complicated and it is desperate. More and more flooding
:00:50. > :00:54.and the main thing we must do and the Government will do a deal with
:00:54. > :01:00.insurance companies, I'm sure that will happen. But we must build no
:01:00. > :01:06.more houses on flood plains and we still have not heard that lesson.
:01:06. > :01:11.We absolutely... I agree about building and flood plains, why are
:01:11. > :01:15.we not saying, firstly, brownfield sites must we used before any
:01:15. > :01:19.agricultural land. Agricultural land isn't only required for food
:01:19. > :01:23.production, it is also needed to absorb the rainfall. If we shall
:01:23. > :01:27.have more extreme weather, would be not be better spending the money
:01:27. > :01:35.that is going into subsidising wind turbines on flood relief schemes
:01:35. > :01:37.and prevention, on mitigation for any changes. Quickly, wasn't the
:01:37. > :01:41.idea that Police and Crime Commissioner has should be getting
:01:41. > :01:45.Chief Constable to apply for their jobs immediately? Yes, each
:01:45. > :01:49.individual commissioner will do what they think is right in their
:01:49. > :01:53.locality and if any Chief Constable decides not to apply for the job,
:01:53. > :01:57.that is a personal choice but over the medium term, this will involve