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:01:14. > :01:24.flagship government policy which was supposed to solve our housing

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:01:25. > :32:49.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 1884 seconds

:32:49. > :32:54.crisis. One of Devon's new says localism as a myth.

:32:54. > :33:01.I am joined by the newly elected Labour councillor Candy Atherton,

:33:01. > :33:04.congratulations to you, and the Lib Dem MP Adrian Sanders. Let us start

:33:04. > :33:11.with something which wasn't in the Queens speech.

:33:11. > :33:16.Minimum alcohol pricing. Opponents warned that by dropping it, they

:33:16. > :33:22.risk sending out the wrong message about public health. This goes

:33:22. > :33:28.towards what this is doing to our communities. We note that there are

:33:28. > :33:33.studied hundred 5000 children in this country living with a dependent

:33:33. > :33:41.strength. Not just a hazardous or harmful drinker but someone who is

:33:41. > :33:45.dependent on alcohol. Why was minimum pricing of alcohol dropped

:33:45. > :33:53.from the Queen's Speech? Is it anything to do with the threat from

:33:53. > :33:57.UKIP and needs to bring in new emigration measures? It is to do

:33:57. > :34:06.with the evidence not being there and there are better ways to tackle

:34:06. > :34:12.problems. The problem is irresponsible deals offered by

:34:12. > :34:18.clubs, pubs and supermarkets. are happy to see minimum pricing

:34:18. > :34:23.getting dropped from the agenda? think minimum pricing as a red

:34:23. > :34:33.herring. It is not in the interests of any government to increase the

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:34:37. > :34:47.cost of something that most people use quite responsibly. David Davis

:34:47. > :34:57.says we need to get away from a perception of the government all

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:35:00. > :35:05.being its audience. I think there are better ways of tackling the

:35:05. > :35:12.problem of alcohol abuse and putting up the price for everyone. Has the

:35:12. > :35:19.government done the right thing? Absolutely not. They caved in to the

:35:19. > :35:27.lobbying from the alcohol industry. Our pubs are struggling cause the

:35:27. > :35:29.competing with supermarkets. Do rerelease want to see all of our

:35:29. > :35:35.pubs closed down because supermarkets cynically puts out

:35:35. > :35:45.cheap alcohol which will take out the pubs. The tax would put the

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:35:46. > :35:51.price up for alcohol and pubs as well. You caved in! Do you think

:35:51. > :35:58.there has been a reaction to UKIP and the need to be seen to be

:35:58. > :36:02.pushing emigration measures? That might be but there is far more.

:36:02. > :36:07.There was lobbying to make sure that the government didn't put this

:36:08. > :36:12.through. Lots of money spent by the big companies.

:36:13. > :36:16.We have to move on. Localism is one of the government's flagship

:36:16. > :36:22.policies and we were told it would provide answers to how many houses

:36:22. > :36:29.to build and where to build them. But one newly elected councillor

:36:29. > :36:34.feels that localism as a myth. She thinks the disillusionment on the

:36:34. > :36:38.doorstep goes some way to explaining her thumping majority.

:36:38. > :36:43.Localism is meant to bring power back to communities but here in East

:36:43. > :36:49.Devon there is a sense of disillusionment with the Prime

:36:49. > :36:55.Minister 's flagship policy. I think localism is a myth and when the

:36:55. > :36:59.Conservatives started talking about it, I was as excited as anybody and

:36:59. > :37:04.thought how wonderful and how sensible. It seemed like a whole new

:37:04. > :37:09.era but it seems like things have changed grammatically. Development

:37:09. > :37:14.is a big issue around here. On the doorstep people were talking about

:37:14. > :37:21.that because they were saying, whatever we object to, it will

:37:21. > :37:27.happen anyway. One-man mould his lawn in support of an independent

:37:27. > :37:34.candidate. There's been no development at all people do not get

:37:34. > :37:39.listened to. Claire Wright took the Ottery St Mary seat with a massive

:37:39. > :37:44.74% share. But then any other council in the Devon County

:37:44. > :37:50.elections. I've knocked on hundreds of doors and I've got a good

:37:50. > :37:56.response from most people so I hope to be elected but I was completely

:37:56. > :38:03.staggered by the results. Claire has been fighting plans to build 130

:38:03. > :38:10.homes on the site. Planning application was submitted over a

:38:10. > :38:15.year ago and the council rejected it. Everyone agreed that the best

:38:15. > :38:22.site for housing was on the West, where the links to the A30 were

:38:22. > :38:30.better. The scheme was approved on appeal because the council couldn't

:38:30. > :38:35.prove that it had a five-year housing supply. This is a classic

:38:35. > :38:44.example of supply not working. People have said they want

:38:44. > :38:48.development on the other side of Ottery St Mary. We are currently

:38:48. > :38:57.looking at a 40% increase in the size of the village which is

:38:57. > :39:07.completely unsustainable. Susie Bond is the newly dead work -- newly

:39:07. > :39:08.

:39:08. > :39:18.elected independent councillor here. I admit that it looks a bit over the

:39:18. > :39:18.

:39:18. > :39:22.top, saying things like if I can't get you planning then nobody will.

:39:22. > :39:32.The police investigations into his actions are ongoing. More than half

:39:32. > :39:33.

:39:33. > :39:39.the village turned out. I don't think it was as much to do but

:39:39. > :39:49.conservatives as the fact that he ran a planning consultancy. Whether

:39:49. > :39:57.the two are linked, we are yet to find out. The row over how many

:39:57. > :40:03.homes should be built in this area is far from being settled.

:40:03. > :40:10.We are joined by the Conservative leader of East Devonshire Council.

:40:10. > :40:14.We have some strong comments there. One man said people don't get

:40:14. > :40:18.listened to. They don't believe that local people are being allowed to

:40:18. > :40:28.make planning permission is at a local level. What do you say to

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:40:32. > :40:39.that? Localism isn't dead as such. Both those ladies are to be

:40:39. > :40:48.congratulated on doing so well in the elections. The planning

:40:48. > :40:58.Inspectorate turned our decision down. It went to appeal and was

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:41:00. > :41:08.taken on. It Mac that is the point then that localism didn't work.

:41:08. > :41:15.Where does that leave localism, the big flagship Tory policy if these

:41:15. > :41:21.local decisions and being listened to? I think it is a Westminster

:41:21. > :41:24.issue rather than one we have done here. We like to work with our local

:41:24. > :41:34.communities. I have enormous sympathy with the people of then

:41:34. > :41:39.

:41:39. > :41:48.attend. -- Feniton. This kind of road is not limited to East Devon.

:41:48. > :41:56.Where do you believe this leaves East Devon. We have top-down housing

:41:56. > :42:00.targets being brought in by the back door. We haven't got localism yet

:42:00. > :42:08.and the planning applications you referred to were before the bill

:42:08. > :42:11.came in. We have local councils putting together their plans...

:42:11. > :42:18.plans were supposed to be in by March and this has been turned down

:42:18. > :42:25.postmarks. That is a problem for the council. Can I just ask the

:42:25. > :42:31.council... They would have been able to turn them down and that is the

:42:31. > :42:34.point of localism. If you had got your plans on, the planning

:42:34. > :42:40.Inspectorate wouldn't have been able to turn them down. Why didn't you

:42:40. > :42:45.get them in by March? We went through a year-long consultation

:42:45. > :42:50.process and wanted to make sure that it would reflect the wishes of

:42:51. > :42:58.people. Are you just fighting it? You don't want to be responsible for

:42:58. > :43:02.building an unpopular areas? There was a considerable amount of

:43:02. > :43:11.consultation in order to get the best possible reflection of local

:43:11. > :43:16.interests. Other areas are using it properly by getting the consultation

:43:16. > :43:24.done in the proper time. There is double protection against the

:43:24. > :43:28.planning inspector getting involved. What you make of this whole row?

:43:28. > :43:36.don't want to get involved in the Devon Road because I am representing

:43:36. > :43:44.Cornwall. You now have the opportunity to make decisions at the

:43:44. > :43:49.local level, do you believe that? think there are people that feel

:43:49. > :43:53.that there is a lot of housing going on in that they had not been

:43:53. > :44:01.involved in the planning of. I would say to the government that this is

:44:01. > :44:06.not the time to stall all housing. We are now building the same amount

:44:07. > :44:13.that we did in the 1920s. It has been a cliff face fall of housing.

:44:13. > :44:17.We are desperate for houses that we can afford. What would you say to

:44:17. > :44:22.that point, that we shouldn't have abandoned national housing targets?

:44:22. > :44:32.I think the point is that people cannot afford to buy cause wages are

:44:32. > :44:35.low. We are certainly trying to get the housing market moving again but

:44:35. > :44:42.were candy is right and I have been on this programme many times before

:44:42. > :44:49.and said, is that we should be building for local needs, not for

:44:49. > :44:55.local developers in order to market outside the area. So why in the

:44:55. > :45:03.budget at the core Lycian put forward a ban on to people who want

:45:04. > :45:08.to buy a second home? It is nonsense. It is not for people but

:45:08. > :45:18.wants to buy a second home. It is so that all of us who want to own our

:45:18. > :45:18.

:45:18. > :45:27.own home get help. The minister said he would not want to see this

:45:27. > :45:34.happen. Have you any examples of people using money that smacked

:45:34. > :45:38.using the scheme to buy a second home? You have made a decision in

:45:38. > :45:48.Cornwall that 45,000 homes will be built in the next few years. Well

:45:48. > :45:57.that's all the housing crisis? Not necessarily. If we're going to have

:45:57. > :46:03.executive -style homes rather than homes that may be smaller to reflect

:46:03. > :46:10.the changing lifestyles were saying, then it won't be. It has got to be a

:46:10. > :46:16.mixture. I'll go back to Paul briefly. Rather than see 130 homes

:46:17. > :46:22.to be slapped on the edge of Exeter, got even more local, 20

:46:22. > :46:30.homes in a very small locality where people agree where to put them.

:46:30. > :46:38.terms of the local plan, people don't want to see any development

:46:38. > :46:44.beyond five. There are one or two exceptions to that. We haven't quite

:46:44. > :46:48.got time to go any further but thank you very much for joining us.

:46:48. > :46:54.It is more than one week since the local elections but we still do not

:46:55. > :46:58.know all which party or parties will run Cornwall. There is talk of the

:46:58. > :47:03.rainbow alliance between all the political groups but the recent

:47:03. > :47:10.massive row about whether to put up council tax or cut services is fresh

:47:10. > :47:20.in many peoples minds and awkward compromises seem on the cards.

:47:20. > :47:34.

:47:34. > :47:38.There were shocks, surprises... insured. And celebrations. Last

:47:38. > :47:41.weeks local elections in Cornwall delivered them all. But as the dust

:47:41. > :47:51.settles, it is time to get down to business. The biggest players in

:47:51. > :47:52.

:47:52. > :47:56.County Hall or no the Lib Dems with 36 seats. This means that the

:47:56. > :48:00.council is under no overall control and that means that the deal needs

:48:00. > :48:05.to be done. Earlier this week, the leader of the Lib Dem group

:48:05. > :48:11.announced they were seeking an alliance made up of all the parties.

:48:11. > :48:16.I think it is a case of us having to find a way to work together and I am

:48:16. > :48:21.pretty optimistic about it. We have had constructive conversations.

:48:21. > :48:29.would have thought that the established parties might have ended

:48:29. > :48:39.up courting UKIP? There have been some informal approaches. We are all

:48:39. > :48:44.

:48:44. > :48:49.here for the same reason so it won't heart well it, a bit of Corporation.

:48:49. > :48:56.She seems to be hedging her bets when she spoke to me. It may need to

:48:56. > :49:01.be done but we will be looking at what is the best thing we can do for

:49:01. > :49:09.Cornwall. Independents say that they have collectively agreed to derail

:49:09. > :49:13.bore alliance. The main parties have yet to decide their position so we

:49:13. > :49:17.have been speaking to the groups and finding out how they feel. But it

:49:17. > :49:27.wasn't so long ago that there were deep divisions between the groups.

:49:27. > :49:28.

:49:28. > :49:38.Most of the independents refused to back the budget measures. It sort

:49:38. > :49:39.

:49:39. > :49:44.big cuts to adult and children's services. It is an insult.The horse

:49:44. > :49:52.trading at County Hall should be over by the 1st of May. That is when

:49:52. > :49:57.a new leader will be elected. We are now joined by former Cornwall

:49:57. > :50:01.Council member who left the Conservatives because of what he

:50:01. > :50:06.called the cynical party politics in the budget. He lost his seat in the

:50:06. > :50:16.recent election. Welcome to the programme. A rainbow alliance sounds

:50:16. > :50:18.

:50:18. > :50:22.like quite a good solution, doesn't it? It is an excellent idea. It was

:50:22. > :50:32.first proposed in 2009 and was rejected by the Liberal Democrats.

:50:32. > :50:36.

:50:36. > :50:43.We come back to talking about integrity in party politics.

:50:43. > :50:46.likely is it that the coalition will be formed? I think if no coalition

:50:46. > :50:54.is formed then we might as well have another election because the council

:50:54. > :50:58.will be unmanageable. There would be no guaranteed policy. There is a lot

:50:58. > :51:05.of antagonism within the different groups so could it even work?

:51:05. > :51:12.is a lot of history, not just for this particular council but for

:51:12. > :51:22.previous councils. But I would call on any political party to put the

:51:22. > :51:22.

:51:22. > :51:25.candidates -- the people first. would rather the money was spent on

:51:25. > :51:34.adult social care than on an election. Had he been approached to

:51:34. > :51:39.take part in the alliance? We all had an e-mail which looked like

:51:39. > :51:44.something that was written on the back of an envelope. It was

:51:44. > :51:48.regrettable. This is about Cornwall Council is coming up with a

:51:48. > :51:54.solution. Having been told by the electorate that they didn't want any

:51:54. > :52:02.particular party. We did well by going from zero to eight right

:52:02. > :52:08.across the country -- Co. Decisions have been made and the budget has

:52:08. > :52:15.been cut so will you now see cuts to services? There have already been

:52:15. > :52:24.cuts. Which services makes no supper? Adult care will be cut and a

:52:24. > :52:29.number of areas. Background staff will be cut. I am a new counsellor

:52:29. > :52:35.so I need to go through everything with a fine tooth comb. What about

:52:35. > :52:42.scrutiny? If all members are taking part in a rainbow alliance, there

:52:42. > :52:46.will be no opposition, will there? Who will scrutinise from within?

:52:46. > :52:53.have no doubt that anyone who is not any position executive power will

:52:53. > :53:02.scrutinise those who are. Local government is fixed term and if you

:53:02. > :53:06.don't agree then things will go on for ever. The danger is handing

:53:06. > :53:13.council control to the officers. will probably come back to that any

:53:13. > :53:23.different programme. It is time for our round-up of the

:53:23. > :53:23.

:53:23. > :53:29.political week. Protesters gathered at Cornwall

:53:29. > :53:34.Council angry at the re-elections of Colin Brewer, the councillor who

:53:34. > :53:44.said that disabled children should be put down. I think Colin Brewer's

:53:44. > :53:49.

:53:49. > :53:55.column names -- comments were disgusting and he's now trying to

:53:55. > :53:58.make a joke out of it. New figures show a big rise in the number of

:53:58. > :54:05.children in care since the Baby P scandal.

:54:05. > :54:09.And Dorset it is up by almost 500%. The National Union of Teachers spoke

:54:09. > :54:14.out against the rising number of academies in the region. They are

:54:14. > :54:19.still unproven. Our finding an increasing number of areas are still

:54:19. > :54:24.having difficulties. When they go into those that are called these,

:54:24. > :54:29.they don't have the structure that local authorities have to help them

:54:29. > :54:32.get out of it. I want to ask you briefly about the

:54:32. > :54:37.re-election of Colin Brewer, the councillor who made headlines by

:54:37. > :54:47.saying that disabled children should be put down. People voted him back

:54:47. > :54:51.

:54:51. > :54:54.in, that's the Democratic process, should the witchhunt continue?

:54:54. > :55:04.think it would be very difficult for him to continue as a counsellor but

:55:04. > :55:09.I do not agree with our witchhunt. Why did he get back in? It is not

:55:09. > :55:13.the products you can take back to the shop. Whoever is elected is

:55:14. > :55:18.there for their term of office and it is better to find out more about