:01:26. > :01:29.Under in the south: Well a government's new police and crime
:01:29. > :01:39.commission has really make policing more accountable to local voters?
:01:39. > :01:39.
:01:39. > :29:56.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 1696 seconds
:29:56. > :29:59.Or will it just the expense of jobs Hi, I'm Peter Henley. Coming up in
:29:59. > :30:04.the south: So who do you want running the police?
:30:04. > :30:07.This month, the government has been trumpeting -- triumph in their
:30:07. > :30:11.scheme for electing police crime commission us who they say will be
:30:11. > :30:16.more accountable. But will it really put more bobbies on the
:30:16. > :30:20.beat? To discuss all that I'm this -- I'm joined by the Conservative
:30:20. > :30:30.MP for Winchester and the Labour MEP for the south-east of England.
:30:30. > :30:30.
:30:30. > :30:38.And somebody with motorists interest. Yes, campaigning against
:30:38. > :30:46.any changes to laws he might make scooter and motorcycle riders more
:30:46. > :30:56.difficult to enjoy. Let's have a look at this clipped and see if you
:30:56. > :31:05.
:31:05. > :31:10.It was a tough day! It was a cold day. His guinea easily be accused
:31:10. > :31:13.of doing a stunt. I actually said something nice about the Big issue,
:31:13. > :31:19.people with the Big issue in Southampton came back and said
:31:19. > :31:26.would you like to come and Senate, be a guest seller for a morning. --
:31:26. > :31:30.and sell it? It was really interesting. Fascinating seeing all
:31:31. > :31:37.the different ways people will avoid you. Some people pretended
:31:37. > :31:43.they were on their phones. And your constituency has the squeezed
:31:43. > :31:48.middle. Harriet Harman said people who are financially squeezed in the
:31:48. > :31:54.region like ours with high housing costs or high cost-of-living are
:31:54. > :31:58.particularly disadvantaged. Yes, those who are in the lower part of
:31:58. > :32:05.the bracket that are aspiring to better jobs are finding it really
:32:05. > :32:11.difficult to make ends meet. I think the south-east is the richest
:32:11. > :32:17.part of the United Kingdom but suffers from needing to attract
:32:17. > :32:22.people to come down here. And it was completely ignored when Labour
:32:22. > :32:28.was in of first. Everything went to the middle and then all. That's not
:32:28. > :32:32.true. People got family credit, we went to Brown areas with housing
:32:32. > :32:38.bills because quite often we found Conservative areas would not allow
:32:38. > :32:46.building in particular areas. And when we need houses, we need
:32:46. > :32:52.services, because we need people to be populated in that area. Labour
:32:52. > :32:57.is worried about this week middle in this part of the world.
:32:57. > :33:01.course. Politicians don't sit in Westminster unaware of this. We go
:33:01. > :33:05.to supermarkets as well, you know. It cost us a fortune as well. We
:33:05. > :33:12.are well aware of the high cost of living right now and the cost of
:33:12. > :33:18.inflation. And you are cutting benefits. Well, we are reforming
:33:18. > :33:22.benefits, yes. We are putting a cap on benefits. I would defend at all
:33:22. > :33:27.away. But I would say, at the end of the day, what we have to make
:33:27. > :33:30.sure we do is keep costs down in this country. If we lose control of
:33:30. > :33:35.public finances and interest rates go up in this country, Citizens'
:33:35. > :33:38.Advice Bureau was saying the other day that even a 1% rise in interest
:33:38. > :33:45.rates would have a devastating impact on family finances because
:33:45. > :33:49.of what it would do to mortgages. Young families, like mine, who are
:33:49. > :33:54.finding it hard to make ends meet the Munch -- each month, the last
:33:54. > :33:59.thing we need is interest rates to go up. So don't underestimate the
:33:59. > :34:03.importance of a government that has a grip on finances. We will talk
:34:03. > :34:08.more about this in due course. Now, if you are a football supporter,
:34:08. > :34:12.and probably even if you are not, you will have been following the
:34:12. > :34:15.extraordinary roller-coaster that has been Portsmouth's financial and
:34:15. > :34:19.ownership issues over the last couple of years. The latest twist
:34:19. > :34:23.is that the club has been issued a winding-up petition on account of
:34:23. > :34:28.an unpaid tax bill. But is relying on businessman with deep pockets,
:34:28. > :34:32.or sometimes not so deep pockets - the best way to finance our top
:34:32. > :34:40.clubs? Joining me now is Steve Tovey from the Grand Prix
:34:40. > :34:43.Supporters Trust. This is a net excellent example of the way
:34:43. > :34:53.financial instability is affecting the game. What should be done about
:34:53. > :34:54.
:34:54. > :34:58.it? I think governments should be introduced nationwide. And that
:34:58. > :35:02.would stop certain sorts of people from investing in certain ways?
:35:02. > :35:05.wouldn't stop it, but it would give the fans own interest and a legal
:35:05. > :35:09.right to have a say in their community club and the way in which
:35:09. > :35:13.it is run it they don't actually own it out right. And you would
:35:13. > :35:17.still like to see a fan on the board? What difference would that
:35:17. > :35:22.make? It would give the man in the street a voice through his local
:35:22. > :35:26.trust and a feeling of belonging to the community that his club is the
:35:26. > :35:32.centre of. Because everyone who is a member of a supporters trust has
:35:32. > :35:35.a vote for the people who are elected and those people are then
:35:35. > :35:43.answerable and accountable so you get transparency from the port
:35:43. > :35:47.right the way through to the man in the street. -- from the board.
:35:47. > :35:51.current debacle is to do with the Inland Revenue. Do you think they
:35:51. > :35:57.are being too tough, or is it just that there one of the creditors and
:35:57. > :36:02.they have acted in this way? It is the top of the iceberg, in effect.
:36:02. > :36:06.The club's problems are deep-seated and way beyond just the Inland
:36:06. > :36:11.Revenue. Part of the football governance bill was to actually do
:36:11. > :36:16.away with it the creditors with the football club preferential
:36:16. > :36:22.creditors. The fact that football clubs can get by not paying revenue
:36:22. > :36:29.in the first place - it is all part and parcel of that and bringing it
:36:29. > :36:33.into the 21st century. In Europe, the Parliament is talking about the
:36:33. > :36:37.democratic role of fans been something that could be encouraged.
:36:37. > :36:41.Are you in favour of that? Is a mass membership organisations,
:36:41. > :36:45.sometimes bigger than political parties in some countries. So these
:36:45. > :36:48.people have a crucial interesting what happens in that club. So
:36:49. > :36:53.giving him some idea about what direction that club is moving in
:36:53. > :36:57.would be essential. I'm in favour of a change in economic ownership
:36:57. > :37:01.of the clubs. It would be nice to see it happen across the unit --
:37:01. > :37:05.across the European Union as well. You could do that if they were
:37:05. > :37:08.agreement in clubs to allow something of a mutual agreement co-
:37:08. > :37:13.operative. It would be an opportunity for Portsmouth to get
:37:13. > :37:16.away from some of its current miseries. Did you had fans on the
:37:16. > :37:20.board, they would have divided loyalties, wouldn't they? On the
:37:20. > :37:25.one hand having to take commercial decisions, and on the other, having
:37:25. > :37:29.to answer to the other fans. They can argue the case that is being
:37:29. > :37:34.put forward and proposed. They would have a vote just like anybody
:37:34. > :37:40.who disagrees on any family business board or anything. I don't
:37:40. > :37:43.think it would be divided loyalties. Steve, you are naturally against
:37:43. > :37:48.regulation I would have thought. Is this one area where we need more
:37:48. > :37:53.regulation? Potentially, yes. The whole point about there being a fit
:37:53. > :37:55.and proper persons test for people who run football clubs, which is
:37:55. > :38:00.administered by the Football Association, which has hardly
:38:00. > :38:02.covered itself in glory this week, that is clearly not working. You
:38:03. > :38:07.cannot blame the supporters, because when somebody comes along
:38:07. > :38:11.and promises lots of things, you cannot blame the fans for being
:38:11. > :38:15.excited. But clearly something has gone wrong on that fit and proper
:38:15. > :38:18.persons test. This week, a report was released and there was a debate
:38:18. > :38:23.in Westminster about this. They were talking about the creditors
:38:23. > :38:28.list and turning it on its head, because at the moment all big boys
:38:28. > :38:32.get paid and all local suppliers, the charities, people who rely on a
:38:32. > :38:36.will or club in a city like Portsmouth, they miss out. It is
:38:36. > :38:46.desperately unfair. I should declare that I am a Spurs fan! We
:38:46. > :38:49.have something in common with Portsmouth. Just one last thought,
:38:49. > :38:53.wouldn't it will be a bit slow moving if you had fans
:38:53. > :38:58.democratically running clubs? In the end, the quick moving teams
:38:58. > :39:05.will be the one who get the right players. A know, but fans will make
:39:05. > :39:08.sure it is the right people running the club at the end of the day.
:39:08. > :39:16.They can own it, but the actual management at board level would be
:39:16. > :39:20.no different. It's just that the fans would feel that they were one
:39:20. > :39:28.accountable and to not down in millions of pounds three years
:39:28. > :39:33.later. This is much more common in other parts of the world. In
:39:33. > :39:35.Germany, much more common than it is here. This week, the Chief
:39:36. > :39:40.Constable of Dorset was warning that cuts to the police budget
:39:40. > :39:43.would have an impact on frontline services. But come November, that
:39:44. > :39:48.sort of public statement will no longer be his responsibility.
:39:48. > :39:54.Instead, it will be down to the police and crime commissioner, or
:39:54. > :39:58.PCC, for door set. This is a new, elected post that the government
:39:58. > :40:03.reckons will increase local accountability. But, as our home
:40:03. > :40:08.affairs correspondent reports, not everyone is quite so convinced.
:40:08. > :40:11.For decades, police officers had served the public and answered to a
:40:11. > :40:14.chief constable. And the Chief Constable is kept in check by a
:40:14. > :40:22.board of councillors and independent members who decide when
:40:22. > :40:26.and how the money should be spent. But that is about to change. The
:40:26. > :40:30.government has come up with a new system similar to America's each
:40:30. > :40:36.force will have one directly elected police commissioner. They
:40:36. > :40:40.went control police operations, but they will control the forces -- the
:40:40. > :40:43.4th's multi-million-pound budget. It creates a visible link between
:40:43. > :40:47.the elected officer and the people and means that people are put in
:40:47. > :40:55.the driving seat. They will have a real say in policing and crime for
:40:55. > :40:59.the first time. Nick Herbert's visit here in Portsmouth is part of
:40:59. > :41:03.a nationwide tour to promote police and crime commission has. His
:41:03. > :41:06.argument is that having one person voted in by the public means that
:41:06. > :41:13.if the public don't like what they're getting in terms of
:41:13. > :41:17.policing, they know who to blame and to devote out next time. Barry
:41:17. > :41:21.was the co-author of a key policy report which recommended direct
:41:21. > :41:25.elections as a way of improving police accountability. But he is
:41:25. > :41:28.not convinced that the government has got it right. I think most
:41:28. > :41:33.members of the public are utterly unaware of what is going on and the
:41:33. > :41:36.kind of change which is going to take place. Not that they knew much
:41:36. > :41:41.about police authorities, but I suspect they know even less about
:41:41. > :41:44.police and crime commission has. said it could be tough to attract
:41:44. > :41:48.the calibre of candidates needed, and even then the job could be too
:41:48. > :41:53.much for one person. There is this mechanism which I think really
:41:53. > :41:58.needed to be piloted. It needed to be tested. As it is, now, it is a
:41:59. > :42:02.kind of gigantic leap into the dark. He is not the only one with
:42:02. > :42:06.concerns. Jack Dee is chair of Hampshire Police Authority, which
:42:06. > :42:13.will be abolished when the commissioner takes over in November.
:42:13. > :42:20.Whichever way you look at this, it will criticise policing. Whoever
:42:20. > :42:23.gets elected, they will have got elected on a political mandate.
:42:23. > :42:30.Police and crime at panels will be set up, one for each council, to
:42:30. > :42:35.keep check on the parishioner -- the commissioner. But some people
:42:35. > :42:39.are not convinced. The majority of members on our PCC will be
:42:39. > :42:43.Conservative members as well. So if you have a Conservative
:42:43. > :42:45.commissioner, the people who are holding them to account will be
:42:46. > :42:53.their conservative colleagues. Not necessarily how you would want it
:42:53. > :42:57.to be. Despite reservations, the council has put a name forward for
:42:57. > :43:02.the position. She is one of a handful who have expressed an
:43:02. > :43:05.interest, including several Conservatives. But how well they
:43:06. > :43:08.capture the public interest? It is a challenge, but it is all about
:43:08. > :43:12.talking about priorities and hopefully chiming with people who
:43:12. > :43:17.agree with me that the most important thing about policing is
:43:17. > :43:21.catching criminals and it did -- and deterring crime. It will be key
:43:21. > :43:26.for me to engage the public between now and November, to make sure that
:43:26. > :43:29.all members of the public know just what they are getting. So far, no
:43:29. > :43:35.Liberal Democrats have said they are standing in Hampshire, but some
:43:35. > :43:39.have strong views. One person, probably from a rural area who has
:43:39. > :43:48.no idea what actually happens in areas like Southampton and
:43:48. > :43:53.Portsmouth, places that have high crime and big urban populations,
:43:53. > :43:58.they will have no idea what is going on. Very few people have come
:43:58. > :44:02.forward in the country to say they are interested in doing it. It is a
:44:02. > :44:07.non up job. So the role is a divided opinion. But the law has
:44:07. > :44:10.been passed, so in November, everybody will be asked for the
:44:10. > :44:13.person -- to vote for the person they want to set police priorities
:44:13. > :44:16.in their neighbourhood. So Labour is against it but they
:44:16. > :44:20.will be putting up a candidate. What do you think about this,
:44:21. > :44:26.Peter? In it seems to be more about political control and
:44:26. > :44:30.responsibility. People will be more worried about the money that is not
:44:30. > :44:34.been spent on police forces than actually trying to make it can --
:44:34. > :44:38.time to make it accountable. It is a bit like a disguise of what is
:44:38. > :44:42.really going on. 8,000 police officers have already lost their
:44:42. > :44:46.jobs, it is predicted that by the end of this Parliament, twice as
:44:46. > :44:52.many will have gone. We should not just be adding more bills to this
:44:52. > :44:59.type of service by creating these positions when we had so much --
:44:59. > :45:03.when we have so much to lose. a cover up? No, I do think it is
:45:03. > :45:07.about accountability, though. I make no bones about it, I am not
:45:08. > :45:11.the greatest fan of this policy, but I think it is worth exploring.
:45:11. > :45:21.I have lived in America and seen how it works over there. I think
:45:21. > :45:29.the challenge is about who will do this. Again there should be the
:45:29. > :45:32.fullest possible mandate. I don't see why it has to always be the
:45:32. > :45:42.reserve of political parties. I would love to see independent
:45:42. > :45:47.
:45:47. > :45:51.candidates come forward for the job. What you're saying is... I mean,
:45:51. > :45:54.the elections are in November and we still don't know what the
:45:54. > :46:01.expenses are, how people will advertise this. This is turning
:46:01. > :46:06.into a mess. I don't think it's turning into a mess. The debate was
:46:06. > :46:09.clearly had in the House, the opposition had a chance. That two
:46:09. > :46:13.coalition parties came together and this went through in the House with
:46:13. > :46:18.clear support. I don't think it has been organised very well, no, but
:46:18. > :46:21.at the end of the day whoever gets this job, that is the key thing.
:46:21. > :46:29.The person who gets the job in Hampshire will have to be one
:46:30. > :46:39.almighty diplomat, because you have to do politics with the small
:46:39. > :46:47.letter P. You have to be a super efficient crime officer. It should
:46:47. > :46:57.be decommissioned, this idea! get our regular wind-up of that
:46:57. > :47:02.
:47:02. > :47:06.The annual scramble for beach huts began. Paul council caused a storm
:47:06. > :47:12.with plans to cut their ten-year waiting list by evicting long-term
:47:12. > :47:16.tenants. H S two is heading for judicial
:47:16. > :47:20.review after a county councils joined legal forces with 16 other
:47:20. > :47:24.authorities on the route. The Health Secretary knew where he
:47:24. > :47:32.was going in Winchester, putting a brave face on NHS reform and
:47:32. > :47:37.striding ahead. Or perhaps a swift move to the left! He couldn't put a
:47:38. > :47:43.foot wrong with a hospital medical director. Cold rocks is David
:47:43. > :47:50.Cameron's brother-in-law. The PM to a question from Portsmouth's penny
:47:50. > :47:54.mordant you had looked a lot of stamps to help a cancer patient.
:47:54. > :48:02.And finally it seems a baby boom has swept Hampshire. The council
:48:02. > :48:06.says classrooms are run all the wrong places.
:48:06. > :48:11.And if you spotted Steve underneath the clock, you were there behind
:48:11. > :48:21.penny in the House of Commons! To help Bill, Labour seems to be
:48:21. > :48:24.
:48:24. > :48:29.making progress on it. -- The health bill. The yes, most of the
:48:29. > :48:37.medical profession has said this is an unnecessary bureaucratic burden
:48:37. > :48:43.on the NHS which you read set at a time of coming to power -- which
:48:43. > :48:52.you said when you came to power that you would not do. Already, 500
:48:52. > :48:56.will have lost their jobs. Will it go through, Steve? Yes. I noticed
:48:56. > :49:03.last week, the Faculty of Public Health came out and said we should
:49:03. > :49:08.not go ahead with the bill. They said it would increase disparity
:49:08. > :49:12.and inequalities. For the first time, on the face of the bill, it
:49:12. > :49:17.actually gives the Health Secretary a statutory obligation to reduce
:49:17. > :49:24.health inequality in the country. We are reducing committees, that
:49:24. > :49:32.will reduce bureaucracy. We are not against targets, what we are
:49:32. > :49:36.against is centrally set targets. I'm afraid that's where we have to