:01:27. > :01:31.In the south: we remember the servicemen and women injured
:01:31. > :01:41.overseas but do we forget their families? One charity says
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:01:42. > :31:48.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 1806 seconds
:31:48. > :31:52.Welcome to Sunday Politics South. On today's show: the creative
:31:52. > :31:57.industries earn billions for the country but the number of places to
:31:57. > :32:01.train as an art teacher are going down, while maths and physics are
:32:01. > :32:06.going up. First let me introduce might guesss,
:32:06. > :32:14.Mike Hancock is the Lib Dem MP for Portsmouth and David Willetts is
:32:14. > :32:18.the Conservative MP and minister for universities and science. This
:32:18. > :32:22.week there has been talking Portsmouth about the worry of the
:32:23. > :32:26.warships that have been built there and perhaps they should not be
:32:26. > :32:33.concentrating on Scotland with the Scotland trying to get more
:32:33. > :32:37.independence. That is not the issue. The issue is whether or not we keep
:32:37. > :32:41.shipbuilding in Portsmouth and that is what we are all fighting for and
:32:41. > :32:46.that is what the council and workforce and the majority of
:32:46. > :32:54.people in South Hampshire, they want to retain the capability of
:32:54. > :32:57.building ships for the Royal Navy in the port in Portsmouth.
:32:57. > :33:01.people talk about the nuclear submarines which provide a huge
:33:01. > :33:08.amount of employment in Scotland, would they still stay with
:33:08. > :33:12.independence? They are built in Barrow and maintained in Scotland.
:33:12. > :33:18.The nuclear submarines are a different issue because of the
:33:18. > :33:23.nature of the project. Navy warships should be built in the UK.
:33:23. > :33:29.I am appalled that we have led the contract go off to be bowled in
:33:29. > :33:37.Korea, it is a disaster for the country. Not worried about the
:33:37. > :33:41.Scots? There is an issue. It cannot be in one location. He is being
:33:41. > :33:45.very statesmanlike but the fact is the Lib Dem leader of Portsmouth
:33:45. > :33:50.council said because they are having a referendum the Scots
:33:50. > :33:58.should not be able to carry on with the level of building. That is
:33:58. > :34:03.dangerous to approach the referendum. We don't want English
:34:03. > :34:07.Verses Scots., a you see this problem because you are the
:34:07. > :34:13.Minister for English universities and not Scottish ones and those
:34:13. > :34:20.Scottish universities have a different policy. I am the Minister
:34:20. > :34:24.for teaching in universities in England and the fees regime but I
:34:24. > :34:32.am the Minister for Research and science. We look to invest in the
:34:32. > :34:38.places where science is best. I think we are stronger... Is it
:34:38. > :34:43.getting messy all of this stuff or can you cope with it? We can make
:34:43. > :34:47.it work. In areas like defence and science and research where we are a
:34:47. > :34:57.United Kingdom where we work together as a union and we don't
:34:57. > :35:02.stop playing of England versus Scotland.
:35:02. > :35:05.Four we had a sad reminder this week of the human costs of our
:35:05. > :35:09.military interventions with the death of six soldiers in
:35:09. > :35:13.Afghanistan. Those costss are borne by the families of killed and
:35:13. > :35:18.injured service personnel. Joining me is someone who knows what those
:35:18. > :35:22.costs can be. Julia Moloney is the mother of a serviceman wounded in
:35:22. > :35:26.Afghanistan and she has set up a support group to help other
:35:26. > :35:32.families in the same situation. It is called the report pond. Why is
:35:32. > :35:38.that? One that was when Anthony was injured, it felt like it was the
:35:38. > :35:44.stone into the pond and the reports buried in sizes depending on the
:35:44. > :35:50.closeness of asked to Anthony. Conversely now I want to make this
:35:50. > :35:55.go in the other way, so that I meet someone who comes from sate East
:35:55. > :35:59.Grinstead or Tunbridge Wells and they then set up their own little
:35:59. > :36:06.group there and they meet someone in Kent. I am in Brighton at the
:36:06. > :36:09.moment. I had a mother in all 10, if someone else from Chichester,
:36:09. > :36:15.they might think they can set up they might think they can set up
:36:15. > :36:20.their own support group. They need is just for spouses, mothers and
:36:20. > :36:26.fathers, brothers and sisters? Absolutely. Grandparents. Or the
:36:26. > :36:36.closely related family members. Perhaps the: -- only when I would
:36:36. > :36:38.
:36:38. > :36:45.not include would be children of the injured person. For a child to
:36:45. > :36:51.witness its mother, on-call or something, expressing that may not
:36:51. > :36:57.be helpful for the child. But any family member is welcome. The six
:36:57. > :37:02.deaths just highlight for the country and it was so quiet in the
:37:02. > :37:08.House of Commons when people were paying tribute. Just highlight the
:37:08. > :37:14.dangers faced by people going out there. It, the whole time your
:37:14. > :37:20.child is a way, your husband or wife, it is just eight continual
:37:20. > :37:26.high level of tension and perhaps for the people on the patches they
:37:26. > :37:30.have the support of the patch. For the mothers, brothers, sisters, be
:37:30. > :37:39.extended family not on the patch, it can be very lonely during that
:37:39. > :37:43.time. I can walk down the road and nobody will know that my son was
:37:43. > :37:52.there or is about to be fair. just need that person you can talk
:37:52. > :37:58.to. Absolutely. We heard -- we hear that news of the casualty and as a
:37:58. > :38:07.mother I hope I would here before the press, but I note that my son,
:38:07. > :38:15.his wife won here before the press does and hopefully she will tell me.
:38:15. > :38:20.Your heart goes out to those six families now. And the others, those
:38:20. > :38:24.going out facing those dangers. Julia was involved in this pre-
:38:24. > :38:29.deployment briefing power that so that service families could have a
:38:29. > :38:34.point of contact. Is there more the government could be doing? There is
:38:34. > :38:39.always more and certainly we need to support initiatives like Julia's
:38:39. > :38:44.but if you look at what we do now by way of support for people in
:38:44. > :38:48.these circumstances, it has got a lot better and the Ministry of
:38:48. > :38:52.Defence does try to be compassionate and understanding in
:38:52. > :38:57.these difficult circumstances in which families find themselves.
:38:57. > :39:02.have come a long way in the last 10 years. The situation today is
:39:02. > :39:06.dramatically different to what it was. But there are still a need and
:39:06. > :39:10.Julia's point about the family being involved prior to the
:39:10. > :39:15.department is very important, so they understand what is expected of
:39:15. > :39:20.their sons and daughters who are going and they can read for
:39:20. > :39:25.themselves the issues their children will face. I am delighted
:39:26. > :39:30.at the setting up of this and I am sure there is a continuous need for
:39:30. > :39:35.it. To many, for the six who died there will be 60 seriously injured
:39:35. > :39:39.and they will be living with that and so will their families. Many of
:39:39. > :39:43.these soldiers coming back are in medical treatment for several years
:39:43. > :39:49.and that is a huge burden that has to be shared amongst the family.
:39:49. > :39:54.Anything that can give the family the support they need, the better.
:39:54. > :39:59.Politicians are not in uniform but you are in the chain of command.
:39:59. > :40:06.His was something you take seriously? It is one of the most
:40:06. > :40:10.important decisions that anybody takes in politics and certainly the
:40:10. > :40:17.discussions we had about Libya before the decision we should
:40:17. > :40:24.provide air cover, the Prime Minister, we had everything from
:40:24. > :40:28.the Attorney-General giving legal advice and we could all sense this
:40:28. > :40:37.was not like a normal cabinet, there were serious decisions being
:40:37. > :40:42.taken. Julia, two politicians here, how do you feel that your corner is
:40:42. > :40:47.being defended? The families are being supported? I know that the
:40:47. > :40:51.MoD and all the service charities do everything they can for the
:40:51. > :40:59.families and I had absolutely 100 % faith in that. What I think is
:40:59. > :41:03.needed now and maybe it is already there, but the welfare office in
:41:03. > :41:06.Birmingham if they could produce something similar to a pre-
:41:06. > :41:11.deployment pack that is handed to all family members who come to
:41:12. > :41:17.visit their injured lock one, with a list of all those weary head of
:41:17. > :41:27.services that are waiting to help you, the Data Protection Act
:41:27. > :41:32.
:41:32. > :41:36.prevents them. We are stymied by that and there is a way around it.
:41:36. > :41:40.Thank you for coming in and telling us about it.
:41:40. > :41:43.Students due to start their postgraduate Certificate in
:41:43. > :41:47.Education course in Art at Oxford Brookes University are being told
:41:47. > :41:51.the court has been dropped. The university says it has had to
:41:51. > :41:55.cancel it because of government cuts. It is a pattern mirrored
:41:55. > :42:01.across the country as the government ships more places up
:42:01. > :42:06.towards academic subjects. -- shifts. There is a kaleidoscope
:42:06. > :42:13.of creativity in the studios as Oxford Brookes Universities final
:42:13. > :42:17.year degree students prepare for their end-of-term show. For 3 years
:42:17. > :42:23.they have been sculpting, sketching and studying their way towards a
:42:23. > :42:27.qualification in fine art. On a course at Oxford Brookes, one of
:42:27. > :42:30.the best but what happens when they finish? Rebecca Herreros was
:42:30. > :42:35.planning to stay on at Oxford Brookes and had been interviewed
:42:35. > :42:39.for a place on the university's art PGCE. The one-year training course
:42:39. > :42:45.that would allow her to become a teacher. And told she was told it
:42:45. > :42:50.had been cancelled. Very disappointed especially because my
:42:50. > :42:54.second, third and 4th choices had failed so I cannot apply for
:42:54. > :42:59.another PGCE until next year. I ever feeling disappointed and lost
:42:59. > :43:06.as to what to do when I graduate. The University blamed government
:43:06. > :43:11.cuts. I came into my degree in with this as my and gold. I had a son
:43:11. > :43:18.and I wanted to become a teacher. I think it is really important that
:43:18. > :43:23.children are taught art in the curriculum. They made me feel quite
:43:23. > :43:27.down and even with our contribution of �9,000 for our fees, it is not
:43:27. > :43:36.viable for teaching to go ahead. They gave me the idea that it would
:43:36. > :43:42.not be reinstated next year or in the future. But why Rebecca's hopes
:43:42. > :43:46.of teaching are put on hold, that is not the case for everyone. In
:43:46. > :43:49.fact, Oxford Brookes University has been given funding by the
:43:49. > :43:54.government to offer more students places on PGCE courses across the
:43:54. > :44:00.board next year and art as a subject nationally is seeing an
:44:00. > :44:05.increase in the number of PGCE places available. Why our courses
:44:05. > :44:07.still being cut? Over the past three years the government's
:44:07. > :44:12.Training and Development Agency has gradually been reducing the number
:44:12. > :44:16.of courses it allows in the arts, preferring instead to put money in
:44:16. > :44:20.other subjects and indeed at Brookes they are hopping --
:44:20. > :44:26.offering more places in physics and maths. The university declined our
:44:26. > :44:30.requests for the interview but said continuing to one of its art course
:44:30. > :44:34.would be unworkable. It is a sign of the tougher environment the art
:44:34. > :44:40.has become. Jobs have diminished as students are where they will have
:44:40. > :44:45.to be increasingly business-minded. It is not good enough to just be an
:44:45. > :44:49.artist. It is naive if you can't have a business background to
:44:49. > :44:53.succeed but there are people who would prefer it just come to them,
:44:53. > :44:57.they presume they should be getting that rather than working twice as
:44:57. > :45:00.hard in this economic climate. Rebecca and her colleagues are
:45:00. > :45:04.about to graduate in a different climate to the one in which they
:45:04. > :45:09.began. Nevertheless they want the government to recognise the
:45:09. > :45:14.importance of art. The Creative Industry within the UK brings in a
:45:14. > :45:18.huge amount of revenue. We are world leaders in creative arts, so
:45:18. > :45:25.I think it is short-sighted to write of the art as something that
:45:25. > :45:31.is a luxury. Oxford Brookes say everything is
:45:31. > :45:36.controlled by the teacher and Development Agency. The allocation
:45:36. > :45:40.fell from 14 to five. They will be working with local schools to
:45:40. > :45:43.achieve qualified teaching status. That is not the gold standard that
:45:44. > :45:48.you would expect from somewhere like Oxford Brookes. We tried to
:45:49. > :45:53.get a statement from the Department the business they said it was a
:45:53. > :46:03.matter for the Department of Education. They referred us to the
:46:03. > :46:03.
:46:03. > :46:12.T D A. Are you happy with this? don't know about the exact position
:46:12. > :46:20.this university took but the background is two crucial Trent --
:46:20. > :46:25.trends. There is a decline in those in secondary school age taking the
:46:25. > :46:29.subject and when it comes to the choices of those students, there
:46:29. > :46:34.has been a surge in applications for some of those applications like
:46:34. > :46:39.-- subject like physics and chemistry. They therefore have to
:46:39. > :46:45.plan the teacher Training for the patterns of demand for the students.
:46:45. > :46:51.If you have a decline for students applying to do the science and
:46:51. > :46:56.technology to -- supporters, you have to train your teachers. It is
:46:56. > :47:01.a clear pattern of what the students are choosing. My wife is
:47:01. > :47:05.an artist and I am completely probe the arts but people planning the
:47:05. > :47:15.teacher training have to take the decisions of individual students
:47:15. > :47:20.into account. Creative arts, surely that is the winner for the economy?
:47:20. > :47:23.Of course it is. It helps to build the real cocktail of life
:47:23. > :47:27.experiences we all want to share and these young artists will
:47:27. > :47:31.produce things we will all appreciate or dislike but they
:47:31. > :47:39.bring a difference to the quality of life that we all expect. And we
:47:39. > :47:42.need good art teachers? Absolutely. To give kids at school the real
:47:42. > :47:47.inspiration they need somebody who has been through that sort of
:47:47. > :47:53.background, who comes to the subject with a real thirst for it
:47:53. > :47:59.not somebody who has been told, next year you will be the art teach
:47:59. > :48:03.as well without having the qualifications. I think this is a
:48:04. > :48:09.clear example of where we will regret some of the issues that have
:48:09. > :48:13.come up and the diminishing of the offer of creative arts is a real
:48:13. > :48:20.chance for people to enjoy a university careers with a thought
:48:20. > :48:24.for future ahead, which offers something to communities as a whole.
:48:24. > :48:30.Will be Brian Cox effect swing too far? We have to see what students
:48:30. > :48:35.choose. Nobody is talking about taking a teacher who is trained in
:48:35. > :48:40.maths and saying, you are going to be the art teacher. We have a lot
:48:40. > :48:44.of our teachers and then we look at the pattern of A-levels people are
:48:44. > :48:48.choosing, we have to make sure the same goes for the physics teacher,
:48:48. > :48:57.that when you are choosing to do your physics A-level, you have
:48:57. > :49:03.someone with the background. We are wasting talents it seems. I do
:49:03. > :49:07.agree with Mike on the importance of art, but we have to take into
:49:07. > :49:13.account what the students are choosing. It will be very hard to
:49:13. > :49:17.rebuild a course like this. Once it goes it is lost for ever. Now our
:49:17. > :49:24.round-up of the political week in the south. We have a theme to do
:49:24. > :49:30.with travel and holidays. Four in 60 seconds.
:49:30. > :49:34.-- or in 60 seconds. Bournemouth has beaten Italy and Portugal to be
:49:34. > :49:38.voted one of Europe's favourite beaches. MP to buyers Ellwood said
:49:38. > :49:43.the trip it buys a survey of was a tremendous honour. If you're
:49:43. > :49:49.thinking of jetting off abroad, Gatwick unions are worried about
:49:49. > :49:54.how much time the flight crews are getting. It criticises European
:49:54. > :49:57.have plans for 14 our duty periods. The current changes being proposed
:49:57. > :50:04.do not follow the science or listening to what the pilots are
:50:04. > :50:08.telling us. A force to stop work, people in Remploy factories. Maria
:50:08. > :50:13.Miller explained the closures. These are difficult decisions. The
:50:13. > :50:18.current system is not working for disabled people. West Sussex is
:50:18. > :50:23.making it easier to work from home with 90 % of the county being
:50:23. > :50:28.covered by super-fast broadband. And schools minister Nick Gibbs
:50:28. > :50:35.saved himself a trip to Venezuela by checking out a South American
:50:35. > :50:41.teaching system in Surrey. That music system is fantastic.
:50:41. > :50:47.Everybody has got to do it. It is compulsory. You have heard about
:50:47. > :50:51.this. I have seen the benefits in schools. I think giving people the
:50:52. > :50:56.opportunity to hold an instrument, play an instrument, appreciate
:50:56. > :51:01.music is one of the best tips they could ever received at school.
:51:01. > :51:05.you can't do everything? The curriculum has to be whole. What
:51:05. > :51:09.you can do is defined the subjects that are essential for ensuring you
:51:09. > :51:15.have very good options for university but have these baits for
:51:15. > :51:17.the art, drama, photography, for all the extras. It is very
:51:17. > :51:25.important we allow that in the curriculum and the government