:01:32. > :01:40.In the south, it is the second largest natural harbour on the
:01:40. > :01:50.planet, but could the waters of Poole Bay provide energy to heat
:01:50. > :01:50.
:01:50. > :31:46.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 1795 seconds
:31:46. > :31:50.Welcome. Coming up in the next 20 minutes, could tidal power in the
:31:50. > :31:55.world's second largest natural harbour, Poole Bay, be used to heat
:31:55. > :32:00.homes and businesses in the area? First, we will meet the politicians
:32:00. > :32:05.who are going to be with me for this part of the programme. The
:32:05. > :32:12.Conservative leader of Poole council. And Lord Stoneman, who has
:32:12. > :32:17.a long connection with Portsmouth. Elaine, we have the Police
:32:17. > :32:24.Federation meeting in Bournemouth. Theresa May got a rough time. Do
:32:24. > :32:32.you think it was an insult to her? I do. She went to hear what was
:32:32. > :32:36.being said and that is not the way we be a -- we expect the police to
:32:36. > :32:42.behave. I thought it was disrespectful. The police have to
:32:42. > :32:46.have public support. They should not do that to a Home Secretary.
:32:46. > :32:51.You have brought in cuts that might affect the front line and people
:32:51. > :32:57.are worried crime will go up. are a lot of people suffering from
:32:57. > :33:02.cuts at the moment. We have to have some form of cut in public spending.
:33:02. > :33:10.You do not decide the way forward by yelling at people, you negotiate
:33:10. > :33:13.and discuss. People find change challenging. We can remember when
:33:13. > :33:17.police support officers came in and people thought it was terrible and
:33:17. > :33:22.privatisation of the police force. They have helped to make people
:33:22. > :33:28.feel safer because there is a presence on the street. His Surrey
:33:28. > :33:33.Police backing away from this, is that a good thing? It is about sub-
:33:33. > :33:38.contract in, which is taking over from the police officers' roll.
:33:38. > :33:43.have to be careful when the law is concerned and the interface of the
:33:43. > :33:48.public. In terms of backroom staff and support operations, I do not
:33:48. > :33:55.see an objection, providing you are improving the service. The review
:33:55. > :33:59.is still being consulted on. Will this get better or worse? It will
:33:59. > :34:04.have to have a period of settling down. I do not think it will get
:34:04. > :34:09.worse. People will have to be reassured. There are things coming
:34:09. > :34:15.forward that people find unsettling. We need to reassure the public the
:34:15. > :34:21.change is not going to have a detrimental impact on them.
:34:21. > :34:24.unemployment figures were out this week. Worryingly, the South was
:34:24. > :34:30.bucking the national trend. The country as a whole saw unemployment
:34:30. > :34:35.drop, but in the South East it went up in the past three months by
:34:35. > :34:41.1,000 and in the South West, 10,000. What has happened to the job
:34:41. > :34:46.creation the Government is pinning its hopes of economically --
:34:46. > :34:55.economic recovery on? William Hague was saying people should work
:34:55. > :35:00.harder to bring business in. Is that the answer? Partly the answer.
:35:00. > :35:04.Businesses were disappointed with the comment. They are working hard
:35:04. > :35:08.to insure the bottom line and give themselves confidence. They look on
:35:08. > :35:14.the Government to provide confidence that will get them to
:35:14. > :35:20.grow. The Government cannot give confidence out. Businesses have to
:35:20. > :35:27.get it for themselves. They do. They are looking up to government
:35:27. > :35:31.to free up red tape and to be flexible on lending. Also to force
:35:31. > :35:39.the apprenticeship schemes... On Friday I was at a launch for
:35:39. > :35:43.another scheme. Are you tired of then? On the contrary. There is in
:35:43. > :35:48.need to break myths over the apprenticeships and how businesses
:35:48. > :35:52.can get more involved. But the comments were unhelpful. Businesses
:35:52. > :35:57.need confidence and they need to know the Government is listening
:35:57. > :36:01.and taking action. With regard to banking, that is interesting. The
:36:01. > :36:11.banks are saying they are prepared to lend but the criteria is such
:36:11. > :36:11.
:36:11. > :36:14.that businesses do not seem to be able to qualify. Wind would you say
:36:14. > :36:21.the south-east and South West have not done the same as the rest of
:36:21. > :36:26.the country -- why would you? the UK there is a reduction in
:36:26. > :36:30.unemployment claimants. Seven people a recently registered as
:36:30. > :36:35.unemployed are doing part-time work. The at is the same across the
:36:36. > :36:41.country. It is, but they are supplementing their income by
:36:41. > :36:45.claiming a different type of benefit. You see the fall in the
:36:45. > :36:49.registered numbers, but not generally. In the south, certain
:36:49. > :36:56.sectors are doing better than others. We are seeing the figures
:36:56. > :37:01.as the aftermath of the public sector cuts. We have fewer public
:37:01. > :37:06.sector cuts. We are not as reliant on the public sector as other parts
:37:06. > :37:11.of the country. We should be doing better. You have to look at the
:37:11. > :37:17.sectors. There are some in the south that are doing well. Export
:37:17. > :37:22.is doing well. We have companies with good contracts and have
:37:22. > :37:28.business coming in. But it is confidence. If every company in
:37:28. > :37:33.Hampshire particularly employed one person, even at new apprentice,
:37:33. > :37:39.there would be zero unemployment. There needs to be that confidence
:37:39. > :37:45.going through the system. We have 30,000 claimants in Hampshire.
:37:45. > :37:51.There is such a sign it is going down. But look at the number of
:37:51. > :37:55.males and females. There are differences. This week, in the 16-
:37:56. > :38:01.24-year-old sector, that is the critical mass of the unemployment
:38:01. > :38:05.figures. He is saying the Government has to help and it is
:38:05. > :38:10.not just saying to business were Carter and the private sector will
:38:10. > :38:17.pick up the jobs. It is a partnership. You have to have a
:38:17. > :38:22.partnership between the Government and business. Business must not
:38:22. > :38:26.look at the Government to do everything. What the Government was
:38:26. > :38:31.saying is we have to motivate exports particularly, and if you
:38:31. > :38:35.look at the job figures, but parts of the country doing well our
:38:36. > :38:38.manufacturing in the Midlands and Yorkshire. Down here, where we are
:38:38. > :38:45.more dependent on services and construction, we are doing less
:38:45. > :38:50.well. It is marginal, but it signifiers the two areas. We need
:38:50. > :38:55.confidence in services and retail. The one area government and the
:38:55. > :39:00.private sector has to do more is construction. More housebuilding?
:39:00. > :39:07.And also looking at infrastructure stop improving the competitiveness
:39:07. > :39:14.of the economy whether it is rates, housing or energy. That would mean
:39:14. > :39:18.spending more money. One of the things that is apparent is that in
:39:18. > :39:22.the company sector there is something like 700 billion of cash
:39:22. > :39:26.in the companies. Companies are flush with cash, but they are not
:39:26. > :39:34.spending because they do not have the confidence yet. Because of what
:39:34. > :39:38.is happening in Europe. That is reality. One thing we have learned
:39:38. > :39:43.in the last week, we cannot decide everything on our economy, it
:39:43. > :39:49.depends on what is happening abroad. Anybody involved in export at the
:39:49. > :39:55.moment sees what's happening in Europe, and they wonder where it
:39:55. > :40:02.will end. So close to the Channel, could we be more affected by loss
:40:02. > :40:07.of European business? I do not necessarily agreed. We have got a
:40:07. > :40:15.buoyant economy as it is here. Everybody is struggling, but we
:40:15. > :40:21.need to hear to an -- to hear what businesses want. We have to invest
:40:21. > :40:26.in making young people ready for the work force. We have 15% in
:40:26. > :40:33.business in Poole it is advanced manufacturing and engineering. We
:40:33. > :40:39.are seeing those companies recruiting apprentices into those
:40:39. > :40:43.advanced engineering apprenticeships. We have to help
:40:43. > :40:48.this age group and to help them be employable and fit to join those
:40:49. > :40:58.businesses to grow. That is how we will grow, not on the Government
:40:58. > :41:03.based or overseas base. I am encouraged. The critical mass is
:41:03. > :41:12.the 18 to 24 year olds. I was interested in the comments on
:41:12. > :41:18.infrastructure. Hampshire and Surrey are keen on pushing forward.
:41:18. > :41:24.We have an enterprise science -- enterprise zone in Hampshire which
:41:24. > :41:33.will create jobs and opportunities. Just around the corner, or a couple
:41:33. > :41:38.of years a grey? Economic the around the corner. To smack away. -
:41:38. > :41:43.- a couple of years away. infrastructure traditionally has
:41:43. > :41:47.been highways and roads, but it includes super-fast broadband,
:41:47. > :41:54.because we are seeing changes in work patterns. Hampshire are making
:41:54. > :41:59.those changes. We have heard plenty recently about harnessing wind
:41:59. > :42:05.power of four and onshore. This is an idea, what about getting energy
:42:05. > :42:14.from the sea itself? We are an island and not stuck for a wave or
:42:14. > :42:18.two. They could be better sources of clean energy.
:42:18. > :42:27.Poole Bay in Dorset. The second largest natural harbour anywhere in
:42:27. > :42:31.the world. It's double tide means twice a day between 30 and 45,000
:42:32. > :42:38.cubic metres of water flow in and out of the harbour. There are plans
:42:38. > :42:42.to turn some of the tidal flow into energy. The cost of energy is
:42:42. > :42:46.increasing. And the impact on the planet on what we do to extract
:42:46. > :42:52.energy, so we have to find renewable sources and look on our
:42:52. > :43:02.own doorstep before we look elsewhere. You stick to pipes in
:43:02. > :43:04.
:43:04. > :43:09.and it works in the same way as a domestic fridge, but in reverse.
:43:09. > :43:13.I am not an expert. Think of me like Winnie-the-Pooh, a bear of
:43:13. > :43:21.little brain, I cannot understand how cold water from the sea can be
:43:21. > :43:24.turned into warm air to heat homes and businesses. This is the science.
:43:24. > :43:29.Seawater holds a lot of heat. Over the course of summer, the sunshine
:43:29. > :43:39.hits the sea and Asian for many months and it holds a lot of the
:43:39. > :43:46.
:43:46. > :43:51.heat in. -- it hits the seam and holds it in. This is clean, green
:43:51. > :44:01.energy we are talking about? It is relatively clean. You have to pump
:44:01. > :44:03.
:44:03. > :44:10.seawater to a heat exchanger. It is a low carbon way of providing heat.
:44:10. > :44:13.The plans for Poole Bay are based on the heating system in Sweden. So
:44:13. > :44:20.advanced and successful is the technology there it is used to heat
:44:20. > :44:25.more than 90% of homes in one area. It is hoped that schools,
:44:25. > :44:29.businesses and the housing stock in Poole can feel the benefit.
:44:29. > :44:34.council has wondered whether there is any energy that could be
:44:34. > :44:39.utilised from the harbour. They are behind the project. Would it be
:44:39. > :44:43.millions of pounds required? We are talking thousands of pounds rather
:44:43. > :44:50.than millions. We know what the demand is in the local area. What
:44:50. > :44:55.we do not know is the energy that is capable of being produced from
:44:55. > :45:01.the technology. Experts say it is the sort of low carbon scheme the
:45:01. > :45:06.Government should invest in. demonstrates reliable levels of
:45:06. > :45:12.electricity at times when we know it will work, which is not the case
:45:12. > :45:17.with wind. It is reliable. It is invisible. There is no
:45:18. > :45:22.environmental impact naturally. So long as it does not impact on the
:45:22. > :45:26.marine industry, it can only be a good thing. The council had spent
:45:26. > :45:31.one third of a million pounds on a carbon reduction audit and say with
:45:31. > :45:36.more research they are hopeful of attracting public and private
:45:36. > :45:41.investment. When they progress, they will know the types of
:45:41. > :45:45.technology we can utilise. When we have at foundation we could have
:45:45. > :45:50.found further confidence to bid for future funding. We have not done
:45:50. > :45:55.all of the mathematics and technical assessments yet, but I am
:45:55. > :46:00.confident there is power in a harbour we can extract without an
:46:00. > :46:06.impact on the environment or users of the harbour. But how committed
:46:06. > :46:09.on local and national governments to investing in the technology?
:46:09. > :46:15.You have to put the money up front to get the ball rolling on these
:46:15. > :46:19.things. Potentially it could help the whole of the south coast.
:46:19. > :46:24.could help the whole of the nation. We are an island and it could help
:46:24. > :46:32.everybody. Are you getting the sort of support in looking for these
:46:32. > :46:37.things from central government you would like to see? We are in at the
:46:37. > :46:41.beginning of a bidding process that looks quite exciting. Often we have
:46:41. > :46:46.to be cautious with things like that. We have received government
:46:46. > :46:53.funding, 20,000 to do investigations. We are working in
:46:53. > :47:03.partnership with the committee sector and university and putting
:47:03. > :47:04.
:47:04. > :47:08.forward a bid from a pot of money that is worth about 200 million.
:47:08. > :47:15.200 million is a bit like it. That sounds promising. Is the Government
:47:15. > :47:19.doing enough with that sort of green economic development? It is
:47:19. > :47:29.one of the main platforms of the coalition to do more in the green
:47:29. > :47:30.
:47:30. > :47:34.area. We have Ed Davey there. This is one of many schemes the
:47:34. > :47:40.Government, using the green energy bank as well, to finance these
:47:40. > :47:45.projects, but the key thing is to do the research. The partnership
:47:45. > :47:49.between business, university and local authorities is a good basis
:47:49. > :47:59.to start. We have to turn that into a business proposition that could
:47:59. > :47:59.
:47:59. > :48:04.be used not many in this country but abroad. This is more than
:48:04. > :48:09.lagging people's lofts. The that is also important. That's not
:48:09. > :48:13.downgrade that. That is one of the most important ways of improving
:48:13. > :48:18.our green performance. This is a way to find an alternative source
:48:18. > :48:22.of energy that is green, which has another benefit. We know there is a
:48:22. > :48:27.big expansion -- big expansion of wind farms, people are happy with
:48:27. > :48:30.those as long as they are not in their area, which is the problem.
:48:30. > :48:38.But this is something that most of the time people will not know is
:48:38. > :48:43.there. It would be nice if it was Bournemouth. It certainly would.
:48:43. > :48:53.Poole Bay brings in up to 50,000 cubic metres of water twice a day,
:48:53. > :48:57.which is powerful. It sounds like a lot. 50,000 cubic metres into the
:48:57. > :49:02.harbour twice a day. If you could harness the energy from that, you
:49:02. > :49:12.are talking about something significant. Now the regular round-
:49:12. > :49:15.up of the political week in the south in 60 seconds.
:49:15. > :49:21.A strange sight on Monday with the leader of a political party
:49:21. > :49:27.stepping down because things were going so well. Green MP Caroline
:49:27. > :49:33.Lucas thing somebody else should have a chance. The green in Oxford
:49:33. > :49:38.where they have more plug-in points than any way in Europe but only 30
:49:38. > :49:42.electric drivers. The ministers said demand will grow. We will see
:49:42. > :49:49.when critical mass kicks in, the price will come down. What car do
:49:49. > :49:59.you drive? I have a Rover. Bournemouth, the Police Federation
:49:59. > :50:00.
:50:00. > :50:07.felt the, of Theresa May and the MP Nick Herbert. Well... I... Labour
:50:07. > :50:15.felt the heat of protest this week. New Southampton councillors met by
:50:15. > :50:20.trade unionists as they tried to find money to restore staff pay.
:50:20. > :50:28.A lot of any council leaders. It is difficult the Liberal Democrats in
:50:28. > :50:32.particular? We did well down here. They across the country. It is
:50:33. > :50:36.always a problem when you are in government, which is one of the sad
:50:36. > :50:39.things about political elections way you have a low turnout and it
:50:39. > :50:45.ends in a swing against the Government, not on the basis of
:50:45. > :50:50.what people are cheap locally, but based on her feelings against the
:50:50. > :50:55.national government -- the feelings. The what about low turnout?
:50:55. > :50:59.should have a strategy to get younger people involved and
:50:59. > :51:09.interested in local democracy. We need to have featured democratic
:51:09. > :51:09.
:51:09. > :51:17.resources coming forward and we do not have that. -- -- future. Let's
:51:17. > :51:24.hope there will be more good ideas. That is here -- it from the south.