:01:28. > :01:31.In the South: How do the people of Chipping Norton feel about being in
:01:31. > :01:41.the middle of the phone hacking allegations, thanks to the
:01:41. > :01:41.
:01:41. > :30:12.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 1710 seconds
:30:12. > :30:15.influential group of politicians Welcome to Sunday Politics South,
:30:15. > :30:17.my name's Peter Henley. On today's show: The Oxfordshire town that's
:30:17. > :30:20.given its name to a group of journalists and politicians who
:30:20. > :30:23.supposedly run the country - how does Chipping Norton feel about its
:30:23. > :30:26.recent notoriety? And we'll be talking to Dr Evan
:30:26. > :30:27.Harris, who's part of the group Hacked Off about what the Leveson
:30:27. > :30:31.Inquiry's revealing about the relationships between politicians
:30:31. > :30:34.and the press. More on that in a minute. First though, let's meet
:30:34. > :30:37.the two guests who'll be with me for the next 20 minutes. Sean
:30:37. > :30:44.Woodward is the Conservative leader of Fareham Borough Council, and
:30:44. > :30:49.Phil Wood, who's the South East regional secretary for UNISON. You
:30:49. > :30:54.are also one of the people hoping to be selected as one of the new
:30:54. > :31:02.police and crime commissioners. Your slogan focuses on call crime
:31:02. > :31:08.fighting. We do say putting Tom Winsor in it as Inspector of
:31:08. > :31:14.Constabulary focusing on that? have an important role to play.
:31:14. > :31:22.There has been a perceived cosiness, but we always have senior police
:31:22. > :31:27.officers inspecting service -- serving police officers. What about
:31:27. > :31:35.Police Commissioners with military experience? You might equally say
:31:35. > :31:39.they have performed an operational role, which is for the police
:31:39. > :31:48.constable. I think it is important to have people that have not
:31:48. > :31:56.formally been commanding thousands of men. What does UNISON think of
:31:56. > :31:59.this? The important things for the police is, we ask Police
:31:59. > :32:03.Commissioners to make sure they have reinstate those from my
:32:03. > :32:08.services that have been badly run down and the last two years of cuts.
:32:08. > :32:15.I hope they will focus on public safety, security, that seems to
:32:15. > :32:24.have had its edge taken off it. Modernisation is also needed, isn't
:32:24. > :32:29.it? Modernisation is always needed, but I am not sure how one of the
:32:29. > :32:34.most modern things in the police service has been community police
:32:34. > :32:42.service officers. There have been taken away by their hundreds. That
:32:42. > :32:48.was but of modernisation. They have taken them away. If you made
:32:48. > :32:55.promises, to your election, we do get the money to keep them? It is a
:32:55. > :32:59.high priority. The whole issue is, if you had police officers sitting
:32:59. > :33:06.behind desks, carrying out roles that others could carry out, that
:33:06. > :33:11.is a problem. Uniforms on the street give people public
:33:11. > :33:16.reassurance is. That is the only way he deter crime. Police out on
:33:16. > :33:17.the streets, not sat behind desks. The phone hacking allegations and
:33:17. > :33:21.subsequent Leveson Inquiry are having far-reaching consequences
:33:21. > :33:24.for MPs and the press. Chipping Norton in Oxfordshire has been
:33:24. > :33:28.thrown into the spotlight because of the supposed wheelings and
:33:28. > :33:31.dealings that went on between the influential set of residents there.
:33:31. > :33:34.In a moment, we'll be discussing what the lasting effects of Leveson
:33:34. > :33:44.might be. But first, how do the community of Chipping Norton feel
:33:44. > :33:53.
:33:53. > :33:58.about ending up in the middle of it The dealings between the residents
:33:58. > :34:02.of this little market town have led to revelations that have been a
:34:02. > :34:11.firecracker underneath the practices and culture of our
:34:11. > :34:17.politicians, press and police. It is here that the so-called Chipping
:34:17. > :34:22.Norton said went for tea at each other's houses, where David Cameron
:34:22. > :34:28.cent those cosy texts, and where Rebekah Brooks looked after her a
:34:28. > :34:38.police horse. So, how well are the locals are acquainted with their
:34:38. > :34:38.
:34:38. > :34:44.high profile neighbours? We are not part of it, I can assure you that!
:34:44. > :34:50.Your are not a member of the club? No. Where is the best place for
:34:50. > :34:55.bumping into them? Sainsbury's! town's high street is not teeming
:34:55. > :35:01.with celebrities on every corner, but still, the name of Chipping
:35:01. > :35:09.Norton has become synonymous with the whole phone hacking affair.
:35:09. > :35:15.has made us out to be selfish and self-centred, which is untrue.
:35:15. > :35:24.Chipping Norton is just a normal little town in England. It seems to
:35:24. > :35:28.be quoted on every other programme. It is famous now! It is, yes.
:35:28. > :35:31.those certain people are being scrutinised more than ever before.
:35:31. > :35:35.Calling into question the whole relationship between the newspapers
:35:35. > :35:41.and government. What you think about the relationships between
:35:41. > :35:46.people here? It is very intriguing. All thoughts -- all sorts of things
:35:46. > :35:52.get discussed at dinner-parties which should not be revealed to me
:35:52. > :36:01.-- media. Just because you are Prime Minister, does not mean you
:36:01. > :36:06.are entitled to privacy. Something has to seriously change. They would
:36:06. > :36:12.get away with it, no doubt! Because they are part of the Chipping
:36:12. > :36:20.Norton set. Almost daily, the Leveson Inquiry has brought a new
:36:20. > :36:23.twist. But when the dust settles, what remains?
:36:23. > :36:26.We've heard quite a bit from various members of the Chipping
:36:26. > :36:30.Norton set at the Leveson Inquiry. Someone else who's also been there
:36:30. > :36:33.a lot - though not to give evidence, I should add - is the former
:36:33. > :36:37.Oxfordshire Liberal Democrat, MP Dr Evan Harris, who's now part of the
:36:38. > :36:42.Hacked Off campaign, and joins us now from our Westminster studio. We
:36:42. > :36:46.were minding our own business, in Chipping Norton, until the press
:36:46. > :36:50.got hold of it. All sorts of things discussed at dinner parties that
:36:50. > :36:56.should not be revealed and the media. Do you think we have learned
:36:56. > :37:00.any more about a cosy club in politics? I disagreed with the
:37:00. > :37:04.resident who said that Prime Minister has are entitled to
:37:04. > :37:07.private conversations with leading businessmen and women with public
:37:07. > :37:14.interest matters behind closed doors where deals are done which
:37:14. > :37:19.may be unfair on the rest of us. They may involve discussions that
:37:19. > :37:26.impact on the corruption of the police, the exploitation of victims
:37:26. > :37:30.of crime and lead to the undermining of proper parliamentary
:37:30. > :37:34.democracy. One of the good things about the Leveson Inquiry is
:37:34. > :37:39.delighted has cast on these murky dealings they have taken place
:37:39. > :37:43.between two very secretive, powerful blocs - the politicians
:37:43. > :37:47.and media executives. We are not talking about relationships with
:37:48. > :37:52.journalists, we are talking about relationships with multinational
:37:52. > :37:57.business people. I am sorry that Chipping Norton has been caught in
:37:57. > :38:02.the crossfire, but we must make sure this will not happen and the
:38:02. > :38:06.future. It is corrupting to our political culture. We have seen
:38:06. > :38:10.some of the evidence brought out. But do you think Labour some will
:38:10. > :38:20.come up with something for the future, which would change the way
:38:20. > :38:22.
:38:22. > :38:30.people operate? -- Levison. I am confident it will come up with a
:38:30. > :38:35.better system. That is, and the ability of politicians to have
:38:35. > :38:41.secret communications and to meetings. I think this is just a
:38:41. > :38:45.cosy club. There is nothing wrong with people having private, cosy
:38:45. > :38:49.relationships except when they are public servants, paid by us, making
:38:49. > :38:54.decisions, for example about whether our media will have more
:38:54. > :38:58.competition or not, or whether there is a deal whereby if you do
:38:59. > :39:04.this, and make sure the chief executive of my company is allowed
:39:04. > :39:09.to buy another company, then we will support you at your election.
:39:09. > :39:13.There a very few people who would argue that is not wrong. Lord
:39:13. > :39:18.Levison will come up with something that is better than nothing. The
:39:18. > :39:27.key question is whether the Polish poet -- politicians or be forced by
:39:27. > :39:32.public pressure to implement this. The balance has to be kept between
:39:32. > :39:35.having a free media and making sure there are checks and balances to
:39:35. > :39:42.ensure there is not corruption, either the police or political
:39:42. > :39:48.class. A -- do you think the Leveson Inquiry will do its job?
:39:48. > :39:54.The fact that this information has come out is vital, and although we
:39:54. > :39:59.are critical of the Prime Minister and Culture Secretary, at least he
:39:59. > :40:06.had the courage to call the inquiry because it looks as if he has been
:40:06. > :40:09.a particularly dodgy. But as he has said, the music stopped in this
:40:09. > :40:14.game of musical chairs when he was a Prime Minister. Tony Blair and
:40:14. > :40:18.Gordon Brown were up to their necks in it, as was John Major and
:40:19. > :40:22.Margaret Thatcher. It is good this information is coming out, and I
:40:22. > :40:27.reject the idea that the recommendations will be draconian
:40:27. > :40:31.and we will lose a free press. We need to make sure good
:40:31. > :40:41.investigative journalism, prevalent in the newsrooms of BBC South, for
:40:41. > :40:42.
:40:42. > :40:47.example, is allowed to flourish. But illegal and unethical activity
:40:47. > :40:49.is clamped down on. Now, is it the long overdue re-
:40:49. > :40:53.introduction of national service, giving young people a much-needed
:40:53. > :40:55.bit of backbone? Or a sticking plaster on youth unemployment? A
:40:55. > :40:58."summer school for middle class kids", as some critics would have
:40:58. > :41:01.it. The National Citizen Service was the Prime Minister's idea, but
:41:01. > :41:11.as Nicola Murray reports, the jury's still out on whether it will
:41:11. > :41:16.
:41:16. > :41:23.Team work, discipline, duty, discipline. These words might sound
:41:23. > :41:29.old-fashioned, but they are part of a solution to get a modern problem.
:41:29. > :41:37.David Cameron speaking after last year's riots. Part of the solution?
:41:37. > :41:44.Notching up a course for teenagers. It lasts three weeks, costs �50,
:41:44. > :41:49.and 30,000 teenagers will take part. I got asked if I wanted to do it. I
:41:49. > :41:58.thought it would be an opportunity. I thought I would go for it. It was
:41:58. > :42:07.very good. This goal completed a course last year. I usually work on
:42:07. > :42:13.my own. People put negativity on the youth, but we are on the other
:42:13. > :42:23.side, showing how good for you can be. The scheme is open to 16 and
:42:23. > :42:25.
:42:25. > :42:28.17-year-olds. This is something you can put down on your CV. They took
:42:28. > :42:33.part in a development programme, stating they have mixed with young
:42:33. > :42:39.people, got involved with public figures, the public sector and
:42:39. > :42:44.their community, and done something positive. That could be building a
:42:44. > :42:49.community garden, helping a youth service with young people, finger
:42:49. > :42:54.painting, making small cakes. It has shown young people can do
:42:54. > :43:04.something by themselves. Government targets for the national citizen's
:43:04. > :43:06.
:43:06. > :43:11.service are ambitious - 8,500 young people took part last year. For the
:43:11. > :43:16.first time ever this year, the national citizen's service is
:43:16. > :43:21.available on the Isle of Wight. 60 places are up for grabs. But only
:43:21. > :43:26.half have been snapped up. We have struggled to sell it to our
:43:26. > :43:31.students, mainly because of the timing and the cost. �50 is quite a
:43:31. > :43:34.lot for a young person. And selling the idea to young islanders comes
:43:34. > :43:40.at a time when they are twice as likely to be unemployed as someone
:43:40. > :43:45.the same age living on the mainland. To them, it seems like a three-week
:43:45. > :43:52.programme, all very good, but what is in it for them at the end? What
:43:52. > :43:59.they get a job at the end of it? Last year's national citizen's
:43:59. > :44:08.service cost the Government �1,300 per person. A report says that is
:44:08. > :44:14.too expensive. Despite that, page is holding down two jobs and going
:44:14. > :44:24.to college. What would you say to people that say the skills sound
:44:24. > :44:24.
:44:24. > :44:31.good but one I help you get a job? It is not true. It gives you so
:44:31. > :44:35.much teamworking confidence. Youth unemployment has never been so bad.
:44:35. > :44:45.Around one million young people are out of work. The question now is
:44:45. > :44:51.
:44:51. > :44:58.whether a volunteering scheme is Is a replacement? If you want to
:44:58. > :45:05.help young people get jobs, the best thing to do is to develop an
:45:05. > :45:11.economy with job opportunities. The Duke of Edinburgh scheme, for
:45:11. > :45:16.example, has been a very good scheme. Maybe, someone should put
:45:16. > :45:20.more into than advertise that. Anything that is being done the
:45:20. > :45:27.young people facing a hopeless situation is good. Perhaps it is
:45:27. > :45:35.giving them hope? �1,300 a person sounds like a lot of money. It does
:45:35. > :45:44.sound a bit steep. The I'd be here is that all young people in the
:45:44. > :45:48.country will have this opportunity. -- the idea here. Only half of the
:45:48. > :45:53.people on the Isle of Wight are taking it up, though. There is
:45:53. > :45:59.promotion needed. When people on the Isle of Wight become aware of
:45:59. > :46:09.it, it will not become a problem. hope it is not false hope. We saw
:46:09. > :46:10.
:46:10. > :46:15.Nick Clegg earlier in the week to clean about apprenticeships, and
:46:15. > :46:25.one of the economy shops where they take on so-called apprentices and
:46:25. > :46:29.
:46:29. > :46:34.stop them behind their own tales. - - earlier in the week talking.
:46:34. > :46:44.million youth unemployment! It is shocking. The trend has been it in
:46:44. > :46:45.
:46:46. > :46:49.the wrong direction. It is a great scheme, and I think there will be
:46:49. > :46:52.greater criticism if the Government did nothing.
:46:52. > :46:55.Now our regular round-up of the political week in the South in 60
:46:55. > :47:05.seconds. This week, as you might expect - tinged as everything seems
:47:05. > :47:10.
:47:10. > :47:20.Abingdon Town Council wins the prize for the most unusual Jubilee
:47:20. > :47:23.
:47:23. > :47:29.celebration chat -- throwing buns. Thames Water it may lift its
:47:29. > :47:36.hosepipe ban. On the water, three Queen's lead the Jubilee in
:47:36. > :47:45.Southampton. Vince Cable was in the port to emphasise British exports
:47:45. > :47:52.successful stock you have got to think globally. But it was imports
:47:52. > :47:58.causing trouble in Oxford - 22 Olympic torch bearers. Locals were
:47:58. > :48:04.left out. It was for us, the British people. The House of
:48:04. > :48:14.Commons proved it is a less local economy - they are out sourcing
:48:14. > :48:20.
:48:20. > :48:26.The House of Commons switchboard is amazing, isn't it? People are
:48:26. > :48:35.pinning up for the sake of it. If you are doing something, you have
:48:35. > :48:38.got to outsource it. -- people are doing it. The local council had
:48:38. > :48:42.outsourced their personnel functions to capita, and when they
:48:42. > :48:51.came to making people of London, this simply did not have the money
:48:51. > :48:55.to do with it. -- at making people redundant. The potential is there
:48:55. > :49:00.as well, but quality is the most important thing. If you can get
:49:00. > :49:04.more for less, that is great. If you cannot, you need to think very
:49:04. > :49:12.seriously about it. We do not outsource everything and anything,
:49:12. > :49:22.we deliver in house at the very good price. What about those
:49:22. > :49:27.Olympic runners? Earlier in the week, I met the torch bearers from
:49:27. > :49:31.Fareham, and running elsewhere. It was a strange thing. We have got
:49:31. > :49:36.many people were very proud to carry the Olympic torch, and this
:49:36. > :49:41.is coming through a lot of towns - people are not carrying it through
:49:41. > :49:51.their local towns. People are coming to Fareham from elsewhere to
:49:51. > :49:52.
:49:52. > :49:55.carry the torch through Fareham, which is a strange.
:49:55. > :49:57.That's the Sunday Politics in the South. Thanks to my guests, Sean