:01:35. > :01:45.Think you might fancy becoming a global leader? In New Course can
:01:45. > :01:45.
:01:45. > :37:16.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2130 seconds
:37:16. > :37:20.On today's show, do you fancy their adulation of the millions that
:37:20. > :37:28.comes with world leadership? A new course at Oxford university could
:37:28. > :37:38.be just the thing for you. Let's meet the two politicians that will
:37:38. > :37:40.
:37:40. > :37:45.be with me for the next 20 minutes. This week we had this new idea that
:37:45. > :37:51.people would be automatically opted into pensions. It means some people
:37:51. > :37:56.will have less in their pocket than they might have done. Will it work?
:37:56. > :38:04.It will make a big difference. Too few people are saving for their
:38:04. > :38:10.retirement. We need to encourage people to save for the future.
:38:10. > :38:17.enrolment, it sounds a bit like taking people for fools. -- Auto
:38:17. > :38:23.enrolment. People are keen to spend money to day and think about saving
:38:23. > :38:30.for a tomorrow. We need to protect people's income for retirement.
:38:30. > :38:34.it means they won't be dependent on the state. Coming from a
:38:34. > :38:40.libertarian Party, I don't quite agree with this bottle enrolment.
:38:40. > :38:44.And of course, people have the opportunity to opt out. We do need
:38:44. > :38:50.to think about the future and get younger generations to think about
:38:50. > :38:58.the future. But do these people really have the money to save? They
:38:58. > :39:03.are having no trouble getting to the end of the month. Or interfere
:39:03. > :39:09.they're there are difficult for people. The other issue it is, on
:39:09. > :39:14.where is this money going to be invested. With all a scandal that
:39:14. > :39:24.we have had, many people have lost have of their pension, or their
:39:24. > :39:26.
:39:26. > :39:32.entire pension. But is there a risk? Is there any danger in this?
:39:32. > :39:37.It is not just the employee putting money in, at that the Government is
:39:37. > :39:44.and the employer. It is a significant contribution. We need
:39:44. > :39:52.to make sure people's investments are safe. But people are putting in
:39:52. > :39:56.more money than the employer. It is more significant for the employees.
:39:56. > :40:01.Some people have very good pensions, but we will not going to
:40:01. > :40:06.politicians pensions not quite yet. In one month's time we will be
:40:06. > :40:11.going to the polls to elect police and Crown Commissioners. There will
:40:11. > :40:15.be one for the Thames Valley, Sussex, Surrey, Dorset and
:40:15. > :40:22.Wiltshire. Do you know what a police and crime Commissioner has
:40:22. > :40:26.to do? Looking for a new job? From
:40:26. > :40:31.tomorrow applications are being accepted for a new, high-profile
:40:31. > :40:36.role making key decisions about how the police operate in your area.
:40:36. > :40:42.You will work closely with the chief constable. You will hold the
:40:42. > :40:47.purse-strings, controlling budgets of up to �400 million. You will set
:40:47. > :40:51.the police's strategic plan. You will make key spending decisions
:40:51. > :40:57.loud whether police stations should stay open, of whether you should
:40:57. > :41:01.team up with other forces, could you will hire and fire the chief
:41:01. > :41:08.constable. It is your job to hold them and the whole police force to
:41:08. > :41:15.account. The Prime Minister has described it as a big job for a big
:41:15. > :41:22.local figure. You don't need to be a politician, or to stand for a
:41:22. > :41:25.political party, but you do need an interest in crime and justice. You
:41:25. > :41:33.need a 5,000 pound deposit and the ability to convince voters did
:41:33. > :41:37.choose you. You will get paid up to �85,000 a year. Elections on
:41:37. > :41:47.November 15th and the successful applicant will start work one week
:41:47. > :41:50.
:41:50. > :41:55.later. It is a four week contract - - a four year contract. We have
:41:55. > :42:03.been talking about this good idea for a directly accountable, and
:42:03. > :42:08.elected person for quite a while. Why do you think we need that?
:42:08. > :42:14.2003, the London think-tank policy exchange asked me to work with them
:42:14. > :42:18.on what became the first report on police governance. At that time, as
:42:18. > :42:23.usual, there seemed to be a general view that policing could only
:42:24. > :42:31.improve if units of policing got bigger. The debate was always about
:42:31. > :42:36.the amalgamation. But it was pretty much police orientated. Policy
:42:36. > :42:42.exchange came to the conclusion that the title, who should run
:42:42. > :42:48.Britain's police, was directing interest back to local policing and
:42:48. > :42:56.making local police accountable. in some ways saving those small
:42:56. > :43:01.forces. But if we do not get a big turnout in his vote, will they be
:43:01. > :43:06.as accountable as you would like to see? Will they be the public's
:43:06. > :43:11.person? It is early days, it looks as though the turnout will not be
:43:11. > :43:19.as good as it might have been. I am concerned about the lack of
:43:19. > :43:27.publicity surrounding the elections. Most people do not know what a
:43:27. > :43:31.police and crime Commissioner would be doing. We felt one of the
:43:31. > :43:37.driving forces was if one person is made directly accountable for
:43:37. > :43:40.police governance its amplifies the issue and means most people will be
:43:41. > :43:47.able to know, understand and appreciate it who has
:43:47. > :43:52.responsibility for the police. we getting the names coming forward,
:43:52. > :43:59.are we getting candidates who have those big personalities? Is that
:43:59. > :44:05.what we want? I think you can have different skills depending on what
:44:05. > :44:09.you expect from these people. In my constituency I hear a lot of
:44:10. > :44:15.concerns of people about their safety. There has to be somebody
:44:15. > :44:22.who is capable of taking up the concerns and passing them on to the
:44:22. > :44:25.police force. I think there is a gap year. In our party we have a
:44:25. > :44:32.number of candidates that have police experience and I think that
:44:32. > :44:38.is good. Whitaker they are standing on his, Europe takes all our money,
:44:38. > :44:44.isn't it? You're pretty much a single issue party. We have
:44:44. > :44:50.developed an number of policies. We want to fight for the victims'
:44:51. > :45:00.rights and not for a the criminals rights. Should this be a party
:45:01. > :45:02.
:45:02. > :45:07.political thing? We have got some big figures standing. Alan Michael,
:45:07. > :45:12.Michael Mates who ran the RUC in Northern Ireland, there are good
:45:12. > :45:20.people coming through. It is inevitable when you have an
:45:20. > :45:24.election that that political parties will get involved. But
:45:24. > :45:28.people who do not come through a political background are encouraged
:45:28. > :45:32.to get involved. But it is absolutely right to have someone as
:45:32. > :45:42.a police commissioner who is able to listen to what people say and is
:45:42. > :45:52.accountable to the public. An MP from Liberty's said police officer
:45:52. > :45:57.
:45:57. > :46:05.should be accountable to the long. - ayes -- law. Politics does form a
:46:05. > :46:09.large part of policing. I was of the view that police autonomy had
:46:09. > :46:17.gone too far. We haven't you got a look at what happened in
:46:17. > :46:21.Hillsborough to realise that we do need accountability. There is going
:46:21. > :46:26.to be plenty of coverage of those elections on your local radio
:46:26. > :46:31.stations and here on Sunday politics. If you want to find out
:46:31. > :46:36.about the declared candidates, you can have a look at them all on the
:46:36. > :46:41.BBC website. The party conference season is coming to a close with
:46:41. > :46:49.only the Conservatives left. Before he hopped on the train that I spoke
:46:49. > :46:55.to David Cameron. Rail fares in the south are up 6.2%
:46:55. > :47:01.compared to 3% in Northern Ireland, 4% in Scotland. Are you happy with
:47:01. > :47:06.public transport? I am not happy we have inherited a system that has
:47:06. > :47:10.seen above-inflation increases year on the year. We need to run our
:47:10. > :47:14.railways more officially and effectively. We're going to bear
:47:15. > :47:20.down on those costs and do everything we can to help hard-
:47:20. > :47:24.pressed commuters and travellers with those fares. We have these
:47:24. > :47:30.franchise problems, at Thames Link on hold, have you got a close eye
:47:30. > :47:35.on the high-speed rail to and whether that will work? I am
:47:35. > :47:41.extremely angry about what has happened with the franchise issue.
:47:41. > :47:45.Patrick McLoughlin was quite right to apologise. Clearly mistakes were
:47:45. > :47:49.made in that department. We will have a proper review to get to the
:47:49. > :47:59.bottom of it. I specifically asked the Secretary to look into this
:47:59. > :48:00.
:48:00. > :48:04.issue but answers were not found. On High Speed Two, it is an
:48:05. > :48:09.important infrastructure company -- project for the country. We need to
:48:09. > :48:19.put that in place in Britain. Connecting London to Birmingham
:48:19. > :48:20.
:48:20. > :48:23.with a fast train and taking that on up to the north of Scotland.
:48:23. > :48:26.you encouraging businesses to create jobs where they can or are
:48:27. > :48:32.you still trying to make the Midlands and North growing greatest
:48:32. > :48:42.numbers? We're saying to businesses everywhere that we want to help you
:48:42. > :48:42.
:48:42. > :48:50.expand. In the south-east, we have BMW in Cowley. That is fantastic.
:48:50. > :48:53.The people they are taking all than the training they are giving. We
:48:53. > :48:58.need to light the fires of enterprise and this Government is
:48:58. > :49:03.fully behind enterprise, including in the south-east. There are still
:49:03. > :49:07.so many people on housing waiting lists, what are you saying to them?
:49:07. > :49:12.We are helping with the mortgage market, helping with housebuilders,
:49:12. > :49:16.taking a lot of regulations away and saying to local councils we
:49:16. > :49:21.will not impose targets, but if you go ahead and build houses you can
:49:21. > :49:31.keep more of the council tax and see more revenue flow into your
:49:31. > :49:32.
:49:32. > :49:38.area. Looking forward to the conference? I am looking forward to
:49:38. > :49:44.it. I am off on the train this afternoon. It is a good opportunity
:49:44. > :49:48.for parties to set out their stall and listen to members. We wanted to
:49:48. > :49:58.talk about regional issues with the Prime Minister. We did not talk
:49:58. > :49:58.
:49:58. > :50:03.about Europe. From UK its point of view, you'll want to force this on
:50:03. > :50:08.to the agenda. Absolutely. There was a discussion about a pact
:50:08. > :50:15.between us and the Tories. It has a lot to do with the position David
:50:15. > :50:20.Cameron will take with reference to Europe. I am expecting some
:50:20. > :50:26.announcement although they say it will be delayed. Today there was
:50:26. > :50:32.speaking about the Budget. We voted it yesterday and they are asking
:50:32. > :50:38.for almost a 7% increase. I think this is our greatest. The David
:50:38. > :50:46.Cameron must have a say. -- out rages. He must tell these people
:50:46. > :50:56.that the UK cannot continued to contribute. By have a petition to
:50:56. > :51:02.
:51:02. > :51:12.reduce the contribution. worried are you of bout the
:51:12. > :51:14.
:51:14. > :51:18.polling? It is a mixed picture. I worked on the Budget when I was in
:51:18. > :51:23.the Treasury and tried to tackle that. You will see a change in what
:51:23. > :51:31.is happening in Europe with the Euro Zone, discussions about
:51:31. > :51:37.banking. This is an ideal opportunity for David Cameron to be
:51:37. > :51:42.a lot harder with them about our terms of membership. Absolutely. If
:51:42. > :51:46.he loses this opportunity we will be in for a lot of things we have
:51:46. > :51:52.not voted for, for example the financial transaction tax which
:51:52. > :52:01.will affect the City of London heavily. We have vetoed that.
:52:01. > :52:11.haven't. Willows and the Treasury I dealt with this. We said no to
:52:11. > :52:16.transaction tax. It is a demonstration of Britain standing
:52:16. > :52:22.up to the European Union. You don't have the whole picture because they
:52:22. > :52:28.have not exposed it. Whenever the UK does transactions with another
:52:28. > :52:32.eurozone member state, the Euro Zone member state is going to
:52:32. > :52:41.collect the financial tax transaction from you. The same
:52:41. > :52:51.applies to the US, and Hong Kong. Can you train someone to become a
:52:51. > :52:51.
:52:51. > :53:01.world leader. The brand new Blavatski School of Government is
:53:01. > :53:07.aiming to train up a new generation. Oxford had had an extraordinary
:53:07. > :53:12.record for producing international leaders. Many big international
:53:12. > :53:17.figures spent years studying at this university. Now there is a
:53:17. > :53:24.more formal options. The Blavatski School of Government, its mission
:53:24. > :53:29.to train at the global leaders of the future. The school's first
:53:29. > :53:33.intake of students have been selected from all over the world.
:53:33. > :53:39.These potential presidents and prime ministers of the future are
:53:39. > :53:45.learning about everything from global trade to how to form policy.
:53:45. > :53:52.Who hear things one day they could lead a country? Not all of us will
:53:52. > :53:59.be politicians, we can be bureaucrats, the policy makers.
:53:59. > :54:06.have thought about it. More than wanting to be president, I want to
:54:06. > :54:11.be part of a group of people are put South Africa on the map. If
:54:11. > :54:15.that means I am going to be president one day, then sure.
:54:15. > :54:20.who in their right mind would want to be a global leader these days
:54:20. > :54:25.with economic meltdown on your plate, the velvet revolutions not
:54:25. > :54:32.to mention all those other foreign leaders to deal with. Maybe a
:54:32. > :54:36.course to prepare isn't a bad idea. If you are managing it crisis in
:54:36. > :54:42.your own city, there are difficult decisions that need to be made. You
:54:42. > :54:47.need to know which data you can trust, what you cannot trust and
:54:47. > :54:52.what kind of moral basis you should take. The students also get to hear
:54:52. > :54:57.from guest lecturers who can tell them a thing or two about how to
:54:57. > :55:02.get ahead in the politics. there is a need for leaders. People
:55:02. > :55:06.who have a strong sense of direction, his vision, but also
:55:06. > :55:12.know how to organise themselves and people around them. You have got to
:55:12. > :55:16.be very quick, very versatile and it tap dance your way through so
:55:16. > :55:21.many different situations and different challenges, remembering
:55:21. > :55:26.all the time and nobody owes you a living. Nobody is out there trying
:55:26. > :55:32.to do you a favour, they are trying to make a life as difficult as
:55:32. > :55:38.possible. That is as much as our cameras are allowed to see of this
:55:38. > :55:44.session. Now we're out of the way, it gets down to the good stuff.
:55:44. > :55:48.Students will have an off the record chat with Peter Mandelson.
:55:48. > :55:55.Perhaps they will learn some of the darker arts of government. What
:55:55. > :55:59.about global leaders at the moment, are they doing a good job? I think
:55:59. > :56:06.with the eurozone crisis and the economic downturn, self-interest is
:56:06. > :56:10.making a comeback. A lot of leaders are shirking their responsibilities.
:56:10. > :56:15.Something that does bind everybody here together and politicians is
:56:15. > :56:20.that they feel they want to make the world a better place. Is that
:56:20. > :56:25.you believe? I was eight years old and I remember watching queues of
:56:25. > :56:30.people voting. Even though I didn't understand what it was, I knew I
:56:30. > :56:36.wanted to be part of it. I am sure a lot of leaders in the world
:56:36. > :56:41.believe they want to change the world. As much as we will build our
:56:41. > :56:49.idealism, it is also to crush that down and see what is possible to
:56:49. > :56:53.achieve in this world. What is the X factor for being successful in
:56:53. > :57:00.politics? I do not know, you'd better ask someone more successful
:57:00. > :57:05.in politics than me. Say what you just said then. Was he a good
:57:05. > :57:09.Commissioner? He was there for a short time, but I do not have high
:57:09. > :57:14.regard for the commissioners. I do not think they have shown
:57:14. > :57:20.leadership skills. Those youngsters were good. It is there a place for
:57:20. > :57:30.idealism? Of course. You have got to be idealistic in politics
:57:30. > :57:38.
:57:38. > :57:43.Could your child get free school meals? Portsmouth council said this
:57:43. > :57:46.week more are getting them but many others are still missing out.
:57:46. > :57:51.More school places will be needed in Winchester after planning
:57:51. > :57:56.permission was given for 2000 new houses.
:57:56. > :58:02.And neighbours of Hampshire County Council were complaining their road
:58:02. > :58:06.was being closed to traffic without consultation. The cost is enormous,
:58:06. > :58:13.so somebody higher up must be very interested in pursuing the close
:58:13. > :58:19.sure. Political deals over a road cost Alan Whitehead his job. He
:58:19. > :58:28.told the Labour conference when they oppose the road, the Greens
:58:28. > :58:33.stood aside. And a new national Police Service
:58:33. > :58:39.was launched in Surrey, fewer helicopters and fewer bases. But
:58:39. > :58:45.they reckon it will work better. And national helicopter scheme
:58:45. > :58:49.which no doubt looks good on paper. I hesitate to say this to two
:58:49. > :58:56.accountants, but in practice don't people want control of the their
:58:56. > :59:00.own things? It is about trying to use resources the best way and
:59:00. > :59:04.squeeze out some of the inefficiencies. Talking about
:59:04. > :59:07.police and crime commissioners earlier on, we want more money
:59:07. > :59:17.spent on frontline policing so we have got to get the resources where
:59:17. > :59:23.they are need it. I think this should stay in local power because
:59:23. > :59:29.it is more efficient. They cannot be they're quite quickly if they
:59:29. > :59:35.are assigned to a certain location. If you have a national pool, it is
:59:35. > :59:41.very difficult logistically. I think it is more efficient to have
:59:41. > :59:49.a helicopter for each police force. It is the story of Europe and the