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:01:33. > :01:37.In the south, the town centre redevelopment that is causing

:01:37. > :01:47.ructions in Dorchester. No replacement car-parking, but the

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:01:47. > :37:28.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2141 seconds

:37:28. > :37:31.Welcome to Sunday Politics South. My name's Peter Henley. On today's

:37:31. > :37:34.show: The Charles Street redevelopment in Dorchester was

:37:34. > :37:37.meant to regenerate the town with a luxury hotel and new council

:37:37. > :37:45.offices, but halfway through the council's had to step in with �2

:37:45. > :37:55.million to keep it on track. Let's meet the politicians with me for

:37:55. > :37:56.

:37:57. > :38:02.the next 220 minutes. Caroline, still the reverberations from Ford

:38:02. > :38:06.pulling out have Southampton. You met with the chairman this week.

:38:06. > :38:09.Have you got to the bottom of whether they should or shouldn't

:38:09. > :38:14.have received this government grant just before they made it all those

:38:14. > :38:18.people redundant? We haven't really got to the bottom of that and there

:38:18. > :38:23.are still a lot of questions being asked in the house on that point.

:38:23. > :38:27.From my perspective, the most important thing that I can do is

:38:27. > :38:31.work with Ford, with the local agencies, to make sure there is

:38:31. > :38:34.support not just for the direct employees but for the contract to

:38:34. > :38:39.us and those in the supply chain. And it to look to the future to see

:38:39. > :38:44.what will happen to the site. it must have been inevitable and

:38:44. > :38:49.office to this government ministers handing over at taxpayers' money to

:38:49. > :38:54.Ford, that when Labour Cosworth third as British cast in Turkey and

:38:54. > :39:01.they did not have enough capacity, that was where the jobs were going

:39:01. > :39:05.to go -- labour costs? There were no discussions prior to those

:39:05. > :39:10.awards of public money. From my perspective we can analyse what has

:39:10. > :39:13.gone on previously. It's important that we do that. But it is also

:39:13. > :39:20.important to make sure there is the maximum support available for those

:39:20. > :39:25.employees. And also for getting new jobs in to Southampton. And that

:39:25. > :39:30.new jobs, Tony Page, in Reading, the employment rate is pretty good,

:39:30. > :39:36.but those are jobs for the future rather than those Ford drops. In

:39:36. > :39:41.this downturn, may be starting to pick up, do think employment is

:39:41. > :39:46.more resilient in the Thames Valley area? It has been although there is

:39:46. > :39:49.a major skills gap in the Thames Valley. Reading is grateful that we

:39:49. > :39:57.have been given the chance to work with the government on the City

:39:57. > :40:06.Deal and we have been one of the 20 authorities offered the prospect.

:40:06. > :40:10.It is not confirmed yet but the focus, it is around the skills gap,

:40:10. > :40:17.because we have more vacancies, a cohort of people who don't have the

:40:17. > :40:22.skills. The jobs are there, they can't be filled and we have got to

:40:22. > :40:27.get people skilled to fill those vacancies. That would make a major

:40:27. > :40:32.hit locally and it also reduce benefit payments and would also

:40:32. > :40:39.give people that opportunity to break out of an unskilled white

:40:39. > :40:44.staff. Tying a lot of things together. -- and unskilled at

:40:44. > :40:46.lifestyles. On Remembrance Sunday we're obviously thinking more about

:40:46. > :40:49.servicemen and women, and especially those who've been

:40:49. > :40:52.disabled. I'm joined now by Peta Wilkinson, from the charity the

:40:52. > :40:54.Enham Trust, based at Enham Alamein in Hampshire. It's a village that's

:40:54. > :41:04.been associated with disabled service personnel since just after

:41:04. > :41:08.

:41:08. > :41:11.the First World War. A remarkable place, where you are. It is. It was

:41:11. > :41:16.after the First World War that disabled soldiers first were given

:41:16. > :41:19.this opportunity to earn money, wasn't it? Absolutely. We were the

:41:19. > :41:25.first world war help their heroes and provided opportunities for

:41:25. > :41:35.people to have a home and work when they were returning from the wall,

:41:35. > :41:35.

:41:35. > :41:39.injured and sick. And after the Second World War? Yes, a pivotal

:41:39. > :41:42.point in the Second World War and pivotal for our development.

:41:42. > :41:46.Pivotal for the Egyptian people who put a lot of money into the

:41:46. > :41:52.development. How did things move on and had good progress in terms of

:41:52. > :42:00.helping people with disabilities? From the Second World War, were

:42:00. > :42:03.provided a home, work, social integration, we then created a

:42:03. > :42:09.charity to provide key elements every aspect of disabled people's

:42:09. > :42:18.lives to the border committee. We provide homes, skills, education

:42:18. > :42:28.and work -- the disabled community. In the Independent such a gender,

:42:28. > :42:28.

:42:28. > :42:36.the last 10 years, it has really going to ground -- the

:42:36. > :42:39.Independents' agenda. Yes, the focus has to be on independence and

:42:39. > :42:47.transition and opening up choices. We have focused ball-retention are

:42:47. > :42:52.making sure we build appropriate homes for people -- focused all our

:42:52. > :42:56.attention. It is based on their own needs and aspirations. There is a

:42:56. > :43:03.threat that comes from some of the support from tax payers at the

:43:03. > :43:09.moment. Is that worrying people? is very worrying. If we look at the

:43:09. > :43:16.report recently produced under Baroness Thompson, we found that up

:43:16. > :43:22.to 450,000 people could be affected in a negative way. 100,000 children

:43:22. > :43:29.could be affected by up to �28 a week. 230,000 disabled adult

:43:29. > :43:36.thriller cut themselves could be effected between 28 and �58 a week

:43:36. > :43:46.and 116,000 disabled people in work, because their disability component

:43:46. > :43:50.

:43:50. > :43:59.is moving into the new system and it could be 55 up to �45 a week.

:43:59. > :44:05.-- 75 % of people get their allowance pro-life time. Perhaps

:44:05. > :44:13.they are more independent of modern technology and we could spend it

:44:13. > :44:17.when people need it more? We are focusing clearly on certain groups

:44:17. > :44:27.of people. We think for a government needs to protect the

:44:27. > :44:32.most vulnerable people in society - - we think the government needs to.

:44:32. > :44:34.Caroline, a lot of worry. You think it will become clear when the

:44:34. > :44:41.assessments start being made that this is going to the most

:44:41. > :44:45.vulnerable? That is certainly the intention. I'm very conscious from

:44:45. > :44:50.my own postbag as a Member of Parliament that people are worried.

:44:50. > :44:57.They're not sure what is going to happen yet. The government is going

:44:57. > :45:07.to make significant changes. The delay has not been reviewed accents

:45:07. > :45:08.

:45:08. > :45:16.1992 -- big deal out a. It is time we look at it very carefully. --

:45:16. > :45:21.the DLA. And a lot of these things are being farmed out to agencies,

:45:21. > :45:27.aren't they? Yes, and a lot is being offloaded on to local

:45:27. > :45:32.authorities. A range of benefits is being attributed to us and

:45:32. > :45:37.protecting the most vulnerable is going to be a challenge. With

:45:37. > :45:46.pension is being protected, it means the cut falls more heavily on

:45:46. > :45:56.the remaining -- pensioners. We are having to consult to allocate less

:45:56. > :45:58.

:45:58. > :46:02.money, effectively. The fear is, and Patrick Jenkins warned in the

:46:02. > :46:08.House of Lords only a few weeks ago that this was potentially a new

:46:08. > :46:15.poll tax. Local-authority is having to pursue people for perhaps as

:46:15. > :46:22.little as �2.50 or �3 a week, often consuming more resources in

:46:22. > :46:27.pursuing people than the total debt. There will only have to be a couple

:46:27. > :46:33.of examples of people who were of the disadvantaged, and terribly

:46:33. > :46:43.unfairly, but among the newspapers and they will be, this is a crazy

:46:43. > :46:43.

:46:43. > :46:51.system. The welfare bill has increased enormously. The

:46:51. > :46:57.government has asked to look at that. The last thing I want is that

:46:57. > :46:59.they are vulnerable to be disadvantaged. If you've been

:46:59. > :47:02.through Dorchester recently you'll know that there's some building

:47:02. > :47:05.going on. Quite a lot of building, actually. It's all part of a �10

:47:05. > :47:08.million scheme to regenerate the town centre. Rather unusual in the

:47:08. > :47:16.current economic climate, but as Tristan Pascoe reports, it's the

:47:16. > :47:21.economic climate that's made it all rather controversial. There has

:47:21. > :47:28.been secrecy. There has not been transparency. It was never brought

:47:28. > :47:32.to the executive committee, never to the council meeting. Assurances

:47:32. > :47:36.it had been given are not worth the paper they were written on.

:47:36. > :47:40.just under �10 million, Dorchester was promised a revitalised town

:47:40. > :47:44.centre, new council offices and a county library. But halfway through

:47:44. > :47:48.cover the developers said the plans were unviable, so out goes the new

:47:48. > :47:54.hotel and crucially hundreds of underground car-parking spaces. The

:47:54. > :47:57.council has had to stump up another 2 million quid to keep on track.

:47:57. > :48:03.unfortunately, the council decided to place its new offices and the

:48:03. > :48:09.car park with 200 and we to six spaces, which is the equivalent of

:48:09. > :48:17.600,001 our parking opportunities per year. They have now gone.

:48:17. > :48:20.of our most established department stores is this one. Last month, the

:48:20. > :48:24.chief executive of this family run business wrote to the council

:48:24. > :48:28.warning that it is inconceivable that the new scheme would be viable,

:48:28. > :48:32.given the significant reduction in adjacent car parking spaces.

:48:33. > :48:42.Something the leader of the council reject. At the moment, our servers

:48:42. > :48:50.show there are a ticket -- our surveys show there is adequate car-

:48:50. > :48:57.parking space. These motorists disagree. I have spent 10 or 15

:48:57. > :49:02.minutes going round and round. It is very bad. Absolutely terrible.

:49:02. > :49:09.Especially when stays, everybody parks on double yellow lines. --

:49:09. > :49:13.especially under Wednesday's. is a hugely controversial scheme.

:49:13. > :49:18.93 % of our opposed to the council relocating to their new offices

:49:18. > :49:22.hair, and local traders say they are already feeling the effects of

:49:22. > :49:27.losing hundreds of town-centre car parking spaces. The impact was

:49:27. > :49:37.immediate for us. In the first 12 months of this development, we lost

:49:37. > :49:42.over 7,000 customers and �31,000 in trade. We rely on passing trade.

:49:42. > :49:46.Others say the council have bodged the scheme. They said, we will put

:49:46. > :49:50.our offices here and then we'll get the rest of the development. They

:49:50. > :49:55.have now said they will spend another �2 million, but still

:49:55. > :49:58.without a guarantee that we get the development. They're trying to work

:49:58. > :50:03.in an area in which they do not have the expertise, clearly the

:50:03. > :50:07.market forces aren't appropriate at this time. It is not a viable

:50:07. > :50:10.scheme. Leave it until things change. And some councillors say

:50:10. > :50:15.they were not given all the facts before they were asked to approve

:50:15. > :50:19.the revised scheme. At this stage, we now know that a viability

:50:19. > :50:22.assessment had been published the day before the council meeting and

:50:22. > :50:26.it was not presented to the council for consideration. That is where

:50:26. > :50:31.this whole process has been riddled with undone -- undemocratic

:50:31. > :50:38.decision-making. An auditor's report said the council and needed

:50:38. > :50:41.to be more transparent and open. Did you'd helical cap -- local

:50:41. > :50:48.taxpayers through your community link magazine that the second car

:50:48. > :50:51.park would be closed for 160 weeks during construction? I think it was

:50:51. > :50:54.absolutely clear. We have always said we were going to put in place

:50:54. > :50:58.measures to counteract the fact that those parking spaces were not

:50:58. > :51:06.available during the construction period. There has never been any

:51:06. > :51:13.lack of clarity and that. council says project will beat sub

:51:14. > :51:19.Dec two public scrutiny -- will be subject to public scrutiny. Where

:51:19. > :51:25.are the other me going to park? They will have no were. The outlook

:51:25. > :51:30.for these businesses is not very good. It is the transport issues as

:51:30. > :51:34.ever. Not enough car-parking spaces. Ready -- Reading is slightly

:51:34. > :51:40.different because there was a lot more transport than a rural area,

:51:40. > :51:44.but people still really care. And people seem to be care if

:51:44. > :51:54.politicians are spending money on their own office bays. Invading you

:51:54. > :51:56.

:51:56. > :52:03.have had a similar issue. -- their own office space. Yes, it buildings

:52:03. > :52:09.don't last very long. We have taken the decision to relocate to

:52:09. > :52:13.existing empty offices nearby, but we did have a scheme given planning

:52:13. > :52:18.permission about five years ago for a new office block. We decided

:52:18. > :52:22.after the recession that a politically, it was not viable to

:52:22. > :52:28.go ahead with the scheme. On paper, one could argue that it was better

:52:28. > :52:32.value for money, but politically it was simply not possible. We are

:52:32. > :52:40.relocating to an existing office block which isn't much better nick

:52:40. > :52:47.and what actually be accessible to members of the public -- which is

:52:47. > :52:50.in much better nick. But is the issue that it is the cancer was

:52:50. > :52:58.working and -- in an area where they haven't got expertise,

:52:58. > :53:08.property development, and those -- and they should stick to what they

:53:08. > :53:08.

:53:08. > :53:12.no? It strikes me that it might have been done that in a bit too

:53:12. > :53:16.close to a fashion in Dorchester. We had independent validation and

:53:16. > :53:26.experts assisting last. We used the services of Hampshire County

:53:26. > :53:29.Council, who have a very expert... Who have come under criticism, but

:53:30. > :53:34.they have a very skilled resource that we have drawn on to good

:53:34. > :53:39.effect. Do you think that the houses of parliament will ever get

:53:39. > :53:43.redeveloped? Not redeveloped, but there's an enormous amount of work

:53:43. > :53:53.to be done to them to make them safe, watertight, get rid of

:53:53. > :53:55.

:53:55. > :53:59.asbestos, and get rid of the Maes! -- but rodents. Not much longer now

:53:59. > :54:02.to make up your minds about who to vote for in the Police and Crime

:54:02. > :54:05.Commissioner elections on Thursday. Over the past few weeks we've heard

:54:05. > :54:07.from the candidates in Dorset and the Thames Valley. Today Alex

:54:07. > :54:12.Forsyth has a round-up of the Hampshire and Isle of Wight

:54:12. > :54:17.candidates. Hampshire on the edge of the Solent, home to Winchester

:54:17. > :54:26.Cathedral and of course the Hampshire hog. Here, police have

:54:26. > :54:36.faced budget costs. -- cuts. The force has balanced the books by

:54:36. > :54:40.

:54:40. > :54:44.posing police -- closing police stations. Using technology to save

:54:44. > :54:48.time. This chief constable has been at the head for four years, but he

:54:48. > :54:53.is leaving to head up the new National College of policing. The

:54:53. > :54:59.new PCC will choose the next top cop, and all six candidates are

:54:59. > :55:02.keen to get started. My natural interest in this job came out of

:55:02. > :55:07.the fact that my father with a policeman in Hampshire for 30 years.

:55:07. > :55:13.My brother is currently in a policeman, so I have got a natural

:55:13. > :55:17.interest in that aspect. That gave me the interest. I have also got

:55:17. > :55:21.the skills to actually do it. come from a background of business,

:55:22. > :55:26.and in these times of austerity, policing is very much going to be

:55:26. > :55:31.dictated by the Budget. I'm used to looking at balance sheets and

:55:31. > :55:36.making these decisions. Those skills will be very useful. In this

:55:36. > :55:40.election, I'm the only candidate who has ever walked the beat,

:55:40. > :55:45.warned a police uniform and carried the police warrant card. Turnout

:55:45. > :55:49.was not a problem at this recent hustings in Winchester. In fact,

:55:49. > :55:53.people were turned away. With the perfect chance for candidates to

:55:53. > :55:58.convince voters of their credentials. I have been

:55:58. > :56:03.responsible for a police force before. After that the fact that I

:56:03. > :56:08.have kicked around for a long time so we know my way around government

:56:08. > :56:14.-- so I know my way. Her will have all the right connections to be

:56:14. > :56:18.able to come to the right decisions. I believe I'm the only person with

:56:18. > :56:22.on-the-job experience, having been on the police authority for 16

:56:22. > :56:28.years. I have real on-the-job experience. I have no agenda have

:56:28. > :56:35.passion about policing. As well as candidates from four political

:56:35. > :56:39.parties can the two independents are in the race. A I have practical

:56:39. > :56:46.experience. I have got contacts from my old days. Angrily be

:56:46. > :56:55.motivated to do should the job. I'm Hampshire -- I'm very much

:56:55. > :56:58.motivated to do the job. I believe that party politics shouldn't enter

:56:58. > :57:04.into the remit. I believe I have got sufficient experience to

:57:04. > :57:09.undertake the role. I'm currently chairman of the Crimestoppers

:57:09. > :57:14.charity for Hampshire and Omagh past chairman of Hampshire Police

:57:14. > :57:22.opera to -- and I am a past chairman. Come November 15th, it

:57:22. > :57:25.will be up to you. Don't forget, if you'd like to see

:57:25. > :57:35.details on any of the candidates in the election, there's a special BBC

:57:35. > :57:38.website. There's the address on screen now. There will be a regular

:57:38. > :57:44.look at all of the candidates throughout the rest of the next

:57:44. > :57:54.week. Now our regular round-up of the political week in the South in

:57:54. > :57:56.

:57:56. > :58:02.The Co-op at cowls was the appropriate place for the launch of

:58:03. > :58:07.Isle of Wight milk. Farmers hope processing on the island will

:58:07. > :58:12.produce a better price. Dorset campaigners celebrated the decision

:58:12. > :58:20.to reject four industrial wind turbines Nick Gillingham.

:58:20. > :58:28.And Sussex MP and former minister and the cabinet warned people not

:58:28. > :58:35.to return to bad planning. Biting council is complaining it

:58:35. > :58:38.has been stitched up over finances. -- Brighton council.

:58:38. > :58:45.Bournemouth council finally yielded to local pressure, starting

:58:45. > :58:49.demolition of the hated IMAX building on the seafront. But the

:58:49. > :58:59.surf reef is again in troubled waters, as the builders have gone

:58:59. > :59:04.bust. On the wind turbine story,

:59:04. > :59:09.Hampshire County Council is proposing to ban wind farms, not

:59:09. > :59:14.single turbines from its buildings. It is a bit of a theme about his

:59:14. > :59:21.best placed to take these decisions. Many of them spent on IMAX and the

:59:22. > :59:25.surf reef, and the public hated certainly IMAX. It is very

:59:25. > :59:28.difficult for a politician to have all the expertise they need. It is

:59:28. > :59:33.better to have on some of these decisions out? I think local

:59:33. > :59:37.accountability is what really matters. If local authorities have

:59:37. > :59:42.good offices and councillors are well-advised, then of course they

:59:42. > :59:47.are the best people to take this. But they are not the experts all

:59:47. > :59:54.the time. They can take advice from all sorts of people. Transparency,

:59:54. > :59:58.Tony Page? Yes, I agree entirely with Caroline. If you want experts,

:59:58. > :00:01.you don't necessarily have democracy. You can go to some

:00:01. > :00:05.countries in Europe where experts have been appointed to run the

:00:05. > :00:09.government and they don't necessarily make better decisions.