:01:14. > :01:17.In the South... With bad GDP figures out this week, will the
:01:17. > :01:27.Government's new City Deals scheme power up the economy in places like
:01:27. > :01:27.
:01:27. > :39:42.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2294 seconds
:39:42. > :39:45.Welcome to Sunday Politics South. Today... Car have Oxford and
:39:45. > :39:49.Reading fared in the recession? Will there government's new City
:39:49. > :39:54.Deals programme help them come out of what looks like it might be a
:39:54. > :39:59.triple dip? Let's meet the politicians who will
:39:59. > :40:04.be messed me. Tobias Ellwood is the Conservative MP for Bournemouth
:40:04. > :40:10.East and the PPS to David Lidlington, the Europe minister.
:40:10. > :40:19.And also, the Labour MP for Southampton and the PPS to Ed
:40:19. > :40:24.Miliband. It was the speech we had been waiting for, the referendum on
:40:24. > :40:28.Europe finally on the cards if David Cameron gets re-elected in
:40:28. > :40:33.2015 and if negotiations were the way he wants. Do you know how you
:40:33. > :40:36.will vote? I want to win the next election. I do not think we should
:40:36. > :40:43.be having one in five years' time. We should not be having all those
:40:43. > :40:47.IFS. If you are in business, an investor, if you put all of those
:40:47. > :40:52.questions in a row, including will Britain event be a member of the EU
:40:52. > :40:56.in five years, that is damaging. David Cameron has really, this week,
:40:56. > :41:01.said, I'm trying to keep my party together I am not matching the
:41:01. > :41:05.British interest. You should be putting your cards on the table in
:41:05. > :41:09.a way that he has. We should say, yes, Europe needs to change and
:41:09. > :41:14.needs to be more focused on jobs and growth that is at the moment.
:41:14. > :41:19.There are things like regional policy that need to be changed.
:41:19. > :41:23.Let's have a government now, not in five years' time, that focuses on
:41:23. > :41:28.that and 11 sad. Having issued uncertainty of a referendum of in
:41:28. > :41:31.the distance is a huge gamble with Britain's future and David Cameron
:41:31. > :41:37.has only done it to try and keep his own party together, not for
:41:37. > :41:41.British interest. Are you going to tell us how you are going to vote?
:41:41. > :41:47.At last, the nation gets an opportunity to vote on its
:41:47. > :41:53.relationship with Europe. Why not now? Because for growth and
:41:53. > :41:56.employment aspects. The eurozone is still in a quagmire. We have issues
:41:56. > :42:00.with aspects of the European Union. What you heard from David Cameron
:42:00. > :42:05.is to say, yes, we want to remain part of the EU and play an
:42:05. > :42:11.important role of leadership in the same way we do with the G8, UN or
:42:11. > :42:14.NATO. Let's do the same with the EU. We want to change things, let's
:42:14. > :42:18.repatriated Paris. Once we have done that, then let's have a
:42:18. > :42:21.referendum. I think that will be fully supported for the reasons
:42:21. > :42:25.that John just said. It will be great for business and good for
:42:25. > :42:29.Britain as a whole. We agree there should not be a referendum now but
:42:29. > :42:36.it is crazy to say let's have one in five years. David Cameron has
:42:36. > :42:46.not spelt out what he wants to achieve. He will not say whether to
:42:46. > :42:51.
:42:51. > :42:55.vote yes, it may. -- come what may. It is a gamble. It was a monumental
:42:55. > :43:00.speech. Straight away you had the German Chancellor signed, we
:43:00. > :43:03.understand your concerns, we recognise the unique position of
:43:03. > :43:07.Britain in Europe and we want to come to terms with the fact that
:43:07. > :43:14.you want to repeat rate certain powers. Holland, Sweden, Denmark
:43:14. > :43:19.are sighing, finally, Britain is saying what we have wanted to say.
:43:19. > :43:24.This is a healthy debate which is long overdue. One person who has
:43:24. > :43:30.made his mind up is the leader of UKIP, Nigel Farage. He was elected
:43:30. > :43:34.by voters in the south-east of England. He would rather the
:43:34. > :43:38.referendum was not five years away. The trouble is, what Cameron has
:43:38. > :43:44.said is, if I win a general election, which looks unlikely, and
:43:44. > :43:49.after I have re-negotiated, in five years' time I am going to give you
:43:49. > :43:52.a vote. This from the same man who previously go with a cast-iron
:43:52. > :43:58.guarantee on giving us a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty. Trust, I
:43:58. > :44:04.think, is an issue and he wants to wait five years to have a say? That
:44:04. > :44:08.is another �70 billion of UK contributions to be you. How many
:44:08. > :44:16.more jobseekers and benefits Segers from Eastern Europe will come in at
:44:16. > :44:19.intervening period? If he thinks he has stopped debate on this issue
:44:19. > :44:23.until after the next general election he is in for a shock.
:44:23. > :44:27.have managed to influence major party policies on Europe, maybe
:44:27. > :44:32.make them think twice, but are you going to take votes and win seats
:44:32. > :44:36.in the House of Commons at the next election? Let's see how we get on
:44:36. > :44:40.in the council elections this year. Everything in the south-east is up
:44:40. > :44:45.for grabs. We have candidates in place for every single seat in
:44:45. > :44:49.Hampshire and Sussex. We are taking these elections very seriously.
:44:50. > :44:54.Everyone has forgotten that before the general election, there is a
:44:54. > :44:58.European election in 2014. There are lots of electoral hurdles to go
:44:58. > :45:04.over before we get to that. Will this move when votes back that
:45:04. > :45:13.would have gone to UKIP? This has been a very healthy move just not
:45:13. > :45:17.just -- for the Conservative Party. We are looking at the balance of
:45:17. > :45:20.competencies to look at every aspect of the European Union and we
:45:21. > :45:24.want to ask were balance should be returned. That is why we cannot
:45:24. > :45:29.have a referendum today, because the report has to be debated in
:45:29. > :45:33.Parliament in a couple of years. That will be be proved to say, this
:45:33. > :45:37.is the EU that we want, to be more democratic, accountable, more
:45:37. > :45:42.focused on a Single Market which will be good for jobs and growth in
:45:42. > :45:45.Britain. We have had 2.5 years in which the economy has not grown and
:45:45. > :45:48.a political party obsessed with Europe. I think the British people
:45:48. > :45:56.are going to say, we need a government that is going to get
:45:56. > :46:02.things going. We need a party that will produce growth and jobs. David
:46:02. > :46:06.Cameron, by saying the Tory party is banging on about Europe, has
:46:06. > :46:09.made a huge mistake. The newly elected Police and Crime
:46:09. > :46:14.Commissioners have started to make their mark recently, choosing to
:46:14. > :46:17.constables. There are names in the frame for vacancies at Wiltshire,
:46:17. > :46:21.Dorset and Hampshire and the Isle of Wight. All commissioners are
:46:21. > :46:25.putting forward their plans, outlining their priorities for the
:46:25. > :46:30.coming year. Katy Bourne is the police and crime Commissioner for
:46:30. > :46:36.Sussex and she joins us from our Sussex studio. How are you finding
:46:36. > :46:43.it? You have got your plan out, is it anything like a manifesto, is it
:46:44. > :46:49.what you wanted? It is exactly like my manifesto and I have had the
:46:49. > :46:58.bruv priorities approved two weeks ago. We have four priorities that
:46:58. > :47:01.are going to fit the pride -- a plan. You did say in your manifesto
:47:01. > :47:06.that you would have a special constable in every village? No
:47:06. > :47:12.mention of that. I am delighted, that fits into the public
:47:12. > :47:19.confidence part of the priorities. The why did you say that? We are
:47:19. > :47:22.going to recruit 120 specials this April. I am delighted. If why was
:47:22. > :47:27.it not in a Plan? It is in a planned, in the public confidence
:47:27. > :47:31.section, which is about increasing trust between the public and police.
:47:31. > :47:35.We are doing that in a number of ways, one of them being by
:47:35. > :47:39.increasing volunteering in all aspects of community safety across
:47:39. > :47:43.Sussex. The police are increasing the number of special constables
:47:43. > :47:47.and we are doing it as well because we have volunteers to go into our
:47:48. > :47:50.custody facilities, these are independent custody volunteers who
:47:50. > :47:55.look at the detainee is why they are in custody and make sure they
:47:55. > :48:01.are being treated fairly and properly. -- detainees while it
:48:01. > :48:10.they are in custody. There has been criticism of the document you
:48:11. > :48:15.produce, the one page draft Revenue document. Are you still finding it
:48:15. > :48:18.Your feet? Not you, personally, but the role of the Police and Crime
:48:18. > :48:24.Commissioner. Does that mean that we cannot really scrutinise what is
:48:24. > :48:28.happening with the police the way it used to be done? The police and
:48:28. > :48:32.social responsibility Act of 2011 clearly states that the role of the
:48:32. > :48:41.police and crime panel is to approve the police and crime plan
:48:41. > :48:45.and to either approve or veto the pre-set -- precept. Their role is
:48:45. > :48:48.not to scrutinise the Budget. I have a chief financial officer
:48:49. > :48:53.working closely with the head of finance at our force. They are
:48:53. > :48:59.drawing up a detailed budget which will be produced, along with the
:48:59. > :49:05.plan, on 31st March online for all to see. This is happening in Police
:49:05. > :49:10.and Crime Commissioner offices all around the country. Do you think it
:49:10. > :49:14.is good bet you are from a major party? There are so many
:49:14. > :49:17.independents. This is a political role. I have to be Awith ministers
:49:17. > :49:23.and councillors and I have to make decisions around taxing and
:49:23. > :49:28.spending. It is not about politicising the police. Policing
:49:28. > :49:34.is the remit of the Chief Constable. What is the public response? In the
:49:34. > :49:40.first two weeks in office I had -- we had and 3,500 % increase in
:49:40. > :49:44.correspondence to the office. I have just come from a life of
:49:44. > :49:46.Facebook chat with members of the public. I believe I am the first
:49:46. > :49:51.Police and Crime Commissioner in the country to do that. The public
:49:51. > :49:56.a really engaging. What have you taken away from that? They have
:49:56. > :50:01.left me a lot of questions and lots of input into our draft plan, which
:50:01. > :50:05.is still in draft form. It will not be published until 31st March. We
:50:05. > :50:09.are hearing the enormously from the public. I am out tonight on an
:50:09. > :50:12.operation with the police through the night, policing the night-time
:50:12. > :50:16.economy. I am sure I will hear from more of the police and public
:50:16. > :50:22.tonight as well. Used to be police minister, didn't
:50:22. > :50:27.you? What did you think of the way this is working out? The public are
:50:27. > :50:37.getting Class A! It is early to tell. I have seen no evidence of
:50:37. > :50:44.any impact in Hampshire whatsoever. He has not made any attempt to
:50:44. > :50:47.engage with MPs. Is that because he pays an independent? It is not
:50:48. > :50:51.necessarily a bad thing. I would be more worried if someone had come
:50:51. > :51:00.and started tearing everything up. Hampshire has a good record on
:51:00. > :51:05.reducing crime. The jury is out on whether the new commissioners are
:51:05. > :51:11.going to do anything that justifies the salary and a greater expense.
:51:11. > :51:16.But you have not got a police authority any more? The elections
:51:16. > :51:24.cost �100,000, it could have been spent on fighting crime. You have a
:51:24. > :51:29.former police man in Dorset? Yes, but he is a -- an independent now.
:51:29. > :51:33.Katy Bourne has illustrated some of the initiatives she is taking
:51:33. > :51:35.forward. That is happening across the country. What happened before
:51:36. > :51:45.his two constables answered to the whole office and there was a based
:51:45. > :51:50.joint between... They did not answer to themselves! There was a
:51:50. > :51:54.focus on answering to London rather than looking after the economy --
:51:54. > :52:01.community you work in. The police commissioner is making sure now
:52:01. > :52:11.that their boat was on what the people want. -- that their focus is
:52:11. > :52:12.
:52:12. > :52:18.on. People are now at the top of the system. What will we see next?
:52:18. > :52:25.We are publishing the plan and budget on 31st March. One of my key
:52:25. > :52:28.priorities, increasing the number of specials. That begins in April.
:52:28. > :52:31.The other key priority was to freeze the police element of the
:52:31. > :52:38.council tax and we have done that as well. You have not got long,
:52:38. > :52:45.have you? You have got to get re- elected. It is 3.5 years, it is an
:52:45. > :52:49.ice, long time to get started. This is not just about the police, but
:52:49. > :52:53.also the commissioning and grants that come this way to work on crime
:52:53. > :52:57.and community safety over a long time in the county.
:52:57. > :53:01.The latest GDP figures were out on Friday. They certainly did not make
:53:01. > :53:06.for happy reading. The economy shrank by 0.3% in the three months
:53:06. > :53:12.up to the end of the year. We could have guessed that by the number of
:53:12. > :53:16.game -- names of -- high-street names that have gone bust and
:53:16. > :53:20.Christmas. The government have a City Deals scheme. It does not
:53:20. > :53:29.involve more government money but makes it easier for local councils
:53:29. > :53:34.to be private sector did. We have been to Oxford and Reading.
:53:34. > :53:39.This is a tale of two cities. Well, almost. Oxford is renowned for its
:53:39. > :53:47.architecture, teaching, research. Reading is home to internet giants.
:53:48. > :53:51.Oxford and the county is not shy in coming forwards. I wanted to be
:53:51. > :53:57.competing globally, with places like Shanghai and Silicon Valley.
:53:57. > :54:01.And what Oxfordshire to lead Britain out of the recession. -- I
:54:01. > :54:09.want Oxfordshire. If modesty is more your thing, Reading's take on
:54:09. > :54:12.its economy may be more to your liking. We have invested in a town
:54:12. > :54:18.in the past and have a vision of the growth we want to see in
:54:18. > :54:22.Reading. We are convinced that we can help economic recovery over a
:54:22. > :54:29.much wider area. Just this week a research institute has put them
:54:29. > :54:32.under the microscope. university is a strength for
:54:32. > :54:36.Oxbridge but it may mean for Reading in recent years, there have
:54:36. > :54:41.been more private sector employees coming -- employers coming, and
:54:41. > :54:44.they have improved their position. Both have applied for what is
:54:44. > :54:50.called the City Deal scheme. It would make it easier to work with
:54:50. > :54:58.the private sector. That would help tackle Oxfordshire's chronic
:54:58. > :55:02.traffic problems. Today, it means buses, cars and traffic jams. Roger
:55:02. > :55:06.Bannister was the first man to break the four-minute mile. If he
:55:06. > :55:11.wanted to cover that distance here in a car, it would take you for
:55:11. > :55:14.minutes and 26 seconds and that is only going to get worse. We know
:55:14. > :55:17.congestion is an issue in the area. That is an issue when the
:55:17. > :55:23.government can help the local authorities to unlock some things,
:55:23. > :55:27.make the most of the strength of the area. For Reading, getting
:55:27. > :55:32.people with the right skills, not just from a case -- qualifications,
:55:32. > :55:35.but showing up for work on time, working in teams, but is an issue
:55:35. > :55:39.many businesses in Reading have said to me they would like to see
:55:39. > :55:45.increased. That would be a great thing to see. A lack of housing is
:55:45. > :55:48.also holding Reading back. Acidity would help make developers build
:55:48. > :55:54.home on -- homes on land rights for developments. The planning process
:55:54. > :55:57.is not the problem. We have given permission galore, we have got
:55:57. > :56:04.3,500 units ready to be built. Central government needs to ensure
:56:04. > :56:09.they are built. Both are already in a strong position, but what if they
:56:09. > :56:18.do not go on to secure at the deal? My ambition is to grow Oxbridge are
:56:18. > :56:22.without -- with or without the G- Mac. -- the deal. Improvement will
:56:22. > :56:26.enhance the area and people will want to come and live and work you.
:56:26. > :56:30.Reading is already looking at how to make better use of what it has
:56:30. > :56:34.in case it misses out. We need to see better functioning of the
:56:34. > :56:39.existing grants from central government so that we make better
:56:39. > :56:41.use of them for training locally and working with employers, we are
:56:41. > :56:49.at identifying better ways of making better use of existing
:56:49. > :56:52.resources. Reading and Oxford Show are two of 20 towns and sittings
:56:52. > :57:01.are chasing a City Deal. I expect to hear next month if they have got
:57:01. > :57:08.one. You were very keen on localism?
:57:08. > :57:12.City Deal is building on stuff we did under a different name. We need
:57:12. > :57:15.to devolve more power to local never -- level. What will happen in
:57:15. > :57:19.Portsmouth in Southampton is they will talk about areas of land that
:57:19. > :57:22.could be opened up. Can I get control over the skills budget, can
:57:22. > :57:26.there be money from a work programme to close the gap between
:57:26. > :57:31.poorer areas of Southampton, Portsmouth and the surrounding
:57:31. > :57:39.area? The acid test will be, will government departments, up with
:57:39. > :57:43.extra money and let go, let people at local level do it. If it could
:57:43. > :57:47.be done there is enough leadership and the local business community
:57:47. > :57:52.and councils to make a difference. You were in those departments. What
:57:52. > :57:58.is the reluctance, why did they not want to trust local government?
:57:58. > :58:08.tend to find the local government is convinced, but will the DWP let
:58:08. > :58:10.
:58:10. > :58:16.go of some of their money? It is empire-building. In their
:58:16. > :58:21.departments people are saying, that is my job you are talking about.
:58:21. > :58:25.The labels do not matter. There is probably a cross-party consensus at
:58:25. > :58:32.national and local level. I hope every page, other government
:58:32. > :58:35.departments get their pangas -- fingers prised off. It will not
:58:35. > :58:38.transform the entire economy but in local areas it can make a
:58:38. > :58:46.difference. A Dorset, the rural economy should not be forgotten.
:58:46. > :58:54.You have got a Silicon Beach proposal, is that right? Yes, it is
:58:54. > :59:00.not about creating cities. Bournemouth, Christchurch and prune
:59:00. > :59:10.in Dorset, it has often retarded and we are not suggesting -- it has
:59:10. > :59:19.often been touted and we will find it if Reading is successful. One
:59:19. > :59:24.thing is increasing links from the airport and seaport. Those are two
:59:24. > :59:30.key areas to promote employment. The Silicon Breige initiative is
:59:30. > :59:36.about giving the area a label. -- Silicon Beach. That focuses on the
:59:36. > :59:44.digital economy. The area is known for its tourism and at the
:59:44. > :59:49.University. More recently, the digital economy is booming in this
:59:49. > :59:53.area. The right local solution for each place.
:59:53. > :00:03.Our right to get -- are regular round-up of the political week in
:00:03. > :00:06.
:00:06. > :00:11.It was a struggle for public transport in the snow this week,
:00:11. > :00:16.but Oxfordshire has approved plans to make travel easier. Passengers
:00:16. > :00:23.can buy London's DAI Oyster card to swipe at goal. The council says it
:00:23. > :00:27.starts next year. It is your cards on the road and a win-win for
:00:27. > :00:32.everybody. Many are ramping up new technology.
:00:32. > :00:38.200 business and IT apprentices will study at a new training school.
:00:38. > :00:42.The technology is being used by the Department of Education to find
:00:42. > :00:47.parents to adopt children. Southampton council Waghorn debt.
:00:48. > :00:52.Finding good parents ready to take on that heavy responsibility is
:00:52. > :00:55.going to help. In red ink they launched a
:00:55. > :01:00.Community Charter, at council-run code of practice to end tick box
:01:00. > :01:08.culture. 50 care homes are promising to treat vulnerable
:01:08. > :01:12.adults as human beings. Isn't that the sort of thing carers
:01:12. > :01:19.should be doing anyway? Wide you need a charter to treat people like
:01:19. > :01:24.human beings. Of course they should, but it doesn't always happen. The
:01:24. > :01:28.initiative is a good one. We have got to ask questions about the
:01:28. > :01:33.people we asked to do the caring. Often they are paid minimum wage,
:01:33. > :01:37.they have to buy their own uniform, they have to pay their own travel
:01:37. > :01:40.and do not get paid for travelling time. We have a right to expect
:01:41. > :01:44.everybody to treat people with dignity, but we have got to answer
:01:44. > :01:52.questions about how we treat the people who we asked to do those
:01:52. > :01:56.caring jobs. Maybe some money needed. Will we get it to work --
:01:56. > :02:01.will we get to work, when it's no again? What did you think about the
:02:01. > :02:06.schools closing. I could not believe that health and safety was
:02:06. > :02:12.preventing children from going to school! One school, they phone up
:02:12. > :02:15.A-level students to come into do exams but sent everyone else away.