:01:13. > :01:16.In the South. We've had the voting and the counting, the cheering and
:01:16. > :01:26.the crying. Now it's time to figure out what last Thursday's elections
:01:26. > :01:26.
:01:26. > :38:32.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2226 seconds
:38:32. > :38:37.have done to the politics in our Welcome to Sunday Politics. My name
:38:37. > :38:42.is Peter Henley. Today, with the votes counted on the political
:38:42. > :38:48.kaleidoscope shaken, who were the winners and losers in the south? I
:38:48. > :38:52.am joined with four politicians. Louise Goldsmith is the
:38:52. > :39:00.Conservative leader of West Sussex County Council, Paul Harvey is a
:39:00. > :39:05.Labour councillor, Zoe Patrick is on Oxfordshire County Council, and
:39:05. > :39:10.Ray Finch is one of the newly elected UKIP councillors in
:39:10. > :39:20.Hampshire. We have seen you before, but now, one in four vaults.
:39:20. > :39:21.
:39:21. > :39:26.political landscape has changed. We have now broken the mould, and
:39:26. > :39:35.we're going to be building all the way through. It was the
:39:35. > :39:45.Conservatives you took from? general. We have beaten the
:39:45. > :39:50.Conservatives, but we are drawing There was no Labour councillor lost
:39:50. > :39:57.the UKIP. You're not worried by that? They are an important factor
:39:57. > :40:02.now, and no one should ignore them. How we respond is the main issue.
:40:02. > :40:08.Labour did not lose any seats to UKIP. We gained in the south and
:40:08. > :40:13.all the key target areas. Really? Everywhere you wanted? Yes,
:40:13. > :40:21.Hastings and Banbury, Oxford. centre of what needs. Yes, the
:40:21. > :40:31.middle of the Prime Minister's constituency. It shows the progress
:40:31. > :40:33.
:40:33. > :40:37.we are making. And Weymouth in Dorset. It bodes well for the
:40:37. > :40:40.general election, building support in those areas are. But they are
:40:41. > :40:46.few and far between. It is only the areas where you have Labour Party
:40:46. > :40:54.members. We have them all over the place. In terms of concentrating
:40:54. > :41:00.where we will win and achieve results on the ground, you are
:41:01. > :41:06.right, but as a party we are coming back across those areas. We are
:41:06. > :41:15.growing again as a Labour Party in the south-east. Right. Patrick, the
:41:15. > :41:21.Liberal Democrats really did lose a lot. -- Zoe Patrick. Were you
:41:21. > :41:26.expecting this to be as bad? When you're in a coalition government,
:41:26. > :41:35.the National Party of things does comedown a bit to the local level.
:41:35. > :41:39.From the point of view of on to -- we held on to all the
:41:39. > :41:47.seats we hadn't made some gains. We were very pleased with what
:41:47. > :41:56.happened. The target place, again you lost a parliamentary seat, but
:41:56. > :42:01.If you are just campaigning where you have parliamentary seats, that
:42:01. > :42:05.is even fewer than Labour? really. All of the seats that we
:42:05. > :42:09.held were the ones that counsellors worked hard in their communities, I
:42:09. > :42:13.think Lib Dems are known for getting on and getting the job done.
:42:13. > :42:17.We were all re-elected in the areas where we work hard and were
:42:17. > :42:24.recognised. None of those seats were lost. And regained those in
:42:24. > :42:31.the Oxford West and Abingdon, and again that is very important to us.
:42:31. > :42:37.Another one in the Wantage constituency. We were very pleased
:42:37. > :42:43.with our performance. Louise, what was the highlight for you?
:42:43. > :42:48.highlight was we started off with 47 Conservatives, and we ended up
:42:48. > :42:54.at the end of the count with 46 Conservatives. We had a few losses
:42:54. > :43:01.and a few games. I think Labour could have done better. We held
:43:01. > :43:07.till Gayton furnace in Crawley, and he had a tourer -- did a terrific
:43:07. > :43:11.would have held on to another division in Crawley. In Little
:43:11. > :43:18.Hampton town, we thought it would go to Labour, but it went to Lib
:43:18. > :43:27.Dem, which was interesting. Seven out of eight in Hastings. The
:43:27. > :43:33.Labour Party are strong. UKIP are now the National opposition.
:43:33. > :43:41.Wherever someone stands, UKIP generally are second place or are
:43:41. > :43:45.All of these parties have specific areas of strength. In other places
:43:45. > :43:55.they have nothing. If you look at the results, we work more often
:43:55. > :44:07.
:44:07. > :44:11.than not either first or second. Thursday 2nd May, it is your chance
:44:11. > :44:18.to have you see. A town crier and sunny weather
:44:18. > :44:28.wasn't enough to tempt many voters. The turnout was well under 40% in
:44:28. > :44:29.
:44:29. > :44:34.The overnight results set the pattern for the rest of the day.
:44:34. > :44:40.Hampshire so UKIP winning 10 seats across the county. Bad news for the
:44:40. > :44:45.Lib Dems, who lost eight overall. Labour jumped from having no seats
:44:45. > :44:54.on the council to four on the new one. The council leader promptly
:44:54. > :44:59.Dorset stays in the Tory fold. They will also be getting a new leader.
:44:59. > :45:02.Angus Campbell said he would stand down before the ballot. UKIP scored
:45:02. > :45:08.another win, but their candidate had been so convinced he would lose
:45:08. > :45:13.that he did not turn up. Labour were chipper about picking up five
:45:13. > :45:17.seats around Weymouth and Portland. This result tonight is partly a
:45:17. > :45:24.reflection on how strong the Labour Party has become across the country,
:45:24. > :45:30.but also the hard work we have put The Conservatives safely held onto
:45:30. > :45:34.West Sussex, but the Lib Dem vote collapsed and they lost 10 seats.
:45:34. > :45:37.UKIP pushed them into third place, getting 10 councillors elected.
:45:37. > :45:41.Some cheer for Labour who picked up their target seats around Crawley,
:45:41. > :45:47.ending up with double the councillors they had before. It was
:45:47. > :45:53.not long before recriminations over UKIP's success began. There are a
:45:53. > :45:57.couple of issues that I feel the ruling elite will not discuss, and
:45:57. > :46:00.they think that the little people do not know what we're talking
:46:00. > :46:04.about. But we can listen and we do have values.
:46:04. > :46:10.I Conservative hold in Buckinghamshire, but UKIP picked up
:46:10. > :46:15.half a dozen seats there, and pushed Lib Dems into third place.
:46:15. > :46:21.In Oxfordshire, it was a different story. The county but the trend and
:46:21. > :46:25.did not elect a single UKIP councillor. Labour was the party
:46:25. > :46:31.making significant gains. They now have 15 seats, including one in the
:46:31. > :46:36.Prime Minister's home town of with me. -- Whitney. The Conservatives
:46:36. > :46:41.are just one seat short of a majority. A major upset on the Isle
:46:41. > :46:46.of Wight, and a third council to be definitely getting a new leader.
:46:47. > :46:52.The Conservative lost his seat by just 10 votes, to one of the 20
:46:52. > :46:56.independent or non- aligned councils. There is a genuine risk
:46:56. > :46:59.that the island will not have a firm direction, but Meiji -- maybe
:46:59. > :47:08.a more collegiate approach will, for good.
:47:08. > :47:13.The South... With all the losses and the UKIP and Labour gains, it
:47:14. > :47:17.is a lighter shade of blue than last week.
:47:17. > :47:21.Louise Goldsmith, what shade of blue do you think David Cameron
:47:21. > :47:29.will need to win this next election? Do you think he has to
:47:29. > :47:34.listen to the result? It is a sign that there is a different view of
:47:34. > :47:37.Westminster, out of touch with how people feel. I am not sure if they
:47:37. > :47:41.are out of touch, but they have been focused on a number of things.
:47:41. > :47:45.They had sorted out the economy, trying to sort out the deficit,
:47:46. > :47:51.which is down 1/3. Immigration is down 1/3. They have done some
:47:51. > :47:54.cracking things. But immigration was the big UKIP issue. That is
:47:54. > :48:00.what I am coming to. Getting that message out, we have not done that
:48:00. > :48:04.well. I was surprised because I was talking about -- to people about
:48:04. > :48:09.some of our policies, he said they did not realise we were doing that.
:48:09. > :48:13.There is something about going back and connecting, and I think people
:48:13. > :48:19.have been focused on doing a job, but they have not done that
:48:19. > :48:24.communication well. That is the message sent to the, I know the
:48:24. > :48:30.councillors have been getting that message out, and I see they have
:48:30. > :48:39.liked what we said under policies, and the result is there to be seen.
:48:39. > :48:42.It looks as if Labour have been chasing the right to? Immigration
:48:43. > :48:45.is a key issue, and her what is discussed his key. The word has
:48:45. > :48:52.become negative, and people have genuine concerns and we need to
:48:52. > :48:57.listen to that. Nine times out of 10 it is about jobs, housing, the
:48:57. > :49:01.issues that affect their lives. Unless we actually address those
:49:01. > :49:07.issues and talked to the issues and an invalid, with real policies but
:49:07. > :49:11.talk about making a difference -- laptop about making a difference,
:49:12. > :49:15.that talk about the issues of jobs and social housing, it is a joke
:49:15. > :49:20.that the Tories have got the economy under control. Debt is
:49:20. > :49:24.rising, we are at low growth. Unless we address those issues,
:49:24. > :49:29.people will be concerned. Immigration has been an issue, but
:49:30. > :49:37.it is how we talk about a ton debated properly. It can become
:49:37. > :49:41.destructive turning it into a negative. What have you got to
:49:41. > :49:45.change and the Liberal Democrat? That issue came across a in our
:49:45. > :49:49.area where we have a lot of housing coming, and a lot of people do
:49:49. > :49:53.think that some of this is due to the fact that we have more people
:49:53. > :50:03.coming into this country and all housing is for this. It is getting
:50:03. > :50:05.
:50:05. > :50:12.the message across that this is not true. This was an anti- EU vote.
:50:12. > :50:17.Yes, but it is about making sure people are aware of the issues and
:50:17. > :50:23.that it is not just about loads of people swarming into this country
:50:23. > :50:33.and taking jobs and benefits. It is not that message that we want to
:50:33. > :50:38.get across, and making sure that we discuss housing and jobs, as people
:50:38. > :50:45.think houses are being built where their are no jobs, so it is about
:50:46. > :50:55.getting that right. Those are the concerns that we do not get the
:50:56. > :50:56.
:50:56. > :50:59.infrastructure with the housing. have opened a debate. Previously if
:50:59. > :51:05.you have spoken about immigration, all the other parties would have
:51:05. > :51:08.said we are being racist. They have accepted that is not the case. The
:51:08. > :51:16.second one is to get them to accept that without proper control, which
:51:16. > :51:20.means leaving the EU, we will have no power over immigration from the
:51:20. > :51:24.European Union. It is one of the fact that the European Union
:51:24. > :51:28.insists it has control over EU immigration. Until we have that
:51:28. > :51:36.fixed by leaving the EU, or at the very least giving people a chance
:51:36. > :51:44.to say whether they want the EU to keep control of national borders or
:51:44. > :51:48.restore it to Britain, and once more make Parliament worth the name.
:51:48. > :51:55.What are you going to do with those councillors? You talk about
:51:55. > :51:59.councillors and the EU, what will they actually do. We have an won
:51:59. > :52:04.any councils. But we are a significant force on most of the
:52:04. > :52:07.councils. We are going to look to see where taxpayers' money is spent,
:52:07. > :52:14.where local people's money is spent, and we are going to make sure they
:52:14. > :52:22.get the best value. This is nothing to do with immigration or EU.
:52:22. > :52:27.it impacts completely on the work are counselled us because it needs
:52:27. > :52:32.extra costs and services. Such as the translation services in the
:52:32. > :52:36.local councils, they spent �43 million last year on translation
:52:36. > :52:40.services. But councillors did not even turn up to the count, and you
:52:41. > :52:43.would admit that some of those paper candidates have been elected,
:52:43. > :52:47.replacing hard-working local councillors who did things for the
:52:47. > :52:51.local community and took decisions, this could be dangerous. It does
:52:51. > :52:57.not mean these people will not do so. It means they were not as
:52:57. > :53:01.optimistic as others. Louise Goldsmith, not as optimistic. Are
:53:01. > :53:07.you going to have a problem with these UKIP councillors looking at
:53:07. > :53:17.ways and efficiency? A look at some of the policies in 2010, and said
:53:17. > :53:18.
:53:18. > :53:25.she would bring down bureaucracy. We brought back down 30%. How much
:53:25. > :53:35.as the chief executive paid? About �170,000. Would you vote on West
:53:35. > :53:37.Sussex for the chief executives to be paid less? Of course. There are
:53:37. > :53:41.10 she executives in councils across the country who are paid
:53:41. > :53:45.more than Barack Obama, the leader of the free world. How can that be
:53:45. > :53:49.right? If anyone says we need to pay the money to get the best
:53:49. > :53:53.people, do not forget that councils are cutting wages and jobs of
:53:53. > :53:57.people on the frontline, making them the apply for jobs. Why can we
:53:58. > :54:01.not do the same for the people at the top? There is a difference
:54:01. > :54:07.between what UKIP are as a party and what you have achieved than
:54:07. > :54:13.done, and what people voted. We need to distinguish those. Where
:54:13. > :54:19.people were voting, they were concerned about jobs and housing,
:54:19. > :54:26.and they wanted to protest. But we have got to listen to that, and we
:54:26. > :54:28.have got to listen to what those voters are telling us about the
:54:29. > :54:35.issues they are living through, which is wrong because Tory
:54:35. > :54:40.councils are being cut. Those cuts are coming through on libraries,
:54:40. > :54:50.social services, education, all of the issues that are relevant. 150
:54:50. > :54:51.
:54:51. > :54:55.youth workers were cut in Hampshire. Labour always says all of these
:54:55. > :55:05.things, but you did not have give us a should problem when you left
:55:05. > :55:09.
:55:09. > :55:16.government, which is what we are doing. We do not believe in using
:55:16. > :55:22.taxpayers' money and creating jobs. We're going to build the economy to
:55:22. > :55:25.get people and jobs there. It will take a long time to switch. People
:55:26. > :55:31.were voting on this. Part-time jobs that do not pay enough, they need
:55:31. > :55:37.help and support on. They are not full-time jobs with proper training.
:55:37. > :55:40.But a lot of these are national issues. This is what the leaflet
:55:40. > :55:44.that the Liberal Democrats traditionally put out in local
:55:44. > :55:51.elections and national elections. Labour cannot win in the south of
:55:51. > :55:56.England. You say this all the time. Now, it is not just a choice for a
:55:56. > :56:01.protest vote, there is UKIP in the next. There is probably more Labour
:56:01. > :56:09.as well. Going back to the question about UKIP councillors. We have not
:56:09. > :56:12.got any. But they ran across the south of England. -- they are
:56:12. > :56:21.across the south of England. Will you have to stop using these
:56:21. > :56:26.charts? We will have to the address the issue. The important thing is...
:56:26. > :56:30.The. Banning this is that the Lib Dems have picked up lots of anti-
:56:30. > :56:35.Conservative votes across the board, but you have lost them now. Some
:56:35. > :56:38.people were voting protest votes for UKIP, I agree. We will have to
:56:38. > :56:45.address that. It is going back to what we said earlier, that we will
:56:45. > :56:50.all have to look at this. The challenge in Oxfordshire is that
:56:50. > :56:57.all of the UKIP councillors did not know the local issues. They
:56:57. > :57:00.admitted to that. But people voted for them. But you said it could be
:57:00. > :57:04.dangerous. I think it could be. Because they are not in a local
:57:04. > :57:13.election looking at the local issues that matter most to people
:57:13. > :57:21.in the area. They do not know what they are. I would like to pick up
:57:21. > :57:27.what Zoe Patrick said. I was out a lot, Anne Jupp won 10 seats, but
:57:27. > :57:32.there was people saying to me that I am fed up, I am voting UKIP. I
:57:32. > :57:37.was asking them what it was that they were voting for, and they said
:57:37. > :57:45.I am a Conservative but I am voting UKIP. It was a protest vote. Last
:57:45. > :57:48.word to you, it's a protest vote. We got 27% in the south of England,
:57:49. > :57:53.so they were doing something very wrong. They have not listen to the
:57:53. > :58:02.people, and the people have spoken. All of a sudden, they are listening
:58:02. > :58:12.now, now is too late. Thank you very much, all of you. Now, a
:58:12. > :58:16.
:58:16. > :58:20.round-up of the political week in On the beach in Sussex, Worthing's
:58:20. > :58:23.new leisure centre opened. �20 million of the local council's
:58:23. > :58:29.money splashed out to provide what they hope will be an iconic
:58:29. > :58:32.building. If it is going to be good, it has to be a lot of money. Good
:58:32. > :58:39.news for homeowners in Oxfordshire. The housing market is growing
:58:39. > :58:43.faster than the rest of the country. Her house sold within a week.
:58:43. > :58:47.much relief for first-time buyers. The average house price is nearly
:58:47. > :58:52.quarter of a million pounds. The crime figures might be going down
:58:52. > :58:57.by road rage on a mobility scooter is rising. There has been a 60%
:58:57. > :59:01.rise in Dorset in the past three years. After all the protests of a
:59:01. > :59:05.plant biomass plant in Southampton, residents have something else to
:59:05. > :59:10.kick up a stink about. Developers now want to build a sulphur plant
:59:10. > :59:14.half-a-mile the in the road. would like to know why it has got
:59:14. > :59:18.to be built and Southampton. I am concerned about the smell.
:59:18. > :59:23.-- in Southampton. All of the political analysis, we
:59:23. > :59:26.forget those things that we have to get on and do in local and national
:59:27. > :59:33.government. You have to find a leader on the UKIP grip on
:59:33. > :59:37.Hampshire, and you were telling me you have 10 people. We will find a
:59:37. > :59:41.group leader, we are having a meeting later this week where it
:59:41. > :59:48.will be decided. It has to be done democratically. Zoe Patrick, what
:59:48. > :59:52.do you get on and do, for stay back? With the new results for us,
:59:52. > :59:56.we have got to look at what we are going to do next, which is really
:59:56. > :00:05.important. The Tories have been ruling the roost for a long time.
:00:05. > :00:10.Now there is a chance for other people to have their say. With no
:00:10. > :00:13.overall control, that is difficult. What has happened in the past, they
:00:13. > :00:20.have taken all the chairs of scrutiny, but that will now not
:00:20. > :00:27.happen. They have been scrutinising themselves all this time. Now we
:00:27. > :00:30.can do the job properly. Labour cannot get involved in much of
:00:30. > :00:37.these discussions. Those groups will be having those conversations.
:00:37. > :00:42.But there are not enough councillor has. We have 15 in Oxford. It is
:00:42. > :00:48.Labour on other parties that make significant gains. I will give you
:00:48. > :00:56.last word, least. Have you got to the end of your cuts programme in
:00:57. > :01:01.West Sussex? We are on to the last phase. Men at his back to work.
:01:01. > :01:09.Maybe those UKIP councillors will have some impact. I am sure they
:01:09. > :01:13.will approve of a lot of the policies of saving money. OK. Maybe