:37:36. > :37:41.leads the way in the plans to stop of the programme. Coming up, it has
:37:41. > :37:51.been described in a revolution in the way we manage defenders. And
:37:51. > :37:51.
:37:51. > :38:01.forging the way ahead is Peterborough prison. It is the speed
:38:01. > :38:16.
:38:16. > :38:20.backbenchers. This is one of the most vital questions. The Bill
:38:20. > :38:25.doesn't guarantee a referendum. If David Cameron had been dragged there
:38:25. > :38:29.by his backbenchers, the Tory party is divided between people who want
:38:29. > :38:34.to leave the European Union and people who want to bring some powers
:38:34. > :38:39.back here. I was making the point that the real national interest lies
:38:39. > :38:43.firstly in reforming Europe so that it works better for us. Let's have a
:38:43. > :38:47.real choice between a clear vision of the future of the European Union
:38:47. > :38:55.and people who want to leave. That is not what is on offer and not what
:38:55. > :39:05.David Cameron wants to offer. are these terrible Tory back benches
:39:05. > :39:08.
:39:08. > :39:13.who have pushed David Cameron into this position? A referendum will go
:39:13. > :39:18.one way or the other. John will make his case, I will make mine and I
:39:18. > :39:24.will abide by the results. What is disgraceful is not for people to
:39:24. > :39:28.have a say. Not a single MP voted against this Bill. It will be
:39:28. > :39:32.scandalous and cowardly if Labour or Lib Dem opponents who don't want a
:39:32. > :39:38.referendum and are afraid to say so in public now try to strangle the
:39:38. > :39:44.Bill in health -- House of Lords and deny people their say. This is only
:39:44. > :39:48.happening because the Tory backbenchers don't trust their own
:39:48. > :39:52.leader. They listen to their constituents. It is not something
:39:52. > :39:56.that has been cooked up in the basement of the House of Commons.
:39:56. > :39:59.People are supposed to do what their constituents want. There is massive
:39:59. > :40:06.support for this referendum which is why nobody was prepared to vote
:40:06. > :40:12.against it on Friday. Negotiation first for reform. I am perfectly
:40:12. > :40:20.happy about the timing of the thing. We are likely either to leave the
:40:20. > :40:25.European Union or to be negotiated to some Swiss star -- Swiss type
:40:25. > :40:29.status. My main concern is that process should be amicable. It is
:40:29. > :40:34.important for us that we retain the goodwill and a decent working
:40:34. > :40:44.relationship with our immediate neighbours. I am perfectly happy to
:40:44. > :40:47.have a reasonable adult protracted negotiation. People like Daniel have
:40:47. > :40:52.made up their mind and he would like you to believe that everybody who
:40:52. > :40:56.says they would like a referendum also want to leave the European
:40:56. > :41:01.Union. There are lots of people that want to have a clear choice and want
:41:01. > :41:04.to know what Europe is going to look like. In the debates, William Hague
:41:04. > :41:10.said Europe would be very different in future. If you are going to have
:41:10. > :41:13.a referendum and a choice, do it when are clear what Europe is going
:41:13. > :41:18.to look like. Because of the Eurozone and lots of countries want
:41:18. > :41:23.to have more powers decided at national level, Europe will be
:41:23. > :41:27.different. It needs to be a choice that is clear. What is happening is
:41:27. > :41:32.David Cameron has been railroaded by people who are fanatically against
:41:32. > :41:38.the European Union and only care about getting out. Those who whose
:41:38. > :41:43.jobs and investment depend on it, are much more cautious about Britain
:41:43. > :41:46.just leaving in haste which is what these people want. David Cameron
:41:46. > :41:52.says he will campaign heart and soul to stay in the EU and yet you was
:41:52. > :41:57.still backing him. Neither he or I get to decide this. The British
:41:57. > :42:02.people get to decide this. It is always supposed to be the wrong
:42:02. > :42:05.time. The people who don't want a referendum don't admit to there
:42:05. > :42:11.being a referendum. They used to say that now is the wrong time for a
:42:11. > :42:21.referendum. Now we mustn't have one because Europe is the issue, some
:42:21. > :42:22.
:42:22. > :42:28.say. It sets a reasonable timetable four years from now. If John says he
:42:28. > :42:38.favours a referendum, back the Bill. This paled -- this Bill does
:42:38. > :42:40.
:42:40. > :42:46.nothing. I you going to vote against it? Have the courage. The mover of
:42:46. > :42:52.it is not asking for a referendum. Let us see how we go into the next
:42:52. > :42:55.election. It doesn't buy the next Parliament. It has achieved nothing.
:42:55. > :43:03.What we need is a Labour government that will seriously negotiate for
:43:03. > :43:06.real reform for a Europe that works. If that happens, have a referendum.
:43:06. > :43:13.In a fortnight, the Ford factory will close its doors for the last
:43:13. > :43:17.time. It has been at the plant and the home of the Transit van for the
:43:17. > :43:21.last 40 years. The workforce has dwindled over the years to just 500
:43:21. > :43:24.and that production is now moving to Turkey because the workforce there
:43:24. > :43:33.is cheaper and with it will go the last remaining major manufacturing
:43:33. > :43:39.of the south coast. Joining me is Doug Morris and you are involved in
:43:39. > :43:45.working out what happens after Ford. -- Doug Morrison. We have to
:43:45. > :43:50.recognise it is a great location. The one thing we don't want is we
:43:50. > :43:54.don't want a residential site in its place. What we have to do is
:43:54. > :44:02.protected for jobs going forward in the future. It is close to the
:44:02. > :44:07.airport, the port, the mail -- the motorway and it ticks all the boxes.
:44:07. > :44:13.There is talk about keeping a balance in the economy. Let's be
:44:13. > :44:16.honest, that is not going to happen overnight. We have to convene with
:44:16. > :44:22.all the relevant stakeholders and take some views on how we have will
:44:22. > :44:25.have to take that forward. Haven't you done that yet? We are working on
:44:25. > :44:31.that. This is a complicated site because there are three different
:44:31. > :44:38.owners involved in the site. We have to look towards the mediation in the
:44:38. > :44:44.site. There will not be one owner that will take over the site. There
:44:44. > :44:48.is a combination of various owners. It could be a science park, business
:44:48. > :44:55.Park, warehousing, distribution site. We have to provide jobs as
:44:55. > :45:00.soon as is. Also there is the business about the Turkish loan, the
:45:00. > :45:09.�80 million which came from the European investment bank. Ford's
:45:09. > :45:12.promises were made. I am not here to criticise Ford. The car
:45:13. > :45:18.manufacturing is in a boom at the moment and Ford seem to be the odd
:45:18. > :45:25.ones out. Here is a global manufacturer who can make whatever
:45:25. > :45:32.decisions they like and if one area suffers, tough. Ford's main market
:45:32. > :45:36.was mainly Europe and Europe has been through a recession. Major
:45:36. > :45:40.manufacturers, Jaguar, Land Rover, they are doing extremely well and
:45:40. > :45:48.export to the far east. It may be a combination of various factors that
:45:48. > :45:53.have affected Ford. I want to protect jobs going forward in the
:45:53. > :46:00.future. To do that, little bit of money to clean up the site. Is that
:46:00. > :46:05.the subsidy you are against? I agree with what Doug has done. He is a
:46:05. > :46:10.great local champion. I don't think Southampton needs subsidies. It
:46:10. > :46:17.needs a level playing field and twice now it has been hit by unfair
:46:17. > :46:24.subsidies to someone else. Liverpool ports and now the green investment
:46:24. > :46:29.bank to Turkey. Given a chance to compete, people will hold their own
:46:29. > :46:33.with anyone. What is outrages is to have British taxpayers, people
:46:33. > :46:37.watching this programme now, funding our direct competitors across the
:46:37. > :46:44.Channel. That is a scandalous situation. In our last section, John
:46:44. > :46:47.was talking about jobs in Europe. Tell that to the people whose jobs
:46:47. > :46:51.were tied up directly or indirectly and there are a lot in Southampton
:46:51. > :46:56.either with the port or the Ford plant. It becomes a race to the
:46:56. > :47:00.bottom if everyone is being subsidised. The way the commission
:47:00. > :47:06.works is one of the things that needs change. The key thing about
:47:06. > :47:09.Ford is we need to have the jobs of the future. There is a factory near
:47:09. > :47:14.Portsmouth that employs 1000 people but they make satellites and not
:47:14. > :47:19.Transit vans. We have incredible expertise at the University in
:47:19. > :47:22.engineering, optical fibres. The idea that we could attract companies
:47:22. > :47:26.to this region that wants to be close to those types centres of
:47:27. > :47:30.excellence is what we have to go for. If we can put it together, we
:47:30. > :47:35.should go to the government and say, if it is going to take money to
:47:35. > :47:39.clean up the site, that would be worth having. Why has it not
:47:39. > :47:44.happened yet? There are different partners that have to be brought
:47:44. > :47:48.together. The City Council, the local enterprise partnership, they
:47:48. > :47:52.are coming together to look at these things. You couldn't go to early
:47:52. > :47:57.because Ford are not going to talk about the future of the site until
:47:57. > :48:01.the closure is pretty imminent. We are at a time when the challenge for
:48:01. > :48:07.everybody is to come up with the best deal and push it as hard as we
:48:07. > :48:11.can. What levers do you need to get this to happen? One thing that we
:48:11. > :48:21.have managed to secure is getting some money out of the government and
:48:21. > :48:21.
:48:21. > :48:26.the Regional Growth Fund. We were successful in bridging the gap. For
:48:26. > :48:30.existing businesses to tap into some money, also for new start up
:48:30. > :48:36.businesses. We were successful to get that for Southampton and the
:48:36. > :48:42.Isle of Wight. We ring fenced off �1 million for Ford employees to apply
:48:42. > :48:48.for four new start-up businesses and grants. Have they been taken up?The
:48:48. > :48:52.applications have been so small. It is disappointing. It may be an issue
:48:52. > :48:55.of communication but hopefully some Ford employees are watching this
:48:56. > :49:02.today and recognise that there is an opportunity for them to tap in and
:49:02. > :49:05.get some money that they could use for start-up businesses. From
:49:05. > :49:09.January to March this year, there were over 1 million youngsters
:49:09. > :49:18.between 16 and 24 who were not in education and employment or
:49:18. > :49:22.training. NEETS. There is a problem with producing a lost generation
:49:22. > :49:32.that will never get into work. A scheming Banbury is having some
:49:32. > :49:40.
:49:40. > :49:44.work. She is a business Administration apprentice at the
:49:44. > :49:52.district council but a year ago her future direction was less clear
:49:52. > :50:01.after she dropped out of sixth form. I was living -- I was studying
:50:01. > :50:06.social care and other subjects. I was looking for jobs but I wasn't
:50:06. > :50:10.doing anything for three months. I was at home. It was quite difficult.
:50:10. > :50:17.Even if you haven't got the right grades or experience, no one will
:50:17. > :50:22.take you. She was put in touch with the YMCA's training arm. They said
:50:22. > :50:29.it was like school but it wasn't. They would help me get my maths and
:50:29. > :50:35.English and get it up to a standard grain -- standard grade. YMCA is one
:50:35. > :50:40.of several groups working with groups to help people in Banbury. It
:50:41. > :50:48.is paying off. The number of NEETS in the town has fallen 40% in the
:50:48. > :50:53.last year. It is about people and when we can identify those people,
:50:53. > :50:58.we can do something about it. It doesn't matter how you do that. It
:50:59. > :51:05.is getting to those young people and encouraging them to get involved.
:51:05. > :51:09.you take a closer look at the figures, Oxfordshire has 5.6% of its
:51:09. > :51:16.16 to 18-year-olds currently out the workforce who could go in. That
:51:16. > :51:20.compares with 8.2 across England. In the South, said points -- 7.4 and 4%
:51:20. > :51:26.in Dorset. That is not the whole story. In Oxfordshire, they have a
:51:26. > :51:31.high number of not knowns. Authorities here don't know the
:51:31. > :51:34.status of more than a quarter of 16 to 18-year-olds compared to 2% in
:51:34. > :51:42.Dorset and resin. Oxfordshire county council says it is working to
:51:43. > :51:51.improve monitoring. If students like these are still in college, it is
:51:51. > :51:55.vital. We tend to think of young people who leave school at 16 and a
:51:55. > :52:01.lot of work is done with those 16-year-olds but it is they give
:52:02. > :52:06.people who stay on for a year and decide things aren't for them and go
:52:06. > :52:11.into the job market and don't get one. They can be lost in the system
:52:11. > :52:15.and we work to get sure -- get -- to make sure those 17-year-old don't
:52:15. > :52:22.fall between the cracks. students are studying for a
:52:22. > :52:25.qualification in print -- food preparation. There are many who were
:52:25. > :52:31.getting no further training. From this summer, the government says
:52:31. > :52:34.that is not good enough. From now on, 17 is the youngest age at which
:52:34. > :52:41.you can leave learning. 16-year-olds can get a job they have to do 20
:52:41. > :52:44.hours training a week or so. If you are a disenfranchised or
:52:44. > :52:48.disinterested young person, the thought of going for more education
:52:48. > :52:52.turns your stomach. What we have got to say is, what do you want to do
:52:52. > :53:00.with life? If you want to many there are lots of opportunities. Let's
:53:00. > :53:05.start with what you have and how can we use your skills? It will improve
:53:05. > :53:09.the aspirations of these young people. They will get the training
:53:09. > :53:13.and education and it will all work in the right direction.
:53:13. > :53:20.government doesn't have any plans to take action against any 16-year-olds
:53:20. > :53:24.who don't comply. I am a 16-year-old and I decide to stay at home. Where
:53:24. > :53:30.is the legislation and who is going to find out that I am not in
:53:30. > :53:35.education and training if we are not careful? We may pick up that we may
:53:35. > :53:41.not pick up the vulnerable and needy. No such worries for Amy. She
:53:41. > :53:50.is confident she has made the right choice. I was looking for jobs and
:53:50. > :53:55.this came along and I applied for it. I actually got it. Amy in
:53:55. > :54:00.Banbury. The one that got lucky. Dan Hannan, Michael Gove wants to make
:54:00. > :54:04.the curriculum even more academic. It is going to be more difficult for
:54:04. > :54:09.these youngsters. He is also boosting apprenticeships and
:54:09. > :54:15.providing a wider range of opportunities. The hard thing is to
:54:15. > :54:21.accept the limitations of what ministers can do. The easy thing is
:54:21. > :54:24.to say, we have a scheme and we will create X amount of jobs. I hear that
:54:24. > :54:28.every day in the European Parliament. Look at where that has
:54:28. > :54:33.led. We have jobless rates for young people on the constant and the
:54:33. > :54:39.Eurozone that go beyond anything we dreamt of. Is it about an attitude
:54:39. > :54:43.of entitlement for young people? It requires a self-awareness and the
:54:43. > :54:47.reason on behalf of lawmakers to say, we don't create the jobs.
:54:47. > :54:51.People who create the jobs are those who are setting up businesses and
:54:51. > :54:55.running shops and growing small companies. That is where most growth
:54:55. > :55:04.is. The best thing that government can do is to make life easier for
:55:04. > :55:09.them. We had a good scheme that stops people becoming long-term
:55:09. > :55:14.unemployed. It was cute -- it was called the future jobs fund. Even if
:55:14. > :55:21.you create jobs and there is danger of part of each generation of young
:55:21. > :55:24.people never getting into work and also -- always claimed benefits. We
:55:24. > :55:27.should do something similar now which attacks the bankers bonus. Any
:55:27. > :55:31.young person that has been out for 12 months, there will be a job and
:55:31. > :55:35.there will not be an option of claiming benefits. You will have to
:55:35. > :55:45.take the job. It is tough but it is the right thing to do because the
:55:45. > :55:46.
:55:46. > :55:53.cost of young people drifting into benefits is far, far too high.
:55:53. > :55:56.all pay the price. I like John very much. I like you but you are
:55:57. > :56:02.completely wrong about this. It is the same phrase that there isn't
:56:02. > :56:08.going to be a staying in bed option. Gordon Brown said the same thing.
:56:08. > :56:12.is one of the more disastrous decisions that your government talk.
:56:12. > :56:16.Instead of looking at it and asking if it works, they scrapped it and
:56:16. > :56:21.since then we have seen long-term youth unemployment rocket. If it was
:56:21. > :56:29.all working so well, that wouldn't be happening now. What companies
:56:29. > :56:35.need in modern subsidies or special deals, they need customers. The
:56:35. > :56:41.problem is we don't have them on our doorstep any more. The Ford factory,
:56:42. > :56:51.it has been dragged down by the Euro crisis. That is bound to affect us.
:56:51. > :56:57.Not everything is Europe. It is about time you recognised that.
:56:57. > :57:07.can't abandon these young people. Let us look at our regular round-up
:57:07. > :57:13.
:57:13. > :57:17.of the political week. This week mile an hour speed limit in
:57:17. > :57:20.Chichester after a campaign by local residents but outrage at the slow
:57:20. > :57:25.speed of cars in Portsmouth on Saturday after roadworks caused
:57:25. > :57:29.gridlock. The council has promised to cancel all parking fines. By
:57:29. > :57:34.contrast, a �50 fine has been introduced by Cherwell council if
:57:34. > :57:41.you make a mistake at a benefit claim. The city's libel fines are
:57:41. > :57:46.being put to good news through the military covenant. Queen Alexandra
:57:46. > :57:54.nursing home is helping veterans. have a computer and a television in
:57:54. > :57:59.my room. I read a lot of books. easy life or more earlier batches as
:57:59. > :58:04.the government said there was an expansion of forces. A report
:58:04. > :58:08.revealed many bays were charging electric cars in Oxford are hardly
:58:08. > :58:15.used while the M4's, shoulder is being taken to provide more space
:58:15. > :58:22.for the rest of us. Something happening next Sunday,
:58:22. > :58:27.your replacement. As you got down to agree, you are off. It is an all
:58:27. > :58:32.woman shortlist. Members of the Labour Party will vote and they have
:58:32. > :58:38.a fantastic selection. Four very different women with different
:58:38. > :58:44.backgrounds and skills. And at -- I am absolutely confident the Labour
:58:44. > :58:49.Party will put a good candidate for the people of Southampton. How is Ed
:58:49. > :58:55.Miliband Hell -- handling this Len McCluskey pressure? He is moving
:58:55. > :58:59.very well. Things have clearly gone wrong in Falkirk and Ed Miliband
:58:59. > :59:08.said we're not going to have this happening. If anyone is abusing the
:59:08. > :59:11.system, were. It. In my home constituency, on the day that a
:59:11. > :59:21.Labour selected its candidates, Len McCluskey Grey tweeted,
:59:21. > :59:27.
:59:27. > :59:32.congratulations to our unite breaking the rules to favour
:59:32. > :59:38.candidates. Whoever is behind something like that, we will not
:59:38. > :59:43.tolerate it. Richard Ashworth has his issues and is not top of the
:59:43. > :59:49.list and not likely to make it through the European election.
:59:49. > :59:54.Depends on how many MEPs we select. I was against this silly system. We
:59:55. > :59:59.allow the incompetence to leapfrog to the top of the list. Including
:59:59. > :00:09.you? Including me. I was against it. I would much rather take our
:00:09. > :00:10.
:00:10. > :00:14.chances. We are reaching the end of the programme. Open primaries.