:01:37. > :01:42.What did the Olympians do for us was to mark with Reprise hordes of
:01:42. > :01:52.tourists to reprise the races they came flocking to one global telly
:01:52. > :01:52.
:01:52. > :38:50.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2217 seconds
:38:50. > :38:55.my name's Peter Henley. On today's show: did the Olympics really send
:38:55. > :39:03.hordes of tourists flocking to all the places showcased last year? Just
:39:03. > :39:07.how much has Weymouth benefited from its Olympic legacy? Paul Harvey is a
:39:07. > :39:13.Deputy Leader of the Labour Party on Basingstoke and Dean Borough Council
:39:13. > :39:19.and we're joined by the Liberal Democrat MP for Eastleigh. Offered a
:39:19. > :39:25.pay rise from 2015. Are you going to take it? Of course we will take the
:39:25. > :39:31.pay rise. It is an independent body. But it is not appropriate. It is not
:39:31. > :39:36.the right time to do it. People are getting 1% pay rises on very small
:39:36. > :39:46.salaries of a couple of pounds a week, I can only do what I did with
:39:46. > :39:47.
:39:47. > :39:52.my Borough Council allowance, anything over 1% I will pay to the
:39:52. > :39:59.mayor's charities until things get back to normal and pay is decided in
:39:59. > :40:03.the proper way. But, you have taken the decision. You have handed the
:40:03. > :40:08.stern independent, and now you have decided to hand it over to charity.
:40:08. > :40:11.Once it has been paid to me, it is my money to do with what I like. If
:40:11. > :40:19.someone pays me a salary and I decide to give it to charity, that
:40:19. > :40:24.is up to me. I am not sober warning the standards authority, I'm not
:40:24. > :40:29.saying don't want MPs to make the decisions but I feel that it is
:40:29. > :40:35.wrong for me to be better off by more than 1%, when people are
:40:35. > :40:43.getting �3, �4 a week, as a pay rise. Either that or you change the
:40:43. > :40:51.whole system again. You are one of the newest elected MPs, so we cannot
:40:51. > :40:57.hold you responsible for this, but it is a mess, isn't it? This
:40:57. > :41:00.independent body coming back with an 11% pay rise when so many people are
:41:00. > :41:05.getting pay cuts. The think they knew that it would come back with a
:41:05. > :41:10.pay rise? The relative is it has come back with an 11% pay rise, and
:41:10. > :41:14.that is wrong. MPs get a good salary anyway compared to many people and
:41:14. > :41:19.why should they get 11% over and above what other people are
:41:19. > :41:25.getting, pay cuts, 1%, 2%, at the very most. It undermines confidence
:41:25. > :41:30.and politicians to do the job they want them to do. I can understand
:41:30. > :41:33.what Mike has done and good for him to doing it, but the question is,
:41:33. > :41:42.should the independent body have come back with 11% in the first
:41:42. > :41:45.place? "It's in the national interest" - how often do we hear
:41:45. > :41:48.those buzzwords these days? But is the fact that something's a national
:41:48. > :41:54.priority enough to make it the trump card that beats everything else?
:41:54. > :41:59.This land is your land... There are plenty of schemes that the
:41:59. > :42:07.Government says are in the national interest, that locals say are not in
:42:07. > :42:09.their interest. Whether it's HS2 cutting a swathe through
:42:10. > :42:12.Buckinghamshire and Oxfordshire to allegedly boost the economy by
:42:12. > :42:15.speeding journey times to the north, the possibility of fracking to
:42:15. > :42:19.extract shale gas around Balcombe in Sussex and maybe bring down the
:42:19. > :42:21.price of gas and help keep the lights on, or the rush towards
:42:21. > :42:25.renewable energy with what would be the country's largest offshore wind
:42:25. > :42:27.farm at Navitus Bay in Dorset. And the history of these sorts of
:42:27. > :42:30.schemes doesn't suggest that local David often wins against government
:42:30. > :42:40.Goliath. The Newbury Bypass and the M3 extension through Twyford down
:42:40. > :42:42.
:42:42. > :42:45.both had vocal opponents but they got built anyway. Joining me now
:42:45. > :42:52.from our London studio is Tom Brenan from the Environmental Law
:42:52. > :42:56.Foundation. Is it the case, as is suggested by the Government in
:42:56. > :43:02.wanting these changes that local protest groups were holding things
:43:02. > :43:05.up and always getting their way? That is probably questionable. The
:43:05. > :43:12.evidence put forward in consultations did not act out what
:43:12. > :43:20.they were saying, but at the same time, the Government are making
:43:20. > :43:25.various moves towards saying that they are improving... Snails on the
:43:25. > :43:30.Newbury bypass, archaeological digs, things that stop developments, that
:43:30. > :43:36.were sneered at. Local campaign groups do have powers, are you
:43:36. > :43:41.saying, or have they been taken away? There are a number of
:43:41. > :43:46.different systems in operation depending on the project. HS2 will
:43:46. > :43:51.go through under one system. There are national infrastructure projects
:43:51. > :43:56.which is a new system and there was the bigger planning projects which
:43:56. > :44:02.go under another system so one of the challenges for communities is to
:44:02. > :44:05.find out which process is the one that applies, and then to find out
:44:05. > :44:12.the methods and the ways in which they can participate in that
:44:12. > :44:16.process. Looking at things like the Newbury bypass and Twyford down,
:44:16. > :44:23.those things happened anyway, and some would say, why bother
:44:23. > :44:27.protesting? It depends what sort of longer term view you can take on it.
:44:27. > :44:30.With regard to Twyford down and Newbury bypass, that led to the
:44:30. > :44:37.Government shelving its road-building programme for a number
:44:37. > :44:42.of years. And the point is, it is more about the quality of the
:44:42. > :44:46.decision-making process and the fact that people have a democratic right
:44:46. > :44:51.to participate and should exercise those rights. I was looking at the
:44:51. > :44:55.now that this babe proposals. They reckon it is going to be four
:44:55. > :45:03.years, not 15 months, because of the consultation that they are being
:45:03. > :45:07.asked to do. Is that good quality consultation, or is it time wasting?
:45:07. > :45:09.The length of time is not necessarily significant at what is
:45:09. > :45:14.important is the quality of consultation. Communities do not
:45:14. > :45:20.like being told just what is going to happen, and that it is just a box
:45:20. > :45:26.ticking exercise. That increasingly seems to be the direction of travel,
:45:26. > :45:33.to a certain extent. So it is just form filling. From the other point
:45:33. > :45:43.of view, how can the larger organisations make genuine
:45:43. > :45:43.
:45:43. > :45:50.consultations? With regard to the infrastructure projects, the wind
:45:50. > :45:56.farm who have mentioned is one of those, there is much more emphasis
:45:56. > :45:59.on pre-application consultation, so they are trying to get more
:45:59. > :46:07.involvement and the developer has an obligation to consult and has to
:46:07. > :46:17.present the results of that as part of his application. So, is it worth
:46:17. > :46:17.
:46:17. > :46:23.protesting, or, should we be pushing things through more quickly? I think
:46:23. > :46:27.these are both true. Thomas Wright, if you need to protest in a
:46:27. > :46:30.democracy, there will be some point when you do not succeed in that
:46:30. > :46:35.particular instance that will have a knock-on effect and make politicians
:46:35. > :46:40.think more seriously about the next project. That is what happened at
:46:40. > :46:44.Newbury, as Tom said. But, what worries people is when the
:46:44. > :46:49.consultation process goes on too long, it puts people and a sort of
:46:49. > :46:54.never-never world, is it going through my back garden or isn't it?
:46:54. > :46:59.Should I try and look for an alternative to wear I am going to
:46:59. > :47:04.work and move to that part of the country? That completely can freeze
:47:04. > :47:10.up all areas where decisions take too long to make. It does not mean
:47:10. > :47:16.you should destroy the consultation but there must be a more efficient
:47:16. > :47:20.way to consult with people, I would have thought. What about the idea
:47:20. > :47:27.that the community should get some benefit, which is happening possibly
:47:27. > :47:32.with fracking, 1% of the profits? Some developments play an important
:47:32. > :47:35.role in delivering that. The current government line is a presumption in
:47:35. > :47:40.favour of development, and you would lose those benefits in the rush to
:47:40. > :47:45.get the development. Do people know what is going on locally, and have
:47:45. > :47:49.they been told why the big government agencies, by the energy
:47:49. > :47:53.companies, do they know what is going on? And do they get the chance
:47:53. > :48:00.to influence the decision? You can have consultation but unless you can
:48:00. > :48:03.influence the decision that has been taking it becomes very difficult.
:48:03. > :48:07.Probably campaigning on a single issue and even if it does work for
:48:07. > :48:10.the future, you do not care so much about that. This 1% for the
:48:11. > :48:14.community from fracking, some people would say that that is just like
:48:14. > :48:23.money and it will make people fight harder against it. -- that is just
:48:23. > :48:28.blood money. Fracking is clearly very controversial and topical at
:48:28. > :48:35.the moment. What we are seeing now is evidence of where communities in
:48:35. > :48:37.the US have effectively developed their own community Ordinance, did
:48:37. > :48:43.prevent fracking in their community, and in fact in Scotland, in
:48:43. > :48:50.Falkirk, acumen at the council has introduced a community charter along
:48:50. > :48:56.the same lines, so there are methods that communities are exploring, in
:48:56. > :49:06.addition to those consultation processes. The fightback starts
:49:06. > :49:06.
:49:06. > :49:10.here. Thank you for joining us, Tom. This time last year the Olympic
:49:10. > :49:13.Torch was wending its way through the region - one of the things we
:49:13. > :49:15.were promised then was that all the hoopla and more importantly the
:49:15. > :49:17.international coverage would showcase the glorious tourist
:49:17. > :49:21.opportunities of the places it went through and bring foreign travellers
:49:21. > :49:24.here in droves. But as Paul Greer now reports from the Olympic sailing
:49:24. > :49:33.venue of Weymouth, which got showcased a lot more than most, the
:49:33. > :49:40.legacy might not be quite what was hoped for. Look, we all know what
:49:40. > :49:48.the Romans gave us. Good roads, good government, underfloor heating, and
:49:48. > :49:58.even tasty dormice. But what did the Olympians ever give Weymouth?
:49:58. > :50:05.
:50:05. > :50:10.Weymouth got a relief road, sailing legacies of the Olympics or things
:50:10. > :50:13.that Weymouth was long overdue to get anyway? Andy Matthews has spent
:50:13. > :50:21.years working with community groups in Portland. He is not fond of the
:50:21. > :50:23.word, legacy. It is an easy way to use, but at the heart of it they did
:50:23. > :50:31.not involve the community in what the community wanted to see as a
:50:31. > :50:35.legacy. The road was on the cards, with the Olympics coming they could
:50:35. > :50:38.have made it that bit quicker in terms of securing it, and Portland
:50:38. > :50:42.Harbour is a fantastic place for sailing. The Olympics coming there
:50:42. > :50:47.might have stood the process, but that would inevitably, something
:50:47. > :50:51.would have happened anyway. Andy is not alone in thinking that staging
:50:51. > :50:57.the Olympics last year has done little to lift the profile or the
:50:57. > :51:02.fortunes of Weymouth. It is the weather that has brought people in.
:51:02. > :51:07.It is not the legacy of the Olympics. It did not bring anything
:51:07. > :51:13.in. It is literally because of the weather. That is what has brought
:51:13. > :51:18.people down. It might have been built four years ago but many would
:51:18. > :51:22.insist that the National sailing Academy are still the love child of
:51:22. > :51:28.last year's Olympics. The sailing Academy was here before the
:51:28. > :51:32.Olympics, but our facilities have been enhanced by the games. We have
:51:32. > :51:35.got lots of youngsters on the water doing sailing and stand-up handle
:51:35. > :51:45.boarding and all sorts of activities. We have got a fantastic
:51:45. > :51:49.legacy. One year on from all of the fuss, security and hullabaloo, the
:51:49. > :51:55.sun is out, the beaches are crowded and the traffic is flowing. What do
:51:55. > :52:01.the politicians think? In the 60s people said what we need is a relief
:52:01. > :52:05.road. That is a legacy, isn't it? Of course it is. You have got dark and
:52:05. > :52:09.right, and buses into town, and lots of evidence on the seafront, lots of
:52:09. > :52:15.money going in here there and everywhere, and I think it is a
:52:15. > :52:18.tremendous legacy, actually. academies, roads and towers are in
:52:18. > :52:23.the bag, but those who know a thing or two about the holiday season
:52:23. > :52:28.believe that we still have to wait to see if there are benefits to
:52:28. > :52:35.claim. If the sun is shining in Weymouth, the people will come. It
:52:35. > :52:45.is all about that sunshine. They come here for our lovely seaside
:52:45. > :52:49.
:52:49. > :52:57.town. Joining us now is Mark Smith who's the director of tourism in
:52:57. > :53:02.Bournemouth. What is most important? The flaming Olympic torch, or the
:53:02. > :53:06.flaming golden ball in the sky? We want to see both. That is my take on
:53:06. > :53:10.it. But, however, how long do we have to wait to see the full
:53:10. > :53:17.benefits of the Olympics? For people coming from abroad, the reputation
:53:17. > :53:22.takes time to sink in. Locally we can see improvements because of the
:53:22. > :53:29.new roads, the Academy, things that have happened on the ground, but the
:53:29. > :53:37.impact from overseas visitors is already happen thing. -- happening.
:53:37. > :53:42.We have one of the guest centres for International education outside of
:53:42. > :53:47.London, and we have seen student numbers grow by 5% over the past
:53:47. > :53:53.year, which is important, because that business is worth �200 million
:53:53. > :53:58.a year to this conurbation, and that growth is larger because of the
:53:58. > :54:00.heightened profile and the extended interest in Britain, and we got
:54:00. > :54:06.showcased last year in a way that we could never have imagined,
:54:06. > :54:13.worldwide, and the impact was tremendous. Britain now has a
:54:13. > :54:17.slightly different image in the world? And Basingstoke we have seen
:54:17. > :54:21.sporting activity decreased. We have not seen a boost because of the
:54:21. > :54:26.Olympics. We have seen it the crease. The issue is the fees and
:54:26. > :54:32.charges that people are asked to pay to access sports facilities. It is a
:54:32. > :54:35.big issue. We can talk about legacy, but access, and having the
:54:35. > :54:41.community feel part of having something to do with the Olympic
:54:41. > :54:51.legacy, these are important areas. You would agree, Mike, initially it
:54:51. > :54:57.
:54:57. > :55:00.shot up. Jess, sports clubs have had 168% of their membership target.
:55:00. > :55:05.Park sport, not directly to do with the Olympics, it started to get
:55:05. > :55:10.children involved in the school holidays, but since the Olympics,
:55:11. > :55:16.the number of children attending has shot up. We have had free swimming,
:55:17. > :55:22.9000 children applied for it. I am a tennis player, and I find it
:55:22. > :55:28.difficult to book a tennis court. That is before Wimbledon. What about
:55:28. > :55:34.on the tourist side? Is your boat with the sun with the Olympics that
:55:34. > :55:37.have been bringing people to the region? I think the sun helps but
:55:37. > :55:41.people do not come to England from abroad expecting the sun to shine.
:55:41. > :55:47.They are not going to book a holiday last November in America because
:55:47. > :55:50.they expect the sun to shine in England. Locally, people might go
:55:50. > :55:55.down to Bournemouth, and Weymouth, and very lucky they are to be able
:55:55. > :55:58.to go there, it is a beautiful part of the world, locally, because of
:55:58. > :56:05.the sunshine, last minute, but you're not going to book a holiday
:56:05. > :56:09.from Japan or Germany or China because of that. We have so many
:56:09. > :56:13.positive attractions in all that area that you bring people to bring
:56:13. > :56:18.and visit numerous places. But these were the London Olympics. When
:56:18. > :56:24.people head for London? People will always head for the capital but
:56:24. > :56:30.there are other people who want to go out and explore other things.
:56:30. > :56:34.What changed with the Olympics was not just the facilities and the
:56:34. > :56:37.harder side of the capital investment, last year, we saw for
:56:37. > :56:43.the first time this idea that Britain is not just all about stiff
:56:43. > :56:46.upper lip. The idea of the games makers was tremendous and started to
:56:46. > :56:50.show a different side of Wigan, which is valuable for stop that
:56:50. > :56:55.makes people think, you can go and see the heritage but you can go and
:56:55. > :57:05.be looked after well and have fun. That has made a big difference.
:57:05. > :57:06.
:57:06. > :57:12.you look at Southampton court, they expect 48 cruise ships. They spend
:57:12. > :57:17.�2.5 million per cruise. And every year, that is going up. The
:57:17. > :57:20.coordination with Southampton airport is vital. It is now has a
:57:20. > :57:24.welcoming system for cruise passengers. It says that you have
:57:24. > :57:27.got to wait six hours for your flight home, and arrange for them to
:57:27. > :57:34.go to Winchester, which is outside my constituency, but it is
:57:34. > :57:37.fantastic. Coming back to the big society idea. We are all smiling
:57:37. > :57:44.because of the Olympics, still, even though some facilities are
:57:44. > :57:48.suffering. There was the quality of tourism we have on offer, you go
:57:48. > :57:53.back to the opening ceremony, the reaction to it, it was brilliant and
:57:53. > :57:58.amazing, something we can all be proud of. The legacy of that has so
:57:58. > :58:02.many different parts to it. Unless you see local authorities taking
:58:02. > :58:08.advantage of that, and doing the best they can for their communities,
:58:08. > :58:14.then the legacy will fade away quicker. There was a lot of interest
:58:14. > :58:17.in the Olympics and sport, 2.5 times the number of people interested in
:58:17. > :58:24.doing sporting activities and it is a case of making it available to
:58:24. > :58:34.them. Now, our regular round-up of the political week in the South in
:58:34. > :58:37.
:58:37. > :58:45.training could be improved in Oxfordshire. The county is one of a
:58:45. > :58:49.few not to fully adopt the bikeability scheme. Oxford City
:58:49. > :58:54.Council is considering offering loans of up to �75,000 to new
:58:54. > :58:57.applicants for head teacher jobs. 4000 new homes are planned in
:58:58. > :59:03.Aldershot on the site of the old Cambridge military hospital. Many of
:59:03. > :59:06.the historic buildings will be preserved. Police officers from five
:59:06. > :59:11.forces in the South are off to Northern Ireland for the marching
:59:11. > :59:20.season. That is despite fears from the police Federation that it could
:59:20. > :59:23.leave a hole back home. We -- who is going to conduct the normal policing
:59:23. > :59:29.on our streets and fill the gaps left behind? The competition
:59:29. > :59:32.commission is put on merger of Bournemouth and Poole Hospital is on
:59:32. > :59:40.hold, amid fears that patients will have less choice about where to go
:59:40. > :59:43.for major operations. I wonder if choice is what we are looking for.
:59:43. > :59:47.The GP gives you the choice of different places and you think, I
:59:47. > :59:52.don't know. And the Cambridge military, people really respected
:59:52. > :59:56.that. It was an excellent hospital with excellent provision and
:59:56. > :00:00.excellence and quality is what it means to be about. This idea of
:00:00. > :00:08.choice in the NHS is dangerous. You want to know there is going to be
:00:08. > :00:13.called it. -- quality. The Conservative government, in
:00:13. > :00:17.privatising so much of the NHS, allowing hospitals to deliver half
:00:17. > :00:21.of all their care privately, that door was opened by Discover, so
:00:21. > :00:26.we're going to some dramatic changes and cuts. In Hampshire, we are
:00:26. > :00:30.seeing �100 million of cuts in the social care budget, which is going
:00:30. > :00:36.to mean a big change for the quality of care that people face. Choice in
:00:36. > :00:41.that way is destructive. People want efficiency and to make sure that
:00:42. > :00:50.money is well spent. I don't think you can make a party political point
:00:50. > :00:56.of this at all. The most important thing is, people want health care
:00:56. > :01:00.free at the point of delivery, and, if you're going to have private
:01:00. > :01:02.health care looking after you, you want to know that they have been
:01:03. > :01:07.chosen for the quality of their work, not the price. This is
:01:07. > :01:16.something that the Lib Dem 's insisted was put in. The
:01:16. > :01:19.Conservatives were not going to do that. I knew that if we started
:01:19. > :01:27.talking about the NHS we would be here a little while, but it is