:00:51. > :00:56.Good morning, folks. Welcome to the Sunday Politics. It would be
:00:57. > :00:59.extremely difficult, if not impossible, for an independent
:01:00. > :01:03.Scotland to join the European Union, so says the President of the
:01:04. > :01:08.European Commission, Jose Manuel Barroso, in a significant
:01:09. > :01:10.development in the independence debate. It's our top story. He has
:01:11. > :01:19.the power to bring travel chaos debate. It's our top story. He has
:01:20. > :01:22.the nation's capital. Bob Crow joined us for the Sunday interview.
:01:23. > :03:07.Another by-election and Spain has been opposing even the
:03:08. > :03:12.recognition, for instance, so it is a similar state. It is a new
:03:13. > :03:17.country. I believe it is great to be externally difficult, if not
:03:18. > :03:21.impossible. Well, he says he doesn't want to interfere, but he has just
:03:22. > :03:25.dropped a medium-sized explosive into the debate on Scottish
:03:26. > :03:29.independence? A huge story. Alex Salmond must be wondering what is
:03:30. > :03:33.going to go wrong next. His pitch to the Scottish people is based on two
:03:34. > :03:36.things, the currency union with England and the rest of the United
:03:37. > :03:42.Kingdom, which was blown apart last week, and this morning,
:03:43. > :05:26.Kingdom, which was blown apart last that Scotland would automatically
:05:27. > :05:28.Kingdom, which was blown apart last having much sway. Are the polls
:05:29. > :05:35.tightening slightly? They could be within the statistical margin for
:05:36. > :05:40.error. They are, but not much. Alex Salmond's main page is one of
:05:41. > :05:42.reassurance. He wants to say you can vote for independence, a pound in
:05:43. > :05:46.the pocket will be the same as before and you will still be a
:05:47. > :05:51.member of the European Union. In the last three or four matter days, both
:05:52. > :05:58.of those claims have been blown apart. Angus MacNeil has already
:05:59. > :06:00.told BBC Radio 5 Live that the remarks are nonsense and he is
:06:01. > :06:04.playing more politics. We hope to remarks are nonsense and he is
:06:05. > :07:48.speak to the SNP's finance minister, John Swinney,
:07:49. > :07:51.speak to the SNP's finance minister, the news figures. We are being told
:07:52. > :07:55.only 3% of people use the booking offices. That's not true. In
:07:56. > :07:58.research done, if somebody does to a booking office with somebody sitting
:07:59. > :08:03.there and asks for a ticket of less than ?5, they are not allowed to
:08:04. > :08:09.sell them a ticket, it is madness. Do you use the ticket office? When
:08:10. > :08:14.it is open, yes. You said to ITV that he didn't. I don't know what I
:08:15. > :08:17.said to ITV, I don't know what time people use them, sometimes they are
:08:18. > :08:21.open and sometimes they are closed. People make out that these ticket
:08:22. > :08:23.office staff are people that sit behind barriers like a newsagent.
:08:24. > :08:24.I'm not behind barriers like a newsagent.
:08:25. > :08:27.however, these people were the behind barriers like a newsagent.
:08:28. > :10:09.people treated like behind barriers like a newsagent.
:10:10. > :10:14.know. What I choose to do... I'm not attacking you for doing that...
:10:15. > :10:17.You've got a picture up there, I've got to say, why don't they go and
:10:18. > :10:22.follow Boris Johnson when he was away on holiday, when the riots were
:10:23. > :10:25.taking place in London, and he refused to come back? Why don't they
:10:26. > :10:29.go and view the editors of newspapers, where they go on
:10:30. > :10:33.holiday? Why do they look at you when you go on holiday? They
:10:34. > :10:39.sometimes do, actually. The basic pay of a tube driver will soon be
:10:40. > :10:42.?52,000. Ticket office workers are already
:10:43. > :10:44.?52,000. Ticket office workers are mind a holiday on Copacabana beach,
:10:45. > :10:47.or membership by your house mind a holiday on Copacabana beach,
:10:48. > :12:29.you have done for them? When mind a holiday on Copacabana beach,
:12:30. > :12:35.wages. It's I'm all right Jack? The have put a pay freeze on by
:12:36. > :12:38.conservatives and liberals. The police constables, so have the
:12:39. > :12:43.teachers. We have had the ability to go and fight. The reality is, at the
:12:44. > :12:48.end of the day, as I have said before, no one is going to put up
:12:49. > :12:53.the cause for workers. Not one single party in parliament are
:12:54. > :12:55.fighting the cause for workers. They all support privatisation, they all
:12:56. > :13:00.support keeping the anti-trade union laws, they all support illegal wars
:13:01. > :13:02.around the world. Unless they have a fighting trade union, our members
:13:03. > :13:05.pay would be as low as some fighting trade union, our members
:13:06. > :14:51.You said we could not care less conditions for the workers. But you
:14:52. > :14:55.have made Labour so expensive on the underground that management now has
:14:56. > :14:59.a huge incentive to substitute technology for Labour. And that s
:15:00. > :15:02.what it's going to do, it is closing the ticket offices and very soon,
:15:03. > :15:07.starting in 2016, the driverless trains coming. What I am saying is
:15:08. > :15:19.that your members should enjoy this because it's not going to last.
:15:20. > :15:25.Driverless trains are not coming in, it is not safe. We have them in
:15:26. > :17:11.Nuremberg, Shanghai, Sao in, it is not safe. We have them in
:17:12. > :17:18.ticket office. You cannot compare for example Chesham with the likes
:17:19. > :17:24.of Heathrow. Are you telling me people are going to be on a long
:17:25. > :17:29.transatlantic flight, arrived at Heathrow and cannot get a ticket.
:17:30. > :17:35.The stuff will be redeployed on the concourse. The simple problem is
:17:36. > :17:42.that it is not just about the booking office, it is about people
:17:43. > :17:44.having a visual. If you are partially sighted, you
:17:45. > :17:47.having a visual. If you are the machines. If British is not your
:17:48. > :19:30.first language, you cannot the machines. If British is not your
:19:31. > :19:37.more staff to deal with them. Let's look at your mandate to strike. Of
:19:38. > :19:46.your members who work on the Tube, only 40% bothered to vote. Only 30%
:19:47. > :19:51.voted for the strike, so 70% actually didn't vote to strike of
:19:52. > :19:57.your members, but the strike went ahead. Isn't it right to have a
:19:58. > :20:02.higher threshold before you can cause this disruption? It would be
:20:03. > :20:08.Tories took that away. We used to Tories took that away. We used to
:20:09. > :21:52.I'm trying to say Tories took that away. We used to
:21:53. > :21:59.badly run as you think, why don t you run for mayor? That is down the
:22:00. > :22:04.road, it has not come up yet. I m not ruling anything out. I'm not
:22:05. > :22:10.ruling out getting your job on the Sunday Politics. You have got to
:22:11. > :22:17.retire as well, you have got to put your feet up. I will get you to
:22:18. > :22:22.renegotiate my package. Shall we go on strike first? If I could have
:22:23. > :22:28.your wages, I would have two trips to Rio every year.
:22:29. > :24:18.your wages, I would have two trips that he wanted to lay out that
:24:19. > :24:26.Scotland should be in no doubt that if they vote for independence they
:24:27. > :24:30.will have to apply for European membership and they may not get it
:24:31. > :24:35.if it is vetoed by other members. What he didn't say is that no state
:24:36. > :24:41.of the European Union have indicated they would veto Scottish
:24:42. > :24:47.membership. The Spanish foreign minister has. They have said that if
:24:48. > :26:30.there is an agreed process within the UK
:26:31. > :26:33.there is an agreed process within will have to accept the euro. We
:26:34. > :26:41.have set out an option on the currency arrangements which would be
:26:42. > :26:48.to establish the currency union You would have to adopt the euro. That's
:26:49. > :26:52.not rate because you have to be part of the exchange-rate mechanism for
:26:53. > :26:55.two years before you can apply for membership and an independent
:26:56. > :27:01.Scotland has no intention of signing up to the exchange rate mechanism or
:27:02. > :27:04.the single currency. We are concentrating on setting out
:27:05. > :27:06.the single currency. We are arguments for maintaining the pound
:27:07. > :27:08.the single currency. We are sterling, which is in the interests
:27:09. > :28:51.of sterling, which is in the interests
:28:52. > :28:55.wanted to win. My mistake. How are you feeling? It is a Labour
:28:56. > :29:03.stronghold, we always knew it was going to be a fight. Labour were
:29:04. > :29:06.running scared of letting us present our arguments. UKIP's campaign in
:29:07. > :29:10.Wythenshawe didn't point to the right but to the left, with leaflets
:29:11. > :29:13.that branded Labour as a party of millionaires who didn't care about
:29:14. > :29:16.the working class. It wasn't a winning strategy but it did help
:29:17. > :29:21.them beat the Tories who focused on dog mess and potholes instead.
:29:22. > :29:27.Professional UKIP-watcher Rob Ford from Manchester Uni thinks they
:29:28. > :31:10.could be on the right track. He s analysed the views
:31:11. > :31:16.could be on the right track. He s time. Not helping, Nigel? I had
:31:17. > :31:19.major surgery on the 19th of November and I am still weak as a
:31:20. > :31:24.kitten. I can barely lift a pint with my right hand, it is as serious
:31:25. > :31:28.as that. The answer is, Carreon chaps, you're all doing a very good
:31:29. > :31:32.job. There will be carrying on to the European elections in May, which
:31:33. > :31:35.will provide more evidence of if the UKIP and wagon is powering on or if
:31:36. > :31:40.will provide more evidence of if the it is just parked. -- bandwagon
:31:41. > :33:30.will provide more evidence of if the With me now is the Conservative
:33:31. > :33:34.will provide more evidence of if the They vote that because they want
:33:35. > :33:38.change. The problem is, Patrick s party have had MEPs since 1999 and
:33:39. > :33:43.they cannot deliver that change They can't because they don't have
:33:44. > :33:48.seats in Westminster. It was on that video, the only way we are going to
:33:49. > :33:52.get the change we want in Europe is to have that referendum and have the
:33:53. > :34:01.renegotiation, and that means vote Tory. What do you say to that? Let's
:34:02. > :34:04.get real, the Conservative Party has not won
:34:05. > :34:06.get real, the Conservative Party has 22 years. But the only way you will
:34:07. > :35:51.get a referendum, 22 years. But the only way you will
:35:52. > :35:56.going to say, vote UKIP, get Ed Miliband. What would you say to
:35:57. > :35:59.that? I would say we have probably maxed out the Tory vote we are going
:36:00. > :36:03.to get because David Cameron has been incredibly helpful in sending
:36:04. > :36:09.them in our direction. Our potential for growth now, would we are
:36:10. > :36:13.concentrating on, his those disenchanted former Labour voters
:36:14. > :36:19.and more and more of them are coming towards us on things like
:36:20. > :36:22.immigration and law and order. We want to renegotiate our relationship
:36:23. > :36:24.with Europe. We need to have people who are going to turn up to
:36:25. > :36:28.negotiate with people like Barroso. who are going to turn up to
:36:29. > :38:10.That meant a Prime Minister that is not Ed Miliband but
:38:11. > :38:12.have said that money is no object in clearing up floods, but is that
:38:13. > :38:18.true? Should we accept that we cannot protect everywhere that might
:38:19. > :38:22.be at risk of flooding? First let's meet the two politicians who are
:38:23. > :38:28.with me for the next 20 minutes. Chris Wood is with UKIP. Amy is the
:38:29. > :38:36.Conservative MP for Hampshire East. Smoking. There are laws against
:38:37. > :38:43.smoking in cars with children in Canada, Australia and parts of the
:38:44. > :38:48.USA. Why did you vote to not have that law here? I want parents to
:38:49. > :40:32.think about it and make a decision. If you pass
:40:33. > :40:35.progress and mature as a society, attitudes towards Public change. We
:40:36. > :40:43.are asking the police to do an awful lot, aren't we? I struggle with the
:40:44. > :40:48.police at the moment. Asking them to do something else with traffic, when
:40:49. > :40:54.they have been cut by 20%, is a struggle. It never rains but it
:40:55. > :40:57.pours. That could be the motto for this winter. Gales have battered the
:40:58. > :41:04.coast and brought disruption. businesses and homes have been
:41:05. > :41:06.engulfed by rising floodwaters and it has been another week of misery
:41:07. > :42:54.for families across the South. to upgrade in the future if we get
:42:55. > :42:58.more rain like this. Absolutely. If you take a town like Romsey, in
:42:59. > :43:05.Hampshire, the drains are antiquated. They are looking at
:43:06. > :43:09.major house`building. There are projects going on for new
:43:10. > :43:15.properties, and that's water has to drain somewhere. Building all those
:43:16. > :43:21.houses means there are no feels to soak up the water. Absolutely. There
:43:22. > :43:26.are two problems and one of those is that the flood plains are not there.
:43:27. > :45:10.Maybe the government will have to specify just drains that can take
:45:11. > :45:15.fight climate change, do you think? There is no doubt that loading
:45:16. > :45:20.resilience in the face of an increased pattern of extreme
:45:21. > :45:25.weather, yes, of course. You do not want to connect it to climate
:45:26. > :45:33.change? I did not say that at all. I have always been very clear that it
:45:34. > :45:41.is very probably the case, and I also think it is probable that this
:45:42. > :45:47.is to do with human activity. It is very likely that there is climate
:45:48. > :45:48.change happening. There are a few in your party would not
:45:49. > :47:33.they invest long`term and look at the way the system works, it is
:47:34. > :47:40.going to happen again and again and again. The decisions that will need
:47:41. > :47:46.to be made going to be more far reaching. We have to prepare for
:47:47. > :47:52.hotter summers as well stop we have had seven record summers as well.
:47:53. > :47:56.Absolutely. It does mean wetter periods and greater storms, that it
:47:57. > :48:02.may mean longer droughts in the summer as well there is more
:48:03. > :48:09.uncertainty. Surely, it means investing in a greener future and
:48:10. > :48:10.committing to that. I do not see that David Cameron has
:48:11. > :49:54.the future, is it not? Thank you for coming to talk to us. We have talked
:49:55. > :49:57.a lot about city deals in recent. The other government's schemes to
:49:58. > :50:05.boost economic activity in different parts of the country. Brighton is in
:50:06. > :50:09.the pipeline, Portsmouth and Southampton got their joint deal
:50:10. > :50:16.signed off last December. It has promised great things but how much
:50:17. > :50:17.will be delivered? Our reporter has been combing through the small
:50:18. > :52:11.print. Unveiled at the know that and we have the plans in
:52:12. > :52:18.place, will people sign up. In Southampton, we have this location,
:52:19. > :52:24.the flagship City Deal all projects. A small patch of land here but it
:52:25. > :52:28.promises 5000 new jobs and the creation of a new cinema, restaurant
:52:29. > :52:36.and shop. The government is pledging 7 million pounds. It is money that
:52:37. > :52:42.we bid for but it was rejected but we persuaded the government to
:52:43. > :52:46.relinquish that money. It is money that we would not have got but we
:52:47. > :52:49.are getting because we have a City Deal. Portsmouth are potentially
:52:50. > :54:36.to come good on their end of the bargain. It all sounds magnificent,
:54:37. > :54:42.doesn't it? Chris, you were selected as a candidate for UKIP for Gosport
:54:43. > :54:48.this week. You have been a local councillor since May. Do you believe
:54:49. > :54:56.all this? You have come to politics fairly fresh and the public are
:54:57. > :55:01.asking what happens on the ground. You finding it in Hampshire? All the
:55:02. > :55:06.schemes we have, especially the ones in the Solent enterprise zone, they
:55:07. > :56:50.sound very good, the investment is going
:56:51. > :57:01.private sector money to create jobs, homes, and leisure facilities.
:57:02. > :57:06.I suppose, unlike a big government grant, it is being watched more
:57:07. > :57:09.carefully. Exactly. The city takes on more responsibility for its own
:57:10. > :57:16.planning and own future, and gets more freedom. Why not? As Chris
:57:17. > :57:19.says, the people who know most about Portsmouth, for example, are the
:57:20. > :57:27.people in Portsmouth. Will the people of Portsmouth make sure the
:57:28. > :59:10.politicians do it? People have to engage in politics for
:59:11. > :59:17.mopping up the week in Oxford, and bearing promises of new cash for
:59:18. > :59:27.roads and more resilience. I resist a joke about Eric Pickles there!
:59:28. > :59:31.People see politicians and they go, what use are they in an emergency?
:59:32. > :59:39.It is a good point, and the politician is not the expert,
:59:40. > :59:45.usually, on floods. I think it is important that politicians hear what
:59:46. > :59:49.they are saying on the ground. Critically, with the Prime Minister
:59:50. > :59:51.and Defence Secretary, and Eric Pickles, I think it is important
:59:52. > :01:34.because they are going Pickles, I think it is important
:01:35. > :01:40.Act, so he has to stick to that line or his life 's work goes up in
:01:41. > :01:43.smoke. When he passed it, there was Westminster consensus. Now the
:01:44. > :01:48.Tories are beginning to appeal off. UKIP has definitely peeled off.
:01:49. > :01:53.Labour and Lib Dems are sticking to their guns, there is now a debate?
:01:54. > :01:56.It has moved from consensus to very fragile consensus. It's an
:01:57. > :01:59.interesting tactic for Ed Miliband to take. He could either approach
:02:00. > :02:03.the floods talking about government failures and handling, instead he
:02:04. > :02:05.has gone for the intellectual argument, try and turn this into a
:02:06. > :03:54.debate about ideology argument, try and turn this into a
:03:55. > :03:56.expert, saying, actually, the jet stream is not operating further
:03:57. > :04:01.south because of climate change Or if it is, it is beyond our
:04:02. > :04:07.knowledge. He flies in the face of what Ed Miliband as saying. He's
:04:08. > :04:11.saying the wet weather is caused by global warming, the head of science
:04:12. > :04:14.at Exeter University says the IPCC originally looked at whether climate
:04:15. > :04:19.change could affect what happens to the jet stream and, because it had
:04:20. > :04:25.no evidence it had any effect, it decided not to include it at all in
:04:26. > :04:27.the IPCC report. The problem we have got is that any individual
:04:28. > :04:28.phenomenon is difficult got is that any individual
:04:29. > :06:13.to climate change. But got is that any individual
:06:14. > :06:18.Nigel Farage, and it is really a vote for Ed Miliband. Patrick is a
:06:19. > :06:23.very good journalist, a very good commentator. He answered almost as a
:06:24. > :06:27.commentator rather than head of communications for a political
:06:28. > :06:34.party. The Government are still trying to rid itself of troublesome
:06:35. > :06:37.priests, an attack on welfare reforms from the Catholic Archbishop
:06:38. > :06:44.of Westminster. Let's have a look and see what he said. The basic
:06:45. > :06:45.safety net that was there to guarantee that people would not be
:06:46. > :08:31.safety net that was there to left in hunger or in destitution has
:08:32. > :08:33.safety net that was there to trying to paint them as lefties
:08:34. > :08:39.ideological driven. I think that is hard in this case, an assault made
:08:40. > :08:41.deliberately in the Telegraph from somebody who feels they come from a
:08:42. > :08:45.centre-right position. I think there will be a bit of awkwardness about
:08:46. > :08:49.this intervention. It is not the kind of thing they wanted to see. Is
:08:50. > :08:54.it politically damaging for the Government? It is if it makes them
:08:55. > :08:58.look mean-spirited. But that is the problem with welfare reforms. You
:08:59. > :09:03.can say all sorts of things about Iain Duncan Smith's competence. But
:09:04. > :09:06.the whole thing springs from a moral mission, as he sees it,
:09:07. > :10:50.the whole thing springs from a moral the poor and extend opportunity
:10:51. > :10:53.the whole thing springs from a moral four among 14 in the Shadow Cabinet.
:10:54. > :10:56.Also, the fact that women, younger women in particular, are much less
:10:57. > :11:03.likely to vote Tory than five or ten years ago. David Cameron, it drives
:11:04. > :11:09.and furious, he is obviously aware this is one of the biggest potential
:11:10. > :11:13.demographic problem is that they have. It also reminds us of how the
:11:14. > :11:16.public can actually see the wiring behind a lot of the stuff. Do they
:11:17. > :11:21.really think your blog so stupid that they will not notice that the
:11:22. > :11:25.following week the front bench is packed with women? I think it just
:11:26. > :13:10.increases contempt for the entire rocket. It is an
:13:11. > :13:16.increases contempt for the entire top, but the Labour Party is going
:13:17. > :13:20.to be increasingly donated by women. Do you think there will be a Labour
:13:21. > :13:25.Leader before Theresa May becomes leader of the Conservatives? I think
:13:26. > :13:29.it is ultimately about Osborne trying to stop Boris. I think I
:13:30. > :13:37.would be astonished if she managed it. The first female Labour Leader?
:13:38. > :13:41.I would pick Rachel Reeves the way it is currently going, she knows her
:13:42. > :13:46.stuff and does well on TV. That is all for this week. We have a week
:13:47. > :13:47.off now.