:01:30. > :01:40.Later in the programme we can reveal that fewer than 800 people
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:01:40. > :37:09.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2128 seconds
:37:09. > :37:14.found jobs through a back to work Hello. The latest on the Welsh
:37:14. > :37:18.Government scheme designed to get people back to work. And the red
:37:18. > :37:26.trouser wearing mayor of Bristol wants to extend a hand of
:37:26. > :37:31.friendship across the Severn estuary. Let's begin with some
:37:31. > :37:37.comments this morning from the chief-executive of the Welsh
:37:37. > :37:43.supermarket Iceland. He has been commenting on the horsemeat scandal.
:37:43. > :37:47.He has blamed local authorities for driving down the cost of food. He
:37:47. > :37:53.says supermarkets should not be blamed. There might be an element
:37:53. > :37:59.that he would say that but what do you think? I have not seen the
:37:59. > :38:06.comments until this morning but I think we do need a wider look at
:38:06. > :38:14.the whole system. It requires a whole scale looked, not just
:38:14. > :38:19.pointing the finger at one park. is not going away, is it? It is not.
:38:19. > :38:29.There was some complacency from ministers at first but it is now a
:38:29. > :38:30.
:38:30. > :38:33.much wider than that. Owen Paterson has had several summits with the
:38:33. > :38:38.retailers and farming representatives. I think he is
:38:38. > :38:43.trying to get some control on it but what troubles me more than
:38:43. > :38:47.anything is the fact that criminal activity has undermined the
:38:47. > :38:53.confidence in the industry. When we think about the changes that
:38:53. > :38:58.farmers have had to make for traceability since B S E. If this
:38:59. > :39:04.criminal activity or or local authorities are allowing criminal
:39:04. > :39:10.activity to take place it is all displacing the hard work done by
:39:10. > :39:17.farmers over many years. 800 people find jobs do aback to Work scheme
:39:17. > :39:23.that looks like being wind up one year early. A new scheme should
:39:23. > :39:32.help 20,000 people find work or get qualifications. Ollie have that
:39:32. > :39:40.many took part and formally 800 found work. It has been supported
:39:40. > :39:48.by public money. Our reporter has more. This woman started in
:39:48. > :39:55.business thanks to the organisation. She works as a child minder at her
:39:55. > :40:00.home. I always wanted to work from home and be a child minder. They
:40:00. > :40:09.gave me funding and have always been at the end of the phone if I
:40:10. > :40:16.needed any more training courses. It was launched to help people get
:40:16. > :40:25.into the working world. It was hoped 20,000 people, especially
:40:25. > :40:32.single parents would be as successful as this woman. Around
:40:32. > :40:41.3,000 got qualification a bought fewer than 800 found work. Each of
:40:41. > :40:47.those people cost on average �44,000. Income are they sure they
:40:47. > :40:55.say that the women we spoke to was not a one-off. What has gone wrong
:40:55. > :41:05.with the system? They are looking at winding up the scheme in the
:41:05. > :41:07.
:41:07. > :41:13.June. �23 million of EU funding is being clawed back. This is simply
:41:13. > :41:17.the tip of a very big iceberg. We know that a lot of arrangements
:41:17. > :41:22.have been made using funding from the European budget which have not
:41:22. > :41:27.achieved the sort of outcomes you would have wanted. The you wanted
:41:27. > :41:37.to improve the economy through schemes such as this one. Another
:41:37. > :41:39.
:41:39. > :41:47.round of funding starts next year. This man says Wales must get a bang
:41:47. > :41:53.for its bulk. We will learn from this experience. We are very
:41:53. > :41:59.anxious to make the most of whatever level of European funding
:41:59. > :42:04.we get. The deputies Gills minister expects the officials to report
:42:04. > :42:10.back on the scheme next month. He declined to be interviewed saying
:42:10. > :42:15.he did not want to prejudice the outcome. He will make an
:42:15. > :42:25.announcement on whether the Government will close the book on
:42:25. > :42:31.this scheme. 44,000 to keep one job, the Orly created 800 jobs when they
:42:31. > :42:39.hoped to create 20,000, at a time when people are looking for jobs?
:42:39. > :42:47.It is alarming. These inward investment projects were criticised
:42:47. > :42:52.but this really out scores them all. It has not delivered. If we think I
:42:52. > :42:59.there are a whole host of problems that the Labour Party have a run.
:43:00. > :43:04.They had a quango for training. Then New Deal, that was so
:43:05. > :43:09.expensive in comparison. Now this one. It is really alarming the way
:43:09. > :43:14.they throw public money at these projects when there are so many
:43:14. > :43:21.people who need help and support out there. Something like the work
:43:21. > :43:24.programme would be much more effective. The Welsh Government me
:43:25. > :43:29.say they are doing something about this. It is not working but do you
:43:29. > :43:35.think there is enough co-operation between the Government in Cardiff
:43:35. > :43:39.and in Westminster in terms of job creation? Clearly this is about
:43:39. > :43:49.disappointing results. There is no getting away from that. The project
:43:49. > :43:53.is being stopped before it got to its end. I do not think the work
:43:53. > :44:03.programme can be compared. There is another one brought in which is
:44:03. > :44:04.
:44:04. > :44:09.seven times more effective. Without question the Work Programme has had
:44:09. > :44:13.great success. But this one has not. We are hearing the phrase lessons
:44:13. > :44:21.will be learned but there is a whole host of failures in this
:44:21. > :44:26.field when money has been thrown at a projects. We could look at
:44:26. > :44:31.Communities First again. European money is being thrown at projects
:44:31. > :44:40.in many areas that have not worked out. In my area it has been
:44:40. > :44:47.successful but in other areas it has not. I would defend the Work
:44:47. > :44:50.Programme. When it ties in with the universal credit it will be
:44:50. > :44:56.transformational, getting people into work, getting them Experience,
:44:56. > :45:02.many do not have the discipline of going to work, all looking forward.
:45:02. > :45:07.You cannot get away from the fact that �40,000 per job could have
:45:08. > :45:15.been spent on helping families into work. This is one job-creation
:45:15. > :45:23.scheme which perhaps has not been very effective. The jobs fund, I
:45:23. > :45:27.think that is �95 million. It is already ahead of target. I have had
:45:27. > :45:33.very positive reports about how the scheme works and that people are
:45:33. > :45:39.now in jobs. Staff have been taken on that would not have been taken
:45:39. > :45:47.on without this programme. these jobs going to be sustainable?
:45:47. > :45:54.I hope so. One factor is that many of the participants have received
:45:54. > :45:57.training and qualifications. One in four have received that. A fraction
:45:57. > :46:04.of those who received qualifications have been able to
:46:04. > :46:12.gain employment. That is the important thing about this. Clearly
:46:12. > :46:17.this project at �40,000 per job has not contributed any way to success.
:46:17. > :46:23.This scheme has not been able to create jobs at a time when people
:46:23. > :46:33.want jobs? There have been failings and that is why it is coming to an
:46:33. > :46:34.
:46:34. > :46:39.end. You cannot see it is coming to an end so where does not matter.
:46:39. > :46:44.There are lower growth rates all- over come in Germany, everywhere.
:46:44. > :46:54.Now time for some more devolution talk, not Scottish or Welsh, but
:46:54. > :46:56.
:46:56. > :47:02.English. The first electric -- elected mayor of Bristol is showing
:47:02. > :47:09.quite a bit of interest in Wales so we thought we would return the
:47:09. > :47:17.gesture. Bristol is England's 8th largest city. It has a population
:47:17. > :47:23.of 80,000 more than Cardiff. Nearly 6 million passengers took to these
:47:23. > :47:29.guys from Bristol airport last year. In the first half of 2012, 18% of
:47:29. > :47:39.these passengers were travelling to or from Wales. It is more a than
:47:39. > :47:41.
:47:41. > :47:49.use the Cardiff airport. The city boasts Britain's biggest deep-sea
:47:49. > :47:56.port. Business rate discounts, simpler planning rules and super-
:47:56. > :48:01.fast broadband have been enticing firms in. Bristol market itself has
:48:01. > :48:09.more highly skilled workers than any comparable English city. This
:48:09. > :48:13.man became the first directly elected mayor last November.
:48:13. > :48:21.Despite the cross-border rivalry he told me he was keen to work with
:48:21. > :48:29.Wales. We are in effect a single region. Maybe that is a difficult
:48:29. > :48:35.argument to make from England to Wales. If you compare us with our
:48:35. > :48:40.region shared between Copenhagen and southern Sweden, there is a
:48:40. > :48:46.region that works really well together, connected by Abridge, I
:48:46. > :48:51.see a lot of similarities. That is an incredibly successful region in
:48:51. > :48:57.northern Europe. I would like us to share a lot of our common
:48:57. > :49:04.challenges and see whether we can prosper together. Have you had any
:49:04. > :49:12.discussions with the Welsh Government? I am certainly looking
:49:12. > :49:16.to do that. Within three months. I have been having lots of
:49:16. > :49:22.consultation and meetings with Government ministers in London but
:49:22. > :49:27.I am hoping to extend those conversations. There is some common
:49:27. > :49:35.ground, some differing views might come when we discuss the barrage,
:49:35. > :49:39.you are not a fan of that, are you? It is a regional issue. I think it
:49:39. > :49:48.is in the interests of the whole region that we have a really
:49:48. > :49:53.successful port in the Severn. A report is as successful port. It is
:49:53. > :50:02.close to Wales. I think if the trade at that port is damaged it
:50:02. > :50:07.damages us all. No barrage across the Severn as fun as you are
:50:07. > :50:12.concerned? No, I think there are much better ways of using the tidal
:50:12. > :50:17.power of the Severn estuary. There are much better ways in terms of
:50:17. > :50:23.the technology. We could develop technology within the Severn
:50:23. > :50:30.Estuary that we can export to the rest of the world. We cannot export
:50:30. > :50:36.are badges, they are a pretty basic technology. If we develop lagoons,
:50:36. > :50:46.other forms of tidal and wave and other ways of extracting be energy
:50:46. > :50:46.
:50:46. > :50:53.from the water and wind, then we have got a great potential export.
:50:53. > :50:58.The private owners at Bristol airport are not keen on the
:50:58. > :51:03.Government buying Cardiff airport. I am all for competition. I do not
:51:03. > :51:08.have a complaint about competition but we like to feel it is
:51:08. > :51:14.competition on an even playing field. The danger is that Wales
:51:14. > :51:19.gets special deals on taxation in which case it would not be on a
:51:19. > :51:29.level playing field. I think that is the fear of Bristol Airport.
:51:29. > :51:32.
:51:32. > :51:39.Nevertheless, we have got two was slightly unsatisfactory airports. I
:51:39. > :51:42.think it would be great if we combine forces. The problem is we
:51:42. > :51:48.have one in private ownership and one that is going to be in public
:51:49. > :51:57.ownership, that would make that more difficult. I am keen on
:51:57. > :52:03.finding more environmental ways of travelling. We should invest in
:52:03. > :52:08.real trouble. That is the obvious choice for domestic travel. Flying
:52:08. > :52:16.between cities in the UK would become a rather silly option. You
:52:16. > :52:25.are given more hassle of travel and the fact it does not take you into
:52:25. > :52:29.the heart of our cities. Rail is ideal, even as a link to Europe.
:52:29. > :52:33.Now let's talk about something that affects both your constituencies,
:52:33. > :52:39.the barrage, what do you think of the view of the Mayor that he does
:52:39. > :52:44.not think a barrage across the estuary is a way to go? I have
:52:44. > :52:48.stated my opinion publicly already. There are a lot of serious
:52:49. > :52:56.unanswered questions about the bad Ryeish, in terms of the Engineering
:52:56. > :53:00.and impact on ports. It would affect Cardiff port as well. I
:53:00. > :53:06.think those things have to be answered before we can move on any
:53:06. > :53:14.further in that debate. It would affect your constituency as well?
:53:14. > :53:19.It would. There would be a huge sub-station cited in Barry. That is
:53:19. > :53:27.a major issue that has to be overcome. We do not know if the
:53:27. > :53:32.money is available yet. We do not know anything about the timescale.
:53:32. > :53:38.Let us not dismiss it out of hand but I think there are some pretty
:53:38. > :53:42.big hurdles in the way of development. It is natural Bristol
:53:42. > :53:48.would oppose it because it would close it off to the three access it
:53:48. > :53:58.has at the moment. The mayor does raise some interesting discussions
:53:58. > :54:01.
:54:01. > :54:06.about partnership. PCs the area as one big region. -- he sees the area.
:54:06. > :54:13.Sometimes it becomes an obsession to do things differently in Wales
:54:13. > :54:19.simply because we could. There is a example of devolution in England. I
:54:19. > :54:26.would hope there could be a warm relationship between Wales and
:54:26. > :54:33.Bristol. Some people have more in common with him than they have with
:54:33. > :54:39.different parts of Wales. I had a debate on cancer care and the
:54:39. > :54:43.differences between Wales and England and one MP from the south-
:54:43. > :54:49.west called for more co-operation between South Wales and south-west
:54:49. > :54:57.for treatment. That can deliver better outcomes both for people in
:54:57. > :55:07.Wales and in England. He has appoint. Absolutely. I am very
:55:07. > :55:12.
:55:12. > :55:18.happy to be Bristol at football as we did yesterday! But we have got
:55:18. > :55:23.facilities end Cardiff and in Bristol, people commute between the
:55:23. > :55:31.two. We have the potential to build this region up for creative
:55:32. > :55:36.industries. Your welcome what he was saying? I certainly do. We have
:55:36. > :55:46.to discuss the possibilities. underlines the need for better
:55:46. > :55:47.
:55:47. > :55:52.communication links between Wales and the south-west. That damages
:55:53. > :56:02.west Wales, south-west Wales as well as East Wales. There has to be
:56:03. > :56:06.
:56:06. > :56:14.a better opportunity for her creating better transportation.
:56:14. > :56:24.is something I think we would all be in agreement about. The airport
:56:24. > :56:34.is one area where I think the competition will remain. Hopefully
:56:34. > :56:34.
:56:34. > :56:39.we can bring people from Bristol for a certain journeys. You might
:56:39. > :56:49.disagree on that part. Now we have time for a quick look back to some
:56:49. > :56:53.
:56:53. > :56:57.of the political stories of the week. A conservative rural affairs
:56:57. > :57:06.spokesperson wants councils to test all meat entering the public sector
:57:06. > :57:10.food chain. It follows the horsemeat scandal. The Welsh
:57:10. > :57:15.Secretary David Jones has been criticised for suggesting same-sex
:57:15. > :57:21.partners cannot provide a safe environment for bringing up
:57:21. > :57:28.children. He says his comments had been taken out of context and he
:57:28. > :57:36.was fully supportive of same-sex relationships. The possibility of a
:57:36. > :57:45.so-called super prison. It emerged the most borrowed book from be a
:57:45. > :57:55.House of Commons library is how to be an MP. Mr Flynn's guide was
:57:55. > :58:03.
:58:03. > :58:09.This man tells me he has actually bought the book! Now the Welsh
:58:09. > :58:16.Secretary has clarified his position from the comment seat made
:58:16. > :58:21.on gay marriage. Labour wanted a public apology from him. He has not
:58:21. > :58:28.had a great week really. He was accused of driving 100 yards across
:58:28. > :58:33.the road to Downing Street. He has made inappropriate comments about
:58:33. > :58:36.safety of children in same-sex partnerships. I hang glad he has
:58:36. > :58:41.made a clarification but there should have been serious questions
:58:41. > :58:51.over him making such comments in the first place. I respect those
:58:51. > :58:57.
:58:57. > :59:02.who oppose the same-sex marriage built but they should not be --
:59:02. > :59:10.politician should not be telling people that it is not safe and
:59:10. > :59:15.secure. We have got to be careful. These are very serious issues. When
:59:15. > :59:22.comments are taken out of context, this was recorded on Tuesday, it
:59:22. > :59:29.was not reported until Thursday. If it was such a valid story it would
:59:29. > :59:32.have hit the media immediately at the time. There has been a specific
:59:32. > :59:38.angle taken on this by the Labour Party because they want to cause
:59:38. > :59:42.damage. That is part of their role. Independent journalists would have
:59:43. > :59:48.picked up on this if it was the sort of story They are trying to
:59:49. > :59:52.portray it at. We need to take it in context of what he intended to