:01:23. > :01:24.Later in the programme - Later in the programme -
:01:24. > :01:25.Later in the programme - The chair of Sport Wales holds
:01:25. > :01:26.The chair of Sport Wales holds The chair of Sport Wales holds
:01:26. > :01:27.court on what lessons the Welsh court on what lessons the Welsh
:01:27. > :01:28.court on what lessons the Welsh Government can learn to get more
:01:28. > :01:38.Government can learn to get more Government can learn to get more
:01:38. > :01:38.
:01:38. > :38:11.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2192 seconds
:38:11. > :38:12.women recruited onto the boards of Hello. On the Sunday Politics Wales
:38:12. > :38:13.Hello. On the Sunday Politics Wales Hello. On the Sunday Politics Wales
:38:13. > :38:14.- How will the Welsh Government - How will the Welsh Government
:38:14. > :38:15.- How will the Welsh Government make sure that more women are
:38:15. > :38:17.make sure that more women are make sure that more women are
:38:17. > :38:18.recruited onto the boards of public recruited onto the boards of public
:38:18. > :38:19.recruited onto the boards of public bodies? The chair of Sport Wales
:38:19. > :38:20.bodies? The chair of Sport Wales bodies? The chair of Sport Wales
:38:20. > :38:21.tells us about the lessons her tells us about the lessons her
:38:21. > :38:22.organisation has learned while organisation has learned while
:38:22. > :38:23.organisation has learned while organisation has learned while
:38:23. > :38:24.giving me a lesson on the squash court.
:38:24. > :38:25.court. court.
:38:25. > :38:26.The first spring conference of the The first spring conference of the
:38:26. > :38:28.The first spring conference of the season is over. Plaid Cymru have
:38:28. > :38:30.season is over. Plaid Cymru have season is over. Plaid Cymru have
:38:30. > :38:31.been in Beaumaris over the weekend. been in Beaumaris over the weekend.
:38:31. > :38:33.been in Beaumaris over the weekend. We'll hear from their leader,
:38:33. > :38:34.Leanne Wood. Leanne Wood.
:38:34. > :38:35.Joining me throughout today's Joining me throughout today's
:38:35. > :38:36.Joining me throughout today's programme are the Labour peer,
:38:36. > :38:36.programme are the Labour peer, programme are the Labour peer,
:38:36. > :38:37.Baroness Gale, and the Conservative Baroness Gale, and the Conservative
:38:37. > :38:38.Baroness Gale, and the Conservative Assembly Member, Byron Davies. Good
:38:38. > :38:39.Assembly Member, Byron Davies. Good Assembly Member, Byron Davies. Good
:38:39. > :38:42.Assembly Member, Byron Davies. Good morning to you both. Thank you for
:38:42. > :38:44.morning to you both. Thank you for morning to you both. Thank you for
:38:44. > :38:44.coming in. Byron Davies, let's coming in. Byron Davies, let's
:38:44. > :38:46.coming in. Byron Davies, let's begin with comments from your party
:38:46. > :38:47.begin with comments from your party begin with comments from your party
:38:47. > :38:51.leader, David Cameron, on the front leader, David Cameron, on the front
:38:51. > :38:54.leader, David Cameron, on the front of the Sunday Telegraph telling the
:38:54. > :38:57.of the Sunday Telegraph telling the Conservative fightback starts now
:38:57. > :38:58.Conservative fightback starts now Conservative fightback starts now
:38:58. > :38:59.post Eastleigh by-election. I think post Eastleigh by-election. I think
:38:59. > :39:01.post Eastleigh by-election. I think David Cameron are showing a strong
:39:01. > :39:03.David Cameron are showing a strong David Cameron are showing a strong
:39:03. > :39:05.leadership. We are mid-term and leadership. We are mid-term and
:39:05. > :39:05.leadership. We are mid-term and leadership. We are mid-term and
:39:05. > :39:07.that is expected. It is about a that is expected. It is about a
:39:07. > :39:08.that is expected. It is about a that is expected. It is about a
:39:08. > :39:09.fight back and coming back. He is a fight back and coming back. He is a
:39:09. > :39:10.fight back and coming back. He is a strong leader and we will be
:39:10. > :39:13.strong leader and we will be strong leader and we will be
:39:13. > :39:14.successful at the next election. successful at the next election.
:39:15. > :39:15.successful at the next election. Baroness Gale, there is pressure on
:39:15. > :39:16.Baroness Gale, there is pressure on Baroness Gale, there is pressure on
:39:16. > :39:17.the Prime Minister to take the the Prime Minister to take the
:39:17. > :39:19.the Prime Minister to take the Conservative Party more to the
:39:19. > :39:27.Conservative Party more to the Conservative Party more to the
:39:27. > :39:32.Conservative Party more to the right to see off UK. Are they the
:39:32. > :39:33.right to see off UK. Are they the right to see off UK. Are they the
:39:33. > :39:34.biggest threat? They came second to biggest threat? They came second to
:39:35. > :39:36.biggest threat? They came second to nurse him Eastleigh, at their best
:39:36. > :39:38.nurse him Eastleigh, at their best nurse him Eastleigh, at their best
:39:38. > :39:39.result ever in any election. I result ever in any election. I
:39:39. > :39:40.result ever in any election. I think the Prime Minister has got
:39:40. > :39:41.think the Prime Minister has got think the Prime Minister has got
:39:41. > :39:44.problems with his right wing. He problems with his right wing. He
:39:44. > :39:46.problems with his right wing. He tried to appease them by having
:39:46. > :39:47.tried to appease them by having tried to appease them by having
:39:47. > :39:48.offering the referendum to get out offering the referendum to get out
:39:48. > :39:49.offering the referendum to get out offering the referendum to get out
:39:49. > :39:51.of the EU and that simply has not of the EU and that simply has not
:39:51. > :39:52.of the EU and that simply has not worked. He will have difficulty in
:39:52. > :39:54.worked. He will have difficulty in worked. He will have difficulty in
:39:54. > :39:55.trying to win his right wing-back. trying to win his right wing-back.
:39:55. > :39:58.trying to win his right wing-back. Hopefully he won't go further to
:39:58. > :39:59.Hopefully he won't go further to Hopefully he won't go further to
:39:59. > :40:01.Hopefully he won't go further to the right. If he does have to try
:40:01. > :40:02.the right. If he does have to try the right. If he does have to try
:40:02. > :40:04.to appease the back benches, are to appease the back benches, are
:40:04. > :40:04.to appease the back benches, are to appease the back benches, are
:40:04. > :40:05.you concerned they might be a lurch you concerned they might be a lurch
:40:05. > :40:10.you concerned they might be a lurch you concerned they might be a lurch
:40:10. > :40:13.to the right? I don't think so. No, to the right? I don't think so. No,
:40:13. > :40:14.to the right? I don't think so. No, to the right? I don't think so. No,
:40:14. > :40:15.I don't think so. Thank you for the time being.
:40:15. > :40:16.time being. time being.
:40:16. > :40:17.The Equalities Minister has called The Equalities Minister has called
:40:17. > :40:18.The Equalities Minister has called on her Cabinet colleagues to
:40:18. > :40:19.on her Cabinet colleagues to support recommendations to take
:40:19. > :40:20.support recommendations to take support recommendations to take
:40:20. > :40:21.what she calls proactive steps to what she calls proactive steps to
:40:21. > :40:22.what she calls proactive steps to get more women and other under-
:40:22. > :40:23.get more women and other under- get more women and other under-
:40:23. > :40:24.represented groups onto the boards represented groups onto the boards
:40:24. > :40:25.represented groups onto the boards of public bodies. In a paper
:40:25. > :40:26.of public bodies. In a paper of public bodies. In a paper
:40:26. > :40:27.presented to the Cabinet, Jane Hutt presented to the Cabinet, Jane Hutt
:40:27. > :40:28.presented to the Cabinet, Jane Hutt presented to the Cabinet, Jane Hutt
:40:28. > :40:28.says more must be done to meet the says more must be done to meet the
:40:28. > :40:29.says more must be done to meet the government's own target for least
:40:29. > :40:31.government's own target for least government's own target for least
:40:31. > :40:32.40% of appointments to be women. 40% of appointments to be women.
:40:32. > :40:34.40% of appointments to be women. 40% of appointments to be women.
:40:34. > :40:35.Last year the figure fell to 35%. Last year the figure fell to 35%.
:40:35. > :40:36.Last year the figure fell to 35%. But one organisation bucking the
:40:36. > :40:37.But one organisation bucking the But one organisation bucking the
:40:37. > :40:43.trend is Sport Wales, the national trend is Sport Wales, the national
:40:43. > :40:45.organisation for promoting sport. organisation for promoting sport.
:40:45. > :40:46.organisation for promoting sport. organisation for promoting sport.
:40:46. > :40:48.I have been speaking to the Chair I have been speaking to the Chair
:40:48. > :40:49.I have been speaking to the Chair of Sport Wales at their Cardiff
:40:49. > :40:50.of Sport Wales at their Cardiff of Sport Wales at their Cardiff
:40:50. > :40:52.headquarters. After a quick game of headquarters. After a quick game of
:40:52. > :40:54.headquarters. After a quick game of squash I asked Laura McAllister why
:40:54. > :40:55.squash I asked Laura McAllister why squash I asked Laura McAllister why
:40:55. > :40:57.fewer women have been appointed to fewer women have been appointed to
:40:57. > :40:59.fewer women have been appointed to senior public roles. I have seen
:40:59. > :41:01.senior public roles. I have seen senior public roles. I have seen
:41:01. > :41:03.how heavily loaded the appointments how heavily loaded the appointments
:41:03. > :41:05.process is towards male process is towards male
:41:05. > :41:06.process is towards male characteristics and to what may
:41:06. > :41:07.characteristics and to what may have experiences in leadership
:41:07. > :41:09.have experiences in leadership have experiences in leadership
:41:09. > :41:10.have experiences in leadership roles. I think that is part of it.
:41:10. > :41:11.roles. I think that is part of it. roles. I think that is part of it.
:41:11. > :41:13.roles. I think that is part of it. He probably reflects a lot of other
:41:13. > :41:15.He probably reflects a lot of other He probably reflects a lot of other
:41:15. > :41:16.sectors, business, our own of sport, sectors, business, our own of sport,
:41:16. > :41:18.sectors, business, our own of sport, sectors, business, our own of sport,
:41:18. > :41:19.culture and so one which are still culture and so one which are still
:41:19. > :41:20.culture and so one which are still male-dominated. We have to put it
:41:20. > :41:22.male-dominated. We have to put it male-dominated. We have to put it
:41:22. > :41:24.in context and the political arena in context and the political arena
:41:24. > :41:25.in context and the political arena in context and the political arena
:41:25. > :41:27.in context and the political arena in other reason we have a very on a
:41:27. > :41:27.in other reason we have a very on a in other reason we have a very on a
:41:27. > :41:30.relatively healthy balance of women relatively healthy balance of women
:41:30. > :41:32.relatively healthy balance of women Assembly Members is because of the
:41:32. > :41:32.Assembly Members is because of the Assembly Members is because of the
:41:32. > :41:33.positive action two the parties to positive action two the parties to
:41:33. > :41:36.positive action two the parties to look at the beginning of the
:41:36. > :41:36.look at the beginning of the look at the beginning of the
:41:36. > :41:38.look at the beginning of the devolution. That is why we have a
:41:38. > :41:40.devolution. That is why we have a better gender balance.
:41:40. > :41:41.better gender balance. better gender balance.
:41:41. > :41:42.organisation here is being held up organisation here is being held up
:41:42. > :41:44.organisation here is being held up organisation here is being held up
:41:44. > :41:45.as an example of how to get women as an example of how to get women
:41:45. > :41:47.as an example of how to get women into a more senior roles, into
:41:47. > :41:48.into a more senior roles, into into a more senior roles, into
:41:48. > :41:49.into a more senior roles, into roles on the board. How have you
:41:49. > :41:51.roles on the board. How have you roles on the board. How have you
:41:51. > :41:52.roles on the board. How have you done that? I am delighted we have
:41:52. > :41:53.done that? I am delighted we have done that? I am delighted we have
:41:53. > :41:56.done that? I am delighted we have got where we have got to, but are
:41:56. > :41:56.got where we have got to, but are got where we have got to, but are
:41:56. > :41:58.got where we have got to, but are not setting up ourselves as to have
:41:58. > :41:59.not setting up ourselves as to have not setting up ourselves as to have
:41:59. > :42:01.not setting up ourselves as to have cracked it. It isn't just a case of
:42:01. > :42:02.cracked it. It isn't just a case of political correctness or wanting
:42:02. > :42:03.political correctness or wanting political correctness or wanting
:42:03. > :42:04.political correctness or wanting diversity for the sake of it, just
:42:04. > :42:05.diversity for the sake of it, just diversity for the sake of it, just
:42:05. > :42:06.diversity for the sake of it, just to have a female or a black face
:42:06. > :42:07.to have a female or a black face to have a female or a black face
:42:07. > :42:09.to have a female or a black face and on the table. It was to ensure
:42:09. > :42:10.and on the table. It was to ensure and on the table. It was to ensure
:42:10. > :42:13.we had diverse opinions and we had diverse opinions and
:42:13. > :42:14.we had diverse opinions and challenge in our thinking. We
:42:14. > :42:16.challenge in our thinking. We challenge in our thinking. We
:42:16. > :42:17.looked at a whole public looked at a whole public
:42:17. > :42:18.appointments process. Recommitted appointments process. Recommitted
:42:18. > :42:19.appointments process. Recommitted ourselves to being something of a
:42:19. > :42:21.ourselves to being something of a ourselves to being something of a
:42:21. > :42:23.guinea pig for the Welsh Government guinea pig for the Welsh Government
:42:23. > :42:26.guinea pig for the Welsh Government and pushing the boundaries of the
:42:26. > :42:28.and pushing the boundaries of the Public appointments process. We
:42:28. > :42:29.Public appointments process. We Public appointments process. We
:42:29. > :42:32.Public appointments process. We made sure we tweak in the working
:42:32. > :42:33.made sure we tweak in the working made sure we tweak in the working
:42:33. > :42:34.in the appointments process. They in the appointments process. They
:42:34. > :42:35.in the appointments process. They talked about experience of working
:42:35. > :42:35.talked about experience of working talked about experience of working
:42:35. > :42:37.talked about experience of working in the dish of roles because all
:42:37. > :42:38.in the dish of roles because all in the dish of roles because all
:42:38. > :42:40.the evidence suggested women who the evidence suggested women who
:42:40. > :42:41.the evidence suggested women who have worked in a charitable sector
:42:41. > :42:43.have worked in a charitable sector have worked in a charitable sector
:42:43. > :42:46.or the education sector classified or the education sector classified
:42:46. > :42:48.themselves differently. That is themselves differently. That is
:42:48. > :42:49.easily translatable. It just easily translatable. It just
:42:49. > :42:51.easily translatable. It just requires the will to interpret the
:42:51. > :42:51.requires the will to interpret the requires the will to interpret the
:42:51. > :42:57.wording of adverts and waiting and wording of adverts and waiting and
:42:57. > :42:59.job profiles differently. We job profiles differently. We
:42:59. > :43:01.job profiles differently. We advertised it beyond the usual
:43:01. > :43:03.advertised it beyond the usual advertised it beyond the usual
:43:03. > :43:04.talent -- channels. We talk so talent -- channels. We talk so
:43:04. > :43:05.talent -- channels. We talk so women we thought would make
:43:05. > :43:07.women we thought would make potentially good board members
:43:07. > :43:08.potentially good board members potentially good board members
:43:08. > :43:09.without any commitments for them to without any commitments for them to
:43:09. > :43:10.without any commitments for them to get an interview on appointment, we
:43:10. > :43:10.get an interview on appointment, we get an interview on appointment, we
:43:10. > :43:14.get an interview on appointment, we said why don't you put in the
:43:14. > :43:15.said why don't you put in the said why don't you put in the
:43:15. > :43:16.application? That Act to be helped. application? That Act to be helped.
:43:16. > :43:17.application? That Act to be helped. application? That Act to be helped.
:43:17. > :43:18.In a process we were able to In a process we were able to
:43:18. > :43:20.In a process we were able to recruit two. We had five vacancies
:43:20. > :43:21.recruit two. We had five vacancies recruit two. We had five vacancies
:43:21. > :43:22.recruit two. We had five vacancies and we recruited four women and one
:43:22. > :43:23.and we recruited four women and one and we recruited four women and one
:43:23. > :43:24.and we recruited four women and one man which shows it is not a supply
:43:24. > :43:25.man which shows it is not a supply man which shows it is not a supply
:43:26. > :43:26.and demand issue. For the last and demand issue. For the last
:43:26. > :43:28.and demand issue. For the last government was to come to grips
:43:28. > :43:29.government was to come to grips government was to come to grips
:43:29. > :43:30.government was to come to grips with this. They had in a programme
:43:30. > :43:32.with this. They had in a programme with this. They had in a programme
:43:33. > :43:34.of government a target of a of government a target of a
:43:34. > :43:36.of government a target of a Norwegian style quotas, 40%. Due
:43:36. > :43:38.Norwegian style quotas, 40%. Due Norwegian style quotas, 40%. Due
:43:38. > :43:42.welcome mat? Is it achievable? welcome mat? Is it achievable?
:43:42. > :43:44.welcome the commitment. The welcome the commitment. The
:43:44. > :43:45.welcome the commitment. The Equalities Minister has made a
:43:45. > :43:46.Equalities Minister has made a Equalities Minister has made a
:43:46. > :43:47.fantastic effort to change the fantastic effort to change the
:43:47. > :43:48.fantastic effort to change the fantastic effort to change the
:43:48. > :43:49.profile of public life in Wales. We profile of public life in Wales. We
:43:49. > :43:51.profile of public life in Wales. We profile of public life in Wales. We
:43:51. > :43:52.have got a long way to go. The have got a long way to go. The
:43:52. > :43:53.have got a long way to go. The have got a long way to go. The
:43:53. > :43:56.issue of quotas is a reported one issue of quotas is a reported one
:43:56. > :43:57.issue of quotas is a reported one issue of quotas is a reported one
:43:57. > :43:59.to keep on the agenda. Nobody feels to keep on the agenda. Nobody feels
:43:59. > :44:01.passionately about quarters because passionately about quarters because
:44:01. > :44:02.passionately about quarters because passionately about quarters because
:44:02. > :44:06.they as seen to be assigned of a they as seen to be assigned of a
:44:06. > :44:07.they as seen to be assigned of a failure of the natural process. If
:44:07. > :44:09.failure of the natural process. If failure of the natural process. If
:44:09. > :44:10.we are serious as proper gender we are serious as proper gender
:44:10. > :44:11.we are serious as proper gender equality, without the leadership we
:44:11. > :44:12.equality, without the leadership we equality, without the leadership we
:44:12. > :44:14.equality, without the leadership we have shown here in getting women on
:44:14. > :44:15.have shown here in getting women on have shown here in getting women on
:44:15. > :44:16.the board, that will not be the board, that will not be
:44:16. > :44:17.paralleled across the board, paralleled across the board,
:44:17. > :44:21.paralleled across the board, quarters are something that will
:44:21. > :44:22.quarters are something that will quarters are something that will
:44:22. > :44:23.have to be considered. You have have to be considered. You have
:44:24. > :44:24.have to be considered. You have have to be considered. You have
:44:24. > :44:25.done as much as anyone to promote done as much as anyone to promote
:44:25. > :44:27.done as much as anyone to promote done as much as anyone to promote
:44:27. > :44:28.the role of women in public life. the role of women in public life.
:44:28. > :44:29.the role of women in public life. What you make of what Laura
:44:29. > :44:30.What you make of what Laura What you make of what Laura
:44:30. > :44:33.McAllister had to say about the McAllister had to say about the
:44:33. > :44:34.need for quotas? need for quotas?
:44:34. > :44:36.need for quotas? I think she is absolutely correct.
:44:36. > :44:38.I think she is absolutely correct. I think she is absolutely correct.
:44:38. > :44:39.I think she is absolutely correct. I have come to the view that quotas
:44:39. > :44:40.I have come to the view that quotas I have come to the view that quotas
:44:40. > :44:44.I have come to the view that quotas is probably the only way now. We
:44:44. > :44:45.is probably the only way now. We is probably the only way now. We
:44:45. > :44:47.have tried everything. The Labour have tried everything. The Labour
:44:47. > :44:48.have tried everything. The Labour have tried everything. The Labour
:44:48. > :44:51.Party has got a very good records Party has got a very good records
:44:51. > :44:52.Party has got a very good records Party has got a very good records
:44:52. > :44:55.in trying to get an equal number of in trying to get an equal number of
:44:55. > :44:57.in trying to get an equal number of men and women. It isn't without
:44:57. > :45:00.men and women. It isn't without men and women. It isn't without
:45:00. > :45:04.controversy. It is hard going. Not controversy. It is hard going. Not
:45:04. > :45:05.controversy. It is hard going. Not all parties have gone that far.
:45:05. > :45:06.all parties have gone that far. all parties have gone that far.
:45:06. > :45:07.Everything has been tried in Everything has been tried in
:45:07. > :45:08.Everything has been tried in political and public life, women
:45:08. > :45:11.political and public life, women political and public life, women
:45:11. > :45:12.are still in the minority. Quotas are still in the minority. Quotas
:45:12. > :45:13.are still in the minority. Quotas are used in many European countries,
:45:13. > :45:18.are used in many European countries, are used in many European countries,
:45:18. > :45:19.are used in many European countries, Denmark is a good example. It works.
:45:19. > :45:20.Denmark is a good example. It works. Denmark is a good example. It works.
:45:20. > :45:21.Denmark is a good example. It works. Denmark is a good example. It works.
:45:21. > :45:22.I am all in favour of quotas come I I am all in favour of quotas come I
:45:22. > :45:24.I am all in favour of quotas come I I am all in favour of quotas come I
:45:24. > :45:25.never used to be. I have tried never used to be. I have tried
:45:25. > :45:25.never used to be. I have tried everything. We have gone through a
:45:26. > :45:28.everything. We have gone through a everything. We have gone through a
:45:28. > :45:29.range of things and nothing seems range of things and nothing seems
:45:29. > :45:32.range of things and nothing seems to work. But quotas would work.
:45:32. > :45:32.to work. But quotas would work. to work. But quotas would work.
:45:32. > :45:34.Byron Davies, White you think Byron Davies, White you think
:45:34. > :45:36.Byron Davies, White you think Byron Davies, White you think
:45:36. > :45:37.nothing else has worked? Win in a nothing else has worked? Win in a
:45:37. > :45:42.nothing else has worked? Win in a situation where the government has
:45:42. > :45:44.situation where the government has situation where the government has
:45:44. > :45:45.situation where the government has to set his 40%? Quotas does worry
:45:46. > :45:47.to set his 40%? Quotas does worry to set his 40%? Quotas does worry
:45:47. > :45:48.me slightly. There are very good me slightly. There are very good
:45:48. > :45:49.me slightly. There are very good me slightly. There are very good
:45:49. > :45:50.women out there for some in a women out there for some in a
:45:50. > :45:51.women out there for some in a previous career in the police
:45:51. > :45:54.previous career in the police previous career in the police
:45:54. > :45:56.service we fought hard to bring service we fought hard to bring
:45:56. > :45:56.service we fought hard to bring service we fought hard to bring
:45:56. > :45:59.women on. We have fought hard in women on. We have fought hard in
:45:59. > :46:00.women on. We have fought hard in the Conservative Party. Your party
:46:00. > :46:01.the Conservative Party. Your party the Conservative Party. Your party
:46:01. > :46:02.the Conservative Party. Your party is the only party to have a female
:46:02. > :46:03.is the only party to have a female is the only party to have a female
:46:03. > :46:07.prime minister. I wasn't going to prime minister. I wasn't going to
:46:07. > :46:07.prime minister. I wasn't going to prime minister. I wasn't going to
:46:07. > :46:09.mention that but you are right. If mention that but you are right. If
:46:09. > :46:11.mention that but you are right. If mention that but you are right. If
:46:11. > :46:12.it is the best person for the job, it is the best person for the job,
:46:12. > :46:17.it is the best person for the job, it is the best person for the job,
:46:17. > :46:18.then right. Women are capable of it. then right. Women are capable of it.
:46:18. > :46:19.then right. Women are capable of it. Baroness Gale, what Sport Wales has
:46:19. > :46:22.Baroness Gale, what Sport Wales has Baroness Gale, what Sport Wales has
:46:22. > :46:24.then his not do anything radical then his not do anything radical
:46:24. > :46:25.then his not do anything radical but changed the wording of
:46:25. > :46:27.but changed the wording of but changed the wording of
:46:27. > :46:29.advertisements, mention it to a few advertisements, mention it to a few
:46:29. > :46:30.advertisements, mention it to a few people who might be interested.
:46:30. > :46:31.people who might be interested. people who might be interested.
:46:31. > :46:32.That doesn't sound like ground- That doesn't sound like ground-
:46:32. > :46:35.That doesn't sound like ground- breaking stuff. It doesn't but
:46:35. > :46:36.breaking stuff. It doesn't but breaking stuff. It doesn't but
:46:36. > :46:38.breaking stuff. It doesn't but hasn't it worked. Having a woman as
:46:38. > :46:39.hasn't it worked. Having a woman as hasn't it worked. Having a woman as
:46:39. > :46:40.hasn't it worked. Having a woman as a head of Sport Wales has shown she
:46:40. > :46:43.a head of Sport Wales has shown she a head of Sport Wales has shown she
:46:43. > :46:44.is thinking in that direction. She is thinking in that direction. She
:46:44. > :46:45.is thinking in that direction. She is thinking in that direction. She
:46:45. > :46:49.is thinking how we can get more is thinking how we can get more
:46:49. > :46:52.is thinking how we can get more women to apply. It is encouraging
:46:52. > :46:53.women to apply. It is encouraging women to apply. It is encouraging
:46:53. > :46:55.women to come forward. They have women to come forward. They have
:46:55. > :46:56.women to come forward. They have women to come forward. They have
:46:56. > :46:56.been appointed. I think that is a been appointed. I think that is a
:46:56. > :46:57.been appointed. I think that is a been appointed. I think that is a
:46:57. > :46:58.lot in what she is saying. But we lot in what she is saying. But we
:46:58. > :46:59.lot in what she is saying. But we lot in what she is saying. But we
:46:59. > :47:06.can do that in all walks of life. can do that in all walks of life.
:47:06. > :47:07.can do that in all walks of life. can do that in all walks of life.
:47:07. > :47:09.That is the problem. What the Welsh That is the problem. What the Welsh
:47:09. > :47:09.That is the problem. What the Welsh Government wants to see happening,
:47:10. > :47:11.Government wants to see happening, Government wants to see happening,
:47:11. > :47:13.how can that be translated into how can that be translated into
:47:13. > :47:14.how can that be translated into politics? Your party hasn't had the
:47:14. > :47:17.politics? Your party hasn't had the grace records of women
:47:17. > :47:18.grace records of women grace records of women
:47:18. > :47:19.representation in the Assembly. How representation in the Assembly. How
:47:19. > :47:23.representation in the Assembly. How do you make sure that improvement
:47:23. > :47:27.do you make sure that improvement do you make sure that improvement
:47:27. > :47:28.continues? We have tried. In the continues? We have tried. In the
:47:28. > :47:30.last election, the Assembly last election, the Assembly
:47:30. > :47:31.last election, the Assembly last election, the Assembly
:47:32. > :47:33.election, we had a policy of women election, we had a policy of women
:47:33. > :47:34.election, we had a policy of women election, we had a policy of women
:47:34. > :47:35.election, we had a policy of women first. We have got to keep on at it
:47:36. > :47:37.first. We have got to keep on at it first. We have got to keep on at it
:47:37. > :47:38.and encourage women to apply. We and encourage women to apply. We
:47:38. > :47:39.and encourage women to apply. We and encourage women to apply. We
:47:39. > :47:40.need to show them they can actually need to show them they can actually
:47:40. > :47:40.need to show them they can actually need to show them they can actually
:47:40. > :47:42.come forward and there is room for come forward and there is room for
:47:42. > :47:43.come forward and there is room for them and we can accommodate them.
:47:43. > :47:46.them and we can accommodate them. them and we can accommodate them.
:47:46. > :47:47.We believe that there for now. We believe that there for now.
:47:47. > :47:48.We believe that there for now. It is spring conference season in
:47:49. > :47:49.It is spring conference season in It is spring conference season in
:47:49. > :47:50.Wales. Plaid Cymru held their Wales. Plaid Cymru held their
:47:50. > :47:51.Wales. Plaid Cymru held their gathering in Beaumaris. It finished
:47:51. > :47:52.gathering in Beaumaris. It finished gathering in Beaumaris. It finished
:47:52. > :47:53.yesterday and our political editor yesterday and our political editor
:47:53. > :47:54.yesterday and our political editor Betsan Powys caught up with the
:47:54. > :47:55.Betsan Powys caught up with the Betsan Powys caught up with the
:47:55. > :47:57.party's leader, Leanne Wood, at the party's leader, Leanne Wood, at the
:47:57. > :47:59.close of play. close of play.
:47:59. > :47:59.close of play. close of play.
:47:59. > :48:01.Trainee me now is the leader of Trainee me now is the leader of
:48:01. > :48:05.Trainee me now is the leader of Trainee me now is the leader of
:48:05. > :48:07.Plaid Cymru it. -- joining me now. Plaid Cymru it. -- joining me now.
:48:07. > :48:08.Plaid Cymru it. -- joining me now. Plaid Cymru it. -- joining me now.
:48:08. > :48:12.Her we head where you think the Her we head where you think the
:48:12. > :48:13.Her we head where you think the other parties that going wrong. But
:48:13. > :48:14.other parties that going wrong. But other parties that going wrong. But
:48:14. > :48:15.other parties that going wrong. But not a great deal of detail about
:48:15. > :48:18.not a great deal of detail about not a great deal of detail about
:48:18. > :48:19.what you would do differently. what you would do differently.
:48:19. > :48:20.what you would do differently. are still two-and-a-half years from
:48:20. > :48:21.are still two-and-a-half years from are still two-and-a-half years from
:48:21. > :48:22.are still two-and-a-half years from 2016 which is going to be at our
:48:22. > :48:23.2016 which is going to be at our 2016 which is going to be at our
:48:23. > :48:24.big election year. We are doing big election year. We are doing
:48:24. > :48:25.big election year. We are doing everything we can do but the
:48:25. > :48:26.everything we can do but the everything we can do but the
:48:26. > :48:27.programme of government a man will programme of government a man will
:48:27. > :48:30.programme of government a man will programme of government a man will
:48:30. > :48:32.be ready in time for that election. be ready in time for that election.
:48:32. > :48:33.be ready in time for that election. Adam Price is working on end
:48:33. > :48:35.Adam Price is working on end Adam Price is working on end
:48:35. > :48:36.economy commission which will put economy commission which will put
:48:36. > :48:37.economy commission which will put out much detail closer to that
:48:37. > :48:39.out much detail closer to that out much detail closer to that
:48:39. > :48:40.deadline for star up you accept deadline for star up you accept
:48:40. > :48:41.deadline for star up you accept that intimate detail is there, and
:48:41. > :48:42.that intimate detail is there, and that intimate detail is there, and
:48:42. > :48:43.that intimate detail is there, and so people know what you're going to
:48:43. > :48:44.so people know what you're going to so people know what you're going to
:48:44. > :48:45.so people know what you're going to do and how you're going to pay for
:48:45. > :48:46.do and how you're going to pay for do and how you're going to pay for
:48:46. > :48:48.do and how you're going to pay for it you are not going to win voters'
:48:48. > :48:50.it you are not going to win voters' it you are not going to win voters'
:48:50. > :48:51.trust. We have put some policies trust. We have put some policies
:48:51. > :48:53.trust. We have put some policies out there. We have talked about
:48:53. > :48:54.out there. We have talked about local procurement and the
:48:54. > :48:58.local procurement and the investment bank for small
:48:58. > :48:59.investment bank for small investment bank for small
:48:59. > :49:01.businesses. That programme is one businesses. That programme is one
:49:01. > :49:01.businesses. That programme is one businesses. That programme is one
:49:01. > :49:03.to take time to put together. We to take time to put together. We
:49:03. > :49:04.to take time to put together. We to take time to put together. We
:49:04. > :49:05.are keen to engage with as many are keen to engage with as many
:49:05. > :49:06.are keen to engage with as many are keen to engage with as many
:49:06. > :49:07.people as we can. One of the other people as we can. One of the other
:49:07. > :49:10.people as we can. One of the other people as we can. One of the other
:49:10. > :49:11.things we are going to be doing is things we are going to be doing is
:49:11. > :49:13.things we are going to be doing is launching a manifesto which is
:49:13. > :49:14.launching a manifesto which is launching a manifesto which is
:49:14. > :49:15.trying to engage people online in trying to engage people online in
:49:15. > :49:18.trying to engage people online in trying to engage people online in
:49:18. > :49:19.get people to put their ideas on get people to put their ideas on
:49:19. > :49:20.get people to put their ideas on get people to put their ideas on
:49:20. > :49:20.the internet to tell us what they the internet to tell us what they
:49:20. > :49:22.the internet to tell us what they the internet to tell us what they
:49:22. > :49:23.think we should do to build a think we should do to build a
:49:23. > :49:25.think we should do to build a better Wales. There is no guarantee
:49:25. > :49:26.better Wales. There is no guarantee better Wales. There is no guarantee
:49:26. > :49:27.better Wales. There is no guarantee you will accept them. We will have
:49:27. > :49:29.you will accept them. We will have you will accept them. We will have
:49:29. > :49:31.a process within the party for a process within the party for
:49:31. > :49:32.a process within the party for finalising the manifesto. I am keen
:49:32. > :49:34.finalising the manifesto. I am keen finalising the manifesto. I am keen
:49:34. > :49:37.and generally interested in hearing and generally interested in hearing
:49:37. > :49:38.and generally interested in hearing what people's ideas are. You want
:49:38. > :49:39.what people's ideas are. You want what people's ideas are. You want
:49:39. > :49:42.what people's ideas are. You want to be positive and do what Plaid
:49:42. > :49:43.to be positive and do what Plaid to be positive and do what Plaid
:49:43. > :49:45.to be positive and do what Plaid Cymru wants to do, but he had
:49:45. > :49:47.Cymru wants to do, but he had Cymru wants to do, but he had
:49:47. > :49:48.pretty lines of attack against the pretty lines of attack against the
:49:48. > :49:49.pretty lines of attack against the Labour government in Cardiff. He
:49:49. > :49:50.Labour government in Cardiff. He Labour government in Cardiff. He
:49:50. > :49:52.wants people to think they are wants people to think they are
:49:52. > :49:53.wants people to think they are lethargic. For I think they are
:49:53. > :49:54.lethargic. For I think they are lethargic. For I think they are
:49:54. > :49:55.lethargic. There is a lot of lethargic. There is a lot of
:49:55. > :49:56.lethargic. There is a lot of inertia coming out of the
:49:56. > :49:59.inertia coming out of the inertia coming out of the
:49:59. > :50:01.government in Cardiff Bay, there government in Cardiff Bay, there
:50:01. > :50:01.government in Cardiff Bay, there government in Cardiff Bay, there
:50:01. > :50:06.isn't a lot of urgency in dealing isn't a lot of urgency in dealing
:50:06. > :50:07.isn't a lot of urgency in dealing with our economic problems. Unless
:50:07. > :50:09.with our economic problems. Unless with our economic problems. Unless
:50:09. > :50:11.with our economic problems. Unless we have that we can't have that
:50:11. > :50:13.we have that we can't have that we have that we can't have that
:50:13. > :50:13.position to have answers. You said position to have answers. You said
:50:13. > :50:15.position to have answers. You said position to have answers. You said
:50:15. > :50:16.you will start in a constituency. I you will start in a constituency. I
:50:16. > :50:17.you will start in a constituency. I you will start in a constituency. I
:50:17. > :50:19.know you are not win to tell me know you are not win to tell me
:50:19. > :50:21.know you are not win to tell me know you are not win to tell me
:50:21. > :50:22.what seat it is. I haven't decided. what seat it is. I haven't decided.
:50:22. > :50:22.what seat it is. I haven't decided. what seat it is. I haven't decided.
:50:22. > :50:25.A final decision will be made in A final decision will be made in
:50:25. > :50:25.A final decision will be made in A final decision will be made in
:50:25. > :50:28.the next few weeks. How many seats the next few weeks. How many seats
:50:28. > :50:29.the next few weeks. How many seats the next few weeks. How many seats
:50:29. > :50:31.are you considering? I am down to are you considering? I am down to
:50:31. > :50:32.are you considering? I am down to are you considering? I am down to
:50:32. > :50:34.under five. Are you in with a under five. Are you in with a
:50:34. > :50:40.under five. Are you in with a under five. Are you in with a
:50:40. > :50:41.chance? Plea as, I do.Her what is chance? Plea as, I do.Her what is
:50:41. > :50:43.chance? Plea as, I do.Her what is your thinking. Which one we you
:50:43. > :50:44.your thinking. Which one we you your thinking. Which one we you
:50:44. > :50:46.decide Don? What is your thinking? decide Don? What is your thinking?
:50:46. > :50:48.decide Don? What is your thinking? decide Don? What is your thinking?
:50:48. > :50:48.I am having a lot of discussions I am having a lot of discussions
:50:48. > :50:52.I am having a lot of discussions within Plaid Cymru with various
:50:52. > :50:53.within Plaid Cymru with various members about the various
:50:53. > :50:55.members about the various members about the various
:50:55. > :50:55.permutations and options that are permutations and options that are
:50:55. > :50:57.permutations and options that are permutations and options that are
:50:57. > :50:57.out there. When I am ready to out there. When I am ready to
:50:57. > :50:59.out there. When I am ready to out there. When I am ready to
:50:59. > :51:01.announce come I will let you know. announce come I will let you know.
:51:01. > :51:03.announce come I will let you know. announce come I will let you know.
:51:03. > :51:04.Is it her constituency or bust? Are Is it her constituency or bust? Are
:51:04. > :51:05.Is it her constituency or bust? Are Is it her constituency or bust? Are
:51:05. > :51:08.you praying that you can stand as a you praying that you can stand as a
:51:08. > :51:08.you praying that you can stand as a you praying that you can stand as a
:51:08. > :51:10.list member if you lose? I have list member if you lose? I have
:51:10. > :51:11.list member if you lose? I have announced my intention to stand in
:51:11. > :51:12.announced my intention to stand in announced my intention to stand in
:51:12. > :51:14.the constituency under the current the constituency under the current
:51:14. > :51:15.the constituency under the current the constituency under the current
:51:15. > :51:15.regime. If that changes I will look regime. If that changes I will look
:51:15. > :51:16.regime. If that changes I will look at that situation under the
:51:17. > :51:18.at that situation under the at that situation under the
:51:18. > :51:20.different regime but at the moment different regime but at the moment
:51:20. > :51:20.different regime but at the moment different regime but at the moment
:51:20. > :51:21.different regime but at the moment we are where we are, if I stand in
:51:21. > :51:22.we are where we are, if I stand in we are where we are, if I stand in
:51:22. > :51:23.a constituency than the list will a constituency than the list will
:51:23. > :51:24.a constituency than the list will a constituency than the list will
:51:24. > :51:26.not be open to meet the system not be open to meet the system
:51:26. > :51:31.not be open to meet the system not be open to meet the system
:51:31. > :51:33.stays as it is. So see top burst? stays as it is. So see top burst?
:51:33. > :51:38.stays as it is. So see top burst? stays as it is. So see top burst?
:51:38. > :51:39.How yes. -- sow seeds or bust. Did How yes. -- sow seeds or bust. Did
:51:39. > :51:43.How yes. -- sow seeds or bust. Did How yes. -- sow seeds or bust. Did
:51:43. > :51:43.you respond with joy that you at you respond with joy that you at
:51:43. > :51:45.you respond with joy that you at 20% above the Conservative leader
:51:45. > :51:46.20% above the Conservative leader 20% above the Conservative leader
:51:46. > :51:47.in Cardiff Bay? The poll was in Cardiff Bay? The poll was
:51:47. > :51:49.in Cardiff Bay? The poll was interesting and they think the
:51:49. > :51:50.interesting and they think the interesting and they think the
:51:50. > :51:52.opinions of people on the various opinions of people on the various
:51:52. > :51:55.opinions of people on the various political issues show that Plaid
:51:55. > :51:56.political issues show that Plaid political issues show that Plaid
:51:56. > :51:58.Cymru... But what about you? What Cymru... But what about you? What
:51:58. > :52:00.Cymru... But what about you? What about your position? I think that
:52:00. > :52:00.about your position? I think that about your position? I think that
:52:00. > :52:02.Paul was going in the right Paul was going in the right
:52:02. > :52:03.Paul was going in the right direction for Plaid Cymru. How
:52:03. > :52:03.direction for Plaid Cymru. How direction for Plaid Cymru. How
:52:03. > :52:05.direction for Plaid Cymru. How would like to see his improve over
:52:05. > :52:06.would like to see his improve over would like to see his improve over
:52:06. > :52:07.would like to see his improve over time. I would like to become the
:52:07. > :52:08.time. I would like to become the time. I would like to become the
:52:08. > :52:14.First Minister. I am pleased with First Minister. I am pleased with
:52:14. > :52:16.the poll results. the poll results.
:52:16. > :52:17.the poll results. Byron Davies, let's start with the
:52:17. > :52:18.Byron Davies, let's start with the Byron Davies, let's start with the
:52:18. > :52:21.fact you might have something in fact you might have something in
:52:21. > :52:22.fact you might have something in common with Plaid Cymru. Leanne
:52:22. > :52:23.common with Plaid Cymru. Leanne common with Plaid Cymru. Leanne
:52:23. > :52:25.Wood be accusing the Labour Wood be accusing the Labour
:52:25. > :52:26.Wood be accusing the Labour government of being lethargic. Is
:52:26. > :52:27.government of being lethargic. Is government of being lethargic. Is
:52:27. > :52:29.government of being lethargic. Is that a platform you might share?
:52:29. > :52:31.that a platform you might share? that a platform you might share?
:52:31. > :52:32.think I do, actually. They are think I do, actually. They are
:52:32. > :52:34.think I do, actually. They are becoming known as Lizzie Labour. I
:52:34. > :52:37.becoming known as Lizzie Labour. I becoming known as Lizzie Labour. I
:52:37. > :52:38.don't share anything with Plaid don't share anything with Plaid
:52:38. > :52:38.don't share anything with Plaid Cymru. Plaid Cymru is full of
:52:38. > :52:40.Cymru. Plaid Cymru is full of Cymru. Plaid Cymru is full of
:52:40. > :52:42.rhetoric but there is no substance rhetoric but there is no substance
:52:42. > :52:44.rhetoric but there is no substance to anything they are saying. I
:52:44. > :52:45.to anything they are saying. I to anything they are saying. I
:52:45. > :52:46.to anything they are saying. I can't see anything at all which we
:52:46. > :52:48.can't see anything at all which we can't see anything at all which we
:52:48. > :52:50.can share were Plaid Cymru. can share were Plaid Cymru.
:52:50. > :52:51.can share were Plaid Cymru. Baroness Gale, two people have
:52:51. > :52:53.Baroness Gale, two people have Baroness Gale, two people have
:52:53. > :52:55.accused the Labour government of lethargy.
:52:55. > :52:56.lethargy. lethargy.
:52:56. > :52:57.lethargy. I don't understand that at all. She
:52:57. > :52:58.I don't understand that at all. She I don't understand that at all. She
:52:58. > :53:00.I don't understand that at all. She has got to make some points, some
:53:00. > :53:01.has got to make some points, some has got to make some points, some
:53:01. > :53:02.political points that lethargy is political points that lethargy is
:53:02. > :53:03.political points that lethargy is political points that lethargy is
:53:03. > :53:03.the last what you could use of the the last what you could use of the
:53:03. > :53:05.the last what you could use of the Welsh Government. They are very
:53:05. > :53:06.Welsh Government. They are very Welsh Government. They are very
:53:06. > :53:08.Welsh Government. They are very active in all walks of life. I
:53:08. > :53:09.active in all walks of life. I active in all walks of life. I
:53:09. > :53:11.don't understand that accusation at don't understand that accusation at
:53:11. > :53:12.don't understand that accusation at don't understand that accusation at
:53:12. > :53:13.all. Let's look at some of the all. Let's look at some of the
:53:13. > :53:15.all. Let's look at some of the other things Leanne Wood raised.
:53:15. > :53:15.other things Leanne Wood raised. other things Leanne Wood raised.
:53:15. > :53:17.There was an attack on education There was an attack on education
:53:18. > :53:19.There was an attack on education under Labour in Wales. The
:53:19. > :53:20.under Labour in Wales. The under Labour in Wales. The
:53:20. > :53:22.graveyard of ambition, she said. graveyard of ambition, she said.
:53:22. > :53:24.graveyard of ambition, she said. graveyard of ambition, she said.
:53:24. > :53:25.How do respond? It is a shame to How do respond? It is a shame to
:53:25. > :53:27.How do respond? It is a shame to use words like that about our
:53:27. > :53:28.use words like that about our use words like that about our
:53:28. > :53:30.use words like that about our children in Wales. I think she was
:53:30. > :53:33.children in Wales. I think she was describing the system.
:53:33. > :53:34.describing the system. Education Minister, Leighton
:53:34. > :53:37.Education Minister, Leighton Education Minister, Leighton
:53:37. > :53:38.Education Minister, Leighton Andrews, is doing a great job. He
:53:38. > :53:39.Andrews, is doing a great job. He Andrews, is doing a great job. He
:53:39. > :53:42.is getting stuck in there and is getting stuck in there and
:53:42. > :53:43.is getting stuck in there and sorting things out. That will be
:53:43. > :53:45.sorting things out. That will be sorting things out. That will be
:53:45. > :53:45.beneficial to the education system beneficial to the education system
:53:45. > :53:46.beneficial to the education system beneficial to the education system
:53:46. > :53:50.in Wales. I really think she has in Wales. I really think she has
:53:50. > :53:51.in Wales. I really think she has in Wales. I really think she has
:53:51. > :53:52.got it wrong. Byron Davies, she is got it wrong. Byron Davies, she is
:53:52. > :53:54.got it wrong. Byron Davies, she is coming to you in charge, Leanne
:53:54. > :53:55.coming to you in charge, Leanne coming to you in charge, Leanne
:53:55. > :53:56.coming to you in charge, Leanne Wood, you will have observed her in
:53:56. > :53:58.Wood, you will have observed her in Wood, you will have observed her in
:53:58. > :53:59.the Assembly chamber. What you make the Assembly chamber. What you make
:53:59. > :54:01.the Assembly chamber. What you make the Assembly chamber. What you make
:54:01. > :54:02.of her first year? Has she made an of her first year? Has she made an
:54:03. > :54:04.of her first year? Has she made an impact? Not really. She is a
:54:04. > :54:08.impact? Not really. She is a impact? Not really. She is a
:54:08. > :54:09.separatist leader of a separatist separatist leader of a separatist
:54:09. > :54:11.separatist leader of a separatist separatist leader of a separatist
:54:11. > :54:12.party. A poll has shown that 9% of party. A poll has shown that 9% of
:54:12. > :54:14.party. A poll has shown that 9% of party. A poll has shown that 9% of
:54:15. > :54:16.people in Wales would like to see people in Wales would like to see
:54:17. > :54:21.people in Wales would like to see whales become devolved totally. It
:54:21. > :54:22.whales become devolved totally. It whales become devolved totally. It
:54:22. > :54:23.speaks for itself. Your party speaks for itself. Your party
:54:23. > :54:24.speaks for itself. Your party leader this week has been talking
:54:24. > :54:25.leader this week has been talking leader this week has been talking
:54:25. > :54:27.leader this week has been talking about the future. If tax powers are
:54:27. > :54:28.about the future. If tax powers are about the future. If tax powers are
:54:28. > :54:30.about the future. If tax powers are devolved to Wales, he has set out
:54:30. > :54:32.devolved to Wales, he has set out devolved to Wales, he has set out
:54:32. > :54:33.his stall. Leanne Wood was very his stall. Leanne Wood was very
:54:33. > :54:34.his stall. Leanne Wood was very critical saying your party when out
:54:34. > :54:35.critical saying your party when out critical saying your party when out
:54:35. > :54:39.critical saying your party when out of touch, giving tax cuts are the
:54:39. > :54:40.of touch, giving tax cuts are the of touch, giving tax cuts are the
:54:40. > :54:41.better well-off. We all realised better well-off. We all realised
:54:41. > :54:42.better well-off. We all realised there is a distance between Andrew
:54:42. > :54:44.there is a distance between Andrew there is a distance between Andrew
:54:44. > :54:45.there is a distance between Andrew RT Davies and at Leanne Wood. We
:54:45. > :54:47.RT Davies and at Leanne Wood. We RT Davies and at Leanne Wood. We
:54:47. > :54:48.are saying for those people that are saying for those people that
:54:48. > :54:51.are saying for those people that are paying 40% tax, let's consider
:54:51. > :54:51.are paying 40% tax, let's consider are paying 40% tax, let's consider
:54:51. > :54:52.are paying 40% tax, let's consider giving them a tax break ms bring
:54:52. > :54:53.giving them a tax break ms bring giving them a tax break ms bring
:54:53. > :54:54.business to Wales. That encourage business to Wales. That encourage
:54:54. > :54:54.business to Wales. That encourage business to Wales. That encourage
:54:54. > :54:56.people to come to us because that people to come to us because that
:54:56. > :54:57.people to come to us because that people to come to us because that
:54:57. > :54:59.is what we need. We need to kick- is what we need. We need to kick-
:54:59. > :54:59.is what we need. We need to kick- start the economy here. It is
:55:00. > :55:01.start the economy here. It is start the economy here. It is
:55:01. > :55:04.something Carwyn Jones is not doing. something Carwyn Jones is not doing.
:55:04. > :55:05.something Carwyn Jones is not doing. something Carwyn Jones is not doing.
:55:05. > :55:06.On the matter of the economy, we On the matter of the economy, we
:55:06. > :55:07.On the matter of the economy, we have had the Conservative let out
:55:07. > :55:08.have had the Conservative let out have had the Conservative let out
:55:08. > :55:11.their plans, Plaid Cymru not keen their plans, Plaid Cymru not keen
:55:11. > :55:12.their plans, Plaid Cymru not keen their plans, Plaid Cymru not keen
:55:12. > :55:14.to give us any policy ideas. It is to give us any policy ideas. It is
:55:14. > :55:15.to give us any policy ideas. It is so far before election. Would you
:55:15. > :55:16.so far before election. Would you so far before election. Would you
:55:16. > :55:19.so far before election. Would you make of that idea? Is at a sensible
:55:19. > :55:21.make of that idea? Is at a sensible make of that idea? Is at a sensible
:55:21. > :55:22.make of that idea? Is at a sensible one? We are in a political void. It
:55:22. > :55:22.one? We are in a political void. It one? We are in a political void. It
:55:22. > :55:24.one? We are in a political void. It is rare we don't have an election
:55:24. > :55:26.is rare we don't have an election is rare we don't have an election
:55:26. > :55:27.is rare we don't have an election every year in Wales. It is unusual,
:55:27. > :55:28.every year in Wales. It is unusual, every year in Wales. It is unusual,
:55:28. > :55:29.every year in Wales. It is unusual, then are no elections in Wales. I
:55:29. > :55:33.then are no elections in Wales. I then are no elections in Wales. I
:55:33. > :55:35.then are no elections in Wales. I do think not having a year without,
:55:35. > :55:36.do think not having a year without, do think not having a year without,
:55:36. > :55:44.Surrey, having a year without an Surrey, having a year without an
:55:44. > :55:44.Surrey, having a year without an Surrey, having a year without an
:55:44. > :55:45.election is giving us time. It is election is giving us time. It is
:55:45. > :55:47.election is giving us time. It is election is giving us time. It is
:55:47. > :55:48.not a necessarily the time to put not a necessarily the time to put
:55:48. > :55:50.not a necessarily the time to put not a necessarily the time to put
:55:50. > :55:51.policies for it because it is too policies for it because it is too
:55:51. > :55:53.policies for it because it is too policies for it because it is too
:55:53. > :55:54.soon? It is three years before the soon? It is three years before the
:55:54. > :55:57.soon? It is three years before the election of the Welsh Assembly. It
:55:57. > :55:58.election of the Welsh Assembly. It election of the Welsh Assembly. It
:55:58. > :55:59.election of the Welsh Assembly. It is just over two years for the
:55:59. > :56:00.is just over two years for the is just over two years for the
:56:00. > :56:02.general election. Parties have got general election. Parties have got
:56:02. > :56:03.general election. Parties have got general election. Parties have got
:56:03. > :56:04.to be thinking about it. You have to be thinking about it. You have
:56:04. > :56:05.to be thinking about it. You have got to give the electorate some
:56:05. > :56:06.got to give the electorate some got to give the electorate some
:56:06. > :56:10.got to give the electorate some idea what you're going to stand for.
:56:10. > :56:11.idea what you're going to stand for. idea what you're going to stand for.
:56:11. > :56:11.Her leader at a party conference Her leader at a party conference
:56:11. > :56:13.Her leader at a party conference ought to be saying something
:56:13. > :56:14.ought to be saying something ought to be saying something
:56:14. > :56:15.positive about their policies which positive about their policies which
:56:15. > :56:17.positive about their policies which positive about their policies which
:56:17. > :56:19.we don't seem to have had from we don't seem to have had from
:56:19. > :56:20.we don't seem to have had from Leanne Wood. You expect from Carwyn
:56:20. > :56:21.Leanne Wood. You expect from Carwyn Leanne Wood. You expect from Carwyn
:56:21. > :56:22.Jones and Owen Smith firm policies Jones and Owen Smith firm policies
:56:22. > :56:28.Jones and Owen Smith firm policies Jones and Owen Smith firm policies
:56:28. > :56:29.in a couple of weeks when Labour go in a couple of weeks when Labour go
:56:29. > :56:30.in a couple of weeks when Labour go in a couple of weeks when Labour go
:56:30. > :56:32.to Llandudno? We are in the process to Llandudno? We are in the process
:56:32. > :56:33.to Llandudno? We are in the process both nationally and in Wales at
:56:33. > :56:34.both nationally and in Wales at both nationally and in Wales at
:56:34. > :56:35.looking at our policies. We will looking at our policies. We will
:56:35. > :56:37.looking at our policies. We will looking at our policies. We will
:56:37. > :56:38.have some idea of where we're going. have some idea of where we're going.
:56:38. > :56:40.have some idea of where we're going. have some idea of where we're going.
:56:40. > :56:41.We will keep an eye out for that. We will keep an eye out for that.
:56:41. > :56:42.We will keep an eye out for that. We will keep an eye out for that.
:56:42. > :56:43.Time now for a quick look back at Time now for a quick look back at
:56:43. > :56:44.Time now for a quick look back at some of the political stories of
:56:44. > :56:53.some of the political stories of some of the political stories of
:56:53. > :56:55.the week in 60 Seconds. the week in 60 Seconds.
:56:55. > :56:56.the week in 60 Seconds. Andrew RT Davies, the Conservative
:56:56. > :56:58.Andrew RT Davies, the Conservative Andrew RT Davies, the Conservative
:56:58. > :57:00.leader, said high earners should leader, said high earners should
:57:00. > :57:00.leader, said high earners should leader, said high earners should
:57:01. > :57:01.get an income tax to at best might get an income tax to at best might
:57:01. > :57:06.get an income tax to at best might cuts if powers are devolved to
:57:06. > :57:07.cuts if powers are devolved to cuts if powers are devolved to
:57:07. > :57:08.Cardiff Baverstock -- income tax Cardiff Baverstock -- income tax
:57:08. > :57:11.Cardiff Baverstock -- income tax cuts its powers are devolved to
:57:11. > :57:12.cuts its powers are devolved to cuts its powers are devolved to
:57:12. > :57:13.Cardiff. The Prime Minister will Cardiff. The Prime Minister will
:57:13. > :57:14.Cardiff. The Prime Minister will Cardiff. The Prime Minister will
:57:15. > :57:15.look to their case of a blind look to their case of a blind
:57:15. > :57:20.look to their case of a blind couple in Caerphilly bearer when
:57:20. > :57:23.couple in Caerphilly bearer when couple in Caerphilly bearer when
:57:23. > :57:24.the so-called bedroom tax stars the so-called bedroom tax stars
:57:24. > :57:26.the so-called bedroom tax stars next month. First Minister car
:57:26. > :57:26.next month. First Minister car next month. First Minister car
:57:26. > :57:27.next month. First Minister car Windows and has plans for the bus
:57:27. > :57:28.Windows and has plans for the bus Windows and has plans for the bus
:57:29. > :57:29.on assistance saying he wanted to on assistance saying he wanted to
:57:29. > :57:32.on assistance saying he wanted to recognise ordinary people who do
:57:32. > :57:34.recognise ordinary people who do extraordinary things. -- Carwyn
:57:34. > :57:35.extraordinary things. -- Carwyn extraordinary things. -- Carwyn
:57:35. > :57:35.Jones. He made a Commons to Jones. He made a Commons to
:57:35. > :57:37.Jones. He made a Commons to Assembly Members during the Wales
:57:37. > :57:38.Assembly Members during the Wales Assembly Members during the Wales
:57:38. > :57:39.deserve to debate which called for deserve to debate which called for
:57:39. > :57:39.deserve to debate which called for deserve to debate which called for
:57:39. > :57:42.deserve to debate which called for at St David's Day to be made a bank
:57:42. > :57:43.at St David's Day to be made a bank at St David's Day to be made a bank
:57:43. > :57:44.holiday. Swansea's gay men Davies holiday. Swansea's gay men Davies
:57:44. > :57:47.holiday. Swansea's gay men Davies and chanting has led MPs in
:57:47. > :57:48.and chanting has led MPs in congratulating Swansea City for
:57:48. > :57:50.congratulating Swansea City for congratulating Swansea City for
:57:50. > :57:55.winning the 10-13 League Cup final. winning the 10-13 League Cup final.
:57:55. > :57:56.winning the 10-13 League Cup final. This one's after Europe. -- the
:57:56. > :57:58.This one's after Europe. -- the This one's after Europe. -- the
:57:58. > :58:00.This one's after Europe. -- the Swans are off to Europe. I think
:58:00. > :58:01.Swans are off to Europe. I think Swans are off to Europe. I think
:58:01. > :58:02.Swans are off to Europe. I think Byron Davies, you want to put the
:58:02. > :58:03.Byron Davies, you want to put the Byron Davies, you want to put the
:58:03. > :58:04.word in for Assembly Members when word in for Assembly Members when
:58:04. > :58:07.word in for Assembly Members when it comes to congratulating Swansea
:58:07. > :58:11.it comes to congratulating Swansea it comes to congratulating Swansea
:58:11. > :58:12.City. We signed a statement of City. We signed a statement of
:58:12. > :58:14.City. We signed a statement of City. We signed a statement of
:58:14. > :58:16.intent in the Assembly that all on intent in the Assembly that all on
:58:16. > :58:18.intent in the Assembly that all on the South Wales West constituency
:58:18. > :58:19.the South Wales West constituency the South Wales West constituency
:58:19. > :58:20.and regional members to promote the and regional members to promote the
:58:20. > :58:24.and regional members to promote the fact that Swansea City was
:58:24. > :58:25.fact that Swansea City was fact that Swansea City was
:58:25. > :58:27.successful. I, together with Mike successful. I, together with Mike
:58:27. > :58:28.successful. I, together with Mike Hedges, were down in Swansea other
:58:28. > :58:28.Hedges, were down in Swansea other Hedges, were down in Swansea other
:58:29. > :58:29.Hedges, were down in Swansea other day they came back and have a civic
:58:29. > :58:30.day they came back and have a civic day they came back and have a civic
:58:31. > :58:32.day they came back and have a civic reception. I have to say that it
:58:32. > :58:33.reception. I have to say that it reception. I have to say that it
:58:33. > :58:34.reception. I have to say that it was very close to home. We were
:58:34. > :58:36.was very close to home. We were was very close to home. We were
:58:36. > :58:38.supporting them and it wasn't just supporting them and it wasn't just
:58:38. > :58:40.supporting them and it wasn't just a Westminster affair. They add in
:58:40. > :58:41.a Westminster affair. They add in a Westminster affair. They add in
:58:41. > :58:43.a Westminster affair. They add in Europe. A deal fancy a trip abroad?
:58:43. > :58:44.Europe. A deal fancy a trip abroad? Europe. A deal fancy a trip abroad?
:58:44. > :58:45.Europe. A deal fancy a trip abroad? I absolutely and I wish them every
:58:45. > :58:49.I absolutely and I wish them every I absolutely and I wish them every
:58:49. > :58:51.success. It has been phenomenal. success. It has been phenomenal.
:58:51. > :58:52.success. It has been phenomenal. success. It has been phenomenal.
:58:52. > :58:53.They have done very, very well. They have done very, very well.
:58:53. > :58:56.They have done very, very well. They have done very, very well.
:58:56. > :58:57.has had an economic impact on the has had an economic impact on the
:58:58. > :58:58.has had an economic impact on the has had an economic impact on the
:58:58. > :59:00.city. Some �50 million. That is the city. Some �50 million. That is the
:59:00. > :59:00.city. Some �50 million. That is the city. Some �50 million. That is the
:59:00. > :59:01.suggestion, I am not too sure about suggestion, I am not too sure about
:59:01. > :59:03.suggestion, I am not too sure about suggestion, I am not too sure about
:59:04. > :59:04.the figure but it will have an the figure but it will have an
:59:04. > :59:05.the figure but it will have an impact. Swansea, the city council
:59:05. > :59:06.impact. Swansea, the city council impact. Swansea, the city council
:59:06. > :59:09.impact. Swansea, the city council need to take this on board as well
:59:09. > :59:10.need to take this on board as well need to take this on board as well
:59:11. > :59:11.need to take this on board as well as the Welsh Assembly. The need to
:59:11. > :59:15.as the Welsh Assembly. The need to as the Welsh Assembly. The need to
:59:15. > :59:21.promote Swansea as a regional area promote Swansea as a regional area
:59:21. > :59:22.promote Swansea as a regional area to bring tourism end. Baroness Gale,
:59:22. > :59:23.to bring tourism end. Baroness Gale, to bring tourism end. Baroness Gale,
:59:23. > :59:25.to bring tourism end. Baroness Gale, you have a busy week in the Lords
:59:25. > :59:27.you have a busy week in the Lords this week. International Women's
:59:27. > :59:29.this week. International Women's this week. International Women's
:59:29. > :59:31.Day coming up on Friday. Day coming up on Friday.
:59:31. > :59:32.Celebrations planned for Thursday. Celebrations planned for Thursday.
:59:32. > :59:33.Celebrations planned for Thursday. Celebrations planned for Thursday.
:59:33. > :59:35.In the House of Lords will be In the House of Lords will be
:59:35. > :59:37.In the House of Lords will be having a four-hour debate on the
:59:37. > :59:38.having a four-hour debate on the having a four-hour debate on the
:59:38. > :59:40.International Women's Day. It gives International Women's Day. It gives
:59:40. > :59:42.International Women's Day. It gives all members the opportunity to make
:59:42. > :59:44.all members the opportunity to make all members the opportunity to make
:59:44. > :59:45.speeches, ask ministers all sorts speeches, ask ministers all sorts
:59:45. > :59:46.speeches, ask ministers all sorts of questions, highlighting or is
:59:46. > :59:47.of questions, highlighting or is of questions, highlighting or is
:59:47. > :59:50.used around women in our own used around women in our own
:59:50. > :59:51.country and internationally. country and internationally.
:59:51. > :59:51.country and internationally. country and internationally.
:59:51. > :59:53.fits into what we have been talking fits into what we have been talking
:59:53. > :59:54.fits into what we have been talking fits into what we have been talking
:59:54. > :59:55.to date. I don't know what there to date. I don't know what there
:59:55. > :59:57.to date. I don't know what there was governments will have planned.
:59:57. > :59:58.was governments will have planned. was governments will have planned.
:59:58. > :59:58.was governments will have planned. Women's issues are so much in the
:59:59. > :00:02.Women's issues are so much in the Women's issues are so much in the
:00:02. > :00:03.news especially with having women news especially with having women
:00:03. > :00:06.news especially with having women into politics. The last few weeks,
:00:06. > :00:06.into politics. The last few weeks, into politics. The last few weeks,
:00:07. > :00:07.into politics. The last few weeks, there's been a lot in the news
:00:07. > :00:08.there's been a lot in the news there's been a lot in the news
:00:08. > :00:09.about the representation of women about the representation of women
:00:09. > :00:10.about the representation of women about the representation of women
:00:10. > :00:11.and so one might think that is and so one might think that is
:00:11. > :00:13.and so one might think that is great. The issues we have been
:00:13. > :00:14.great. The issues we have been great. The issues we have been
:00:14. > :00:16.debating today and throughout the debating today and throughout the
:00:16. > :00:18.debating today and throughout the week. It is really important that
:00:18. > :00:19.week. It is really important that week. It is really important that
:00:20. > :00:21.these issues are raised because these issues are raised because
:00:21. > :00:22.women are under-represented women are under-represented
:00:22. > :00:25.women are under-represented certainly in Wales to a large
:00:25. > :00:27.certainly in Wales to a large extent. Their Welsh Government
:00:27. > :00:28.extent. Their Welsh Government extent. Their Welsh Government
:00:28. > :00:29.talked about quotas, would you like talked about quotas, would you like
:00:29. > :00:30.talked about quotas, would you like talked about quotas, would you like
:00:30. > :00:34.to see a stage where legislation is to see a stage where legislation is
:00:34. > :00:35.to see a stage where legislation is required to get parity? I don't
:00:35. > :00:36.required to get parity? I don't required to get parity? I don't
:00:36. > :00:37.required to get parity? I don't think we will come to that for a
:00:37. > :00:38.think we will come to that for a think we will come to that for a
:00:38. > :00:40.lawful long time although I might lawful long time although I might
:00:40. > :00:42.lawful long time although I might lawful long time although I might
:00:42. > :00:44.like it. It is not my party policy like it. It is not my party policy
:00:44. > :00:45.like it. It is not my party policy like it. It is not my party policy
:00:45. > :00:46.at all. Very briefly, you have been at all. Very briefly, you have been
:00:46. > :00:47.at all. Very briefly, you have been at all. Very briefly, you have been
:00:47. > :00:49.on it, or what you fancy an honour on it, or what you fancy an honour
:00:49. > :00:51.on it, or what you fancy an honour on it, or what you fancy an honour
:00:51. > :00:52.under the Welsh on as Les? If it under the Welsh on as Les? If it
:00:52. > :00:55.under the Welsh on as Les? If it was an Assembly honours list, yes
:00:55. > :00:57.was an Assembly honours list, yes was an Assembly honours list, yes
:00:57. > :00:58.of course. A thank-you for joining of course. A thank-you for joining