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:01:12. > :01:15.racing track in Gwent could create thousands of jobs, but opponents

:01:15. > :01:25.fear its environmental impact. What should the balance be between the

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:01:25. > :40:24.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2339 seconds

:40:24. > :40:30.Government tell us that they are braced for a tough deal with the

:40:30. > :40:35.latest round of Treasury cuts. And opposition to a motor racing track

:40:35. > :40:39.cash what should the balance be between the economy and environment?

:40:39. > :40:44.I am joined by representatives from both Labour and the Liberal

:40:44. > :40:51.Democrats. We will move onto those stories but beforehand the ongoing

:40:51. > :41:00.row about police commissioners in Gwent. Questions needing to be

:41:00. > :41:09.answered about the author retirement of Carmel Napier by the police

:41:09. > :41:14.commissioner. There is a precedent. Yes. Boris Johnson did so in London.

:41:14. > :41:21.Regards what has happened in Gwent, there are two issues. Scrutinising

:41:21. > :41:27.what Ian Johnson has done, and the powers that he has. He had those

:41:27. > :41:35.powers to appoint and dismiss chief constables. He is within his right

:41:35. > :41:39.to use them. But that does not excuse them from scrutiny. But he

:41:39. > :41:49.has those powers and is able to use them the same way Boris Johnson

:41:49. > :41:56.that. I suspect you take a different view. In the Labour Party we had a

:41:56. > :42:02.vetting procedure for candidates. The question is, what sort of

:42:02. > :42:09.Maverick have we got in post? What controls have we got over what they

:42:09. > :42:14.can do and what are the consequences of decisions they make take? Do you

:42:14. > :42:17.think that those questions still need to be addressed? I think they

:42:17. > :42:22.need to be scrutinised very carefully and will be interesting to

:42:22. > :42:28.see the reaction of the panel, which has some say, but is very different

:42:28. > :42:34.from the old lease authority. sure we will discuss it again. The

:42:34. > :42:40.Welsh Government are braced for a tough deal in the latest round of

:42:40. > :42:47.Treasury cuts. The Finance Minister is expecting choppier waters and has

:42:47. > :42:54.given departments targets to reduce spending and save money. Battening

:42:54. > :43:02.down the hatches. The cold wind of austerity. Just as the baby boomers

:43:02. > :43:08.retire. A perfect storm heading our way. We are told that Wales is not

:43:08. > :43:14.in great shape. This report looks at other small countries to see what we

:43:14. > :43:24.can learn. Wales had the highest level of expending and the lowest

:43:24. > :43:29.

:43:29. > :43:35.GDP. -- public spending. This is both an opportunity and a threat. It

:43:35. > :43:39.is difficult in a time of austerity to look at public sector reform. But

:43:39. > :43:49.many countries we investigated seat as an opportunity for a conversation

:43:49. > :43:54.about what public services will be needed for the next three decades.

:43:54. > :43:59.Later this month the Chancellor will unveil the spending review. The

:43:59. > :44:06.Welsh Government believed the budget will shrink and 20% in real terms

:44:06. > :44:12.over the course of the next ten years. Enough is enough. Further

:44:12. > :44:15.cuts will be devastating for Wales. The people here did not cause the

:44:15. > :44:23.situation we face but we are being asked to carry an unacceptable

:44:23. > :44:26.burden. The Finance Minister has asked for planning about how much of

:44:26. > :44:36.how little can be spent and the nightly meetings are being held. The

:44:36. > :44:38.

:44:38. > :44:48.next budget will be placed in the autumn. -- fortnightly meetings.

:44:48. > :44:50.

:44:50. > :45:00.are managing a very robust financial situation but we need to find cuts

:45:00. > :45:10.next year which rise to 18 million. You can see, here or on year the

:45:10. > :45:17.

:45:17. > :45:19.race lane has been cut. -- yield or an easier, the baseline.

:45:19. > :45:25.Conservative opposition say that funding and the health service

:45:25. > :45:33.should continue to rise in line with inflation. But that means cuts

:45:33. > :45:36.elsewhere. It is because of the financial mismanagement of the

:45:36. > :45:42.previous Labour government and the Welsh Government will have to make

:45:42. > :45:48.tough decisions. Politics is all about choices. The Welsh Government

:45:48. > :45:55.has that power to make those choices. Government ministers will

:45:55. > :46:05.have to trim the ambitions of departments. Even before the here

:46:05. > :46:07.

:46:07. > :46:14.the spending review announced by the Chancellor in June. -- Vesey. --

:46:14. > :46:23.they hear. Everyone has to make cuts. While the Welsh Government

:46:23. > :46:32.complaining? It is because of the banking crisis. Not according to

:46:32. > :46:35.Paul Davies. That is why it is important to get that straight.

:46:35. > :46:43.George Osborne as changing the goalposts every month. That is

:46:43. > :46:48.unhelpful. The real difficulty is that many of the services that the

:46:48. > :46:58.Welsh Government provide are the very things that people value so

:46:58. > :47:02.

:47:02. > :47:06.much. The Finance Minister bracing for choppy waters. She says they

:47:06. > :47:13.must identify savings. Is that not something they should be doing

:47:13. > :47:22.anyway? Let's not pretend this would have been any different under

:47:22. > :47:25.another government. If you look at the last budget and the projected

:47:25. > :47:33.cuts of Alistair Darling, it is roughly the same as the coalition

:47:33. > :47:41.now. And Ed Balls said he will stick to coalition spending plans. In

:47:41. > :47:49.terms of the money, it really depends on where the UK government

:47:49. > :47:58.make the cuts. Some departments are devolved. Others are not. If the cut

:47:58. > :48:08.in northern devolved departments, we are slightly better off. --

:48:08. > :48:09.

:48:10. > :48:19.non-devolved. Why are we being braced for cuts then? She is doing

:48:20. > :48:21.

:48:21. > :48:27.her job. Scaremongering?At the end of the day, what happens in the

:48:27. > :48:31.spending review is not about chopping and changing. The review

:48:31. > :48:39.was scheduled anyway. How it impacts on the Welsh Government will be debt

:48:39. > :48:48.the Colts to predict. -- difficult. As a Labour backbencher, are you

:48:48. > :48:54.happy to see Ed Balls lead economic policy and the House of commons?

:48:54. > :48:59.IMF have endorsed what he said three years ago. If you look at what the

:48:59. > :49:05.Welsh Government are attempting to do, infrastructure, housing, that

:49:05. > :49:15.creates jobs and homes. That is the type of thing we need to be doing. I

:49:15. > :49:18.

:49:18. > :49:22.want to see more of it. Why David Jones as delaying, I do not know.

:49:22. > :49:27.David Jones has said in an interview to be heard later this evening that

:49:27. > :49:37.he has been in discussions with the Treasury. He claims he has reached a

:49:37. > :49:44.deal on cuts to the Welsh budget. He said he had to do so because of the

:49:44. > :49:51.mess left by the government. That mantra is not going away. They are

:49:51. > :49:56.trying to hide behind it. The public fully understand that the yanks

:49:56. > :50:04.caused this. And they understand that they need to make money before

:50:04. > :50:14.pay at back. -- that the banks caused this. Does George Osborne

:50:14. > :50:15.

:50:15. > :50:25.finally need to ditch plan A? modified his plan. He has extended

:50:25. > :50:27.

:50:27. > :50:33.the date by which point cuts must happen. That was inevitable.So it

:50:33. > :50:39.is not because he has failed to get control of it? Adjustments are being

:50:39. > :50:46.made to compensate for how the economy is going. Let's not pretend

:50:46. > :50:51.this is only about the banks. Yes, they collapsed. But the fact that

:50:51. > :50:54.there will no controls on then caused the problem. Not every

:50:54. > :51:02.country had the problem because some of them kept an eye on what their

:51:02. > :51:11.banks were doing. We now must make sure that what we do as sensible,

:51:11. > :51:16.proper, and gets the economy back on track. A final response? It is clear

:51:16. > :51:22.that the banking crisis began in the USA. We must be happy that we do not

:51:22. > :51:30.get in the same situation again. -- the tearful. The important thing

:51:30. > :51:39.right now is to get growth and investment going. That is why the

:51:39. > :51:45.coalition are legislating on the banks. What a �215 million trace

:51:45. > :51:55.tyke, developers say that they suck it of Wales project will bring world

:51:55. > :51:58.

:51:58. > :52:01.class motor racing to Gwent. -- �250 million price tag. It may take some

:52:01. > :52:11.imagination but the developers claim that this place will be transformed

:52:11. > :52:11.

:52:11. > :52:18.into the Circuit of Wales. High class and businesses working in the

:52:18. > :52:28.motor sport sector. Cycles like this one tailing round the track,

:52:28. > :52:32.

:52:32. > :52:38.competing for world Championships. -- tiering. -- tearing. But others

:52:38. > :52:48.want to put the brakes on the project. Natural resources wheels

:52:48. > :53:04.

:53:04. > :53:08.with -- natural resources Wales consequences on the environment.

:53:08. > :53:18.do not oppose this because we are against development, but we are

:53:18. > :53:26.standing up for when. It is our charitable objective. -- wildly. --

:53:26. > :53:31.wildlife. I would question the figures of the proposal. They seem

:53:31. > :53:35.optimistic, which is an understatement. There must be other

:53:35. > :53:45.ways to create jobs in Gwent that do not have a catastrophic effect on

:53:45. > :53:49.green space. The developers declined to comment on opposition. There is

:53:49. > :53:55.no doubt that jobs are needed in this area which has a high

:53:55. > :53:58.unemployment rate and low wages for those lucky enough to be in work. No

:53:58. > :54:08.surprise that millions of pounds of investment and the jobs are welcomed

:54:08. > :54:09.

:54:09. > :54:17.by many here. 6500 jobs once it is there, let alone the creation of

:54:17. > :54:21.jobs for the wider area. The excitement, and the fact that people

:54:22. > :54:28.believe that Gwent is worth something again, that is something

:54:28. > :54:33.to be enthusiastic about. In our business meetings there has not been

:54:34. > :54:42.one trader who is not excited about the prospect, the foot fall,

:54:42. > :54:49.enthusiasm being brought back to Gwent. This position is well

:54:49. > :54:53.located, close to centres of population, and the developers have

:54:53. > :55:03.a vision for the area which will be interesting to see through to a

:55:03. > :55:08.completion. Natural resources Wales say that they can see a future for

:55:08. > :55:16.the project but only modifications are made to the plans. The

:55:16. > :55:22.application will be considered later this month. Peter, I know that in

:55:22. > :55:29.your own area there are plans for a Swansea lagoon. Environmentalists

:55:29. > :55:35.are not quite so keen but developers are. These ongoing battles between

:55:35. > :55:42.the environment and economy, how important is it, in a country where

:55:42. > :55:52.we need more jobs? Is there a trace to pay? It is a difficult balance to

:55:52. > :55:56.

:55:56. > :56:00.strike. But you have to strike that balance. You have to balance the

:56:00. > :56:08.impact on the environment and landscape, against the benefit in

:56:08. > :56:15.terms of reducing carbon monoxide and dioxide. I was looking at old

:56:15. > :56:19.photographs of the Swansea Valley, which is now the liberty stadium.

:56:19. > :56:25.You look at the concentration of factories, the things that they were

:56:25. > :56:30.spewing out into the air, and imagine about the jobs dependent on

:56:30. > :56:38.that industry. If somebody try to replicate that now, with a promise

:56:39. > :56:48.of jobs, that poses a very difficult questions to politicians. We had a

:56:49. > :56:51.

:56:51. > :56:58.promise of 25 early in pounds worth of investment. -- 25 billion.

:56:58. > :57:03.key thing is to look at this carefully. Many of the things that

:57:03. > :57:13.you can see, late when turbines, they can be dismantled at the end of

:57:13. > :57:14.

:57:14. > :57:22.their life. -- like when turbines. Then there is the ozone layer,

:57:22. > :57:27.pollution, Rovers, land, not obvious to the eye when you start off. So we

:57:27. > :57:37.need to be cheerful about that. There is a balance to be struck. --

:57:37. > :57:39.

:57:39. > :57:45.cheerful. -- careful. Nobody would ever live up there if it was not for

:57:45. > :57:55.the cold mains. But at the end of the day, manufacturing can up sticks

:57:55. > :58:02.

:58:02. > :58:08.and go off to other countries. was a sense, common in all areas,

:58:08. > :58:16.the lady from the business forum, commenting, it shows that somebody

:58:17. > :58:21.is interested in the area. Absolutely. I would love that in my

:58:21. > :58:29.constituency but I have been told that it is too far away. I wish them

:58:29. > :58:35.every success. There will be spin-offs. Some of the technologies

:58:35. > :58:43.developed in the racing world are actually being translated into more

:58:43. > :58:50.efficient cars for all of us. So there are spin-offs. I know that the

:58:50. > :59:00.universities nearby are interested in the tape of work. Time for a look

:59:00. > :59:00.

:59:00. > :59:04.at the political stories of the week, and 60 seconds. The first

:59:04. > :59:12.minister publicly rebuked a cabinet member over a campaign to protect

:59:12. > :59:22.services at a hospital. All references to the Labour Party had

:59:22. > :59:23.

:59:23. > :59:33.been removed from your website protesting plans for A&E there. -- a

:59:33. > :59:35.

:59:35. > :59:40.website. Nick Smith raised concerns about payday loans after figures

:59:40. > :59:47.showed people were borrowing more than 100 thousand pounds pay a month

:59:47. > :59:57.from a single provider. He worried about spiralling off high interest

:59:57. > :59:57.

:59:57. > :00:07.loans. And uncertainty over scientific evidence and calls for

:00:07. > :00:15.

:00:15. > :00:21.more research into the Polynesian IDs. -- pollination by bees.

:00:21. > :00:31.model their is a very important debate about Keller robots. --

:00:31. > :00:34.

:00:35. > :00:40.killer. We need to sign up for international talks. We are moving

:00:40. > :00:48.one generation on from a drone. Autonomous robotics that can make

:00:48. > :00:54.decisions themselves to kill. That is one step further. And I think it

:00:54. > :00:59.is extremely frightening technology. We know that it is being developed

:00:59. > :01:06.and there is lots of secrecy about it. We need to get international

:01:06. > :01:13.agreement. For example, blinding lasers were banned before the ever

:01:13. > :01:19.came into use. That is what we need to be looking at. You are calling

:01:19. > :01:24.for a moratorium? The American government has already introduced a

:01:24. > :01:31.moratorium. The United Kingdom must work with other countries to achieve

:01:31. > :01:38.a worldwide ban. It is quite frightening. It is like the

:01:38. > :01:44.terminator movies come to life. I do not want that sort of world. The UK

:01:44. > :01:53.government should sign up to an international agreement. Tell us

:01:53. > :01:57.about your Private members Bill. There are 92 mobile home sites in

:01:57. > :02:02.Wales and quite a lot of abuses that go on in terms of people blocking

:02:02. > :02:10.sales and intimidation of residence. We are introducing a new licensing

:02:10. > :02:16.scheme. Hopefully when it becomes law later in the year we will have

:02:16. > :02:26.it properly resourced licensing regime. Most importantly, the people

:02:26. > :02:27.

:02:27. > :02:34.managing those sites will have two pass a fit and proper person test.

:02:34. > :02:44.What are the implications if somebody is not? There can be quite

:02:44. > :02:47.

:02:47. > :02:50.substantial fines. -- if somebody does not. We must guarantee proper

:02:50. > :02:57.enforcement and resources for local authorities and impose substantial