:01:12. > :01:15.racing track in Gwent could create thousands of jobs, but opponents
:01:15. > :01:25.fear its environmental impact. What should the balance be between the
:01:25. > :01:25.
:01:25. > :40:24.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2339 seconds
:40:24. > :40:30.Government tell us that they are braced for a tough deal with the
:40:30. > :40:35.latest round of Treasury cuts. And opposition to a motor racing track
:40:35. > :40:39.cash what should the balance be between the economy and environment?
:40:39. > :40:44.I am joined by representatives from both Labour and the Liberal
:40:44. > :40:51.Democrats. We will move onto those stories but beforehand the ongoing
:40:51. > :41:00.row about police commissioners in Gwent. Questions needing to be
:41:00. > :41:09.answered about the author retirement of Carmel Napier by the police
:41:09. > :41:14.commissioner. There is a precedent. Yes. Boris Johnson did so in London.
:41:14. > :41:21.Regards what has happened in Gwent, there are two issues. Scrutinising
:41:21. > :41:27.what Ian Johnson has done, and the powers that he has. He had those
:41:27. > :41:35.powers to appoint and dismiss chief constables. He is within his right
:41:35. > :41:39.to use them. But that does not excuse them from scrutiny. But he
:41:39. > :41:49.has those powers and is able to use them the same way Boris Johnson
:41:49. > :41:56.that. I suspect you take a different view. In the Labour Party we had a
:41:56. > :42:02.vetting procedure for candidates. The question is, what sort of
:42:02. > :42:09.Maverick have we got in post? What controls have we got over what they
:42:09. > :42:14.can do and what are the consequences of decisions they make take? Do you
:42:14. > :42:17.think that those questions still need to be addressed? I think they
:42:17. > :42:22.need to be scrutinised very carefully and will be interesting to
:42:22. > :42:28.see the reaction of the panel, which has some say, but is very different
:42:28. > :42:34.from the old lease authority. sure we will discuss it again. The
:42:34. > :42:40.Welsh Government are braced for a tough deal in the latest round of
:42:40. > :42:47.Treasury cuts. The Finance Minister is expecting choppier waters and has
:42:47. > :42:54.given departments targets to reduce spending and save money. Battening
:42:54. > :43:02.down the hatches. The cold wind of austerity. Just as the baby boomers
:43:02. > :43:08.retire. A perfect storm heading our way. We are told that Wales is not
:43:08. > :43:14.in great shape. This report looks at other small countries to see what we
:43:14. > :43:24.can learn. Wales had the highest level of expending and the lowest
:43:24. > :43:29.
:43:29. > :43:35.GDP. -- public spending. This is both an opportunity and a threat. It
:43:35. > :43:39.is difficult in a time of austerity to look at public sector reform. But
:43:39. > :43:49.many countries we investigated seat as an opportunity for a conversation
:43:49. > :43:54.about what public services will be needed for the next three decades.
:43:54. > :43:59.Later this month the Chancellor will unveil the spending review. The
:43:59. > :44:06.Welsh Government believed the budget will shrink and 20% in real terms
:44:06. > :44:12.over the course of the next ten years. Enough is enough. Further
:44:12. > :44:15.cuts will be devastating for Wales. The people here did not cause the
:44:15. > :44:23.situation we face but we are being asked to carry an unacceptable
:44:23. > :44:26.burden. The Finance Minister has asked for planning about how much of
:44:26. > :44:36.how little can be spent and the nightly meetings are being held. The
:44:36. > :44:38.
:44:38. > :44:48.next budget will be placed in the autumn. -- fortnightly meetings.
:44:48. > :44:50.
:44:50. > :45:00.are managing a very robust financial situation but we need to find cuts
:45:00. > :45:10.next year which rise to 18 million. You can see, here or on year the
:45:10. > :45:17.
:45:17. > :45:19.race lane has been cut. -- yield or an easier, the baseline.
:45:19. > :45:25.Conservative opposition say that funding and the health service
:45:25. > :45:33.should continue to rise in line with inflation. But that means cuts
:45:33. > :45:36.elsewhere. It is because of the financial mismanagement of the
:45:36. > :45:42.previous Labour government and the Welsh Government will have to make
:45:42. > :45:48.tough decisions. Politics is all about choices. The Welsh Government
:45:48. > :45:55.has that power to make those choices. Government ministers will
:45:55. > :46:05.have to trim the ambitions of departments. Even before the here
:46:05. > :46:07.
:46:07. > :46:14.the spending review announced by the Chancellor in June. -- Vesey. --
:46:14. > :46:23.they hear. Everyone has to make cuts. While the Welsh Government
:46:23. > :46:32.complaining? It is because of the banking crisis. Not according to
:46:32. > :46:35.Paul Davies. That is why it is important to get that straight.
:46:35. > :46:43.George Osborne as changing the goalposts every month. That is
:46:43. > :46:48.unhelpful. The real difficulty is that many of the services that the
:46:48. > :46:58.Welsh Government provide are the very things that people value so
:46:58. > :47:02.
:47:02. > :47:06.much. The Finance Minister bracing for choppy waters. She says they
:47:06. > :47:13.must identify savings. Is that not something they should be doing
:47:13. > :47:22.anyway? Let's not pretend this would have been any different under
:47:22. > :47:25.another government. If you look at the last budget and the projected
:47:25. > :47:33.cuts of Alistair Darling, it is roughly the same as the coalition
:47:33. > :47:41.now. And Ed Balls said he will stick to coalition spending plans. In
:47:41. > :47:49.terms of the money, it really depends on where the UK government
:47:49. > :47:58.make the cuts. Some departments are devolved. Others are not. If the cut
:47:58. > :48:08.in northern devolved departments, we are slightly better off. --
:48:08. > :48:09.
:48:10. > :48:19.non-devolved. Why are we being braced for cuts then? She is doing
:48:20. > :48:21.
:48:21. > :48:27.her job. Scaremongering?At the end of the day, what happens in the
:48:27. > :48:31.spending review is not about chopping and changing. The review
:48:31. > :48:39.was scheduled anyway. How it impacts on the Welsh Government will be debt
:48:39. > :48:48.the Colts to predict. -- difficult. As a Labour backbencher, are you
:48:48. > :48:54.happy to see Ed Balls lead economic policy and the House of commons?
:48:54. > :48:59.IMF have endorsed what he said three years ago. If you look at what the
:48:59. > :49:05.Welsh Government are attempting to do, infrastructure, housing, that
:49:05. > :49:15.creates jobs and homes. That is the type of thing we need to be doing. I
:49:15. > :49:18.
:49:18. > :49:22.want to see more of it. Why David Jones as delaying, I do not know.
:49:22. > :49:27.David Jones has said in an interview to be heard later this evening that
:49:27. > :49:37.he has been in discussions with the Treasury. He claims he has reached a
:49:37. > :49:44.deal on cuts to the Welsh budget. He said he had to do so because of the
:49:44. > :49:51.mess left by the government. That mantra is not going away. They are
:49:51. > :49:56.trying to hide behind it. The public fully understand that the yanks
:49:56. > :50:04.caused this. And they understand that they need to make money before
:50:04. > :50:14.pay at back. -- that the banks caused this. Does George Osborne
:50:14. > :50:15.
:50:15. > :50:25.finally need to ditch plan A? modified his plan. He has extended
:50:25. > :50:27.
:50:27. > :50:33.the date by which point cuts must happen. That was inevitable.So it
:50:33. > :50:39.is not because he has failed to get control of it? Adjustments are being
:50:39. > :50:46.made to compensate for how the economy is going. Let's not pretend
:50:46. > :50:51.this is only about the banks. Yes, they collapsed. But the fact that
:50:51. > :50:54.there will no controls on then caused the problem. Not every
:50:54. > :51:02.country had the problem because some of them kept an eye on what their
:51:02. > :51:11.banks were doing. We now must make sure that what we do as sensible,
:51:11. > :51:16.proper, and gets the economy back on track. A final response? It is clear
:51:16. > :51:22.that the banking crisis began in the USA. We must be happy that we do not
:51:22. > :51:30.get in the same situation again. -- the tearful. The important thing
:51:30. > :51:39.right now is to get growth and investment going. That is why the
:51:39. > :51:45.coalition are legislating on the banks. What a �215 million trace
:51:45. > :51:55.tyke, developers say that they suck it of Wales project will bring world
:51:55. > :51:58.
:51:58. > :52:01.class motor racing to Gwent. -- �250 million price tag. It may take some
:52:01. > :52:11.imagination but the developers claim that this place will be transformed
:52:11. > :52:11.
:52:11. > :52:18.into the Circuit of Wales. High class and businesses working in the
:52:18. > :52:28.motor sport sector. Cycles like this one tailing round the track,
:52:28. > :52:32.
:52:32. > :52:38.competing for world Championships. -- tiering. -- tearing. But others
:52:38. > :52:48.want to put the brakes on the project. Natural resources wheels
:52:48. > :53:04.
:53:04. > :53:08.with -- natural resources Wales consequences on the environment.
:53:08. > :53:18.do not oppose this because we are against development, but we are
:53:18. > :53:26.standing up for when. It is our charitable objective. -- wildly. --
:53:26. > :53:31.wildlife. I would question the figures of the proposal. They seem
:53:31. > :53:35.optimistic, which is an understatement. There must be other
:53:35. > :53:45.ways to create jobs in Gwent that do not have a catastrophic effect on
:53:45. > :53:49.green space. The developers declined to comment on opposition. There is
:53:49. > :53:55.no doubt that jobs are needed in this area which has a high
:53:55. > :53:58.unemployment rate and low wages for those lucky enough to be in work. No
:53:58. > :54:08.surprise that millions of pounds of investment and the jobs are welcomed
:54:08. > :54:09.
:54:09. > :54:17.by many here. 6500 jobs once it is there, let alone the creation of
:54:17. > :54:21.jobs for the wider area. The excitement, and the fact that people
:54:22. > :54:28.believe that Gwent is worth something again, that is something
:54:28. > :54:33.to be enthusiastic about. In our business meetings there has not been
:54:34. > :54:42.one trader who is not excited about the prospect, the foot fall,
:54:42. > :54:49.enthusiasm being brought back to Gwent. This position is well
:54:49. > :54:53.located, close to centres of population, and the developers have
:54:53. > :55:03.a vision for the area which will be interesting to see through to a
:55:03. > :55:08.completion. Natural resources Wales say that they can see a future for
:55:08. > :55:16.the project but only modifications are made to the plans. The
:55:16. > :55:22.application will be considered later this month. Peter, I know that in
:55:22. > :55:29.your own area there are plans for a Swansea lagoon. Environmentalists
:55:29. > :55:35.are not quite so keen but developers are. These ongoing battles between
:55:35. > :55:42.the environment and economy, how important is it, in a country where
:55:42. > :55:52.we need more jobs? Is there a trace to pay? It is a difficult balance to
:55:52. > :55:56.
:55:56. > :56:00.strike. But you have to strike that balance. You have to balance the
:56:00. > :56:08.impact on the environment and landscape, against the benefit in
:56:08. > :56:15.terms of reducing carbon monoxide and dioxide. I was looking at old
:56:15. > :56:19.photographs of the Swansea Valley, which is now the liberty stadium.
:56:19. > :56:25.You look at the concentration of factories, the things that they were
:56:25. > :56:30.spewing out into the air, and imagine about the jobs dependent on
:56:30. > :56:38.that industry. If somebody try to replicate that now, with a promise
:56:39. > :56:48.of jobs, that poses a very difficult questions to politicians. We had a
:56:49. > :56:51.
:56:51. > :56:58.promise of 25 early in pounds worth of investment. -- 25 billion.
:56:58. > :57:03.key thing is to look at this carefully. Many of the things that
:57:03. > :57:13.you can see, late when turbines, they can be dismantled at the end of
:57:13. > :57:14.
:57:14. > :57:22.their life. -- like when turbines. Then there is the ozone layer,
:57:22. > :57:27.pollution, Rovers, land, not obvious to the eye when you start off. So we
:57:27. > :57:37.need to be cheerful about that. There is a balance to be struck. --
:57:37. > :57:39.
:57:39. > :57:45.cheerful. -- careful. Nobody would ever live up there if it was not for
:57:45. > :57:55.the cold mains. But at the end of the day, manufacturing can up sticks
:57:55. > :58:02.
:58:02. > :58:08.and go off to other countries. was a sense, common in all areas,
:58:08. > :58:16.the lady from the business forum, commenting, it shows that somebody
:58:17. > :58:21.is interested in the area. Absolutely. I would love that in my
:58:21. > :58:29.constituency but I have been told that it is too far away. I wish them
:58:29. > :58:35.every success. There will be spin-offs. Some of the technologies
:58:35. > :58:43.developed in the racing world are actually being translated into more
:58:43. > :58:50.efficient cars for all of us. So there are spin-offs. I know that the
:58:50. > :59:00.universities nearby are interested in the tape of work. Time for a look
:59:00. > :59:00.
:59:00. > :59:04.at the political stories of the week, and 60 seconds. The first
:59:04. > :59:12.minister publicly rebuked a cabinet member over a campaign to protect
:59:12. > :59:22.services at a hospital. All references to the Labour Party had
:59:22. > :59:23.
:59:23. > :59:33.been removed from your website protesting plans for A&E there. -- a
:59:33. > :59:35.
:59:35. > :59:40.website. Nick Smith raised concerns about payday loans after figures
:59:40. > :59:47.showed people were borrowing more than 100 thousand pounds pay a month
:59:47. > :59:57.from a single provider. He worried about spiralling off high interest
:59:57. > :59:57.
:59:57. > :00:07.loans. And uncertainty over scientific evidence and calls for
:00:07. > :00:15.
:00:15. > :00:21.more research into the Polynesian IDs. -- pollination by bees.
:00:21. > :00:31.model their is a very important debate about Keller robots. --
:00:31. > :00:34.
:00:35. > :00:40.killer. We need to sign up for international talks. We are moving
:00:40. > :00:48.one generation on from a drone. Autonomous robotics that can make
:00:48. > :00:54.decisions themselves to kill. That is one step further. And I think it
:00:54. > :00:59.is extremely frightening technology. We know that it is being developed
:00:59. > :01:06.and there is lots of secrecy about it. We need to get international
:01:06. > :01:13.agreement. For example, blinding lasers were banned before the ever
:01:13. > :01:19.came into use. That is what we need to be looking at. You are calling
:01:19. > :01:24.for a moratorium? The American government has already introduced a
:01:24. > :01:31.moratorium. The United Kingdom must work with other countries to achieve
:01:31. > :01:38.a worldwide ban. It is quite frightening. It is like the
:01:38. > :01:44.terminator movies come to life. I do not want that sort of world. The UK
:01:44. > :01:53.government should sign up to an international agreement. Tell us
:01:53. > :01:57.about your Private members Bill. There are 92 mobile home sites in
:01:57. > :02:02.Wales and quite a lot of abuses that go on in terms of people blocking
:02:02. > :02:10.sales and intimidation of residence. We are introducing a new licensing
:02:10. > :02:16.scheme. Hopefully when it becomes law later in the year we will have
:02:16. > :02:26.it properly resourced licensing regime. Most importantly, the people
:02:26. > :02:27.
:02:27. > :02:34.managing those sites will have two pass a fit and proper person test.
:02:34. > :02:44.What are the implications if somebody is not? There can be quite
:02:44. > :02:47.
:02:47. > :02:50.substantial fines. -- if somebody does not. We must guarantee proper
:02:50. > :02:57.enforcement and resources for local authorities and impose substantial