06/10/2013

:00:38. > :00:44.Morning, folks, welcome to the Sunday Politics. And in-out EU

:00:44. > :00:44.referendum before the general election?

:00:45. > :00:46.referendum before the general election? We talk to the Tory rebel

:00:46. > :00:46.referendum before the general election? We talk to the Tory rebel

:00:46. > :00:47.demanding one next election? We talk to the Tory rebel

:00:47. > :00:48.demanding one next year, that election? We talk to the Tory rebel

:00:48. > :00:48.demanding one next year, that is our top

:00:48. > :00:51.demanding one next year, that is our top story. As government ministers

:00:51. > :00:53.prepare to decide top story. As government ministers

:00:53. > :00:53.prepare to decide how the press should be

:00:53. > :00:54.prepare to decide how the press should be regulated, what

:00:54. > :00:54.prepare to decide how the press should be regulated, what will be

:00:54. > :00:56.the impact of this week's row should be regulated, what will be

:00:56. > :00:57.the impact of this week's row should be regulated, what will be

:00:57. > :00:57.between the Daily Mail should be regulated, what will be

:00:58. > :01:04.between the Daily Mail and Ed Miliband?

:01:04. > :01:04.You are Miliband?

:01:04. > :01:05.You are talking about the Miliband?

:01:05. > :01:05.You are talking about the colour of peoples

:01:05. > :01:12.Later in the programme... A leading peoples faces?!

:01:12. > :01:15.Later in the programme... A leading executive at the newspaper group

:01:15. > :01:18.which was at the heart of the hacking scandal tells us that the

:01:18. > :01:59.industry must be given one more chance to police itself.

:01:59. > :02:03.He will try to force a vote in the Commons to hold the

:02:03. > :02:04.He will try to force a vote in the Commons to hold the poll next

:02:04. > :02:06.October. Commons to hold the poll next

:02:06. > :02:06.October. Home Secretary Theresa May was

:02:06. > :02:07.October. Home Secretary Theresa May was asked about his

:02:07. > :02:08.October. Home Secretary Theresa May was asked about his plans on the

:02:08. > :02:08.October. Home Secretary Theresa May was asked about his plans on the BBC

:02:08. > :02:08.earlier this morning. was asked about his plans on the BBC

:02:08. > :02:10.earlier this morning. I think he was asked about his plans on the BBC

:02:10. > :02:11.earlier this morning. I think he has was asked about his plans on the BBC

:02:11. > :02:11.got it earlier this morning. I think he has

:02:11. > :02:11.got it wrong, I earlier this morning. I think he has

:02:11. > :02:12.got it wrong, I think what we need earlier this morning. I think he has

:02:12. > :02:17.got it wrong, I think what we need earlier this morning. I think he has

:02:17. > :02:18.to do is to negotiate earlier this morning. I think he has

:02:18. > :02:18.to do is to negotiate the settlement earlier this morning. I think he has

:02:18. > :02:19.to do is to negotiate the earlier this morning. I think he has

:02:19. > :02:19.with the European earlier this morning. I think he has

:02:19. > :02:19.with the European Union and earlier this morning. I think he has

:02:19. > :02:20.with the European Union and then put with the European Union and then put

:02:20. > :02:20.that to with the European Union and then put

:02:20. > :02:22.that to the people me with the European Union and then put

:02:22. > :02:23.that to the people me to decide that to the people me to decide

:02:23. > :02:23.whether to be that to the people me to decide

:02:23. > :02:24.whether to be in or out. that to the people me to decide

:02:24. > :02:26.whether to be in or out. Is this that to the people me to decide

:02:26. > :02:27.whether to be in or out. Is this a flea bite or a

:02:27. > :02:28.whether to be in or out. Is this a flea bite or a real threat? I

:02:28. > :02:29.whether to be in or out. Is this a flea bite or a real threat? I think

:02:29. > :02:29.what is flea bite or a real threat? I think

:02:29. > :02:33.what is crucial is that we have, flea bite or a real threat? I think

:02:33. > :02:34.what is crucial is that we have, at the next election, a Conservative

:02:34. > :02:34.what is crucial is that we have, at the next election, a

:02:34. > :02:35.what is crucial is that we have, at Party that will

:02:35. > :02:35.what is crucial is that we have, at Party that will be offering

:02:35. > :02:38.what is crucial is that we have, at Party that will be offering people

:02:38. > :02:39.that renegotiation, a new settlement that renegotiation, a new settlement

:02:39. > :02:41.with Europe, looking to the future that renegotiation, a new settlement

:02:41. > :02:41.with Europe, looking to the future and putting

:02:41. > :02:42.with Europe, looking to the future and putting that to the British

:02:42. > :02:43.with Europe, looking to the future and putting that to the British

:02:43. > :02:43.people in and in and putting that to the British

:02:43. > :02:46.people in and in or out and putting that to the British

:02:46. > :02:48.people in and in or out referendum. And what the amendment possibly

:02:48. > :02:48.could do, And what the amendment possibly

:02:48. > :02:50.could do, as James Wharton, who And what the amendment possibly

:02:50. > :02:50.could do, as James Wharton, who was putting the Referendum

:02:50. > :02:51.could do, as James Wharton, who was putting the Referendum Bill through

:02:51. > :02:52.could do, as James Wharton, who was putting the Referendum Bill through

:02:52. > :02:52.Parliament has putting the Referendum Bill through

:02:52. > :02:53.Parliament has said, is it putting the Referendum Bill through

:02:53. > :02:53.Parliament has said, is it could jeopardise

:02:53. > :02:54.Parliament has said, is it could jeopardise that bill.

:02:54. > :02:56.Parliament has said, is it could jeopardise that bill. Adam Afriyie

:02:57. > :03:00.joins us now from Millbank jeopardise that bill. Adam Afriyie

:03:00. > :03:02.joins us now from Millbank studio. Good morning. If the

:03:02. > :03:02.joins us now from Millbank studio. Good morning. If the referendum

:03:03. > :03:03.would be Good morning. If the referendum

:03:03. > :03:04.would be held next October, Good morning. If the referendum

:03:04. > :03:05.would be held next October, it would have to be an

:03:05. > :03:05.would be held next October, it would have to be an in-out question

:03:05. > :03:06.would be held next October, it would have to be an in-out question based

:03:06. > :03:08.the status quo? There wouldn't be have to be an in-out question based

:03:08. > :03:13.the status quo? There wouldn't be time for a full renegotiation. I

:03:13. > :03:13.disagree. time for a full renegotiation. I

:03:13. > :03:15.disagree. By having a referendum in time for a full renegotiation. I

:03:15. > :03:20.disagree. By having a referendum in 2014, it gives us 12 months to

:03:20. > :03:21.renegotiate, but it kick-started negotiations, because the European

:03:21. > :03:22.Union, if they wish us negotiations, because the European

:03:22. > :03:23.Union, if they wish us to remain negotiations, because the European

:03:23. > :03:23.Union, if they wish us to negotiations, because the European

:03:23. > :03:24.members, would need negotiations, because the European

:03:24. > :03:24.members, would need to accommodate and

:03:24. > :03:26.members, would need to accommodate and make changes so

:03:26. > :03:26.members, would need to accommodate and make changes so that they

:03:26. > :03:27.members, would need to accommodate persuade

:03:27. > :03:27.members, would need to accommodate and make changes so that they would

:03:27. > :03:28.persuade the British public to and make changes so that they would

:03:28. > :03:28.persuade the British public to stay, if that

:03:28. > :03:29.persuade the British public to stay, if that is what they want.

:03:29. > :03:31.persuade the British public to stay, if that is what they want. It

:03:31. > :03:32.strengthens the if that is what they want. It

:03:32. > :03:33.strengthens the Prime Minister's hand, and 12 months

:03:33. > :03:34.strengthens the Prime Minister's hand, and 12 months is ample time

:03:34. > :03:34.strengthens the Prime Minister's hand, and 12 months is ample time

:03:34. > :03:35.for that kind hand, and 12 months is ample time

:03:35. > :03:37.for that kind of hand, and 12 months is ample time

:03:37. > :03:37.for that kind of negotiation. You might think that,

:03:37. > :03:38.for that kind of negotiation. You might think that, but Germany has

:03:38. > :03:40.not even got a government at might think that, but Germany has

:03:40. > :03:40.not even got a government at the moment,

:03:40. > :03:42.not even got a government at the moment, why should they meet our

:03:42. > :03:42.timetable? moment, why should they meet our

:03:42. > :03:42.timetable? This is moment, why should they meet our

:03:42. > :03:44.timetable? This is going to be moment, why should they meet our

:03:44. > :03:45.timetable? This is going to be incredibly, located renegotiation.

:03:45. > :03:46.timetable? This is going to be incredibly, located renegotiation. I

:03:46. > :03:50.timetable? This is going to be think, basically, 80% of people want

:03:50. > :03:51.a referendum. think, basically, 80% of people want

:03:51. > :03:53.a referendum. More than 50% what think, basically, 80% of people want

:03:53. > :03:53.a referendum. More than 50% what a referendum this

:03:53. > :03:54.a referendum. More than 50% what a referendum this side of the

:03:54. > :03:55.election. referendum this side of the

:03:55. > :03:56.election. British businesses need certainty, and we

:03:56. > :03:57.election. British businesses need certainty, and we could carry

:03:57. > :03:57.election. British businesses need certainty, and we could carry on

:03:57. > :03:57.taking certainty, and we could carry on

:03:57. > :03:59.taking a scan down the road for certainty, and we could carry on

:03:59. > :04:00.taking a scan down the road for ever, but I have

:04:00. > :04:00.taking a scan down the road for ever, but I have struggled with

:04:00. > :04:01.taking a scan down the road for ever, but I have struggled with my

:04:01. > :04:02.conscience over this one. ever, but I have struggled with my

:04:02. > :04:03.conscience over this one. I do not want to cause

:04:03. > :04:05.conscience over this one. I do not want to cause trouble, but it is

:04:05. > :04:07.essential that Parliament and want to cause trouble, but it is

:04:07. > :04:07.essential that Parliament and MPs have the opportunity to

:04:07. > :04:08.essential that Parliament and MPs have the opportunity to search their

:04:08. > :04:08.souls and have the opportunity to search their

:04:08. > :04:09.souls and give people have the opportunity to search their

:04:09. > :04:10.souls and give people a referendum this side of the election.

:04:10. > :04:13.souls and give people a referendum this side of the election. That

:04:13. > :04:13.would also bring certainty and clarity

:04:13. > :04:13.would also bring certainty and clarity for the

:04:13. > :04:14.would also bring certainty and clarity for the future, and

:04:14. > :04:14.would also bring certainty and clarity for the future, and like I

:04:14. > :04:14.said, clarity for the future, and like I

:04:14. > :04:18.said, it strengthens the Prime clarity for the future, and like I

:04:18. > :04:20.said, it strengthens the Prime Minister's hand if it is

:04:20. > :04:20.said, it strengthens the Prime Minister's hand if it is successful.

:04:20. > :04:21.You right in Minister's hand if it is successful.

:04:21. > :04:21.You right in the Mail Minister's hand if it is successful.

:04:21. > :04:22.You right in the Mail on Sunday Minister's hand if it is successful.

:04:22. > :04:23.You right in the Mail on Sunday that the people are not

:04:23. > :04:24.You right in the Mail on Sunday that the people are not convinced there

:04:24. > :04:24.even will the people are not convinced there

:04:24. > :04:25.even will be a referendum, the people are not convinced there

:04:25. > :04:25.even will be a referendum, so they the people are not convinced there

:04:25. > :04:25.even will be a referendum, so they the people are not convinced there

:04:26. > :04:28.don't trust even will be a referendum, so they

:04:28. > :04:29.don't trust David Cameron? I think the headline

:04:29. > :04:29.don't trust David Cameron? I think the headline was not the

:04:29. > :04:30.don't trust David Cameron? I think the headline was not the headline I

:04:30. > :04:32.wrote for that piece. What I the headline was not the headline I

:04:32. > :04:34.wrote for that piece. What I am saying is a very calm

:04:34. > :04:35.wrote for that piece. What I am saying is a very calm analysis...

:04:35. > :04:36.You are saying saying is a very calm analysis...

:04:36. > :04:37.You are saying that the British people are not

:04:37. > :04:39.You are saying that the British people are not convinced. Look,

:04:39. > :04:40.there are too people are not convinced. Look,

:04:40. > :04:40.there are too many uncertainties people are not convinced. Look,

:04:40. > :04:40.there are too many people are not convinced. Look,

:04:40. > :04:41.here - there are too many uncertainties

:04:41. > :04:41.here - they may there are too many uncertainties

:04:41. > :04:42.here - they may not be there are too many uncertainties

:04:42. > :04:42.here - they may not be convinced the Conservatives

:04:42. > :04:43.here - they may not be convinced the Conservatives will win

:04:43. > :04:43.here - they may not be convinced the Conservatives will win the election,

:04:43. > :04:44.here - they may not be convinced the Conservatives will win the election,

:04:44. > :04:47.I hope we will, they may not be I hope we will, they may not be

:04:47. > :04:48.convinced the renegotiation I hope we will, they may not be

:04:48. > :04:48.convinced the renegotiation will be good enough,

:04:48. > :04:48.convinced the renegotiation will be good enough, that there

:04:48. > :04:49.convinced the renegotiation will be good enough, that there will be

:04:49. > :04:49.convinced the renegotiation will be good enough, that there will be a

:04:49. > :04:53.referendum. Do you trust David good enough, that there will be a

:04:53. > :04:54.referendum. Do you trust David Cameron to deliver a referendum?

:04:54. > :04:56.That is why we need to Cameron to deliver a referendum?

:04:56. > :04:56.That is why we need to bring the referendum forward,

:04:56. > :04:58.That is why we need to bring the referendum forward, there is time to

:04:59. > :04:59.negotiate, referendum forward, there is time to

:04:59. > :04:59.negotiate, and we tidy referendum forward, there is time to

:04:59. > :05:00.negotiate, and we tidy up the referendum forward, there is time to

:05:00. > :05:00.negotiate, and we tidy up the issue that has

:05:00. > :05:01.negotiate, and we tidy up the issue that has been hanging

:05:01. > :05:02.negotiate, and we tidy up the issue that has been hanging around for too

:05:02. > :05:03.long. Do you that has been hanging around for too

:05:03. > :05:05.long. Do you trust David Cameron to that has been hanging around for too

:05:05. > :05:06.long. Do you trust David Cameron to deliver a referendum in

:05:07. > :05:07.long. Do you trust David Cameron to deliver a referendum in 2017? I

:05:07. > :05:07.completely deliver a referendum in 2017? I

:05:07. > :05:10.completely support the Prime deliver a referendum in 2017? I

:05:10. > :05:11.completely support the Prime Minister, and of course

:05:11. > :05:12.completely support the Prime Minister, and of course I trust the

:05:12. > :05:12.completely support the Prime Minister, and of course I trust the

:05:12. > :05:14.completely support the Prime Prime Minister. To deliver a

:05:14. > :05:15.completely support the Prime Prime Minister. To deliver a

:05:15. > :05:17.referendum? There as Prime Minister. To deliver a

:05:17. > :05:17.referendum? There as only variables in

:05:17. > :05:18.referendum? There as only variables in between. What I am

:05:18. > :05:18.referendum? There as only variables in between. What I am doing with

:05:18. > :05:19.referendum? There as only variables in between. What I am doing with

:05:19. > :05:22.referendum? There as only variables this amendment, is to try to be

:05:22. > :05:22.referendum? There as only variables this amendment, is to try to be sure

:05:22. > :05:24.is that Parliament this amendment, is to try to be sure

:05:24. > :05:24.is that Parliament and every MP has the

:05:24. > :05:25.is that Parliament and every MP has the opportunity decide whether

:05:25. > :05:25.is that Parliament and every MP has the opportunity decide whether they

:05:25. > :05:26.is that Parliament and every MP has the opportunity decide whether

:05:26. > :05:26.is that Parliament and every MP has want to be

:05:26. > :05:28.is that Parliament and every MP has want to be sure of a referendum

:05:28. > :05:29.within this parliament, want to be sure of a referendum

:05:29. > :05:29.within this parliament, or maybe leave it

:05:29. > :05:30.within this parliament, or maybe leave it to the vagaries of

:05:30. > :05:31.within this parliament, or maybe leave it to the vagaries of what may

:05:31. > :05:32.within this parliament, or maybe leave it to the vagaries of what may

:05:32. > :05:32.within this parliament, or maybe happen in 2015.

:05:32. > :05:33.within this parliament, or maybe happen in 2015. Supposing you got

:05:33. > :05:34.within this parliament, or maybe happen in 2015. Supposing you got

:05:34. > :05:34.your way, happen in 2015. Supposing you got

:05:34. > :05:34.your way, how happen in 2015. Supposing you got

:05:34. > :05:38.your way, how would you vote? happen in 2015. Supposing you got

:05:38. > :05:38.your way, how would you vote? Like Michael Gove,

:05:38. > :05:38.your way, how would you vote? Like Michael Gove, I would

:05:38. > :05:38.your way, how would you vote? Like Michael Gove, I would vote

:05:38. > :05:39.your way, how would you vote? Like Michael Gove, I would vote for us to

:05:39. > :05:39.your way, how would you vote? Like Michael Gove, I would vote for us to

:05:39. > :05:40.leave as of today, Michael Gove, I would vote for us to

:05:40. > :05:41.leave as of today, but there will be Michael Gove, I would vote for us to

:05:41. > :05:43.an enormous amount of pressure Michael Gove, I would vote for us to

:05:43. > :05:43.an enormous amount of pressure on European Union

:05:43. > :05:44.an enormous amount of pressure on European Union leaders to come

:05:44. > :05:44.forward with European Union leaders to come

:05:44. > :05:45.forward with proposals. If European Union leaders to come

:05:45. > :05:45.forward with proposals. If they were to

:05:45. > :05:48.forward with proposals. If they were to say, the mandate is not

:05:48. > :05:49.forward with proposals. If they were to say, the mandate is not

:05:49. > :05:49.forward with proposals. If they were closer political

:05:49. > :05:49.to say, the mandate is not ever closer political union, it is

:05:50. > :05:50.to say, the mandate is not ever closer political union, it is ever

:05:50. > :05:55.closer trading closer political union, it is ever

:05:55. > :05:56.closer trading harmony, giving us more border control and control over

:05:56. > :05:56.our more border control and control over

:05:56. > :05:56.our legal system, more border control and control over

:05:56. > :05:57.our legal system, I might more border control and control over

:05:57. > :05:57.our legal system, I might change my more border control and control over

:05:57. > :05:59.our legal system, I might change my mind. But this is

:05:59. > :06:00.our legal system, I might change my mind. But this is what needs to

:06:01. > :06:01.our legal system, I might change my happen - if

:06:01. > :06:01.our legal system, I might change my happen - if we have

:06:01. > :06:03.our legal system, I might change my happen - if we have a referendum in

:06:03. > :06:05.2014, happen - if we have a referendum in

:06:05. > :06:05.2014, 12 months is time for negotiations to be kick-started

:06:05. > :06:06.2014, 12 months is time for negotiations to be kick-started and

:06:06. > :06:06.people to negotiations to be kick-started and

:06:06. > :06:07.people to argue in or out, negotiations to be kick-started and

:06:07. > :06:08.people to argue in or out, and the negotiations to be kick-started and

:06:08. > :06:12.people to argue in or out, and the end result is a stronger Prime

:06:12. > :06:12.Minister. Is it end result is a stronger Prime

:06:12. > :06:14.Minister. Is it true that end result is a stronger Prime

:06:14. > :06:14.Minister. Is it true that you have got about

:06:14. > :06:14.Minister. Is it true that you have got about 80 MPs

:06:14. > :06:17.Minister. Is it true that you have got about 80 MPs supporting this? It

:06:17. > :06:18.is cross-party, that got about 80 MPs supporting this? It

:06:18. > :06:18.is cross-party, that is for got about 80 MPs supporting this? It

:06:18. > :06:19.is cross-party, that is for certain, and I

:06:19. > :06:19.is cross-party, that is for certain, and I think we

:06:19. > :06:20.is cross-party, that is for certain, and I think we will see it

:06:20. > :06:20.on certain, and I think we will see it

:06:20. > :06:21.on hold over certain, and I think we will see it

:06:21. > :06:21.on hold over the next certain, and I think we will see it

:06:21. > :06:21.on hold over the next three or certain, and I think we will see it

:06:21. > :06:22.on hold over the next three or five certain, and I think we will see it

:06:22. > :06:24.weeks. He on hold over the next three or five

:06:24. > :06:25.weeks. He will have to ask each individual

:06:25. > :06:28.weeks. He will have to ask each individual MP. I am asking you, it

:06:28. > :06:30.is individual MP. I am asking you, it

:06:30. > :06:31.is your motion! There will be other motions coming

:06:31. > :06:31.is your motion! There will be other motions coming forward, and

:06:31. > :06:32.is your motion! There will be other motions coming forward, and I know

:06:32. > :06:32.there is motions coming forward, and I know

:06:32. > :06:33.there is widespread support, motions coming forward, and I know

:06:33. > :06:36.there is widespread support, cross-party, for people who want the

:06:36. > :06:36.there is widespread support, cross-party, for people who want the

:06:36. > :06:36.British public to cross-party, for people who want the

:06:36. > :06:38.British public to have a say in cross-party, for people who want the

:06:38. > :06:38.British public to have a say cross-party, for people who want the

:06:38. > :06:39.2014. You know it is cross-party, for people who want the

:06:39. > :06:40.2014. You know it is not going to cross-party, for people who want the

:06:40. > :06:40.get through, 2014. You know it is not going to

:06:40. > :06:41.get through, the whips 2014. You know it is not going to

:06:41. > :06:41.get through, the whips will stop this

:06:41. > :06:45.get through, the whips will stop this from happening. One of the

:06:45. > :06:48.successes, this from happening. One of the

:06:48. > :06:48.successes, apparently, of your party's Manchester conference

:06:48. > :06:49.successes, apparently, of your party's Manchester conference was

:06:49. > :06:49.successes, apparently, of your that you were

:06:49. > :06:50.successes, apparently, of your that you were not divided over

:06:50. > :06:51.Europe anymore, that you were not divided over

:06:51. > :06:51.Europe anymore, the Europe that you were not divided over

:06:52. > :06:52.Europe anymore, the Europe issue was settled.

:06:52. > :06:54.Europe anymore, the Europe issue was settled. Here you

:06:54. > :06:55.Europe anymore, the Europe issue was settled. Here you are bringing it

:06:55. > :06:55.Europe anymore, the Europe issue was settled. Here you are bringing it

:06:55. > :06:55.back to life settled. Here you are bringing it

:06:55. > :06:56.back to life and pouring settled. Here you are bringing it

:06:56. > :06:56.back to life and pouring petrol on settled. Here you are bringing it

:06:56. > :06:59.back to life and pouring petrol on the flames - are you now

:06:59. > :06:59.back to life and pouring petrol on the flames - are you now the

:06:59. > :06:59.back to life and pouring petrol on unlicensed troublemaker

:06:59. > :07:00.the flames - are you now the unlicensed troublemaker of the

:07:00. > :07:03.Tories? The only struggle I have had unlicensed troublemaker of the

:07:03. > :07:03.is not Tories? The only struggle I have had

:07:04. > :07:04.is not a fight Tories? The only struggle I have had

:07:04. > :07:04.is not a fight with my Tories? The only struggle I have had

:07:04. > :07:05.is not a fight with my party but Tories? The only struggle I have had

:07:05. > :07:05.is not a fight with my party but Tories? The only struggle I have had

:07:05. > :07:07.with my conscience as to Tories? The only struggle I have had

:07:07. > :07:07.with my conscience as to whether or not

:07:07. > :07:07.with my conscience as to whether or not I would

:07:07. > :07:08.with my conscience as to whether or not I would give Parliament and

:07:08. > :07:09.with my conscience as to whether or not I would give Parliament and the

:07:09. > :07:10.British people an opportunity to not I would give Parliament and the

:07:10. > :07:11.British people an opportunity to have a say in

:07:11. > :07:12.British people an opportunity to have a say in 2014. I wrestled with

:07:12. > :07:13.it, have a say in 2014. I wrestled with

:07:13. > :07:13.it, and I have a say in 2014. I wrestled with

:07:13. > :07:14.it, and I decided I have a say in 2014. I wrestled with

:07:14. > :07:16.it, and I decided I wanted people to have a say in 2014. I wrestled with

:07:16. > :07:16.have that opportunity. have a say in 2014. I wrestled with

:07:16. > :07:17.have that opportunity. It is have a say in 2014. I wrestled with

:07:17. > :07:18.have that opportunity. It is for each individual MP to

:07:18. > :07:19.have that opportunity. It is for each individual MP to search their

:07:19. > :07:19.have that opportunity. It is for each individual MP to search their

:07:19. > :07:20.soul, speak to each individual MP to search their

:07:20. > :07:20.soul, speak to constituents and decide

:07:20. > :07:21.soul, speak to constituents and decide whether they want

:07:21. > :07:22.soul, speak to constituents and decide whether they want that. You

:07:22. > :07:22.decided decide whether they want that. You

:07:22. > :07:23.decided it would get decide whether they want that. You

:07:23. > :07:24.decided it would get you in the decide whether they want that. You

:07:24. > :07:28.decided it would get you in the headlines again. Oh, you are so

:07:28. > :07:28.decided it would get you in the headlines again. Oh, you are so

:07:28. > :07:28.cynical, Andrew! headlines again. Oh, you are so

:07:28. > :07:29.cynical, Andrew! I have headlines again. Oh, you are so

:07:29. > :07:29.cynical, Andrew! I have no ambition headlines again. Oh, you are so

:07:29. > :07:33.cynical, Andrew! I have no ambition in that direction, I am not a

:07:33. > :07:33.publicity seeker. in that direction, I am not a

:07:33. > :07:34.publicity seeker. All I in that direction, I am not a

:07:34. > :07:34.publicity seeker. All I seek is for in that direction, I am not a

:07:34. > :07:34.publicity seeker. All I seek is in that direction, I am not a

:07:34. > :07:36.the British publicity seeker. All I seek is for

:07:36. > :07:36.the British people do have this. I would

:07:36. > :07:37.the British people do have this. I would not be able

:07:37. > :07:37.the British people do have this. I would not be able to sleep

:07:37. > :07:37.the British people do have this. I would not be able to sleep at night

:07:37. > :07:38.the British people do have this. I would not be able to sleep at night

:07:38. > :07:38.if I did would not be able to sleep at night

:07:38. > :07:39.if I did not bring forward this would not be able to sleep at night

:07:39. > :07:40.if I did not bring forward this opportunity for Britain to

:07:41. > :07:41.if I did not bring forward this opportunity for Britain to have its

:07:41. > :07:41.if I did not bring forward this opportunity for Britain to have

:07:41. > :07:41.if I did not bring forward this say. We

:07:41. > :07:42.opportunity for Britain to have its say. We have left it

:07:42. > :07:42.opportunity for Britain to have its say. We have left it far too

:07:43. > :07:44.opportunity for Britain to have its say. We have left it far too long.

:07:44. > :07:47.Nobody under the age of 56 has had say. We have left it far too long.

:07:47. > :07:47.Nobody under the age of 56 has had a say.

:07:47. > :07:49.Nobody under the age of 56 has had a say. Thanks for joining us, good

:07:49. > :07:51.luck with this say. Thanks for joining us, good

:07:51. > :07:52.luck with this continuing struggle with your conscience! I

:07:52. > :07:52.luck with this continuing struggle with your conscience! I will move

:07:53. > :07:53.the with your conscience! I will move

:07:53. > :07:53.the seat around and with your conscience! I will move

:07:53. > :07:54.the seat around and addressed the with your conscience! I will move

:07:54. > :07:54.the seat around and addressed with your conscience! I will move

:07:54. > :07:56.panel, what do you make with your conscience! I will move

:07:56. > :07:56.panel, what do you make of it? The party

:07:56. > :07:57.panel, what do you make of it? The party managers must be furious

:07:57. > :07:57.panel, what do you make of it? The party managers must be furious with

:07:58. > :08:01.him. I think what this confirms is party managers must be furious with

:08:01. > :08:02.him. I think what this confirms is that David Cameron is incredibly

:08:02. > :08:02.him. I think what this confirms is that David Cameron is incredibly

:08:02. > :08:06.lucky in his enemies. that David Cameron is incredibly

:08:06. > :08:10.lucky in his enemies. His most prolific critics, Nadine Dorries,

:08:10. > :08:12.Peter Bone, Adam Afriyie, even if prolific critics, Nadine Dorries,

:08:12. > :08:12.Peter Bone, Adam Afriyie, even if you are very

:08:12. > :08:14.Peter Bone, Adam Afriyie, even if you are very anti-Cameron, you will

:08:14. > :08:14.not you are very anti-Cameron, you will

:08:14. > :08:16.not think, man, you are very anti-Cameron, you will

:08:16. > :08:17.not think, man, if only they were in charge of the party! I

:08:17. > :08:20.not think, man, if only they were in charge of the party! I think the

:08:20. > :08:20.party managers are not too alarmed. They do

:08:20. > :08:21.party managers are not too alarmed. They do not take him

:08:21. > :08:24.party managers are not too alarmed. They do not take him seriously? No,

:08:24. > :08:26.it is not a frivolous amendment. They do not take him seriously? No,

:08:26. > :08:26.it is not a frivolous amendment. It is not

:08:26. > :08:27.it is not a frivolous amendment. It is not as if

:08:27. > :08:27.it is not a frivolous amendment. It is not as if the James

:08:27. > :08:28.it is not a frivolous amendment. It is not as if the James Wharton bill

:08:28. > :08:28.is a is not as if the James Wharton bill

:08:28. > :08:28.is a work of is not as if the James Wharton bill

:08:28. > :08:29.is a work of genius, it is not as if the James Wharton bill

:08:29. > :08:29.is a work of genius, it is is not as if the James Wharton bill

:08:29. > :08:29.is a work of genius, it is riddled with

:08:29. > :08:31.is a work of genius, it is riddled with flaws, anomalies and loopholes.

:08:31. > :08:32.is a work of genius, it is riddled with flaws, anomalies and loopholes.

:08:32. > :08:33.It purports to guarantee that with flaws, anomalies and loopholes.

:08:33. > :08:33.It purports to guarantee that a referendum

:08:33. > :08:34.It purports to guarantee that a referendum will take place

:08:34. > :08:34.It purports to guarantee that a referendum will take place in

:08:34. > :08:34.It purports to guarantee that a referendum will take place in the

:08:34. > :08:37.next Parliament. referendum will take place in the

:08:37. > :08:37.next Parliament. My understanding of the

:08:37. > :08:38.next Parliament. My understanding of the constitution is that

:08:38. > :08:39.next Parliament. My understanding of the constitution is that is

:08:39. > :08:40.theoretically impossible the constitution is that is

:08:40. > :08:40.theoretically impossible and that all

:08:40. > :08:41.theoretically impossible and that all the future government would do

:08:41. > :08:41.is all the future government would do

:08:41. > :08:41.is cancel out all the future government would do

:08:41. > :08:43.is cancel out that bill all the future government would do

:08:43. > :08:45.is cancel out that bill with another bill. He does have a point that

:08:45. > :08:45.is cancel out that bill with another bill. He does have a point that

:08:45. > :08:46.is cancel out that bill with another Cameron's plan

:08:46. > :08:46.bill. He does have a point that Cameron's plan for a

:08:46. > :08:46.bill. He does have a point that Cameron's plan for a referendum is

:08:47. > :08:47.nothing Cameron's plan for a referendum is

:08:47. > :08:51.nothing like as likely to happen... Cameron's plan for a referendum is

:08:51. > :08:53.nothing like as likely to happen... Hung parliaments, frivolous

:08:53. > :08:53.amendments can be immensely dangerous.

:08:53. > :08:56.amendments can be immensely dangerous. The problem for David

:08:56. > :08:56.amendments can be immensely dangerous. The problem for David

:08:56. > :08:57.Cameron is twofold. dangerous. The problem for David

:08:57. > :08:57.Cameron is twofold. One, if dangerous. The problem for David

:08:57. > :09:00.Cameron is twofold. One, if Ed dangerous. The problem for David

:09:00. > :09:01.Cameron is twofold. One, if Ed Miliband says he's going to support

:09:01. > :09:04.Cameron is twofold. One, if Ed Miliband says he's going to support

:09:04. > :09:05.Adam Afriyie, it will go through. Unlikely that Ed Miliband

:09:05. > :09:05.Adam Afriyie, it will go through. Unlikely that Ed Miliband would do

:09:05. > :09:06.Adam Afriyie, it will go through. Unlikely that Ed Miliband would do

:09:06. > :09:06.Adam Afriyie, it will go through. that, but what he

:09:06. > :09:08.Adam Afriyie, it will go through. that, but what he might do is say to

:09:08. > :09:09.his MPs, that, but what he might do is say to

:09:09. > :09:11.his MPs, ignore this. It may that, but what he might do is say to

:09:11. > :09:11.his MPs, ignore this. It may well be that

:09:11. > :09:12.his MPs, ignore this. It may well be that the Labour payroll

:09:12. > :09:12.his MPs, ignore this. It may well be that the Labour payroll and a

:09:12. > :09:13.significant number that the Labour payroll and a

:09:13. > :09:14.significant number of Labour MPs do that the Labour payroll and a

:09:14. > :09:14.significant number of Labour MPs do not turn up,

:09:14. > :09:15.significant number of Labour MPs do not turn up, and then what

:09:15. > :09:15.significant number of Labour MPs do not turn up, and then what you have

:09:16. > :09:17.got is a war not turn up, and then what you have

:09:17. > :09:17.got is a war between the Conservative

:09:17. > :09:19.got is a war between the Conservative payroll and

:09:19. > :09:20.got is a war between the Conservative payroll and the

:09:20. > :09:21.Conservative backbenchers, Conservative payroll and the

:09:21. > :09:21.Conservative backbenchers, and in that

:09:21. > :09:21.Conservative backbenchers, and in that war you

:09:21. > :09:22.Conservative backbenchers, and in that war you might well find

:09:22. > :09:25.Conservative backbenchers, and in that war you might well find that

:09:25. > :09:25.Adam Afriyie's amendment goes through,

:09:25. > :09:26.Adam Afriyie's amendment goes through, and then the Prime

:09:26. > :09:27.Adam Afriyie's amendment goes through, and then the Prime Minister

:09:27. > :09:28.has real through, and then the Prime Minister

:09:28. > :09:30.has real trouble, because Adam Afriyie says, the Prime Minister

:09:30. > :09:30.has real trouble, because Adam Afriyie says, the Prime Minister

:09:30. > :09:30.could Afriyie says, the Prime Minister

:09:30. > :09:32.could renegotiate terms of Afriyie says, the Prime Minister

:09:32. > :09:32.could renegotiate terms of membership, up what

:09:32. > :09:33.could renegotiate terms of membership, up what basis and

:09:33. > :09:35.could renegotiate terms of membership, up what basis and with

:09:36. > :09:36.which membership, up what basis and with

:09:36. > :09:38.which mandate? He membership, up what basis and with

:09:38. > :09:38.which mandate? He would not be able to

:09:38. > :09:38.which mandate? He would not be able to get agreement

:09:38. > :09:39.which mandate? He would not be able to get agreement with Nick

:09:39. > :09:39.which mandate? He would not be able to get agreement with Nick Clegg or

:09:39. > :09:39.Ed to get agreement with Nick Clegg or

:09:39. > :09:41.Ed Miliband, so you would be to get agreement with Nick Clegg or

:09:41. > :09:41.Ed Miliband, so you would be looking at

:09:41. > :09:42.Ed Miliband, so you would be looking at Adam Afriyie voting

:09:42. > :09:42.Ed Miliband, so you would be looking at Adam Afriyie voting to leave.

:09:42. > :09:44.Ed Miliband, so you would be looking at Adam Afriyie voting to leave. I

:09:44. > :09:45.think he is a Labour at Adam Afriyie voting to leave. I

:09:45. > :09:47.think he is a Labour mole, that at Adam Afriyie voting to leave. I

:09:47. > :09:49.think he is a Labour mole, that is what I have come to, a Daily

:09:49. > :09:49.think he is a Labour mole, that is what I have come to, a Daily Mail

:09:49. > :09:50.style conspiracy what I have come to, a Daily Mail

:09:50. > :09:51.style conspiracy theory, it could not be more

:09:51. > :09:52.style conspiracy theory, it could not be more perfect. The prospect

:09:52. > :09:53.style conspiracy theory, it could not be more perfect. The prospect of

:09:53. > :09:53.style conspiracy theory, it could a referendum

:09:53. > :09:53.style conspiracy theory, it could a referendum on the

:09:53. > :09:55.style conspiracy theory, it could a referendum on the EU at the same

:09:55. > :09:55.time as a referendum on the EU at the same

:09:55. > :09:56.time as Scottish independence a referendum on the EU at the same

:09:56. > :09:56.time as Scottish independence is what

:09:56. > :09:57.time as Scottish independence is what no-one once, so that is it.

:09:57. > :10:00.time as Scottish independence is what no-one once, so that is it. He

:10:00. > :10:00.has what no-one once, so that is it. He

:10:00. > :10:01.has told us he what no-one once, so that is it. He

:10:01. > :10:02.has told us he could not sleep at what no-one once, so that is it. He

:10:02. > :10:02.has told us he could not sleep at night, wrestling

:10:02. > :10:05.has told us he could not sleep at night, wrestling with his

:10:05. > :10:05.conscience. We could send him some pills,

:10:05. > :10:08.conscience. We could send him some pills, I suppose. We know he's going

:10:09. > :10:09.to pills, I suppose. We know he's going

:10:09. > :10:09.to sack all pills, I suppose. We know he's going

:10:09. > :10:10.to sack all those lieutenants were pills, I suppose. We know he's going

:10:10. > :10:10.to sack all those lieutenants pills, I suppose. We know he's going

:10:10. > :10:10.going around pills, I suppose. We know he's going

:10:10. > :10:11.going around and saying he is the pills, I suppose. We know he's going

:10:12. > :10:13.going around and saying he is the great future and the

:10:13. > :10:13.going around and saying he is the great future and the next leader

:10:13. > :10:14.going around and saying he is the great future and the next leader of

:10:14. > :10:14.going around and saying he is the the Conservative

:10:14. > :10:14.great future and the next leader of the Conservative Party. He

:10:14. > :10:16.great future and the next leader of the Conservative Party. He denied

:10:16. > :10:19.doing that! He would be amazed to the Conservative Party. He denied

:10:19. > :10:19.doing that! He would be amazed to hear you

:10:19. > :10:19.doing that! He would be amazed to hear you say that,

:10:19. > :10:20.doing that! He would be amazed to hear you say that, this is a

:10:20. > :10:22.doing that! He would be amazed to hear you say that, this is a crisis

:10:22. > :10:22.doing that! He would be amazed to of conscience.

:10:22. > :10:24.hear you say that, this is a crisis of conscience. Whispered

:10:24. > :10:26.conversations in corridors, of conscience. Whispered

:10:26. > :10:26.conversations in corridors, quite an operation to get

:10:26. > :10:27.conversations in corridors, quite an operation to get letters into

:10:27. > :10:27.conversations in corridors, quite an operation to get letters into Graham

:10:27. > :10:27.Brady, operation to get letters into Graham

:10:27. > :10:29.Brady, he said operation to get letters into Graham

:10:29. > :10:31.Brady, he said to have letters, not 46, but at the

:10:31. > :10:32.Brady, he said to have letters, not 46, but at the moment this campaign

:10:32. > :10:34.Brady, he said to have letters, not 46, but at the moment this campaign

:10:34. > :10:35.is being run by Lieutenant of Adam Afriyie.

:10:35. > :10:36.is being run by Lieutenant of Adam Afriyie. He has got

:10:36. > :10:38.is being run by Lieutenant of Adam Afriyie. He has got lieutenants?

:10:38. > :10:42.They are disaffected and not Afriyie. He has got lieutenants?

:10:42. > :10:42.They are disaffected and not happy under

:10:42. > :10:43.They are disaffected and not happy under David Cameron's leadership.

:10:43. > :10:44.They are disaffected and not happy under David Cameron's leadership.

:10:44. > :10:45.There is a whole army of under David Cameron's leadership.

:10:45. > :10:48.There is a whole army of them! I am under David Cameron's leadership.

:10:48. > :10:48.There is a whole army of them! I am pleased he

:10:48. > :10:49.There is a whole army of them! I am pleased he has outmanoeuvred the

:10:49. > :10:49.There is a whole army of them! I am pleased he has outmanoeuvred the

:10:49. > :10:52.awkward squad, pleased he has outmanoeuvred the

:10:52. > :10:52.awkward squad, and now James Wharton is

:10:52. > :10:53.awkward squad, and now James Wharton is saying, you're going

:10:53. > :10:53.awkward squad, and now James Wharton is saying, you're going to kill

:10:53. > :10:53.awkward squad, and now James Wharton is saying, you're going to kill my

:10:53. > :10:56.bill. I do not is saying, you're going to kill my

:10:57. > :10:58.bill. I do not think they are is saying, you're going to kill my

:10:58. > :11:00.bill. I do not think they are very competence lieutenants. The main

:11:00. > :11:00.political consequence of this competence lieutenants. The main

:11:00. > :11:01.political consequence of competence lieutenants. The main

:11:01. > :11:01.episode is political consequence of this

:11:01. > :11:04.episode is it will unify a political consequence of this

:11:04. > :11:04.episode is it will unify a large chunk of the Colin Hendry

:11:04. > :11:05.episode is it will unify a large chunk of the Colin Hendry

:11:05. > :11:07.Conservative Party behind chunk of the Colin Hendry

:11:07. > :11:08.Conservative Party behind David Cameron. On what they hope is a

:11:08. > :11:12.Conservative Party behind David Cameron. On what they hope is a

:11:12. > :11:12.settled position. We still hope to be

:11:12. > :11:13.settled position. We still hope to be talking to John

:11:13. > :11:14.settled position. We still hope to be talking to John Prescott, who is

:11:14. > :11:15.in hole, be talking to John Prescott, who is

:11:15. > :11:15.in hole, if you be talking to John Prescott, who is

:11:15. > :11:16.in hole, if you see him, pointing be talking to John Prescott, who is

:11:16. > :11:16.in hole, if you see him, pointing in the

:11:16. > :11:18.in hole, if you see him, pointing in the direction of the BBC studios!

:11:18. > :11:18.in hole, if you see him, pointing in the direction of the BBC studios! Do

:11:18. > :11:19.in hole, if you see him, pointing in the direction of the BBC studios!

:11:19. > :11:19.in hole, if you see him, pointing in you want to

:11:19. > :11:19.in hole, if you see him, pointing in you want to buy a

:11:19. > :11:20.in hole, if you see him, pointing in you want to buy a house? Can you

:11:20. > :11:21.in hole, if you see him, pointing in you want to buy a house? Can you

:11:21. > :11:22.afford the mortgage repayments you want to buy a house? Can you

:11:22. > :11:22.afford the mortgage repayments but not

:11:22. > :11:28.afford the mortgage repayments but not the 20% or 30% deposit the

:11:28. > :11:28.mortgage provider is demanding from you?

:11:28. > :11:30.mortgage provider is demanding from you? The Government says it has a

:11:30. > :11:30.mortgage provider is demanding from you? The Government says it has a

:11:30. > :11:31.scheme designed you? The Government says it has a

:11:32. > :11:32.scheme designed for you which is in launching next

:11:32. > :11:32.scheme designed for you which is in launching next week, help to

:11:32. > :11:33.scheme designed for you which is in launching next week, help to buy,

:11:34. > :11:37.and it should launching next week, help to buy,

:11:37. > :11:38.and it should lead to the re-emergence of 95%

:11:38. > :11:38.and it should lead to the re-emergence of 95% mortgages,

:11:38. > :11:39.remember re-emergence of 95% mortgages,

:11:39. > :11:40.remember them?! But is re-emergence of 95% mortgages,

:11:40. > :11:41.remember them?! But is the policy re-emergence of 95% mortgages,

:11:41. > :11:41.remember them?! But is the policy really good

:11:41. > :11:45.remember them?! But is the policy really good for home-buyers or the

:11:45. > :11:46.British economy? Here is Giles. Never mind who lives in

:11:46. > :11:47.British economy? Here is Giles. Never mind who lives in a house like

:11:47. > :11:47.this, Never mind who lives in a house like

:11:47. > :11:48.this, who can Never mind who lives in a house like

:11:48. > :11:50.this, who can afford to Never mind who lives in a house like

:11:50. > :11:51.this, who can afford to buy a house these days? The Government

:11:51. > :11:51.this, who can afford to buy a house these days? The Government would

:11:51. > :11:52.this, who can afford to buy a house like many

:11:52. > :11:52.this, who can afford to buy a house like many more people to

:11:52. > :11:54.this, who can afford to buy a house like many more people to be able to

:11:54. > :11:55.this, who can afford to buy a house without putting down a crippling

:11:55. > :11:55.amount without putting down a crippling

:11:55. > :11:57.amount of money as a without putting down a crippling

:11:57. > :11:58.amount of money as a deposit, and in the spirit of

:11:58. > :11:59.amount of money as a deposit, and in the spirit of rights to buy, the

:11:59. > :11:59.amount of money as a deposit, and in the spirit of rights to buy, the

:11:59. > :11:59.government has launched help the spirit of rights to buy, the

:11:59. > :12:03.government has launched help to buy, the spirit of rights to buy, the

:12:03. > :12:03.government has launched help to buy, confusingly it is the

:12:03. > :12:04.government has launched help to buy, confusingly it is the name for two

:12:04. > :12:04.government has launched help to buy, confusingly it is the name for two

:12:04. > :12:04.different confusingly it is the name for two

:12:04. > :12:18.different schemes. The first scheme, Help to Buy 1, has

:12:18. > :12:18.been running since April. Help to Buy

:12:18. > :12:18.been running since April. Help to Buy 2 was

:12:18. > :12:19.been running since April. Help to Buy 2 was supposed to come

:12:19. > :12:20.been running since April. Help to Buy 2 was supposed to come in

:12:20. > :12:20.January next Buy 2 was supposed to come in

:12:20. > :12:21.January next year, but the Buy 2 was supposed to come in

:12:21. > :12:22.January next year, but the government are bringing it in early.

:12:22. > :12:23.January next year, but the government are bringing it in early.

:12:24. > :12:25.Let's get in on the inside government are bringing it in early.

:12:25. > :12:25.Let's get in on the inside and take government are bringing it in early.

:12:25. > :12:26.Let's get in on the inside and government are bringing it in early.

:12:26. > :12:26.a good look government are bringing it in early.

:12:26. > :12:27.a good look around at what government are bringing it in early.

:12:27. > :12:28.a good look around at what this scheme actually has to

:12:28. > :12:29.a good look around at what this scheme actually has to offer. And

:12:29. > :12:30.why the Government scheme actually has to offer. And

:12:30. > :12:31.why the Government thinks it scheme actually has to offer. And

:12:31. > :12:33.why the Government thinks it really works. Help to Buy

:12:33. > :12:39.why the Government thinks it really works. Help to Buy 1 was an equity

:12:39. > :12:39.loan scheme. The idea, nice, is that it was

:12:39. > :12:40.loan scheme. The idea, nice, is that it was for new build

:12:40. > :12:40.loan scheme. The idea, nice, is that it was for new build only, up to

:12:40. > :12:41.loan scheme. The idea, nice, is that it was for new build only, up to a

:12:41. > :12:45.value of £600,000. But it is Help it was for new build only, up to a

:12:45. > :12:46.value of £600,000. But it is Help to Buy

:12:46. > :12:46.value of £600,000. But it is Help to Buy 2 that

:12:46. > :12:46.value of £600,000. But it is Help to Buy 2 that everyone is looking

:12:47. > :12:47.value of £600,000. But it is Help to Buy 2 that everyone is looking into

:12:47. > :12:47.right now. Buy 2 that everyone is looking into

:12:47. > :12:50.right now. It is for Buy 2 that everyone is looking into

:12:50. > :12:51.right now. It is for any property Buy 2 that everyone is looking into

:12:51. > :12:51.right now. It is for any property up to a

:12:51. > :12:54.right now. It is for any property up to a value, again, of £600,000. This

:12:54. > :12:58.time to a value, again, of £600,000. This

:12:58. > :13:01.time the Government is guaranteeing that it will take on the first

:13:01. > :13:01.time the Government is guaranteeing losses should the

:13:01. > :13:01.time the Government is guaranteeing losses should the home owner in

:13:01. > :13:02.time the Government is guaranteeing losses should the home owner in the

:13:02. > :13:04.future failed to make their losses should the home owner in the

:13:04. > :13:04.future failed to make their mortgage payments.

:13:04. > :13:05.future failed to make their mortgage payments. Don't worry about

:13:05. > :13:06.future failed to make their mortgage payments. Don't worry about that, if

:13:06. > :13:08.you are a buyer, you payments. Don't worry about that, if

:13:08. > :13:08.you are a buyer, you are going to be concerned

:13:08. > :13:10.you are a buyer, you are going to be concerned about coming up with the

:13:10. > :13:11.you are a buyer, you are going to be concerned about coming up with the

:13:11. > :13:12.5% deposit and concerned about coming up with the

:13:12. > :13:13.5% deposit and 95% mortgages concerned about coming up with the

:13:13. > :13:16.5% deposit and 95% mortgages will be available again in participating

:13:16. > :13:18.5% deposit and 95% mortgages will be available again in participating

:13:18. > :13:19.banks and building societies. And that, the Prime

:13:19. > :13:21.banks and building societies. And that, the Prime Minister thinks, is

:13:21. > :13:21.a housing that, the Prime Minister thinks, is

:13:21. > :13:23.a housing prime mover. You cannot a housing prime mover. You cannot

:13:23. > :13:23.get training to a housing prime mover. You cannot

:13:23. > :13:27.get training to 5% mortgage a housing prime mover. You cannot

:13:27. > :13:27.get training to 5% mortgage anymore, 90% even,

:13:27. > :13:28.get training to 5% mortgage anymore, 90% even, so there are couples

:13:28. > :13:29.get training to 5% mortgage anymore, 90% even, so there are couples in

:13:29. > :13:29.our country who 90% even, so there are couples in

:13:29. > :13:31.our country who have good jobs, 90% even, so there are couples in

:13:31. > :13:31.our country who have good jobs, decent incomes,

:13:31. > :13:32.our country who have good jobs, decent incomes, they could

:13:32. > :13:32.our country who have good jobs, the mortgage

:13:32. > :13:33.decent incomes, they could afford the mortgage payments but they

:13:33. > :13:34.cannot buy the the mortgage payments but they

:13:34. > :13:35.cannot buy the house. It is the mortgage payments but they

:13:35. > :13:38.cannot buy the house. It is a failure in our banking market. So

:13:38. > :13:38.cannot buy the house. It is a that is

:13:38. > :13:39.failure in our banking market. So that is the Prime Minister,

:13:39. > :13:40.Jonathan, but I guess that is the Prime Minister,

:13:40. > :13:42.Jonathan, but I guess for you this that is the Prime Minister,

:13:42. > :13:44.Jonathan, but I guess for you this is not Homes Under The Hammer, but a

:13:45. > :13:45.scheme is not Homes Under The Hammer, but a

:13:45. > :13:45.scheme which should be is not Homes Under The Hammer, but a

:13:45. > :13:46.scheme which should be hammered. The is not Homes Under The Hammer, but a

:13:46. > :13:48.scheme which should be hammered. The main impact of this scheme will

:13:48. > :13:48.scheme which should be hammered. The main impact of this scheme will be

:13:48. > :13:49.to push up prices, main impact of this scheme will be

:13:49. > :13:51.to push up prices, who does that main impact of this scheme will be

:13:51. > :13:52.to push up prices, who does that benefit? Mostly rich and all the

:13:53. > :13:53.people who benefit? Mostly rich and all the

:13:53. > :13:55.people who own their houses. benefit? Mostly rich and all the

:13:55. > :13:57.people who own their houses. Plus the banks, of course, because it is

:13:57. > :14:00.a subsidy for them. the banks, of course, because it is

:14:00. > :14:00.a subsidy for them. Who loses? People who want

:14:00. > :14:01.a subsidy for them. Who loses? People who want to buy

:14:01. > :14:02.a subsidy for them. Who loses? People who want to buy a house in

:14:02. > :14:02.the People who want to buy a house in

:14:02. > :14:02.the future. Moreover, People who want to buy a house in

:14:02. > :14:04.the future. Moreover, it is People who want to buy a house in

:14:04. > :14:04.the future. Moreover, it is a bit odd

:14:04. > :14:05.the future. Moreover, it is a bit odd that the Government says

:14:05. > :14:05.the future. Moreover, it is a bit odd that the Government says it is

:14:05. > :14:09.the future. Moreover, it is a bit odd that the Government says it is

:14:09. > :14:09.not OK to borrow to finance schools or

:14:09. > :14:10.not OK to borrow to finance schools or roads, but it is

:14:10. > :14:11.not OK to borrow to finance schools or roads, but it is fine for the

:14:11. > :14:13.Government to take on more or roads, but it is fine for the

:14:13. > :14:15.Government to take on more debt, effectively, in order to

:14:15. > :14:16.Government to take on more debt, effectively, in order to guarantee

:14:16. > :14:16.95% mortgages effectively, in order to guarantee

:14:16. > :14:17.95% mortgages and pump up effectively, in order to guarantee

:14:17. > :14:17.95% mortgages and pump up the housing market.

:14:17. > :14:23.95% mortgages and pump up the housing market. 2.3 million? I do

:14:23. > :14:23.95% mortgages and pump up the housing market. 2.3 million? I do

:14:23. > :14:23.not think Help housing market. 2.3 million? I do

:14:23. > :14:25.not think Help to Buy covers that. housing market. 2.3 million? I do

:14:25. > :14:27.not think Help to Buy covers that. But enter a would-be

:14:27. > :14:27.not think Help to Buy covers that. But enter a would-be buyer, will

:14:27. > :14:27.they But enter a would-be buyer, will

:14:27. > :14:28.they now be But enter a would-be buyer, will

:14:28. > :14:31.they now be seeing a plethora But enter a would-be buyer, will

:14:32. > :14:32.they now be seeing a plethora of help

:14:32. > :14:32.they now be seeing a plethora of help to buy

:14:32. > :14:34.they now be seeing a plethora of help to buy mortgages? In a

:14:34. > :14:38.they now be seeing a plethora of help to buy mortgages? In a word,

:14:38. > :14:38.no. David Cameron has brought the announcement

:14:38. > :14:39.no. David Cameron has brought the announcement forward by three

:14:39. > :14:39.no. David Cameron has brought the announcement forward by three

:14:39. > :14:40.months, and banks were announcement forward by three

:14:40. > :14:41.months, and banks were not announcement forward by three

:14:41. > :14:42.months, and banks were not ready at that stage. Two banks have

:14:42. > :14:43.months, and banks were not ready at that stage. Two banks have committed

:14:43. > :14:45.to fund the scheme, that stage. Two banks have committed

:14:45. > :14:45.to fund the scheme, the Lloyds group and the

:14:45. > :14:46.to fund the scheme, the Lloyds group and the RBS group,

:14:46. > :14:46.to fund the scheme, the Lloyds group and the RBS group, so lenders like

:14:46. > :14:47.to fund the scheme, the Lloyds group and the RBS group, so lenders like

:14:47. > :14:50.Halifax, RBS and NatWest. and the RBS group, so lenders like

:14:50. > :14:51.Halifax, RBS and NatWest. They will be doing the scheme,

:14:51. > :14:51.Halifax, RBS and NatWest. They will be doing the scheme, but even once

:14:51. > :14:51.Halifax, RBS and NatWest. They will be doing the scheme, but even once

:14:51. > :14:52.the scheme is be doing the scheme, but even once

:14:52. > :14:52.the scheme is up and running be doing the scheme, but even once

:14:52. > :14:53.the scheme is up and running you are be doing the scheme, but even once

:14:53. > :14:53.the scheme is up and running you be doing the scheme, but even once

:14:53. > :14:53.not going the scheme is up and running you are

:14:53. > :14:55.not going to see Help to the scheme is up and running you are

:14:55. > :14:56.not going to see Help to Buy mortgages badged up.

:14:56. > :14:57.not going to see Help to Buy mortgages badged up. You will

:14:57. > :14:58.not going to see Help to Buy mortgages badged up. You will

:14:58. > :14:59.probably find 95% mortgages on mortgages badged up. You will

:14:59. > :15:00.probably find 95% mortgages on the mortgages badged up. You will

:15:00. > :15:00.high street probably find 95% mortgages on the

:15:00. > :15:00.high street because of probably find 95% mortgages on the

:15:00. > :15:01.high street because of the guarantee probably find 95% mortgages on the

:15:01. > :15:08.the government high street because of the guarantee

:15:08. > :15:08.the government is offering. People might say

:15:08. > :15:09.the government is offering. People might say this is how

:15:09. > :15:09.the government is offering. People might say this is how we got

:15:09. > :15:10.the government is offering. People might say this is how we got into a

:15:10. > :15:10.the government is offering. People might say this is how we got into a

:15:10. > :15:10.mess might say this is how we got into a

:15:10. > :15:11.mess in the first might say this is how we got into a

:15:11. > :15:12.mess in the first place. Why would might say this is how we got into a

:15:12. > :15:12.mess in the first place. Why would the government

:15:12. > :15:13.mess in the first place. Why would the government want to

:15:13. > :15:14.mess in the first place. Why would the government want to make those

:15:14. > :15:14.products the government want to make those

:15:14. > :15:19.products available then now? It was the government want to make those

:15:19. > :15:21.more what products available then now? It was

:15:21. > :15:22.more what investment banks were doing in

:15:22. > :15:22.more what investment banks were doing in the background

:15:22. > :15:22.more what investment banks were doing in the background that caused

:15:22. > :15:23.more what investment banks were doing in the background that caused

:15:23. > :15:23.the problems. doing in the background that caused

:15:23. > :15:28.the problems. Mortgages have doing in the background that caused

:15:28. > :15:29.performed extremely well through the depths of the

:15:29. > :15:35.performed extremely well through the depths of the downturn. Is this a

:15:35. > :15:36.game changer? Yes, I have done my best

:15:36. > :15:36.game changer? Yes, I have done my best to save

:15:36. > :15:37.game changer? Yes, I have done my best to save over the last

:15:37. > :15:37.game changer? Yes, I have done my best to save over the last few years

:15:37. > :15:37.game changer? Yes, I have done my best to save over the last few

:15:37. > :15:38.game changer? Yes, I have done my but this has

:15:38. > :15:39.game changer? Yes, I have done my but this has enabled me to make

:15:39. > :15:41.game changer? Yes, I have done my but this has enabled me to make that

:15:41. > :15:41.first but this has enabled me to make that

:15:41. > :15:42.first purchase. How frustrating was but this has enabled me to make that

:15:42. > :15:43.first purchase. How frustrating was it just

:15:43. > :15:47.first purchase. How frustrating was it just renting? Very frustrating,

:15:47. > :15:48.first purchase. How frustrating was it just renting? Very frustrating,

:15:48. > :15:50.you are throwing away it just renting? Very frustrating,

:15:50. > :15:50.you are throwing away money hand over fist, and now

:15:50. > :15:52.you are throwing away money hand over fist, and now I can take that

:15:52. > :15:53.you are throwing away money hand over fist, and now I can take that

:15:53. > :15:55.leap to being an owner. over fist, and now I can take that

:15:56. > :15:56.leap to being an owner. His enthusiasm raises a

:15:56. > :15:57.leap to being an owner. His enthusiasm raises a question back at

:15:57. > :15:57.leap to being an owner. His enthusiasm raises a question back

:15:58. > :16:01.leap to being an owner. His the flat. If you are looking for a

:16:01. > :16:01.95% the flat. If you are looking for a

:16:01. > :16:01.95% mortgage, you the flat. If you are looking for a

:16:01. > :16:02.95% mortgage, you don't really the flat. If you are looking for a

:16:02. > :16:02.95% mortgage, you don't really care what

:16:02. > :16:04.95% mortgage, you don't really care what will happen in

:16:04. > :16:07.95% mortgage, you don't really care what will happen in the wider

:16:07. > :16:07.economy, you are thinking, great, I can

:16:07. > :16:12.economy, you are thinking, great, I can buy a house. Yes, if I was

:16:12. > :16:13.economy, you are thinking, great, I can buy a house. Yes, if I was a

:16:13. > :16:13.house buyer or a can buy a house. Yes, if I was a

:16:13. > :16:14.house buyer or a bank, I can buy a house. Yes, if I was a

:16:14. > :16:15.house buyer or a bank, I would be pleased,

:16:15. > :16:19.house buyer or a bank, I would be pleased, but it will do longer term

:16:19. > :16:21.economic damage. The pleased, but it will do longer term

:16:21. > :16:22.economic damage. The tricky steps the government are

:16:22. > :16:22.economic damage. The tricky steps the government are trying to

:16:22. > :16:23.economic damage. The tricky steps the government are trying to pull

:16:23. > :16:25.off is that home-buyers might be so the government are trying to pull

:16:25. > :16:25.off is that home-buyers might be so grateful for the

:16:26. > :16:27.off is that home-buyers might be so grateful for the opportunity to buy

:16:27. > :16:27.their grateful for the opportunity to buy

:16:27. > :16:27.their own homes grateful for the opportunity to buy

:16:27. > :16:32.their own homes that they reward the grateful for the opportunity to buy

:16:32. > :16:33.their own homes that they reward the Government with the

:16:33. > :16:34.their own homes that they reward the Government with the vote, while at

:16:34. > :16:35.the same time Government with the vote, while at

:16:35. > :16:51.the same time the Government tries to sidestep consequences that such a

:16:51. > :16:51.scheme might create. Now Conservative

:16:51. > :16:52.scheme might create. Now Conservative MP Margot James,

:16:52. > :16:54.and and Allister Heath, editor of City

:16:54. > :16:55.AM, go head to head. and Allister Heath, editor of City

:16:55. > :16:56.AM, go head to head. It is

:16:56. > :16:56.AM, go head to head. It is said by the

:16:56. > :16:57.AM, go head to head. It is said by the critics that this

:16:57. > :16:57.AM, go head to head. It is said by the critics that this

:16:57. > :17:00.scheme will cause a housing It is said by the critics that this

:17:00. > :17:00.scheme will cause a housing bubble. Where

:17:00. > :17:00.scheme will cause a housing bubble. Where is the

:17:00. > :17:04.scheme will cause a housing bubble. Where is the evidence? House prices

:17:04. > :17:04.are Where is the evidence? House prices

:17:04. > :17:16.are more varied. Housing not just in Where is the evidence? House prices

:17:17. > :17:17.are more varied. Housing not just Where is the evidence? House prices

:17:17. > :17:18.London remains overvalued Where is the evidence? House prices

:17:18. > :17:19.London remains overvalued and the problem with this scheme is

:17:19. > :17:20.London remains overvalued and the problem with this scheme is that it

:17:20. > :17:20.will problem with this scheme is that it

:17:20. > :17:22.will pump up house prices, problem with this scheme is that it

:17:22. > :17:23.will pump up house prices, it will not increase the

:17:23. > :17:23.will pump up house prices, it will not increase the supply and

:17:23. > :17:28.therefore not increase the supply and

:17:28. > :17:28.therefore houses will become even more

:17:28. > :17:31.therefore houses will become even more overvalued. That is a dangerous

:17:31. > :17:31.territory, more overvalued. That is a dangerous

:17:31. > :17:33.territory, last time it more overvalued. That is a dangerous

:17:33. > :17:34.territory, last time it ended in tears, and now

:17:34. > :17:34.territory, last time it ended in tears, and now the Government

:17:34. > :17:35.territory, last time it ended in tears, and now the Government is

:17:35. > :17:35.territory, last time it ended in tears, and now the Government is

:17:35. > :17:37.taking on the risk of tears, and now the Government is

:17:37. > :17:38.taking on the risk of that policy. tears, and now the Government is

:17:38. > :17:39.taking on the risk of that policy. What do you

:17:39. > :17:40.taking on the risk of that policy. What do you say to that?

:17:40. > :17:42.taking on the risk of that policy. What do you say to that? We have a

:17:42. > :17:42.real problem, What do you say to that? We have a

:17:42. > :17:44.real problem, it takes people on What do you say to that? We have a

:17:44. > :17:46.real problem, it takes people on average until they are 38

:17:46. > :17:47.real problem, it takes people on average until they are 38 years old

:17:47. > :17:49.until they can buy their average until they are 38 years old

:17:49. > :17:49.until they can buy their own property.

:17:49. > :17:50.until they can buy their own property. The problem is

:17:50. > :17:55.until they can buy their own property. The problem is not that

:17:55. > :17:57.they cannot afford it, but property. The problem is not that

:17:57. > :17:58.they cannot afford it, but they cannot afford the deposit.

:17:58. > :17:59.they cannot afford it, but they cannot afford the deposit. We have

:17:59. > :18:00.got to do something to cannot afford the deposit. We have

:18:00. > :18:01.got to do something to allow people cannot afford the deposit. We have

:18:01. > :18:01.to get got to do something to allow people

:18:01. > :18:03.to get their feet on the property got to do something to allow people

:18:03. > :18:04.to get their feet on the property ladder and I

:18:04. > :18:05.to get their feet on the property ladder and I don't agree it

:18:05. > :18:05.to get their feet on the property ladder and I don't agree it will

:18:05. > :18:05.cause a ladder and I don't agree it will

:18:06. > :18:08.cause a boom in house prices. ladder and I don't agree it will

:18:08. > :18:08.cause a boom in house prices. It would if we

:18:08. > :18:10.cause a boom in house prices. It would if we were not building any

:18:10. > :18:10.new houses, would if we were not building any

:18:10. > :18:13.new houses, but we are. would if we were not building any

:18:13. > :18:15.new houses, but we are. Are you? would if we were not building any

:18:15. > :18:15.new houses, but we are. Are you? We have had

:18:15. > :18:23.new houses, but we are. Are you? We have had a record this year, 12

:18:23. > :18:23.months to have had a record this year, 12

:18:23. > :18:31.months to right now, have had a record this year, 12

:18:31. > :18:32.months to right now, the record for the last ten

:18:32. > :18:34.months to right now, the record for the last ten years. These are not

:18:34. > :18:35.the statistics I have the last ten years. These are not

:18:35. > :18:36.the statistics I have seen, but the the last ten years. These are not

:18:36. > :18:38.the statistics I have seen, but the new supply is coming

:18:38. > :18:39.the statistics I have seen, but the new supply is coming up. It is

:18:39. > :18:41.the statistics I have seen, but the new supply is coming up. It is

:18:41. > :18:41.starting to creep up. new supply is coming up. It is

:18:41. > :18:42.starting to creep up. We don't see new supply is coming up. It is

:18:42. > :18:42.starting to creep up. We don't see enough house

:18:42. > :18:46.starting to creep up. We don't see enough house building, need to

:18:46. > :18:46.starting to creep up. We don't see enough house building, need to build

:18:46. > :18:46.more enough house building, need to build

:18:46. > :18:49.more houses and that enough house building, need to build

:18:49. > :18:49.more houses and that is a solution to

:18:49. > :18:50.more houses and that is a solution to this problem. You are

:18:50. > :18:53.more houses and that is a solution to this problem. You are right,

:18:53. > :18:53.people cannot afford to buy homes and the reason is

:18:53. > :18:54.people cannot afford to buy homes and the reason is there are not

:18:54. > :18:54.enough and the reason is there are not

:18:55. > :18:55.enough good quality and the reason is there are not

:18:55. > :18:56.enough good quality homes in the and the reason is there are not

:18:56. > :18:58.right places. The reason the and the reason is there are not

:18:58. > :19:00.right places. The reason the deposits are so high is because

:19:00. > :19:00.right places. The reason the deposits are so high is because

:19:00. > :19:03.house prices are still too deposits are so high is because

:19:03. > :19:03.house prices are still too high, and secondly the

:19:03. > :19:04.house prices are still too high, and secondly the Government has passed

:19:04. > :19:04.house prices are still too high, and secondly the Government has passed

:19:04. > :19:04.laws to secondly the Government has passed

:19:04. > :19:06.laws to make the banking system more secondly the Government has passed

:19:06. > :19:08.prudent, telling laws to make the banking system more

:19:08. > :19:08.prudent, telling them to put more money

:19:08. > :19:11.prudent, telling them to put more money aside in case things go

:19:11. > :19:11.prudent, telling them to put more money aside in case things go

:19:11. > :19:13.wrong. Now suddenly the Government money aside in case things go

:19:13. > :19:13.wrong. Now suddenly the Government is not

:19:13. > :19:16.wrong. Now suddenly the Government is not happy with the outcome of its

:19:16. > :19:18.own rules and is is not happy with the outcome of its

:19:18. > :19:18.own rules and is trying to create these

:19:18. > :19:19.own rules and is trying to create these subsidies to

:19:19. > :19:20.own rules and is trying to create these subsidies to circumvent the

:19:20. > :19:20.rules these subsidies to circumvent the

:19:20. > :19:24.rules it has put in place. these subsidies to circumvent the

:19:24. > :19:24.rules it has put in place. It is not a

:19:24. > :19:26.rules it has put in place. It is not a subsidy. Don't forget

:19:26. > :19:26.rules it has put in place. It is not a subsidy. Don't forget banks have

:19:26. > :19:27.to pay a a subsidy. Don't forget banks have

:19:27. > :19:29.to pay a charge in order to a subsidy. Don't forget banks have

:19:29. > :19:29.to pay a charge in order to take part in this loan scheme

:19:29. > :19:32.to pay a charge in order to take part in this loan scheme and that

:19:32. > :19:34.the... part in this loan scheme and that

:19:34. > :19:34.the... You are guaranteeing the money.

:19:34. > :19:36.the... You are guaranteeing the money. Yes, but the

:19:36. > :19:39.the... You are guaranteeing the money. Yes, but the fear is worked

:19:39. > :19:42.out on a money. Yes, but the fear is worked

:19:42. > :19:42.out on a commercial basis. The taxpayer is

:19:42. > :19:46.out on a commercial basis. The taxpayer is protected. Why? You are

:19:46. > :19:47.guaranteeing £12 taxpayer is protected. Why? You are

:19:47. > :19:49.guaranteeing £12 billion worth of taxpayer is protected. Why? You are

:19:49. > :19:49.guaranteeing £12 billion worth of mortgages per year. Yes

:19:49. > :19:52.guaranteeing £12 billion worth of mortgages per year. Yes but the

:19:52. > :19:52.change in mortgages per year. Yes but the

:19:52. > :19:55.change in the whole mortgage mortgages per year. Yes but the

:19:55. > :19:55.change in the whole mortgage basis has

:19:55. > :19:57.change in the whole mortgage basis has been made a few years

:19:57. > :19:57.change in the whole mortgage basis has been made a few years ago in

:19:57. > :19:58.change in the whole mortgage basis has been made a few years ago in

:19:58. > :20:00.response of the has been made a few years ago in

:20:00. > :20:00.response of the crash. They made the response of the crash. They made the

:20:00. > :20:01.distressed test on people response of the crash. They made the

:20:01. > :20:02.distressed test on people applying for mortgages

:20:02. > :20:03.distressed test on people applying for mortgages much higher and you

:20:03. > :20:09.have for mortgages much higher and you

:20:09. > :20:12.have to be able to repay at twice... So it will not be like

:20:13. > :20:13.have to be able to repay at these self certification mortgages

:20:13. > :20:13.have to be able to repay at these self certification mortgages

:20:13. > :20:17.handed out in these self certification mortgages

:20:17. > :20:17.handed out in America that caused the sub-prime crisis?

:20:18. > :20:19.handed out in America that caused the sub-prime crisis? Pigment bit

:20:19. > :20:19.handed out in America that caused the sub-prime crisis? Pigment bit

:20:19. > :20:21.like that but the the sub-prime crisis? Pigment bit

:20:21. > :20:21.like that but the banks the sub-prime crisis? Pigment bit

:20:21. > :20:21.like that but the banks are the sub-prime crisis? Pigment bit

:20:21. > :20:21.like that but the banks are rightly the sub-prime crisis? Pigment bit

:20:21. > :20:24.asking for like that but the banks are rightly

:20:24. > :20:25.asking for bigger deposits, they know there is

:20:25. > :20:26.asking for bigger deposits, they know there is a big

:20:26. > :20:26.asking for bigger deposits, they know there is a big chance house

:20:26. > :20:26.prices know there is a big chance house

:20:26. > :20:29.prices could fall if know there is a big chance house

:20:29. > :20:31.prices could fall if interest rates will go up, which they will

:20:31. > :20:33.eventually, so they are will go up, which they will

:20:33. > :20:33.eventually, so they are demanding bigger

:20:34. > :20:34.eventually, so they are demanding bigger deposits. The

:20:34. > :20:36.eventually, so they are demanding bigger deposits. The Government is

:20:36. > :20:37.making bigger deposits. The Government is

:20:37. > :20:38.making sure the risk of circumventing this is

:20:38. > :20:39.making sure the risk of circumventing this is being passed

:20:39. > :20:39.on to the circumventing this is being passed

:20:40. > :20:41.on to the taxpayers which circumventing this is being passed

:20:41. > :20:42.on to the taxpayers which is why it is a dangerous

:20:42. > :20:46.on to the taxpayers which is why it is a dangerous policy. Instead they

:20:46. > :20:47.should be massively accelerating house-building. Which we

:20:47. > :20:50.should be massively accelerating house-building. Which we are.

:20:50. > :20:52.Planning permission is much house-building. Which we are.

:20:52. > :20:53.Planning permission is much easier to get now, we

:20:53. > :20:54.Planning permission is much easier to get now, we have seen a 49%

:20:54. > :20:55.Planning permission is much easier to get now, we have seen a 49%

:20:55. > :20:56.Planning permission is much easier increase in planning permission for

:20:56. > :20:59.a new building over the increase in planning permission for

:20:59. > :20:59.a new building over the last year, a huge increase.

:20:59. > :21:02.a new building over the last year, a huge increase. In the

:21:02. > :21:02.a new building over the last year, a huge increase. In the figures I saw

:21:02. > :21:06.recently, they showed new huge increase. In the figures I saw

:21:06. > :21:06.recently, they showed new start in the

:21:06. > :21:06.recently, they showed new start in the 12 months

:21:06. > :21:06.recently, they showed new start in the 12 months to the

:21:06. > :21:12.recently, they showed new start in the 12 months to the autumn were

:21:12. > :21:14.only about 110,000 which is the figure you inherited, which was at

:21:14. > :21:17.an all-time low in 2010. figure you inherited, which was at

:21:17. > :21:17.an all-time low in 2010. New house figure you inherited, which was at

:21:18. > :21:18.an all-time low in 2010. New house built in the

:21:18. > :21:19.an all-time low in 2010. New house built in the last quarter are third

:21:19. > :21:20.an all-time low in 2010. New house built in the last quarter are

:21:20. > :21:20.an all-time low in 2010. New house up on

:21:20. > :21:22.built in the last quarter are third up on the time last

:21:22. > :21:24.built in the last quarter are third up on the time last year. You have

:21:24. > :21:25.got to give up on the time last year. You have

:21:25. > :21:26.got to give a chance for the relaxation

:21:26. > :21:26.got to give a chance for the relaxation of planning

:21:26. > :21:27.got to give a chance for the relaxation of planning laws and the

:21:27. > :21:27.got to give a chance for the relaxation of planning laws and the

:21:27. > :21:29.other policies the relaxation of planning laws and the

:21:29. > :21:29.other policies the Government put into effect

:21:29. > :21:30.other policies the Government put into effect last year

:21:30. > :21:30.other policies the Government put into effect last year to take

:21:30. > :21:31.other policies the Government put into effect last year to take effect

:21:31. > :21:32.and it is into effect last year to take effect

:21:32. > :21:33.and it is coming through into effect last year to take effect

:21:34. > :21:34.and it is coming through now. I agree,

:21:34. > :21:35.and it is coming through now. I agree, if we

:21:35. > :21:36.and it is coming through now. I agree, if we weren't building more

:21:36. > :21:36.houses, agree, if we weren't building more

:21:36. > :21:38.houses, if the construction agree, if we weren't building more

:21:38. > :21:38.houses, if the construction sector was not

:21:38. > :21:41.houses, if the construction sector was not really ready to take

:21:41. > :21:42.advantage of the increased demand, was not really ready to take

:21:42. > :21:42.advantage of the increased demand, was not really ready to take

:21:42. > :21:43.there would advantage of the increased demand,

:21:43. > :21:45.there would be a advantage of the increased demand,

:21:45. > :21:45.there would be a risk. David Cameron says

:21:45. > :21:45.there would be a risk. David Cameron says you are

:21:45. > :21:48.there would be a risk. David Cameron says you are snob and

:21:48. > :21:49.there would be a risk. David Cameron says you are snob and it is

:21:49. > :21:49.there would be a risk. David Cameron says you are snob and it is only

:21:49. > :21:49.snobs says you are snob and it is only

:21:49. > :21:51.snobs who dislike Help says you are snob and it is only

:21:51. > :21:52.snobs who dislike Help To Buy. says you are snob and it is only

:21:52. > :21:52.snobs who dislike Help To Buy. They don't

:21:52. > :21:56.snobs who dislike Help To Buy. They don't have the bank of

:21:56. > :21:58.snobs who dislike Help To Buy. They don't have the bank of mum and dad,

:21:58. > :21:59.people like that will finally get don't have the bank of mum and dad,

:21:59. > :22:00.people like that will finally get on the housing

:22:00. > :22:04.people like that will finally get on the housing ladder. That is complete

:22:04. > :22:05.nonsense. We the housing ladder. That is complete

:22:05. > :22:05.nonsense. We need a sustainable housing market

:22:05. > :22:06.nonsense. We need a sustainable housing market where there

:22:06. > :22:06.nonsense. We need a sustainable housing market where there is a

:22:06. > :22:10.nonsense. We need a sustainable housing market where there is a

:22:10. > :22:12.large amount of construction, like in the 1930s for example, where

:22:12. > :22:14.large numbers of proper in the 1930s for example, where

:22:14. > :22:14.large numbers of proper family homes were

:22:14. > :22:14.large numbers of proper family homes were being built

:22:14. > :22:19.large numbers of proper family homes were being built for people. House

:22:19. > :22:19.prices were being built for people. House

:22:19. > :22:22.prices were pushed down and people were being built for people. House

:22:22. > :22:23.prices were pushed down and people could afford houses.

:22:23. > :22:25.prices were pushed down and people could afford houses. You are now

:22:25. > :22:25.prices were pushed down and people could afford houses. You are now

:22:25. > :22:25.encouraging people could afford houses. You are now

:22:25. > :22:26.encouraging people to could afford houses. You are now

:22:26. > :22:27.encouraging people to take out could afford houses. You are now

:22:27. > :22:28.encouraging people to take out a 95% could afford houses. You are now

:22:28. > :22:28.encouraging people to take out a 95% mortgage, I

:22:28. > :22:29.encouraging people to take out a 95% mortgage, I thought that was a

:22:29. > :22:29.encouraging people to take out a 95% mortgage, I thought that was a bad

:22:30. > :22:30.idea, mortgage, I thought that was a bad

:22:30. > :22:34.idea, so supposing mortgage, I thought that was a bad

:22:34. > :22:34.idea, so supposing interest rates go up

:22:34. > :22:35.idea, so supposing interest rates go up by a lot,

:22:35. > :22:36.idea, so supposing interest rates go up by a lot, I am

:22:36. > :22:37.idea, so supposing interest rates go up by a lot, I am going to

:22:37. > :22:38.struggle, and supposing up by a lot, I am going to

:22:38. > :22:38.struggle, and supposing house prices up by a lot, I am going to

:22:39. > :22:39.struggle, and supposing house prices fall by

:22:39. > :22:44.struggle, and supposing house prices fall by more than 5%, I am now faced

:22:44. > :22:44.with negative equity and soaring interest rates

:22:44. > :22:45.with negative equity and soaring interest rates that I cannot

:22:45. > :22:49.with negative equity and soaring interest rates that I cannot afford.

:22:49. > :22:51.95% mortgage, interest rates that I cannot afford.

:22:51. > :22:52.95% mortgage, if you can afford the repayments, you

:22:52. > :22:53.95% mortgage, if you can afford the repayments, you will be

:22:53. > :22:58.95% mortgage, if you can afford the repayments, you will be fine. What

:22:58. > :22:58.happens when interest rates rise? They have got

:22:58. > :22:59.happens when interest rates rise? They have got to rise a lot

:22:59. > :23:01.happens when interest rates rise? They have got to rise a lot before

:23:01. > :23:03.you get into They have got to rise a lot before

:23:03. > :23:03.you get into trouble. People are already

:23:03. > :23:04.you get into trouble. People are already affording rent which is

:23:04. > :23:04.you get into trouble. People are already affording rent which is a

:23:04. > :23:09.lot higher than mortgage payments. already affording rent which is a

:23:09. > :23:10.lot higher than mortgage payments. You will not be

:23:10. > :23:10.lot higher than mortgage payments. You will not be able to get

:23:10. > :23:11.lot higher than mortgage payments. You will not be able to get into

:23:11. > :23:15.this scheme unless you You will not be able to get into

:23:15. > :23:16.this scheme unless you can afford this scheme unless you can afford

:23:16. > :23:17.repayments double what this scheme unless you can afford

:23:17. > :23:18.repayments double what they are at the

:23:18. > :23:21.repayments double what they are at the moment. The Conservatives should

:23:21. > :23:21.have been the moment. The Conservatives should

:23:21. > :23:23.have been enjoying the media the moment. The Conservatives should

:23:23. > :23:23.have been enjoying the media limelight last

:23:23. > :23:24.have been enjoying the media limelight last week but there

:23:24. > :23:24.have been enjoying the media limelight last week but there was an

:23:24. > :23:24.have been enjoying the media limelight last week but there was an

:23:24. > :23:28.unwelcome intruder in limelight last week but there was an

:23:28. > :23:29.unwelcome intruder in the shape of limelight last week but there was an

:23:29. > :23:31.unwelcome intruder in the shape of a row between Ed Miliband and the

:23:31. > :23:31.Daily row between Ed Miliband and the

:23:31. > :23:31.Daily Mail. Just over row between Ed Miliband and the

:23:32. > :23:33.Daily Mail. Just over a week ago row between Ed Miliband and the

:23:33. > :23:33.Daily Mail. Just over a week ago the Daily Mail. Just over a week ago the

:23:33. > :23:34.Daily Mail printed an Daily Mail. Just over a week ago the

:23:34. > :23:37.Daily Mail printed an article claiming that Ed

:23:37. > :23:39.Daily Mail printed an article claiming that Ed Miliband's Father

:23:39. > :23:41.Ralph hated claiming that Ed Miliband's Father

:23:41. > :23:45.Ralph hated Britain. They showed a picture of his father's gravestone

:23:45. > :23:45.with the caption, picture of his father's gravestone

:23:45. > :23:48.with the caption, grave socialist. picture of his father's gravestone

:23:48. > :23:49.with the caption, grave socialist. They then removed the photo and

:23:49. > :23:49.with the caption, grave socialist. They then removed the photo and gave

:23:50. > :23:50.Ed They then removed the photo and gave

:23:50. > :23:50.Ed Miliband the They then removed the photo and gave

:23:50. > :23:53.Ed Miliband the right to They then removed the photo and gave

:23:53. > :23:53.Ed Miliband the right to reply on the

:23:53. > :23:56.Ed Miliband the right to reply on the Tuesday edition, but also

:23:56. > :23:57.printed an the Tuesday edition, but also

:23:57. > :23:59.printed an editorial alongside it saying they stood by every word they

:23:59. > :24:00.printed an editorial alongside it saying they stood by every word they

:24:00. > :24:00.published an saying they stood by every word they

:24:00. > :24:00.published an fair headline. saying they stood by every word they

:24:00. > :24:01.published an fair headline. It also saying they stood by every word they

:24:01. > :24:04.published an fair headline. It also emerged in the week that the

:24:04. > :24:04.published an fair headline. It also emerged in the week that the

:24:04. > :24:05.reporter had emerged in the week that the

:24:05. > :24:06.reporter had gate-crashed a private emerged in the week that the

:24:06. > :24:09.reporter had gate-crashed a private memorial service for Ed Miliband's

:24:09. > :24:09.uncle in memorial service for Ed Miliband's

:24:09. > :24:11.uncle in a London memorial service for Ed Miliband's

:24:11. > :24:11.uncle in a London hospital, for which the

:24:11. > :24:13.uncle in a London hospital, for which the paper has now

:24:13. > :24:14.uncle in a London hospital, for which the paper has now apologised,

:24:14. > :24:14.but Ed which the paper has now apologised,

:24:14. > :24:14.but Ed Miliband has which the paper has now apologised,

:24:14. > :24:15.but Ed Miliband has called on the which the paper has now apologised,

:24:15. > :24:15.but Ed Miliband has called on the Daily Mail

:24:15. > :24:17.but Ed Miliband has called on the Daily Mail owner to

:24:17. > :24:18.but Ed Miliband has called on the Daily Mail owner to take a long,

:24:18. > :24:18.but Ed Miliband has called on the Daily Mail owner to take a long,

:24:18. > :24:21.hard look at the way his papers are Daily Mail owner to take a long,

:24:21. > :24:21.hard look at the way his papers are run. This

:24:21. > :24:24.hard look at the way his papers are run. This comes a week before a new

:24:24. > :24:24.system of press run. This comes a week before a new

:24:24. > :24:26.system of press regulation is run. This comes a week before a new

:24:26. > :24:26.considered at system of press regulation is

:24:26. > :24:28.considered at the Privy Council. system of press regulation is

:24:28. > :24:31.considered at the Privy Council. Joining us now from

:24:31. > :24:31.considered at the Privy Council. Joining us now from Hull, John

:24:31. > :24:31.considered at the Privy Council. Joining us now from Hull, John

:24:31. > :24:35.Prescott. Does this Joining us now from Hull, John

:24:35. > :24:35.Prescott. Does this row between Ed Joining us now from Hull, John

:24:35. > :24:36.Prescott. Does this row between Joining us now from Hull, John

:24:36. > :24:37.Miliband and the Daily Joining us now from Hull, John

:24:37. > :24:37.Miliband and the Daily Mail reinforce the

:24:38. > :24:38.Miliband and the Daily Mail reinforce the case for

:24:38. > :24:45.Miliband and the Daily Mail reinforce the case for tough, new

:24:45. > :24:46.regulation of the press? It certainly influences the opinion

:24:46. > :24:46.about certainly influences the opinion

:24:46. > :24:47.about that but certainly influences the opinion

:24:47. > :24:50.about that but that is more certainly influences the opinion

:24:50. > :24:50.about that but that is more of Paul Dacre's doing. Ed Miliband

:24:50. > :24:52.about that but that is more of Paul Dacre's doing. Ed Miliband rang me

:24:52. > :24:52.while I Dacre's doing. Ed Miliband rang me

:24:53. > :24:54.while I was in Strasbourg Dacre's doing. Ed Miliband rang me

:24:54. > :24:58.while I was in Strasbourg making sure my complaints were nothing to

:24:58. > :24:58.do sure my complaints were nothing to

:24:58. > :24:59.do with press regulation sure my complaints were nothing to

:24:59. > :24:59.do with press regulation and he sure my complaints were nothing to

:24:59. > :25:00.do with press regulation and he is sure my complaints were nothing to

:25:00. > :25:04.right. This argument sure my complaints were nothing to

:25:05. > :25:05.right. This argument is not about politicians and

:25:05. > :25:05.right. This argument is not about politicians and media people,

:25:05. > :25:07.right. This argument is not about politicians and media people, it is

:25:07. > :25:07.about politicians and media people, it is

:25:07. > :25:08.about ordinary people politicians and media people, it is

:25:08. > :25:08.about ordinary people that love this politicians and media people, it is

:25:08. > :25:09.about ordinary people that love this politicians and media people, it is

:25:09. > :25:16.and dealt about ordinary people that love this

:25:16. > :25:16.and dealt with. All of these cases affected

:25:16. > :25:17.and dealt with. All of these cases affected individual people and

:25:17. > :25:17.and dealt with. All of these cases affected individual people and they

:25:17. > :25:17.and dealt with. All of these cases are the

:25:17. > :25:20.affected individual people and they are the ones that need to

:25:20. > :25:21.affected individual people and they are the ones that need to have

:25:21. > :25:21.justice in are the ones that need to have

:25:21. > :25:22.justice in this matter. Next are the ones that need to have

:25:22. > :25:23.justice in this matter. Next week we are the ones that need to have

:25:23. > :25:23.justice in this matter. Next week we will be hearing

:25:23. > :25:32.justice in this matter. Next week we will be hearing whether the Privy

:25:32. > :25:32.Council will be reporting on the proposal to replace

:25:32. > :25:33.Council will be reporting on the proposal to replace it. Are

:25:33. > :25:33.Council will be reporting on the proposal to replace it. Are you

:25:33. > :25:33.agreeing proposal to replace it. Are you

:25:33. > :25:34.agreeing then that what proposal to replace it. Are you

:25:35. > :25:38.agreeing then that what the mail did proposal to replace it. Are you

:25:38. > :25:38.agreeing then that what the mail did with its

:25:38. > :25:49.agreeing then that what the mail did with its Miliband article was a

:25:49. > :25:49.matter of with its Miliband article was a

:25:49. > :25:57.matter of judgement? Yes, and the with its Miliband article was a

:25:57. > :25:57.matter of judgement? Yes, and the with its Miliband article was a

:25:57. > :25:57.Leveson inquiry came with its Miliband article was a

:25:58. > :25:58.Leveson inquiry came to with its Miliband article was a

:25:58. > :26:02.Leveson inquiry came to the conclusion that the relationship

:26:02. > :26:02.Leveson inquiry came to the conclusion that the relationship

:26:03. > :26:05.between the conclusion that the relationship

:26:05. > :26:06.between the press, the police and politicians should be governed, but

:26:06. > :26:07.this is politicians should be governed, but

:26:07. > :26:08.this is about how you have a politicians should be governed, but

:26:08. > :26:09.this is about how you have a framework that can be fair

:26:09. > :26:10.this is about how you have a framework that can be fair to

:26:10. > :26:13.everyone. If you look framework that can be fair to

:26:13. > :26:13.everyone. If you look at the proposal given

:26:13. > :26:13.everyone. If you look at the proposal given by half

:26:13. > :26:14.everyone. If you look at the proposal given by half the press

:26:14. > :26:16.everyone. If you look at the proposal given by half the press

:26:16. > :26:16.industry that proposal given by half the press

:26:16. > :26:19.industry that that does not meet the proposal given by half the press

:26:19. > :26:20.industry that that does not meet the Leveson requirement and I suspect

:26:20. > :26:20.the Leveson requirement and I suspect

:26:20. > :26:21.the Privy Council Leveson requirement and I suspect

:26:21. > :26:22.the Privy Council this week will Leveson requirement and I suspect

:26:23. > :26:23.the Privy Council this week will have to reject

:26:23. > :26:24.the Privy Council this week will have to reject that, and I

:26:24. > :26:24.the Privy Council this week will have to reject that, and I hope it

:26:24. > :26:27.will have to reject that, and I hope it

:26:27. > :26:27.will because it is not consistent with the

:26:27. > :26:28.will because it is not consistent with the Leveson report

:26:28. > :26:28.will because it is not consistent with the Leveson report which the

:26:28. > :26:29.Prime Minister with the Leveson report which the

:26:29. > :26:32.Prime Minister said he supported. with the Leveson report which the

:26:32. > :26:34.Prime Minister said he supported. You attacked the mail in your

:26:34. > :26:34.Prime Minister said he supported. You attacked the mail in

:26:34. > :26:34.Prime Minister said he supported. today but

:26:34. > :26:35.You attacked the mail in your column today but your paper went

:26:35. > :26:38.You attacked the mail in your column today but your paper went through

:26:38. > :26:40.the Cameron family today but your paper went through

:26:41. > :26:41.the Cameron family bins to see what nappies

:26:41. > :26:42.the Cameron family bins to see what nappies they used for their

:26:42. > :26:45.the Cameron family bins to see what nappies they used for their disabled

:26:45. > :26:45.son. Isn't that far more offensive than what

:26:46. > :26:46.son. Isn't that far more offensive than what the Daily

:26:46. > :26:46.son. Isn't that far more offensive than what the Daily Mail wrote

:26:46. > :26:47.son. Isn't that far more offensive than what the Daily Mail wrote about

:26:47. > :26:47.Ralph than what the Daily Mail wrote about

:26:47. > :26:53.Ralph Miliband? It probably is, than what the Daily Mail wrote about

:26:53. > :26:53.Ralph Miliband? It probably is, I couldn't

:26:53. > :26:53.Ralph Miliband? It probably is, I couldn't defend that.

:26:54. > :26:54.Ralph Miliband? It probably is, I couldn't defend that. I

:26:54. > :26:56.Ralph Miliband? It probably is, I couldn't defend that. I have had

:26:56. > :26:57.reporters going couldn't defend that. I have had

:26:57. > :27:02.reporters going through my couldn't defend that. I have had

:27:02. > :27:02.reporters going through my bins. Haven't we

:27:02. > :27:04.reporters going through my bins. Haven't we all? Yes, but we

:27:04. > :27:04.reporters going through my bins. Haven't we all? Yes, but we are

:27:04. > :27:04.dealing Haven't we all? Yes, but we are

:27:04. > :27:06.dealing with the Haven't we all? Yes, but we are

:27:06. > :27:08.dealing with the judgement of Haven't we all? Yes, but we are

:27:08. > :27:08.dealing with the judgement of editors who

:27:08. > :27:09.dealing with the judgement of editors who acts unilaterally. Paul

:27:09. > :27:09.Dacre is editors who acts unilaterally. Paul

:27:09. > :27:10.Dacre is running this thing editors who acts unilaterally. Paul

:27:10. > :27:15.Dacre is running this thing in the editors who acts unilaterally. Paul

:27:15. > :27:18.Dacre is running this thing in the Mail. How can

:27:18. > :27:22.Dacre is running this thing in the Mail. How can we accept their

:27:22. > :27:23.Dacre is running this thing in the Mail. How can we accept their

:27:23. > :27:23.judgement and Mail. How can we accept their

:27:23. > :27:23.judgement and some accountability which

:27:24. > :27:24.judgement and some accountability which the press have

:27:24. > :27:31.judgement and some accountability which the press have accepted the

:27:31. > :27:32.old PCC is which the press have accepted the

:27:32. > :27:33.old PCC is no good. They which the press have accepted the

:27:33. > :27:33.old PCC is no good. They are playing for

:27:33. > :27:35.old PCC is no good. They are playing for time because if they reject it

:27:35. > :27:35.old PCC is no good. They are playing for time because if they reject it

:27:35. > :27:35.this week for time because if they reject it

:27:35. > :27:37.this week there is 12 for time because if they reject it

:27:37. > :27:37.this week there is 12 months until you can

:27:37. > :27:40.this week there is 12 months until you can consider a parliamentary

:27:40. > :27:40.alternative and you can consider a parliamentary

:27:40. > :27:42.alternative and then you are near you can consider a parliamentary

:27:42. > :27:42.alternative and then you are near the election

:27:42. > :27:42.alternative and then you are near the election and you

:27:42. > :27:46.alternative and then you are near the election and you begin to bully

:27:46. > :27:46.the leaders. That is how they have been

:27:46. > :27:48.the leaders. That is how they have been successful in putting off

:27:48. > :27:56.recommendations. been successful in putting off

:27:56. > :27:58.recommendations. Maybe my memory is fading but did you or anybody else

:27:58. > :27:58.recommendations. Maybe my memory is in the

:27:58. > :27:58.fading but did you or anybody else in the Labour Party

:27:59. > :28:00.fading but did you or anybody else in the Labour Party object to

:28:00. > :28:01.fading but did you or anybody else in the Labour Party object to the

:28:01. > :28:04.Sunday Mirror's behaviour? in the Labour Party object to the

:28:04. > :28:05.Sunday Mirror's behaviour? I didn't know about

:28:05. > :28:07.Sunday Mirror's behaviour? I didn't know about it. I would just say it

:28:07. > :28:07.is wrong know about it. I would just say it

:28:07. > :28:09.is wrong if that is what they did. know about it. I would just say it

:28:09. > :28:10.is wrong if that is what they did. As you

:28:10. > :28:11.is wrong if that is what they did. As you said, you have the same

:28:11. > :28:11.is wrong if that is what they did. As you said, you have the same

:28:11. > :28:11.position when As you said, you have the same

:28:11. > :28:14.position when they go As you said, you have the same

:28:14. > :28:16.position when they go through your rubbish bins, I think that is wrong.

:28:16. > :28:17.position when they go through your rubbish bins, I think that is wrong.

:28:17. > :28:18.We have Leveson rubbish bins, I think that is wrong.

:28:18. > :28:18.We have Leveson set up rubbish bins, I think that is wrong.

:28:18. > :28:19.We have Leveson set up by the Prime We have Leveson set up by the Prime

:28:19. > :28:19.Minister to We have Leveson set up by the Prime

:28:19. > :28:22.Minister to look at the cultures and We have Leveson set up by the Prime

:28:22. > :28:22.Minister to look at the cultures and practices and the

:28:22. > :28:23.Minister to look at the cultures and practices and the unilateral action

:28:23. > :28:23.Minister to look at the cultures and practices and the unilateral action

:28:23. > :28:23.of editors practices and the unilateral action

:28:23. > :28:24.of editors and he came practices and the unilateral action

:28:24. > :28:25.of editors and he came forward practices and the unilateral action

:28:25. > :28:25.of editors and he came forward with a proposal

:28:25. > :28:26.of editors and he came forward with a proposal that was agreed

:28:26. > :28:27.of editors and he came forward with a proposal that was agreed in

:28:27. > :28:27.Parliament under a a proposal that was agreed in

:28:27. > :28:38.Parliament under a compromise of the a proposal that was agreed in

:28:38. > :28:38.Royal Charter. Parliament under a compromise of the

:28:38. > :28:39.Royal Charter. I don't like Parliament under a compromise of the

:28:39. > :28:39.Royal Charter. I don't like a Royal Charter,

:28:39. > :28:40.Royal Charter. I don't like a Royal Charter, it is not

:28:40. > :28:40.Royal Charter. I don't like a Royal Charter, it is not democratic

:28:40. > :28:42.frankly, but we Charter, it is not democratic

:28:42. > :28:42.frankly, but we have agreed to go along

:28:42. > :28:43.frankly, but we have agreed to go along with it so why did

:28:43. > :28:43.frankly, but we have agreed to go along with it so why did the

:28:43. > :28:44.Government set up along with it so why did the

:28:44. > :28:44.Government set up in charge at along with it so why did the

:28:44. > :28:45.Government set up in charge at the Government set up in charge at the

:28:45. > :28:48.same time Government set up in charge at the

:28:48. > :28:48.same time rushed through the press box? It

:28:48. > :28:48.same time rushed through the press box? It looks like

:28:48. > :28:51.same time rushed through the press box? It looks like a fix, like they

:28:51. > :28:51.are box? It looks like a fix, like they

:28:51. > :28:52.are using the Royal box? It looks like a fix, like they

:28:52. > :28:57.are using the Royal Charter as a box? It looks like a fix, like they

:28:57. > :28:57.are using the Royal Charter as a means of

:28:57. > :28:57.are using the Royal Charter as a means of delaying everything.

:28:57. > :28:59.are using the Royal Charter as a means of delaying everything. They

:28:59. > :28:59.have now said means of delaying everything. They

:28:59. > :29:01.have now said they are going to means of delaying everything. They

:29:01. > :29:02.have now said they are going to introduce their own independent

:29:02. > :29:02.charter. introduce their own independent

:29:02. > :29:04.charter. This industry does not introduce their own independent

:29:04. > :29:09.charter. This industry does not want to face up to any form of

:29:09. > :29:09.accountability. We know Alistair Campbell

:29:09. > :29:09.accountability. We know Alistair Campbell and Ed

:29:09. > :29:12.accountability. We know Alistair Campbell and Ed Miliband's officers

:29:12. > :29:13.accountability. We know Alistair Campbell and Ed Miliband's officers

:29:13. > :29:13.are working closely Campbell and Ed Miliband's officers

:29:13. > :29:14.are working closely on the Campbell and Ed Miliband's officers

:29:14. > :29:14.are working closely on the assault of the

:29:14. > :29:19.are working closely on the assault of the Mail. What is the

:29:19. > :29:20.are working closely on the assault of the Mail. What is the endgame for

:29:20. > :29:22.this? Is it the of the Mail. What is the endgame for

:29:22. > :29:22.this? Is it the head of of the Mail. What is the endgame for

:29:22. > :29:24.this? Is it the head of Paul Dacre? of the Mail. What is the endgame for

:29:24. > :29:25.this? Is it the head of Paul Dacre? He is not

:29:25. > :29:25.this? Is it the head of Paul Dacre? He is not an acceptable

:29:25. > :29:25.this? Is it the head of Paul Dacre? He is not an acceptable character

:29:25. > :29:26.this? Is it the head of Paul Dacre? He is not an acceptable character to

:29:26. > :29:26.me, He is not an acceptable character to

:29:26. > :29:29.me, and he He is not an acceptable character to

:29:29. > :29:36.me, and he needs to be He is not an acceptable character to

:29:36. > :29:38.me, and he needs to be taking account. When Ed Miliband

:29:38. > :29:39.me, and he needs to be taking account. When Ed Miliband rang me it

:29:39. > :29:41.was to say, don't let these account. When Ed Miliband rang me it

:29:41. > :29:41.was to say, don't let account. When Ed Miliband rang me it

:29:41. > :29:41.arguments drift was to say, don't let these

:29:41. > :29:42.arguments drift into press was to say, don't let these

:29:42. > :29:43.arguments drift into press regulation, he

:29:43. > :29:44.arguments drift into press regulation, he wanted the argument

:29:44. > :29:44.of regulation, he wanted the argument

:29:44. > :29:50.of decency. Are you and Ed regulation, he wanted the argument

:29:50. > :29:51.of decency. Are you and Ed Miliband after Paul Dacre's head?

:29:51. > :29:58.of decency. Are you and Ed Miliband after Paul Dacre's head? No, he can

:29:58. > :29:59.stay there. It is like after Paul Dacre's head? No, he can

:29:59. > :30:00.stay there. It is like with Murdoch, after Paul Dacre's head? No, he can

:30:00. > :30:00.stay there. It is like with Murdoch, after Paul Dacre's head? No, he can

:30:00. > :30:01.we were after Paul Dacre's head? No, he can

:30:01. > :30:02.we were not attacking him but we were not attacking him but what

:30:02. > :30:02.is papers we were not attacking him but what

:30:02. > :30:04.is papers were doing. we were not attacking him but what

:30:04. > :30:05.is papers were doing. To that extent, what they

:30:05. > :30:05.is papers were doing. To that extent, what they are doing

:30:05. > :30:07.is papers were doing. To that extent, what they are doing about

:30:07. > :30:08.ordinary people, extent, what they are doing about

:30:08. > :30:08.ordinary people, not just big politicians

:30:08. > :30:09.ordinary people, not just big politicians who can look after

:30:09. > :30:09.ordinary people, not just big politicians who can look

:30:09. > :30:10.ordinary people, not just big themselves. We

:30:10. > :30:12.politicians who can look after themselves. We know, with the bad

:30:12. > :30:12.politicians who can look after themselves. We know, with the bad

:30:12. > :30:13.cases he themselves. We know, with the bad

:30:13. > :30:13.cases he had to themselves. We know, with the bad

:30:13. > :30:14.cases he had to deal with, they themselves. We know, with the bad

:30:14. > :30:15.cases he had to deal with, they might get libel action,

:30:15. > :30:16.cases he had to deal with, they might get libel action, which the

:30:16. > :30:16.press might get libel action, which the

:30:16. > :30:17.press say, but they might get libel action, which the

:30:17. > :30:18.press say, but they pretty well might get libel action, which the

:30:18. > :30:18.press say, but they pretty well destroyed their

:30:18. > :30:20.press say, but they pretty well destroyed their lives. That is about

:30:20. > :30:20.press say, but they pretty well destroyed their lives. That is about

:30:20. > :30:22.judgment. If you say, as Paul destroyed their lives. That is about

:30:22. > :30:22.judgment. If you say, as Paul Dacre got

:30:22. > :30:25.judgment. If you say, as Paul Dacre got good judgment? I would say no,

:30:25. > :30:26.he will got good judgment? I would say no,

:30:26. > :30:27.he will have to got good judgment? I would say no,

:30:28. > :30:28.he will have to live with it. Thank you

:30:28. > :30:28.he will have to live with it. Thank you for joining

:30:28. > :30:31.he will have to live with it. Thank you for joining us, he did not

:30:31. > :30:31.even have to Thank you for joining us, he did not

:30:31. > :30:33.even have to go to the Thank you for joining us, he did not

:30:33. > :30:33.even have to go to the BBC studios, we sent

:30:33. > :30:34.even have to go to the BBC studios, we sent a truck there for

:30:34. > :30:34.even have to go to the BBC studios, we sent a truck there for him.

:30:34. > :30:39.even have to go to the BBC studios, we sent a truck there for him. What

:30:39. > :30:39.is the endgame in this? Whether the Labour

:30:39. > :30:41.is the endgame in this? Whether the Labour Party is trying to make this

:30:41. > :30:41.an Labour Party is trying to make this

:30:41. > :30:43.an issue press regulation are not, Labour Party is trying to make this

:30:43. > :30:43.an issue press regulation are not, this is where it

:30:43. > :30:44.an issue press regulation are not, this is where it is going.

:30:44. > :30:45.an issue press regulation are not, this is where it is going. We have

:30:45. > :30:45.the this is where it is going. We have

:30:45. > :30:46.the criminal trial involving this is where it is going. We have

:30:46. > :30:47.the criminal trial involving Andy this is where it is going. We have

:30:47. > :30:47.the criminal trial involving Andy Coulson coming

:30:47. > :30:49.the criminal trial involving Andy Coulson coming up, the Privy Council

:30:49. > :30:49.discussing Coulson coming up, the Privy Council

:30:50. > :30:50.discussing press radiation before the end of

:30:50. > :30:50.discussing press radiation before the end of the year,

:30:50. > :30:51.discussing press radiation before the end of the year, and the

:30:51. > :30:51.discussing press radiation before the end of the year, and the

:30:51. > :30:52.question is, what is political the end of the year, and the

:30:52. > :30:54.question is, what is political impact? My hunch,

:30:54. > :30:55.question is, what is political impact? My hunch, it is an

:30:55. > :30:55.question is, what is political impact? My hunch, it is an

:30:55. > :30:57.unfashionable view, impact? My hunch, it is an

:30:57. > :30:58.unfashionable view, is that the total at yum elated political

:30:58. > :30:59.unfashionable view, is that the total at yum elated political impact

:30:59. > :30:59.of the Leveson total at yum elated political impact

:30:59. > :31:00.of the Leveson story over total at yum elated political impact

:31:00. > :31:00.of the Leveson story over the past several

:31:00. > :31:02.of the Leveson story over the past several years, hacking and

:31:02. > :31:02.everything, several years, hacking and

:31:02. > :31:04.everything, is close to several years, hacking and

:31:04. > :31:04.everything, is close to zero, because most

:31:04. > :31:04.everything, is close to zero, because most voters do

:31:04. > :31:05.everything, is close to zero, because most voters do not care,

:31:05. > :31:09.everything, is close to zero, because most voters do not care, and

:31:09. > :31:12.those who do care because most voters do not care, and

:31:12. > :31:12.those who do care believe that all parties are

:31:12. > :31:12.those who do care believe that all parties are roughly complicit

:31:12. > :31:13.those who do care believe that all parties are roughly complicit in

:31:13. > :31:13.being parties are roughly complicit in

:31:13. > :31:13.being too close parties are roughly complicit in

:31:13. > :31:14.being too close to parties are roughly complicit in

:31:14. > :31:14.being too close to editors and proprietors.

:31:14. > :31:17.being too close to editors and proprietors. You said

:31:17. > :31:18.being too close to editors and proprietors. You said that Adam

:31:18. > :31:18.Afriyie was proprietors. You said that Adam

:31:18. > :31:19.Afriyie was a Labour proprietors. You said that Adam

:31:19. > :31:20.Afriyie was a Labour mould, with a smile. Is

:31:20. > :31:24.Afriyie was a Labour mould, with a smile. Is the Daily Mail also a

:31:24. > :31:24.Labour smile. Is the Daily Mail also a

:31:24. > :31:26.Labour mole? This has been a dream Labour mole? This has been a dream

:31:26. > :31:26.for Ed Labour mole? This has been a dream

:31:27. > :31:28.for Ed Miliband, I took on Labour mole? This has been a dream

:31:28. > :31:28.for Ed Miliband, I took on Murdoch, I

:31:28. > :31:30.for Ed Miliband, I took on Murdoch, I am taking on the energy companies

:31:30. > :31:30.and I am taking on the energy companies

:31:30. > :31:34.and now the evil I am taking on the energy companies

:31:34. > :31:36.and now the evil Daily Mail! I think... I should say I used to work

:31:36. > :31:37.and now the evil Daily Mail! I for the Daily

:31:37. > :31:38.and now the evil Daily Mail! I for the Daily Mail, but when

:31:38. > :31:38.and now the evil Daily Mail! I for the Daily Mail, but when they

:31:38. > :31:38.printed the for the Daily Mail, but when they

:31:38. > :31:40.printed the right of for the Daily Mail, but when they

:31:40. > :31:40.printed the right of reply, they surrounded it

:31:40. > :31:41.printed the right of reply, they surrounded it with a big

:31:41. > :31:42.printed the right of reply, they surrounded it with a big two fingers

:31:42. > :31:42.up surrounded it with a big two fingers

:31:42. > :31:43.up at Ed. If surrounded it with a big two fingers

:31:43. > :31:44.up at Ed. If they had not surrounded it with a big two fingers

:31:44. > :31:44.up at Ed. If they had not done surrounded it with a big two fingers

:31:44. > :31:46.that, they would surrounded it with a big two fingers

:31:46. > :31:46.that, they would not be in this position.

:31:46. > :31:49.that, they would not be in this position. The poll in the Sunday

:31:49. > :31:49.that, they would not be in this position. The poll in the Sunday

:31:49. > :31:51.Times this morning position. The poll in the Sunday

:31:51. > :31:51.Times this morning shows 72% think the

:31:51. > :31:52.Times this morning shows 72% think the Daily Mail was wrong

:31:52. > :31:53.Times this morning shows 72% think the Daily Mail was wrong and backed

:31:53. > :31:54.Mr Miliband's demand for the Daily Mail was wrong and backed

:31:54. > :31:56.Mr Miliband's demand for an apology. the Daily Mail was wrong and backed

:31:56. > :31:58.Mr Miliband's demand for an apology. If you come to define and your

:31:58. > :31:58.Mr Miliband's demand for an apology. If you come to define and your dad,

:31:58. > :31:58.people If you come to define and your dad,

:31:58. > :31:59.people are naturally going If you come to define and your dad,

:31:59. > :32:00.people are naturally going to do people are naturally going to do

:32:00. > :32:01.this, but it took all the people are naturally going to do

:32:01. > :32:02.this, but it took all the coverage people are naturally going to do

:32:02. > :32:02.this, but it took all the coverage away from the Tory

:32:02. > :32:04.this, but it took all the coverage away from the Tory conference, the

:32:04. > :32:04.media loves covering away from the Tory conference, the

:32:04. > :32:05.media loves covering itself, away from the Tory conference, the

:32:05. > :32:05.media loves covering itself, here we are

:32:05. > :32:06.media loves covering itself, here we are doing it

:32:06. > :32:07.media loves covering itself, here we are doing it again, this has been a

:32:07. > :32:07.media loves covering itself, here we are doing it again, this has been a

:32:08. > :32:12.dream for Mr are doing it again, this has been a

:32:12. > :32:13.dream for Mr Miliband. The political significance of this is

:32:13. > :32:13.dream for Mr Miliband. The political significance of this is that David

:32:13. > :32:13.Cameron significance of this is that David

:32:14. > :32:14.Cameron said in the House significance of this is that David

:32:14. > :32:15.Cameron said in the House of Commons significance of this is that David

:32:15. > :32:15.Cameron said in the House of Commons that he

:32:15. > :32:16.Cameron said in the House of Commons that he wanted to try to

:32:16. > :32:17.Cameron said in the House of Commons that he wanted to try to find some

:32:17. > :32:17.common that he wanted to try to find some

:32:17. > :32:17.common ground between the that he wanted to try to find some

:32:17. > :32:18.common ground between the three that he wanted to try to find some

:32:18. > :32:19.common ground between the three party Royal Charter and

:32:19. > :32:21.common ground between the three party Royal Charter and the

:32:21. > :32:24.so-called press industry version. party Royal Charter and the

:32:24. > :32:25.so-called press industry version. What the Daily

:32:25. > :32:26.so-called press industry version. What the Daily Mail has done

:32:26. > :32:26.so-called press industry version. What the Daily Mail has done is

:32:26. > :32:27.ensured that What the Daily Mail has done is

:32:27. > :32:27.ensured that the Prime What the Daily Mail has done is

:32:27. > :32:28.ensured that the Prime Minister is What the Daily Mail has done is

:32:28. > :32:29.ensured that the Prime Minister is not going to be able to

:32:29. > :32:29.ensured that the Prime Minister is not going to be able to do that.

:32:29. > :32:30.What is going not going to be able to do that.

:32:30. > :32:30.What is going to happen not going to be able to do that.

:32:30. > :32:31.What is going to happen this week not going to be able to do that.

:32:31. > :32:32.What is going to happen this week is that the

:32:32. > :32:32.What is going to happen this week is that the press Royal Charter

:32:32. > :32:33.What is going to happen this week is that the press Royal Charter has to

:32:33. > :32:35.be considered that the press Royal Charter has to

:32:35. > :32:36.be considered first, and that will probably be rejected.

:32:36. > :32:36.be considered first, and that will probably be rejected. The Privy

:32:36. > :32:36.Council probably be rejected. The Privy

:32:36. > :32:42.Council will reject it. probably be rejected. The Privy

:32:42. > :32:42.Council will reject it. Then the three

:32:42. > :32:42.Council will reject it. Then the three party Royal

:32:42. > :32:43.Council will reject it. Then the three party Royal Charter will come

:32:43. > :32:47.Council will reject it. Then the three party Royal Charter will come

:32:47. > :32:47.up, but meanwhile the press will set up their own regulatory

:32:48. > :32:49.up, but meanwhile the press will set up their own regulatory body because

:32:49. > :32:51.the Royal Charter up their own regulatory body because

:32:51. > :32:51.the Royal Charter is not a proper statutory

:32:51. > :32:52.the Royal Charter is not a proper statutory underpinning, they will be

:32:52. > :32:52.able to statutory underpinning, they will be

:32:52. > :32:53.able to go ahead with that. statutory underpinning, they will be

:32:53. > :32:55.able to go ahead with that. There statutory underpinning, they will be

:32:55. > :32:57.will be the legal basis for the statutory underpinning, they will be

:32:57. > :32:57.will be the legal basis for the oversight of

:32:57. > :32:58.will be the legal basis for the oversight of the oversight body, and

:32:58. > :33:01.it will oversight of the oversight body, and

:33:01. > :33:02.it will basically just be an ambassador that will not be

:33:02. > :33:02.resolved. ambassador that will not be

:33:02. > :33:07.resolved. As you say, no-one ambassador that will not be

:33:07. > :33:08.resolved. As you say, no-one much cares about this outside of

:33:08. > :33:09.resolved. As you say, no-one much cares about this outside of the

:33:09. > :33:10.profession and cares about this outside of the

:33:10. > :33:10.profession and a few media watchers. But this

:33:10. > :33:11.profession and a few media watchers. But this has been great

:33:11. > :33:12.profession and a few media watchers. But this has been great politics for

:33:12. > :33:13.profession and a few media watchers. But this has been great politics

:33:13. > :33:13.profession and a few media watchers. Ed Miliband.

:33:13. > :33:15.But this has been great politics for Ed Miliband. It is

:33:15. > :33:17.But this has been great politics for Ed Miliband. It is only great

:33:17. > :33:18.But this has been great politics for Ed Miliband. It is only great

:33:18. > :33:21.politics if he Ed Miliband. It is only great

:33:21. > :33:21.politics if he scores a great Ed Miliband. It is only great

:33:21. > :33:25.politics if he scores a great victory. I take your view that

:33:25. > :33:28.people are people are cynical about it. But the

:33:28. > :33:28.narrative is, people are cynical about it. But the

:33:28. > :33:29.narrative is, I am people are cynical about it. But the

:33:29. > :33:29.narrative is, I am the chap people are cynical about it. But the

:33:29. > :33:32.narrative is, I am the chap who stands up to vested interests. But

:33:32. > :33:33.all those stands up to vested interests. But

:33:33. > :33:34.all those vested interests are people that

:33:34. > :33:34.all those vested interests are people that you would

:33:34. > :33:35.all those vested interests are people that you would expect a

:33:35. > :33:35.left-wing people that you would expect a

:33:35. > :33:35.left-wing politician to people that you would expect a

:33:35. > :33:36.left-wing politician to want to take people that you would expect a

:33:36. > :33:39.left-wing politician to want to take on. It is

:33:39. > :33:41.left-wing politician to want to take on. It is also more significant

:33:41. > :33:41.about on. It is also more significant

:33:41. > :33:41.about who he on. It is also more significant

:33:41. > :33:45.about who he has stood up for, on. It is also more significant

:33:45. > :33:45.about who he has stood up for, and the person he

:33:45. > :33:45.about who he has stood up for, and the person he has studied

:33:45. > :33:46.about who he has stood up for, and the person he has studied for is

:33:46. > :33:47.about who he has stood up for, and the person he has studied for is his

:33:47. > :33:47.about who he has stood up for, and father. Maybe people

:33:47. > :33:47.about who he has stood up for, and father. Maybe people thought of

:33:47. > :33:48.about who he has stood up for, and father. Maybe people thought of him

:33:48. > :33:48.as father. Maybe people thought of him

:33:48. > :33:48.as a Marxist, now father. Maybe people thought of him

:33:48. > :33:49.as a Marxist, now they think father. Maybe people thought of him

:33:49. > :33:49.as a Marxist, now they think of father. Maybe people thought of him

:33:49. > :33:50.as a Marxist, now they think of him as a Marxist, now they think of him

:33:50. > :33:53.as war hero. He gets to the as a Marxist, now they think of him

:33:53. > :33:54.as war hero. He gets to the crux of as a Marxist, now they think of him

:33:54. > :33:54.as war hero. He gets to the crux of matters, you know!

:33:54. > :33:56.as war hero. He gets to the crux of matters, you know! You are watching

:33:57. > :34:00.as war hero. He gets to the crux of matters, you know! You are watching

:34:00. > :34:00.the Sunday Politics. Coming up in just over

:34:00. > :34:01.the Sunday Politics. Coming up in just over 20 minutes, I

:34:01. > :34:01.the Sunday Politics. Coming up in just over 20 minutes, I will be

:34:01. > :34:01.the Sunday Politics. Coming up in just over 20 minutes, I will be

:34:01. > :34:02.speaking to Godfrey just over 20 minutes, I will be

:34:02. > :34:21.speaking to Godfrey Welcome to Sunday Politics Wales. It

:34:21. > :34:32.will be the winners and losers in the Budget? And as they consider who

:34:32. > :34:36.should police the media, one politician says that the press

:34:36. > :34:42.should be given a chance of self-regulation. Glyn Davies, let us

:34:42. > :34:50.start with the backbench colleague of yours wanting to bring forward a

:34:50. > :34:57.referendum on the EU before the referendum. The support that? Not at

:34:57. > :35:00.all. We have a clear strategy of having an election, hoping for a

:35:00. > :35:09.insensitive majority and then negotiating. We will put that to the

:35:09. > :35:15.British people in 2017. Why is he doing it? There are people who will

:35:15. > :35:19.believe in that. They will be across all of the parties. It will not just

:35:19. > :35:24.be you get. It will be members of all parties who want to see us

:35:24. > :35:27.getting this out of the way. I don't see the point in having a referendum

:35:27. > :35:34.until we know what the long-term elation ship is with the EU. Tom

:35:34. > :35:41.Watson says he supports the idea. He said that Ed Miliband should as

:35:41. > :35:45.well. What do you think? It is a maverick proposal and a distraction

:35:45. > :35:51.from the big issues at the moment. The idea of having several days of

:35:51. > :35:54.ruminating about what a referendum might be or we will build up to a

:35:54. > :35:58.referendum before a general election distracts from all of the key issues

:35:58. > :36:05.at the moment. The economy, jobs, health and employment. We will also

:36:05. > :36:09.talk about the Welsh Budget later. As senior politicians meet next week

:36:09. > :36:13.to decide how is to regulate the press, a top executive at the

:36:13. > :36:20.newspaper group that was at the heart of the scandal says that the

:36:20. > :36:24.industry should be given one more chance to regulated self or stop

:36:24. > :36:26.after we learned that Milly Dowler's phone had been hacked by

:36:26. > :36:33.the News Of The World, the Daily Mail's attack on Ed Miliband's

:36:33. > :36:41.father has re-focused attention on the industry.

:36:41. > :36:49.Police uncovered evidence that the press had hacked into Milly

:36:49. > :36:56.Dowler's mobile phone. A massive investigation followed. Thousands of

:36:56. > :37:02.potential hacking victims emerged, politicians, solidity is, public and

:37:02. > :37:07.private videos. Investigations were launched was not there was the lead

:37:07. > :37:25.is an enquiry into press standards. As former news International

:37:25. > :37:32.executives await trial, one member of the industry says that we they

:37:32. > :37:35.should be given one more chance. They can order apologies to be put

:37:35. > :37:39.in prominent positions in newspapers. We do not need

:37:39. > :37:42.politicians to do that. Documents are at an advanced stage. The Bill

:37:42. > :37:46.within the industry is overwhelming now and we're talking about national

:37:46. > :37:50.and local, we're talking that left and right, we're talking about

:37:50. > :37:56.tabloid and broadsheet. It is there, we will get on with it. In this

:37:56. > :38:02.newsroom, the Cardiff School of Journalism is journalists. The

:38:02. > :38:07.ethics of journalism is central here. What they are tussling over

:38:07. > :38:14.now is how you punish hate you considered to be unethical. Without

:38:14. > :38:21.stopping newspapers scrutinising politicians when it is in the public

:38:21. > :38:24.interest. John Jewell has written widely on Prestridge elation. He

:38:24. > :38:29.believes that the industry cannot be left to define its own standard. We

:38:29. > :38:36.have heard that argument so many times since the second World War.

:38:36. > :38:43.They have been five or six enquiries into the press. And then the phone

:38:43. > :38:46.hacking scandal arises. All of these chances have you did no positive

:38:46. > :38:51.results. Do we really want to take that risk again? The issue of press

:38:51. > :38:57.behaviour has been dominating the news. First, a Daily Mail article

:38:57. > :39:03.described Ed Miliband's father, Ralph Miliband, as a man who hated

:39:03. > :39:08.Britain. Then, after printing the Labour leader's angry defence of his

:39:08. > :39:18.father, who he said love Britain, the paper review did his claims. It

:39:18. > :39:25.was an apology for a Mail on Sunday reporter gate-crashing a memorial

:39:25. > :39:32.service for his uncle. We need a proper code of conduct, with proper

:39:32. > :39:39.redress for individuals whose lives are peak into by the press and are

:39:39. > :39:41.invaded. We need to make sure we have a press that understands the

:39:41. > :39:47.standards of common decency and observes them. Mr Smith backs the

:39:47. > :39:50.cross-party agreement to establish by Royal Charter what is called an

:39:50. > :39:57.independent recognition panel. No serving politicians, editors or

:39:57. > :39:59.ex-editors can sit on it. It would approve the new regulator. The

:39:59. > :40:03.regulator could demand prominent corrections and apologies from

:40:03. > :40:11.newspapers and impose £1 million fines. Rival alternatives are backed

:40:11. > :40:15.by most major newspapers and will allow peers and ex-editors on the

:40:15. > :40:20.recognition panel. Their regulator would also be able to find

:40:20. > :40:24.neighbours £1 million. The industry argues parliament would not be able

:40:24. > :40:28.to block or prove future changes to its regulation structure. Supporters

:40:28. > :40:33.of the cross-party deal say the newspapers regulator would have

:40:33. > :40:38.blunted teeth and would make it easier for politicians to interfere.

:40:38. > :40:43.If we move to a situation where the press are punished for not signing

:40:43. > :40:48.up to a body that has ultimately at the end of the line the presence of

:40:48. > :40:54.politicians, then we are starting to go down that a very dangerous path

:40:54. > :41:01.toward something that is something similar to licensing the press. That

:41:01. > :41:06.is a dangerous thing. It is counter to centuries of British tradition.

:41:06. > :41:10.This would be an independent, self-regulatory process that he

:41:10. > :41:13.press would be subject to. They should not be opposing it. They

:41:13. > :41:17.should get on with it. The only reason there is to delay is because

:41:17. > :41:23.the press is fighting a last-minute rearguard action to try and get less

:41:23. > :41:27.scrutiny and control from themselves over the process and that is

:41:27. > :41:31.fundamentally wrong. The newspaper's proposal will be

:41:31. > :41:33.considered this week by senior politicians on a subcommittee of the

:41:33. > :41:40.privy Council, which advises the Queen. No doubt will be able to read

:41:40. > :41:45.all about it. This tussle between the red tops and the politicians

:41:45. > :41:53.might be reaching a resolution. Do the press deserve another chance?

:41:53. > :41:55.The answer is no. Bodies that exercise considerable power always

:41:55. > :42:01.want to recollect themselves and I don't think self-regulation ever

:42:01. > :42:04.really works. They have considerable influence. What is being proposed

:42:04. > :42:11.has the support of all of the political parties and is about

:42:11. > :42:14.independent regulation and nonpolitical regulation. What they

:42:14. > :42:19.are proposing themselves would actually introduce a certain amount

:42:19. > :42:23.of political involvement within the process and in the involvement of

:42:23. > :42:27.the industry itself. We have come too far and we should just get on

:42:27. > :42:31.with it. Glenn Davis, I know you take a different view. Before you

:42:31. > :42:37.share that view, you have been described as the mirror and the male

:42:37. > :42:42.as a Tory gun nut. -- the Daily Mirror and the Daily Mail. What is

:42:42. > :42:47.your view on this? I have voice take on that as being part of my job.

:42:47. > :42:51.These stories are utterly ridiculous. I have voice been a

:42:51. > :42:55.great supporter of the concept of the Freedom of the press and I don't

:42:55. > :42:59.think... What we're talking about in terms of regulation is very little

:42:59. > :43:12.involvement from the politicians but it is the principle. I

:43:12. > :43:15.involvement from the politicians but are taking it seriously and what

:43:15. > :43:18.they are proposing at the moment in terms of regulation, as Nick says,

:43:18. > :43:28.involves quite firm regulation. That is the way forward. It seems that

:43:28. > :43:35.this was a settled issue. This issue with Ed Miliband and his father has

:43:35. > :43:37.reignited the issue. The issue is for regulation would not stop those

:43:37. > :43:40.stories will stop it would not stop any stories were supported is about

:43:40. > :43:49.is some sort of recourse where the newspaper industry overstepped the

:43:49. > :43:53.mark. The Ed Miliband story and his father, the gun nut story would have

:43:53. > :43:56.been there and all of the others. That is important because I don't

:43:56. > :44:03.think anyone wants to see a situation where anyone politician or

:44:03. > :44:06.anybody can determine what newspapers put in. It is setting the

:44:07. > :44:10.parameters for responsible T in the industry in how they behave and how

:44:10. > :44:17.they report. Issue mean that this cross-party submission goes ahead,

:44:17. > :44:22.that is what we do end up with, Guto Harri was very strident in his view

:44:22. > :44:25.that it should stay as it is. The U think that the newspaper 's will

:44:25. > :44:29.stay as it is? That we will have these corrections put in the papers

:44:29. > :44:36.Quetta muck they will have to do that. The one thing that has worried

:44:36. > :44:41.me is the reference to hacking. That is what started this debate off.

:44:41. > :44:45.Hacking is illegal. There was a failure of the police. It is not a

:44:45. > :44:52.failure of Prestridge elation. The press broke the law, they should

:44:52. > :44:58.have been punished. On the basis of an illegal act, we are looking to

:44:58. > :45:02.regular the press. I am hugely nervous about this. The underlying

:45:02. > :45:07.freedoms of Western democracies and societies is we have to be very

:45:07. > :45:12.careful. Is it politicians taking advantage? The cross-party proposal,

:45:12. > :45:16.going to the privy Council, actually prevents politician from being

:45:16. > :45:22.involved in it but it also keeps the editorial side out of it as well.

:45:22. > :45:25.The industry's own proposals would allow the involvement of politicians

:45:25. > :45:30.and that is strange. It is about setting parameters for decency but

:45:30. > :45:35.it is also about making the media to some extent accountable for the

:45:35. > :45:39.power they exercise. We will leave it there for now.

:45:39. > :45:43.Thank you. In a couple of days, on Tuesday, the Welsh government will

:45:43. > :45:47.unveil its draft Budget for the next financial year.

:45:47. > :45:50.Labour do not have a majority in the Assembly, so they'll have to talk to

:45:50. > :45:58.the opposition parties to get it passed. Our reporter has been

:45:58. > :46:02.gathering intelligence and he set out the challenges ahead. The Budget

:46:02. > :46:10.of over £15 billion and in the past, Labour has been... Does not have a

:46:10. > :46:13.majority, so Nice to strike a deal to get the Budget through. In the

:46:13. > :46:21.past, it has been successful in doing that. Two years ago, with the

:46:21. > :46:27.Lib Dems and last year with Plaid Cymru. Those two parties have now

:46:27. > :46:32.come together so there is now less room to manoeuvre. He cannot buy

:46:32. > :46:37.one-off against the other. You say there is less room to manoeuvre. The

:46:37. > :46:42.Budget is more rigid now anyway. Where does he find the extra money

:46:42. > :47:02.to buy off the Liberal Democrats and applied country? -- applied Plaid

:47:02. > :47:07.Cymru? He has ruled out any kind of negotiation with the Conservatives.

:47:07. > :47:12.The big political battle ground has been the NHS. That will become a

:47:12. > :47:16.priority. The criticism has been of Labour, but it leave from the

:47:16. > :47:20.Conservatives, that they have not rejected the NHS Budget against the

:47:20. > :47:23.effects of inflation and at a Westminster level, the conservative

:47:23. > :47:30.Coalition have managed to do that. The big defence has been that health

:47:30. > :47:33.is such a huge part of the Budget, that 43%. If you give too much

:47:33. > :47:41.protection to that, the big trade-off is that there is a

:47:41. > :47:45.disproportionate effect of any effect with the rest of the Budget.

:47:45. > :47:53.If you bolster the health Budget by five or 10%, will it have to come

:47:53. > :47:58.from somewhere else. There will be winners and losers. The expectation

:47:58. > :48:02.is what will happen to local authority budgets. There has been a

:48:02. > :48:05.general acceptance that Welsh councils have not faced the kind of

:48:05. > :48:10.cuts that we have seen in English councils. The Welsh local government

:48:10. > :48:14.Association has said it has been half of that. I spoke to a senior

:48:14. > :48:19.council leader the other day and he said that a lot of the modelling is

:48:19. > :48:23.an expectation of maybe a 4% cut in the Budget, which will be higher

:48:23. > :48:31.than any councils have had to deal with on an annual basis. A bit like

:48:31. > :48:37.the reliance or the emphasis of the NHS Budget on the old government's

:48:37. > :48:42.overall Budget. For councils, about 70% of their budgets goes on

:48:42. > :48:47.education and social services and they cannot be cut. A big proportion

:48:47. > :48:50.of the cuts will come from a relatively small bit of their Budget

:48:50. > :48:59.so things like leisure services and we seems really good -- and museums

:48:59. > :49:03.could be facing really big cats. This is a really tight Budget, maybe

:49:03. > :49:08.it does help Labour to strike a deal with two opposition parties. If

:49:08. > :49:12.there swinging cuts to authorities, they can absorb in a way the

:49:12. > :49:17.political fallout as a result of that. That was our political editor.

:49:17. > :49:22.Glyn Davies, your party on the margins here. There has been

:49:22. > :49:27.pressure put on the government, certainly around health. Do you

:49:27. > :49:33.think we will see a change in priority? Clearly the Conservative

:49:33. > :49:36.position in this is it once more commitment to the health Budget.

:49:36. > :49:42.There are huge problems all across Britain but in Wales the Budget has

:49:42. > :49:50.actually fallen inhalation to help. The feeling is that should increase.

:49:50. > :49:54.The Conservatives have been silent on that front. That is a point that

:49:54. > :50:00.you will always have that the government have to prepare the

:50:00. > :50:04.Budget but in agreement with opposition parties. In Wales, they

:50:04. > :50:11.are talking to Plaid Cymru and the Liberal Democrats. There are things

:50:11. > :50:18.wanted by the other parties and there will be a negotiation. If

:50:18. > :50:21.there was a negotiation with the Conservatives, not that there would

:50:21. > :50:27.be, it would have to be around health. Nick Servini was saying that

:50:27. > :50:33.he may be able to get the Liberal Democrats and Plaid Cymru behind him

:50:33. > :50:39.to deflect any criticism when the cuts come in, that they are not just

:50:39. > :50:43.put on Labour. It has to do with either Plaid Cymru or liberal

:50:43. > :50:47.democrats or both. The suggestion is that it will be with both of them.

:50:47. > :50:51.If that is the case, we must commit to the fact that there has to be a

:50:51. > :50:57.Budget and there has to be a balanced Budget as well. Normally,

:50:57. > :51:00.these negotiations are somewhere between 25 and £15 million of that

:51:00. > :51:04.Budget. They really enable an opposition party to say that they

:51:04. > :51:09.have been able to achieve this or that. From the Labour side, they

:51:09. > :51:15.want the overall Budget but a very difficult Budget because there will

:51:15. > :51:24.be something like half a billion pounds worth of cuts in the next few

:51:24. > :51:27.years. It will jobs and services in a way we have not seen before. It

:51:27. > :51:35.has hit England Adley already. Many jobs have gone in many core

:51:36. > :51:41.services. How do you as a Labour politician... Your tragic keep

:51:41. > :51:48.services open in your constituency, how will you defend Council cuts?

:51:48. > :51:51.The only way you can do it is say you have so much money to spend that

:51:51. > :51:59.we have to prioritise to ensure that the most honourable and the most

:51:59. > :52:07.needy... Will you be labelling Glenn and his colleagues in Westminster?

:52:07. > :52:12.Not him personally! These are Tory cuts that the Welsh government has

:52:12. > :52:14.to impose, which affects local government and we will have to

:52:14. > :52:26.translate that into services will stop it is a consistent message from

:52:26. > :52:29.Labour. It will always will be. There needs to be more financial

:52:29. > :52:34.accountability in the world government. That is critical. When

:52:34. > :52:39.will that happen? I am in favour of it. We are waiting for a response

:52:39. > :52:42.from the UK government and hopefully it will be debated in this

:52:42. > :52:48.Parliament. We will have to wait and see. The key thing is... What is

:52:48. > :52:52.happening is that the governor did is overspending at Westminster. The

:52:52. > :52:58.consequences come to Wales. The early way we can get the Connolly

:52:58. > :53:01.back on its feet -- the economy back on its feet is to compromise. That

:53:01. > :53:05.is what keeps the Coalition together. The economy needs to get

:53:05. > :53:10.back on track. We have had some pretty good news. Do not continue

:53:10. > :53:16.with the strategy George Osborne has set out when he became Chancellor

:53:16. > :53:21.would be absolute madness. We will have to leave it there for now. Time

:53:21. > :53:31.for a quick look back at some of the political stories of the week in six

:53:31. > :53:37.T seconds. -- 60 seconds. Economy Minister refused to answer

:53:37. > :53:40.questions about the £50 million life science fun. She did not want to

:53:40. > :53:47.prejudice the enquiry by the audit office. She is examining the money

:53:47. > :53:56.being raised twice themselves Company.

:53:56. > :54:01.Conservative Assembly leader said that more transfer of powers to

:54:01. > :54:09.leaders in Cardiff Bay could lead to a post in the Cabinet. Building

:54:09. > :54:15.regulations are said to be worse than in England and plans to build

:54:15. > :54:19.homes with this Bangla system were bizarre. And a group that unpaid

:54:19. > :54:24.unsuccessfully to shave the Chartist mural have asked if they can have

:54:24. > :54:29.the bits of the most eight that the pixie 1839 uprising so they can

:54:29. > :54:36.piece it together again. It was demolished for a shopping centre.

:54:36. > :54:40.We may come onto the Newport mosaic but what is your response to the

:54:40. > :54:47.suggestion that we said scrap the Welsh Secretary? I just people would

:54:47. > :54:52.stop talking about the swagger I just wish people would stop talking

:54:52. > :54:55.about major changes without thought. If we take the Secretary of State

:54:55. > :54:58.for Wales away, we lose a major voice for Wales in the Cabinet. At

:54:58. > :55:02.some stage, we need to look at the Gaza Jewish and of the UK but I

:55:02. > :55:08.don't think this piecemeal mechanism is the way to do it. It was

:55:08. > :55:15.suggested that more powers will come down. I'm sure the David Jones was

:55:15. > :55:26.not pleased about this. We may discuss this in passing. What will

:55:26. > :55:33.he have to say about it? What about if more powers come down? It is

:55:33. > :55:38.about how far this goes. Having a Welsh Secretary around the Cabinet

:55:38. > :55:43.will be of benefit to Wales and I'm in favour of it. We saw the dig is

:55:43. > :55:49.moving in to take down the Chartist mosaic. I issue me were not in

:55:49. > :55:53.favour of that? I don't know all of the details but we should be very

:55:53. > :55:58.careful before we scrap any part of our cultural history. I feel a

:55:58. > :56:01.degree of sadness when I see that. It is terribly sad because the whole

:56:01. > :56:08.Chartist history is so much part of Wales was macro early industrial

:56:08. > :56:13.history. What a hope for now is something as good or better that

:56:13. > :56:18.maintains that record. It is about the whole of South Wales. That is

:56:18. > :56:20.the promise from the council, that there will be another tribute

:56:21. > :56:30.somewhere else and this is due. Let us look to the week ahead. --

:56:30. > :56:34.somewhere else in Newport. I will be representing Wales, read presenting

:56:34. > :56:37.the regional interests, tried to influence policies going through

:56:37. > :56:42.Europe, specifically as they affect Wales, so a lot of stuff there,

:56:42. > :56:51.environmental issues, employment issues and youth guarantee issues.

:56:51. > :56:53.We have a very complex lobbying and transparency Bill and I have a

:56:53. > :56:58.question for the premised on Wednesday. We shall keep our ayes

:56:58. > :57:01.peeled for that. That is all we have time for this

:57:01. > :57:03.week was a blur does head back to Andrew in London and will be back

:57:03. > :57:05.next week. Goodbye. Andrew in London and will be back

:57:05. > :57:05.We are getting into a discussion of more

:57:05. > :57:06.We are getting into a discussion of more affordable homes

:57:06. > :57:06.We are getting into a discussion of more affordable homes needed,

:57:06. > :57:07.We are getting into a discussion of more affordable homes needed, but we

:57:07. > :57:08.have no more affordable homes needed, but we

:57:08. > :57:09.have no time. Andrew, back to more affordable homes needed, but we

:57:09. > :57:20.have no time. Andrew, back to you. Our next guest is no stranger to

:57:20. > :57:42.controversy, a former UKIP MEP he recently lost his party's whip after

:57:42. > :57:42.a series of outbursts including describing

:57:42. > :57:43.a series of outbursts including describing foreign countries

:57:43. > :57:43.receiving aid describing foreign countries

:57:43. > :57:44.receiving aid as 'Bongo Bongo Land' describing foreign countries

:57:44. > :57:44.receiving aid as 'Bongo Bongo describing foreign countries

:57:44. > :57:46.and joking that a group describing foreign countries

:57:46. > :57:46.and joking that a group of UKIP women who

:57:46. > :57:47.and joking that a group of UKIP women who didn't clean behind their

:57:47. > :57:47.and joking that a group of UKIP women who didn't clean behind their

:57:47. > :57:49.fridges were 'sluts'. Now he women who didn't clean behind their

:57:49. > :57:49.fridges were 'sluts'. Now he sits in the European

:57:49. > :57:50.fridges were 'sluts'. Now he sits in the European Parliament as an

:57:50. > :57:50.independent the European Parliament as an

:57:50. > :57:52.independent but remains a UKIP the European Parliament as an

:57:52. > :57:53.independent but remains a UKIP party member. Here's a flavour of

:57:53. > :57:53.independent but remains a UKIP party member. Here's a flavour of recent

:57:53. > :57:55.events member. Here's a flavour of recent

:57:55. > :57:55.events in the political life of Godfrey Bloom.

:57:55. > :58:03.events in the political life of Godfrey Bloom. How you can possibly

:58:03. > :58:10.be Godfrey Bloom. How you can possibly

:58:10. > :58:10.be giving £1 million a month... Bongo Bongo

:58:10. > :58:13.be giving £1 million a month... Bongo Bongo Land. I got 6000 e-mails

:58:13. > :58:13.within Bongo Bongo Land. I got 6000 e-mails

:58:13. > :58:13.within 12 hours, Bongo Bongo Land. I got 6000 e-mails

:58:13. > :58:15.within 12 hours, only 47 were Bongo Bongo Land. I got 6000 e-mails

:58:15. > :58:16.within 12 hours, only 47 were not Bongo Bongo Land. I got 6000 e-mails

:58:16. > :58:16.agreeing with within 12 hours, only 47 were not

:58:16. > :58:17.agreeing with me so within 12 hours, only 47 were not

:58:17. > :58:17.agreeing with me so you are within 12 hours, only 47 were not

:58:17. > :58:18.agreeing with me so you are the one within 12 hours, only 47 were not

:58:18. > :58:19.agreeing with me so you are the one that is out of

:58:19. > :58:20.agreeing with me so you are the one that is out of touch. Everybody

:58:20. > :58:23.knows me, a bit like that is out of touch. Everybody

:58:23. > :58:23.knows me, a bit like the Marmite joke,

:58:23. > :58:25.knows me, a bit like the Marmite joke, they love me or they hate

:58:25. > :58:26.knows me, a bit like the Marmite joke, they love me or they hate me

:58:26. > :58:26.but I joke, they love me or they hate me

:58:26. > :58:27.but I have always told joke, they love me or they hate me

:58:27. > :58:27.but I have always told me like it joke, they love me or they hate me

:58:27. > :58:30.but I have always told me like it is. I made a

:58:30. > :58:31.but I have always told me like it is. I made a joke and

:58:31. > :58:36.but I have always told me like it is. I made a joke and said that

:58:36. > :58:38.women who did not clean is. I made a joke and said that

:58:38. > :58:38.women who did not clean behind the French

:58:38. > :58:39.women who did not clean behind the French were sluts and

:58:39. > :58:40.women who did not clean behind the French were sluts and everybody

:58:40. > :58:43.laughed along, including the French were sluts and everybody

:58:43. > :58:44.laughed along, including the women. I have had hundreds of e-mails,

:58:44. > :58:46.laughed along, including the women. I have had hundreds of e-mails,

:58:46. > :58:47.saying, God Almighty, I have had hundreds of e-mails,

:58:47. > :58:48.saying, God Almighty, can't you I have had hundreds of e-mails,

:58:48. > :58:49.saying, God Almighty, can't you make a joke any more? I am

:58:49. > :58:51.saying, God Almighty, can't you make a joke any more? I am long in the

:58:51. > :58:53.tooth now to do a joke any more? I am long in the

:58:53. > :58:54.tooth now to do political correctness and

:58:54. > :58:54.tooth now to do political correctness and I understand

:58:54. > :58:54.tooth now to do political correctness and I understand UKIP

:58:54. > :58:56.have moved on and they are correctness and I understand UKIP

:58:56. > :58:56.have moved on and they are doing well,

:58:57. > :58:57.have moved on and they are doing well, and I

:58:57. > :59:10.have moved on and they are doing well, and I wish them well. This,

:59:10. > :59:10.with no black faces on it. You are picking

:59:10. > :59:11.with no black faces on it. You are picking people out

:59:11. > :59:11.with no black faces on it. You are picking people out for the

:59:11. > :59:12.with no black faces on it. You are picking people out for the colour of

:59:12. > :59:12.with no black faces on it. You are picking people out for the colour of

:59:12. > :59:12.with no black faces on it. You are their skin? You

:59:12. > :59:14.with no black faces on it. You are their skin? You disgust me!

:59:14. > :59:16.with no black faces on it. You are their skin? You disgust me! Perhaps

:59:17. > :59:17.the way their skin? You disgust me! Perhaps

:59:17. > :59:17.the way they are doing their skin? You disgust me! Perhaps

:59:17. > :59:19.the way they are doing things now their skin? You disgust me! Perhaps

:59:19. > :59:21.the way they are doing things now is not the way I do things.

:59:21. > :59:21.the way they are doing things now is not the way I do things. You

:59:21. > :59:21.disgrace not the way I do things. You

:59:21. > :59:25.disgrace me. We are not the way I do things. You

:59:25. > :59:25.disgrace me. We are joined now with a

:59:25. > :59:27.disgrace me. We are joined now with a suitable distance between us by

:59:27. > :59:28.the a suitable distance between us by

:59:28. > :59:31.the independent MEP for a suitable distance between us by

:59:31. > :59:32.the independent MEP for Yorkshire and the

:59:32. > :59:34.the independent MEP for Yorkshire and the Humber, Godfrey Bloom. You

:59:34. > :59:37.said this and the Humber, Godfrey Bloom. You

:59:37. > :59:37.said this weekend that you have to be

:59:37. > :59:40.said this weekend that you have to be a complete sociopath to be in

:59:40. > :59:40.politics, are be a complete sociopath to be in

:59:40. > :59:48.politics, are you a be a complete sociopath to be in

:59:48. > :59:48.politics, are you a sociopath? No, I am just

:59:48. > :59:48.politics, are you a sociopath? No, I am just an ordinary

:59:49. > :59:50.politics, are you a sociopath? No, I am just an ordinary bloke from the

:59:50. > :59:50.rugby club am just an ordinary bloke from the

:59:50. > :59:50.rugby club likes to am just an ordinary bloke from the

:59:50. > :59:52.rugby club likes to tell it as it am just an ordinary bloke from the

:59:52. > :59:53.rugby club likes to tell it as it is. I did not come into

:59:53. > :59:55.rugby club likes to tell it as it is. I did not come into politics to

:59:55. > :59:56.rugby club likes to tell it as it save my country from the clutches of

:59:56. > :00:01.the awful, evil... That is why I save my country from the clutches of

:00:01. > :00:01.the awful, evil... That is why I am in politics,

:00:01. > :00:02.the awful, evil... That is why I am in politics, and that is

:00:02. > :00:02.the awful, evil... That is why I am in politics, and that is why

:00:02. > :00:03.the awful, evil... That is why I am in politics, and that is why I

:00:03. > :00:04.joined in politics, and that is why I

:00:04. > :00:04.joined UKIP, and I am still a member, and

:00:04. > :00:05.joined UKIP, and I am still a member, and I will

:00:05. > :00:06.joined UKIP, and I am still a member, and I will still be voting

:00:06. > :00:06.UKIP. member, and I will still be voting

:00:06. > :00:07.UKIP. GUI member, and I will still be voting

:00:07. > :00:11.UKIP. GUI except that your member, and I will still be voting

:00:11. > :00:13.UKIP. GUI except that your ability... Do you

:00:13. > :00:14.UKIP. GUI except that your ability... Do you accept that your

:00:15. > :00:16.behaviour spoiled the ability... Do you accept that your

:00:16. > :00:16.behaviour spoiled the UKIP conference?

:00:16. > :00:16.behaviour spoiled the UKIP conference? We were

:00:16. > :00:18.behaviour spoiled the UKIP conference? We were both born in

:00:18. > :00:19.behaviour spoiled the UKIP conference? We were both born in

:00:19. > :00:21.behaviour spoiled the UKIP same year, we are too old to

:00:21. > :00:22.behaviour spoiled the UKIP same year, we are too old to worry

:00:22. > :00:22.behaviour spoiled the UKIP about regrets.

:00:22. > :00:22.same year, we are too old to worry about regrets. Let's look

:00:22. > :00:25.same year, we are too old to worry about regrets. Let's look forward

:00:25. > :00:26.and see... Never mind about regrets. Let's look forward

:00:26. > :00:26.and see... Never mind the year about regrets. Let's look forward

:00:26. > :00:27.and see... Never mind the year I was about regrets. Let's look forward

:00:27. > :00:28.and see... Never mind the year I was born, what is

:00:28. > :00:29.and see... Never mind the year I was born, what is the answer to

:00:29. > :00:31.and see... Never mind the year I was born, what is the answer to my

:00:31. > :00:33.question? born, what is the answer to my

:00:34. > :00:34.question? I am in this for my country and

:00:34. > :00:34.question? I am in this for my country and intent to do the

:00:35. > :00:35.question? I am in this for my country and intent to do the best I

:00:35. > :00:35.question? I am in this for my country and intent to do the best I

:00:35. > :00:36.can, sitting at country and intent to do the best I

:00:36. > :00:37.can, sitting at my time as country and intent to do the best I

:00:37. > :00:38.can, sitting at my time as an independent for my country,

:00:38. > :00:39.can, sitting at my time as an independent for my country, and that

:00:39. > :00:41.will involve getting UKIP will involve getting UKIP

:00:41. > :00:41.re-elected. They are will involve getting UKIP

:00:41. > :00:43.re-elected. They are the only will involve getting UKIP

:00:43. > :00:43.re-elected. They are the only game in town,

:00:43. > :00:45.re-elected. They are the only game in town, the only party that will

:00:45. > :00:48.get as in town, the only party that will

:00:48. > :00:49.get as out. Shouldn't you have been more careful and not

:00:49. > :00:50.get as out. Shouldn't you have been more careful and not become a

:00:50. > :00:50.get as out. Shouldn't you have been more careful and not become a

:00:50. > :00:50.liability? You more careful and not become a

:00:50. > :00:54.liability? You hijacked the more careful and not become a

:00:54. > :00:56.liability? You hijacked the party conference. That is a matter of

:00:56. > :00:58.perception. We have conference. That is a matter of

:00:58. > :00:58.perception. We have heard nothing in the

:00:58. > :00:59.perception. We have heard nothing in the last two years

:00:59. > :01:00.perception. We have heard nothing in the last two years but it is

:01:00. > :01:03.perception. We have heard nothing in the last two years but it is a

:01:03. > :01:03.one-man band, a Nigel Farage party, and I can

:01:03. > :01:04.one-man band, a Nigel Farage party, and I can make a

:01:04. > :01:05.one-man band, a Nigel Farage party, and I can make a joke at a

:01:05. > :01:05.one-man band, a Nigel Farage party, and I can make a joke at a fringe

:01:05. > :01:05.meeting and I can make a joke at a fringe

:01:05. > :01:06.meeting and collapse and I can make a joke at a fringe

:01:06. > :01:06.meeting and collapse the whole thing.

:01:06. > :01:08.meeting and collapse the whole thing. This doesn't say anything

:01:08. > :01:09.meeting and collapse the whole thing. This doesn't say anything

:01:09. > :01:12.about me or anything about thing. This doesn't say anything

:01:12. > :01:16.about me or anything about UKIP, Andrew. It tells you about your

:01:16. > :01:16.profession, the profession of journalism,

:01:16. > :01:17.profession, the profession of journalism, it is all about

:01:17. > :01:18.journalism - it journalism, it is all about

:01:18. > :01:19.journalism - it is not journalism, it is all about

:01:19. > :01:21.journalism - it is not about UKIP or me, it was the

:01:21. > :01:23.journalism - it is not about UKIP or me, it was the journalists' reaction

:01:23. > :01:23.to a small me, it was the journalists' reaction

:01:23. > :01:26.to a small joke at a meeting. me, it was the journalists' reaction

:01:26. > :01:29.to a small joke at a meeting. And also Nigel Farage's reaction - is

:01:29. > :01:30.to a small joke at a meeting. And also Nigel Farage's reaction - is

:01:30. > :01:31.UKIP a one-man party? also Nigel Farage's reaction - is

:01:31. > :01:37.UKIP a one-man party? I do not have caused all this was by

:01:37. > :01:40.myself, unless I had a commended. Personality, the most unbelievable

:01:40. > :01:40.myself, unless I had a commended. Personality, the most unbelievable

:01:40. > :01:40.force of Personality, the most unbelievable

:01:40. > :01:43.force of personality to collapse Personality, the most unbelievable

:01:43. > :01:43.force of personality to collapse a party

:01:43. > :01:54.force of personality to collapse a party conference. Nigel Farage has

:01:54. > :01:54.force of personality to collapse a party conference. Nigel Farage has

:01:54. > :01:56.force of personality to collapse a been a friend of mine for 20 years,

:01:56. > :01:56.and been a friend of mine for 20 years,

:01:56. > :01:59.and may I been a friend of mine for 20 years,

:01:59. > :01:59.and may I remind you that in June and July UK

:01:59. > :02:00.and may I remind you that in June and July UK was slipping in the

:02:00. > :02:00.and may I remind you that in June and July UK was slipping in the

:02:00. > :02:01.polls, and and July UK was slipping in the

:02:01. > :02:03.polls, and when I made my and July UK was slipping in the

:02:03. > :02:06.polls, and when I made my statement about overseas aid, we went back to

:02:06. > :02:08.polls, and when I made my statement about overseas aid, we went back to

:02:08. > :02:09.18%? I am not an electoral liability, I never

:02:09. > :02:09.18%? I am not an electoral liability, I never was,

:02:09. > :02:10.18%? I am not an electoral liability, I never was, I am

:02:10. > :02:10.18%? I am not an electoral liability, I never was, I am a vote

:02:10. > :02:10.getter. liability, I never was, I am a vote

:02:10. > :02:12.getter. As you liability, I never was, I am a vote

:02:12. > :02:14.getter. As you know, there is liability, I never was, I am a vote

:02:14. > :02:14.getter. As you know, there is a difference

:02:14. > :02:15.getter. As you know, there is a difference between cause and

:02:15. > :02:17.correlation, but difference between cause and

:02:17. > :02:17.correlation, but let me show you what

:02:17. > :02:17.correlation, but let me show you what Nigel Farage

:02:17. > :02:18.correlation, but let me show you what Nigel Farage had to

:02:18. > :02:18.correlation, but let me show you what Nigel Farage had to say about

:02:18. > :02:18.you what Nigel Farage had to say about

:02:18. > :02:21.you on the BBC. what Nigel Farage had to say about

:02:21. > :02:21.you on the BBC. Let's blunder clip of

:02:21. > :02:22.you on the BBC. Let's blunder clip of that. We

:02:22. > :02:22.you on the BBC. Let's blunder clip of that. We are not

:02:22. > :02:23.you on the BBC. Let's blunder clip of that. We are not here to win

:02:23. > :02:23.you on the BBC. Let's blunder clip of that. We are not here to win

:02:23. > :02:23.friends amongst of that. We are not here to win

:02:24. > :02:28.friends amongst the liberal elite, of that. We are not here to win

:02:28. > :02:30.friends amongst the liberal elite, and Godfrey's problem was that

:02:30. > :02:30.friends amongst the liberal elite, and Godfrey's problem was that he

:02:30. > :02:31.was making comments and Godfrey's problem was that he

:02:31. > :02:31.was making comments about women, and Godfrey's problem was that he

:02:31. > :02:32.was making comments about women, and and Godfrey's problem was that he

:02:32. > :02:34.that is was making comments about women, and

:02:34. > :02:36.that is not part of the party manifesto. Don't you need

:02:36. > :02:37.that is not part of the party manifesto. Don't you need to reflect

:02:37. > :02:39.that you are too outrageous, manifesto. Don't you need to reflect

:02:39. > :02:41.that you are too outrageous, too politically incorrect even for

:02:41. > :02:41.that you are too outrageous, too politically incorrect even for UKIP?

:02:41. > :02:42.Well, you see, politically incorrect even for UKIP?

:02:42. > :02:43.Well, you see, to a politically incorrect even for UKIP?

:02:43. > :02:44.Well, you see, to a certain extent politically incorrect even for UKIP?

:02:44. > :02:47.Well, you see, to a certain extent I politically incorrect even for UKIP?

:02:47. > :02:50.have been gagged on other subjects. I am a libertarian, I wanted to talk

:02:50. > :02:51.about flat I am a libertarian, I wanted to talk

:02:51. > :02:51.about flat tax. I thought David Aronowitz

:02:51. > :02:52.about flat tax. I thought David Aronowitz wrote a

:02:52. > :02:53.about flat tax. I thought David Aronowitz wrote a very good piece in

:02:53. > :02:54.the Aronowitz wrote a very good piece in

:02:54. > :02:54.the times on Aronowitz wrote a very good piece in

:02:54. > :02:56.the times on drugs, and I have been Aronowitz wrote a very good piece in

:02:56. > :02:56.the times on drugs, and I have been gagged to speak

:02:56. > :02:57.the times on drugs, and I have been gagged to speak about any of

:02:57. > :02:57.the times on drugs, and I have been gagged to speak about any of these

:02:57. > :02:57.the times on drugs, and I have been gagged to speak about any of these

:02:57. > :03:00.things because they are not part gagged to speak about any of these

:03:00. > :03:00.things because they are not part of it,

:03:00. > :03:01.things because they are not part of it, so I tend to speak

:03:01. > :03:01.things because they are not part of it, so I tend to speak about other

:03:01. > :03:02.things because they are not part of it, so I tend to speak about other

:03:02. > :03:04.things. Maybe they have it, so I tend to speak about other

:03:04. > :03:04.things. Maybe they have outgrown you,

:03:04. > :03:06.things. Maybe they have outgrown you, they want to be a more

:03:07. > :03:07.mainstream you, they want to be a more

:03:07. > :03:07.mainstream professional party machine,

:03:07. > :03:08.mainstream professional party machine, and they

:03:08. > :03:11.mainstream professional party machine, and they have to get rid of

:03:11. > :03:13.the Victor Meldrew wing. machine, and they have to get rid of

:03:13. > :03:13.the Victor Meldrew wing. You might have

:03:13. > :03:15.the Victor Meldrew wing. You might have a point, but I am

:03:15. > :03:15.the Victor Meldrew wing. You might have a point, but I am speaking to

:03:16. > :03:16.you have a point, but I am speaking to

:03:16. > :03:16.you from Hull, and have a point, but I am speaking to

:03:16. > :03:17.you from Hull, and if you look have a point, but I am speaking to

:03:17. > :03:20.you from Hull, and if you look at our results in Rotherham and

:03:20. > :03:20.you from Hull, and if you look at our results in Rotherham and

:03:20. > :03:21.Barnsley, and very recently in our results in Rotherham and

:03:21. > :03:22.Barnsley, and very recently in Scarborough and Whitby

:03:22. > :03:23.Barnsley, and very recently in Scarborough and Whitby in the buy

:03:23. > :03:23.Barnsley, and very recently in Scarborough and Whitby in the buy

:03:23. > :03:26.legends, 25%, so how Scarborough and Whitby in the buy

:03:26. > :03:26.legends, 25%, so how you see things in the

:03:26. > :03:27.legends, 25%, so how you see things in the bubble, it is

:03:27. > :03:27.legends, 25%, so how you see things in the bubble, it is not like

:03:28. > :03:28.legends, 25%, so how you see things in the bubble, it is not like how we

:03:28. > :03:29.see it in the bubble, it is not like how we

:03:29. > :03:29.see it appear in in the bubble, it is not like how we

:03:29. > :03:30.see it appear in Yorkshire. You look in the bubble, it is not like how we

:03:30. > :03:31.see it appear in Yorkshire. You look like the

:03:31. > :03:31.see it appear in Yorkshire. You look like the one who was

:03:31. > :03:32.see it appear in Yorkshire. You look like the one who was sitting in

:03:32. > :03:32.see it appear in Yorkshire. You look like the one who was sitting in a

:03:32. > :03:35.bubble! Is like the one who was sitting in a

:03:35. > :03:38.bubble! Is UKIP unravelling? Of course it isn't, we are getting 24%

:03:38. > :03:38.bubble! Is UKIP unravelling? Of course it isn't, we are getting 24%

:03:38. > :03:38.of the vote course it isn't, we are getting 24%

:03:38. > :03:41.of the vote in course it isn't, we are getting 24%

:03:41. > :03:41.of the vote in by-elections, of course it is

:03:41. > :03:42.of the vote in by-elections, of course it is not. Boy,

:03:42. > :03:42.of the vote in by-elections, of course it is not. Boy, wouldn't the

:03:42. > :03:46.main parties and the course it is not. Boy, wouldn't the

:03:46. > :03:46.main parties and the establishment love to

:03:46. > :03:48.main parties and the establishment love to see that! But I am sorry,

:03:48. > :03:48.main parties and the establishment love to see that! But I am sorry, it

:03:48. > :03:52.is not happening. love to see that! But I am sorry, it

:03:52. > :03:55.is not happening. Will you stand as an independence against UKIP in the

:03:55. > :03:59.European elections? Almost certainly not, although by

:03:59. > :03:59.European elections? Almost certainly not, although by no political

:04:00. > :04:00.European elections? Almost certainly not, although by no political

:04:00. > :04:02.support is not, although by no political

:04:02. > :04:02.support is ephemeral, if the elections were next

:04:02. > :04:03.support is ephemeral, if the elections were next week, I

:04:03. > :04:03.support is ephemeral, if the elections were next week, I could

:04:03. > :04:04.assure you I would elections were next week, I could

:04:04. > :04:05.assure you I would win the elections were next week, I could

:04:05. > :04:05.assure you I would win the seat. I do

:04:05. > :04:05.assure you I would win the seat. I do not think

:04:05. > :04:07.assure you I would win the seat. I do not think I will go that

:04:07. > :04:08.assure you I would win the seat. I do not think I will go that route.

:04:08. > :04:08.Will you do not think I will go that route.

:04:08. > :04:09.Will you stand as a do not think I will go that route.

:04:10. > :04:10.Will you stand as a UKIP do not think I will go that route.

:04:10. > :04:13.Will you stand as a UKIP candidate again? We do not know, probably not,

:04:13. > :04:13.but I again? We do not know, probably not,

:04:13. > :04:15.but I shall certainly again? We do not know, probably not,

:04:15. > :04:15.but I shall certainly be trying to help

:04:15. > :04:17.but I shall certainly be trying to help UKIP as best I can.

:04:17. > :04:17.but I shall certainly be trying to help UKIP as best I can. You both

:04:17. > :04:18.but I shall certainly be trying to help UKIP as best I can. You both

:04:18. > :04:20.share a flat, help UKIP as best I can. You both

:04:20. > :04:20.share a flat, I understand, in Brussels,

:04:20. > :04:21.share a flat, I understand, in Brussels, neither of

:04:21. > :04:21.share a flat, I understand, in Brussels, neither of you clean

:04:21. > :04:25.behind the Brussels, neither of you clean

:04:25. > :04:25.behind the fridge. Other than the fact that

:04:25. > :04:26.behind the fridge. Other than the fact that the place is probably

:04:26. > :04:28.quite murky, fact that the place is probably

:04:28. > :04:29.quite murky, you have got a chance to talk to

:04:29. > :04:29.quite murky, you have got a chance to talk to each other and

:04:29. > :04:30.quite murky, you have got a chance to talk to each other and get back

:04:30. > :04:32.into his good graces, haven't you? to talk to each other and get back

:04:32. > :04:32.into his good graces, haven't you? I am sure

:04:32. > :04:33.into his good graces, haven't you? I am sure we will be having

:04:33. > :04:34.into his good graces, haven't you? I am sure we will be having a beer

:04:34. > :04:34.into his good graces, haven't you? I am sure we will be having a beer

:04:34. > :04:36.before the month is am sure we will be having a beer

:04:36. > :04:37.before the month is out. So Godfrey before the month is out. So Godfrey

:04:37. > :04:39.Bloom will soon be back in before the month is out. So Godfrey

:04:39. > :04:44.Bloom will soon be back in UKIP, we take it? For those of you who were

:04:44. > :04:44.not watching take it? For those of you who were

:04:44. > :04:45.not watching there, he just take it? For those of you who were

:04:45. > :04:47.not watching there, he just shrugged! Thank you very much for

:04:48. > :04:48.joining. shrugged! Thank you very much for

:04:48. > :04:49.joining. A great pleasure. shrugged! Thank you very much for

:04:49. > :04:50.joining. A great pleasure. I will shrugged! Thank you very much for

:04:50. > :04:50.joining. A great pleasure. I will have to

:04:50. > :04:56.joining. A great pleasure. I will have to move my own share, you do

:04:56. > :04:56.not have the sea Jeremy Paxman doing that!

:04:56. > :04:57.not have the sea Jeremy Paxman doing that! Nobody votes for

:04:57. > :04:58.not have the sea Jeremy Paxman doing that! Nobody votes for UKIP because

:04:58. > :05:00.they think they are a smooth, slick, that! Nobody votes for UKIP because

:05:00. > :05:01.they think they are a smooth, that! Nobody votes for UKIP because

:05:01. > :05:03.professional party. If that! Nobody votes for UKIP because

:05:03. > :05:03.professional party. If anything, the absence

:05:04. > :05:04.professional party. If anything, the absence of PR

:05:04. > :05:05.professional party. If anything, the absence of PR polish is the reason

:05:05. > :05:06.for their absence of PR polish is the reason

:05:06. > :05:07.for their popularity, so these are absence of PR polish is the reason

:05:07. > :05:08.for their popularity, so these are skirmishes are not a problem,

:05:08. > :05:09.for their popularity, so these are skirmishes are not a problem, and

:05:09. > :05:10.more than that, Godfrey Bloom does skirmishes are not a problem, and

:05:11. > :05:11.more than that, Godfrey Bloom skirmishes are not a problem, and

:05:11. > :05:13.make Nigel Farage look skirmishes are not a problem, and

:05:13. > :05:13.make Nigel Farage look better. Even in

:05:13. > :05:15.make Nigel Farage look better. Even in that clip from Andrew Marr,

:05:15. > :05:15.make Nigel Farage look better. Even in that clip from Andrew Marr, he

:05:15. > :05:15.looked in that clip from Andrew Marr, he

:05:15. > :05:18.looked more statesman-like in in that clip from Andrew Marr, he

:05:18. > :05:19.juxtaposition with someone in that clip from Andrew Marr, he

:05:19. > :05:19.juxtaposition with someone like Godfrey Bloom

:05:19. > :05:20.juxtaposition with someone like Godfrey Bloom than he has done

:05:20. > :05:20.juxtaposition with someone like Godfrey Bloom than he has done

:05:20. > :05:23.before. I mean, Godfrey Bloom than he has done

:05:23. > :05:23.before. I mean, he did hijacked the conference,

:05:23. > :05:25.before. I mean, he did hijacked the conference, it was a disaster,

:05:25. > :05:26.before. I mean, he did hijacked the conference, it was a disaster, they

:05:26. > :05:26.got conference, it was a disaster, they

:05:26. > :05:27.got tonnes of publicity but not the conference, it was a disaster, they

:05:27. > :05:28.got tonnes of publicity but not the kind they

:05:28. > :05:28.got tonnes of publicity but not the kind they wanted. But you have to

:05:28. > :05:29.got tonnes of publicity but not the kind they wanted. But you have

:05:29. > :05:29.got tonnes of publicity but not the say he

:05:29. > :05:31.kind they wanted. But you have to say he does actor

:05:31. > :05:31.kind they wanted. But you have to say he does actor for the

:05:31. > :05:31.kind they wanted. But you have to say he does actor for the

:05:31. > :05:35.journalists. I thought he was say he does actor for the

:05:35. > :05:35.journalists. I thought he was sexist say he does actor for the

:05:35. > :05:35.long before journalists. I thought he was sexist

:05:36. > :05:36.long before anyone else, journalists. I thought he was sexist

:05:36. > :05:37.long before anyone else, he used to journalists. I thought he was sexist

:05:37. > :05:37.long before anyone else, he used to have an

:05:37. > :05:38.long before anyone else, he used to have an incredible page on

:05:38. > :05:39.long before anyone else, he used to have an incredible page on his

:05:39. > :05:42.website entitled Godfrey Bloom: have an incredible page on his

:05:42. > :05:42.website entitled Godfrey Bloom: Misogynist, and the

:05:43. > :05:44.website entitled Godfrey Bloom: Misogynist, and the proof that he

:05:44. > :05:46.was not was that he was Misogynist, and the proof that he

:05:46. > :05:46.was not was that he was once photographed with

:05:46. > :05:47.was not was that he was once photographed with a girls' rugby

:05:47. > :05:47.team, photographed with a girls' rugby

:05:48. > :05:48.team, and we photographed with a girls' rugby

:05:48. > :05:50.team, and we lived for those photographed with a girls' rugby

:05:50. > :05:50.team, and we lived for those characters in politics.

:05:50. > :05:51.team, and we lived for those characters in politics. He does make

:05:51. > :05:54.Nigel Farage look characters in politics. He does make

:05:54. > :05:54.Nigel Farage look better, but is sin was

:05:54. > :05:55.Nigel Farage look better, but is sin was to say things you said

:05:55. > :05:58.Nigel Farage look better, but is sin was to say things you said before

:05:58. > :05:58.but to ruin the party conference. It sounds like he

:05:58. > :05:59.but to ruin the party conference. It sounds like he is coming back.

:05:59. > :06:02.but to ruin the party conference. It sounds like he is coming back. A

:06:02. > :06:02.beer in sounds like he is coming back. A

:06:02. > :06:03.beer in Brussels and he sounds like he is coming back. A

:06:03. > :06:03.beer in Brussels and he will be sounds like he is coming back. A

:06:04. > :06:04.beer in Brussels and he will be back on the

:06:04. > :06:04.beer in Brussels and he will be back on the UKIP ticket.

:06:04. > :06:07.beer in Brussels and he will be back on the UKIP ticket. Sitting having a

:06:07. > :06:07.beer in on the UKIP ticket. Sitting having a

:06:07. > :06:08.beer in that built the on the UKIP ticket. Sitting having a

:06:08. > :06:08.beer in that built the Chechen, it on the UKIP ticket. Sitting having a

:06:09. > :06:09.beer in that built the Chechen, it sounds like

:06:09. > :06:09.beer in that built the Chechen, it sounds like it may be

:06:09. > :06:12.beer in that built the Chechen, it sounds like it may be what the deal

:06:12. > :06:12.is that sounds like it may be what the deal

:06:12. > :06:13.is that he comes back into sounds like it may be what the deal

:06:13. > :06:14.is that he comes back into UKIP but sounds like it may be what the deal

:06:14. > :06:16.is that he comes back into UKIP but does not stand as an MEP at the

:06:16. > :06:16.is that he comes back into UKIP but does not stand as an MEP at the

:06:16. > :06:19.European Parliamentary elections. does not stand as an MEP at the

:06:19. > :06:19.European Parliamentary elections. -- in that

:06:19. > :06:20.European Parliamentary elections. -- in that built the kitchen.

:06:20. > :06:21.European Parliamentary elections. -- in that built the kitchen. It is

:06:21. > :06:22.right to say in that built the kitchen. It is

:06:22. > :06:23.right to say the electorate are sophisticated and they know what

:06:23. > :06:25.this sophisticated and they know what

:06:25. > :06:27.this party is for, what characters it has. You did not need what

:06:27. > :06:28.Godfrey Bloom said for it has. You did not need what

:06:28. > :06:29.Godfrey Bloom said for people to it has. You did not need what

:06:29. > :06:30.Godfrey Bloom said for people to know he is sexist,

:06:30. > :06:31.Godfrey Bloom said for people to know he is sexist, and the

:06:31. > :06:33.electorate know what they go using know he is sexist, and the

:06:33. > :06:33.electorate know what they go using UKIP four.

:06:33. > :06:34.electorate know what they go using UKIP four. They are using it

:06:34. > :06:35.electorate know what they go using UKIP four. They are using it as the

:06:35. > :06:35.vehicle UKIP four. They are using it as the

:06:35. > :06:37.vehicle to beat UKIP four. They are using it as the

:06:37. > :06:38.vehicle to beat over the head the three

:06:38. > :06:38.vehicle to beat over the head the three established parties.

:06:38. > :06:39.vehicle to beat over the head the three established parties. They will

:06:39. > :06:40.probably do it in the three established parties. They will

:06:41. > :06:41.probably do it in the European elections and

:06:41. > :06:43.probably do it in the European elections and give them first place.

:06:43. > :06:44.The big question is elections and give them first place.

:06:44. > :06:45.The big question is what happens in the general

:06:45. > :06:54.The big question is what happens in the general election, and the

:06:54. > :06:54.problem that the general election, and the

:06:54. > :06:54.problem that Nigel Farage was the general election, and the

:06:54. > :06:55.problem that Nigel Farage was making the general election, and the

:06:55. > :06:55.an Andrew Marr this the general election, and the

:06:55. > :06:56.an Andrew Marr this morning is the general election, and the

:06:56. > :06:56.an Andrew Marr this morning is that he wants

:06:56. > :06:57.an Andrew Marr this morning is that he wants to copy the

:06:57. > :06:59.an Andrew Marr this morning is that he wants to copy the tactics of

:06:59. > :06:59.Paddy Ashdown, get elected and councils, build up

:06:59. > :07:00.Paddy Ashdown, get elected and councils, build up a Parliamentary

:07:00. > :07:00.base, and to councils, build up a Parliamentary

:07:00. > :07:00.base, and to do that councils, build up a Parliamentary

:07:00. > :07:01.base, and to do that you do need councils, build up a Parliamentary

:07:01. > :07:02.base, and to do that you do need discipline. MPs return to

:07:02. > :07:02.base, and to do that you do need discipline. MPs return to the

:07:02. > :07:02.Commons discipline. MPs return to the

:07:02. > :07:04.Commons next week, and there is a discipline. MPs return to the

:07:04. > :07:04.Commons next week, and there is a ministerial reshuffle on

:07:04. > :07:04.Commons next week, and there is a ministerial reshuffle on the cards,

:07:04. > :07:05.Commons next week, and there is a ministerial reshuffle on the cards,

:07:05. > :07:06.that is the ministerial reshuffle on the cards,

:07:06. > :07:08.that is the rumour in Westminster. David Cameron has spoken of

:07:08. > :07:08.that is the rumour in Westminster. David Cameron has spoken of the

:07:08. > :07:11.extraordinary talent pool David Cameron has spoken of the

:07:11. > :07:11.extraordinary talent pool of women among his

:07:11. > :07:12.extraordinary talent pool of women among his ministers, so

:07:12. > :07:12.extraordinary talent pool of women among his ministers, so could he

:07:12. > :07:12.extraordinary talent pool of women among his ministers, so could he

:07:12. > :07:12.bring among his ministers, so could he

:07:13. > :07:15.bring more of them into the among his ministers, so could he

:07:15. > :07:15.bring more of them into the cabinet? He was

:07:15. > :07:16.bring more of them into the cabinet? He was talking about it

:07:16. > :07:17.bring more of them into the cabinet? He was talking about it earlier this

:07:17. > :07:20.week. I think we are getting He was talking about it earlier this

:07:20. > :07:20.week. I think we are getting there in Britain,

:07:20. > :07:21.week. I think we are getting there in Britain, but we have a

:07:21. > :07:21.week. I think we are getting there in Britain, but we have a long way

:07:21. > :07:21.to in Britain, but we have a long way

:07:21. > :07:23.to go. If you in Britain, but we have a long way

:07:23. > :07:23.to go. If you look at the top businesses in

:07:23. > :07:25.to go. If you look at the top businesses in Britain, there are not

:07:25. > :07:26.nearly businesses in Britain, there are not

:07:26. > :07:26.nearly enough women in the boardroom.

:07:26. > :07:28.nearly enough women in the boardroom. If you look at politics

:07:28. > :07:28.in boardroom. If you look at politics

:07:28. > :07:29.in Britain, there boardroom. If you look at politics

:07:29. > :07:31.in Britain, there aren't nearly enough women around the

:07:31. > :07:32.in Britain, there aren't nearly enough women around the Cabinet

:07:32. > :07:32.table. enough women around the Cabinet

:07:32. > :07:34.table. So I think, enough women around the Cabinet

:07:34. > :07:36.table. So I think, in every walk of life, whether it is the judiciary,

:07:36. > :07:37.table. So I think, in every walk of life, whether it is the judiciary,

:07:37. > :07:38.whether it is politics, life, whether it is the judiciary,

:07:38. > :07:38.whether it is politics, business, there

:07:39. > :07:39.whether it is politics, business, there is a

:07:39. > :07:39.whether it is politics, business, there is a lot further

:07:39. > :07:40.whether it is politics, business, there is a lot further to go.

:07:40. > :07:41.whether it is politics, business, there is a lot further to go. Before

:07:41. > :07:42.the last election, there is a lot further to go. Before

:07:42. > :07:44.the last election, we only there is a lot further to go. Before

:07:44. > :07:44.the last election, we only had 19 women Members

:07:44. > :07:46.the last election, we only had 19 women Members of Parliament. We now

:07:46. > :07:46.have around 50, so women Members of Parliament. We now

:07:47. > :07:48.have around 50, so we have women Members of Parliament. We now

:07:48. > :07:48.have around 50, so we have made a big

:07:48. > :07:48.have around 50, so we have made a big change, but

:07:48. > :07:49.have around 50, so we have made a big change, but it is still

:07:49. > :07:50.have around 50, so we have made a big change, but it is still 50 out

:07:50. > :07:50.of 300, big change, but it is still 50 out

:07:50. > :07:53.of 300, not nearly enough. big change, but it is still 50 out

:07:53. > :07:53.of 300, not nearly enough. So we need to do

:07:53. > :07:55.of 300, not nearly enough. So we need to do more. My wife likes to

:07:55. > :07:59.say, if need to do more. My wife likes to

:07:59. > :07:59.say, if you don't have women in top places,

:07:59. > :07:59.say, if you don't have women in top places, you're not

:07:59. > :08:01.say, if you don't have women in top places, you're not just missing

:08:01. > :08:01.say, if you don't have women in top on 50% of

:08:01. > :08:02.say, if you don't have women in top on 50% of the talent, you

:08:02. > :08:02.say, if you don't have women in top on 50% of the talent, you are

:08:03. > :08:04.missing out on a lot more than 50% on 50% of the talent, you are

:08:04. > :08:04.missing out on a lot more than 50% of the talent,

:08:04. > :08:06.missing out on a lot more than 50% of the talent, and I think

:08:06. > :08:06.missing out on a lot more than 50% of the talent, and I think she

:08:06. > :08:07.missing out on a lot more than 50% probably has a

:08:07. > :08:10.missing out on a lot more than 50% probably has a point. The prime is

:08:10. > :08:10.missing out on a lot more than 50% probably has a point. The prime is

:08:10. > :08:11.that going for the women's probably has a point. The prime is

:08:12. > :08:12.that going for the women's vote. Is that going for the women's vote. Is

:08:12. > :08:15.there going to be a reshuffle? that going for the women's vote. Is

:08:15. > :08:16.there going to be a reshuffle? I think you are right to say

:08:16. > :08:17.there going to be a reshuffle? I think you are right to say there

:08:17. > :08:17.will be a lot think you are right to say there

:08:17. > :08:19.will be a lot more women, they think you are right to say there

:08:19. > :08:20.will be a lot more women, they need to change the ratio

:08:20. > :08:22.will be a lot more women, they need to change the ratio of women to men

:08:22. > :08:22.will be a lot more women, they need to change the ratio of women to men

:08:22. > :08:25.called Dave who went to change the ratio of women to men

:08:25. > :08:25.called Dave who went to maudlin to change the ratio of women to men

:08:25. > :08:32.called Dave who went to maudlin college. So obviously they are

:08:32. > :08:33.called Dave who went to maudlin college. So obviously they are not

:08:33. > :08:33.fishing in college. So obviously they are not

:08:33. > :08:33.fishing in the biggest college. So obviously they are not

:08:34. > :08:38.fishing in the biggest talent pool, college. So obviously they are not

:08:38. > :08:43.fishing in the biggest talent pool, but there are numbers. Esther McVey

:08:43. > :08:43.has but there are numbers. Esther McVey

:08:43. > :08:45.has been selling a very but there are numbers. Esther McVey

:08:45. > :08:45.has been selling a very difficult brief in

:08:45. > :08:46.has been selling a very difficult brief in work and pensions,

:08:46. > :08:46.has been selling a very difficult brief in work and pensions, you

:08:46. > :08:46.could brief in work and pensions, you

:08:46. > :08:48.could see people brief in work and pensions, you

:08:48. > :08:51.could see people being given bigger roles. Helen is pretty sure. We are

:08:51. > :08:51.could see people being given bigger roles. Helen is pretty sure. We are

:08:51. > :08:52.told it roles. Helen is pretty sure. We are

:08:52. > :08:52.told it is not a roles. Helen is pretty sure. We are

:08:52. > :08:55.told it is not a Cabinet roles. Helen is pretty sure. We are

:08:55. > :08:55.told it is not a Cabinet level reshuffle me

:08:55. > :08:56.told it is not a Cabinet level reshuffle me it is under Secretary

:08:56. > :08:58.level, so maybe you could put reshuffle me it is under Secretary

:08:58. > :08:58.level, so maybe you could put Esther McVey

:08:58. > :09:02.level, so maybe you could put Esther McVey into the Cabinet. Margot

:09:02. > :09:03.James, McVey into the Cabinet. Margot

:09:03. > :09:03.James, who you McVey into the Cabinet. Margot

:09:03. > :09:05.James, who you had here McVey into the Cabinet. Margot

:09:05. > :09:05.James, who you had here not that long

:09:05. > :09:06.James, who you had here not that long ago, she is

:09:06. > :09:07.James, who you had here not that long ago, she is very impressive.

:09:07. > :09:08.What is impressive long ago, she is very impressive.

:09:08. > :09:09.What is impressive is that some body long ago, she is very impressive.

:09:09. > :09:11.What is impressive is that some body like Andrea Leadsom, who is really

:09:11. > :09:11.What is impressive is that some body like Andrea Leadsom, who is really

:09:12. > :09:15.impressive, worked in the like Andrea Leadsom, who is really

:09:15. > :09:16.impressive, worked in the City, very smart, really big on

:09:16. > :09:16.impressive, worked in the City, very smart, really big on important

:09:17. > :09:18.impressive, worked in the City, very social issues like early is

:09:18. > :09:18.impressive, worked in the City, very social issues like early

:09:18. > :09:19.impressive, worked in the City, very intervention, she should

:09:19. > :09:20.impressive, worked in the City, very intervention, she should still be in

:09:20. > :09:20.there, intervention, she should still be in

:09:20. > :09:20.there, but she intervention, she should still be in

:09:21. > :09:22.there, but she fell out with intervention, she should still be in

:09:22. > :09:22.there, but she fell out with George Osborne when

:09:22. > :09:23.there, but she fell out with George Osborne when she dared to

:09:23. > :09:23.there, but she fell out with George Osborne when she dared to criticise

:09:23. > :09:24.him a few Osborne when she dared to criticise

:09:24. > :09:25.him a few years ago Osborne when she dared to criticise

:09:25. > :09:26.him a few years ago over Ed Balls Osborne when she dared to criticise

:09:26. > :09:26.him a few years ago over Ed Balls and the LIBOR

:09:26. > :09:31.him a few years ago over Ed Balls and the LIBOR so-called scandal. If

:09:31. > :09:33.you are doing it on talent, and the LIBOR so-called scandal. If

:09:33. > :09:33.you are doing it on talent, Andrea Leadsom should

:09:33. > :09:34.you are doing it on talent, Andrea Leadsom should have a senior

:09:34. > :09:34.you are doing it on talent, Andrea Leadsom should have a

:09:34. > :09:34.you are doing it on talent, Andrea position in government.

:09:34. > :09:36.you are doing it on talent, Andrea position in government. So

:09:37. > :09:37.expectation, position in government. So

:09:37. > :09:38.expectation, if he position in government. So

:09:38. > :09:40.expectation, if he does not do this now, a tonne of

:09:40. > :09:40.expectation, if he does not do this now, a tonne of bricks will

:09:40. > :09:41.expectation, if he does not do this now, a tonne of bricks will fall on

:09:41. > :09:42.him. He has now, a tonne of bricks will fall on

:09:42. > :09:44.him. He has got no excuse now, a tonne of bricks will fall on

:09:44. > :09:44.him. He has got no excuse not to promote

:09:44. > :09:45.him. He has got no excuse not to promote women, because the

:09:45. > :09:49.him. He has got no excuse not to promote women, because the 2010

:09:49. > :09:56.intake was disproportionately female intake was disproportionately female

:09:56. > :09:56.in terms of talent. The question of the

:09:56. > :09:57.in terms of talent. The question of the Tories and the struggle

:09:57. > :09:58.in terms of talent. The question of the Tories and the struggle with

:09:58. > :09:58.women voters the Tories and the struggle with

:09:58. > :10:00.women voters is a very deep the Tories and the struggle with

:10:00. > :10:00.women voters is a very deep and historic one.

:10:00. > :10:01.women voters is a very deep and historic one. You have to remember

:10:01. > :10:01.women voters is a very deep and historic one. You have to remember

:10:01. > :10:01.that for historic one. You have to remember

:10:01. > :10:03.that for most of the historic one. You have to remember

:10:03. > :10:04.that for most of the post-war period they had

:10:04. > :10:04.that for most of the post-war period they had an advantage electorally

:10:04. > :10:07.that for most of the post-war period they had an advantage electorally

:10:07. > :10:08.amongst women voters. Many times there would

:10:08. > :10:09.amongst women voters. Many times there would not have been a

:10:09. > :10:10.Conservative government without there would not have been a

:10:10. > :10:10.Conservative government without the women of

:10:10. > :10:11.Conservative government without the women of this country.

:10:11. > :10:13.Conservative government without the women of this country. This began to

:10:13. > :10:13.change in the women of this country. This began to

:10:13. > :10:14.change in the mid-1990s, and the women of this country. This began to

:10:14. > :10:15.change in the mid-1990s, and women of this country. This began to

:10:15. > :10:17.question is, why has that women of this country. This began to

:10:17. > :10:17.question is, why has that happened? Was it

:10:17. > :10:18.question is, why has that happened? Was it policy change,

:10:18. > :10:18.question is, why has that happened? Was it policy change, or the

:10:18. > :10:19.question is, why has that happened? Was it policy change, or the

:10:19. > :10:21.personalities at the top are now Was it policy change, or the

:10:21. > :10:21.personalities at the top are now much more

:10:21. > :10:22.personalities at the top are now much more hostile to

:10:22. > :10:22.personalities at the top are now much more hostile to women, or

:10:22. > :10:25.personalities at the top are now much more hostile to women, or less,

:10:26. > :10:26.personalities at the top are now Brent doubled

:10:26. > :10:26.personalities at the top are now Brent doubled to female

:10:26. > :10:27.personalities at the top are now Brent doubled to female voters? It

:10:27. > :10:27.is such Brent doubled to female voters? It

:10:27. > :10:28.is such a deep historical trend Brent doubled to female voters? It

:10:28. > :10:29.is such a deep historical trend that I do not think

:10:29. > :10:29.is such a deep historical trend that I do not think one reshuffle

:10:29. > :10:29.is such a deep historical trend that I do not think one reshuffle will

:10:29. > :10:29.change I do not think one reshuffle will

:10:29. > :10:35.change it. -- or I do not think one reshuffle will

:10:35. > :10:35.change it. -- or less competent civil.

:10:35. > :10:37.change it. -- or less competent civil. The English

:10:37. > :10:37.change it. -- or less competent civil. The English party conference

:10:38. > :10:38.change it. -- or less competent civil. The English party conference

:10:38. > :10:38.season is over, civil. The English party conference

:10:38. > :10:40.season is over, do you civil. The English party conference

:10:40. > :10:40.season is over, do you share the civil. The English party conference

:10:40. > :10:44.season is over, do you share the consensus view that Ed

:10:44. > :10:45.season is over, do you share the consensus view that Ed Miliband came

:10:45. > :10:45.out best consensus view that Ed Miliband came

:10:45. > :10:46.out best of the consensus view that Ed Miliband came

:10:46. > :10:47.out best of the three party consensus view that Ed Miliband came

:10:47. > :10:47.out best of the three party leaders? I

:10:47. > :10:49.out best of the three party leaders? I think I

:10:49. > :10:49.out best of the three party leaders? I think I probably do,

:10:49. > :10:49.out best of the three party leaders? I think I probably do, but his

:10:49. > :10:53.out best of the three party leaders? I think I probably do, but his

:10:53. > :10:56.overall approval ratings are still minus 20, whereas Cameron's minus

:10:56. > :10:58.ten. And the minus 20, whereas Cameron's minus

:10:58. > :10:58.ten. And the more the minus 20, whereas Cameron's minus

:10:58. > :10:59.ten. And the more the recovery seems minus 20, whereas Cameron's minus

:10:59. > :11:00.to take place, and some minus 20, whereas Cameron's minus

:11:00. > :11:01.to take place, and some of the minus 20, whereas Cameron's minus

:11:01. > :11:02.to take place, and some of the latest figures are

:11:02. > :11:02.to take place, and some of the latest figures are quite amazing,

:11:02. > :11:03.to take place, and some of the latest figures are quite amazing,

:11:03. > :11:03.they certainly latest figures are quite amazing,

:11:03. > :11:06.they certainly surprised me, latest figures are quite amazing,

:11:06. > :11:08.they certainly surprised me, you wonder whether Labour's tactic is

:11:08. > :11:09.right to put all their wonder whether Labour's tactic is

:11:09. > :11:10.right to put all their eggs into the wonder whether Labour's tactic is

:11:10. > :11:10.right to put all their eggs into the living standards

:11:10. > :11:11.right to put all their eggs into the living standards basket. I was

:11:11. > :11:14.right to put all their eggs into the living standards basket. I was

:11:14. > :11:17.looking at car sales, which are living standards basket. I was

:11:17. > :11:18.looking at car sales, which are booming. If people start

:11:18. > :11:18.looking at car sales, which are booming. If people start to feel

:11:18. > :11:19.looking at car sales, which are booming. If people start to

:11:19. > :11:19.looking at car sales, which are better, and they

:11:19. > :11:19.looking at car sales, which are better, and they don't yet,

:11:19. > :11:21.looking at car sales, which are better, and they don't yet, but if

:11:21. > :11:21.they were, better, and they don't yet, but if

:11:21. > :11:22.they were, it is tougher to better, and they don't yet, but if

:11:22. > :11:22.they were, it is tougher to go on better, and they don't yet, but if

:11:22. > :11:23.they were, it is tougher to go on about living standards.

:11:23. > :11:30.they were, it is tougher to go on about living standards. George

:11:30. > :11:30.they were, it is tougher to go on Osborne's... You

:11:30. > :11:30.about living standards. George Osborne's... You have Ed

:11:30. > :11:31.about living standards. George Osborne's... You have Ed Miliband

:11:31. > :11:32.making a great thing Osborne's... You have Ed Miliband

:11:32. > :11:34.making a great thing about living making a great thing about living

:11:34. > :11:34.standards, but then they say under their

:11:34. > :11:35.standards, but then they say under their breath, this

:11:35. > :11:35.standards, but then they say under their breath, this is global forces,

:11:35. > :11:37.standards, but then they say under their breath, this is global forces,

:11:37. > :11:39.which mean that their breath, this is global forces,

:11:39. > :11:40.which mean that inflation is outstripping wage increases.

:11:40. > :11:43.which mean that inflation is outstripping wage increases. And

:11:43. > :11:44.you're absolutely right, as the economy improves,

:11:44. > :11:45.you're absolutely right, as the economy improves, presumably that

:11:45. > :11:47.will be dealt economy improves, presumably that

:11:47. > :11:47.will be dealt with, but Miliband's argument

:11:47. > :11:48.will be dealt with, but Miliband's argument will be

:11:48. > :11:49.will be dealt with, but Miliband's argument will be that there are

:11:49. > :11:49.people argument will be that there are

:11:49. > :11:51.people suffering, and argument will be that there are

:11:51. > :11:51.people suffering, and even if the economy

:11:51. > :11:52.people suffering, and even if the economy recovers, they will

:11:52. > :11:52.people suffering, and even if the economy recovers, they will still

:11:52. > :11:54.struggle. But if it economy recovers, they will still

:11:54. > :11:56.struggle. But if it is global forces, it is difficult to blame the