:00:36. > :00:39.Morning, folks. Welcome to the Sunday Politics.
:00:40. > :00:42.Downing Street announces an inquiry into allegations of hardball tactics
:00:43. > :00:47.and intimidation by unions in industrial disputes. That's our top
:00:48. > :00:51.story. Thousands dead. Hundreds of
:00:52. > :00:56.thousands without homes. Millions affected. What is Britain doing to
:00:57. > :00:57.help the Philippines in the wake of Typhoon Haiyan? We'll ask
:00:58. > :01:03.International Development Secretary Justine Greening.
:01:04. > :01:06.Winter is coming and so, it seems, is another crisis in England's
:01:07. > :01:07.hospitals. I'll be asking the Shadow Health Secretary how he'd put a stop
:01:08. > :01:09.Later in the programme: Police to
:01:10. > :01:15.Later in the programme: Police commissioners are a year old.
:01:16. > :01:18.They're supposed to make the police more accountable and reduce crime.
:01:19. > :01:20.We'll hear from the man doing the job in
:01:21. > :01:23.fatalities on the capital's streets, and renewed calls to get lorries off
:01:24. > :01:37.the roads in peak hours. With me, the best and brightest
:01:38. > :01:39.political panel that money can buy. Janan Ganesh, Nick Watt and this
:01:40. > :01:44.week, Zoe Williams, who'll be tweeting their thoughts throughout
:01:45. > :01:47.the programme. The Government has announced a
:01:48. > :01:49.review to investigate what the Prime Minister has called "industrial
:01:50. > :02:02.intimidation" by trade union activists. Bruce Carr QC will chair
:02:03. > :02:05.a panel to examine allegations of the kind of tactics that came to
:02:06. > :02:07.light during the Grangemouth dispute, when the Unite union took
:02:08. > :02:14.their protests - replete with a giant rat - outside the family homes
:02:15. > :02:19.of the firms' bosses. Earlier this morning the Cabinet office minister,
:02:20. > :02:23.Francis Maude spoke to the BBC and this is what he had to say. To look
:02:24. > :02:27.at whether the law currently works and see if it is ineffective in
:02:28. > :02:32.preventing the kind of intimidatory activity that was alleged to have
:02:33. > :02:41.taken place around range mouth during the previous disputes --
:02:42. > :02:46.Grangemouth. We make no presumptions at the beginning of this. I do think
:02:47. > :02:51.it is a responsible thing for the government to establish what
:02:52. > :02:55.happened and really do a proper review into whether the law is
:02:56. > :03:01.adequate to meet the needs. That was Francis Maude. This is a purely
:03:02. > :03:06.political move, isn't it? Unite did this a couple of times, it is hardly
:03:07. > :03:09.happening all over the country but the government want to say, we are
:03:10. > :03:16.prepared to investigate Unite properly, Labour isn't. This seemed
:03:17. > :03:23.a lot worse when I thought it was a real rat. I thought it was a giant
:03:24. > :03:26.dead rat. I am not sure if you know much about rats but real rats are
:03:27. > :03:32.not this big, even the ones in London. The thing is, obviously it
:03:33. > :03:38.is naked politics but I think it is more intelligent than it looks. They
:03:39. > :03:44.are trying to taint Miliband as a week union puppet and that doesn't
:03:45. > :03:49.really wash. They hammer away with it and it might wash for some
:03:50. > :03:53.people. But it really castrates Miliband in the important issues he
:03:54. > :03:57.has to tackle. Zero hours, living wage, all of those things in which
:03:58. > :04:03.he needs to be in concert with the unions, and to use their expertise.
:04:04. > :04:16.He is making them absolutely toxic to go anywhere near. It keeps the
:04:17. > :04:19.Unite story alive, have to kill -- particularly since Mr Miller band is
:04:20. > :04:33.under pressure to reopen the investigation into what Unite are up
:04:34. > :04:37.to -- Mr Miliband. They are frustrated, not only at the BBC but
:04:38. > :04:40.the media generally at what they think is a lack of coverage. I see
:04:41. > :04:46.the political rationale from that respect. There is a risk. There are
:04:47. > :04:52.union members who either vote Tory or are open to the idea of voting
:04:53. > :05:04.Tory. All Lib Dem. If the party comes across as too zealous in as --
:05:05. > :05:11.its antipathy, there is an electoral consequence. Ed Miliband has been
:05:12. > :05:16.careful to keep a distance. Yes, they depend on vast amounts of
:05:17. > :05:19.money. When Len McCluskey had a real go at the Blairites, Ed Miliband was
:05:20. > :05:23.straight out there with a very strong statement. Essentially Len
:05:24. > :05:28.McCluskey wanted Blairites in the shadow cabinet sacked and Ed
:05:29. > :05:33.Miliband was keen to distance himself or for that is why it is not
:05:34. > :05:38.quite sticking. Another story in the Sunday papers this morning, the Mail
:05:39. > :05:43.on Sunday got hold of some e-mails. When I saw the headline I thought it
:05:44. > :05:49.was a huge cache of e-mails, it turns out to be a couple. They peel
:05:50. > :05:56.away the cover on the relationship between Ed Miliband and Ed Balls,
:05:57. > :06:03.with some of Ed Miliband's cohorts describing what Mr balls is trying
:06:04. > :06:08.to do as a nightmare. How bad are the relations? They are pretty bad
:06:09. > :06:10.and these e-mails confirm the biggest open signal in Westminster,
:06:11. > :06:16.which is that relations are pretty tense, -- open secret. That Ed
:06:17. > :06:21.Miliband doesn't feel that Ed Balls is acknowledging the economy has
:06:22. > :06:29.grown that Labour needs to admit to past mistakes. The sort of great
:06:30. > :06:36.open signal is confirmed. On a scale of 1-10, assuming that Blair-Brown
:06:37. > :06:40.was ten. I think it is between six and seven. They occupy this joint
:06:41. > :06:46.suite of offices that George Cameron and -- David Cameron and George
:06:47. > :06:50.Osborne had. It is not just on the economy that there were tensions,
:06:51. > :06:57.there were clearly tensions over HS2, Ed Balls put a huge question
:06:58. > :07:00.over it at his conference. There will be more tensions when it comes
:07:01. > :07:05.to the third runway because my information is that Mr balls wants
:07:06. > :07:11.to do it and Ed Miliband almost resigned over it when he was in
:07:12. > :07:13.government. I don't think Ed Miliband is thinking very
:07:14. > :07:19.politically because he has tried live without Ed Balls and that is
:07:20. > :07:23.not tenable either. -- life without. He has defined a way of making it
:07:24. > :07:28.work. That is where Tony Blair had the edge on any modern politician.
:07:29. > :07:32.He didn't want to make Ed Balls his Shadow Chancellor, he had to.
:07:33. > :07:35.Somebody said to him, if you make Ed Balls Shadow Chancellor, that will
:07:36. > :07:45.be the last decision you take as leader of the Labour Party. Is it as
:07:46. > :07:57.bad? I was surprised at how tame the e-mails were. At the FT it is
:07:58. > :08:01.compulsory, one French word per sentence! To call him a nightmare,
:08:02. > :08:06.compared to what they are willing to say in briefings, conversations,
:08:07. > :08:09.bits of frustrations they express verbally come what is documented in
:08:10. > :08:15.the e-mails is actually pretty light. It has been a grim week for
:08:16. > :08:18.the people of the Philippines as they count the cost of the
:08:19. > :08:24.devastation wrought by Typhoon Haiyan. HMS Daring has just arrived
:08:25. > :08:28.near the worst hit areas - part of Britain's contribution to bring aid
:08:29. > :08:32.to the country. It has been one of the worst natural
:08:33. > :08:35.disasters in the history of the Philippines. Typhoon Haiyan hit the
:08:36. > :08:40.country nine days ago, leaving devastation in its wake. The numbers
:08:41. > :08:45.involved are shocking. The official death toll is over 3600 people, with
:08:46. > :08:50.many thousands more unaccounted for. More than half a million people have
:08:51. > :08:54.lost their homes and the UN estimates 11 million have been
:08:55. > :08:58.affected. David Cameron announced on Friday that the UK government is to
:08:59. > :09:05.give an extra ?30 million in aid, taking the total British figure ?250
:09:06. > :09:07.million. An RAF Sea 17 aircraft landed yesterday with equipment to
:09:08. > :09:13.help aid workers get too hard to reach areas. HMS Illustrious is on
:09:14. > :09:21.its way and due to arrive next weekend. The British public have
:09:22. > :09:25.once again dipped into their pockets and given generously. They have
:09:26. > :09:28.given more than ?30 million to the Disasters Emergency Committee.
:09:29. > :09:31.The International Development Secretary, Justine Greening, joins
:09:32. > :09:35.me now for the Sunday Interview. Good morning, Secretary of State.
:09:36. > :09:40.How much of the ?50 million that the government has allocated has got
:09:41. > :09:45.through so far? All of it has landed on the ground now. HMS Daring has
:09:46. > :09:48.turned up, that will be able to start getting help out to some of
:09:49. > :09:54.those more outlying islands that have been hard to reach. We have
:09:55. > :09:58.seen Save the Children and Oxfam really being able to get aid out on
:09:59. > :10:02.the ground. We have a plane taking off today that will not read just
:10:03. > :10:09.carrying out more equipment to help clear the roads but will also have
:10:10. > :10:16.their staff on board, too. We have ?50 million of aid actually on the
:10:17. > :10:20.ground? We instantly chartered flights directly from Dubai where we
:10:21. > :10:24.have preprepared human Terry and supplies, and started humanity work
:10:25. > :10:36.-- humanitarian supplies. A lot of it has now arrived. I think
:10:37. > :10:41.we have done a huge amount so far. We have gone beyond just providing
:10:42. > :10:44.humanitarian supplies, to getting the Royal Air Force involved. They
:10:45. > :10:49.have helped us to get equipment out there quickly. We have HMS
:10:50. > :10:54.Illustrious sailing over there now. Why has that taken so long? It was
:10:55. > :10:57.based in the Gulf and is not going to get there until two weeks after
:10:58. > :11:01.the storm first hit and that is the one ship we have with lots of
:11:02. > :11:05.helicopters. The first decision we took was to make sure we could get
:11:06. > :11:10.the fastest vessel out there that was able to help HMS Daring. HMS
:11:11. > :11:14.Illustrious was just finishing an exercise and planning to start to
:11:15. > :11:18.head back towards the UK. We have said to not do that, and diverted
:11:19. > :11:24.it. Shouldn't it have happened more quickly? We took the decisions as
:11:25. > :11:29.fast as we were able to, you can't just turn a big warship around like
:11:30. > :11:32.the HMS Illustrious. We made sure we took those decisions and that is
:11:33. > :11:38.while it will be taking over from HMS Daring come and that is why HMS
:11:39. > :11:42.Daring is ready there. It will be able to provide key support and
:11:43. > :11:48.expertise that has not been there so far. The US Navy is doing the heavy
:11:49. > :11:52.lifting here. The US Navy had the USS Washington, there is an aircraft
:11:53. > :11:57.carrier, 80 planes, 5000 personnel and they have the fleet, they are
:11:58. > :12:02.doing the real work. We obviously helping but the Americans are taking
:12:03. > :12:06.the lead. It is a big international effort. Countries like the US and
:12:07. > :12:15.the UK, that have a broader ability to support that goes beyond simply
:12:16. > :12:19.call humanitarian supplies -- have made sure we have brought our
:12:20. > :12:23.logistics knowledge, we have sent out our naval vessels. It shows we
:12:24. > :12:32.are working across government to respond to this crisis. Why does
:12:33. > :12:36.only just over 4% of your aid budget go on emergency disaster and
:12:37. > :12:40.response? A lot depends on what crises hit in any given year. We
:12:41. > :12:44.have done a huge amount, responding to the crisis in Syria, the conflict
:12:45. > :12:48.there and the fact we have 2 million refugees who have fled the country.
:12:49. > :12:54.We are part of an international effort in supporting them. Shouldn't
:12:55. > :12:57.we beginning more money to that rather than some of the other
:12:58. > :13:04.programmes where it is harder to see the results question of if we were
:13:05. > :13:07.to give more money to the refugees, it would be a visible result. We
:13:08. > :13:14.could see an improvement in the lives of children, men and women.
:13:15. > :13:17.What we need to do is alongside that is stop those situations from
:13:18. > :13:21.happening in the first place. A lot of our development spend is helping
:13:22. > :13:26.countries to stay stable. Look at some of the work we are doing in
:13:27. > :13:32.Somalia, much more sensible. Not just from an immigration but there
:13:33. > :13:36.is a threat perspective. There is a lot of terrorism coming from
:13:37. > :13:42.Somalia. You only have to look at Kenya recently to see that. Which is
:13:43. > :13:46.why you talk about what we do with the rest of the spend. It is why it
:13:47. > :13:52.is responsible to work with the government of Somalia. Should we
:13:53. > :13:57.give more, bigger part of the budget to disaster relief or not? I think
:13:58. > :14:01.we get it about right, we have to be flexible and we are. This Philippine
:14:02. > :14:08.relief is on top of the work in Syria. Where can you show me a
:14:09. > :14:12.correlation between us giving aid to some failed nation, or nearly failed
:14:13. > :14:17.nation, and that cutting down on terrorism? If you look at the work
:14:18. > :14:20.we have done in Pakistan, a huge amount of work. Some of it
:14:21. > :14:28.short-term. It is written by terrorism. That is -- ridden by
:14:29. > :14:36.terrorism. That is not going to fix it self in a sense. Look at the work
:14:37. > :14:45.that we do in investing in education. The things that little
:14:46. > :14:52.girls like Malala talk about as being absolutely key. We are ramping
:14:53. > :14:58.up our aid to Pakistan, it will be close to half ?1 billion by the time
:14:59. > :15:05.of the election. Why should British taxpayers be giving half ?1 billion
:15:06. > :15:09.to a country where only 0.5% of people in Pakistan pay income tax,
:15:10. > :15:19.and 70% of their own MPs don't pay income tax. It is a good point and
:15:20. > :15:23.that is why we have been working with their tax revenue authority to
:15:24. > :15:34.help them increase that and push forward the tax reform. You are
:15:35. > :15:40.right, and I have setup a team that will go out and work with many of
:15:41. > :15:44.these countries so they can raise their own revenues. You really think
:15:45. > :15:57.you will raise the amount of tax by sending out the British HRM see? How
:15:58. > :16:02.many troops I we sending out to protect them? They don't need
:16:03. > :16:16.troops. We make sure that we have a duty of care alongside our staff,
:16:17. > :16:20.but we have to respond to any crisis like the Philippines, and alongside
:16:21. > :16:25.other countries we have two work alongside them so that they can
:16:26. > :16:31.reinvest in their own public services. If they can create their
:16:32. > :16:36.own taxes, will we stop paying aid? We need to look at that but the new
:16:37. > :16:43.Pakistan Government has been very clear it is a priority and we will
:16:44. > :16:50.be helping them in pursuing that. Let me show you a picture. Who are
:16:51. > :16:57.these young women? I don't know, I'm sure you are about to tell me. They
:16:58. > :17:01.are the Ethiopian Spice Girls and I'm surprised you don't know because
:17:02. > :17:09.they have only managed to become so famous because your department has
:17:10. > :17:14.financed them to the tune of ?4 million. All of the work we do with
:17:15. > :17:19.women on the ground, making sure they have a voice in their local
:17:20. > :17:24.communities, making sure they have some control over what happens to
:17:25. > :17:33.their own bodies in terms of tackling FGM, female genital
:17:34. > :17:38.mutilation... Did you know your department has spent ?4 million on
:17:39. > :17:46.the Ethiopian Spice Girls? Yes, I do, and we have to work with girls
:17:47. > :17:50.and show them there is a life ahead of them with opportunity and
:17:51. > :17:54.potential that goes beyond what many of them will experience, which
:17:55. > :18:06.includes early and forced marriage. It is part of the work we do with
:18:07. > :18:11.local communities to change attitudes everything you have just
:18:12. > :18:14.said is immeasurable, and they broadcast on a radio station that
:18:15. > :18:26.doesn't reach most of the country so it cannot have the impact. It only
:18:27. > :18:26.reaches 20 million people and the project has been condemned saying
:18:27. > :18:35.there were serious inefficiencies. That aid report was done a while ago
:18:36. > :18:40.now, and it was talking about the project when it first got going, and
:18:41. > :18:45.a lot of improvements have happened since. I would go back to the point
:18:46. > :18:48.that we are working in very difficult environments where we are
:18:49. > :18:53.trying to get longer term change on the ground and that means working
:18:54. > :18:57.directly with communities but also investing for the long-term,
:18:58. > :19:03.investing in some of these girls start changing attitudes in them and
:19:04. > :19:14.their communities. Why does the British taxpayers spend ?5 million
:19:15. > :19:20.on a Bangladesh version of Question Time? We work with the BBC to make
:19:21. > :19:40.sure we can get accountabilities... That is bigger then the BBC Question
:19:41. > :19:48.Time Normal -- budget. That includes the cost of David Dimbleby's
:19:49. > :19:52.tattoo! We are working to improve people's prospects but also we are
:19:53. > :19:56.working to improve their ability to hold their governments to account so
:19:57. > :20:00.that when they are not getting services on the ground, they have
:20:01. > :20:08.ways they can raise those concerns with the people who are there to
:20:09. > :20:12.deliver services for them. In your own personal view, should the next
:20:13. > :20:18.Conservative Government, if there is one, should you continue to ring
:20:19. > :20:23.fence spending on foreign aid? But it is critical that if we are going
:20:24. > :20:28.to spend 7.7% of our national income, we should make sure it is in
:20:29. > :20:33.our national interest and that means having a clear approach to
:20:34. > :20:37.humanitarian responses, in keeping the country safe, and a clearer
:20:38. > :20:43.approach on helping drive economic development and jobs so there is a
:20:44. > :20:49.long-term end of the dependency. Do you believe in an shrine in the
:20:50. > :20:55.percentage of our GDP that goes on foreign aid in law? Yes, and that is
:20:56. > :21:05.a coalition agreement. There have been a lot of agreements that you
:21:06. > :21:09.are sceptical about ring fencing. We are focused on shaking up the
:21:10. > :21:23.economy and improving our public finances. Why haven't you done that?
:21:24. > :21:28.At the end of the day we will be accountable but we are committed to
:21:29. > :21:34.doing that. You are running out of time, will you do it? I hope we can
:21:35. > :21:40.find the Parliamentary time, but even if we don't, we have acted as
:21:41. > :21:46.if that law is in place and we have already met 0.7% commitment. If you
:21:47. > :21:53.are British voter that doesn't believe that we should enshrine that
:21:54. > :21:57.in by law, which means that with a growing economy foreign aid will
:21:58. > :22:01.rise by definition, and if you think we should be spending less money on
:22:02. > :22:09.the Ethiopian Spice Girls, for whom should you wrote in the next
:22:10. > :22:15.election? I think we have a very sensible approach. I don't know what
:22:16. > :22:21.the various party manifestoes... The only party who thinks we shouldn't
:22:22. > :22:31.be doing this is UKIP. I think you have to look at the response to both
:22:32. > :22:38.the Philippines crisis and Children In Need. Of all the steps we are
:22:39. > :22:44.taking to get the country back on track, it shows the British people
:22:45. > :22:52.will respond to need when they need it and it is one of the things that
:22:53. > :22:55.makes Britain's special. Thank you. "It's always winter but
:22:56. > :22:57.never Christmas" - that's how doctors describe life inside
:22:58. > :23:00.accident and emergency. The College of Emergency Medicine have warned
:23:01. > :23:04.that this year could bring the "worst crisis on record". If that
:23:05. > :23:06.dire prediction comes, expect a spring of political recriminations,
:23:07. > :23:10.but how prepared are the NHS in England? And what do they make of
:23:11. > :23:19.this autumnal speculation? Giles has been to Leeds to find out.
:23:20. > :23:24.This winter has already come to our hospitals. It had an official start
:23:25. > :23:33.date, November the 3rd. That is when weekly updates are delivered to the
:23:34. > :23:39.NHS's most senior planners, alerting them to any sudden changes in
:23:40. > :23:46.patient numbers coming in. Where do they numbers register most then
:23:47. > :23:51.A They are the barometer for what is going on everywhere else, and
:23:52. > :23:55.they are the pressure point, so if the system is beginning to struggle
:23:56. > :24:03.then it is in the A department that we see the problems. It is not
:24:04. > :24:09.that the problems are the A departments, but they are the place
:24:10. > :24:14.where it all comes together. Plans to tackle those problems start being
:24:15. > :24:23.drawn up in May and they look at trends, even taking notice of any
:24:24. > :24:33.flu epidemics in New Zealand. They also look at the amount of bets. But
:24:34. > :24:37.the weather, economic realities, structural reforms, and changes to
:24:38. > :24:41.the general health of the population, are all factors they
:24:42. > :24:46.have to consider. We get huge amounts of information through the
:24:47. > :24:51.winter in order to help the NHS be the best it can be, but we had to
:24:52. > :24:56.redouble our efforts this year because we expected to be a
:24:57. > :25:03.difficult winter. We know the NHS is stretched so we are working hard to
:25:04. > :25:10.be as good as we can be. That means they are looking at winter staffing
:25:11. > :25:14.levels, plans to ask for help from neighbouring hospitals, and
:25:15. > :25:20.dovetailing help with GP surgeries, and still having the ability to move
:25:21. > :25:26.up an extra gear, a rehearsed emergency plan if the NHS had to
:25:27. > :25:30.face a major disease pandemic. You spend any time in any of our
:25:31. > :25:35.hospitals and you realise the NHS knows that winter is coming and they
:25:36. > :25:38.are making plans, but you also get a palpable feeling amongst health
:25:39. > :25:46.workers across the entire system that they do get fed up of being
:25:47. > :25:49.used as a political football. Doctors and all health care
:25:50. > :25:55.professionals are frustrated about the politics that surrounds the NHS
:25:56. > :25:58.in health care. They go to work to treat patients as best as they can,
:25:59. > :26:05.and the political knock-about does not help anyone. I find it
:26:06. > :26:08.frustrating when there is a commentary that suggests the NHS
:26:09. > :26:15.does not planned, when it is surprised by winter, and wherever
:26:16. > :26:21.that comes from it is hard to take, knowing how much we do nationally
:26:22. > :26:30.and how much our hard working front line staff are doing. When the
:26:31. > :26:36.Coalition have recently tried to open up the NHS to be a more
:26:37. > :26:43.independent body, it is clear the NHS feel they have had an unhealthy
:26:44. > :26:47.dose of political wrangling between parties on policy. The NHS is not
:26:48. > :26:53.infallible or making any guarantees, but they seem confident that they
:26:54. > :26:56.and their patients can survive the winter.
:26:57. > :27:04.Joining me now from Salford in the Shadow Health Secretary, Andy
:27:05. > :27:09.Burnham. Tell me this, if you were health secretary now, you just took
:27:10. > :27:19.over in an emergency election, what would you do to avoid another winter
:27:20. > :27:25.crisis? I would immediately halt the closure of NHS walk-in centres. We
:27:26. > :27:30.heard this week that around one in four walk-in centres are closed so
:27:31. > :27:34.it makes no sense whatsoever for the Government to allow the continued
:27:35. > :27:40.closure of them. I would put nurses back on the end of phones and
:27:41. > :27:47.restore an NHS direct style service. The new 111 service is not in a
:27:48. > :27:54.position to provide help to people this winter. I think the time has
:27:55. > :27:58.come to rethink how the NHS care is particularly for older people so I
:27:59. > :28:03.propose the full integration of health and social care. It cannot
:28:04. > :28:09.make any sense any more to have this approach where we cut social care
:28:10. > :28:13.and let elderly people drift to hospitals in greater numbers. We
:28:14. > :28:21.have two rethink it as a whole service. So you would repeal some of
:28:22. > :28:26.the Tory reforms and move commissioning to local authorities
:28:27. > :28:32.so the NHS should brace itself for another major top-down health
:28:33. > :28:36.reorganisation? No, unlike Andrew Lansley I will work with the
:28:37. > :28:47.organisations ie inherit. He could work with primary care trusts but he
:28:48. > :28:53.turned it upside down when it needed stability. I will not do that but I
:28:54. > :29:06.will repeal the health and social care act because last week we heard
:29:07. > :29:09.that hospitals and health services cannot get on and make sensible
:29:10. > :29:16.merger collaborations because of this nonsense now that the NHS is
:29:17. > :29:21.bound by competition law. Let me get your views on a number of ideas that
:29:22. > :29:25.have been floated either by the press or the Coalition. We haven't
:29:26. > :29:37.got much time. Do you welcome the plan to bring back named GPs for
:29:38. > :29:42.over 75s? Yes, but it has got harder to get the GP appointment under this
:29:43. > :29:46.Government because David Cameron scrapped the 48-hour guarantee that
:29:47. > :29:51.Tony Blair brought in. He was challenged in the 2005 election
:29:52. > :29:55.about the difficulty of getting a GP appointment, and Tony Blair brought
:29:56. > :30:02.in the commitment that people should be able to get that within 48
:30:03. > :30:06.hours. That has now been scrapped. Do you welcome the idea of allowing
:30:07. > :30:14.everyone to choose their own GP surgery even if it is not in our
:30:15. > :30:19.traditional catchment area? I proposed that just before the last
:30:20. > :30:23.election, so yes. Do you welcome the idea of how a practice is being
:30:24. > :30:30.rated being a matter of public record, and of us knowing how much,
:30:31. > :30:34.at least from the NHS, our GP earns? Of course, every political party
:30:35. > :30:38.supports transparency in the NHS. More information for the public of
:30:39. > :30:44.that kind is a good thing. Do you welcome this plan to make it will
:30:45. > :30:51.form the collect in an NHS hospital -- make wilful neglect a criminal
:30:52. > :30:54.offence. It is important to say you can't pick and mix these
:30:55. > :30:58.recommendations, you can't say we will have that one and not the
:30:59. > :31:03.others. It was a balanced package that Sir Robert Francis put forward.
:31:04. > :31:06.My message is that it must be permitted in full. If we are to
:31:07. > :31:12.learn the lessons, the whole package must be addressed, and that includes
:31:13. > :31:17.safe staffing levels across the NHS. Staff have a responsible to two
:31:18. > :31:20.patients at the government also has responsible at T2 NHS staff and it
:31:21. > :31:33.should not let them work in understaffed, unsafe conditions -- a
:31:34. > :31:43.responsibility to NHS staff. Is there a part of the 2004 agreements
:31:44. > :31:48.that you regret and should be undone? A lot of myths have been
:31:49. > :31:53.built up about the contract. When it came in, there was a huge shortage
:31:54. > :31:58.of GPs across the country. Some communities struggle to recruit.
:31:59. > :32:04.This myth that the government have built, that the 2004 GP contract is
:32:05. > :32:12.responsible for the AM decries is, it is spin of the worst possible
:32:13. > :32:17.kind -- the A crisis. You would redo that contract? It was redone
:32:18. > :32:22.under our time in government and change to make it better value for
:32:23. > :32:25.money. GPs should be focused on improving the health of their
:32:26. > :32:32.patients and that is a very good principle. Not so great if you can't
:32:33. > :32:37.get 24-hour access. I agree with that. We brought in evening and
:32:38. > :32:41.weekend opening for GPs. That is another thing that has gone in
:32:42. > :32:44.reverse under Mr Cameron. It is much harder to get a GP appointment under
:32:45. > :32:55.him and that is one of the reasons why A is an oppressor. -- under
:32:56. > :33:00.pressure. What do you make of the review into intimidatory tactics by
:33:01. > :33:04.unions? If there has been intimidation, it is unacceptable,
:33:05. > :33:12.and that should apply to unions as well as employers. Was Unite wrong
:33:13. > :33:16.to turn up and demonstrate? I don't know the details, this review will
:33:17. > :33:20.look into that presumably. I need reassurance that this is not a
:33:21. > :33:23.pretty cool call by Mr Cameron on the designed to appear near the
:33:24. > :33:35.election -- that this is not a political call. Are you sponsored by
:33:36. > :33:44.unite? No. Do you get any money from Unite? No. What have you done wrong?
:33:45. > :33:51.It seems others are getting money from Unite. Can I tell you what I
:33:52. > :33:54.think is the scandal of British party political funding, two health
:33:55. > :34:02.care companies have given ?1.5 million in donations to the Tory
:34:03. > :34:06.party, they have ?1.5 billion in NHS contracts. I wonder why you don't
:34:07. > :34:11.spend much time talking about that and obsess over trade union funding.
:34:12. > :34:18.We are happy to talk about that. We see from e-mails that Mr Miliband's
:34:19. > :34:24.closest advisers regard Mr Ed Balls as a bit of a nightmare, do you see
:34:25. > :34:29.a bit of a nightmare about him as well? I don't at all, he is a very
:34:30. > :34:33.good friend. I can't believe that you are talking about those e-mails
:34:34. > :34:38.on a national political programme. My goodness, you obviously scraping
:34:39. > :34:42.the barrel today. I have been in front-line labour politics for 20
:34:43. > :34:46.years. I can't remember the front bench and the wider party being as
:34:47. > :34:50.united as it is today and it is a great credit to Ed Miliband and Ed
:34:51. > :34:53.Balls. We are going into a general election and we are going to get rid
:34:54. > :34:58.of a pretty disastrous coalition government. It was worth spending a
:34:59. > :35:02.few seconds to establish your not having nightmares. Thank you for
:35:03. > :35:04.joining me. It's just gone 11:30am. You're
:35:05. > :35:06.watching the Sunday Politics. Coming up in just over 20 minutes, I'll be
:35:07. > :35:23.talking to the MP accused of Hello. It's a year since police
:35:24. > :35:29.commissioners were elected for the first time. Have they had an
:35:30. > :35:31.impact? And could a portrait of the First Minister Carwyn Jones be the
:35:32. > :35:37.first steps to Wales doing more trade with Ukraine? Joining me the
:35:38. > :35:42.Liberal Democrat MP Roger Williams and the Plaid Cymru Assembly Member
:35:43. > :35:48.Dafydd Elis-Thomas. Good morning. Let's start with a view from you on
:35:49. > :35:53.the typhoon in the Philippines. The DTC is saying that there needs to be
:35:54. > :35:57.a real renewed focus on dealing with climate change as a result of this
:35:58. > :36:04.but also there is a concern that more things like this will happen in
:36:05. > :36:09.the future. I'm very lucky to have an adviser on these things and there
:36:10. > :36:12.is a certainty that there is a pattern which has been emerging over
:36:13. > :36:16.recent years and I think it's essential that we do take advantage
:36:17. > :36:21.of every international opportunities such as the current discussions in
:36:22. > :36:25.Warsaw to try to respond more positively. That does mean
:36:26. > :36:34.decarbonising the energy generation and I'm very concerned about the
:36:35. > :36:45.cost of energy because, obviously, if we are going to reduce the amount
:36:46. > :36:49.of carbon that is generated, we need to invest in renewables and nuclear.
:36:50. > :36:55.Ed Davey seems to have changed his view on nuclear. He is for it now,
:36:56. > :37:00.where he was in before. That is something the Lib Dems have done in
:37:01. > :37:04.government. That the change we made. Are you happy with that change? I've
:37:05. > :37:09.always been on the pro-nuclear wing of the Lib Dems. It's essential if
:37:10. > :37:17.we are going to decarbonise the energy supply system that that plays
:37:18. > :37:20.a part. But in terms of the typhoon, it's difficult to attribute any
:37:21. > :37:26.particular whether incident to I'm change but there's no doubt --
:37:27. > :37:32.climate change but there's no doubt this is having an impact. A year
:37:33. > :37:36.ago, the first directly elected Police and Crime Commissioners came
:37:37. > :37:38.to power across Wales and England. The aim was to give people some
:37:39. > :37:43.control over their forces with invisible figure the public can
:37:44. > :37:48.raise concerns with. In a moment we'll hear from the Dyfed Powys
:37:49. > :37:50.Commissioner Christopher Salmon. But first a snapshot of the first 12
:37:51. > :37:56.months of Wales's newest elected representatives. Last November just
:37:57. > :37:59.under 15% of the Welsh electorate voted for Police and Crime
:38:00. > :38:02.Commissioners and they are elected the Conservative Christopher Salmon
:38:03. > :38:07.into the towers, Labour's Alun Michael in South Wales, an
:38:08. > :38:18.independent in North Wales and another in Gwent. A row followed and
:38:19. > :38:27.Carmel maybe it left in June after he threatened to fire her if she
:38:28. > :38:29.didn't retire. South Wales commissioner Alun Michael stresses
:38:30. > :38:33.the close working relationship with his chief constable, Peter Vaughan,
:38:34. > :38:38.and says the groundwork has been laid for reduced crime and better
:38:39. > :38:41.policing for the next three years. Christopher Salmon has overseen the
:38:42. > :38:45.creation of a new fund for Officers' projects to cut crime and
:38:46. > :38:53.is planning a big increase in special constables. Also appointed a
:38:54. > :39:00.new chief constable. Winston Roddick created a new rural crime force. He
:39:01. > :39:05.says they are making the force use officers better. The Home Secretary
:39:06. > :39:08.admits some Police and Crime Commissioners have made mistakes but
:39:09. > :39:12.says overall they are driving major change and holding forces to
:39:13. > :39:18.account. Let's speak to the Dyfed Powys police Commissioner
:39:19. > :39:26.Christopher Salmon. Good morning. Let me hit you with some statistics.
:39:27. > :39:30.Turnout was low - 15%. A BBC poll this week suggested that a third of
:39:31. > :39:35.people didn't know who their Police and Crime Commissioner was, and half
:39:36. > :39:43.of people asked said that they had had little or no effect. Is that
:39:44. > :39:47.your experience? No, it isn't and to come back to your poll, if a third
:39:48. > :39:51.don't know, the obvious answer is that two thirds do and that is some
:39:52. > :39:58.achievement, given where we were a year ago. Your poll also suggested
:39:59. > :40:03.that 40% of people believed that Police and Crime Commissioners had
:40:04. > :40:07.had a positive effect on crime. There is more to do. A lot of what I
:40:08. > :40:10.have to do is explain my role and make myself accessible to the
:40:11. > :40:14.public. But we are much more accessible. I doubt very much you
:40:15. > :40:17.would have been talking to a member of the police authority on this
:40:18. > :40:22.programme, had the system not changed. Do you feel you're living
:40:23. > :40:28.on borrowed time because when you are elected it was a four-year
:40:29. > :40:32.term, and Labour are committed to abolishing the posts. Do you feel
:40:33. > :40:37.you are on a hiding to nothing? I don't think Labour are committed.
:40:38. > :40:41.They are conducting their review of policing at the moment and it's up
:40:42. > :40:44.to them to say what they want to do. But if they're going to, they need
:40:45. > :40:48.to find something else to replace it with. I don't think we're on
:40:49. > :40:52.borrowed time at all. I'm very pleased with the progress we've
:40:53. > :40:57.made. There is no question we all need to use - and I am certainly
:40:58. > :41:01.going to use - this first term to persuade people of the benefits of
:41:02. > :41:07.what I am doing, in particular. I want to face my electric inmate 2016
:41:08. > :41:12.to say how we have cut crime -- in May of 2016 to say how we have cut
:41:13. > :41:17.crime and have a police force that is highly professional and that
:41:18. > :41:22.people can trust. People will judge me on that then. There are wider
:41:23. > :41:26.discussions on policing in Wales - whether it should be devolved, for
:41:27. > :41:32.one. What is your view? It has been devolved. All the decisions relating
:41:33. > :41:37.to policing are made by politicians elected by people in Wales for
:41:38. > :41:41.people in Wales. In many ways, it is more devolved than if it were in
:41:42. > :41:45.Cardiff. All you to do is add expense and complication and I don't
:41:46. > :41:48.see any advantage in terms of crime-fighting, and that's what we
:41:49. > :42:01.have to be about - making people safer. The other discussion that has
:42:02. > :42:06.often been hard - should we have one force for Wales? My answer is that
:42:07. > :42:11.we shouldn't but not particularly because of my job. The important
:42:12. > :42:26.thing that the cc have allowed is allowing us to come up with a local
:42:27. > :42:33.response to local issues. -- PCCs. We are an area the size of Lebanon
:42:34. > :42:38.and we have to be answerable to our own residence. That is the value of
:42:39. > :42:43.localism. That is the great power of this post and I wouldn't favour
:42:44. > :42:47.centralising things in Wales at all. Winston Roddick in North Wales has
:42:48. > :42:51.done some thing similar in attempting to address problems with
:42:52. > :42:53.crime in rural areas. How much do you speak to each other as
:42:54. > :42:59.commissioners across the country? A lot. As Welsh commissioners, we meet
:43:00. > :43:04.quarterly. I talk to Winston regularly, whenever we have summoned
:43:05. > :43:10.to discuss. I'm very keen to be the best possible magpie that I can and
:43:11. > :43:19.steal ideas from him and elsewhere, wherever commissioners are pursuing
:43:20. > :43:21.all sorts of initiatives. Northumbria are doing something on
:43:22. > :43:28.women's issues and domestic violence. Morale of the police has
:43:29. > :43:33.been in the news with the plebgate row and Andrew Mitchell. As far as
:43:34. > :43:37.you're concerned, what do you think the situation with public trust is
:43:38. > :43:41.at the moment? Do you think it has been affected by the plebgate row? I
:43:42. > :43:47.think it has. I think, fundamentally, the public trust the
:43:48. > :43:51.police, which is right and good. The problem with losing trust is that
:43:52. > :43:55.it's very corrosive and I think the best way the police service, and we
:43:56. > :44:03.as PCCs responsible for delivering policing, can tackle that is to be
:44:04. > :44:04.honest and upfront about the challenges. We need more
:44:05. > :44:09.independence and the police complaints system. It needs to be
:44:10. > :44:13.much quicker, more bureaucratic and more focused on the needs of the
:44:14. > :44:16.public than it currently is. A number of us are talking to the Home
:44:17. > :44:20.Secretary about ideas to improve that and I think we'll see something
:44:21. > :44:28.over the next few months and years. Thanks very much for joining us.
:44:29. > :44:33.Gentlemen, both of your parties failed to put up candidates. A year
:44:34. > :44:38.wrong, how do you feel about the situation? It was part of the
:44:39. > :44:42.coalition agreement to have elections for police commissioners
:44:43. > :44:46.and we went along with that. We've always wanted more democratic
:44:47. > :44:51.accountability for the police but not necessarily to politicise it.
:44:52. > :44:57.Therefore, we didn't put up candidates and I think it's very
:44:58. > :44:59.telling that where credible, independent candidates were
:45:00. > :45:04.standing, they got support from the electorate. They didn't get support
:45:05. > :45:10.from you, did they? No, they didn't and they wouldn't. I envy what has
:45:11. > :45:17.happened in Scotland with a unified police system. We now have a Lord
:45:18. > :45:24.Chief Justice of Wales might just come into post, who has always been
:45:25. > :45:32.a strong devolutionist. There is no question that the probation service,
:45:33. > :45:37.a major issue at the moment, is a mistake. Running public services in
:45:38. > :45:45.Wales on the same model across England is wrong on the board. You
:45:46. > :45:50.don't accept Christopher Salmon to's point that policing is already
:45:51. > :45:55.devolved? Look what has happened to the railway industry. Since Network
:45:56. > :46:03.Rail is run from Cardiff, it's much more effective than it was before.
:46:04. > :46:07.I'm sorry for these unionist people who are going on and on about
:46:08. > :46:13.orders. I've got no patience with this. There will always be services
:46:14. > :46:16.that will be shared across the marshes between England and Wales
:46:17. > :46:20.and long may that be the case. But that doesn't prevent us in Wales
:46:21. > :46:24.from having our own organised public services. It's obvious that once you
:46:25. > :46:33.look at the Ministry of Justice and all related issues, especially the
:46:34. > :46:38.prevention of crime, it is going to need a reorganisation. I would urge
:46:39. > :46:44.people to start thinking about that echoes the administration of justice
:46:45. > :46:48.will be devolved before 2020. Do you agree with Christopher Salmon or
:46:49. > :46:54.Dafydd Elis-Thomas? I would rather agree with Dafydd. We will see
:46:55. > :46:58.announcements fairly soon about how services are going to be delivered
:46:59. > :47:03.in Wales and I agree that when they are centred locally, we get a more
:47:04. > :47:13.responsive and more proactive type of service. That goes for the police
:47:14. > :47:17.and criminal justice system. The other question was about the poll
:47:18. > :47:21.results. The third of people didn't know the Commissioner. He made the
:47:22. > :47:28.point that two thirds do. 15% people turned out. The first year has just
:47:29. > :47:33.been about convincing people that they exist, I suppose. I think so.
:47:34. > :47:36.We'll have to see when the next election for police commissioners
:47:37. > :47:41.comes around, will there be greater engagement, a greater turnout at the
:47:42. > :47:49.polling stations? I think perhaps we need to think again about how we
:47:50. > :47:53.have free obligations sent to all the electors because at the last
:47:54. > :47:58.election, people wear entirely unaware of the election and what the
:47:59. > :48:05.consequences were. A year on, do you think people are any more informed
:48:06. > :48:09.than they were? Ido think they are. I've been very concerned about the
:48:10. > :48:14.intervention of the police commissioners in operational issues
:48:15. > :48:18.involving policing. Do you mean in Gwent? I mean generally. These are
:48:19. > :48:23.very sensitive areas and we are dealing with issues of security, of
:48:24. > :48:29.law and order, of the rights of citizens. And I do think that when
:48:30. > :48:32.you have a political campaign about the reorganisation of police
:48:33. > :48:38.services, it doesn't really contribute to the debate about crime
:48:39. > :48:47.prevention and security within our society. We'll leave it there for
:48:48. > :48:51.now. Ukraine is to honour a leading Welsh industrialist who established
:48:52. > :48:53.its second biggest city by opening a museum dedicated to him and
:48:54. > :48:56.launching a commemorative postage stamp. It will mark the 200th
:48:57. > :48:59.anniversary of the birth of John Hughes in Merthyr Tydfil, who
:49:00. > :49:02.founded what's now called Donetsk. It's hoped reviving Wales's historic
:49:03. > :49:05.ties with the East European nation will lead to trade opportunities, if
:49:06. > :49:14.hopes Ukraine will become closer aligned to the EU are realised.
:49:15. > :49:17.Vodka, nibbles and the work of a top Ukrainian artist in honour of John
:49:18. > :49:26.Hughes, celebrating a connection between Wales and Don. In 1869,
:49:27. > :49:31.Hughes was invited to Ukraine, then part of the Russian Empire, to bring
:49:32. > :49:37.the Industrial Revolution East. He developed an iron Works, coalmine
:49:38. > :49:40.and railway, and he was honoured nearly a century and a half later in
:49:41. > :49:48.Cardiff they are to Ukrainian Embassy event. He is probably the
:49:49. > :49:53.biggest industrial -- it is probably the biggest industrial city, which
:49:54. > :49:57.develops a lot of industries, including the iron making, which
:49:58. > :50:02.John Hughes was very famous for. Coal mining, too, and many others.
:50:03. > :50:14.He really was the father of the Ukrainian city which is now called
:50:15. > :50:19.Don -esque. Mr Jones believes John Hughes's story is still relevant.
:50:20. > :50:23.The message is that we've always been able to do things as a people.
:50:24. > :50:28.We had people working in the minds and the steelworks in their hundreds
:50:29. > :50:33.of thousands. We still have Cardiff docks, Barry docks, where coal is
:50:34. > :50:36.exported around the world. What we have in John James Hughes is
:50:37. > :50:45.somebody who took Welsh expertise, took it to the Ukraine and it
:50:46. > :50:52.thrived. This Labour MP's father fled Ukraine for Britain after the
:50:53. > :50:58.war. He believes there could be benefits from Ukraine moving closer
:50:59. > :51:03.to the youth. The travel will be easier, trade will be a lot easier
:51:04. > :51:09.and less restrictive and, of course, as well as being a producer
:51:10. > :51:15.of many minerals and skills, it is also an agricultural producer and an
:51:16. > :51:18.importer, as well. So their mutual benefits in terms of common
:51:19. > :51:26.agriculture, common agricultural trade. We have similar objectives
:51:27. > :51:31.and challenges, in terms of what we do as older industries start to
:51:32. > :51:37.decline and we need to replace the jobs. I've met the ambassador before
:51:38. > :51:43.and Mick is the Assembly Member for Pontypridd, and is of Ukrainian and
:51:44. > :52:01.history, and is keen to develop those links. This band will tour the
:52:02. > :52:05.Ukraine, including Don , next year. We hear about John Hughes going to
:52:06. > :52:10.Ukraine in the mid to late 19th century, taking his expertise around
:52:11. > :52:17.the world. Carwyn Jones suggests we should keep on trying to do that. Is
:52:18. > :52:21.Wales in a position to do that? I hope we are. We have expertise in
:52:22. > :52:26.engineering, renewable energy and decommissioning of nuclear. We have
:52:27. > :52:30.lots of engineering experience which we can share and I'm very pleased
:52:31. > :52:35.about this initiative with Ukraine because it's important that we think
:52:36. > :52:38.of Europe as what it really is, and don't talk about Eastern Europe as
:52:39. > :52:44.if we were still suffering from Cold War problems. Therefore, as much as
:52:45. > :52:54.we can do in that direction, it is as well as it is obvious sleep
:52:55. > :52:58.double -- obviously profitable. They're trying to get closer to the
:52:59. > :53:02.EU, but Russia are trying to keep them away from doing that. Do you
:53:03. > :53:06.welcome the idea that Wales should be trying to forge its own trade
:53:07. > :53:12.links apart from the UK government's? Absolutely. There has
:53:13. > :53:17.been an agreement between the EU and the nation states to form a deep and
:53:18. > :53:21.compounds of free trade area with Ukraine and that's so important. It
:53:22. > :53:26.will lead to the break down of tariffs between exports and imports.
:53:27. > :53:31.Agriculture, as well as heavy industry, is a big part of the
:53:32. > :53:37.Ukraine economy. It would seem to be the breadbasket of Russia before the
:53:38. > :53:41.USSR was broken down and it is very productive in those terms. But Wales
:53:42. > :53:45.has got so much to offer in terms of life sciences. The reputation of
:53:46. > :53:49.Cardiff University and Swansea University, growing at the moment,
:53:50. > :53:55.means our scientists are held in huge and high regard across the
:53:56. > :54:01.world. We can be spreading that and gaining influence for Wales. Are we
:54:02. > :54:06.making enough of it? If these things are happening, maybe we should
:54:07. > :54:10.publicise it more. I think so. We need to blow our trumpets a bit and
:54:11. > :54:14.make sure that when Welsh people and Welsh institutions are in the front
:54:15. > :54:20.of these things, it's acknowledged and made aware to everybody. And
:54:21. > :54:27.don't forget culture, especially for all. Now that we've got Gareth Bale
:54:28. > :54:34.and Aaron Ramsey... They're both fit but this is so important, the
:54:35. > :54:43.cultural connections, and it's an area where many institutions have
:54:44. > :54:46.been working. The more we do there, the more that has a spin off for
:54:47. > :54:48.other businesses, as well, and the important point is that these days
:54:49. > :54:51.it is green investment and investment in rural technologies and
:54:52. > :54:55.the kind of material we were talking about earlier - this is at the
:54:56. > :54:59.forefront of what the world needs and we can certainly work with
:55:00. > :55:02.Ukraine on those things. Time for a quick look that at some
:55:03. > :32:45.of the political stories in the