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:01:19. > :01:29.In the Midlands, after a week dominated by Europe, could the UK

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:01:29. > :39:38.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2289 seconds

:39:38. > :39:42.Independence Party commit local Hello from the Midlands, I am

:39:42. > :39:49.Patrick Burns. With us today to make sense of the

:39:49. > :39:54.political week, the Conservative MP Peter Luff and the Labour MP

:39:54. > :39:58.Shabana Mahmood. They will be of with us throughout our part of the

:39:58. > :40:03.programme, including that, later, after the week dominated by the

:40:03. > :40:07.Prime Minister's promise of a referendum on Europe, could nine

:40:07. > :40:12.Midlands Conservative MPs lose their seats because of rising

:40:12. > :40:18.support for the anti-European Union party UKIP?

:40:18. > :40:22.First, we are all journalists now, citizen journalists and hyper local

:40:22. > :40:27.websites are everywhere. Take our internet sites run by local

:40:27. > :40:30.communities for local communities, Stoke-on-Trent, Walsall, Solihull

:40:30. > :40:33.are at the cutting-edge of a revolution in local news.

:40:33. > :40:43.Birmingham has more of these websites than anywhere else in

:40:43. > :40:48.I could say you are watching the next generation of reporters and

:40:48. > :40:52.camera crews, but the children of Oratory Primary School are doing it

:40:52. > :40:57.all for real, including holding our politicians to account. It is about

:40:57. > :41:01.getting people involved in their local community, having a say. It

:41:01. > :41:10.is fantastic to be able to interview councillors, getting the

:41:10. > :41:14.young people's opinions across, and vice-versa. These children are part

:41:14. > :41:19.of the change in use, using the internet to deliver hyper local

:41:19. > :41:28.news, news for very small areas, and according to a new survey, the

:41:28. > :41:31.Midlands is leading the way. In my experience, I find local

:41:31. > :41:36.councillors respond pretty quickly, because they know that the people

:41:36. > :41:40.who read my website are the voters. We put together the people behind

:41:40. > :41:45.the revolution to swap ideas and experiences. All of this represents

:41:45. > :41:49.an opportunity for politicians, but also a problem, with an explosion

:41:49. > :41:55.in websites, how can you be sure you are talking to the right

:41:55. > :41:59.people? It is not just an army of blockers the politician's face.

:41:59. > :42:04.Birmingham is getting a new TV station. Instead of taking a broad

:42:04. > :42:11.brush stroke, we can be in the hearts and minds of the audience

:42:11. > :42:16.and the politicians. Let them engage in a more detailed way.

:42:16. > :42:20.of this effort from blockers is often unpaid and fuelled by passion,

:42:20. > :42:22.halting the powerful to account is not child's play, but should we be

:42:23. > :42:28.happy it is up to our children to do it?

:42:28. > :42:34.They are the voters of tomorrow, including those youngsters. We have

:42:34. > :42:37.seen some good examples, but there is an obvious worry about this

:42:37. > :42:43.online information and news, you cannot always be sure where it is

:42:43. > :42:49.coming from, whether you can trust everything you see. The great thing

:42:49. > :42:53.about online is that it is an opportunity to build a relationship

:42:53. > :42:58.with the people that are behind it and to get to the heart of the

:42:58. > :43:02.issues affecting the local community. That news network is

:43:02. > :43:06.fantastic, young people getting involved in their area, picking up

:43:06. > :43:10.skills, but also having the opportunity to put on the radar of

:43:11. > :43:15.their local councillors issues that matter to them. It is more an

:43:15. > :43:21.opportunity than a danger. Great community involvement, but there is

:43:21. > :43:28.a threat for local newspapers. worries me. I welcome that people

:43:28. > :43:35.can engage more in politics. But if a wider community loses access

:43:35. > :43:38.through local newspapers that, Baileys and understanding. If the

:43:38. > :43:43.issues become too parochial, we do not understand our issues with

:43:43. > :43:50.others. There is the question associated with that, holding to a

:43:50. > :43:57.coward people such as yourselves -- called into account. Local

:43:57. > :44:03.newspapers are better equipped to do that, some people say. There is

:44:03. > :44:07.some truth in that, but people who lead in at emir who see their

:44:07. > :44:11.rubbish has not been collected for two weeks, it has not been done

:44:11. > :44:16.properly, they can highlight and emir where a council service is

:44:16. > :44:21.failing more quickly than the local or regional media would get

:44:21. > :44:26.interested in. Because it is affecting them now, they are likely

:44:26. > :44:31.to be across it more quickly. There is an issue about crediting your

:44:31. > :44:36.sources if you are using material produced by other media, which is

:44:36. > :44:42.important, but again, I find it much more of a positive. Anybody

:44:42. > :44:47.can set themselves up as a website, there is a danger in this.

:44:47. > :44:57.Journalists are trained to ask the right questions, and websites are

:44:57. > :44:57.

:44:57. > :45:00.often parasitic on the professional journalists. We are very well aware

:45:00. > :45:04.that the established media have had some serious questions to answer

:45:04. > :45:10.about ourselves, but at least we are trained to understand the

:45:10. > :45:14.balance between the right to know and privacy, law, is there not a

:45:14. > :45:18.worry that it is a bit out of control out there? That is a

:45:18. > :45:23.problem with the internet is generally, anybody can set up a

:45:23. > :45:31.website and put on their unfounded allegations. It is a problem across

:45:31. > :45:34.the internet. In my own experience of these websites, those people are

:45:34. > :45:39.serious about it and they take their responsibilities seriously.

:45:39. > :45:44.You have an online offering. Diversity is good, but the

:45:44. > :45:49.traditional methods for political issues should be sustained, and

:45:49. > :45:53.politicians should work hard to support local newspapers.

:45:53. > :45:58.The Conservatives stand to lose a quarter of their parliamentary

:45:58. > :46:01.seats here in the Midlands as a direct result of the surge in

:46:01. > :46:08.support for the UK Independence Party. After a week when David

:46:08. > :46:14.Cameron delivered the big speech aimed at shoring up his support on

:46:14. > :46:18.Europe, growing support for UKIP's anti-European stance could overturn

:46:18. > :46:23.the balance of power. The maths have been done by Professor John

:46:23. > :46:27.Curtice of Strathclyde University. Recent opinion polls have put UKIP

:46:27. > :46:30.on an all-time high, placing them above the Liberal Democrats. Many

:46:30. > :46:35.of their potential supporters are traditional Tories, that is why

:46:35. > :46:39.there will be fewer Conservative votes. They did not actually win

:46:39. > :46:47.any seats themselves, but a reduced Tory turnout would pave the way for

:46:47. > :46:51.the Labour Party gains. What began largely as a protest vote is now

:46:51. > :46:56.set to change the colour of nine parliamentary seats here from blue

:46:56. > :47:00.to red. Two-thirds also of the rise in

:47:00. > :47:04.support that they have gained since the general election is coming from

:47:04. > :47:10.people who said they voted for the Conservatives. Protest is crucial,

:47:10. > :47:15.but these are people who are concerned about Europe. To the UKIP

:47:15. > :47:21.can pick up those voters because it is reasonably close to a number of

:47:21. > :47:25.the things that the Conservative supporters are concerned about.

:47:25. > :47:29.They are people like Margot James, do you think these findings of

:47:29. > :47:36.yours will come as a bolt from the blue, or have they been bracing

:47:36. > :47:41.themselves for this sort of eventuality? In truth, we will be

:47:41. > :47:45.looking at the events of the last 12 months, one of the unintended

:47:45. > :47:49.consequences of the formation of a coalition. Only now has it become

:47:49. > :47:58.evident to the Conservatives the potential risk, the way in which

:47:58. > :48:05.they could potentially lose votes, not to the Liberals, but to UKIP.

:48:05. > :48:08.They are potentially able to profit from their misfortune. What is your

:48:08. > :48:14.view of the talk that David Cameron's speech will turn add to

:48:14. > :48:21.be a game changer? It was designed to deal with UKIP. If the only

:48:21. > :48:24.reason for switching was about Europe. But it is broader than that,

:48:24. > :48:27.about the competence of the Conservative government, and we

:48:27. > :48:35.should not necessarily expect that that speech is necessarily going to

:48:35. > :48:40.bring these voters back onside. In a moment, we will talk to one of

:48:40. > :48:43.UKIP's leading figures in our part of the country. Bill Etheridge was

:48:43. > :48:47.the candidate for the police commissioner in the West Midlands,

:48:47. > :48:50.and he had to stand in the European elections.

:48:50. > :48:53.Our political reporters in Staffordshire, Shropshire and the

:48:53. > :49:00.Black Country have been finding out how the political landscape here

:49:00. > :49:05.could change. It is time for the British people

:49:05. > :49:11.to have their say. It is time for us to settle this question about

:49:11. > :49:14.Britain and Europe. So said David Cameron in his much anticipated

:49:14. > :49:19.speech on our membership of the European Union. Half the battle

:49:20. > :49:23.lines being drawn? The problem for the Prime Minister and the

:49:23. > :49:28.Conservatives is natural party supporters in towns like this one,

:49:28. > :49:34.Stafford. More and more voters are supporting UKIP, enough to cost the

:49:34. > :49:39.sitting Tory MP his seat. The first Castle on this site was a timber

:49:39. > :49:42.fortress built by the Normans almost a 1000 years ago. The battle

:49:42. > :49:46.of 1069 between William The Conqueror and Edric The Wild ended

:49:46. > :49:51.in a truce. Is this now the time for Conservatives and UKIP to lay

:49:51. > :49:56.down their arms and agree not to stand against each other? He has

:49:56. > :50:00.made an important speech about Europe, we will go into the next

:50:00. > :50:04.general a election promising a referendum on Europe, which is

:50:04. > :50:09.something that will be important to those people who might vote for

:50:09. > :50:17.UKIP. We ought to push forward with our arguments about Europe, not

:50:17. > :50:21.looking to endorse other peoples in some kind of pact. With UKIP's

:50:21. > :50:26.leader declaring war on the Tories, this site could be set for another

:50:26. > :50:31.spectacular battle. Whatever the outcome of that conflict, this is

:50:31. > :50:36.another pocket of the Midlands that could seat Conservative MP toppled.

:50:36. > :50:41.Stourbridge, home to the glass- making industry, the Red House cone

:50:41. > :50:46.and MP Margot James. She is another one who could go if UKIP continue

:50:46. > :50:51.to pick up votes, but the real winner is the Labour Party.

:50:51. > :50:56.Disenchanted Conservative voters switching to UKIP opens the door to

:50:56. > :51:00.a Labour Party victory. It has not gone unnoticed. Clearly, from the

:51:01. > :51:05.Labour Party's view, I am over the moon. It is impacting on the

:51:05. > :51:09.Conservatives or people switching from the Tories to UKIP, that has

:51:09. > :51:13.got to be beneficial to us, but what I want to see is the Labour

:51:13. > :51:20.Party gaining support on its own merits. Not because the Tories are

:51:20. > :51:24.cocking everything up. It is a situation that means in towns like

:51:24. > :51:32.this one the Conservatives have to fight two opponents, the official

:51:32. > :51:36.Labour Party opposition and a party that is not even in Parliament. But

:51:36. > :51:41.this is not just about seats Conservatives could lose. That is

:51:41. > :51:46.also about the ones they have not won. Our own world heritage site

:51:46. > :51:51.still has a Labour MP, just. A good showing from UKIP in Telford helped

:51:51. > :51:55.keep the Tories out in 2010. Ironbridge is as popular with

:51:55. > :52:00.political number-crunchers as it is with day-trippers. Just as the

:52:00. > :52:06.court has its dangers, one of our voices in Europe who quit UKIP says

:52:06. > :52:10.voters should be aware of her former party. They have spent �43

:52:10. > :52:14.million since they were elected and achieved nothing. There is also the

:52:14. > :52:19.message that there is only one political party bridging the divide

:52:19. > :52:23.between our elected leaders and demands for a referendum. We do not

:52:23. > :52:29.have any other policies, we are a single issue pressure group Party,

:52:29. > :52:34.that is how we fundamentally differ. Not all members of UKIP support a

:52:34. > :52:38.referendum. But what are still to flow, UKIP might struggle to

:52:38. > :52:48.maintain their present buoyancy, but if they do, a quarter of our

:52:48. > :52:52.

:52:52. > :53:00.Conservative MPs could be heading There is more about this on my

:53:00. > :53:06.latest website post. Bill Etheridge is also planning to

:53:06. > :53:09.stand a for UKIP in Dudley North, one of six local constituencies

:53:09. > :53:14.where the Conservatives narrowly failed in the last election,

:53:14. > :53:19.because of voters switching to UKIP. The Prime Minister has set out

:53:19. > :53:23.circumstances in which this country could withdraw from the EU. What

:53:23. > :53:27.has that done for your unique message to the electorate? It is

:53:28. > :53:33.not unique any more. It has not done anything, because that is just

:53:33. > :53:41.one of our policies, the reason for UKIP, which are a different party

:53:41. > :53:46.from the establishment. We need to be outside of the EU, that is it.

:53:46. > :53:50.How can it be in the interests of the policies that you say you

:53:50. > :53:55.support to set up a situation which makes a Labour Party government are

:53:55. > :53:58.more likely because they are unseating a nine Tories, and you

:53:58. > :54:02.can be sure that a majority Labour Party government would take a lot

:54:02. > :54:06.of the things you favour straight off the table? The important

:54:07. > :54:14.message that the electorate need to understand, if you vote UKIP, you

:54:14. > :54:19.get UKIP. If you vote UKIP, you get the Labour Party. It is a first

:54:19. > :54:24.past the post system, if we get enough people,... We have got

:54:24. > :54:28.separate policies, totally different, we are not beholden to

:54:28. > :54:32.unions or big business. Vote for us, what happens to the other parties

:54:32. > :54:39.is not important to us. What happens to this country is what

:54:39. > :54:43.matters. Smaller parties do tend to suffer a bit of a squeeze as

:54:43. > :54:47.general elections approach, so would now not be a good time to

:54:47. > :54:55.think about the pact being suggested by the Lichfield

:54:55. > :54:58.Conservative MP Michael Fabricant? No. It is a symbol of the

:54:58. > :55:04.desperation of the Conservative Party. David Cameron's speech was

:55:04. > :55:08.about that as well. We have got our own views, owl way of going about

:55:08. > :55:14.things, we are be separate party, a lot of our members would never vote

:55:14. > :55:20.Tory, which are independent. Conservative party is desperate, so

:55:20. > :55:27.is the Prime Minister, you are on the run. I do not agree. We did not

:55:27. > :55:32.lose as much due to UKIP as is claimed. UKIP are a threat, but we

:55:32. > :55:41.should not panic. Europe is the fifth most important concern for

:55:41. > :55:46.voters. What would you really say to somebody who instinctively is at

:55:46. > :55:52.the more Euro-friendly end of your party, to a more traditional

:55:52. > :55:56.Conservative supporter twinned with the idea of voting for UKIP? They

:55:57. > :56:01.will be more likelihood of a Labour Party government. It was with the

:56:01. > :56:06.Liberals in the past, it is the same argument, it is still valid.

:56:06. > :56:11.What really concerns you, crime, the economy, immigration, we are

:56:11. > :56:15.dealing with them. For the Labour Party, you want to build up the

:56:15. > :56:19.support in your own terms, but Darren Cooper said you are not

:56:19. > :56:26.going to look too closely at the colour of the money if there is a

:56:26. > :56:30.split between UKIP and the Tories. What I am interested in is talking

:56:30. > :56:33.to the electorate, people flirting with other parties, I want to make

:56:33. > :56:37.the case for why they should be voting for the Labour Party.

:56:37. > :56:45.would not mind being elected by default? You have got to make a

:56:45. > :56:49.pitch to the electorate. First past the post is the system. If people

:56:49. > :56:54.are splitting the Tory vote, on the left, there are people buying for

:56:54. > :56:59.Labour votes. We have got to make our pitch to the electorate. One of

:56:59. > :57:02.the point that UKIP make, they feel they can appeal not just to

:57:02. > :57:06.Conservatives but to old Labour voters, because the main parties,

:57:06. > :57:11.they feel, are losing touch with traditional British values, gay

:57:11. > :57:16.marriage is a troublesome issue, there are others, and Bill feels he

:57:16. > :57:19.is in the tide of public opinion. The majority of support is coming

:57:19. > :57:25.from the Conservative Party, but a lot is coming from the Labour Party.

:57:25. > :57:31.It appeals to older male voters in particular. I am not complacent

:57:31. > :57:35.about the fact that there are people who voted Labour before who

:57:35. > :57:39.we still have to convince to vote Labour in the next general election.

:57:39. > :57:44.We are ambitious in the task we face, which are interested in

:57:44. > :57:48.talking to people across the spectrum, all over the country, to

:57:48. > :57:52.be a national party, not primarily based in the south, which is a

:57:52. > :58:00.problem affecting the Tories, a party of north, south, across the

:58:00. > :58:06.UK. You are hearing a from the two big parties, which have a much

:58:06. > :58:09.broader, more sophisticated range of policies. They have got a much

:58:09. > :58:13.larger picture about a finance, a much larger network of people

:58:13. > :58:20.working for them, but you could not put a cigarette paper between their

:58:20. > :58:24.policies. It is not true. There is a consensus in the establishment,

:58:24. > :58:30.which offers something different. Some of the things that the big

:58:30. > :58:35.parties are not talking about, you come to UKIP. Would you like to see

:58:36. > :58:42.more Conservative or Labour MPs? want UKIP MPs. The reality is that

:58:42. > :58:48.all you can do is divide the vote. With 16% of the vote, that is the %

:58:48. > :58:53.of the poll ratings, realistically, it is between them and the Liberal

:58:53. > :58:58.Democrats. The Green Party won a seat, they have got nothing like

:58:58. > :59:01.our support. We have got to organise ourselves properly and

:59:01. > :59:05.stop making the best of this great support that we are starting to get,

:59:06. > :59:15.to put the heat on the Tories and Labour. A prediction for the local

:59:15. > :59:19.elections? We will take lots of seats. We will be watching.

:59:19. > :59:29.It is time now for a round-up of the rest of the political elite in

:59:29. > :59:32.

:59:32. > :59:42.Where have all of the customers got? Businesses in Birmingham think

:59:42. > :59:42.

:59:42. > :59:44.the snow cost them �50 million a day in lost trade. Sentenced to

:59:44. > :59:50.death, Cheltenham grandmother Lindsay Sandiford was found guilty

:59:50. > :59:54.of smuggling cocaine in Indonesia. Her MP will fight the case. There

:59:54. > :59:59.is an appeal process, and the possibility of the Supreme Court,

:59:59. > :00:03.and an appeal for clemency to the President. Could a takeover safety

:00:03. > :00:07.Redditch hospital? It stands to lose its A&E, but a new plan has

:00:07. > :00:14.emerged that could see it run by the Queen Elizabeth Hospital in

:00:14. > :00:21.Birmingham. Fewer cars than ever are using the M6 toll, last year

:00:21. > :00:24.was its quietest. When employment in the Midlands went up, but news

:00:24. > :00:34.for Rolls Royce, nearly 400 jobs are to go with the closure of the

:00:34. > :00:37.

:00:37. > :00:40.Until the autumn reshuffle, Peter Luff was the minister for defence

:00:40. > :00:46.procurement, did you see this terrible body blow for the Rolls-

:00:46. > :00:52.Royce workers coming? Not quite as it is being betrayed. It is likely

:00:52. > :00:55.the support worker will come up over a number of years, declined to

:00:55. > :01:01.nothing, and other jobs are generated elsewhere in the UK. It

:01:01. > :01:05.is not good news for them, and it is unwelcome, but other parts of

:01:05. > :01:09.the country will benefit. The unions or a hoping those workers

:01:09. > :01:15.might be redeployed. They are some of the most profitable businesses

:01:16. > :01:19.on earth, there aero-engines. important that unions work with

:01:19. > :01:23.management to make sure they can retain those jobs, even if it is

:01:23. > :01:27.moving them around to different sites or in two different divisions.

:01:27. > :01:31.I am keen that everybody works together to get the best outcome

:01:31. > :01:36.possible for the workers. suspicion is, when we talk about

:01:36. > :01:40.people moving around and being redeployed, this is a euphemism for

:01:40. > :01:45.cuts, and it comes down to cuts in the end. The union has chosen to

:01:45. > :01:49.highlight the bad news, when there is so much good news. They have

:01:49. > :01:54.taken a story and spun it irresponsibly, making the situation

:01:54. > :02:01.worse. The figures for them are not bad at all. They have got a duty to

:02:01. > :02:05.stand up for the workers. I did not see the press release for Jaguar

:02:05. > :02:10.Land Rover. They are keen to stand up for the interests of the workers,

:02:10. > :02:14.that is the most important thing. We could go on all day, it is very

:02:14. > :02:22.interesting. As far as the Midlands are concerned, this is where we