:00:36. > :00:39.Morning folks. Welcome to the Sunday Politics.
:00:40. > :00:42.Pressure on Culture Secretary Maria Miller mounts as the Tory press
:00:43. > :00:47.Tory voters and even a Tory Minister turn against her. That's our top
:00:48. > :00:50.story. The economic outlook is getting
:00:51. > :00:55.rosier. But Ed Miliband is having none of it. The cost of living
:00:56. > :01:05.crisis is here to stay, says Labour. Shadow Minister Caroline Flint joins
:01:06. > :01:08.us for the Sunday Interview. And we bring you the Sunday Politics
:01:09. > :01:10.Gallery. But which former world leader is behind these paintings of
:01:11. > :01:23.In awe of you. world leaders?
:01:24. > :01:32.new London borough. A blue flint for regeneration or economic Armageddon?
:01:33. > :01:37.And with me as always, the best and the brightest political panel in the
:01:38. > :01:40.business - Janan Ganesh, Helen Lewis and Nick Watt. Their tweets will be
:01:41. > :01:45.as brief as a Cabinet Minister's apology.
:01:46. > :01:50.A frenzy of betting on the Grand National yesterday. But there was
:01:51. > :01:53.one book on which betting was suspended, and that was on the fate
:01:54. > :01:56.of Culture Secretary Maria Miller, now the 2/1 favourite to be forced
:01:57. > :01:59.out the Cabinet. She galloped through her apology to the Commons
:02:00. > :02:03.on Thursday in just 32 seconds. But speed did her no favours. There s
:02:04. > :02:07.been mounting pressure on her to resign ever since, especially from
:02:08. > :02:09.Tories. And this weekend the Chairman of the Independent
:02:10. > :02:12.Parliamentary Standards Authority, Ian Kennedy, said it's time MPs gave
:02:13. > :02:26.away the power to decide how colleagues who break the rules are
:02:27. > :02:32.punished. An inquiry into Maria Miller's expenses claims was launch
:02:33. > :02:37.in 2012, following allegations he claimed ?90,000 to fund a house she
:02:38. > :02:42.lived in part time with her parents. She had designated this her second
:02:43. > :02:44.home. She was referred to the Parliamentary Standards
:02:45. > :02:51.Commissioner, who recommended that she repay ?45,000. But this week the
:02:52. > :02:55.Commons Standards Committee, comprising of MPs from all parties,
:02:56. > :03:02.dismissed the complaint against Maria Miller and ordered her to
:03:03. > :03:09.repay just ?5,800 for inadvertently overclaiming her merge claimants.
:03:10. > :03:13.She was forced to apologise to the Commons for the legalistic way she
:03:14. > :03:18.dealt with the complaints against her. But Tony Gallagher told the
:03:19. > :03:23.Daily Politics on Friday: We got a third call from Craig Oliver who
:03:24. > :03:27.pointed out, she is looking at Leveson and the call is badly timed.
:03:28. > :03:29.I think if you are making a series of telephone calls to a newspaper
:03:30. > :03:31.organisation investigating the conduct of a Cabinet Minister, that
:03:32. > :03:36.comes close After that interview Craig Oliver
:03:37. > :03:40.contacted us, saying there was no threat in anyway over Leveson. I
:03:41. > :03:45.mead it clear at the time. Tony Gallagher is talking rubbish about
:03:46. > :03:48.me, and you can use that. The Daily Telegraph have released a tape of a
:03:49. > :03:53.phone call between Maria Miller s aid, Joanna Hindley, and a reporter
:03:54. > :03:58.investigating her expenses claim. Joanna Hindley said:
:03:59. > :04:05.Maria's obviously been having quite a lot of editor's meetings around
:04:06. > :04:10.Leveson at the moment. So I'm just going to kind of flag up that
:04:11. > :04:13.connection for you to think about. The Prime Minister is sticking by
:04:14. > :04:16.his Culture Secretary, but this weekend's crescendo of criticism of
:04:17. > :04:19.her presents him with a problem and he could be wishing Maria Miller
:04:20. > :04:25.would just fall on her sword. Even over 80% of Tory voters in a Mail on
:04:26. > :04:28.Sunday poll think she should go On the Andrew Marr Show, the Work and
:04:29. > :04:35.Pensions Secretary, Iain Duncan Smith, defended his colleague. I've
:04:36. > :04:40.known her always to be a reasonable and honest person. But is she doing
:04:41. > :04:43.the Government or her any good by staying in office at the moment do
:04:44. > :04:47.you think? This is a matter the Prime Minister has to take
:04:48. > :04:52.consideration of and she herself. My view generally is I'm supportive of
:04:53. > :04:57.Maria, because if we are not careful we end one a witch-hunt of somebody.
:04:58. > :05:00.And I'm joined now by the Conservative MP, Bob Stewart, and
:05:01. > :05:02.the man in the white suit, former MP and anti-sleaze campaigner Martin
:05:03. > :05:05.Bell. Welcome to you both. Stuart Stuart sturkts let me put this to
:05:06. > :05:09.you, a Conservative MP told this programme, this is a quote, she has
:05:10. > :05:15.handled this appallingly. Downing Street has acted like judge and
:05:16. > :05:18.jury, for Craig Oliver to get involved is disastrous. She's been
:05:19. > :05:22.protected by the whips from the start. What do you say to that? It's
:05:23. > :05:27.not great, is it? The fact of the matter is the question one should
:05:28. > :05:33.ask is, did she deliberately try to make money? Did she deliberately try
:05:34. > :05:37.to obscure ate? The answer is she certainly didn't deliberately try to
:05:38. > :05:41.make money, in the system, which was the old system, and with regard to
:05:42. > :05:46.obscure ago, I wasn't there, but let's put it this way. She was going
:05:47. > :05:51.through a quasi-judicial process and might have ended up in court, so she
:05:52. > :05:56.has a right to defend herself. Hold on o you said she doesn't do it to
:05:57. > :06:00.make money, she remortgaged the house a couple of times to earn more
:06:01. > :06:04.interest to us, the taxpayer, and when interest rates went down she
:06:05. > :06:09.didn't reduce the amount she was charging in expenses. Well, the
:06:10. > :06:14.point is the adjudicator said there was ?45,000 she was owed. And then a
:06:15. > :06:19.committee, Standards Committee, said actually it should be reduced. That
:06:20. > :06:23.was mainly MPs but there are three lay members. Yes, but they don't
:06:24. > :06:27.have the vote. OK, fine, that is where it is wrong and we've got to
:06:28. > :06:31.get it sorted. Let me put another quote from our Conservative MP. He
:06:32. > :06:37.didn't want to be named. None of you do at the moment. I'm being named.
:06:38. > :06:40.But you are backing her. George young in cahoots. He's been leading
:06:41. > :06:45.on the Standards Committee to find her innocent. The Standards
:06:46. > :06:49.Committee is unfit for purpose. I think the Standards Committee should
:06:50. > :06:55.be revisited. I think the system is still evolving. And I think actually
:06:56. > :06:59.we ought to have totally independent judgment on MPs' pay and allowances.
:07:00. > :07:04.We haven't have not got there yet and that is where it is wrong.
:07:05. > :07:07.Martin Bell, have MPs interfered in the Maria Miller process and with
:07:08. > :07:11.the current Standards Commissioner in the same way that they saw off a
:07:12. > :07:17.previous Commissioner they thought was too independent? Andrew it is
:07:18. > :07:25.exactly the same. Yesterday I looked at a diary entry I made for May
:07:26. > :07:31.2000, I said, dreadful meeting standards and privileges, they are
:07:32. > :07:37.playing party politics. One of them told Elizabeth fill kin to her face
:07:38. > :07:41.the gossip in the tea room was she had gone crazy. Nothing's changed.
:07:42. > :07:46.What this shows is most of all, what's the committee for? If it is
:07:47. > :07:52.just going to rubber stamp what the party wants and its mates, I don't
:07:53. > :07:56.see any point. But it hasn't rubber stamped. It's changed it. Well, it
:07:57. > :08:00.has watered down. That's why we should make it totally independent
:08:01. > :08:08.and it shouldn't be involved in the House of Commons. It is plus plus ca
:08:09. > :08:13.change isn't it? MPs', scandal, and MPs closing ranks for one of their
:08:14. > :08:17.own. Has the Commons learned nothing? And this is after the
:08:18. > :08:22.expenses scandal, where everything was out for everybody to see, you
:08:23. > :08:26.would think MPs would be careful. This is before the expenses scandal.
:08:27. > :08:30.We are looking at an historical event, during your time, Martin not
:08:31. > :08:35.mine. I'm clean on this. You campaigned for him as an
:08:36. > :08:40.independent. I did, he was a good friend of mine. And now you've
:08:41. > :08:44.joined the club. And now you are defending Maria Miller? I'm
:08:45. > :08:47.defending someone who hasn't been proved guilty of anything beyond the
:08:48. > :08:52.fact she was rather slow to come forward with evidence. My point on
:08:53. > :08:57.that, is I understand that. MPs are being lambasted the whole time these
:08:58. > :09:01.days. There were a heck of a lot of them, Martin, who are utterly
:09:02. > :09:05.decent. She didn't try to make money. We've just been through that.
:09:06. > :09:10.I don't think that's right. The jury is out on that. What should have
:09:11. > :09:14.happened in the Miller case, Martin Bell? I don't think there should be
:09:15. > :09:18.a committee on standards. I think the Commissioner should make a
:09:19. > :09:22.report. There has been to be justice for the MP complained against. Then
:09:23. > :09:27.the committee of the whole House can consider it. But we are, the House
:09:28. > :09:34.of Commons, then as now is incapable of regulating itself. That's been
:09:35. > :09:39.proving yet again. She made a perfunctory apology. She threatened
:09:40. > :09:43.and instructed the Standards Commissioner investigating her, and
:09:44. > :09:47.her special adviser linked expenses to Leveson, when trying to stop the
:09:48. > :09:52.Daily Telegraph from publishing I mean, is that the behaviour of a
:09:53. > :09:54.Cabinet Minister? Well, it's probably not the behaviour of
:09:55. > :10:00.someone that's got time on their hands. She's a very busy Cabinet
:10:01. > :10:05.Minister. Well, she had enough time to write lots of letters to the
:10:06. > :10:13.Standards Commission ser. She felt under such threat. She had the time.
:10:14. > :10:16.She had to make the time. Die know the lady is not trying desperately
:10:17. > :10:21.to make money. I disagree but on that. The fact of the matter is
:10:22. > :10:26.this was an old, old system, that we've tried to put right, or the
:10:27. > :10:30.Commons has tried to put right. I agree that MPs shouldn't get
:10:31. > :10:36.involved in this. Should we get rid of this committee? It serves no
:10:37. > :10:39.purpose except to cause trouble The adjudicator has said that and it
:10:40. > :10:44.should be the end of it. It shouldn't come back to the Commons.
:10:45. > :10:48.Although her special adviser threatened them over Leveson she was
:10:49. > :10:53.and is the Minister responsible for trying to introduce something like
:10:54. > :11:00.Leveson and that is something a big chunk that the press doesn't want.
:11:01. > :11:06.She is a target. It has a good record on this issue. It played wit
:11:07. > :11:11.a straight bat. The facts aren't in dispute are they? Will she make it
:11:12. > :11:15.to the next cabinet reshuffle and then go? Iain Duncan Smith said it
:11:16. > :11:21.is a matter for the Prime Minister. In my view, as things stand, I
:11:22. > :11:27.question did she deliberately want to make money? I don't think she
:11:28. > :11:31.did. Should she go? No. Should she be reshuffled? I don't know.
:11:32. > :11:36.Goodness me, you are asking someone who will never be reshuffled,
:11:37. > :11:40.because he will never make it. I was only asking for your opinion, not
:11:41. > :11:45.your ability to do it. This is a problem for Cameron isn't it? It is
:11:46. > :11:52.a problem for Cameron. There is nothing wrong with returning to be
:11:53. > :11:58.badge benches, as you know. Hear, hear. To that. Stick with me. Helen,
:11:59. > :12:04.can she survive? Is I'm going out of the prediction game when I said
:12:05. > :12:10.Clegg is going to win the date, so I owe Janan a tenner on that one.
:12:11. > :12:17.Grant Shapps has supported her. She was ringed by Sir George young and
:12:18. > :12:22.Jeremy Hunt... This is pretty devastating. On past form David
:12:23. > :12:28.Cameron hates having to bounce people out of the cabinet. He will
:12:29. > :12:31.want to keep Maria Miller until the summer reshuffle. This is a question
:12:32. > :12:33.mark on whether she survive this is. This isn't damaging to the
:12:34. > :12:39.Conservative or the Labour Party, it is damaging to everyone. This is
:12:40. > :12:42.catastrophic damage to the entire political establishment. Every
:12:43. > :12:46.single speech that David Cameron and Ed Miliband have given since 20 9,
:12:47. > :12:50.talking about restoring trust, they can wipe them from their computers,
:12:51. > :12:55.because voters are going to look that there and say, this lot haven't
:12:56. > :13:00.learnt anything. They are giving perfunctory apologies and then you
:13:01. > :13:06.have MPs sitting in judgment on MPs and rather than paying back ?45 000,
:13:07. > :13:11.she pays back ?5,800 after MPs have been into it. Damage is huge. Just
:13:12. > :13:15.getting rid of one Cabinet Minister, you will need to do more than that.
:13:16. > :13:19.You will notice that Labour haven't made huge weather of this. No,
:13:20. > :13:24.goodness me, they have their own skeletons. Exactly. The person who
:13:25. > :13:29.has made hay out of this is Nigel Farage, who has not been backwards
:13:30. > :13:34.in coming forward. He doesn't seem to care about skeletons. The Prime
:13:35. > :13:38.Minister has be-Gunby backing her, but that's not popular even with
:13:39. > :13:43.Tory voters. How does he get out of this? This is the problem for him.
:13:44. > :13:49.Five years ago his reaction to the expenses scandal was seen by many
:13:50. > :13:53.Tory backbenchers as excessive. They felt hung out to dry by a man who is
:13:54. > :13:58.independently wealthy. To go from that to making a special exemption
:13:59. > :14:02.to Maria Miller because it is politically suitable is more
:14:03. > :14:04.incendiary and provocative. It is not just upsetting the voters and
:14:05. > :14:08.the Daily Telegraph but a good number of people behind him. I think
:14:09. > :14:14.they will get rid of her. I think the Government, to paraphrase
:14:15. > :14:21.Churchill, will zoo the decent thing after exhausting all options, of the
:14:22. > :14:27.European elections a reshuffle. The culture department has gone from a
:14:28. > :14:29.baulk water in haul to one of the most politically sensational jobs
:14:30. > :14:34.because of its proximity to the Leveson issue. She has to be
:14:35. > :14:49.replaced by someone Lily skillful and substantial. Mr Cameron is not
:14:50. > :14:55.short of smart women? Nikki Morgan, the education department, these are
:14:56. > :15:01.absolutely outstanding women and the problem that the generation elected
:15:02. > :15:09.in 2005, Maria Miller generation, there are some really good people
:15:10. > :15:13.elected in 2010. You are not responsible for hacking into the
:15:14. > :15:24.culture Department's Twitter account last night? I was out at the time!
:15:25. > :15:28.They all say that! One so, Maria Miller is like a modern-day Robin
:15:29. > :15:35.Hood... She robs the poor to help the rich. Which one of us has not
:15:36. > :15:44.embezzled the taxpayer? I reckon it is the lady. You have the perfect
:15:45. > :15:54.cover. We would not know how to would we? You cannot tweet from a
:15:55. > :15:58.mobile device, can you? Play it safe. No, do something dramatic
:15:59. > :16:01.Have lots of pledges. Have just a few pledges. Ah, there must be a
:16:02. > :16:04.Labour policy review reaching its conclusion because everyone has some
:16:05. > :16:12.free advice for the party about its message and the man delivering it.
:16:13. > :16:18.Here's Adam. He is well liked by the public don't quite buy him as a
:16:19. > :16:21.leader. The papers say he is in hock to the unions and the party has a
:16:22. > :16:26.lead in the polls but it is not solid. Bartenders Neil Kinnock. That
:16:27. > :16:34.is what they said Winnie who lost the 1982 election. The whole country
:16:35. > :16:41.deserves better and we will work to ensure that the day will come when
:16:42. > :16:46.with the Labour government, the country will get better. Someone who
:16:47. > :16:52.was there can see some spooky parallels. The important lesson from
:16:53. > :16:56.1992 is it cannot rest on your laurels and hope for the best, you
:16:57. > :17:01.cannot sit on a lead of seven points because the election narrows that
:17:02. > :17:04.and you cannot rely on the government not getting its act
:17:05. > :17:08.together because the Conservative Party was well funded and organised,
:17:09. > :17:14.the double whammy posters, the tax bombshell, but incredibly effective
:17:15. > :17:20.and the message was unified and they beat us on the campaign. The lesson
:17:21. > :17:23.for Labour today is this lead will evaporate quite possibly over the
:17:24. > :17:29.next few months and we might go into the election behind in the polls.
:17:30. > :17:33.But Ed Miliband is getting conflicting advice about how to
:17:34. > :17:39.avoid 1992 happening. Be bold, be cautious and then, the idea that
:17:40. > :17:45.Labour can squeak into office with just 35% of the vote, which worries
:17:46. > :17:51.some people. Each month, the Labour Party meets around the country and
:17:52. > :17:56.last week, everybody spoke about the dangers of this 35% strategy. They
:17:57. > :18:01.were increasingly unhappy and it is very important that those people
:18:02. > :18:07.around the leader naturally have a duty to protect him and they make
:18:08. > :18:13.sure he gets this message that while there is total support for him, they
:18:14. > :18:16.do want this key year in the run-up to the General Election to be
:18:17. > :18:22.putting out an alternative which we can defend on the doorstep. The
:18:23. > :18:27.doorstep where Neil Kinnock made his concession speech is crammed with
:18:28. > :18:35.Spanish back hackers. The old Labour offices are no a budget hostel.
:18:36. > :18:39.Labour headquarters is down the road and they are putting the finishing
:18:40. > :18:42.touches to a speech Ed Miliband will give this week about the cost of
:18:43. > :18:47.living and I am told he will drop hints about new policies in juicy
:18:48. > :18:51.areas like housing, low pay, growth and devolving power. As for the
:18:52. > :18:55.charge that they are not radical enough, his people say they want to
:18:56. > :19:00.be bold but they have to be credible as well. They say that Labour is
:19:01. > :19:04.more united than it has ever been but there has been some grumbling
:19:05. > :19:08.that the cost of living campaign is not the same as a vision for the
:19:09. > :19:13.country. And that Ed Miliband was not statesman-like enough at Prime
:19:14. > :19:16.Minister's Questions and one figure who sat at the same table in the
:19:17. > :19:22.Neil Kinnock years summed it up like this. Things are OK but it feels
:19:23. > :19:25.like we're playing for the draw Shadow Energy Secretary Caroline
:19:26. > :19:39.Flint joins me now for the Sunday Interview. This 35% victory
:19:40. > :19:46.strategy, it does not sound very ambitious? I am campaigning to win
:19:47. > :19:50.this election with a majority government and everybody else around
:19:51. > :19:55.the table is also. But we want to go to every corner of the country and
:19:56. > :20:00.win votes for Labour and win seats, that is what we are working towards.
:20:01. > :20:08.To avoid last time, the coalition bartering. But that 35% is a victory
:20:09. > :20:13.strategy so are you saying there is no 35% strategy and that no one at
:20:14. > :20:19.the heart of Labour is not arguing for this? We are working to win
:20:20. > :20:23.around the country and to win all of those battle ground seats and we
:20:24. > :20:27.must have a strategy that appeals to a cross-section of the public but
:20:28. > :20:38.within that, that broad group Queen Elizabeth Olympic Park and. You
:20:39. > :20:40.could do that with 35% of the vote? There is lots of polling and
:20:41. > :20:46.everyone looks at this about what we need to do to get seats and we want
:20:47. > :20:54.to have a comprehensive majority at the next election to win to govern
:20:55. > :20:58.this country. Last week, we have been reading reports of splits in
:20:59. > :21:03.the party over policy and on tactics, even strategy. A struggle
:21:04. > :21:11.for control of the General Election manifesto, we are told. What are you
:21:12. > :21:13.arguing over? I said on the committee and just listening to the
:21:14. > :21:18.film before, it is about being radical but also credible and we are
:21:19. > :21:25.talking about evolution and that is an important subject but we are also
:21:26. > :21:28.united and to be honest, in 201 people were writing us off saying we
:21:29. > :21:34.would turn on ourselves and that has not been the case. We are not
:21:35. > :21:38.arguing about the fundamentals, we are discussing the policies that are
:21:39. > :21:42.coming up with different colleagues and talking about how we can make
:21:43. > :21:45.sure they are presented to the public and that is part of a
:21:46. > :21:53.process. That is a discussion, not disagreement. The Financial Times,
:21:54. > :21:58.which is usually pretty fair, reports a battle between Ed
:21:59. > :22:03.Miliband's radical instincts and the more business fiscal conservatism of
:22:04. > :22:08.Ed Balls. What side are you on? I am for radical change, I am for energy
:22:09. > :22:12.and I believe strongly we must be formed the market and people might
:22:13. > :22:18.portray that as anti-business but this is about more competition and
:22:19. > :22:22.transparency and others coming into this market so our policy on this is
:22:23. > :22:30.radical, not excepting the status quo. It is also for business.
:22:31. > :22:39.Opinion polls show that few people regard Ed Miliband as by Minister
:22:40. > :22:44.material -- Prime Minister material. That has been true since he became
:22:45. > :22:50.leader. And in some cases, they have been getting worse. Why is that
:22:51. > :22:55.Opinion polls say certain things about the personalities of leaders,
:22:56. > :23:01.David Cameron is not great either. And they were not great when he was
:23:02. > :23:08.in opposition. At this stage, he was getting 49% as Prime Minister real
:23:09. > :23:15.material and Ed Miliband, 19. - Prime Minister material. When you
:23:16. > :23:19.look at certain questions that the public is asked about who you think
:23:20. > :23:22.you would trust about being fair in terms of policy towards Britain who
:23:23. > :23:28.understands the cost of living crisis, they very much identify with
:23:29. > :23:35.Ed Miliband. We are ahead in the polls. Ed Miliband has made that
:23:36. > :23:41.happen. We have one more councillors, we have been running in
:23:42. > :23:44.by-elections and we have held this government over the barrel over six
:23:45. > :23:49.months on energy prices. That is to do with his leadership. The more
:23:50. > :23:57.that voters save him, the less they seem convinced. In 2011, he had been
:23:58. > :24:06.leader for one year, and only 1 % regarded him as weird, by 2014, that
:24:07. > :24:11.was 41%. Look at that! Look at that weirdness! What people need is to
:24:12. > :24:15.know where the Labour Party stands on fundamental issues. And in those
:24:16. > :24:20.areas, particularly the cost of living and fairness and people being
:24:21. > :24:24.concerned that we are entering into a period where people will be worse
:24:25. > :24:29.for the first time ever at the end of the Parliament, these things are
:24:30. > :24:37.important and Ed Miliband is part of our success. Definitely. I think
:24:38. > :24:42.this is ridiculous, to be fair, he is not a politician that says, I am
:24:43. > :24:50.dying with the Arctic monkeys, I know who is the number one. He did
:24:51. > :24:55.not play that game. -- down. He is not either there to portray himself
:24:56. > :24:59.as someone who was with the children, I know everything about
:25:00. > :25:03.popular culture. His authenticity is the most important thing. People do
:25:04. > :25:10.not think he is authentic, unless they think we were at is authentic.
:25:11. > :25:16.Is it true that his staff applaud him when he comes back after giving
:25:17. > :25:24.even a mediocre speech? I have never heard that. I have never heard about
:25:25. > :25:27.him being applauded. And I am pleased to applaud him with he makes
:25:28. > :25:31.speeches, I have given him a standing ovation. You have to do
:25:32. > :25:38.that because the cameras are rolling! No, he made a good speech.
:25:39. > :25:42.Five minutes without notes. It took a long time to memorise I don't
:25:43. > :25:48.blame him! The cost of living. Focusing on that, it has paid
:25:49. > :25:52.dividends. But inflation is falling and perhaps collapsing, unemployment
:25:53. > :25:59.is falling faster than anybody thought, as we can see. Wages are
:26:00. > :26:04.rising, soon faster than prices Retail sales are booming, people
:26:05. > :26:09.have got money in their pockets Isn't the cost of living crisis
:26:10. > :26:15.narrative running out of steam? I do not think so and I should say that I
:26:16. > :26:20.welcome any sign of positive changes in the economy, if anybody gets a
:26:21. > :26:26.job in Doncaster, I am pleased by the end of this Parliament families
:26:27. > :26:33.will be over ?900 worse off because of tax and benefit changes and the
:26:34. > :26:36.working person is ?1600 worse off and it is the first government since
:26:37. > :26:40.the 1870s where people will be at the end of the Parliament. We
:26:41. > :26:43.believe the government made wrong choices that lead the rich off at
:26:44. > :26:52.the expense of those on middle and lower incomes. -- let the rich. The
:26:53. > :26:57.average family ?794 worse off from tax and benefit changes. That has
:26:58. > :27:02.been backed up. They are those figures. But he has skewed these
:27:03. > :27:07.figures by including the richest, where the fall in tax and the
:27:08. > :27:12.penalty they pay is highest. If you take away the richest, it is nowhere
:27:13. > :27:16.near that figure. Everybody agrees and even the government and
:27:17. > :27:23.knowledges that at the end of their tenure in Parliament, people will be
:27:24. > :27:27.worse off. 350,000 extra people who would desperately like full-time
:27:28. > :27:30.work who are working part-time and 1 million young people unemployed and
:27:31. > :27:36.the reason the cost of living has a residence is people feel that. I was
:27:37. > :27:40.in a supermarket and at Doncaster and someone summed this up, he said
:27:41. > :27:45.I work hard and at the end of the week, beyond paying bills, I have
:27:46. > :27:53.got nothing else. If you take away the top 10% who are losing over
:27:54. > :28:00.?600,000, the average loss comes down to around ?400, less than half
:28:01. > :28:06.of what you claim. That figure is totally misleading. These are the
:28:07. > :28:13.figures from the IFS. It still shows... Whatever way you shape
:28:14. > :28:16.this, people will still be worse off, families worse off because of
:28:17. > :28:22.these changes to tax and benefits and working people because wages
:28:23. > :28:27.have not kept up with prices. Your energy portfolio, you back the
:28:28. > :28:31.enquiry into the big six companies and you intend to go ahead with the
:28:32. > :28:37.price freeze and reconfigure the market even before it reports. If
:28:38. > :28:40.you win, this is a waste of time? Whilst we have had this process
:28:41. > :28:45.before the announcement, we always feel if it goes that way, there
:28:46. > :28:48.might be areas we have not thought of that the enquiry will also draw
:28:49. > :28:53.attention to that we might want to add on. You are right, our basic
:28:54. > :28:59.reforms for the new regulator, to separate generation supply, we will
:29:00. > :29:03.pursue that. What happens if this report concludes that your plans are
:29:04. > :29:08.not correct? You will still go ahead? I don't think so. Actually,
:29:09. > :29:12.if you look at the report that Ofgem produced, some of the issues Labour
:29:13. > :29:17.has been drawing attention to like vertical integration, they cover
:29:18. > :29:23.that. I was asking about the Competition Commission? The report
:29:24. > :29:30.last week is a result of working together and I think it is clearly
:29:31. > :29:34.accepted in this sector, look at SSE last week, they will separate the
:29:35. > :29:54.business. We are pushing at the open door. It has already pulled out of
:29:55. > :29:58.gas. So it follows if you freeze energy prices across the market it
:29:59. > :30:01.might be the right thing to do but there will be a cost in terms of
:30:02. > :30:05.jobs and investment, correct? Well, I met with SSE last weekand the
:30:06. > :30:10.chief executive and talked about these issues. The jobs changes are
:30:11. > :30:13.partly about them looking at how they could be more efficient as a
:30:14. > :30:17.company. On offshore wind that wasn't really to do with the price
:30:18. > :30:19.freeze. That was more to do with issues around confidence in that
:30:20. > :30:25.area and therefore willing to put the money into it, as well as
:30:26. > :30:31.technical issues as well But there'll be job losses. Is that a
:30:32. > :30:35.price worth paying? We believe the reason we are having a price freeze
:30:36. > :30:38.is these companies have been overcharging customers and haven't
:30:39. > :30:42.been investing in their organisations and making them more
:30:43. > :30:46.efficient. I do not believe a price freeze is linked to job losses.
:30:47. > :30:50.These companies do need to be more efficient. Goal for all of us is
:30:51. > :30:54.realising the fantastic opportunity for more jobs and growth from an
:30:55. > :30:58.energy sector that has certainty going forward. That's what Labour
:30:59. > :31:00.will deliver. Caroline Flint, thank you.
:31:01. > :31:04.It's 1130 and you're watching The Sunday Politics. We say goodbye to
:31:05. > :31:05.viewers in Scotland, who leave us now for Sunday Politics Scotland.
:31:06. > :31:15.Coming up here evidence driven policy. I think it
:31:16. > :31:37.is Molly. survey suggests that our future is N
:31:38. > :31:41.Rather than out of Europe. @nd we are knocking to families affected by
:31:42. > :31:52.immigration policy. We are `sking if their government is right to blunt
:31:53. > :31:58.cupids arrow. We hope are two guests will bring some fresh era to our
:31:59. > :32:05.studio after a week of last. Steven Croft from UKIP and Darren Jones,
:32:06. > :32:13.Labour candidate for North West Bristol. We start with the
:32:14. > :32:21.governments attempts to standardise cigarette packaging. Where do you
:32:22. > :32:32.stand on this? I like to go with evidence driven policy whendver
:32:33. > :32:43.possible. There is evidence this will reduce the number of children
:32:44. > :32:49.taking up smoking. Even thehr health of the tobacco industry in Bristol
:32:50. > :32:54.would be overridden. I would rather less children in Bristol took up
:32:55. > :32:59.smoking every year. We need to protect jobs in Bristol and across
:33:00. > :33:15.the country but you need to get the balance. Has UKIP got a polhcy on
:33:16. > :33:24.this? We tend to be opposed to the nanny state in all its forms, but as
:33:25. > :33:30.an ex`smoker I do not think this will harm anybody. Anything that
:33:31. > :33:37.discourages children from t`king up smoking must be good. Peopld who
:33:38. > :33:44.smoke make their decisions on what they smoke at an early age `nd stay
:33:45. > :33:53.loyal. People do not see thd smoke these because they have a lovely
:33:54. > :33:58.locks. It will not harm anybody The debate over leaving Europe came to
:33:59. > :34:01.life this week with a showdown between Nick Clegg and Nigel
:34:02. > :34:08.Farage. Much was made of how our economy with the affected. Today
:34:09. > :34:16.this programme can reveal the results of a survey of firms in the
:34:17. > :34:18.region. First are business correspondent has been lookhng at
:34:19. > :34:24.the numbers. Either you shouldn't. Busindss does
:34:25. > :34:45.not get more international than less. We have got clients from
:34:46. > :34:51.Australia to the United States. 100 people work here writing colputer
:34:52. > :34:55.programmes and safety manuals. It is a huge international trade. The sort
:34:56. > :34:59.of people you would expect to be fully committed to staying hn
:35:00. > :35:13.Europe. I would tick the box for out. The EU is a particular block
:35:14. > :35:19.for this man. People are given a fright in to see if they can out of
:35:20. > :35:24.the EU they cannot do international business. That is rubbish. How many
:35:25. > :35:30.other companies think it is time to leave the EU? Not as many as you
:35:31. > :35:43.might think. Then our survex just 18% were for. Just. That will come
:35:44. > :35:55.as something of a relief to Euro enthusiasts like the Lib Dels. There
:35:56. > :36:02.is a rescue. It is like the debates between Scotland and the rest of the
:36:03. > :36:08.UK. It is a leak of faith. The market remains largely open. You are
:36:09. > :36:15.part of the single market btt have no see over the rules. He whll find
:36:16. > :36:21.support in this industrial dstate. This high`tech firm is worrhed about
:36:22. > :36:27.leaving the EU. We would be worse off. I remember when we used to have
:36:28. > :36:31.huge amounts of documenting processes to get anything exported,
:36:32. > :36:36.where as now it is very simple. They sell all over Europe. This bottle
:36:37. > :36:41.will end up in Greece. This study is destined for Slovenia. Therd are
:36:42. > :36:46.hundreds of companies selling across Europe. Then the survey we
:36:47. > :36:52.discovered that 50% think wd are better then the EU. Do they love
:36:53. > :37:00.Brussels? No. Why not? Becatse of this stuff. It is the oldest
:37:01. > :37:06.complaint in the book and the most common in the survey. Red t`pe they
:37:07. > :37:12.is stifling trade. Although all of our ingredidnts are
:37:13. > :37:15.completely safe we now have two really registered the entird
:37:16. > :37:19.products. It is just the sale ingredients that we have to do a lot
:37:20. > :37:26.more proving. How much will it cost you? This will cost ?250,000 that is
:37:27. > :37:32.a huge amount of money that it is something we have to do. So you back
:37:33. > :37:37.the EU but you do not love this red tape. I wish they would takd more
:37:38. > :37:40.notice of the problems that we suffer a wife and the kind of
:37:41. > :37:46.efforts that we have to go through to meet all these wonderful
:37:47. > :37:51.regulations. No love for Brtssels from business. Instead a rather
:37:52. > :37:55.grudging better in than out. He to digests the figures from this
:37:56. > :38:02.survey is Stephen Robertson on the chairman of business West. What did
:38:03. > :38:08.you make of the findings? What we found was that about 50% of the
:38:09. > :38:14.respondents big and small btsinesses said that on balance they w`nted to
:38:15. > :38:21.stay in the EU. Slightly fewer than 20% said they would be bettdr off if
:38:22. > :38:27.we left. Even that 50% who wanted to stay and were far from happx with
:38:28. > :38:36.everything about Brussels and they had criticisms as your piecd brought
:38:37. > :38:41.to life. Red tape. Waste. Possibly seeing that we need change puickly.
:38:42. > :38:48.All these firms that were asked did they have a stake in Europe? They
:38:49. > :38:53.were a mixture of big and slall and a mixture of exporters,
:38:54. > :38:57.manufacturers, as well as pdople did not export. A whole cross`sdction.
:38:58. > :39:05.Was there any point in asking people who did not export? There is a world
:39:06. > :39:14.be on Europe as well. Steve Crowther, does this law a whole
:39:15. > :39:21.under the water line for yot? I was very encouraged by the pack`ge. The
:39:22. > :39:28.point was made clearly. Gentleman that makes insect repellent said on
:39:29. > :39:33.balance he was like to be in because he remembered all the paperwork
:39:34. > :39:44.Later in the package she is having to rip up the paperwork and spends
:39:45. > :39:48.?250,000 making a new requirements. Vince Cable illuminated this. He
:39:49. > :39:54.says there is a risk. Busindsses are being taught that as a rest. You do
:39:55. > :39:59.not think it is a rest. I do not think there is a risk. Digbx Jones
:40:00. > :40:03.said last year and 24 hours of the UK was withdrawing from the European
:40:04. > :40:12.Union it would have all the trade agreement it needs. Is Labotr going
:40:13. > :40:15.to come out battling for thd EU I was pleased to see this report
:40:16. > :40:25.because it reflects Labour Party policy. We just have to be sensible
:40:26. > :40:28.about this. We cannot resort to the rhetoric that we have seen of the
:40:29. > :40:38.last weeks. This is about pdople 's likelihoods. You are clearlx in and
:40:39. > :40:42.no referendum? If there is ` major transfer of power to Brussels
:40:43. > :40:49.British people will have thd right to see. People are not happx with
:40:50. > :40:54.the EU at the moment. The kdy point here. You look at the Conservative
:40:55. > :40:59.policy that says they will negotiate and have a referendum in 2007. We
:41:00. > :41:04.have said we are for reform in Europe but it has to be a strong
:41:05. > :41:08.button in Europe. Let us go back to the business point of view. Our
:41:09. > :41:15.company is out of step with general public opinion? What businesses are
:41:16. > :41:19.seeing is that this level of uncertainty is hurting us and we
:41:20. > :41:23.need to set this issue quickly. Businesses are looking at the issue
:41:24. > :41:28.from the point of view of m`king sure that bottom line is intuitive
:41:29. > :41:32.from the difficulties. As wd have seen in the debates recentlx the
:41:33. > :41:38.debate is far reaching. I do not think the business element of the
:41:39. > :41:42.debate is either intrusive dnough or secondly I do not think we `re
:41:43. > :41:45.getting firm information from government, from other political
:41:46. > :41:50.parties, to tell us what can be done. Could we have free tr`de
:41:51. > :41:57.agreements and 24 hours? Th`t sounds an extraordinary claim. Digby Jones
:41:58. > :42:02.said it. He used to be head of the CPI. He ought to know what he's
:42:03. > :42:08.talking about. A couple of weeks ago I met a commissioner in Str`sbourg
:42:09. > :42:15.and had an off the record anything. He was under no illusion thdy would
:42:16. > :42:22.play hardball potentials to me. Why cut off their nose to spite your
:42:23. > :42:28.face? We are the biggest export markets. Business does not work like
:42:29. > :42:33.that. That does not how bushness works. Look how long it is taking
:42:34. > :42:42.the EU to set up featuring agreements. It is lagging bdhind
:42:43. > :42:47.Switzerland. We have to press on. What price love? If you want to
:42:48. > :42:51.bring a loved one year from outside Europe the answer is just over
:42:52. > :42:55.?18,000 per year that is wh`t you need to Aaron to make sure xour
:42:56. > :43:03.partner qualifies for a Vis` to come and work with you. `` that hs the
:43:04. > :43:09.salary you need to achieve to make sure your partner qualifies for a
:43:10. > :43:13.Visa. What happens when you fall hn love
:43:14. > :43:24.with someone who has not allowed to live in the UK. That happens to Andy
:43:25. > :43:28.and Molly Russell from Bath. British citizens have to earn ?18,600 to
:43:29. > :43:33.bring their partners you thdy are not from Europe. At the timd and
:43:34. > :43:41.they did not. It meant Mollx had to work in China. They made thhs video
:43:42. > :43:48.to show what it was like. I would come home every evening to
:43:49. > :43:55.the realisation that my wifd is thousands of miles away on her own.
:43:56. > :44:01.The boys were without both their mum and dad. They took it very `ctually.
:44:02. > :44:08.What sort of man cannot keep this family together? But their love
:44:09. > :44:12.story does have happy ending. Andy now has a job paying over the
:44:13. > :44:15.threshold and Molly is a job paying over the threshold and Mollx is
:44:16. > :44:26.allowed to live with her in that system think the policy is cynical.
:44:27. > :44:29.To win votes they are giving the British public what they thhnk the
:44:30. > :44:36.British public want. The newspapers tell us that immigration is a
:44:37. > :44:43.problem. Even one of my colleagues said there is no space. It hs hard
:44:44. > :44:47.to keep a relationship going when you can only communicate online I
:44:48. > :44:51.have spoken to several families in the West to have had to do that
:44:52. > :44:55.That the government says thd new rules are effective in helphng to
:44:56. > :44:58.keep down emigration. The Home Office did not want to be
:44:59. > :45:01.interviewed about these new rules come through because they are
:45:02. > :45:23.currently subject to a legal challenge. That they said:
:45:24. > :45:29.strictly, even to those who have served their country. This lan was
:45:30. > :45:34.born in South Africa but is now British and has been living in
:45:35. > :45:38.Swindon. He served in the British Army for ten years. He did Jews of
:45:39. > :45:46.Afghanistan and Iraq. After being made redundant they had been earning
:45:47. > :45:56.below the threshold. `` the served in Afghanistan and Iraq. Thdy are
:45:57. > :46:05.what drives me. It is a sad situation. It is emotionallx
:46:06. > :46:09.breaking me. I feel so let down It is Conservative Party policx to
:46:10. > :46:13.reduce net migration to the UK to the tens of thousands. Latest
:46:14. > :46:16.figures show emigration rishng. The High Court does decide the new
:46:17. > :46:22.income rules are too strict form the eating that come at harder.
:46:23. > :46:34.Steve Carell you would need a heart of stone to keep a family apart
:46:35. > :46:37.These are sad stories. One of the issues that we see here is that the
:46:38. > :46:44.government is trying to control immigration, but it has both hands
:46:45. > :46:49.tied behind its back. We have open door freedom of movement to all of
:46:50. > :46:53.the citizens of the European Union. All of the difference it can make
:46:54. > :46:58.has to be for Bristol peopld from outside the European Union. If you
:46:59. > :47:01.get when and where can out of Europe then presumably those same
:47:02. > :47:06.restrictions on partners coling would apply if you met someone on an
:47:07. > :47:11.EU country. So if you met someone in France they could not come back and
:47:12. > :47:18.live in England. They would be rules. Of course there would be
:47:19. > :47:23.rules. You could not marry ` new European and bring them back to work
:47:24. > :47:27.in England. I am not saying that. That is the logic. That is not the
:47:28. > :47:34.logic. We need to control immigration and a complex and
:47:35. > :47:37.sensible set of rules that dnable us to simply control the quality and
:47:38. > :47:40.the quantity of people that come to the country. That is how we will
:47:41. > :47:46.manage to maintain public sdrvices. At the moment you cannot brhng
:47:47. > :47:53.somebody back from China. Would that be the scene a few met somebody in
:47:54. > :47:57.Paris or Rome? If we had left the EU? The rules would be the same
:47:58. > :48:00.across the world. That is the point. At the moment we are constantly
:48:01. > :48:07.trying to manipulate statistics over a narrow band of people. With Labour
:48:08. > :48:17.dry to change this? What is this shows is that the Tory government is
:48:18. > :48:24.heartless. The High Court h`s shown a sensible approach to this case by
:48:25. > :48:29.seeing that the level at whhch. . You would relax the rules and drop
:48:30. > :48:32.the ?18,000 threshold. The position in the Labour Party is we agree that
:48:33. > :48:38.taxpayers should not have to take the hit. You see the Tories are
:48:39. > :48:43.being heartless that you will not commit to changing the rules. Let me
:48:44. > :48:52.answer the question. I quickly with the concept. It is the level that I
:48:53. > :48:56.disagree. ?18,000 is too high. The High Court said a similar thing
:48:57. > :49:07.Maybe relieved to look at mhnimum weight level. `` maybe we nded to
:49:08. > :49:13.look at a minimum wage level. Do you accept that petition patients has
:49:14. > :49:20.worn thin because Labour did not have any control over the Borders at
:49:21. > :49:33.all. Ed Miliband has apologhsed because we should have done more. We
:49:34. > :49:41.have to leave it there. The CRB is a long time in politics. He is our
:49:42. > :49:44.rundown in 60 seconds. `` the sea hour week is a long
:49:45. > :49:49.time. Opponents to the policy of killing
:49:50. > :49:57.badgers welcomed the decision to delay the roll out more cal zones. A
:49:58. > :50:00.study concluded that so far the culling had not been effecthve. That
:50:01. > :50:06.has not deterred the farming Minister. We want to focus the
:50:07. > :50:10.improvement on the cal is that we have started and make sure we get
:50:11. > :50:14.the process right before rolling it out further. The Prime Minister was
:50:15. > :50:19.back on the Somerset levels. David Cameron came to see the
:50:20. > :50:25.dredging work he had ordered. It is going to be a continuous process. It
:50:26. > :50:31.is a 20 year plan. To cash`strapped councils receive money to hdlp them
:50:32. > :50:35.merits. Pubs and clubs in Cheltenhal have a
:50:36. > :50:40.new tab to settle. This is only the second place in the country to bring
:50:41. > :50:45.in a late`night levy. The money raised will help to pay for the
:50:46. > :50:52.clean`up. Another busy week. That is `ll we
:50:53. > :50:58.have time for this week. Banksy Steve Crowther and Darren Jones
:50:59. > :51:06.taking part. `` thank you to Steve Crowther.
:51:07. > :51:08.You can keep track of what we're up to on Twitter. We are back
:51:09. > :51:22.chair next week. And with that, back to Andrew. Welcome back and time now
:51:23. > :51:29.to get more from our panel. So they can justify their meagre patents.
:51:30. > :51:33.This cost of living mantra will last all the way until the election.
:51:34. > :51:37.Cannot? Ed Miliband leaves he is onto something and for most of this
:51:38. > :51:43.Parliament, inflation has outstripped wages. That is going to
:51:44. > :51:49.go the other way and wages will rise, to which you say Ed Miliband
:51:50. > :51:53.has nothing to say. He says if you think people are going to feel
:51:54. > :51:56.better in the blink of an eye, you are a Conservative and do not
:51:57. > :52:00.understand the depth of this and he is taking the message from a
:52:01. > :52:06.presidential election in America in 2012 and make Romney was ahead on
:52:07. > :52:10.some of the economic indicators but Barack Obama was ahead on the key
:52:11. > :52:14.one, do you believe this candidate will make your family's life
:52:15. > :52:21.better? The message that Ed Miliband will try to say is the next election
:52:22. > :52:23.is about whose side are you on? And he believes Labour will be on the
:52:24. > :52:28.side of more voters than conservatives. It would be crazy for
:52:29. > :52:33.Labour not to talk about the cost of living because even if wages exceed
:52:34. > :52:37.inflation next year, it is not as if voters will walk around feeling like
:52:38. > :52:43.Imelda Marcos, they will still feel as if they were struggling and not
:52:44. > :52:50.just compared... Retail sales are slowing? That is not the sign of
:52:51. > :52:56.palpable disparity. Circumstances are better than three years ago but
:52:57. > :53:00.not better than five years ago. The Reagan question will still be
:53:01. > :53:05.employed, are you better off than at the last election? But things in
:53:06. > :53:11.America were actually getting worse when he asked that. I covered that
:53:12. > :53:15.election, that is why it resonated and they did get worse. The
:53:16. > :53:21.Ayatollah had quadrupled the price of oil. This is based on things
:53:22. > :53:27.getting relatively better, after a very long wait, so the cost of
:53:28. > :53:33.living critique will have to adapt? It will but it gets out of a very
:53:34. > :53:37.sticky spot and the IFS says wages will not outstrip inflation and by
:53:38. > :53:41.that time they can start talking about other things, plans for the
:53:42. > :53:45.railways and tuition fees and at the moment, everything is up for grabs.
:53:46. > :53:49.Labour know that every time they talk about something they want to
:53:50. > :53:53.do, the question is, how do you pay for it? They can talk about the
:53:54. > :53:57.economy and they don't have substantial things to say. Is it
:53:58. > :54:03.true that Mr Iain Duncan Smith was going to make a major announcement
:54:04. > :54:08.on benefit cheats? Or something to do with that this morning? But he
:54:09. > :54:12.decided against it because of the tobacco over Maria Miller? It would
:54:13. > :54:17.be very odd to go on to The Andrew Marr Show to have a chat and see
:54:18. > :54:20.what he is having for lunch. Patrick went from the Guardian said he was
:54:21. > :54:25.going to set out higher financial penalty phase for providing
:54:26. > :54:31.inaccurate information in claims. This is a bad day to do that, given
:54:32. > :54:37.that MP expenses are treated far more lenient the than any one from
:54:38. > :54:42.Joe public. That would be fascinating, if true. And he is
:54:43. > :54:47.making a very big speech on well for tomorrow and this tweet from Patrick
:54:48. > :54:51.went at the Guardian, he has proper sized on welfare matters and he
:54:52. > :54:56.tends to know what is going on. But it would be deeply unfortunate if
:54:57. > :54:59.that was the message today. How can he make a speech that has anything
:55:00. > :55:05.about cracking down on benefit claimants? Not today but I am not
:55:06. > :55:12.sure tomorrow. Do you get the impression that nobody in both main
:55:13. > :55:16.parties is very confident of winning in 2015? I column last week said the
:55:17. > :55:21.result, the most likely result from one year on is another hung
:55:22. > :55:26.parliament and which government results from that depends on the
:55:27. > :55:29.mathematical specifics of whether the Tories can do a deal as well as
:55:30. > :55:33.Labour, leaving everything in the hands of Nick Clegg or whether one
:55:34. > :55:38.party can do a straightforward deal but I do not detect any sense of
:55:39. > :55:44.exuberance or confidence in either camp. And the Tories are still
:55:45. > :55:47.shooting themselves over losing the boundary commission reforms because
:55:48. > :55:51.that was going to net them 20 seats and they lost that because they
:55:52. > :55:54.messed up the House of Lords reform and there are still furious with
:55:55. > :55:58.themselves. The former US President, George W Bush, has been a busy boy
:55:59. > :56:02.and here at the Sunday Politics we thought you'd like to see the
:56:03. > :56:06.results of his artistic endeavours. Time for the gallery.
:56:07. > :56:54.I was a prize to find myself saying, some of these are not bad! --
:56:55. > :57:01.surprised. Vladimir Putin? I like the one of Tony Blair but his early
:57:02. > :57:07.ones of dogs, to be in the presence of the master is to see his portrait
:57:08. > :57:12.of a Joanne Love. He is not of the Turner prize but I was surprised. He
:57:13. > :57:18.gets the mask of Vladimir Putin also Tony Blair. I was impressed
:57:19. > :57:22.that he did not allow personal or political grudges to influence his
:57:23. > :57:27.artwork. Jacques Chirac, he comes out of this incredibly well! And
:57:28. > :57:33.Angela Merkel comes out astonishingly well. Quite generous
:57:34. > :57:38.as well. Tony Blair is the best one and the reason is he had the closest
:57:39. > :57:42.relationship with them and he has talked about this portrait, saying
:57:43. > :57:47.he was quite fond of him and you can see that. These are awful, they
:57:48. > :57:54.would not get you an A-level but you must admire him to have the guts to
:57:55. > :58:00.do this, and display them publicly! An A-level? Just doing joined up
:58:01. > :58:05.numbers gets you that these days! What do you do when you retire? This
:58:06. > :58:09.is less embarrassing than some of the other things people have done.
:58:10. > :58:17.As good as Churchill? I don't know... No! Churchill was brilliant!
:58:18. > :58:20.And on that! That's all for today. Tune into BBC Two every day at
:58:21. > :58:24.lunchtime this week for the Daily Politics. And we'll be back at the
:58:25. > :58:27.later time of 2:30pm next Sunday after the London Marathon. Remember,
:58:28. > :59:55.if it's Sunday, it's the Sunday Politics.
:59:56. > :59:58.International teams searching for the missing Malaysian airliner are
:59:59. > :00:04.investigating three electronic signals received in the southern
:00:05. > :00:05.Indian Ocean. It's thought