:00:37. > :00:39.It's Sunday morning, and this is the Sunday Politics.
:00:40. > :00:42.Theresa May will be the first foreign leader to visit US
:00:43. > :00:45.President Donald Trump this week - she's promised to hold "very
:00:46. > :00:48.frank" conversations with the new and controversial
:00:49. > :00:55.Speaking of the 45th President of America,
:00:56. > :00:58.we'll be looking at what the Trump presidency could hold
:00:59. > :01:05.in store for Britain and the rest of the world.
:01:06. > :01:07.And with the Supreme Court expected to say that Parliament should
:01:08. > :01:11.have a vote before the Brexit process begins, we'll ask
:01:12. > :01:22.In the West business of Brexit, as what Labour will do next.
:01:23. > :01:24.In the West business of Brexit, as BPM puts together an new
:01:25. > :01:35.relationship with And to talk about all of that
:01:36. > :01:38.and more, I'm joined by three journalists who, in an era
:01:39. > :01:40.of so-called fake news, can be relied upon for their accuracy,
:01:41. > :01:44.their impartiality - and their willingness
:01:45. > :01:47.to come to the studio It's Steve Richards,
:01:48. > :01:53.Julia Hartley-Brewer and Tom Newton Dunn,
:01:54. > :01:59.and during the programme they'll be tweeting as often as the 45th
:02:00. > :02:03.President of the USA in the middle So - the Prime Minister has been
:02:04. > :02:13.appearing on the BBC this morning. She was mostly talking
:02:14. > :02:16.about Donald Trump and Brexit, but she was also asked about a story
:02:17. > :02:19.on the front of this It's reported that an unarmed
:02:20. > :02:23.Trident missile test fired from the submarine HMS Vengeance
:02:24. > :02:29.near the Florida coast in June The paper says the incident took
:02:30. > :02:37.place weeks before a crucial Commons Well, let's have listen
:02:38. > :02:41.to Theresa May talking The issue that we were talking
:02:42. > :02:47.about in the House of Commons It was about whether or not
:02:48. > :02:51.we should renew Trident, whether we should look to the future
:02:52. > :02:54.and have a replacement Trident. That's what we were talking
:02:55. > :02:57.about in the House of Commons. That's what the House
:02:58. > :02:59.of Commons voted for. He doesn't want to defend our
:03:00. > :03:04.country with an independent There are tests that take place
:03:05. > :03:12.all the time, regularly, What we were talking about in that
:03:13. > :03:20.debate that took place... I'm not going to get
:03:21. > :03:32.an answer to this. Tom, it was clear this was going to
:03:33. > :03:36.come up this morning. It is on the front page of the Sunday Times. It
:03:37. > :03:42.would seem to me the Prime Minister wasn't properly briefed on how to
:03:43. > :03:46.reply. I think she probably was, but the Prime Minister we now have
:03:47. > :03:52.doesn't necessarily answer all questions in the straightest way.
:03:53. > :03:59.She didn't answer that one and all. Unlike previous ones? She made it
:04:00. > :04:04.quite clear she was briefed. You read between the Theresa May lines.
:04:05. > :04:09.By simply not answering Andrew Marr four times, it is obvious she knew,
:04:10. > :04:14.and that she knew before she went into the House of Commons and urged
:04:15. > :04:19.everyone to renew the ?40 billion replacement programme. Of course it
:04:20. > :04:25.is an embarrassment, but does it have political legs? I don't think
:04:26. > :04:32.so. She didn't mislead the Commons. If she wanted to close it down, the
:04:33. > :04:34.answer should have been, these are matters of national security.
:04:35. > :04:39.There's nothing more important in that than our nuclear deterrent. I'm
:04:40. > :04:46.not prepared to talk about testing. End of. But she didn't. Maybe you
:04:47. > :04:50.should be briefing her. That's a good answer. She is an interesting
:04:51. > :04:55.interviewee. She shows it when she is nervous. She was transparently
:04:56. > :04:59.uneasy answering those questions, and the fact she didn't answer it
:05:00. > :05:05.definitively suggests she did know and didn't want to say it, and she
:05:06. > :05:10.answered awkwardly. But how wider point, that the House of Commons
:05:11. > :05:14.voted for the renewal of Trident, suggests to me that in the broader
:05:15. > :05:19.sweep of things, this will not run, because if there was another vote, I
:05:20. > :05:24.would suggest she'd win it again. But it is an embarrassment and she
:05:25. > :05:31.handled it with a transparent awkwardness. She said that the tests
:05:32. > :05:35.go on all the time, but not of the missiles. Does it not show that when
:05:36. > :05:40.the Prime Minister leaves her comfort zone of Home Office affairs
:05:41. > :05:45.or related matters, she often struggles. We've seen it under
:05:46. > :05:51.questioning from Mr Corbyn even, and we saw it again today. Absolutely.
:05:52. > :05:57.Tests of various aspects of the missiles go on all the time, but
:05:58. > :06:01.there's only been five since 2000. What you described wouldn't have
:06:02. > :06:06.worked, because in previous tests they have always been very public
:06:07. > :06:16.about it. Look how well our missiles work! She may not have misled
:06:17. > :06:21.Parliament, but she may not have known about it. If she didn't know,
:06:22. > :06:26.does Michael Fallon still have a job on Monday? Should Parliament know
:06:27. > :06:33.about a test that doesn't work? Some would say absolutely not. Our
:06:34. > :06:38.deterrent is there to deter people from attacking us. If they know that
:06:39. > :06:44.we are hitting the United States by mistake rather than the Atlantic
:06:45. > :06:48.Ocean, then... There is such a thing as national security, and telling
:06:49. > :06:53.all the bad guys about where we are going wrong may not be a good idea.
:06:54. > :06:58.It was her first statement as Prime Minister to put her case for
:06:59. > :07:03.renewal, to have the vote on Trident, and in that context, it is
:07:04. > :07:05.significant not to say anything. If anyone knows where the missile
:07:06. > :07:08.landed, give us a call! So Donald Trump's inauguration day
:07:09. > :07:10.closed with him dancing to Frank Sinatra's My Way,
:07:11. > :07:13.and whatever your view on the 45th President of the United States
:07:14. > :07:16.he certainly did do it his way. Not for him the idealistic call
:07:17. > :07:19.for national unity - instead he used Friday's inaugural
:07:20. > :07:21.address to launch a blistering attack on the dark state
:07:22. > :07:24.of the nation and the political class, and to promise
:07:25. > :07:29.to take his uncompromising approach from the campaign trail
:07:30. > :07:33.to the White House. Here's Adam Fleming,
:07:34. > :07:36.with a reminder of how First, dropping by for a cup of tea
:07:37. > :07:45.and a slightly awkward exchange Then, friends, foes
:07:46. > :07:54.and predecessors watched I, Donald John Trump,
:07:55. > :08:01.do solemnly swear... The crowds seemed smaller
:08:02. > :08:05.than previous inaugurations, the speech tougher then any
:08:06. > :08:10.previous incoming president. From this day forth,
:08:11. > :08:17.it's going to be only America first. In the meantime, there were sporadic
:08:18. > :08:41.protests in Washington, DC. Opponents made their voices heard
:08:42. > :08:46.around the world too. The President,
:08:47. > :08:48.who'd criticised the work of the intelligence agencies,
:08:49. > :08:52.fitted in a visit to the CIA. There is nobody that feels stronger
:08:53. > :08:56.about the intelligence community And, back at the office,
:08:57. > :09:08.in the dark, a signature signalled the end of the Obama era
:09:09. > :09:13.and the dawn of Trump. So, as you heard there,
:09:14. > :09:20.President Trump used his inauguration to repeat his campaign
:09:21. > :09:22.promise to put "America first" in all his decisions, and offered
:09:23. > :09:40.some hints of what to expect He talked of in America in carnage,
:09:41. > :09:43.to be rebuilt by American hands and American Labour. President Trump has
:09:44. > :09:48.already started to dismantle key parts of the Obama Legacy, including
:09:49. > :09:53.the unwinding of the affordable care act, and the siding of the climate
:09:54. > :09:58.action plan to tackle global warning. Little to say about foreign
:09:59. > :10:03.policy, but promised to eradicate Islamic terrorism from the face of
:10:04. > :10:07.the Earth, insisting he would restore the US military to
:10:08. > :10:12.unquestioning dominance. He also said the US would develop a state
:10:13. > :10:18.missile defence system to deal with threats he sees from Iran and North
:10:19. > :10:24.Korea. In a statement that painted a bleak picture of the country he now
:10:25. > :10:29.runs, he said his would be a law and order Administration, and he would
:10:30. > :10:34.keep the innocents safe by building the border war with Mexico. One
:10:35. > :10:39.thing he didn't mention, for the first time ever, there is a
:10:40. > :10:42.Eurosceptic in the oval office, who is also an enthusiast for Brexit.
:10:43. > :10:45.We're joined now by Ted Malloch - he's a Trump supporter who's been
:10:46. > :10:47.tipped as the president's choice for US ambassador
:10:48. > :10:49.to the EU, and he's just flown back from Washington.
:10:50. > :10:52.And by James Rubin - he's a democrat who served
:10:53. > :11:02.Let's start with that last point I made in the voice over there. We now
:11:03. > :11:09.have a Eurosceptic in the oval office. He is pro-Brexit and not
:11:10. > :11:13.keen on further European Union integration. What are the
:11:14. > :11:18.implications of that? First of all, a renewal of the US- UK special
:11:19. > :11:24.relationship. You see the Prime Minister already going to build and
:11:25. > :11:30.rebuild this relationship. Already, the bust of Winston Churchill is
:11:31. > :11:34.back in the oval office. Interestingly, Martin Luther King's
:11:35. > :11:40.bust is also there, so there is an act of unity in that first movement
:11:41. > :11:45.of dusts. Donald Trump will be oriented between bilateral
:11:46. > :11:56.relationships and not multilateral or supernatural. Supranational full.
:11:57. > :12:02.What are the implications of someone in the White House now not believing
:12:03. > :12:06.in it? I think we are present in the unravelling of America's leadership
:12:07. > :12:11.of the West. There is now a thing called the west that America has led
:12:12. > :12:23.since the end of World War II, creating supranational - we just
:12:24. > :12:26.heard supernatural! These institutions were created. With
:12:27. > :12:31.American leadership, the world was at peace in Europe, and the world
:12:32. > :12:36.grew increasingly democratic and prosperous. Wars were averted that
:12:37. > :12:40.could be extremely costly. When something works in diplomacy, you
:12:41. > :12:46.don't really understand what the consequences could have been. I
:12:47. > :12:50.think we've got complacent. The new president is taking advantage of
:12:51. > :12:56.that. It is a terrible tragedy that so many in the West take for granted
:12:57. > :13:00.the successful leadership and institutions we have built. You
:13:01. > :13:08.could argue, as James Rubin has argued in some articles, that...
:13:09. > :13:15.Will Mr Trump's America be more involved in the world than the Obama
:13:16. > :13:23.won? Or will it continue the process with running shoes on that began
:13:24. > :13:26.with Mr Obama? President Obama stepped back from American
:13:27. > :13:31.leadership. He withdrew from the world. He had a horrendous eight
:13:32. > :13:36.years in office, and American powers have diminished everywhere in the
:13:37. > :13:42.world, not just in Europe. That power will reassert. The focus will
:13:43. > :13:45.be on America first, but there are foreign interests around the
:13:46. > :13:51.world... How does it reassert itself around the world? I think the
:13:52. > :13:58.institutions will be recreated. Some may be taken down. There could be
:13:59. > :14:01.some new ones. I think Nato itself, and certainly the Defence Secretary
:14:02. > :14:06.will have discussions with Donald Trump about how Nato can be
:14:07. > :14:10.reshaped, and maybe there will be more burden sharing. That is an
:14:11. > :14:15.important thing for him. You are tipped to be the US ambassador to
:14:16. > :14:20.Brussels, to the EU, and we are still waiting to hear if that will
:14:21. > :14:26.happen. Is it true to say that Mr Trump does not believe in EU
:14:27. > :14:36.integration? I think you made that clear in the speech. He talked about
:14:37. > :14:42.supranational. He does not believe in those kinds of organisations. He
:14:43. > :14:47.is investing himself in bilateral relationships, the first of which
:14:48. > :14:52.will be with the UK. So we have a president who does not believe in EU
:14:53. > :14:58.integration and has been highly critical of Nato. Do the people he
:14:59. > :15:02.has appointed to defend, Secretary of State, national security, do you
:15:03. > :15:08.think that will temper this anti-NATO wretched? Will he come
:15:09. > :15:14.round to a more pro-NATO situation? I think those of us who care about
:15:15. > :15:21.America's situation in the world will come in to miss President Obama
:15:22. > :15:24.a lot. I think the Secretary of State and the faculty of defence
:15:25. > :15:29.will limit the damage and will urge him not to take formal steps to
:15:30. > :15:34.unravel this most powerful and most successful alliance in history, the
:15:35. > :15:41.Nato alliance. But the damage is already being done. When you are the
:15:42. > :15:45.leader of the West, leadership means you are persuading, encouraging,
:15:46. > :15:50.bolstering your leadership and these institutions by the way you speak.
:15:51. > :15:55.Millions, if not hundreds of millions of people, have now heard
:15:56. > :15:59.the US say that what they care about is within their borders.
:16:00. > :16:10.What do you say to that? It is such an overstatement. The point is that
:16:11. > :16:16.Donald Trump is in a Jacksonian tradition of national populism. He
:16:17. > :16:21.is appealing to the people first. The other day, I was sitting below
:16:22. > :16:24.this page during the address, and he said, everyone sitting behind me as
:16:25. > :16:28.part of the problem. Everyone in front of me, the crowd and the crowd
:16:29. > :16:32.on television, is part of the solution, so we are giving the
:16:33. > :16:36.Government back to the people. That emphasis is going to change American
:16:37. > :16:43.life, including American International relations. It doesn't
:16:44. > :16:48.moving the leak back -- it doesn't mean we are moving out of Nato, it
:16:49. > :16:53.simply means we will put our national interests first. There were
:16:54. > :16:59.echoes of Andrew Jackson's inauguration address of 1820. That
:17:00. > :17:03.night, the Jacksonians trashed the White House, but Mr Trump's people
:17:04. > :17:08.didn't do that, so there is a difference there. He also said
:17:09. > :17:12.something else in the address - that protectionism would lead to
:17:13. > :17:18.prosperity. I would suggest there is no evidence for that in the post-war
:17:19. > :17:24.world. He talked about protecting the American worker, American jobs,
:17:25. > :17:31.the American economy. I actually think that Donald Trump will not
:17:32. > :17:38.turn out to be a protectionist. If you read the heart of the deal...
:17:39. > :17:40.This is referring to two Republican senators who introduce massive
:17:41. > :17:50.tariffs in the Hoover administration. Exactly. If you read
:17:51. > :17:54.The Art Of The Deal, you will see how Donald Trump deals with
:17:55. > :18:00.individuals and countries. There is a lot of bluster, positioning, and I
:18:01. > :18:04.think you already see this in bringing jobs by the United States.
:18:05. > :18:08.Things are going to change. Let's also deal with this proposition.
:18:09. > :18:15.China is the biggest loser of this election result. Let me say this:
:18:16. > :18:23.The first time in American history and American president has set forth
:18:24. > :18:29.his view of the world, and it is a mercantile view of the world, who
:18:30. > :18:34.makes more money, who gets more trade, it doesn't look at the shared
:18:35. > :18:38.values, leadership and defends the world needs. The art of the deal has
:18:39. > :18:41.no application to America's leadership of the world, that's what
:18:42. > :18:47.we're learning. You can be a great businessman and make great real
:18:48. > :18:50.estate deals - whether he did not is debatable - but it has nothing to do
:18:51. > :18:56.with inspiring shared values from the West. You saying China may lose,
:18:57. > :19:01.because he may pressure them to reduce their trade deficit with the
:19:02. > :19:06.US. They may or may not. We may both lose. Right now, his Secretary of
:19:07. > :19:10.State has said, and I think he will walk this back when he is brief,
:19:11. > :19:15.that they will prevent the Chinese from entering these islands in the
:19:16. > :19:19.South China Sea. If they were to do that, it would be a blockade, and
:19:20. > :19:24.there would be a shooting war between the United States and China,
:19:25. > :19:27.so US - China relations are the most important bilateral relationship of
:19:28. > :19:31.the United States, and they don't lend themselves to the bluff and
:19:32. > :19:37.bluster that may have worked when you are trying to get a big building
:19:38. > :19:44.on second Ave in Manhattan. Is China the biggest loser? I think the
:19:45. > :19:55.Chinese have a lot to lose. Gigi and Ping was in Davos this week -- Xi
:19:56. > :20:05.Jin Ping was in Davos. Is Germany the second biggest loser
:20:06. > :20:09.in the sense that I understand he hasn't agreed time to see Angela
:20:10. > :20:16.Merkel yet, also that those close to him believe that Germany is guilty
:20:17. > :20:20.of currency manipulation by adopting a weak your row instead of the
:20:21. > :20:24.strong Deutschmark, and that that is why they are running a huge balance
:20:25. > :20:30.of payments surplus with the United States. American - German relations
:20:31. > :20:35.may not be great. There is a point of view throughout Europe. You only
:20:36. > :20:40.have to talk to the southern Europeans about this question. It
:20:41. > :20:44.seems like the euro has been aligned to benefit Germany. Joe Stiglitz,
:20:45. > :20:51.the famous left of centre Democrat economist, made the same case in a
:20:52. > :20:55.recent book. In this case, I think Germany will be put under the
:20:56. > :20:59.spotlight. Angela Merkel has shown herself to be the most respected and
:21:00. > :21:05.the most successful leader in Europe. We who care about the West,
:21:06. > :21:09.who care about the shared values of the West, should pray and hope that
:21:10. > :21:14.she is re-elected. This isn't about dollars and cents. We're living in a
:21:15. > :21:19.time whether Russian leader has another country in Europe and for
:21:20. > :21:25.some inexplicable reason, the American president, who can use his
:21:26. > :21:31.insult diplomacy on everyone, including Mrs Merkel, the only
:21:32. > :21:35.person he can't seem to find anything to criticise about is Mr
:21:36. > :21:38.Putin. There are things more important than the actual details of
:21:39. > :21:42.your currency. There are things like preventing another war in Europe,
:21:43. > :21:49.preventing a war between the Chinese and the US. You talk about the
:21:50. > :21:53.Trident missile all morning, nuclear deterrence is extremely important.
:21:54. > :21:57.It doesn't lend itself to the bluff and bluster of a real estate deal. I
:21:58. > :22:00.understand all that, but the fact we are even talking about these things
:22:01. > :22:06.shows the new world we are moving into. I'd like to get you both to
:22:07. > :22:14.react to this. This is a man that ended the Bush Dynasty, a man that
:22:15. > :22:17.beat the Clinton machine. In his inauguration, not only did he not
:22:18. > :22:22.reach out to the Democrats, he didn't even mention the Republicans.
:22:23. > :22:26.These are changed days for us. They are, and change can be good or
:22:27. > :22:31.disastrous. I'm worried that it's easy in the world of diplomacy and
:22:32. > :22:36.in them -- for the leadership of the United States to break relationships
:22:37. > :22:45.and ruin alliances. These are things that were carefully nurtured. George
:22:46. > :22:49.Schultz, the American Secretary of State under Reagan talked about
:22:50. > :22:54.gardening, the slow, careful creation of a place with bilateral
:22:55. > :22:56.relationships that were blossoming and flowering multilateral
:22:57. > :22:59.relationships that take decades to create, and he will throw them away
:23:00. > :23:06.in a matter of days. The final word... I work for George Schultz.
:23:07. > :23:10.He was a Marine who stood up America, defended America, who would
:23:11. > :23:15.be in favour of many of the things that Donald Trump and the tramp
:23:16. > :23:20.Administration... Give him a call. His top aide macs that I've spoken
:23:21. > :23:25.to are appalled by Mr Trump's abdication of leadership. He is
:23:26. > :23:33.going to our radically -- he's going to eradicate extremist Islam from
:23:34. > :23:36.the face of the year. Is that realistic? I know people in the
:23:37. > :23:40.national security realm have worked on a plan. They say they will have
:23:41. > :23:49.such a plan in some detail within 90 days. Lets hope they succeed. We
:23:50. > :23:50.have run out of time. As a issues. Thank you, both. -- fascinating
:23:51. > :23:54.issues. So Theresa May promised a big speech
:23:55. > :23:57.on Brexit, and this week - perhaps against expectation -
:23:58. > :23:59.she delivered, trying to answer claims that the government didn't
:24:00. > :24:02.have a plan with an explicit wish-list of what she hopes to
:24:03. > :24:05.achieve in negotiations with the EU. To her allies it was ambitious,
:24:06. > :24:07.bold, optimistic - to her opponents it was full
:24:08. > :24:09.of contradictions Here's Adam again, with a reminder
:24:10. > :24:12.of the speech and how There are speeches,
:24:13. > :24:17.and there are speeches. Like Theresa May's 12 principles
:24:18. > :24:21.for a Brexit deal leading to the UK fully out of the EU
:24:22. > :24:24.but still friendly in terms This agreement should allow
:24:25. > :24:28.for the freest possible trade in goods and services between
:24:29. > :24:30.Britain and the EU's member states. It should give British
:24:31. > :24:36.companies the maximum operate within European markets
:24:37. > :24:39.and let European businesses do She also said no deal would be
:24:40. > :24:47.better than the wrong deal, We want to test what people think
:24:48. > :25:03.about what she's just said. Do we have any of our
:25:04. > :25:05.future negotiating As the European Parliament
:25:06. > :25:10.voted for its new president, its chief
:25:11. > :25:18.negotiator sounded off. Saying, OK, if our European
:25:19. > :25:20.counterparts don't accept it, we're going to make
:25:21. > :25:23.from Britain a sort of free zone or tax haven,
:25:24. > :25:25.I The Prime Minister of Malta,
:25:26. > :25:32.the country that's assumed the EU's rotating presidency,
:25:33. > :25:35.spoke in sorrow and a bit of anger. We want a fair deal
:25:36. > :25:39.for the United Kingdom, but that deal necessarily needs to be
:25:40. > :25:49.inferior to membership. Next, let's hear
:25:50. > :25:51.from some enthusiastic leavers, like, I don't
:25:52. > :25:57.know, the Daily Mail? The paper lapped it up
:25:58. > :26:00.with this adoring front page. For Brexiteers, it was
:26:01. > :26:04.all manna from heaven. I think today means we are a big
:26:05. > :26:06.step closer to becoming an independent country again,
:26:07. > :26:09.with control of our own laws, I was chuckling at some of it,
:26:10. > :26:15.to be honest, because There were various phrases there
:26:16. > :26:19.which I've used myself again and Do we have any of those
:26:20. > :26:24.so-called Remoaners? There will, at the end
:26:25. > :26:26.of this deal process, so politicians get to vote
:26:27. > :26:30.on the stitch-up, but We take the view as
:26:31. > :26:33.Liberal Democrats that if this process started
:26:34. > :26:35.with democracy last June, We trusted the people
:26:36. > :26:39.with departure, we must trust them Do we have anyone from
:26:40. > :26:45.Labour, or are you all watching it in a small
:26:46. > :26:47.room somewhere? Throughout the speech, there seemed
:26:48. > :26:55.to be an implied threat that somewhere along the line,
:26:56. > :26:58.if all her optimism of a deal with the European Union didn't work,
:26:59. > :27:00.we would move into a low-tax, corporate taxation,
:27:01. > :27:02.bargain-basement economy on the I think she needs to be
:27:03. > :27:06.a bit clearer about what The Labour leader
:27:07. > :27:13.suggested he'd tell his MPs to vote in favour
:27:14. > :27:16.of starting a Brexit process if Parliament was given the choice,
:27:17. > :27:18.sparking a mini pre-revolt among Finally, do we have anyone
:27:19. > :27:24.from big business here? Of course, your all in Davos
:27:25. > :27:33.at the World Economic Clarity, first of all, really
:27:34. > :27:43.codified what many of us have been anticipating since
:27:44. > :27:45.the referendum result, particularly around
:27:46. > :27:46.the I think what we've also seen
:27:47. > :27:50.today is the Government's willingness to put a bit of edge
:27:51. > :27:53.into the negotiating dynamic, and I Trade negotiations are negotiations,
:27:54. > :27:58.and you have to lay out, and you have to be pretty tough
:27:59. > :28:00.to get what you want. Although some business people
:28:01. > :28:02.on the slopes speculated about moving some of their
:28:03. > :28:05.operations out of Brexit Britain. We saw there the instant reaction
:28:06. > :28:23.of Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, but how will the party respond
:28:24. > :28:26.to the challenge posed by Brexit Well, I'm joined now by the Shadow
:28:27. > :28:35.Home Secretary, Diane Abbott. People know that Ukip and the Tories
:28:36. > :28:40.are for Brexit. The Lib Dems are four remain. What is Labour for? For
:28:41. > :28:46.respecting the result of the referendum. It was a 72% turnout,
:28:47. > :28:49.very high for an election of that nature, and we believe you have to
:28:50. > :28:53.respect that result. You couldn't have a situation where people like
:28:54. > :28:57.Tim Farron are saying to people, millions of people, sorry, you got
:28:58. > :29:02.it wrong, we in London no better. However, how the Tories go forward
:29:03. > :29:08.from here has to be subject to parliamentary scrutiny. Is it Shadow
:29:09. > :29:13.Cabinet policy to vote for the triggering of Article 50? Our policy
:29:14. > :29:20.is not to block Article 50. That is what the leader was saying this
:29:21. > :29:25.morning. So are you for it? Our policy is not to block it. You are
:29:26. > :29:31.talking about voting for it. We don't know what the Supreme Court is
:29:32. > :29:33.going to say, and we don't know what legislation Government will bring
:29:34. > :29:39.forward, and we don't know what amendment we will move, but we're
:29:40. > :29:43.clear that we will not vote to block it. OK, so you won't bow to stop it,
:29:44. > :29:51.but you could abstain? No, what we will do... Either you vote for or
:29:52. > :29:55.against all you abstain. There are too many unanswered questions. For
:29:56. > :30:00.instance, the position of EU migrants working and living in this
:30:01. > :30:04.country. You may not get the answer to that before Article 50 comes
:30:05. > :30:09.before the Commons, so what would you do then? We are giving to amend
:30:10. > :30:13.it. We can only tell you exactly how we will amend it when we understand
:30:14. > :30:17.what sort of legislation the Government is putting forward, and
:30:18. > :30:21.in the course of moving those amendments, we will ask the
:30:22. > :30:22.questions that the people of Britain whether they voted to leave remain
:30:23. > :30:33.want answered. When you come to a collective view,
:30:34. > :30:37.will there be a three line whip? I can't tell you, because we have not
:30:38. > :30:45.seen the government 's legislation. But when you see it, you will come
:30:46. > :30:49.to a collective view. Many regard this as extremely important. Will
:30:50. > :30:54.there be a three line whip on Labour's collective view? Because it
:30:55. > :30:59.is important, we shouldn't get ahead of ourselves. When we see what the
:31:00. > :31:04.Supreme Court says, and crucially, when we see what the government
:31:05. > :31:09.position is, you will hear what the whipping is. Will shadow ministers
:31:10. > :31:16.be able to defy any three line whip on this? That is not normally the
:31:17. > :31:21.case. But they did on an early vote that the government introduced on
:31:22. > :31:26.Article 50. Those who voted against it are still there. In the Blair
:31:27. > :31:31.years, you certainly couldn't defy a three line whip. We will see what
:31:32. > :31:37.happens going forward. I remember when the Tories were hopelessly
:31:38. > :31:41.divided over the EU. All these Maastricht votes and an list
:31:42. > :31:54.arguments. Now it is Labour. Just another symptom of Mr Corbyn's poor
:31:55. > :31:59.leadership. Not at all. Two thirds voted to leave, a third to remain.
:32:00. > :32:04.We are seeking to bring the country and the party together. We will do
:32:05. > :32:15.that by pointing out how disastrous a Tory Brexit would be. Meanwhile,
:32:16. > :32:20.around 80 Labour MPs will defy a three line whip. It's too early to
:32:21. > :32:25.say that. Will you publish what you believe the negotiating goal should
:32:26. > :32:30.be? We are clear on it. We think that the economy, jobs and living
:32:31. > :32:35.standards should be the priority. What Theresa May is saying is that
:32:36. > :32:41.holding her party together is her priority. She is putting party above
:32:42. > :32:47.country. Does Labour think we should remain members of the single market?
:32:48. > :32:53.Ideally, in terms of jobs and the economy, of course. Ritt -ish
:32:54. > :32:56.business thinks that as well. Is Labour policy that we should remain
:32:57. > :33:01.a member of the single market? Labour leaves that jobs and the
:33:02. > :33:07.economy comes first, and if they come first, you would want to remain
:33:08. > :33:13.part of the single market. But to remain a member? Jobs and the
:33:14. > :33:19.economy comes first, and to do that, ideally, guess. So with that, comes
:33:20. > :33:23.free movement of people, the jurisdiction of the European, and a
:33:24. > :33:32.multi-million never shipped thief. Is Labour prepared to pay that?
:33:33. > :33:40.Money is neither here nor there. Because the Tories will be asked to
:33:41. > :33:46.pay a lot of money... The EU has made it clear that you cannot
:33:47. > :33:52.have... I am asking for Labour's position. Our position is rooted in
:33:53. > :33:56.the reality, and the reality is that you cannot have the benefits of the
:33:57. > :34:00.member of the European Union, including being a member of the
:34:01. > :34:05.single market, without responsibility, including free
:34:06. > :34:10.movement of people. Free movement, is remaining under the jurisdiction
:34:11. > :34:17.of the European Court of Justice. Is that the Labour position? You've
:34:18. > :34:22.said that Labour wants to remain a member of the single market. That is
:34:23. > :34:28.the price tag that comes with it. Does Labour agree with paying that
:34:29. > :34:33.price tag? We are not pre-empting negotiation. Our goals are protect
:34:34. > :34:38.jobs and the British economy. Is it Labour's position that we remain a
:34:39. > :34:52.member of the customs union? Well, if we don't, I don't see how Theresa
:34:53. > :34:57.May can keep our promises and has unfettered access... You said
:34:58. > :35:05.Labour's position was clear. It is! It is clear that Theresa May... I am
:35:06. > :35:12.not asking about Theresa May. Is it Labour's position to remain a member
:35:13. > :35:17.of the customs union? It is Labour's position to do what is right for
:35:18. > :35:22.British industry. Depending on how the negotiations go, it may prove
:35:23. > :35:26.that coming out of the customs union, as Theresa May has indicated
:35:27. > :35:33.she wants to do, could prove catastrophic, and could actually
:35:34. > :35:37.destroy some of her promises. You do accept that if we are member of the
:35:38. > :35:46.customs union, we cannot do our own free trade deals? What free trade
:35:47. > :35:52.deals are you talking about? The ones that Labour might want to do in
:35:53. > :35:56.the future. First, we have to protect British jobs and British
:35:57. > :36:00.industries. If you are talking about free trade deals with Donald Trump,
:36:01. > :36:05.the danger is that Theresa May will get drawn into a free-trade deal
:36:06. > :36:12.with America that will open up the NHS to American corporate... The
:36:13. > :36:17.cards are in Theresa May's hands. If she takes us out of the single
:36:18. > :36:21.market, if she takes us out of the customs union, we will have to deal
:36:22. > :36:27.with that. How big a crisis for Jeremy Corbyn will be if Labour
:36:28. > :36:33.loses both by-elections in February. I don't believe we will lose both.
:36:34. > :36:42.But if he did? I am not anticipating that. Is Labour lost two seats in a
:36:43. > :36:45.midterm of a Tory government, would that be business as usual? I'm not
:36:46. > :36:47.prepared to see us lose those seats, so I will not talk about something
:36:48. > :36:51.that will not happen. Thank you. You're watching
:36:52. > :36:52.the Sunday Politics. We say goodbye to viewers
:36:53. > :36:55.in Scotland, who leave us now Coming up here in 20
:36:56. > :36:58.minutes, The Week Ahead, when we'll be talking
:36:59. > :37:00.to Business Minister Margot James about the government's
:37:01. > :37:03.new industrial strategy and that crucial Supreme Court
:37:04. > :37:06.ruling on Brexit. Hello.
:37:07. > :37:17.Politics where you are. Welcome to Sunday
:37:18. > :37:20.Politics in the West. Coming up, is it one mayor too many,
:37:21. > :37:23.we've got Lord Mayors and elected mayors, soon will get a West
:37:24. > :37:29.of England Metro Mayor. And there's also a new American
:37:30. > :37:32.president, of course, We did think of inviting him
:37:33. > :37:36.on the programme today, but he's probably building
:37:37. > :37:38.a wall somewhere! And anyway, we are only interested
:37:39. > :37:42.in A-listers on our little show. So we have two people
:37:43. > :37:45.who for one big in Bristol, they are Charlotte Leslie
:37:46. > :37:47.for the Conservatives, Charlotte, do you think that
:37:48. > :37:53.Donald Trump can make I think expectations are so low,
:37:54. > :37:58.maybe we are going to be I think we have to keep calm
:37:59. > :38:04.and carry on, not panic. He is there for a reason,
:38:05. > :38:09.people might lament yesteryear, when Obama was there,
:38:10. > :38:13.but that regime is what led I think we just have
:38:14. > :38:16.to see what happens. And he speaks, obviously,
:38:17. > :38:25.he does speak for a lot And I think it's a mistake
:38:26. > :38:28.to dismiss all those How he's going to respond
:38:29. > :38:34.is going to be very interesting. We just have to try and make
:38:35. > :38:37.the most of whatever happens. People have been out saying,
:38:38. > :38:42.build bridges and all that, do you think we should
:38:43. > :38:45.give him a chance? He's been elected president, and,
:38:46. > :38:52.like it or not, he's there. For the duration, well,
:38:53. > :38:55.possibly not for the duration. But, you know, it is hugely
:38:56. > :39:00.depressing, particularly when I don't agree with Charlotte,
:39:01. > :39:02.she says that Obama's eight years has led to this,
:39:03. > :39:05.you've got to remember that Hillary Clinton actually got nearly
:39:06. > :39:08.3 million more votes than tempted. But he did connect
:39:09. > :39:11.with the working class. He connected with a
:39:12. > :39:14.particular demographic. You must look at Jeremy Corbyn
:39:15. > :39:17.and think well if a billionaire can connect with the working classes why
:39:18. > :39:20.can't Mr Corbyn? There's always this odd thing,
:39:21. > :39:22.it's like Nigel Farage was public school educated,
:39:23. > :39:24.a stockbroker, very wealthy. He is somehow seen as the voice
:39:25. > :39:28.of the working class in the UK because he's photographed drinking
:39:29. > :39:30.a pint of beer. There's a real issue
:39:31. > :39:32.about a disconnect between certainly the left, the appeal
:39:33. > :39:37.the Metropolitan voters, if you like, and then
:39:38. > :39:42.the vote to the post People that lost their jobs
:39:43. > :39:48.in the big factories, there's not that sense
:39:49. > :39:50.of cohesion anymore. I would say his message
:39:51. > :39:59.is all about who he hates, You know, Obama was about hope,
:40:00. > :40:03.Clinton was about hope, and I just think Obama was such
:40:04. > :40:06.a decent, dignified man, I would hope that Trump doesn't just
:40:07. > :40:11.destroy that legacy. Brexit means Brexit,
:40:12. > :40:15.used to be the catch phrase trotted out to deflect difficult questions
:40:16. > :40:20.about the future outside the EU. But this week as the Prime Minister
:40:21. > :40:24.shed more light on the issue, if you know you're single market
:40:25. > :40:27.from your customs union then But businesses here
:40:28. > :40:30.have been complaining What I am proposing cannot mean
:40:31. > :40:40.membership of the single market. It was the week when her
:40:41. > :40:42.words echoed across We will pursue a bold and ambitious
:40:43. > :40:46.free trade agreement Brexit must mean control
:40:47. > :40:54.of the number of people who come No deal for Britain is better
:40:55. > :41:01.than a bad deal for Britain. Assembling such a complex trade deal
:41:02. > :41:04.inside two years will require this But while we wait for negotiations
:41:05. > :41:13.to start changes already happening. Speak to any firm in the West that
:41:14. > :41:16.does business with Europe and they'll tell you that Brexit
:41:17. > :41:18.is already having It's down to the weakening value
:41:19. > :41:22.of this, British Sterling, These caravans are being
:41:23. > :41:28.fitted with a German Since the referendum last June
:41:29. > :41:34.there's been a 15% rise That is being passed
:41:35. > :41:39.on to the customer with the price tag for a new caravan
:41:40. > :41:43.or motorhome up 5%. The costs might be rising,
:41:44. > :41:47.but bosses remain upbeat. One of the upsides for us
:41:48. > :41:50.is a weaker pound means that overseas holidays
:41:51. > :41:53.are more expensive. As a result people will holiday
:41:54. > :41:56.in the UK which is good for us. The staycation phenomenon
:41:57. > :41:59.will continue. A weak pound makes life tougher
:42:00. > :42:02.for those who import goods, but businesses that this food
:42:03. > :42:05.and drinks then in Bristol are being Look what the pound
:42:06. > :42:12.has done since Brexit. The pound has never been as weak,
:42:13. > :42:16.well, not for decades, Our products, people
:42:17. > :42:21.love our products, they've just got There is no legislation at the
:42:22. > :42:27.moment, or very little, crack on! Political turbulence isn't
:42:28. > :42:30.to everyone's taste. The bank, HSBC, is moving
:42:31. > :42:33.a thousand UK staff to Paris. At this clothing distribution
:42:34. > :42:39.business near Bristol Boss, Charlie Allen,
:42:40. > :42:44.isn't taking on new staff For him, any end to free trade
:42:45. > :42:50.might mean moving some At the moment he ships
:42:51. > :42:55.in skateboarding clothes from China to Bristol,
:42:56. > :42:57.where they are hit He then distribute them
:42:58. > :43:02.on to markets across the EU. The single market means
:43:03. > :43:06.he pays no further fees. But he worries Brexit might mean
:43:07. > :43:10.new trade barriers with Europe, which is why he has costed out
:43:11. > :43:13.starting up a new warehouse It's a decision we weren't
:43:14. > :43:19.making until we can see We hope to be able to keep
:43:20. > :43:25.all of our warehousing here. But it all hinges
:43:26. > :43:28.on those negotiations. One third come from Europe,
:43:29. > :43:34.and he's offered to pay for them He says it's to reassure them
:43:35. > :43:40.that they can carry on living here. I preferred it when we just used
:43:41. > :43:42.to sell skateboards, Ultimately, it's hardly huge
:43:43. > :43:49.impact our business. In London and on the Swiss Alps this
:43:50. > :43:56.week the Prime Minister But still not clear enough for some
:43:57. > :44:04.West Country businesses feeling That was Robin Barkwell, Charlotte,
:44:05. > :44:08.what mandate has the Prime Minister got for a hard Brexit
:44:09. > :44:12.when the country was pretty evenly split on whether we
:44:13. > :44:15.should leave the EU? I think you can rehearse
:44:16. > :44:18.whether a referendum result means a referendum result,
:44:19. > :44:21.there was a majority We do face a challenge of a very
:44:22. > :44:25.divided country now with a section But was she right to say out
:44:26. > :44:29.of the single market, possibly out of the customs union,
:44:30. > :44:31.the whole works. The independent think tank,
:44:32. > :44:35.told Europe, which has been neutral on this,
:44:36. > :44:37.and just pragmatic, said that her speech
:44:38. > :44:39.was a masterclass in common sense. And I think what she was doing
:44:40. > :44:42.is looking at the realities and doing her best to make it
:44:43. > :44:45.work for Britain. You can't base what you want to do
:44:46. > :44:48.one a fantasy, however much you might want the world to be
:44:49. > :44:51.something else, it isn't. As we saw in your clip,
:44:52. > :44:53.there are difficult challenges to overcome, but there arch
:44:54. > :44:57.two members upsides. Particularly for Britain, but also,
:44:58. > :45:01.for emerging economies like Africa, for whom Europe has been a real
:45:02. > :45:03.barrier to trade. Britain now has a chance to deal
:45:04. > :45:06.with them and help lift those I think the problem
:45:07. > :45:14.was that we still, we had a little bit more clarity from Theresa May,
:45:15. > :45:17.but she just outlined 12 She's now got to go around 27
:45:18. > :45:23.European countries and get I simply don't think she's
:45:24. > :45:27.going to get, you know, it was a very positive speech
:45:28. > :45:29.about this new era. These countries aren't
:45:30. > :45:33.going to sign away... We can't go into this negotiation
:45:34. > :45:36.saying we want all the good bits, and we don't want any of the bits
:45:37. > :45:39.we don't like. That still seems to be
:45:40. > :45:42.the negotiation stance. Is there anything at all
:45:43. > :45:45.that she is prepared to give up, because we want complete access
:45:46. > :45:47.to the market, we don't want to pay anything into it,
:45:48. > :45:50.we don't want free movement. I think they really important point
:45:51. > :45:55.she made is that a lot of this, a of the success of Europe,
:45:56. > :45:59.she said we want a strong Europe, It hasn't been said
:46:00. > :46:02.enough in the past. She was saying, look,
:46:03. > :46:05.we are up for being pragmatic. And we really want
:46:06. > :46:08.you to succeed as well. And, actually, an awful lot of this
:46:09. > :46:14.is a choice for Europe, whether it wants to punish us
:46:15. > :46:17.because it are proud of its project, or whether it wants
:46:18. > :46:19.prosperity and pragmatism. So the pragmatic thing is for them
:46:20. > :46:24.to give us everything, The pragmatic thing is to do a deal
:46:25. > :46:30.whereby we do well, they do well. Often it said that Britain want
:46:31. > :46:34.something for it so that other countries don't want,
:46:35. > :46:36.but Britain, I think, would say to any other country
:46:37. > :46:38.in Europe that wants to play to its strengths and not be part
:46:39. > :46:41.of a homogenous group together, you can do
:46:42. > :46:43.that as well. Kerry, do you accept that this
:46:44. > :46:48.was a debate about immigration? This is what Theresa May,
:46:49. > :46:51.sort of, understands. I think, certainly,
:46:52. > :46:55.during the referendum campaign a lot of people who voted leave voted
:46:56. > :46:57.because they had concerns about the level of
:46:58. > :47:01.immigration in this country. I think that is something that does
:47:02. > :47:03.have to be addressed. This is why the whole discussion
:47:04. > :47:09.about membership of the single market would mean you sign up
:47:10. > :47:12.to the full freedoms which would I think almost everybody accepts
:47:13. > :47:17.that we do have two address that. But you also have to acknowledge
:47:18. > :47:20.that a lot of the businesses, we heard from a business on that
:47:21. > :47:24.clip that has a lot of European Food sector, farming sector,
:47:25. > :47:28.across the south-west, there are workers that depend
:47:29. > :47:32.on that Labour. That leads very neatly
:47:33. > :47:37.to the next question. Do you accept that you got it
:47:38. > :47:39.wrong on immigration, Do you think it should be cut back
:47:40. > :47:46.drastically from Europe? Or should we continue
:47:47. > :47:48.to have free movement? It's difficult to unpick
:47:49. > :47:55.because you have... It is, because your party,
:47:56. > :48:01.in the Bristol scenario a lot of immigration would be people,
:48:02. > :48:03.refugees, asylum seekers, We are talking about people
:48:04. > :48:09.moving from Europe. When people voted and expressed
:48:10. > :48:13.concerns at immigration they weren't just talking
:48:14. > :48:16.about Eastern European immigration. They were talking about
:48:17. > :48:18.immigration across the board. You do have to look
:48:19. > :48:22.at it in the round. I think that what hasn't been
:48:23. > :48:25.answered is how we square that, where people, sometimes,
:48:26. > :48:31.justified, sometimes unjustified concerns about immigration,
:48:32. > :48:34.how do you square that I'm none the wiser, really,
:48:35. > :48:39.about whether you think there should Yes, I think we need
:48:40. > :48:42.European workers. I think there are so
:48:43. > :48:44.many businesses... I'm not saying that they shouldn't
:48:45. > :48:48.be some restrictions, but I am saying that we cannot just
:48:49. > :48:51.close the doors One word answers from you both,
:48:52. > :48:56.will you vote to trigger Article 50? I think, unless Theresa May comes
:48:57. > :49:05.forward with the white paper with clarity, unless she explains
:49:06. > :49:08.how on earth she thinks she's going to manage to get this deal
:49:09. > :49:12.on the table with about 18 Mr Corbyn said on Friday
:49:13. > :49:15.that he expected all Labour MPs to support the triggering
:49:16. > :49:17.of article 50. I think it's a serious issue,
:49:18. > :49:40.but I'm going to give it 900,000 people in the West will soon
:49:41. > :49:46.be getting a brand-new type of political leader, a Metro Mayor in
:49:47. > :49:49.May. Voters will go to the polls in South Gloucestershire, Bath, North
:49:50. > :49:54.East Somerset and Bristol. Most candidates have been chosen for what
:49:55. > :49:58.should be a high-profile job. They may struggle to get voters
:49:59. > :50:02.interested. The West already has plenty of
:50:03. > :50:09.Mayor. Most perform ceremonial roles in the town and cities. The
:50:10. > :50:14.collected Mayor so far is in Bristol. The new Metro Mayor will be
:50:15. > :50:19.different, covering Bristol, South Gloucestershire and Bath and North
:50:20. > :50:22.East Somerset. But with separate powers from central government over
:50:23. > :50:27.things like transport, planning and adult education. That has so far
:50:28. > :50:32.failed to make an impact on many voters.
:50:33. > :50:37.To be honest I don't know. I've heard that there is a process,
:50:38. > :50:39.but I don't know what it is. These three areas have different
:50:40. > :50:46.needs. It doesn't seem a good idea to me.
:50:47. > :50:51.No. Not aware. It's different for those involved in
:50:52. > :50:55.the West's politics. They have been focused on it since they voted for
:50:56. > :50:58.the change last summer. They know the result is far from a foregone
:50:59. > :51:03.conclusion. Based on the votes cast across the
:51:04. > :51:06.sea council areas in the last general election the Conservatives,
:51:07. > :51:12.who came well ahead, reckon they are favourites for the contest. But go
:51:13. > :51:16.back to 2010 and the Lib Dems came first. Labour know the area can be
:51:17. > :51:20.good for them. They got the most votes in the three previous general
:51:21. > :51:23.elections. Local elections usually see the
:51:24. > :51:27.party and government suffer at the polls. The Conservatives hope to
:51:28. > :51:33.buck that trend. There was a smile on the face of Tim Bowles who was
:51:34. > :51:37.yesterday chosen as their candidate. Genuinely absolutely thrilled and
:51:38. > :51:42.humbled. It was an amazing turnout. A to reflect thing to see so many
:51:43. > :51:47.people. I know the other candidates got to know them well. They were to
:51:48. > :51:50.whether brilliant candidates and I was really surprised to learn from
:51:51. > :51:56.every body else how many other good quality candidates we had.
:51:57. > :52:01.Labour's selection of Leslie Mansell has pleased the other parties.
:52:02. > :52:04.Especially the Liberal Democrats. Two are competing to be their
:52:05. > :52:09.candidate, council leader Simon Clark and ex-Bristol West MP Stephen
:52:10. > :52:12.Williams who feels they are on the up.
:52:13. > :52:16.Ask me a year ago could the Liberal Democrats aspire to win an election
:52:17. > :52:22.across the West country I would have said no. We need more time to
:52:23. > :52:27.recover. Maybe by 2020 we will have done, but the referendum vote, the
:52:28. > :52:36.Brexit outcome has transformed British politics.
:52:37. > :52:38.Morale is very, very bullish. There is a smile back on our faces. We've
:52:39. > :52:40.stopped being disillusioned and stopped being disillusioned and
:52:41. > :52:44.disgruntled. We are going to win. Ukip's candidate is Aaron foot. They
:52:45. > :52:50.are likely to concentrate on other more winnable contest. The Greens
:52:51. > :52:55.have selected former Parliamentary candidate for Bristol West.
:52:56. > :53:00.I think Bristol and Bath is one of those places where people are aware
:53:01. > :53:03.of the next generation. They are aware of the pressures from climate
:53:04. > :53:06.change. They are aware of the need for jobs that are resilient in the
:53:07. > :53:09.future. I think we've got a good opportunity in the Bristol and Bath
:53:10. > :53:13.area. All will now be getting about
:53:14. > :53:18.campaigning, but the hardest task may not be winning electors over as
:53:19. > :53:22.getting them to actually vote. The biggest problem is that this is
:53:23. > :53:27.going to be the fourth election for the electorate in two years. I
:53:28. > :53:34.strongly suspect that we could see turnouts fall below 20%. That is
:53:35. > :53:37.going to be very difficult for all the parties.
:53:38. > :53:42.The candidates have just over 100 days to sell themselves around the
:53:43. > :53:48.new role to the people of the West. So we've got another election coming
:53:49. > :53:52.up. Does anybody want a Metro Mayor? We want the things they could
:53:53. > :53:57.accomplish. Such as what? A joined up transport
:53:58. > :54:02.strategy for the region. Don't be ridiculous! I'd like to
:54:03. > :54:06.think that a Metro Mayor could accomplish that.
:54:07. > :54:11.Would they be senior to the Bristol Mayor?
:54:12. > :54:18.One of the arguments for a Mayor and Bristol know that the public know
:54:19. > :54:23.who is accountable. Marvin is well-established. People know who
:54:24. > :54:27.they are. I worry that the Metro Mayor will be an obscure person and
:54:28. > :54:28.no one is quite sure who they are or what they do.
:54:29. > :54:33.You won't have that accountability. You won't have that accountability.
:54:34. > :54:40.Who your candidate Leslie Mansell. Would you put her in that category?
:54:41. > :54:45.It isn't about the individual. It's about the way it is structured. How
:54:46. > :54:49.do you establish yourself in such a role? Anyone will find it difficult
:54:50. > :54:54.because people won't understand. It might be that once they are imposed,
:54:55. > :54:58.you see this with police and crime commission is, we get low turnouts,
:54:59. > :55:00.and the lot of people just don't realise why they are there and what
:55:01. > :55:06.they are doing. It's a bit of a democratic deficit.
:55:07. > :55:12.That is a reasonable point, isn't it? Voter fatigue, and we've got a
:55:13. > :55:17.Mayor, why do we want another one? It's having another election, do
:55:18. > :55:21.people know what this other Mayor is? That's a big effort to explain
:55:22. > :55:25.to people and not long to do it. This is the first time the role is
:55:26. > :55:30.there, we'll be voting again and next time people will have an idea
:55:31. > :55:34.who they are. Secondly, what this Mayor can do to make the roll their
:55:35. > :55:39.own. I think there is huge potential. Bristol's region
:55:40. > :55:46.misanthrope again and again because we haven't spoken together.
:55:47. > :55:48.But we could have had a transport authority in the other big cities
:55:49. > :55:53.have always had these passenger transport executive 's. You could
:55:54. > :55:58.have had leaders coming together. We've always tried to do it on an ad
:55:59. > :56:03.hoc basis. You will remember anyone, is this a way of bringing back an
:56:04. > :56:09.evil authority which can look at the big issues across a wide area? --
:56:10. > :56:13.Avon authority. We both campaigned for transport
:56:14. > :56:20.authority but it didn't happen. Maybe the Metro Mayor will enable
:56:21. > :56:26.the change to take place. I think it was sort of imposed on people. At
:56:27. > :56:30.had a referendum. We were the only had a referendum. We were the only
:56:31. > :56:34.city, all the others rejected the idea.
:56:35. > :56:37.We've been pushed into this. Bad personality, whoever it is, will
:56:38. > :56:42.have to come to a working arrangement with the leaders of the
:56:43. > :56:45.other, smaller authorities, given the historic differences between
:56:46. > :56:48.local authorities that won't be easy.
:56:49. > :56:54.It may not be easy, but I think they Metro Mayor could be in a good
:56:55. > :56:55.position to do that. They key task should be to bring areas that think
:56:56. > :57:02.they are different to be a wider region.
:57:03. > :57:04.Would you go for it? I wouldn't, I'm happy being an MP.
:57:05. > :57:07.I have more than enough to keep me I have more than enough to keep me
:57:08. > :57:15.busy for a while yet. So that they may be? It's a no!
:57:16. > :57:24.Now, let's take a whistle-stop tour of the news this week in 60 seconds.
:57:25. > :57:28.Bristol's other banks become Aaron Banks launched an antiestablishment
:57:29. > :57:33.website, the Brexit campaigners said West Munster would shake up the
:57:34. > :57:37.media. He was among a handful of Brits to go to Donald Trump 's's
:57:38. > :57:41.inauguration. He won't be afraid to bring in that other people don't
:57:42. > :57:44.find very palatable. The man in charge of promoting
:57:45. > :57:50.businesses in Somerset about a row by getting a 26% pay rise. Local
:57:51. > :57:54.enterprise partnership said it put Chris Garcia's salary in line with
:57:55. > :57:57.reverence. Somerset Council leader claimed it
:57:58. > :58:01.was out of touch. Councillors in Bath say they are now looking at
:58:02. > :58:05.just two sites for the city's new park and ride. They will decide next
:58:06. > :58:13.week. Campaigners oppose both. And more councils announced inflation
:58:14. > :58:22.tax rises, they will all be charging 3.5% more. They save money is needed
:58:23. > :58:29.to social care. -- to fund social care. That was the week, it has
:58:30. > :58:34.flown by. Let's talk about council tax than this referendum suggesting
:58:35. > :58:39.a very large increase in the tax. Is that something Labour would support?
:58:40. > :58:48.After all, you've been asking for better public services for years.
:58:49. > :58:52.What we want is very funding. The problem with devolutionist
:58:53. > :58:56.austerities that poorer communities aren't able to raise as much as the
:58:57. > :59:01.wealthier committees but are the ones that probably have more need
:59:02. > :59:04.for services. It can be unfair. It's always a combination of local
:59:05. > :59:10.funding, but National funding as well. That's why we're making case
:59:11. > :59:14.for a Meno, government funding, to support what Bristol needs. Marvin
:59:15. > :59:19.has got fined ?100 million with cuts in five years, that's sustainable.
:59:20. > :59:22.Charlotte, is very excuse for continued austerity and local
:59:23. > :59:26.government? We had to make efficiencies.
:59:27. > :59:29.Interestingly, the area of the country having the rest around them,
:59:30. > :59:34.if they are at their council tax they will still be below the average
:59:35. > :59:37.national council tax. They have had real efficiencies, they are only
:59:38. > :59:43.rising their tax to an average level. I think Bristol council still
:59:44. > :59:48.has the enormous efficiencies it could make.
:59:49. > :59:53.Name one. I'd like to see what they spend on consultancies and
:59:54. > :59:58.recruitment agencies. We will ask them. That is it from the West this
:59:59. > :00:01.week, my thanks to my guest, Charlotte Leslie and Kerry McCarthy.
:00:02. > :00:06.Follow us on Twitter for the latest news from the West. Catch up on my
:00:07. > :00:09.player, this would be available there. For now, back
:00:10. > :00:12.have to do this. Thank you to you both.
:00:13. > :00:22.What exactly is the government's industrial strategy?
:00:23. > :00:26.Will ministers lose their supreme court battle over Brexit, and,
:00:27. > :00:38.Well, tomorrow Theresa May is launching the government's
:00:39. > :00:41.industrial strategy - and to talk about that we're joined
:00:42. > :00:49.by the Business Minister, Margot James - welcome to the show.
:00:50. > :00:56.When you look at what has already been released in advance of the
:00:57. > :01:02.Prime Minister's statement, it was embargoed for last night, it's not
:01:03. > :01:06.really an industrial strategy, it's just another skills strategy, of
:01:07. > :01:13.which we have had about six since the war, and our skills training is
:01:14. > :01:17.among the worst in Western Europe? There will be plenty more to be
:01:18. > :01:21.announced tomorrow in what is really a discussion document in the
:01:22. > :01:25.preparation of an industrial strategy which we intend to launch
:01:26. > :01:34.properly later in the year. Let's look at skills. You are allocating
:01:35. > :01:40.117 of funding to establish institutes of technology. How many?
:01:41. > :01:46.The exact number is to be agreed, but the spend is there, and it will
:01:47. > :01:49.be on top of what we are doing to the university, technical
:01:50. > :01:55.colleges... How many were lit bio create? We don't know exactly, but
:01:56. > :01:59.we want to put them in areas where young people are performing under
:02:00. > :02:06.the national average. But if you don't know how many, what is the
:02:07. > :02:10.basis of 170 million? That is the amount the Treasury have released.
:02:11. > :02:15.The something that is very important, we are agreed we need to
:02:16. > :02:21.devote more resources to vocational training and get it on a par with
:02:22. > :02:27.academic qualifications. I looked on the website of my old university,
:02:28. > :02:32.the University of Glasgow, the Russell group universities. Its
:02:33. > :02:40.spending budget every year is over 600 million. That's one University.
:02:41. > :02:45.And yet you have a mere 170 million foreign unspecified number of
:02:46. > :02:50.institutes of technology. It hasn't got equality with the academics? You
:02:51. > :02:54.have to remember that just as you have quoted figures from Glasgow
:02:55. > :02:58.University there are further education colleges all over the
:02:59. > :03:07.country. The government is already spending on 16 to 19-year-olds. But
:03:08. > :03:12.also, we are going to be adding... This is new money that is all to the
:03:13. > :03:17.good, because we are already spending a lot. We have already
:03:18. > :03:21.created 2 million more apprentices since 2010. That many are not in
:03:22. > :03:26.what we would call the stem skills, and a lot come nowhere near what the
:03:27. > :03:32.Dutch, Germans and Austrians would have. I'm not clear how another 170
:03:33. > :03:37.million would do. You said it is more than skills. In what way is
:03:38. > :03:48.this industrial strategy different from what Mr Cameron and Mr Osborne
:03:49. > :03:50.did before? It's different because it is involving every single
:03:51. > :03:53.government department, and bringing together everything that government
:03:54. > :03:56.does in a bid to make Britain more competitive as it disengages from
:03:57. > :04:02.the European Union. That is what the last Labour government did. They
:04:03. > :04:06.will much more targeted interventions. Under the Labour
:04:07. > :04:11.government, the auto industry got some benefit. A few more sectors
:04:12. > :04:15.were broached under the coalition government. This is all about
:04:16. > :04:20.communities all over the country, some of whom have fallen behind in
:04:21. > :04:26.terms of wage growth and good jobs. The Prime Minister has already
:04:27. > :04:33.announced 2 billion as a research and development priority in specific
:04:34. > :04:37.technologies, robotics, artificial intelligence, medical technology,
:04:38. > :04:42.satellites... So you are doing what has been done before. There is
:04:43. > :04:47.nothing new about this. Wait until tomorrow, because there will be some
:04:48. > :04:50.new strands emerging. It is the beginning of the dialogue with
:04:51. > :04:57.industry and with workers, and the responses will be invited up until
:04:58. > :05:02.April. That will inform a wider strategy that goes beyond skills. I
:05:03. > :05:07.have moved on to beyond them. I'm slightly puzzled as to how the
:05:08. > :05:13.government knows where to invest in robotics, when it can't even provide
:05:14. > :05:18.the NHS with a decent IT system. Discuss. I have to say I find it
:05:19. > :05:21.bizarre that the government is making an announcement about an
:05:22. > :05:26.amount of money and don't know where it's going. This is typical of all
:05:27. > :05:32.governments over all political shoes, which is total disregard for
:05:33. > :05:40.technical education, so different from Germany, who actually invest in
:05:41. > :05:46.the technological side. Germany has a long history. We want to emulate
:05:47. > :05:51.some of the best of what German companies do. Siemens sponsor
:05:52. > :05:57.primary schools, for example. We want to get a dialogue on with
:05:58. > :06:02.business. We don't want to decide where this money is going. By the
:06:03. > :06:07.way, it was 4.7 billion that the government has agreed to invest in
:06:08. > :06:11.science and research, which is the most significant increase in
:06:12. > :06:15.decades. Can you remind us what happened in Northern Ireland, when
:06:16. > :06:19.the government invested money in state-of-the-art technology for
:06:20. > :06:26.energy? No one needs to be reminded of that, and that is not what we are
:06:27. > :06:31.doing. We are inviting business and industry to advise where that money
:06:32. > :06:37.is best spent. That's very different from government deciding that a
:06:38. > :06:42.particular technology is for the future. The government's chief
:06:43. > :06:47.scientific adviser has determined that we will invest a huge amount in
:06:48. > :06:53.battery technology, which should benefit the electric car industry,
:06:54. > :06:59.and... This is taxpayers' money. Who gets it? Ultimately, business will
:07:00. > :07:04.get it, but often only when there is a considerable amount of private
:07:05. > :07:12.sector finance also drawn in. But who is held to account? Various
:07:13. > :07:17.government departments at local authorities will hold this list to
:07:18. > :07:24.account. A lot of it is about releasing private capital as well.
:07:25. > :07:31.Thank you very much. This week, the Supreme Court, I think we know the
:07:32. > :07:35.ruling is coming on Tuesday. And the expectation is that the judges will
:07:36. > :07:40.say Parliament will have to vote to trigger. Is this all much ado about
:07:41. > :07:44.nothing? Parliament will vote to trigger, and the government will win
:07:45. > :07:48.in the Lords and the Commons by substantial majorities, and it will
:07:49. > :07:53.be triggered? Completely. We've known that. Parliament is voted.
:07:54. > :07:57.Everyone is pretty confident that the Supreme Court will uphold the
:07:58. > :08:06.High Court's decision and say it has to go to MPs. There will be a bit of
:08:07. > :08:11.toing and froing among MPs on amendments. You heard Diane Abbott's
:08:12. > :08:15.slightly car crash interview there. The Lib Dems may throw something in,
:08:16. > :08:22.but we will trigger Article 50 by the end of March. If it also says
:08:23. > :08:27.that the roll of Edinburgh, Cardiff and Belfast should be picked up,
:08:28. > :08:31.that could complicate matters. Absolutely. That could delay the
:08:32. > :08:36.planned triggering of Article 50 before the end of March. Not what
:08:37. > :08:41.they say about the Westminster Parliament, because it is clear that
:08:42. > :08:46.it was. I never understood the furore about that original judgment,
:08:47. > :08:50.because every MP made it clear they wouldn't block it. Even though Diane
:08:51. > :08:56.Abbott was evasive on several fronts, she said they wouldn't block
:08:57. > :09:00.it. You are right, if they give a vote, or give some authorisation for
:09:01. > :09:05.the Scottish Parliament and other devolved assemblies, that might
:09:06. > :09:11.delay the whole sequence. That is the only significant thing to watch
:09:12. > :09:16.out for. Watch out on Tuesday. Mrs May goes to Washington. It will be
:09:17. > :09:21.another movie in the making! I would suggest that she has a tricky line
:09:22. > :09:26.to follow. She has got to be seen to be taking advantage of the fact that
:09:27. > :09:31.there is a very pro-British, pro-Brexit president in the Oval
:09:32. > :09:35.Office, who I am told is prepared to expend political capital on this.
:09:36. > :09:48.But on the other hand, to make sure that she is not what we used to call
:09:49. > :09:51.Mr Blair, George Bush's poodle. It is very difficult, and who would not
:09:52. > :09:55.want to be a fly on the wall in that meeting! I can't think of anyone in
:09:56. > :10:00.the world who would despise Mr Trump more than Mrs May, and for him, he
:10:01. > :10:11.dislikes any woman who does not look like a supermodel, no disrespected
:10:12. > :10:14.Mrs May. Most of it is actually anti-EU, and I think we should
:10:15. > :10:19.capitalise it. Let's get the Queen to earn her money, roll out the red
:10:20. > :10:27.carpet, invite him to dinner, spend the night, what ever we need...
:10:28. > :10:31.Trump at Balmoral! Here is the issue, because the agenda is, as we
:10:32. > :10:37.heard from Ted Malloch earlier, that this is not an administration that
:10:38. > :10:40.has much time for the EU, EU integration or Germany. I think
:10:41. > :10:45.Germany will be the second biggest loser to begin with. They will not
:10:46. > :10:53.even give a date for Angela Merkel to meet the president. This is an
:10:54. > :11:02.opportunity for Mrs May... It is a huge. It could sideline talks of the
:11:03. > :11:08.punishment beating from Germany. The Trump presidency has completely
:11:09. > :11:12.changed the field on Brexit. Along came Donald Trump, and Theresa May
:11:13. > :11:18.has this incredible opportunity here. Not of her making, but she has
:11:19. > :11:23.played her cards well. To an officially be the EU emissary to
:11:24. > :11:28.Washington, to get some sort of broker going. That gives us huge
:11:29. > :11:32.extra leveraged in the Brexit negotiations. People around the
:11:33. > :11:37.world think Germany as a currency manipulator, that it is benefiting
:11:38. > :11:41.from an underpriced euro, hence the huge surplus it runs of America, and
:11:42. > :11:47.they think it is disgraceful that a country that runs a massive budget
:11:48. > :11:52.surplus spends only 1.2% of its GDP on defence, and America runs a
:11:53. > :11:58.massive deficit and needs to spend a lot more. He's going for Germany.
:11:59. > :12:03.And what a massive shift. I think Obama was quite open, in a farewell
:12:04. > :12:08.interview, that he felt closer to Merkel than any other European
:12:09. > :12:15.leader. And Jamie kind of reflected that in our discussion. Yes, that's
:12:16. > :12:19.very interesting discussion. I think she was the last person he spoke to
:12:20. > :12:26.in the White House, Obama. And now you are getting the onslaught from
:12:27. > :12:30.Trump. This Thatcher- Reagan imagery is dangerous, though. Blair was
:12:31. > :12:35.hypnotised by it and was too scared to criticise Bush, because he wanted
:12:36. > :12:41.to be seen in that light, and we know where that led. Cameron
:12:42. > :12:44.similarly with Obama, which presented him with problems, as
:12:45. > :12:51.Obama didn't regard him as his number one pin up in Europe. I would
:12:52. > :12:56.put a note of caution in there about the Thatcher - Reagan parallel.
:12:57. > :13:01.Everything Trump is doing now is different from before, so Mrs May
:13:02. > :13:07.should not have any of these previous relationships in her mind.
:13:08. > :13:14.That is not entirely true. Donald Trump aches to be the new Ronald
:13:15. > :13:18.Reagan. He may be impeached first! He sees her as the new Margaret
:13:19. > :13:26.Thatcher, and that may her leveraged with him. Thank you.
:13:27. > :13:31.We'll be back here at the same time next week, and you can catch up
:13:32. > :13:33.on all the latest political news on the Daily Politics,
:13:34. > :13:37.In the meantime, remember - if it's Sunday,
:13:38. > :14:15.It's just pain, but it doesn't feel like pain,
:14:16. > :14:40.it feels much more violent, dark and exciting.
:14:41. > :14:45.Join Michael Buerk as he explores the dishes fit for kings and queens.