:01:42. > :01:52.In the North, we report from the estate where residents fear the
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:01:52. > :29:48.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 1676 seconds
:29:48. > :29:52.scrapping of ASBOs will lead to an Good morning. This is the Sunday
:29:52. > :29:56.Politics for a Yorkshire and Lincolnshire. Coming up: A Tory
:29:56. > :30:01.blues in the North. The Yorkshire MP who is warning his
:30:01. > :30:06.own government it is in danger of alienating northern voters.
:30:06. > :30:12.Our guests today a Stuart Andrew, Conservative MP for Pudsey and
:30:12. > :30:21.Austin Mitchell, MP for Labour for Great Grimsby. We are talking about
:30:21. > :30:26.anti-social behaviour orders. What is wrong with ASBOs? When ASBOs
:30:26. > :30:31.have been and forced on people, half of them get breached. Many
:30:31. > :30:35.people have lost confidence in them being an effective measure. People
:30:35. > :30:41.are not reporting anti-social behaviour that is happening on
:30:41. > :30:46.their estate. We have got to tackle persistent anti-social behaviour.
:30:46. > :30:56.This new approach will hopefully be more successful. If it ain't broke
:30:56. > :31:01.don't fix it! This is no great change or improvement. The police
:31:02. > :31:06.light to it and it worked well, so they have just introduced two new
:31:06. > :31:14.orders, the crime prevention injunction order and the Criminal
:31:14. > :31:19.Behaviour Order. It is much the same as it was. It is no great
:31:19. > :31:23.change. I can see the problem that you referred to a recurring. ASBOs
:31:23. > :31:27.were introduced in the early days of the last Labour government. They
:31:27. > :31:31.are civil orders aimed at banning people from certain types of
:31:31. > :31:35.behaviour or going to certain places without going through the
:31:35. > :31:40.criminal courts. New measures will be piloted in parts of Lincolnshire
:31:40. > :31:48.from next month, but not everyone is convinced the proposals will be
:31:48. > :31:52.an improvement. We went to one estate in Scunthorpe.
:31:52. > :31:58.The Government has described them as a sticking-plaster rather than a
:31:58. > :32:02.solution, but one woman living on a council estate in Scunthorpe says
:32:02. > :32:07.that simplifying anti-social behaviour orders will lead to more
:32:07. > :32:14.problems. Here on the Westcliff estate, there are some areas where
:32:14. > :32:22.residents fit attention -- Fiat to venture. The pensioners don't come
:32:22. > :32:31.here. The kids just sit there drinking all day from eight in the
:32:31. > :32:41.morning until late at night. It doesn't bother them. If they see a
:32:41. > :32:44.
:32:44. > :32:46.police officer, they aren't scared. Changing the ASBO to something like
:32:46. > :32:53.a Criminal Behaviour Order might not have the same impact in
:32:53. > :32:58.tackling crime on the estate. have a gang of kids going round at
:32:58. > :33:01.night time throwing eggs at windows. I do not agree with getting rid of
:33:01. > :33:07.ASBOs because then the kids will learn that they can get away with
:33:07. > :33:11.more staff and not get punished. One of the biggest criticisms from
:33:11. > :33:17.the Conservatives is that Labour made anti-social behaviour orders
:33:17. > :33:24.too complicated. The coalition government wants to reduce the
:33:24. > :33:28.existing 19 per -- powers to six. There will be a new community to
:33:28. > :33:34.kiss been meaning that police will be forced to respond if five
:33:34. > :33:42.households complain or the same individual complaints three times.
:33:42. > :33:48.Despite ASBOs having been in place for many years, we still sleep -- c
:33:48. > :33:52.3 million instances of anti-social behaviour every year. The number of
:33:52. > :33:57.ASBOs over the last 10 years has very dramatically, from 99 in
:33:57. > :34:05.Lincolnshire to more than 1,500 in West Yorkshire. More than half of
:34:05. > :34:09.the orders were breached at least once. Keith Hunter, former chief
:34:09. > :34:12.superintendent and candidate for the police and crime
:34:12. > :34:17.commissionaires -- Commissioner's role, thinks reforms will make
:34:17. > :34:21.things difficult. They appear much more complicated than ASBOs. You
:34:21. > :34:27.have five different orders and a requirement for the police to count
:34:27. > :34:31.the number of times people are reporting things. All of that is
:34:31. > :34:36.going to impose a burden on the police service at a time when they
:34:36. > :34:39.cannot afford to have an extra burden. Also running for Police
:34:39. > :34:45.Commissioner in Humberside is the former Deputy Prime Minister John
:34:45. > :34:49.Prescott, he believes that ASBOs should be preserved. They are just
:34:49. > :34:53.playing around with words. There is anti-social behaviour and you need
:34:53. > :34:58.to deal with it, so these orders were dealing with it. They have now
:34:58. > :35:08.made that more difficult. I don't believe they should get rid of this
:35:08. > :35:09.
:35:09. > :35:19.ASBO. They need to keep it and make it stronger as well. Residents Kear
:35:19. > :35:21.
:35:21. > :35:26.hope that getting rid of the ASBO will not mean a rise in crime.
:35:26. > :35:35.We have also been joined by Yvonne Crowther who went et -- an award
:35:35. > :35:38.after she set up an award -- a scheme in a rough part of Leeds.
:35:39. > :35:46.What kind of problems if you have in your area? Dreadful problems
:35:46. > :35:52.with young people and adults going into empty properties, removing
:35:52. > :36:00.boilers, smashing windows. We have two young men who kept kicking wink
:36:00. > :36:05.mirrors of cars. Anything you could think of, we had it. We have joined
:36:05. > :36:10.writing, everything. De ASBOs work? I was not a fan of them to begin
:36:10. > :36:15.with, because I did not think they would work. I think it is more a
:36:15. > :36:21.case of most of the multi- agency agencies working together to deal
:36:21. > :36:27.with this. What you say, Austin Mitchell, to someone like Yvonne
:36:27. > :36:36.who is not convinced? There is no indication that the new system will
:36:36. > :36:40.work any better. They are going to be more give -- difficult to get it,
:36:40. > :36:50.because if you have to get the consent of five households, we all
:36:50. > :36:53.
:36:53. > :36:59.know that some people are terrorised into not complaining.
:36:59. > :37:03.Stuart Andrew, but that create more work for the police? As I
:37:03. > :37:09.understand it, that is for persistent problems where people
:37:09. > :37:12.are making numerous complaints and nothing is being done about it. If
:37:12. > :37:20.five households do complain, something has to be done about it
:37:20. > :37:24.by the agencies. Contained within this is dealing with the root
:37:24. > :37:30.problem. We are looking at drug- abuse. Is that the root cause of
:37:30. > :37:35.the problem? As Yvonne says, this is not just about young people.
:37:35. > :37:40.There are a lot of adults out there who are behaving appallingly and
:37:40. > :37:47.making the lives of people an absolute misery. We have to deal
:37:47. > :37:52.with that. Yvonne, you are not a fan of ASBOs and John not a fan of
:37:52. > :37:57.this idea -- new idea either. How would you stop people terrorising
:37:57. > :38:05.neighbourhoods? I am not a fan of the new system because it will make
:38:05. > :38:09.it more difficult to report problems. Last year, we set up a
:38:09. > :38:18.project on the estate where we are involved in every single agency
:38:18. > :38:23.that we could think of, housing and needed to grow a backbone and say
:38:23. > :38:27.to their residents, you are breaching the terms of your tenancy.
:38:27. > :38:34.We need to re-educate the people of England to stop working and living
:38:34. > :38:42.like this. They have lost all respect for each other, and the
:38:42. > :38:47.neighbours. ASBOs and Criminal Behaviour Orders are not the answer.
:38:47. > :38:52.The problem is a lot of you people have no fear of the law. Do we need
:38:52. > :38:56.tougher punishments? I think a lot of things I just brushed under the
:38:57. > :39:02.carpet, unfortunately, and they need to be taken more seriously. We
:39:02. > :39:07.have become a nanny state and have been doing everything for everybody.
:39:07. > :39:10.It is difficult to get somebody dealt with and to get them and ASBO
:39:10. > :39:14.because it takes a long time because you have got to make sure
:39:14. > :39:19.that you have in place every single bit of support for that family.
:39:19. > :39:23.Really, what they need to be doing, is realising that you cannot live
:39:23. > :39:30.like this and terrorise people because action will be taken.
:39:30. > :39:34.we need is more jobs. But if you have youth unemployment, your life
:39:34. > :39:38.becomes aimless and you have no purpose. It is work that integrates
:39:38. > :39:43.people. I absolutely agree with that, but it is not just young
:39:43. > :39:48.people. There are people of all ages behaving appallingly. The
:39:49. > :39:52.point that if one is making is that people do not have respect for
:39:52. > :39:59.other people's quality of life and we have to make sure there is a
:39:59. > :40:04.system in place to deal with that effectively. The draft bill is
:40:04. > :40:08.coming out, and we will learn lessons and see whether this will
:40:08. > :40:12.be effective or not. We will bring in tough measures so that people
:40:13. > :40:18.can live in peace. We have to leave that debate there for now. My
:40:18. > :40:21.favourite example of an ASBO was and 87-year-old pensioner who was
:40:21. > :40:27.taken to court for playing Glenn Miller records too loud. Thank you
:40:27. > :40:32.very much. Yorkshire Conservative MP is
:40:32. > :40:37.warning the Government to take steps to prevent alienating
:40:37. > :40:40.northern voters. The plea for -- from Kris Hopkins is coming at a
:40:40. > :40:46.difficult times after local elections disappointed the
:40:46. > :40:52.Conservative Party. David Cameron has feted -- faced criticism for
:40:52. > :40:56.focusing on issues like House of Lords reform and local May oral
:40:56. > :41:04.elections. It does not get much more Yorkshire
:41:04. > :41:13.than this more. This may look like classic conservative country, but
:41:13. > :41:17.this is a marginal seats. It is see its like here that David Cameron is
:41:18. > :41:22.desperate to hold on to to win a second term, but down the road at
:41:22. > :41:26.this community centre in the middle of Keighley, floating voters are
:41:26. > :41:30.wondering if his Government is tackling the issues that matter.
:41:30. > :41:35.They are not doing enough for disabled people. The cuts have
:41:35. > :41:41.affected them more than anybody else. Politicians just want to line
:41:41. > :41:44.their own pockets. I have been a lifelong Conservative. I was a
:41:44. > :41:49.secretary for the Young Conservatives, and I would be
:41:49. > :41:54.undecided about you I'm going to vote for. This local lobbyist we
:41:54. > :42:03.met in the centre's cafe say it is time for the Prime Minister to go
:42:03. > :42:13.back to basics. Why are 49% of the working population without
:42:13. > :42:13.
:42:14. > :42:18.qualifications? People are living in poverty. Those issues are the
:42:19. > :42:26.things that people are concerned about. Who gives a monkey's about
:42:26. > :42:31.Lords reform? If David Cameron needs to wake up and smell the
:42:31. > :42:40.coffee, this could be the man to serve it up. Keighley's MP has
:42:40. > :42:44.formed a group of 100 Conservative backbenches. 301 is the number of
:42:44. > :42:48.seats required to form a majority at the next election. They want to
:42:48. > :42:53.keep the Prime Minister focused on the issues that mattered to
:42:53. > :43:00.wavering Tory voters, especially in marginal seats in northern regions
:43:00. > :43:06.like ours. We do not want to just be a party at the South. We need to
:43:06. > :43:10.have representation all over the UK. I am an MP from a northern seat and
:43:10. > :43:14.we need to articulate be needs of people in West Yorkshire. It is
:43:14. > :43:20.important to give a powerful and loud and thoughtful voice to the
:43:20. > :43:24.Prime Minister, to the Chancellor, where they spend money. There are
:43:24. > :43:26.plenty of Conservative MPs in our region he would agree that the
:43:26. > :43:34.Government needs to start talking about things that matter to voters.
:43:34. > :43:39.Nine of them have majorities smaller than 5,000 votes. All of
:43:39. > :43:44.them wants to be more than one Parliament wonders. One of the
:43:44. > :43:50.problems that the Conservative Party has, according to polls, is
:43:50. > :43:56.that it looks to Southern, it looks like it is too much a party of the
:43:56. > :44:02.rich. Kris Hopkins is one of those MPs that really challenges that
:44:02. > :44:07.caricatured. He is a brilliant, energetic, persuasive Conservative.
:44:07. > :44:14.Many are saying that there in per it is crucial to David Cameron's
:44:14. > :44:20.long-term survival. In 2015, perspectives from West Yorkshire
:44:20. > :44:26.could affect the landscape of Westminster.
:44:26. > :44:32.In the South, 47% of people questioned said they were deferred
:44:32. > :44:38.-- vote Conservative. Compare that to the North, where the figure is
:44:38. > :44:43.just 33%. That really puts a lot of marginals won in 2010 under
:44:43. > :44:48.pressure. You have got a lot of work to do, Stuart Andrew. Yes, and
:44:48. > :44:52.we continue to do that work. I am very proud of the Yorkshire and
:44:52. > :44:57.Lincolnshire Conservative MPs who are working as a team to highlight
:44:57. > :45:03.the need for investment in the North and think about jobs in the
:45:03. > :45:08.North. We're trying to bridge the gap between North and South.
:45:08. > :45:13.Kris Hopkins right when he worries that your party looks to the South
:45:13. > :45:16.too much? I think sometimes we look like we are focusing on the South,
:45:16. > :45:25.but when you look at the evidence of what is happening, we are seeing
:45:25. > :45:28.a rebalancing of money and infrastructure in the North. HS2 is
:45:29. > :45:38.coming. These are big investment projects that we did not get in the
:45:39. > :45:39.
:45:39. > :45:44.last government. We still need to connect more with northern voters.
:45:44. > :45:48.HS2 will never come to Grimsby! This is a government of southern
:45:48. > :45:53.billionaire's, posh boys from public schools to know little about
:45:53. > :45:59.the North. They are not interested. We are bound to suffer more when
:45:59. > :46:06.you start cutting spending and firing public servants when we are
:46:06. > :46:14.dependent more on public spending and civil servants -- public
:46:14. > :46:17.servants in the North than in the South. Last week we had a bill that
:46:17. > :46:22.would transfer spending from the North to the southern counties and
:46:22. > :46:26.we are suffering in all sorts of ways. If you look at the make-up of
:46:26. > :46:30.more than Tory MPs, most of them come from working-class backgrounds,
:46:30. > :46:34.like myself. You will tell me next to that you keep the coal in the
:46:34. > :46:43.bath! War of the week's political news
:46:43. > :46:47.with our 62nd round it. -- 62nd round up.
:46:47. > :46:52.MPs from Yorkshire and Lincolnshire presented to Parliament petitions
:46:52. > :46:56.sound -- signed by thousands of people opposed to the caravan Tax.
:46:56. > :47:01.The Government is seriously considering calls to drop plans to
:47:01. > :47:05.put VAT on static caravans. Former Prime Minister Tony Blair
:47:05. > :47:08.has added his support to John Prescott's bid to become
:47:08. > :47:11.Commissioner in Humberside for police and crime.
:47:11. > :47:15.There is anger as a number of Yorkshire Schools miss out on
:47:15. > :47:19.funding for new buildings. This primary school was one of the
:47:19. > :47:27.unsuccessful contenders. I am furious! We have been waiting for
:47:27. > :47:32.10 years. Then there was this. Innovative ways of using
:47:32. > :47:37.credibility, which we would not have a we listened to be muttering
:47:37. > :47:44.in the it opposite me. Ed Balls said he was completely staggered at
:47:44. > :47:50.the Prime Minister's outburst. Austin Mitchell, what is the worst
:47:50. > :47:54.thing you have been called in Parliament? Not that. Here we have
:47:54. > :48:01.a government of Tories educated in public schools, born to rule, and
:48:01. > :48:07.they are making a shambles of it. They are incompetent and squalid.
:48:07. > :48:14.They never apologise. When David Cameron is criticised, he just
:48:14. > :48:19.launches into attacking poor old Ed Balls. Do these people have no
:48:19. > :48:25.taste or morality? They have no standards! This is the Tory party,
:48:25. > :48:31.not Labour. Ed Balls is a sensitive soul. Why does David Cameron get so
:48:31. > :48:38.wound -- wound up? One thing you do not see on there is the constant
:48:38. > :48:44.barracking from Ed Balls. He knows what he's doing. Prime Minister's
:48:44. > :48:48.Question Time is the pantomime of Parliament. Behaviour goes out of
:48:48. > :48:52.the window on both sides. If we are talking about apologies, we are
:48:53. > :48:59.still waiting for an apology from the Labour Party about the mess
:48:59. > :49:04.they have left us in! When will this Government learnt to talk
:49:04. > :49:08.sense and grow the economy? Tony Blair is supporting Lord Prescott
:49:08. > :49:15.to become police commissioner. Is that a hip -- a help or a
:49:15. > :49:19.hindrance? I don't know. I am amazed by it, frankly. Maybe he is
:49:19. > :49:28.worried neighbouring forces might launch weapons of mass destruction.
:49:28. > :49:34.Is he coming back into local politics? Thank you very much. You