:01:35. > :01:45.David Cameron tells us that more unemployed people in Yorkshire and
:01:45. > :01:55.Lincolnshire do -- should be doing the jobs that migrants to. The
:01:55. > :01:55.
:01:55. > :37:09.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2114 seconds
:37:10. > :37:15.You are watching a The Sunday Politics for Yorkshire and
:37:15. > :37:18.Lincolnshire. Coming up, David Cameron tells us more unemployed
:37:18. > :37:23.people in our part of the world should be doing the jobs that
:37:23. > :37:26.migrants currently do. We will be asking whether
:37:27. > :37:34.independent candidates are being priced out of the race to become
:37:34. > :37:37.police commissioners. Let's meet our guests, Rachel Reeves, Labour's
:37:37. > :37:43.Shadow Chief Secretary to the Secretary and the MP for Leeds West.
:37:43. > :37:47.Martin Vickers is the Conservative MP for Cleethorpes. Martin Vickers,
:37:47. > :37:51.your conference is getting under way later today. What you say this
:37:51. > :37:56.is the most difficult conference you have faced for many a year?
:37:56. > :37:59.have heard commentators say that in many years. There are always
:37:59. > :38:03.challengers when you are in government. We all know the
:38:03. > :38:08.difficulties of round-the-world, not just in the UK. It is tough and
:38:08. > :38:12.the governor taking difficult decisions but I am reasonably
:38:12. > :38:17.confident that there will be some positive news coming out of the
:38:17. > :38:21.conference. Rachel Reeves, most commentators say that Labour have
:38:21. > :38:28.the political advantage but do you expect it so -- to take a double-
:38:28. > :38:32.digit lead into the next election? Poll leads don't mean as much as
:38:32. > :38:37.election results. We have had a good conference in Manchester last
:38:38. > :38:42.week, a superbug speech from Ed Miliband, setting out his vision
:38:42. > :38:46.for One nation, very different from the Conservative visually, dividing
:38:46. > :38:52.north and south, public and private sector, so we have had a good week
:38:52. > :38:54.but we are taking nothing for granted. The Prime Minister has
:38:54. > :38:58.told The Sunday Politics in Yorkshire and Lincolnshire but he
:38:58. > :39:02.wants to see more unemployed people doing the jobs that are currently
:39:02. > :39:07.done by migrant workers. David Cameron's comments come in a week
:39:07. > :39:10.when a report called for more to be done to deal with the impact of
:39:10. > :39:15.migration on the Lincolnshire town of Boston.
:39:15. > :39:20.This week's report on migration in Boston made 28 recommendations on
:39:20. > :39:28.how the town could better deal with a growing population. To drinking
:39:28. > :39:30.in the streets and just generally they are spoiling the town. You see
:39:30. > :39:36.the European people making a difference and they are bringing
:39:36. > :39:41.something to the town. Many feel the government could do more.
:39:41. > :39:45.Do you think there is an argument for more government help and -- on
:39:45. > :39:48.migration in places like Lincolnshire? There has been a
:39:48. > :39:51.long-standing tradition of people coming from places like Eastern
:39:52. > :39:58.Europe. But we have people being unemployed for long periods of time
:39:58. > :40:02.and what can we help to do them -- get them the training to do those
:40:02. > :40:06.sorts of jobs? I am in favour of having a country where we welcome
:40:06. > :40:11.people but it is ridiculous that we have so many people coming in when
:40:11. > :40:13.we have so many people at home unable to work. Many of your MPs in
:40:13. > :40:19.Yorkshire and Lincolnshire will argue that we can't fully control
:40:19. > :40:27.migration as long as we are part of the UK. Do you think it is time for
:40:27. > :40:33.that referendum? -- part of the European Union. We have put a cap
:40:33. > :40:37.on immigration from outside the European Union. The answer inside
:40:37. > :40:41.the European Union is to reform our welfare system. If we have a
:40:41. > :40:44.welfare system that encourages people to work instead of state-
:40:44. > :40:50.owned there will be more British people believe those jobs so less
:40:50. > :40:57.people will come here to do those jobs. We are a trading nation and
:40:57. > :41:04.we need those markets open. I think there will be opportunities for a
:41:04. > :41:07.fresh settlement with Europe or as the eurozone deepens its
:41:07. > :41:14.consolidation. The PM claims more jobs are being created in Yorkshire
:41:14. > :41:20.and Lincolnshire and talked of -- talked down discussions of a North-
:41:20. > :41:29.South divide. We have seen private sector jobs created at a difficult
:41:29. > :41:34.time for the economy. If you look at the decisions we are taking,
:41:34. > :41:37.electrified train lines are leading up to Yorkshire and we are
:41:37. > :41:42.investing in the North of England. You can see the government putting
:41:42. > :41:47.its money where its mouth is. But some say David Cameron still
:41:47. > :41:52.has a lot of work to do to convince voters he leads and Northern
:41:52. > :41:55.friendly party. Should be taken seriously when he
:41:55. > :42:02.says he wants to get more British people to do the jobs that migrants
:42:02. > :42:07.currently do? Yes, that would be desirable. I have been going around
:42:07. > :42:13.Jobcentres in my constituents -- constituency. They are doing a
:42:13. > :42:17.grand job getting youngsters into work. But I recognise that there
:42:17. > :42:22.are significant problems, particularly further south in the
:42:22. > :42:25.Boston area. Rachel Rees, Ed Miliband said in the past few days
:42:25. > :42:31.that Labour had underestimated people's concerns about immigration
:42:31. > :42:34.in the past. Of what lessons has your party learnt? He said this
:42:34. > :42:38.week and he has said previously that we should not have opened the
:42:38. > :42:42.borders so quickly to some eastern European countries but something we
:42:42. > :42:46.could do now is ensure that employment standards are properly
:42:46. > :42:52.enforced. Many migrant workers are not paid the minimum wage, many
:42:52. > :42:56.don't get the employment standards that British workers get. If we end
:42:56. > :43:01.forced those rules, there would not be the same incentives for some
:43:01. > :43:10.firms to hire workers from Eastern Europe and beyond. Four we also
:43:10. > :43:16.need to make sure that no employment agencies are allowed to
:43:16. > :43:20.howff foreign workers on their books. The main reason that one in
:43:20. > :43:22.five young people are out-of-work is that the economy is back in
:43:22. > :43:26.recession and the most important thing the government could do to
:43:26. > :43:30.get people back to work is to have a policy and a plan for jobs and
:43:30. > :43:34.growth to get the economy moving. That is what we are lacking and
:43:34. > :43:38.that is why unemployment has gone up under this government. Of do you
:43:38. > :43:42.think a plan for jobs and growth is lacking? Definitely not. You only
:43:42. > :43:46.have to look at the initiatives the government has taken in my
:43:46. > :43:50.constituency and the immediate area. We have had the Humber Bridge toll
:43:50. > :43:56.reduction, which was highlighted earlier this week how that has been
:43:56. > :44:00.a great boost to the economy. We have two enterprise zones in my
:44:00. > :44:06.constituency. We have the regional growth funds coming in. With
:44:06. > :44:10.respect, none of it is working. The economy is in the longest double-
:44:10. > :44:14.dip recession since the Second World War, unemployment in
:44:14. > :44:18.Yorkshire continues to rise and one-in-five of young people are out
:44:18. > :44:22.of work. The government clearly do not have that plans for jobs and
:44:22. > :44:26.growth. You can say it is all about Europe and the problems there but
:44:26. > :44:31.apart from Italy we are the only other major industrialised economy
:44:31. > :44:34.that has gone back into recession. The government have to take some
:44:34. > :44:38.responsibility and until they come up with a proper plan to get people
:44:38. > :44:42.back to work we will continue to see the economy flat lining and too
:44:42. > :44:46.many people out of work. The government will end up Byron Moore
:44:46. > :44:49.because if you have more people claiming benefits and fewer
:44:49. > :44:53.businesses succeeding you have to borrow more, at that is why the
:44:53. > :45:00.deficit is increasing. A do you think your party is too fixated on
:45:00. > :45:04.Europe? Most definitely not. It is a big issue on the streets. I have
:45:04. > :45:10.always been a Euro-sceptic, I voted this time last year for having an
:45:10. > :45:13.end out a referendum. I would like to see the government put forward a
:45:13. > :45:19.clear referendum -- clear timetable for a referendum. I don't think the
:45:19. > :45:23.British people have had a chance to vote for it. I think they have
:45:23. > :45:26.noted the comments at the Labour conference this week opposing a
:45:26. > :45:33.referendum. People want a referendum on the European Union,
:45:33. > :45:38.don't they? I think what most people want in our region is more
:45:38. > :45:43.jobs. That is the absolute priority right now, especially when we have
:45:43. > :45:48.so many young people out of work. That is the number one thing the
:45:48. > :45:54.government should be doing. There might be a case in the future for a
:45:54. > :45:58.referendum if there are further treaty changes but at the moment
:45:58. > :46:03.what the government should focus on is getting the economy out of
:46:03. > :46:09.recession, getting the economy moving and reducing the deficit.
:46:09. > :46:12.let's move on to another big talking point. You have 12 days
:46:12. > :46:17.left if you fancy joining the race to change the way crime is tackled
:46:17. > :46:22.in your area. However, there are claims today but the police and
:46:22. > :46:26.crime commissioner elections next month are skewed in favour of
:46:26. > :46:30.candidates standing for the main political parties. At the job comes
:46:30. > :46:33.with a �75,000 a year salary in most places but one independent
:46:33. > :46:42.candidate has already dropped out because she says she can't afford
:46:42. > :46:50.to stand. The idea of Police Commissioner's
:46:50. > :46:55.perhaps takes a bit more from US TV spot -- shows rather than our old
:46:55. > :46:58.classics. It is the biggest change in our police regeneration and it
:46:58. > :47:04.comes with a big salary but rather than a job interview we will be
:47:04. > :47:08.picking who get said. Will we get the best person added -- and is it
:47:08. > :47:13.fair on those standing from outside mainstream politics? If you don't
:47:13. > :47:19.have the backing of the party that is prepared to put up by money, you
:47:19. > :47:24.really start with the big stumbling block. For an independent to get
:47:24. > :47:27.started, they have to spend a lot of money. The government encouraged
:47:27. > :47:35.non-party candidates to put themselves forward but they have
:47:35. > :47:40.created an obstacle course for them. A every candidate has to stump up
:47:40. > :47:45.�5,000 as a deposit, 10 times what parliamentary candidates have to
:47:45. > :47:51.pay. The government had said there will be no Friell -- No three
:47:51. > :47:56.campaigning and activists can't rely on an army of activists. -- No
:47:56. > :47:59.three campaigning. Party candidates have the backing. At the
:47:59. > :48:05.independence are really on the Rhone and if they want to knock on
:48:05. > :48:13.all of these doors there will be some sore knuckles. -- the
:48:13. > :48:18.Independents are really on their own. The first hurdle for this
:48:18. > :48:23.candidate is whether people even know about the election.
:48:23. > :48:28.How have you heard about it? really. A were for people paid,
:48:28. > :48:36.they will have to combine big budget conditions like -- with
:48:36. > :48:45.everyday crime. -- whoever people pick. We don't have F -- hundreds
:48:45. > :48:53.of activists who can knock on doors. The independence have to raid the
:48:54. > :48:57.back of the sofa, don't they? -- independents. Yes, the political
:48:58. > :49:02.party can does have a massive advantage over the Independents.
:49:02. > :49:09.May have been might be a shaking hands but one candidate from South
:49:09. > :49:14.Yorkshire will be staying at home. -- Mervyn. She says she can't
:49:14. > :49:17.afford it. Our I don't want to be a whinger because at the end of the
:49:17. > :49:21.day political parties are there because people support them and
:49:21. > :49:27.believe in them but if this really is about being accountable then I
:49:27. > :49:30.think it was a mistake to set the bar so high financially. We mustn't
:49:30. > :49:35.forget that non-party and independent candidates are trying
:49:35. > :49:39.to work out to -- to reach out to as many as 1 million voters and the
:49:39. > :49:44.government have made it very difficult for them to do that. At a
:49:44. > :49:52.Home Office says leaflets for everybody would cost over �30
:49:53. > :50:01.million. -- the Home Office. This election might not be as action-
:50:01. > :50:03.packed as Z-Cars but there is work to be done making people actually
:50:03. > :50:08.vote. You can find details of the
:50:08. > :50:16.candidates standing in your part of the world on the BBC politics
:50:16. > :50:20.website. Nominations close on a October 19th. At the government
:50:21. > :50:29.said it wanted strong, independent standards standing in the selection,
:50:29. > :50:31.but do you feel they are being priced out? -- this election.
:50:31. > :50:37.certainly in Humberside and Lincolnshire Independents are
:50:37. > :50:41.coming forward. You don't want too many runners and riders. If you are
:50:41. > :50:44.person of substance you will get out there and find one or two
:50:44. > :50:51.backers. The idea that the local Conservative Party in Cleethorpes
:50:51. > :50:55.and elsewhere are supported by at which businesses is a nonsense. We
:50:55. > :51:00.have a few hundred individuals who are members paying their �20 a year.
:51:00. > :51:10.That is how we finance operations and it is a challenge. You're don't
:51:10. > :51:13.
:51:13. > :51:15.think it is a rich man's game? -- you don't. They definitely not.
:51:15. > :51:21.Labour are putting the full force of their machine behind their
:51:21. > :51:23.candidates. Do you think that is to the detriment of other candidates?
:51:23. > :51:27.It will be cold and wet and most people don't know where these
:51:27. > :51:31.elections are taking place. That is a shame because it is an important
:51:31. > :51:35.job and we need to make sure that turnout is as high as possible so
:51:35. > :51:41.that whoever gets the job has the confidence of the people they are
:51:41. > :51:48.supposed to serve. The government are not having the Freepost leaflet
:51:48. > :51:52.that makes it very hard for independent candidates. If the
:51:52. > :51:58.government wants to make this work, they have to make sure that
:51:58. > :52:00.independent candidates have that chance to get a message across to
:52:00. > :52:10.voters. Or so they need to make sure that everybody knows about
:52:10. > :52:14.these elections. -- or Si they need. A cold, wet, rainy-day in November
:52:14. > :52:22.is not the right time. Do you think that was a mistake, not allowing
:52:22. > :52:26.free mail? Not really. I except the fact that it is even more
:52:26. > :52:32.challenging for an independent but it is hard enough from -- a big
:52:32. > :52:39.party. There are et -- alternative metals -- methods, websites and the
:52:39. > :52:44.likes. Out on the streets on Cleethorpes I found quite a
:52:44. > :52:50.significant awareness of the elections that are taking place.
:52:50. > :52:56.we will see what happens on November 15th, if -- but I think
:52:56. > :53:00.turn up will be very low. Electoral Reform Society has
:53:00. > :53:05.predicted it could be the lowest turnout ever. How do you enthuse
:53:05. > :53:09.Labour voters to come out and vote? I am really pleased in West
:53:09. > :53:17.Yorkshire, the Labour candidate is getting out and about. He has been
:53:17. > :53:21.to mind constituency -- my constituency and he is coming back
:53:21. > :53:26.to do more campaigning. When people meet him and talk about his vision
:53:26. > :53:30.for the police in West Yorkshire, people say, I am going to come out
:53:30. > :53:35.and vote for you. But the reality is, when we knock on doors, people
:53:35. > :53:38.say, I had no idea that these elections were taking place.
:53:38. > :53:43.Without the Freepost leaflet, without the Government getting
:53:43. > :53:46.behind these elections in the way they should, I fear that the
:53:47. > :53:51.Electoral Reform Society will be right and turn up will be very low.
:53:51. > :53:57.Do you think it could be the lowest turnout in history? It will not be
:53:57. > :54:00.a massive turnout. We don't have more than 25 % or 30 % in many
:54:00. > :54:05.local council elections but certainly in Humberside the fact
:54:05. > :54:11.that we have a high-profile candidate in John Prescott has
:54:11. > :54:17.lifted the profile in our area and I am reasonably confident, it we
:54:17. > :54:24.are working hard and our candidate is doing a grand job and I don't
:54:24. > :54:28.think it will be as bad as the doomsayers claim. We will see
:54:28. > :54:38.plenty more on those elections in the coming weeks.
:54:38. > :54:39.
:54:39. > :54:43.Now the political news in our part of the world in 60 seconds.
:54:43. > :54:48.Police Commissioner candidates from across England and Wales descended
:54:48. > :54:53.on Downing Street to demand a better financial deal for Wirral
:54:53. > :54:57.forces. They were led by the Lincolnshire based independent
:54:57. > :55:01.David balls. It is the lowest funded force in the entire country
:55:01. > :55:05.but it crime rates are not the lowest. See South Yorkshire is
:55:05. > :55:11.facing the closure of four fire stations and with more cuts coming
:55:11. > :55:16.next year the chief fire officer says it could mean 150 job losses
:55:16. > :55:22.and closure of seven more stations. The use cuts will reduce the
:55:22. > :55:29.resources we can provide and that will extend the time taken faster
:55:29. > :55:31.or Rod -- to ride at an incident. - - these cuts. Were asked
:55:31. > :55:37.Yorkshire's Chief Constable Sir Norman Bettison will reside --
:55:37. > :55:43.retire early. -- West Yorkshire. He is the subject of an end -- an
:55:43. > :55:46.official investigation regarding his role in the Hillsborough
:55:46. > :55:51.disaster. To Hillsborough families have
:55:51. > :55:55.welcomed his decision to retire. What do you say? Be it is the right
:55:55. > :56:00.thing to do. After the relic -- the revelations we have seen over by
:56:00. > :56:04.last couple of weeks about Hillsborough and what happened to
:56:04. > :56:10.and his role in what happened, it is the right thing for him to stand
:56:10. > :56:16.down and to have new leadership in West Yorkshire, especially at a
:56:16. > :56:20.time when police forces are facing cuts. We need leadership at the top
:56:20. > :56:24.and I don't think Sir Norman can provide that in this environment.
:56:24. > :56:29.To do you think he should have waited until after the IPCC
:56:29. > :56:33.investigation? To be honest, the remarks that he made straight after
:56:33. > :56:40.the Hillsborough role of -- Hill's report came out showed that he
:56:40. > :56:45.could not stay in his job. -- Hillsborough or report. Despite the
:56:45. > :56:49.inquiry totally vindicating be fans, he repeated some of the allegations
:56:49. > :56:53.about what happened. That was not the right response and I don't
:56:53. > :56:57.think he could stay in his job so I am pleased he has made his decision
:56:57. > :57:01.and we have a chance for a fresh start in West Yorkshire Police
:57:01. > :57:06.because we need that leadership and families across West Yorkshire want
:57:06. > :57:10.to make sure that our police force is as well lead as it can be,
:57:10. > :57:15.especially when the force is being cut. Martin because, we heard there
:57:15. > :57:19.about rural police force funding and fire station closures. --
:57:19. > :57:24.Martin Vickers. Do you think the public are getting used to
:57:24. > :57:28.austerity? No nobody wants austerity and nobody wants it to
:57:28. > :57:32.continue one moment longer than necessary but people do recognise
:57:32. > :57:37.that times are difficult and they are prepared to give this
:57:37. > :57:42.government, indeed any government battling against these conditions,
:57:42. > :57:45.time to put things right. governor needs time to put things
:57:45. > :57:49.right, Rachel Reeves. Them government said they would
:57:49. > :57:55.eliminate the deficit during the course of this Parliament. David
:57:55. > :57:58.Cameron suggested it would be 2020. With the deficit rising, the date
:57:58. > :58:03.for the end of austerity stretches further and further into the future
:58:03. > :58:07.and a governor only have themselves to blame. Labour and many
:58:07. > :58:11.economists warned that if you try to cut too far and too fast you end
:58:11. > :58:16.up choking off economic growth. With more businesses failing and
:58:16. > :58:19.more people out of work, you have to borrow more, not less. That is
:58:19. > :58:23.what the government is facing so we have a triple whammy of high
:58:23. > :58:28.unemployment, double-dip recession and higher borrowing. It is not
:58:28. > :58:35.what the people of Yorkshire and Lincolnshire voted for. It is time
:58:35. > :58:39.for them to change course and put in a strategy for growth in jobs.
:58:39. > :58:42.Our after Ed Miliband's performance in Manchester last week, do you
:58:42. > :58:47.feared that people might start seeing him as an alternative Prime
:58:48. > :58:51.Minister? He clearly got a good write-up from that political
:58:51. > :58:59.commentators. I am not sure that he said anything that will hit home
:58:59. > :59:07.with the average household in Cleethorpes. He has come late to
:59:07. > :59:12.One nation policies, that has been touring policy for 150 years, since
:59:12. > :59:16.this rave -- since Disraeli was espousing them. People recognise
:59:16. > :59:20.that the world situation has worsened even since the election
:59:20. > :59:25.and they know that the government are doing their best and they are
:59:25. > :59:30.prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt. Ed Miller and's
:59:30. > :59:34.personal well-lit -- ratings are still not good, are they? -- Ed
:59:34. > :59:39.Miliband. Politicians are not the most popular of people whatever and
:59:39. > :59:42.eight -- party they are from. The government are considering regional
:59:42. > :59:46.paid it would cut the salaries of public sector workers in the north.
:59:46. > :59:50.Many people are saying that David Cameron has divided his country
:59:50. > :59:56.rather than bringing us to get there. We are or have to see what