:01:40. > :01:44.Stay with us are forward a programme in Yorkshire,
:01:44. > :01:54.Lincolnshire. We have got a highest-profile race by a police
:01:54. > :01:54.
:01:54. > :09:07.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 432 seconds
:09:07. > :09:09.The shadow of Hillsborough is over The shadow of Hillsborough is over
:09:09. > :09:14.the South Yorkshire Police because the new commissioner will inherit a
:09:14. > :09:19.force that it has been revealed up to 200 current officers are being
:09:19. > :09:23.investigated for the part they played on duty a 23 years ago. Then
:09:23. > :09:28.there is the issue of the sexual grooming and exploitation of young
:09:28. > :09:34.girls. MPs are saying there must be a crackdown. What will the new
:09:34. > :09:40.commissioners say? North Yorkshire has 1500 officers, a budget of 128
:09:40. > :09:44.million. The new salary, �70,000 the year. North Yorkshire is the
:09:44. > :09:48.smallest force with the biggest Geographic area to cover. It is
:09:48. > :09:53.stuffed with small communities, event the headquarters is in a tiny
:09:53. > :09:56.village outside Northallerton. The challenge for the commissioner is
:09:56. > :10:02.how can they make sure the Thin Blue Line is not stretched to
:10:02. > :10:08.breaking? Lincolnshire Police has 1150 officers and a budget of �110
:10:08. > :10:11.million and a salary of �65,000 per year. All eyes have been on
:10:11. > :10:15.Lincolnshire because the force recently signed the biggest deal of
:10:15. > :10:18.its kind in England for a private contractor to provide many of the
:10:18. > :10:22.services that in the past would have been done by uniformed
:10:23. > :10:32.officers, a controversial move, one that the new police and Crown
:10:33. > :10:33.
:10:33. > :40:00.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 432 seconds
:40:00. > :40:10.commissioner would be right in the This is this Sunday politics for
:40:10. > :40:10.
:40:10. > :40:14.Yorkshire and Lincolnshire. We are alive today. -- live today. We are
:40:14. > :40:18.overlooking the Humber river. We are talking to the candidates for
:40:18. > :40:28.the police and crime Commissioner for Humberside. We have six of the
:40:28. > :40:35.seven candidates. They are Godfrey Bloom for the UK independent party
:40:35. > :40:39.to, we have Paul Davison, a former police officer, we have near Ayr,
:40:39. > :40:47.an independent candidate in Scunthorpe, a former soldier. --
:40:47. > :40:57.Neil air. We have Mathew Grove, Conservative. John Prescott is the
:40:57. > :41:07.Labour Party candidate. Walter Sweeney is a former Conservative MP
:41:07. > :41:12.
:41:13. > :41:19.is standing as an independent. I am also a solicitor. He is also a
:41:19. > :41:22.solicitor. We could not be joined by Simone Butterworth today. The
:41:22. > :41:30.first question is how they would tackle anti-social behaviour, a big
:41:30. > :41:36.talking point as we find out in Scunthorpe.
:41:36. > :41:41.I have lived on this estate in Scunthorpe for 20 years. Over the
:41:41. > :41:47.years we have had as an attacks, muggings, break-ins, burglars,
:41:47. > :41:54.everything. -- are some attacks. I am a supervisor on the payback
:41:54. > :41:59.system in Scunthorpe. We do fly- tipping removing, we do gardening
:41:59. > :42:06.for the pensioners, we do into decorating for pensioners. On this
:42:06. > :42:11.estate I would like to see more police officers. We have some PCSOs,
:42:11. > :42:20.or we don't see them very often. My messages, we need more police
:42:20. > :42:23.officers on this estate during the day and at night and as well.
:42:23. > :42:31.-- night-time. John Prescott, are you in a
:42:31. > :42:36.position to deliver more police presence? Yes, this is happening in
:42:36. > :42:42.the community. I sat in the Cabinet and heard all of these arguments
:42:42. > :42:50.when we brought it on the toss on the causes of crime issues. -- on
:42:50. > :42:53.the toff on the causes of crime. This lady once more and more
:42:53. > :42:56.activity in bringing the police in, so we need to bring the Safety
:42:56. > :43:02.Partnership and the police, both are important, but they are being
:43:02. > :43:07.cut back by the Government, so there will be a resulting increase
:43:07. > :43:10.in anti-social activity. Mathew Grove, how can you promise more
:43:10. > :43:16.police on the beach when cutting the police but it? It is about
:43:16. > :43:21.freeing up the police officers to target the important issues. It is
:43:21. > :43:25.no good having warranted police officers with powers to question,
:43:25. > :43:30.detain and arrest when they are stuck with paperwork in the station.
:43:30. > :43:38.We need to get them on the street, highly visible, working with their
:43:38. > :43:42.communities, with people that are working hard to cut crime. We
:43:42. > :43:45.should be working in partnership with the communities and the
:43:45. > :43:49.officers need to be guided by the priority of these communities and
:43:49. > :43:54.this will be the role of the police and Crown commissionaire. The
:43:54. > :43:59.public are the eyes and ears and we need to target to where they have
:43:59. > :44:06.the most benefit. Godfrey Bloom, to use some belies with people like
:44:06. > :44:14.this since gone far? Best do you sympathise with people? Are yes,
:44:14. > :44:18.hated eight TV crew. -- I took a TV crew down to these kinds of places.
:44:19. > :44:22.This is not just a police problem, this is a society breakdown, a
:44:22. > :44:26.breakdown in the welfare and education system. There are many
:44:27. > :44:31.issues we are dealing with and I would argue that a lot of the
:44:31. > :44:35.problems are of very limited numbers of people causing these
:44:35. > :44:38.problems and there is a revolving door prison policy. Until we get
:44:38. > :44:43.hold of these bad people on the estates and take them out and
:44:43. > :44:48.locked them away, things will not improve. It is not just a police
:44:48. > :44:52.matter, this is a social matter. I would do my best to get more police
:44:52. > :44:58.on these estates, but that will be difficult with falling budgets and
:44:58. > :45:05.police numbers. This is a social problem, not just a police problem.
:45:05. > :45:09.Paul Davidson, how do you get more officers on the beat? In it is a
:45:09. > :45:13.bigger problem getting more officers there. I understand these
:45:13. > :45:18.problems and more visible police reduces the fear of crime and makes
:45:18. > :45:25.people more confident. But you have to solve the problem. The problems
:45:25. > :45:29.are burglary and all sorts of anti- social behaviour. The neighbourhood
:45:29. > :45:37.people, the neighbourhood inspector responsible for this area should be
:45:37. > :45:40.doing more to get to grips with this problem. We need to look at
:45:40. > :45:43.the victims. In the East Riding where I was the commander, I got
:45:43. > :45:48.anti-social behaviour down to the lowest in the country and reduced
:45:48. > :45:54.the number of repeat victims. You need to look at it closely and see
:45:54. > :45:58.the problems they are getting. You need to hold the chief constable to
:45:58. > :46:03.account for raising the ambitions of the Easts Humberside police to
:46:03. > :46:10.solve the problem. The need to solve this problem and make it go
:46:11. > :46:16.away. He would be able to contact me as the commissioner directly if
:46:16. > :46:24.he is not getting the right answers. What Alleyne said resonates with a
:46:24. > :46:29.lot of people in the estates. They simply want more police officers.
:46:29. > :46:34.They would rather have police officers patrolling Ben PCSOs. It
:46:34. > :46:39.is a very, very specific issue to that area. That is what would
:46:39. > :46:44.assist them. A Walter Sweeney, how do you get more visible police
:46:44. > :46:48.presence on the streets? He easier said than done with finite
:46:48. > :46:53.resources and central government restricting police funding. There
:46:53. > :46:58.are two alternatives, you make the police force more efficient so that
:46:58. > :47:02.there are more officers and PCSOs on the beat, but that is a
:47:02. > :47:06.simplistic solutions. Given the extent of the cuts we are facing,
:47:07. > :47:10.this is the issue. Lord Prescott said so he has given a pledge to
:47:10. > :47:16.maintain the number of police officers, how do we pay for it
:47:16. > :47:22.this? To recruit 10 police officers costs nearly half a million pounds.
:47:22. > :47:25.Let me answer that, I am quoted directly if there, I am using the
:47:25. > :47:30.arguments by the Independent constabulary that says we are
:47:30. > :47:35.cutting the rate here as twice the rate than any other part of the
:47:35. > :47:41.country. The crime is not going down. I am using his arguments and
:47:41. > :47:50.saying to the police, a Fewcott 440, why not go for the last deep cuts
:47:50. > :47:54.and keep more her police and PCSOs on delivery. -- if you cut 440.
:47:54. > :48:02.Crime as a stable, it has reduced in the last year in a climate work
:48:02. > :48:06.we are trying to improve efficiency. -- Klein is not stable. -- crime.
:48:06. > :48:10.If it does not come from the public pocket, we have to borrow it, so it
:48:10. > :48:16.comes from the pockets of our children. It is not about global
:48:16. > :48:19.numbers. The question is, are we cutting too far and too fast? The
:48:19. > :48:23.reason that Humberside is cutting twice the rate of the national
:48:23. > :48:28.average is that police officers have a low proportion of time on
:48:28. > :48:36.the street. We are trying to transferred the time spent in the
:48:36. > :48:40.back Koreans to civilian workers. - - spent in the back rooms. There is
:48:41. > :48:44.a lot of talking about cuts in policing and that impacts on the
:48:44. > :48:48.public's fear. We should not be telling the public about this, we
:48:48. > :48:54.should be getting more from the same and we do this by looking at
:48:54. > :49:00.what a police officer does on any given date. There is not just the
:49:01. > :49:04.people on the beach, there are the air police, the traffic police, the
:49:04. > :49:09.sniffer dogs, they are not just sitting there looking at e-mails,
:49:09. > :49:14.we need to get them on the street and use them in a better way.
:49:14. > :49:19.are going to talk about the huge amount of police resources put into
:49:19. > :49:26.dealing with traffic incidents, especially with police cameras
:49:26. > :49:30.where opinion is always divided. My name is Tony Hodson. Three years
:49:30. > :49:36.ago I lost my daughter in a tragic road accident through speeding and
:49:36. > :49:40.dangerous driving. I knew that she was popular and had lots of friends.
:49:40. > :49:45.She would help at the one that had any problems and always made time
:49:45. > :49:51.for them. Speed cameras would have may be deterred the speeding. I am
:49:51. > :49:55.not saying it would never have happened, but by having the speed
:49:55. > :49:58.cameras, this would not have happened specifically to make. I
:49:58. > :50:03.would like to know what they will do about speed cameras and about
:50:03. > :50:10.how long it takes to get a decision and made end-all of the red tape.
:50:10. > :50:14.Maybe they can simplify it. My priority is my safety and the
:50:14. > :50:19.safety of my children and I am sure everyone would agree it is money
:50:19. > :50:26.well spent. To ensure as much as you possibly can, the saved your
:50:26. > :50:36.people on the roads and pedestrians. -- the safety of people.
:50:36. > :50:43.You're standing and 90 speed camera at the sheer, Mr Godfry, what he
:50:43. > :50:48.think of that? -- you're standing against speed cameras. This person
:50:48. > :50:53.was killed by somebody driving dangerously. I drove here this
:50:53. > :50:58.morning in foggy conditions at 50 mph because visibility was 60 yards.
:50:58. > :51:03.I was being overtaken by cars without their lights driving at 70
:51:03. > :51:09.mph which was dangerous but legal. Speed is a subjective thing. Speed
:51:09. > :51:13.itself does not kill, bad driving kales. We are being fobbed off bed
:51:13. > :51:17.in exchange for a proper traffic police, we have been given cameras
:51:17. > :51:22.on sticks that do not work and not just blackspots which was the
:51:22. > :51:28.original idea, but you draw in the money. This is all about making
:51:28. > :51:32.money. There is evidence to show that it does work. We're missing
:51:32. > :51:39.the point, because this is a tremendously tragic thing to happen,
:51:39. > :51:45.and the issue is, we treat traffic differently to other crimes, for
:51:45. > :51:48.some reason. A few get into a car which is two tons of metal and you
:51:48. > :51:54.decide to drive recklessly knowing the consequences of your actions,
:51:54. > :52:02.that is a serious crime. I have dealt with crimes before where I
:52:02. > :52:08.investigated somebody for manslaughter or a murder, he need
:52:08. > :52:16.to make that are higher. We need to educate on speeding, dangerous
:52:16. > :52:20.driving. It is not separate from criminality. if you wanted to kill
:52:20. > :52:26.someone, you do not have to shoot them, you can run them over. If
:52:26. > :52:35.you're driving big chunks of metal. I appreciate dangerous driving
:52:35. > :52:41.needs to be dealt worth. -- dealt with. In relation to speed cameras,
:52:41. > :52:45.we are using them to might elsewhere than in blackspots. They
:52:45. > :52:49.are being seen by the public as a milk cow, and it is damaging the
:52:49. > :52:53.relationship of the public. They need to keep law and order and to
:52:53. > :52:57.maintain law and order with the help and co-operation of the public.
:52:57. > :53:03.Every time a member of the public feels hard done by as a result of a
:53:03. > :53:08.speed camera, his confidence in the police is eroded. That needs to be
:53:08. > :53:16.taken into account when looking at where to put to Amara, speed
:53:16. > :53:20.cameras. -- were to put a camera. Speed cameras have seen road safety
:53:20. > :53:24.figures dropped to a low level. We are stopping off the people being
:53:24. > :53:30.killed and injured on the roads, but they are a one-hit pony and not
:53:30. > :53:34.a replacement for a well trained traffic officer policing of the
:53:34. > :53:38.roadways. There is a place for safety cameras, but there is an
:53:38. > :53:44.issue that they may be cash cows. I hope to have a public review of
:53:44. > :53:48.this, if I am elected and if we can find cameras in locations where
:53:48. > :53:54.they cannot therefore genuine safety reasons, then reposition
:53:54. > :53:58.them to places where people are being killed. Are you against or in
:53:58. > :54:02.support of speed cameras? I looked at this as a Minister and there
:54:02. > :54:08.were thousands of people being seriously injured and killed and it
:54:09. > :54:15.is down to 25,000 now because of safety cameras. Children it is down
:54:15. > :54:20.from 6,000 deaths to 4,000 deaths. The Government has now started
:54:20. > :54:25.removing the money from that, �100 million from the local parties that
:54:25. > :54:28.cannot continue to combine safety policy. It has cost a lot of lives,
:54:28. > :54:32.and to hear Godfrey Bloom saying about if it is intellectually
:54:32. > :54:38.acceptable, this is terrible. Thousands of lives are being saved
:54:38. > :54:43.by that when a ship. This is from your government that bankrupted the
:54:43. > :54:46.country! There cash cows and should have been had to blackspots and
:54:46. > :54:54.that is the long and short of good! They do not anything much about
:54:55. > :54:59.road safety, it is about raising awareness. The RAC and the
:54:59. > :55:06.Automobile Association agreed. They get the profit from the speed
:55:06. > :55:16.cameras and support the retraining. Very briefly, 10 seconds on the
:55:16. > :55:20.
:55:20. > :55:24.best. That is all you think about, the bankruptcy! The public should
:55:24. > :55:28.decide what they want to do, instead Davos and our opinion, the
:55:28. > :55:32.whole point of collecting these police and Crown Commissioners is
:55:32. > :55:40.having the people tell us what they want us to do. -- crime
:55:40. > :55:46.commissioners. Let's get the views of the Humberside Police Federation
:55:46. > :55:51.next. I am the chairman of Humberside
:55:51. > :55:56.Police Federation I represent about 1800 police officers across by
:55:57. > :56:01.Humberside Police in the region. We have got some fundamental concerns
:56:02. > :56:06.around the concept of the police and crime commissionaire. It is too
:56:06. > :56:10.important to get wrong, so it is a huge job to take on board.
:56:10. > :56:15.Especially with the cuts and the challenges that the police face,
:56:15. > :56:20.the agenda has to be achieving this in an area of diminishing resources.
:56:20. > :56:25.We maintain that the bedrock of policing has got to be the office
:56:25. > :56:31.of constable, not just about privatisation. We have seen with
:56:31. > :56:38.the G4S tobacco Howard can go horribly wrong at this summer. --
:56:38. > :56:42.de Bath got how it can go wrong. We need to look at the responses of
:56:42. > :56:46.what is needed, not about getting more results in the next election.
:56:46. > :56:53.We are concentrating on Humberside today, but you can find out more
:56:53. > :56:56.about the candidates in your area by going to this BBC website. Neil,
:56:56. > :57:01.you're slogan is the politics out of policing, do you agree with the
:57:01. > :57:05.Federation? Yes, it is simple, we need to keep their numbers at what
:57:05. > :57:09.they are at the moment, as close as possible, because what the police
:57:09. > :57:16.is doing is affected. Crime is coming down and I know people do
:57:16. > :57:19.not like statistics, but that is the truth. Mathew Grove, the police
:57:19. > :57:23.are issuing complains about how they will maintain frontline
:57:23. > :57:28.support when their budget is being cut? Yes, this is a time of
:57:28. > :57:33.significant change for the police, but their fears are not grounded.
:57:33. > :57:38.We see crime being reduced and that is in a period of difficult
:57:38. > :57:43.Financial Times, in a period when we are driving efficiency and have
:57:43. > :57:46.seen a small reduction in police numbers, crime has also fallen.
:57:47. > :57:51.That is because we are concentrating on the important
:57:51. > :57:55.crime issues and targeting them to actually fighting crime and
:57:55. > :57:59.reducing the bureaucracy they have to deal with to get the mad to the
:57:59. > :58:04.police station and use those warranted police powers to stop,
:58:04. > :58:08.question, search and arrest and keep the streets are safe. We need
:58:08. > :58:14.to stop judging public services by the money going into them and judge
:58:14. > :58:18.them by their results. The results out that crime has dropped 43 %.
:58:18. > :58:22.You cannot claim one year's figures is changing it, 15,000 are going
:58:22. > :58:27.out of the police. There is a correlation, not 100 %, between the
:58:27. > :58:31.level of crime, the combination of the community and are working to
:58:31. > :58:40.reduce crime. But it's what we have seen, they want to take away the
:58:40. > :58:44.resources. The independent sector is same crime will go up. God free
:58:44. > :58:49.broom -- Godfrey Bloom Kristina Nevrkla due stand? We saw the
:58:49. > :58:53.Labour Party get us into debt and an absolute shambles, the
:58:53. > :58:57.Conservative Party at no better, they are giving no weight foreign
:58:57. > :59:01.aid, we do not know where it goes, it means we would no need any
:59:02. > :59:11.police cuts at all. We need to elect someone that knows how to run
:59:11. > :59:15.money. Lighter company?! -- like Tyre Company?! I have done many
:59:15. > :59:19.years and the police service, and and they are being cut, pensions
:59:19. > :59:24.are being cut, they are being attacked, I do not understand why
:59:24. > :59:31.the Government is cutting so much policing budgets. The budget is
:59:31. > :59:35.tiny compared to many other budgets. I resonate with what he is saying,
:59:35. > :59:39.but pick the right person, look at what we are saying. Two things are
:59:39. > :59:43.important, you need to ask we will allow it, do you trust them and are
:59:43. > :59:48.they competent? We have to bring this debate to a