:01:23. > :01:26.Coming up on this week's programme: Is it time for a limit on the
:01:27. > :01:36.number of turbines on the Yorkshire landscape? The energy minister has
:01:37. > :01:37.
:01:37. > :35:59.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2062 seconds
:35:59. > :36:04.angered the green lobby by calling Good morning. Coming up: If we're
:36:04. > :36:09.asking whether there is a haze over the government's energy policy.
:36:09. > :36:15.Well a minister's comments halt the expansion of new wind farms?
:36:15. > :36:19.And will be looking at the race to become South Yorkshire's police and
:36:19. > :36:29.crime commissioner. First, let's ensued is our guest, Julien's met.
:36:29. > :36:30.
:36:30. > :36:36.He is the Conservative MP for Skipton and Ripon. -- Julian Smith.
:36:36. > :36:41.And at Diana Johnson. Julian, do you think there should
:36:41. > :36:44.be a limit to the number of wind farms? Well, it is in important
:36:44. > :36:48.part of our energy strategy, but the government quite rightly
:36:48. > :36:52.reduced the subsidy on wind and myself and other MPs representing
:36:52. > :36:56.the most beautiful parts of our country are lobbying for further
:36:57. > :37:01.cuts, because the way that some of this activity has gone on, I think,
:37:01. > :37:08.needs to be looked at carefully. Diana Johnson, do you sympathise
:37:08. > :37:12.with those who don't one when term by its -- who don't want wind
:37:12. > :37:16.turbines to be built near their homes? Welcome this week we have
:37:16. > :37:19.had different views from different politicians and I think the
:37:19. > :37:26.government needs to get their policy straight as to what they
:37:26. > :37:29.actually mean by having an Alison it -- an energy policy. They need a
:37:29. > :37:36.consistent, long-term energy policy that is thought through. We don't
:37:36. > :37:39.have that at the moment. The green energy lobby has accused the
:37:39. > :37:43.Government of putting out mixed messages following comments made by
:37:43. > :37:45.the Energy Minister and Lincolnshire MP John Hayes. Mr
:37:45. > :37:55.Hayes claimed we'd had enough of wind turbines peppering the
:37:55. > :38:06.
:38:06. > :38:11.countryside and it was time to Enough is enough, those were the
:38:11. > :38:15.words used by John Hayes in an outspoken newspaper attack on the
:38:15. > :38:20.onshore wind industry. His comments have been welcomed by campaigners
:38:20. > :38:26.in Lincolnshire who are trying to stop new wind farms being built in
:38:26. > :38:31.County. There needs to be a clear guide from government. In
:38:31. > :38:35.Lincolnshire, wind farms are a major threat to the landscape. They
:38:35. > :38:40.are predominant structures and with the numbers coming through they
:38:40. > :38:44.will change the character of the landscape. Many Conservative MPs
:38:44. > :38:50.believe there should be a strict limit on the number of these things
:38:50. > :38:57.springing up across our countryside. But some of John Hayes's coalition
:38:57. > :39:01.colleagues take a different view. The Liberal Democrat Energy
:39:01. > :39:06.Secretary Ed Davey MP was forced into a hasty clarification of
:39:06. > :39:12.government policy. The policy has not changed. So there will still be
:39:12. > :39:15.lots of investment in onshore wind farms. The argument came on the day
:39:15. > :39:19.that the former Tory deputy Prime Minister Lord Heseltine unveiled
:39:19. > :39:23.his report on the economy. He called on the government to adopt a
:39:23. > :39:29.consistent and clear energy policy in order areas such as at the
:39:30. > :39:34.Humber region to take advantage of the offshore wind industry.
:39:34. > :39:39.Business is a momentum game. Unita have positive momentum if you are
:39:40. > :39:45.going to achieve growth. Having senior ministers coming up with
:39:45. > :39:51.frankly quite bizarre comments just act as a big break on our industry.
:39:51. > :40:01.But when Mr Hague is returned to the comments on Thursday, he
:40:01. > :40:03.
:40:03. > :40:06.appeared to adopt a less hostile tone. -- Mr Hayes. It is absolutely
:40:06. > :40:13.right that we should have renewables as part of that mix. It
:40:13. > :40:19.helps us to meet our emission targets. And it is also good fit --
:40:19. > :40:24.good for consumers because it guarantees are energy security.
:40:24. > :40:33.they ended a week of differing opinions on the future of energy in
:40:33. > :40:37.our green and pleasant land. Julian Smith, can you clarify the
:40:37. > :40:42.government's the point? Do they want to see more wind turbines or
:40:42. > :40:50.fewer wind turbines as the Tories want? I as I said at the start,
:40:50. > :40:55.onshore wind is part of a set of commitments, but there is a call
:40:55. > :41:03.for evidence on the subsidies and the ways that that sector is
:41:03. > :41:07.working. People are worried, communities across the region are
:41:07. > :41:14.your viewers are looking at this programme on are very worried about
:41:14. > :41:18.the way wind farm companies are behaving. Diana Johnson, is it good
:41:18. > :41:24.to have a variety of the points at the heart of government? Of course
:41:24. > :41:30.it isn't. We are keen to get these companies into a city around a
:41:30. > :41:34.offshore wind energy, and this uncertainty at the heart of
:41:35. > :41:39.government, the contradictions, it's very unhelpful in an area
:41:39. > :41:42.which is desperate for jobs and investment for the future. I think
:41:42. > :41:48.it is just a shambles and the government have to get a grip and
:41:48. > :41:53.be clear about what their energy policy actually is. John Hayes was
:41:53. > :41:57.just making up policy on the hoof, wasn't he? No not at all. There are
:41:57. > :42:00.thousands of pounds spent on subsidies to wind developers. And
:42:00. > :42:08.it is right that that money is analysed and we look at whether it
:42:08. > :42:12.is being spent efficiently. We are absolutely right to look at this.
:42:12. > :42:22.Unfortunately, Labour don't really see the value of analysing in Dep
:42:22. > :42:26.
:42:26. > :42:36.the use of taxpayers' money. -- in depth. Wind energy, Denner, that
:42:36. > :42:37.
:42:37. > :42:41.does need a massive amount of public subsidy. -- Diana. Onshore
:42:41. > :42:44.wind energy is actually one of the cheapest ways. Offshore is much
:42:44. > :42:49.more expensive, but with Investment going in, hopefully that price will
:42:50. > :42:54.go down under time. So it is worth the investment. The new energy
:42:54. > :42:58.sources you have to invest early on, but in the longer term you get
:42:58. > :43:06.clean energy and secure energy, because unless we are able to
:43:06. > :43:15.manufacture RN energy in this country, we rely on other countries.
:43:15. > :43:23.-- our own energy. A we need an energy bill, that has been delayed.
:43:23. > :43:26.It is on its way. I'm sure you welcome the reason is that
:43:26. > :43:34.investments in the nuclear sector. You can see the pattern of this
:43:34. > :43:38.government. What I can see a pattern of his shambolic, to be
:43:38. > :43:42.honest. What we need is a certainty a rant and renewables. Your
:43:42. > :43:52.government said it would be the greenest government above. If that
:43:52. > :43:54.
:43:54. > :43:59.is the case, the investment has to take place. Even Lord Heseltine is
:43:59. > :44:05.saying you do not have a consistent energy policy. The word is
:44:05. > :44:11.consistency, isn't it? Well, we have a green deal, a Green
:44:11. > :44:15.Investment Bank. Labour did not do that. We are investing across a
:44:15. > :44:21.range of sectors, not just onshore wind which is bothering communities
:44:21. > :44:24.across this region. Now onto the elections for police
:44:24. > :44:28.and crime commissioners, which take place a week on Thursday. Nowhere
:44:28. > :44:31.is policing under the spotlight more than South Yorkshire. In the
:44:31. > :44:34.latest of our street corner debates, James Vincent will be speaking to
:44:34. > :44:38.the candidates at Hillsborough - the scene of the 1989 disaster,
:44:38. > :44:41.which has caused so much controversy in recent weeks. But
:44:41. > :44:51.first James finds out why a former home secretary believes there could
:44:51. > :44:53.
:44:53. > :44:58.be tough times ahead for whoever One person is about to take charge
:44:58. > :45:02.of South Yorkshire police while force is under unprecedented focus.
:45:02. > :45:07.Hillsborough at may have been over 20 years ago, but handling of
:45:08. > :45:11.police statements at the time could now mean fresh inquiries. And there
:45:11. > :45:17.are also new questions about how the force is dealing with crimes
:45:18. > :45:22.like grooming in Rotherham. What surprises me is the fact that we
:45:22. > :45:27.have had so few prosecutions by South Yorkshire of those who are
:45:27. > :45:31.the perpetrators of grooming. Why is that? Be a recent poll for the
:45:31. > :45:35.BBC suggested that over three- quarters of people in South
:45:35. > :45:45.Yorkshire Bank their police force's reputation had been damaged by what
:45:45. > :45:45.
:45:45. > :45:50.was uncovered in the recent So, there is some rebuilding to be
:45:50. > :45:54.done. But one former Home Secretary says the police have already earned
:45:54. > :46:01.the but -- the public's Trust back. A I think public confidence in my
:46:01. > :46:05.own forced to go long time to restore after 1989. And I am very
:46:05. > :46:10.keen that the transparency we have today and the contact the we have
:46:10. > :46:20.been building trust and confidence in community enables us to take a
:46:20. > :46:25.step forwards, not backwards. The context has changed considerably.
:46:25. > :46:28.Trust is always a big issue during elections, but this is the first
:46:28. > :46:34.time and we've gone to a ballot box to choose how our police force is
:46:34. > :46:38.run. David Blunkett says a new police commissioner must insist on
:46:38. > :46:43.absolute transparency. But he is not convinced the idea of
:46:43. > :46:46.installing a politician above a policeman will work. I think we are
:46:46. > :46:50.building in the potential for friction between an individual who
:46:50. > :46:56.says, I've been elected, and a chief constable who says, I'm in
:46:56. > :47:00.charge. That could lead in some circumstances not only did infusion
:47:00. > :47:04.in the ranks and police officers not knowing who is directing and
:47:04. > :47:10.you is really in charge, but confusion would the public as to
:47:10. > :47:13.who they turn to. I think that would be a mistake. David Blunkett
:47:13. > :47:17.insisting on absolute transparency there. How would the English
:47:17. > :47:21.Democrats do that if you are elected? I think the best thing is
:47:21. > :47:28.to have a regular meetings in each of the areas, specifically the big
:47:28. > :47:33.towns and the local communities. What about the UKIP party? Were
:47:33. > :47:37.needed investigation, truth and prosecutions. Let's not forget,
:47:37. > :47:44.Hillsborough was 23 years ago. What we need to do is get out there and
:47:44. > :47:50.make it clear that the fantastic job that police are doing is
:47:50. > :47:55.happening. We need transparency and honesty, honesty from candidates.
:47:55. > :48:02.We don't need promises they can't be kept, we need promises based on
:48:02. > :48:06.skills and experiences. Or do that the Lib Dems, how will they restore
:48:06. > :48:10.trust? The most important thing is that whoever is police and crime
:48:10. > :48:14.commissioner lifts the shadow of Hillsborough. We are in that shadow
:48:14. > :48:19.now. If the person who is the police and crime commissioner is
:48:19. > :48:24.not trusted fully by the public, if the person is somebody who has got
:48:24. > :48:31.things that they have done in the past, that they are unable to win
:48:31. > :48:35.the trust, then the process will fail. You are the Labour candidate,
:48:35. > :48:40.had you restore that trust? We need a full period of co-operation and
:48:40. > :48:45.transparency with the public. I intend to engage with the Chief
:48:45. > :48:49.Constable, wholesome to account, but involve the public as well. We
:48:49. > :48:52.also need a period of reconciliation as well between the
:48:53. > :48:56.communities of Hillsborough families and South Yorkshire
:48:56. > :49:06.families in terms of addressing those issues of confidence and
:49:06. > :49:07.
:49:07. > :49:12.trust in a police force. The police authority was here before, and that
:49:12. > :49:17.was not necessarily transparent? Well, we are all saying similar
:49:17. > :49:20.things about Hillsborough. The big thing in my experience is Rotherham
:49:20. > :49:30.and the trialled crooning. I don't want to make political points out
:49:30. > :49:42.
:49:42. > :49:48.of this. -- and the child grooming. I think we need answers on this.
:49:48. > :49:51.That is just a cheap political point-scoring. You don't just based
:49:51. > :49:57.your opinions on what you are reading in the newspapers. I lead
:49:57. > :50:01.to a children's services for five years from 2005-2010. In 2008, it
:50:01. > :50:05.was rated the best children's service in the country. We launched
:50:05. > :50:13.the biggest investigation into grinning in that period which led
:50:13. > :50:22.to five convictions. Clearly, more needs to be done. This sort of
:50:22. > :50:31.crime can clearly continue. It's not Haydon, it's just because it is
:50:31. > :50:35.politically and racially sensitive. -- not hidden. People are dancer if
:50:35. > :50:42.they want more of the same up. If they want the same, they can vote
:50:42. > :50:46.the same, if they want it changed, they can vote for UKIP. It's
:50:46. > :50:51.questions are being asked of one of the candidates during the campaign
:50:51. > :50:58.before they have even been elected, how can the election be one with so
:50:58. > :51:05.many questions? Ideal with sex offenders on a daily basis and
:51:05. > :51:10.victims. These things affect people's lives for ever. If the
:51:10. > :51:13.confidence isn't there then we have to restore that confidence. That
:51:13. > :51:21.means a new chief constable who is keen to get on with it and he is
:51:22. > :51:25.saying the same things. Will people trust an ex-policeman to bring his
:51:25. > :51:33.fellow colleagues to justice? I don't think that's possible.
:51:33. > :51:37.think that is a personal insult to my integrity of. Will he be able to
:51:37. > :51:43.work against your old colleagues? Of course, if it needs it, but it
:51:43. > :51:48.is a case of working with them as well. It's not as policing, it is
:51:48. > :51:54.crime as well. All four candidates have been pointing the questions
:51:54. > :51:58.are you. Why are, this is about track records. I have 25 years of
:51:58. > :52:01.working on behalf of communities in South Yorkshire. I was a magistrate,
:52:01. > :52:05.listening to evidence before jumping to conclusions. Clearly
:52:05. > :52:10.that is not what other candidates are doing, which brings their
:52:10. > :52:15.integrity into question today. That 25 years of experience in the
:52:15. > :52:19.workplace, as a council member, on the police authority, working as a
:52:19. > :52:22.councillor in Rotherham, insuring the public's voices inside
:52:22. > :52:27.Yorkshire are heard, I am proud of that record and I will continue it
:52:27. > :52:31.if I'm elected. James Vincent refereeing that for
:52:31. > :52:41.us in Sheffield. And you can find a full list of candidates in your
:52:41. > :52:43.
:52:43. > :52:47.part of the world on our website. Diana Johnson, those comments from
:52:47. > :52:52.David Blunkett about the conflict between the Commission and the
:52:52. > :52:59.chief constable - what do you make of that? A I think David as a
:52:59. > :53:02.former Home Secretary, makes a very strong point. One of the issues and
:53:02. > :53:12.we thought about was whether we could apply let this in new scheme
:53:12. > :53:16.
:53:16. > :53:22.at to see how it works in practice. -- could reply let this new scheme.
:53:22. > :53:26.-- could we pilot. But we are worried about how this will work
:53:27. > :53:30.and we know in London, where we have Boris Johnson committee is
:53:30. > :53:36.already on his third Met Commissioner now. So there are
:53:36. > :53:45.genuine issues to address. The is there a danger police could end up
:53:45. > :53:49.serving two Masters? I think there will be a positive tension. This
:53:49. > :53:54.proposal will actually hold much more closely to account for chief
:53:54. > :53:58.constables that have demonstrated a bin a number of forces across a
:53:59. > :54:02.region that they do need closer scrutiny.
:54:02. > :54:12.Let's get some more of the week's political news in our part of the
:54:12. > :54:15.
:54:15. > :54:20.world. Len Tingle has our round-up in 60 seconds.
:54:20. > :54:25.Denis MacShane resigned on Friday. The Commons standards committee had
:54:25. > :54:28.wanted to resent that might suspend him for 12 months, saying he had
:54:28. > :54:33.reclaimed thousands in expenses for work he carried out abroad which
:54:33. > :54:37.was not part of his Parliamentary duties.
:54:37. > :54:44.Yorkshire and Lincolnshire Tory MPs were at the heart of this week's
:54:44. > :54:49.rebellion over Europe. More controversy over the future of
:54:49. > :54:52.Yorkshire's only specialist child heart surgery in Leeds. Health
:54:52. > :54:57.watchdog set now uncovered inefficiencies at a rival centre in
:54:57. > :55:03.Bristol earmarked to stay open. This raises new concerns and means
:55:03. > :55:07.that the decisions are now dangerously flawed. And standby for
:55:07. > :55:12.more winter downpours. The government is said to have failed
:55:12. > :55:18.yet again to broker a deal on guaranteeing affordable Courier --
:55:18. > :55:20.cover for flood hit areas. Thanks, Len, and just to add - in
:55:20. > :55:23.the light of Denis Macshane's resignation, the Conservative MP
:55:23. > :55:26.for Shipley, Philip Davies, has urged police to revisit the
:55:26. > :55:34.allegations against Mr MacShane in the light of the detailed evidence
:55:34. > :55:40.in the commissioner's "astonishing" report. Diana Johnson, Denis
:55:40. > :55:44.MacShane has gone. How damaging is this? It perpetuates the idea that
:55:44. > :55:54.MPs are on the bid will? The is were very serious findings from the
:55:54. > :55:55.
:55:56. > :56:00.House of Commons. -- are on the fiddle. Obviously there will be a
:56:00. > :56:04.by-election, but it does bring the subject of expenses back into
:56:04. > :56:10.people's minds. But we have a much more transparent system, which is
:56:10. > :56:17.published regularly. So we can ensure that MPs are spending
:56:17. > :56:24.expenses on things they need to be paid for legitimately. A by-
:56:24. > :56:28.election in Rotherham, shook back to we fancy that Tory's chances?
:56:28. > :56:38.Good riddance, and I think we absolutely need to restore trust in
:56:38. > :56:44.
:56:44. > :56:47.politics. I want to talk about it you -- about the EU vote. Do you
:56:47. > :56:51.think the people in your constituency are happy to spend
:56:51. > :56:58.more in Brussels? No, which is why a think we need to reduce the money
:56:58. > :57:00.being spent there. Diana Johnson, was there a whiff of opportunism
:57:00. > :57:07.about this new-found Labour euroscepticism? Now, this was about
:57:07. > :57:14.making sure that every other part of government is having to take a
:57:14. > :57:19.cut, at the EU budget is also taking a cut. Jillian actually
:57:19. > :57:25.voted for an increase to the Budget because it was to give inflation
:57:25. > :57:30.across the board to be EU. So it was a bit more money, not less.
:57:30. > :57:34.damaging his this defeat for David Cameron by his own party? I don't
:57:34. > :57:38.believe it is damaging at all. The Prime Minister is working really
:57:38. > :57:41.hard to read calibrate Britain's relationship with Europe. He has
:57:41. > :57:46.been looking at a cost of Europe, the relationship and what powers we
:57:46. > :57:52.can actually bring back from Europe. I think ultimately there will be
:57:52. > :57:57.some questions for the people of Britain because the population is
:57:57. > :58:05.becoming more sceptical and we need to look about how the relationship
:58:05. > :58:09.pitch -- should continue in the future. And we be asking what the
:58:09. > :58:13.people of Yorkshire Bank? Are think there will be some sort of
:58:13. > :58:17.referendum soon. To Denner Johnson, would you like to see a referendum?
:58:17. > :58:21.I certainly think Europe is higher on the agenda with voters. But
:58:21. > :58:24.because of what happened in that vote this week, I think the Prime
:58:25. > :58:28.Minister has been damaged and his ability to go to Europe and
:58:28. > :58:34.negotiate is severely compromised. When he can't even take his own
:58:34. > :58:37.party with him, that Prime Minister it is in difficulty. We've run out