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:01:23. > :01:26.Coming up on this week's programme: Is it time for a limit on the

:01:27. > :01:36.number of turbines on the Yorkshire landscape? The energy minister has

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:01:37. > :35:59.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2062 seconds

:35:59. > :36:04.angered the green lobby by calling Good morning. Coming up: If we're

:36:04. > :36:09.asking whether there is a haze over the government's energy policy.

:36:09. > :36:15.Well a minister's comments halt the expansion of new wind farms?

:36:15. > :36:19.And will be looking at the race to become South Yorkshire's police and

:36:19. > :36:29.crime commissioner. First, let's ensued is our guest, Julien's met.

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:36:30. > :36:36.He is the Conservative MP for Skipton and Ripon. -- Julian Smith.

:36:36. > :36:41.And at Diana Johnson. Julian, do you think there should

:36:41. > :36:44.be a limit to the number of wind farms? Well, it is in important

:36:44. > :36:48.part of our energy strategy, but the government quite rightly

:36:48. > :36:52.reduced the subsidy on wind and myself and other MPs representing

:36:52. > :36:56.the most beautiful parts of our country are lobbying for further

:36:57. > :37:01.cuts, because the way that some of this activity has gone on, I think,

:37:01. > :37:08.needs to be looked at carefully. Diana Johnson, do you sympathise

:37:08. > :37:12.with those who don't one when term by its -- who don't want wind

:37:12. > :37:16.turbines to be built near their homes? Welcome this week we have

:37:16. > :37:19.had different views from different politicians and I think the

:37:19. > :37:26.government needs to get their policy straight as to what they

:37:26. > :37:29.actually mean by having an Alison it -- an energy policy. They need a

:37:29. > :37:36.consistent, long-term energy policy that is thought through. We don't

:37:36. > :37:39.have that at the moment. The green energy lobby has accused the

:37:39. > :37:43.Government of putting out mixed messages following comments made by

:37:43. > :37:45.the Energy Minister and Lincolnshire MP John Hayes. Mr

:37:45. > :37:55.Hayes claimed we'd had enough of wind turbines peppering the

:37:55. > :38:06.

:38:06. > :38:11.countryside and it was time to Enough is enough, those were the

:38:11. > :38:15.words used by John Hayes in an outspoken newspaper attack on the

:38:15. > :38:20.onshore wind industry. His comments have been welcomed by campaigners

:38:20. > :38:26.in Lincolnshire who are trying to stop new wind farms being built in

:38:26. > :38:31.County. There needs to be a clear guide from government. In

:38:31. > :38:35.Lincolnshire, wind farms are a major threat to the landscape. They

:38:35. > :38:40.are predominant structures and with the numbers coming through they

:38:40. > :38:44.will change the character of the landscape. Many Conservative MPs

:38:44. > :38:50.believe there should be a strict limit on the number of these things

:38:50. > :38:57.springing up across our countryside. But some of John Hayes's coalition

:38:57. > :39:01.colleagues take a different view. The Liberal Democrat Energy

:39:01. > :39:06.Secretary Ed Davey MP was forced into a hasty clarification of

:39:06. > :39:12.government policy. The policy has not changed. So there will still be

:39:12. > :39:15.lots of investment in onshore wind farms. The argument came on the day

:39:15. > :39:19.that the former Tory deputy Prime Minister Lord Heseltine unveiled

:39:19. > :39:23.his report on the economy. He called on the government to adopt a

:39:23. > :39:29.consistent and clear energy policy in order areas such as at the

:39:30. > :39:34.Humber region to take advantage of the offshore wind industry.

:39:34. > :39:39.Business is a momentum game. Unita have positive momentum if you are

:39:40. > :39:45.going to achieve growth. Having senior ministers coming up with

:39:45. > :39:51.frankly quite bizarre comments just act as a big break on our industry.

:39:51. > :40:01.But when Mr Hague is returned to the comments on Thursday, he

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:40:03. > :40:06.appeared to adopt a less hostile tone. -- Mr Hayes. It is absolutely

:40:06. > :40:13.right that we should have renewables as part of that mix. It

:40:13. > :40:19.helps us to meet our emission targets. And it is also good fit --

:40:19. > :40:24.good for consumers because it guarantees are energy security.

:40:24. > :40:33.they ended a week of differing opinions on the future of energy in

:40:33. > :40:37.our green and pleasant land. Julian Smith, can you clarify the

:40:37. > :40:42.government's the point? Do they want to see more wind turbines or

:40:42. > :40:50.fewer wind turbines as the Tories want? I as I said at the start,

:40:50. > :40:55.onshore wind is part of a set of commitments, but there is a call

:40:55. > :41:03.for evidence on the subsidies and the ways that that sector is

:41:03. > :41:07.working. People are worried, communities across the region are

:41:07. > :41:14.your viewers are looking at this programme on are very worried about

:41:14. > :41:18.the way wind farm companies are behaving. Diana Johnson, is it good

:41:18. > :41:24.to have a variety of the points at the heart of government? Of course

:41:24. > :41:30.it isn't. We are keen to get these companies into a city around a

:41:30. > :41:34.offshore wind energy, and this uncertainty at the heart of

:41:35. > :41:39.government, the contradictions, it's very unhelpful in an area

:41:39. > :41:42.which is desperate for jobs and investment for the future. I think

:41:42. > :41:48.it is just a shambles and the government have to get a grip and

:41:48. > :41:53.be clear about what their energy policy actually is. John Hayes was

:41:53. > :41:57.just making up policy on the hoof, wasn't he? No not at all. There are

:41:57. > :42:00.thousands of pounds spent on subsidies to wind developers. And

:42:00. > :42:08.it is right that that money is analysed and we look at whether it

:42:08. > :42:12.is being spent efficiently. We are absolutely right to look at this.

:42:12. > :42:22.Unfortunately, Labour don't really see the value of analysing in Dep

:42:22. > :42:26.

:42:26. > :42:36.the use of taxpayers' money. -- in depth. Wind energy, Denner, that

:42:36. > :42:37.

:42:37. > :42:41.does need a massive amount of public subsidy. -- Diana. Onshore

:42:41. > :42:44.wind energy is actually one of the cheapest ways. Offshore is much

:42:44. > :42:49.more expensive, but with Investment going in, hopefully that price will

:42:50. > :42:54.go down under time. So it is worth the investment. The new energy

:42:54. > :42:58.sources you have to invest early on, but in the longer term you get

:42:58. > :43:06.clean energy and secure energy, because unless we are able to

:43:06. > :43:15.manufacture RN energy in this country, we rely on other countries.

:43:15. > :43:23.-- our own energy. A we need an energy bill, that has been delayed.

:43:23. > :43:26.It is on its way. I'm sure you welcome the reason is that

:43:26. > :43:34.investments in the nuclear sector. You can see the pattern of this

:43:34. > :43:38.government. What I can see a pattern of his shambolic, to be

:43:38. > :43:42.honest. What we need is a certainty a rant and renewables. Your

:43:42. > :43:52.government said it would be the greenest government above. If that

:43:52. > :43:54.

:43:54. > :43:59.is the case, the investment has to take place. Even Lord Heseltine is

:43:59. > :44:05.saying you do not have a consistent energy policy. The word is

:44:05. > :44:11.consistency, isn't it? Well, we have a green deal, a Green

:44:11. > :44:15.Investment Bank. Labour did not do that. We are investing across a

:44:15. > :44:21.range of sectors, not just onshore wind which is bothering communities

:44:21. > :44:24.across this region. Now onto the elections for police

:44:24. > :44:28.and crime commissioners, which take place a week on Thursday. Nowhere

:44:28. > :44:31.is policing under the spotlight more than South Yorkshire. In the

:44:31. > :44:34.latest of our street corner debates, James Vincent will be speaking to

:44:34. > :44:38.the candidates at Hillsborough - the scene of the 1989 disaster,

:44:38. > :44:41.which has caused so much controversy in recent weeks. But

:44:41. > :44:51.first James finds out why a former home secretary believes there could

:44:51. > :44:53.

:44:53. > :44:58.be tough times ahead for whoever One person is about to take charge

:44:58. > :45:02.of South Yorkshire police while force is under unprecedented focus.

:45:02. > :45:07.Hillsborough at may have been over 20 years ago, but handling of

:45:08. > :45:11.police statements at the time could now mean fresh inquiries. And there

:45:11. > :45:17.are also new questions about how the force is dealing with crimes

:45:18. > :45:22.like grooming in Rotherham. What surprises me is the fact that we

:45:22. > :45:27.have had so few prosecutions by South Yorkshire of those who are

:45:27. > :45:31.the perpetrators of grooming. Why is that? Be a recent poll for the

:45:31. > :45:35.BBC suggested that over three- quarters of people in South

:45:35. > :45:45.Yorkshire Bank their police force's reputation had been damaged by what

:45:45. > :45:45.

:45:45. > :45:50.was uncovered in the recent So, there is some rebuilding to be

:45:50. > :45:54.done. But one former Home Secretary says the police have already earned

:45:54. > :46:01.the but -- the public's Trust back. A I think public confidence in my

:46:01. > :46:05.own forced to go long time to restore after 1989. And I am very

:46:05. > :46:10.keen that the transparency we have today and the contact the we have

:46:10. > :46:20.been building trust and confidence in community enables us to take a

:46:20. > :46:25.step forwards, not backwards. The context has changed considerably.

:46:25. > :46:28.Trust is always a big issue during elections, but this is the first

:46:28. > :46:34.time and we've gone to a ballot box to choose how our police force is

:46:34. > :46:38.run. David Blunkett says a new police commissioner must insist on

:46:38. > :46:43.absolute transparency. But he is not convinced the idea of

:46:43. > :46:46.installing a politician above a policeman will work. I think we are

:46:46. > :46:50.building in the potential for friction between an individual who

:46:50. > :46:56.says, I've been elected, and a chief constable who says, I'm in

:46:56. > :47:00.charge. That could lead in some circumstances not only did infusion

:47:00. > :47:04.in the ranks and police officers not knowing who is directing and

:47:04. > :47:10.you is really in charge, but confusion would the public as to

:47:10. > :47:13.who they turn to. I think that would be a mistake. David Blunkett

:47:13. > :47:17.insisting on absolute transparency there. How would the English

:47:17. > :47:21.Democrats do that if you are elected? I think the best thing is

:47:21. > :47:28.to have a regular meetings in each of the areas, specifically the big

:47:28. > :47:33.towns and the local communities. What about the UKIP party? Were

:47:33. > :47:37.needed investigation, truth and prosecutions. Let's not forget,

:47:37. > :47:44.Hillsborough was 23 years ago. What we need to do is get out there and

:47:44. > :47:50.make it clear that the fantastic job that police are doing is

:47:50. > :47:55.happening. We need transparency and honesty, honesty from candidates.

:47:55. > :48:02.We don't need promises they can't be kept, we need promises based on

:48:02. > :48:06.skills and experiences. Or do that the Lib Dems, how will they restore

:48:06. > :48:10.trust? The most important thing is that whoever is police and crime

:48:10. > :48:14.commissioner lifts the shadow of Hillsborough. We are in that shadow

:48:14. > :48:19.now. If the person who is the police and crime commissioner is

:48:19. > :48:24.not trusted fully by the public, if the person is somebody who has got

:48:24. > :48:31.things that they have done in the past, that they are unable to win

:48:31. > :48:35.the trust, then the process will fail. You are the Labour candidate,

:48:35. > :48:40.had you restore that trust? We need a full period of co-operation and

:48:40. > :48:45.transparency with the public. I intend to engage with the Chief

:48:45. > :48:49.Constable, wholesome to account, but involve the public as well. We

:48:49. > :48:52.also need a period of reconciliation as well between the

:48:53. > :48:56.communities of Hillsborough families and South Yorkshire

:48:56. > :49:06.families in terms of addressing those issues of confidence and

:49:06. > :49:07.

:49:07. > :49:12.trust in a police force. The police authority was here before, and that

:49:12. > :49:17.was not necessarily transparent? Well, we are all saying similar

:49:17. > :49:20.things about Hillsborough. The big thing in my experience is Rotherham

:49:20. > :49:30.and the trialled crooning. I don't want to make political points out

:49:30. > :49:42.

:49:42. > :49:48.of this. -- and the child grooming. I think we need answers on this.

:49:48. > :49:51.That is just a cheap political point-scoring. You don't just based

:49:51. > :49:57.your opinions on what you are reading in the newspapers. I lead

:49:57. > :50:01.to a children's services for five years from 2005-2010. In 2008, it

:50:01. > :50:05.was rated the best children's service in the country. We launched

:50:05. > :50:13.the biggest investigation into grinning in that period which led

:50:13. > :50:22.to five convictions. Clearly, more needs to be done. This sort of

:50:22. > :50:31.crime can clearly continue. It's not Haydon, it's just because it is

:50:31. > :50:35.politically and racially sensitive. -- not hidden. People are dancer if

:50:35. > :50:42.they want more of the same up. If they want the same, they can vote

:50:42. > :50:46.the same, if they want it changed, they can vote for UKIP. It's

:50:46. > :50:51.questions are being asked of one of the candidates during the campaign

:50:51. > :50:58.before they have even been elected, how can the election be one with so

:50:58. > :51:05.many questions? Ideal with sex offenders on a daily basis and

:51:05. > :51:10.victims. These things affect people's lives for ever. If the

:51:10. > :51:13.confidence isn't there then we have to restore that confidence. That

:51:13. > :51:21.means a new chief constable who is keen to get on with it and he is

:51:22. > :51:25.saying the same things. Will people trust an ex-policeman to bring his

:51:25. > :51:33.fellow colleagues to justice? I don't think that's possible.

:51:33. > :51:37.think that is a personal insult to my integrity of. Will he be able to

:51:37. > :51:43.work against your old colleagues? Of course, if it needs it, but it

:51:43. > :51:48.is a case of working with them as well. It's not as policing, it is

:51:48. > :51:54.crime as well. All four candidates have been pointing the questions

:51:54. > :51:58.are you. Why are, this is about track records. I have 25 years of

:51:58. > :52:01.working on behalf of communities in South Yorkshire. I was a magistrate,

:52:01. > :52:05.listening to evidence before jumping to conclusions. Clearly

:52:05. > :52:10.that is not what other candidates are doing, which brings their

:52:10. > :52:15.integrity into question today. That 25 years of experience in the

:52:15. > :52:19.workplace, as a council member, on the police authority, working as a

:52:19. > :52:22.councillor in Rotherham, insuring the public's voices inside

:52:22. > :52:27.Yorkshire are heard, I am proud of that record and I will continue it

:52:27. > :52:31.if I'm elected. James Vincent refereeing that for

:52:31. > :52:41.us in Sheffield. And you can find a full list of candidates in your

:52:41. > :52:43.

:52:43. > :52:47.part of the world on our website. Diana Johnson, those comments from

:52:47. > :52:52.David Blunkett about the conflict between the Commission and the

:52:52. > :52:59.chief constable - what do you make of that? A I think David as a

:52:59. > :53:02.former Home Secretary, makes a very strong point. One of the issues and

:53:02. > :53:12.we thought about was whether we could apply let this in new scheme

:53:12. > :53:16.

:53:16. > :53:22.at to see how it works in practice. -- could reply let this new scheme.

:53:22. > :53:26.-- could we pilot. But we are worried about how this will work

:53:27. > :53:30.and we know in London, where we have Boris Johnson committee is

:53:30. > :53:36.already on his third Met Commissioner now. So there are

:53:36. > :53:45.genuine issues to address. The is there a danger police could end up

:53:45. > :53:49.serving two Masters? I think there will be a positive tension. This

:53:49. > :53:54.proposal will actually hold much more closely to account for chief

:53:54. > :53:58.constables that have demonstrated a bin a number of forces across a

:53:59. > :54:02.region that they do need closer scrutiny.

:54:02. > :54:12.Let's get some more of the week's political news in our part of the

:54:12. > :54:15.

:54:15. > :54:20.world. Len Tingle has our round-up in 60 seconds.

:54:20. > :54:25.Denis MacShane resigned on Friday. The Commons standards committee had

:54:25. > :54:28.wanted to resent that might suspend him for 12 months, saying he had

:54:28. > :54:33.reclaimed thousands in expenses for work he carried out abroad which

:54:33. > :54:37.was not part of his Parliamentary duties.

:54:37. > :54:44.Yorkshire and Lincolnshire Tory MPs were at the heart of this week's

:54:44. > :54:49.rebellion over Europe. More controversy over the future of

:54:49. > :54:52.Yorkshire's only specialist child heart surgery in Leeds. Health

:54:52. > :54:57.watchdog set now uncovered inefficiencies at a rival centre in

:54:57. > :55:03.Bristol earmarked to stay open. This raises new concerns and means

:55:03. > :55:07.that the decisions are now dangerously flawed. And standby for

:55:07. > :55:12.more winter downpours. The government is said to have failed

:55:12. > :55:18.yet again to broker a deal on guaranteeing affordable Courier --

:55:18. > :55:20.cover for flood hit areas. Thanks, Len, and just to add - in

:55:20. > :55:23.the light of Denis Macshane's resignation, the Conservative MP

:55:23. > :55:26.for Shipley, Philip Davies, has urged police to revisit the

:55:26. > :55:34.allegations against Mr MacShane in the light of the detailed evidence

:55:34. > :55:40.in the commissioner's "astonishing" report. Diana Johnson, Denis

:55:40. > :55:44.MacShane has gone. How damaging is this? It perpetuates the idea that

:55:44. > :55:54.MPs are on the bid will? The is were very serious findings from the

:55:54. > :55:55.

:55:56. > :56:00.House of Commons. -- are on the fiddle. Obviously there will be a

:56:00. > :56:04.by-election, but it does bring the subject of expenses back into

:56:04. > :56:10.people's minds. But we have a much more transparent system, which is

:56:10. > :56:17.published regularly. So we can ensure that MPs are spending

:56:17. > :56:24.expenses on things they need to be paid for legitimately. A by-

:56:24. > :56:28.election in Rotherham, shook back to we fancy that Tory's chances?

:56:28. > :56:38.Good riddance, and I think we absolutely need to restore trust in

:56:38. > :56:44.

:56:44. > :56:47.politics. I want to talk about it you -- about the EU vote. Do you

:56:47. > :56:51.think the people in your constituency are happy to spend

:56:51. > :56:58.more in Brussels? No, which is why a think we need to reduce the money

:56:58. > :57:00.being spent there. Diana Johnson, was there a whiff of opportunism

:57:00. > :57:07.about this new-found Labour euroscepticism? Now, this was about

:57:07. > :57:14.making sure that every other part of government is having to take a

:57:14. > :57:19.cut, at the EU budget is also taking a cut. Jillian actually

:57:19. > :57:25.voted for an increase to the Budget because it was to give inflation

:57:25. > :57:30.across the board to be EU. So it was a bit more money, not less.

:57:30. > :57:34.damaging his this defeat for David Cameron by his own party? I don't

:57:34. > :57:38.believe it is damaging at all. The Prime Minister is working really

:57:38. > :57:41.hard to read calibrate Britain's relationship with Europe. He has

:57:41. > :57:46.been looking at a cost of Europe, the relationship and what powers we

:57:46. > :57:52.can actually bring back from Europe. I think ultimately there will be

:57:52. > :57:57.some questions for the people of Britain because the population is

:57:57. > :58:05.becoming more sceptical and we need to look about how the relationship

:58:05. > :58:09.pitch -- should continue in the future. And we be asking what the

:58:09. > :58:13.people of Yorkshire Bank? Are think there will be some sort of

:58:13. > :58:17.referendum soon. To Denner Johnson, would you like to see a referendum?

:58:17. > :58:21.I certainly think Europe is higher on the agenda with voters. But

:58:21. > :58:24.because of what happened in that vote this week, I think the Prime

:58:25. > :58:28.Minister has been damaged and his ability to go to Europe and

:58:28. > :58:34.negotiate is severely compromised. When he can't even take his own

:58:34. > :58:37.party with him, that Prime Minister it is in difficulty. We've run out