:01:31. > :01:34.On the Sunday Politics in Yorkshire and Lincolnshire:
:01:34. > :01:44.These seats will be filled as we will be speaking to all five of our
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:01:44. > :41:31.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2387 seconds
:41:31. > :41:36.police commissioners who won their Good morning. It coming up before
:41:36. > :41:42.12. All five of our newly elected Police and Crime Commissioners to
:41:42. > :41:46.join us live on the programme. As Lord Prescott is defeated, our
:41:46. > :41:52.elected crime fighters will be telling us how they hope to pack a
:41:52. > :41:58.punch in their new roles. But do we need individual commissioners for
:41:58. > :42:07.each fought area? We are calls for regional policing. -- we look at.
:42:07. > :42:12.So, here they are, the five elected Police and Crime Commissioners. We
:42:12. > :42:22.will hear from them in a moment. But first, a reminder of how they
:42:22. > :42:26.
:42:26. > :42:31.were elected. He is a 62nd round up. -- here it is our 62nd round up.
:42:31. > :42:36.Lord Prescott has not lost an election since the 1960s and would
:42:36. > :42:42.have won here, but after second preference votes were totted up, he
:42:42. > :42:46.was overtaken by Matthew Grove. In Lincolnshire, another upset with
:42:46. > :42:50.the our consultant and former Yorkshire Television presenter Alan
:42:50. > :42:55.Hardwick landing the job. A man who says he believes in plain speaking.
:42:55. > :43:05.In South Yorkshire, Shaun Right romped home with over 50 % of the
:43:05. > :43:05.
:43:05. > :43:12.vote without any need to count second preferences. In West
:43:12. > :43:16.Yorkshire, Labour was streets ahead, but it still took second preference
:43:16. > :43:21.votes to push Mark Burns-Williamson over the finishing line. Every MP
:43:21. > :43:29.Bar One is a conservative in North Yorkshire, and here, Julia Mulligan
:43:29. > :43:33.became commissioner. Let's get some of the negative aspects out of the
:43:33. > :43:38.way. Mark Burns-Williamson, you were elected in West Yorkshire with
:43:38. > :43:44.it cannot have just over 13 %. Does that give you a clear mandate to do
:43:44. > :43:48.the job? Over 200,000 people actually did vote, but let's be
:43:48. > :43:52.clear, the government deciding to have the elections in the middle of
:43:52. > :43:57.November and the fact that not allowing candidates to have any
:43:57. > :44:02.Freepost election literature had a big impact in the level of that
:44:02. > :44:08.turnout. Julia Mulligan, the Mail on Sunday reports that these
:44:08. > :44:11.elections have cost �14 per vote. Can you justify that to the people
:44:11. > :44:16.you represent? I think this is an important form and it gives people
:44:16. > :44:21.a chance to have the same local policing. That is vital and people
:44:21. > :44:25.do want that. When you explain this policy to them and what it means to
:44:25. > :44:29.them, they do actually respond quite well to read. We have got a
:44:29. > :44:35.big job to do to explain what this is about and demonstrate in reality
:44:35. > :44:39.what it means for local people. What about the voting system?
:44:39. > :44:46.Matthew Grove, had it been a straightforward pass the post
:44:46. > :44:53.system, John Prescott would have been sat way while now. -- way you
:44:53. > :44:57.right now. Was it a fair voting system? I think some people would
:44:57. > :45:03.have voted differently with their first preference if it had been a
:45:03. > :45:06.first-past-the-post system. The people decided. We had a very high
:45:06. > :45:11.turnout at nearly 20 %, so I think the people have spoken and we have
:45:11. > :45:16.a mandate. Sean right, out of the five commissioners here today, you
:45:16. > :45:21.have the toughest job in South Yorkshire. We have got to deal with
:45:21. > :45:25.historical questions about how the police behaved during the
:45:25. > :45:29.Hillsborough disaster, during the mining strike, more recent
:45:29. > :45:36.questions of grooming by criminal gangs. How are you going to restore
:45:36. > :45:44.the reputation of your force's this is at the top of my priority that -
:45:44. > :45:48.- of the force? This is at the top of my priority list. It is a real
:45:48. > :45:53.priority and we need to get to the bottom of a number of areas, not
:45:53. > :45:58.least doing it in a transparent way so that the public can once again
:45:58. > :46:05.be confident that their police service are acting on their behalf.
:46:05. > :46:14.I would like to support the Chief Constable were faring the Orgreave
:46:14. > :46:18.matter -- referring. I would very much like to support that. The
:46:18. > :46:23.other issue around Hillsborough, that is a big issue that will take
:46:23. > :46:27.quite some time to resolve. But it will be handled in a way that the
:46:28. > :46:31.public can see it is being done open and transparently. I'm keen to
:46:31. > :46:37.consider that not only those issues are dealt with properly, but also
:46:37. > :46:42.the public can see more policing on our streets. Only by the police
:46:42. > :46:47.doing a fantastic job that they are doing, that they can see that they
:46:47. > :46:50.are on their side, that will lead to trust in them from the public.
:46:50. > :46:55.South Yorkshire police do a fantastic job for the public of
:46:55. > :46:59.South Yorkshire. It is a very different forced the 1980s. Things
:46:59. > :47:07.will continue to change, but I'm convinced they are doing a great
:47:07. > :47:13.job. Alan Hardwick, her familiar face to many of our viewers. -- a
:47:13. > :47:17.familiar face. You have got Lincolnshire. A huge, a rural
:47:17. > :47:22.county. It is the worst funded police force in the country per
:47:22. > :47:31.head of the population. Are you hoping to find some money down the
:47:31. > :47:35.back of the settee? I suppose the point is that the government to go
:47:35. > :47:38.away a special role will grant worth �1.8 million a year and
:47:39. > :47:42.showed that between other forces, to whom it meant a bit of pocket
:47:42. > :47:47.money. It would have made all the difference in the world to the
:47:47. > :47:56.policing of Lincolnshire. It was meant to help resolve the problems
:47:57. > :48:01.there, but the problems are still there. The population of Scotland
:48:01. > :48:04.is roughly the same as Yorkshire. To save money, individual police
:48:04. > :48:08.forces north of the bird at -- border are merging into one
:48:08. > :48:16.national Scottish force. Aspects of Yorkshire's policing are already
:48:16. > :48:19.done on a plan regional basis -- plan regional. Some are asking why
:48:19. > :48:29.we have spending so much money paying for these newly elected
:48:29. > :48:33.commissioners. Should it be just one person doing the job? Of they
:48:33. > :48:42.are patrolling the roads of West Yorkshire hunting criminals with
:48:42. > :48:50.the latest technology. But they do not work for West Yorkshire Police,
:48:50. > :48:58.they are part of a regional team that works across north, south,
:48:58. > :49:05.east and West Yorkshire and Humberside. The public will just
:49:05. > :49:09.see police providing a service that they are requiring. Policing
:49:09. > :49:14.Yorkshire and Humber controls the regional roads team. It also runs
:49:14. > :49:22.the new regional police die of unit based in Humberside, covering the
:49:22. > :49:29.whole region -- dive unit. They are also working more closely together.
:49:29. > :49:32.They share human resources, training facilities. They are
:49:32. > :49:37.buying cars together and they are looking to do the same with
:49:37. > :49:47.uniformed. It all so smiley but it means the forces are getting
:49:47. > :49:56.increasingly difficult to tell apart -- it ought saves money.
:49:56. > :50:05.Reform and change, tighter budgets, they have pushed the force. Wall
:50:05. > :50:10.regionalisation is likely. -- more regionalisation. A back office
:50:10. > :50:15.functions are now being considered for regional mergers. This man is
:50:15. > :50:19.the deputy chief constable who runs the regional units. We can deliver
:50:19. > :50:24.services add up to 30 % cheaper than doing it across the four
:50:24. > :50:29.forces. But his money that helps support the response policing.
:50:29. > :50:39.just saving money, catching criminals, as well. This team have
:50:39. > :50:45.caught a car and found a man in possession of cannabis. Policing is
:50:45. > :50:47.changing. It shouldn't matter where the office is from. We have a
:50:47. > :50:51.stronger accountability structure through the chief constable and
:50:52. > :50:57.through the government structures, which in the future will be Police
:50:57. > :51:02.and Crime Commissioners. So why not one forced to cover the whole of
:51:02. > :51:12.Yorkshire and Humberside? Next year, Scott and's eight police forces
:51:12. > :51:22.will become one. There are currently 43 forces across England
:51:22. > :51:24.
:51:24. > :51:30.and Wales. Could the forces in Yorkshire be merged? I think it is
:51:30. > :51:40.an inefficient way of policing this country. I would never rule out the
:51:40. > :51:42.
:51:42. > :51:52.possibility, but we have no plans to do this for the time being.
:51:52. > :51:53.
:51:53. > :51:56.think regional working is the way to go. So, more changes on the way,
:51:56. > :52:01.but given we have just elected local Police and Crime
:52:01. > :52:08.Commissioners, there are also more questions about where they fit in
:52:08. > :52:14.increasingly complex structures of policing. Do think there is an
:52:14. > :52:16.argument for a regional police force if it saves money? Not at all.
:52:16. > :52:26.In two dozen of five, Charles Clarke tried to introduce this
:52:26. > :52:32.policy. Policing should be kept as local as possible. -- in 2005. We
:52:32. > :52:38.have saved an awful lot of money in doing so. But it needs to be as
:52:38. > :52:43.close to the public as possible. One of the key issues raised by the
:52:43. > :52:52.public is that they don't know the candidates. In South Yorkshire, we
:52:52. > :52:56.have wanted �5 million -- we have 1.5 million people. But existing
:52:56. > :53:02.police forces are based on county boundaries. Matthew Grove, you
:53:03. > :53:09.cover Humberside, which doesn't even exist any more. No, but it is
:53:09. > :53:14.there to serve the people off Lincolnshire and Yorkshire.
:53:14. > :53:20.Criminals don't respect boundaries, they operate wherever. We have to
:53:20. > :53:24.co-operate. Regional structures, it flies against what the public want.
:53:24. > :53:27.We need efficient services but we don't need to create new
:53:27. > :53:32.organisations that are more distant from the public. Policing went
:53:32. > :53:35.wrong when it removed itself from the communities that it is there to
:53:35. > :53:40.serve. Our job as Police and Crime Commissioners is to reconnect the
:53:40. > :53:47.public with their policing service. But if it says up to 30 %, surely
:53:48. > :53:51.there is an argument for it? -- if it saves. I don't think there's an
:53:51. > :53:55.argument for joining all of the forces together. Policing is
:53:55. > :53:58.essentially a local issue. People want to know that they're going to
:53:58. > :54:07.be safe walking down the street. They don't care about other
:54:07. > :54:17.people's streets. Winter -- we need to make sure policing his cap local.
:54:17. > :54:19.
:54:19. > :54:23.-- policing is kept below call. have campaigned hard to say and not
:54:24. > :54:31.in favour of privatising services. I would much rather talk -- father
:54:32. > :54:36.worked with the other police forces in the region. There is no doubt
:54:36. > :54:41.that speaking to people during this campaign, they are more interested
:54:41. > :54:45.in the delivery of policing on a day-to-day level up and that we
:54:45. > :54:48.need to enable specialist services are done effectively across the
:54:48. > :54:58.region. Burglars don't stick to existing
:54:58. > :54:59.
:54:59. > :55:04.boundaries. That is why it by believe in having a regional
:55:04. > :55:09.collaboration -- that is why I believe. It is an effective way to
:55:09. > :55:15.address strategic issues where we can tackle problems across a region.
:55:15. > :55:25.Alan Carr Brick, how would you feel about that? Would you be happy? --
:55:25. > :55:26.
:55:26. > :55:30.Alan Hardwick. We know that it works and that mergers will not.
:55:30. > :55:36.Hundreds of thousands of pounds of public money was wasted on money
:55:36. > :55:40.that was doomed from the start. Talk to local people, find out what
:55:40. > :55:44.they want and then you can target the diminishing resources we have
:55:44. > :55:51.into the areas where they can do most. We can save public money and
:55:51. > :55:53.it makes sense. Some claimed the election of police
:55:53. > :55:57.commissioners will unleash a new wave of privatisation in a bid to
:55:57. > :56:04.drive down costs and make savings. One force has already gone down
:56:04. > :56:09.that road in a big way. Christmas seemed to come early for
:56:09. > :56:12.Lincolnshire police this year with the promise of this. Venue state-
:56:12. > :56:19.of-the-art police station to be built and paid for by the private
:56:19. > :56:24.sector company G4S. All part of a deal to outsource some of the
:56:24. > :56:28.forces departments. In February this year, linkage a police signed
:56:28. > :56:33.a 200 million pound deal with G4S to deliver some of its back office
:56:33. > :56:36.functions. More than 500 members of staff were transferred to the
:56:36. > :56:41.company. It is the biggest deal of its kind in the UK at the moment
:56:41. > :56:47.and is intended to save this force more than �20 million over the next
:56:47. > :56:51.decade. It is a dream deal for a force facing a �20 million cut in
:56:51. > :56:56.government funding over the next four years. And one which has had
:56:56. > :57:00.to cut the number of uniformed officers by 90 in the past two
:57:00. > :57:05.years. But on the ground, experiences have been mixed. They
:57:05. > :57:09.have been job losses. There has not been as many compulsory
:57:09. > :57:14.redundancies as we expected, but they have been a lot of it non
:57:14. > :57:21.filling of vacancies. That hit services. The staff but
:57:21. > :57:29.Lincolnshire police are now employed by G4S -- the staff of
:57:29. > :57:33.Lincolnshire police. The intention to build a new police station on
:57:33. > :57:38.the current site of the headquarters in Nettleham has run
:57:38. > :57:41.into fierce public resistance, leaving some to conclude that the
:57:41. > :57:47.new Police and Crime Commissioners will be forced to choose a
:57:48. > :57:51.different site. It has also been a difficult few months for G4S. First
:57:51. > :57:55.there was the Olympics debacle, and recently it lost a contract to run
:57:55. > :57:59.a present in East Yorkshire. When the ligature deal was signed, it
:57:59. > :58:04.was also thought that other forces would come on board. So far that
:58:04. > :58:10.hasn't happened. There has been a political reaction that neither
:58:10. > :58:20.Lincolnshire police or G4S expected. It has brought privatisation of
:58:20. > :58:23.police services. In a statement to Sunday politics, G4S says it has
:58:23. > :58:26.delivered 14 % savings through innovative working practices, and
:58:26. > :58:32.that, the company claims, has allowed the recruitment of
:58:32. > :58:39.additional police officers, and cared more officers on the beat. --
:58:39. > :58:44.kept. Newly elected PCC's it will face strong lobbying from both
:58:44. > :58:48.sides of the privatisation argument -- PCCs. Here in a good cheer
:58:48. > :58:53.opinion remains divided over virtues of making a profit over
:58:54. > :58:57.policing. Alan Hardwick, you're forces led the way with
:58:57. > :59:03.privatisation. Will we see more side of it -- more of it on your
:59:03. > :59:06.watch? No. This has been one of the most contentious issues I have had
:59:07. > :59:13.e-mails about. People fear that privatisation of police means we
:59:13. > :59:22.will have none warranted offices in strange uniforms. This is not going
:59:22. > :59:28.to happen -- none warranted. I should say here that I don't think
:59:28. > :59:36.for one second that G4S want to have their officers patrolling any
:59:36. > :59:40.streets. As has already been said, they have made a solid start in the
:59:40. > :59:43.contract. But that contract will not be expanded. When it comes to
:59:43. > :59:48.saving money, Matthew Grove, you have got to look at the
:59:48. > :59:52.privatisation option's no, we need a mixed economy. We need a
:59:52. > :59:56.voluntary sector and a private sector as well. But what we can do
:59:56. > :00:01.is we can start to make a public sector more efficient. It can allow
:00:01. > :00:05.them to co-operate. We have ambulance service, fire service,
:00:05. > :00:08.they all have vehicle maintenance units, or repeating the same
:00:08. > :00:13.functions with managers. Why don't we get them to co-operate together
:00:13. > :00:18.to provide a better service, save cloth and protect their
:00:18. > :00:22.organisations? So you would like to see some privatisation? There is
:00:22. > :00:27.always a place. We have private sector involvement in public sector
:00:27. > :00:29.at the moment. They run each services. But wholesale
:00:29. > :00:34.privatisation too large multinational companies, that is
:00:34. > :00:38.not on my agenda. I want the best quality services delivered locally.
:00:38. > :00:42.I want local people to be employed in the delivery of those services.
:00:42. > :00:46.I don't want them being outsourced regionally, nationally and
:00:46. > :00:51.definitely not internationally. that the case in all chalk -- North
:00:51. > :00:56.Yorkshire? Yes, we are very fortunate a we are likely to have a
:00:57. > :01:01.balanced budgets are we it are not looking at making 7th -- so we are
:01:01. > :01:03.not looking at making savings through privatisation. But there
:01:03. > :01:07.are opportunities to collaborate with the local council and with
:01:08. > :01:13.fire and rescue and emergency services, so we need to be focused.
:01:13. > :01:17.We have got to keep that focus one frontline policing and savings that
:01:17. > :01:21.we can make in the back office that allows us to have that focus on
:01:21. > :01:27.frontline policing. A people want to see uniformed officers out on
:01:27. > :01:32.the streets, they don't want to see them in the office, do they? That
:01:32. > :01:39.is why I was instrumental in helping to agree funding with the
:01:39. > :01:49.five councils in West Yorkshire, for example. Various DC Oakes need
:01:49. > :01:53.
:01:53. > :01:56.to boost the local policing teams. -- There is PCSOs. We wanted
:01:56. > :02:00.continued collaboration within the region and work with the councils
:02:00. > :02:05.and the voluntary sector and a good public sector ways of saving money
:02:05. > :02:11.rather than outsourcing. You have got 20 % cuts to make aware of that
:02:11. > :02:16.money going to come from? This has been raised to in recent weeks, it
:02:16. > :02:24.is at the top of the agenda, the public don't want to see their
:02:24. > :02:28.police services privatised. That is an absolute guarantee. In reality,
:02:28. > :02:34.South Yorkshire Police is a public service, should remain so,
:02:34. > :02:39.accountable to the public and not to shareholders. We have small and
:02:39. > :02:43.medium-sized enterprise contract in place, we have another company
:02:43. > :02:48.which provides medical services, those at small involved contract
:02:48. > :02:55.with the private sector are doing a good job. But what we will not be
:02:55. > :03:02.doing his large-scale outsourcing. For example, what happens when G4S
:03:02. > :03:05.fails? It is the tax payer which picks up the bill. The last thing
:03:05. > :03:08.we wanted it is introduce an additional risk into that service
:03:09. > :03:14.by doing out sourcing run large- scale to multinational companies
:03:14. > :03:18.whose only interest is profit. 10 seconds each, what are your main
:03:18. > :03:22.priorities? To ask local people what policing they want and get
:03:22. > :03:26.them involved good drawing up the policing plan for the next three-
:03:26. > :03:29.and-a-half-year us. To focus a resources on frontline policing
:03:30. > :03:34.services that protect the public, deter crime and involve the
:03:34. > :03:39.community to fight crime. Policing alone cannot tackle crime. It is
:03:39. > :03:45.the community joining with policing. My focus is around anti-social
:03:45. > :03:50.behaviour and trying to crack down on cross-border crime. It is also
:03:50. > :03:54.vital to get local people involved in all of this and having their say.
:03:54. > :03:58.To absolutely protect the name of the policing teams who were doing a
:03:58. > :04:04.great job throughout his cheek -- East Yorkshire and make sure the
:04:04. > :04:10.public's priorities are reflected. More visible policing, less
:04:10. > :04:19.burglary, less drugs and increase confidence in the police. We will