:01:25. > :01:35.Coming up on Sunday Politics in the North: Landlord's own Chancellor to
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:37:11. > :37:14.halt the right in the attacks at to Hello, you are watching the
:37:14. > :37:19.programme for Yorkshire and Lincolnshire. Coming up today, with
:37:19. > :37:26.18 pubs a week closing down, pressure is growing on the
:37:26. > :37:33.Chancellor to halt the rise on via. That is one of our talking points
:37:33. > :37:38.today to be discussed by our guests, Greg Mulholland and Julian Sturdy.
:37:38. > :37:43.In Hull we have Karl Turner, the Labour MP for Hull East. At busy
:37:43. > :37:48.week in the world of politics, what has caught your eye? The Leveson
:37:48. > :37:53.Inquiry is the main thing. The Prime Minister said that unless the
:37:53. > :37:56.proposals made by Lord Justice Leveson were bonkers it would be
:37:56. > :38:00.implemented. I am now told that the Prime Minister has made his
:38:00. > :38:04.statement saying he will not do that and saying it puts the divide
:38:04. > :38:09.between Nick Clegg and David Cameron and to be honest it is a
:38:09. > :38:12.massive mistake for the Prime Minister. 70% of the electorate of
:38:12. > :38:17.saying they want to see some statutory underpinning of the press
:38:17. > :38:21.so I think it is a mistake and he needs to think about the decision.
:38:21. > :38:24.Julian Sturdy, has David Cameron misjudged the public mood?
:38:24. > :38:29.Certainly we must have action on this. We have to remember the
:38:29. > :38:34.victims in the process. The Leveson report was a pretty good report
:38:34. > :38:37.from what I have read of it so far. Ultimately whether Prime Minister
:38:37. > :38:41.is absolutely right is that we must get all the parties around the
:38:41. > :38:46.table. This is not about politics, it is about getting a political
:38:46. > :38:51.agreement across all parties that we can work with and take forward.
:38:51. > :38:55.We know that Nick Clegg and David Cameron disagreed so will we we see
:38:55. > :39:00.Rawling in public more often? did not see any rowing in public. I
:39:00. > :39:04.was delighted that Nick Clegg came out firmly and said he backed the
:39:04. > :39:07.Leveson recommendations which is very much my position. I think we
:39:07. > :39:12.should work together but I think we should follow that path. It is not
:39:12. > :39:16.talking about state regulation, it is talking about self-regulation
:39:16. > :39:21.but clearly underpinned by passing legislation which I think has to
:39:21. > :39:24.happen. It is about conduct not content. The content is entirely up
:39:24. > :39:28.to editors but we have seen content that is unacceptable and people
:39:28. > :39:31.want to have the confidence it will not happen again. In another big
:39:31. > :39:35.political story of the week Thursday's Rotherham by-election
:39:35. > :39:40.saw Labour hold onto the seat they hated by the former Europe minister
:39:40. > :39:45.Denis MacShane. Much attention has been focused on the runners up.
:39:45. > :39:49.Nigel Farage says his outfit are now the party -- the second party
:39:49. > :39:53.in the north following their best ever result in a Westminster
:39:53. > :40:03.election. Our cameras filmed behind the scenes with the UKIP campaign
:40:03. > :40:11.
:40:11. > :40:18.in Rotherham. At UKIP HQ battle plans are being
:40:18. > :40:21.drawn for the last run bit poor polling day. The light yellow is
:40:21. > :40:26.where we first started the flitting. The dark green is where we have
:40:26. > :40:31.been door knocking and canvassing. It was last weekend that Nigel
:40:31. > :40:36.Farage came to Rotherham to campaign. He was there to talk
:40:36. > :40:40.about just one issue that UKIP itself had leaked to the national
:40:40. > :40:45.newspapers 24 hours before, the allegation that Rotherham foster-
:40:45. > :40:49.parents who were also UKIP members had children removed from them by
:40:49. > :40:53.the council because of their party's properties on
:40:53. > :40:57.multiculturalism. For the party's candidate, was this an early
:40:57. > :41:01.festive grip? I do not think Christmas has come early. I feel
:41:01. > :41:05.very sorry for the children and very sorry for the foster parents
:41:05. > :41:11.because Christmases ruined for those children. By election is far
:41:11. > :41:14.more it -- far less important than this fostering case. He is
:41:14. > :41:18.certainly created an opportunity to talk about its manifesto priorities,
:41:18. > :41:23.Euro-scepticism, control of immigration, protecting the economy
:41:23. > :41:28.and cutting a political correctness. On the doorstep those issues hardly
:41:28. > :41:32.took centre-stage. There are a few things with the cancer with the
:41:32. > :41:40.Foster case and the grooming and Denis MacShane himself. You have
:41:40. > :41:44.got my vote already, sweet hard. Thank you very much. This is the
:41:44. > :41:52.UKIP. Noah thank you. A I have never voted for Labour. They are
:41:52. > :41:58.just as bad as the Conservatives. They are all in with each other.
:41:58. > :42:02.Sarah Champion is duly elected to serve as the Member of Parliament
:42:02. > :42:07.for the Rotherham constituency. was no major surprise to see Labour
:42:07. > :42:12.winning on Thursday and while Nigel Farage could have gone to any of
:42:12. > :42:16.the two other by-election counts, he came to South Yorkshire. His
:42:16. > :42:20.party came second but to him that was a major victory. I think it
:42:20. > :42:26.helped because what it did was it put the focus on UKIP and the other
:42:26. > :42:30.policies we stand for as well. That definitely helped us. UKIP put you
:42:30. > :42:33.very hard. At one stage the issue they pushed very hard was the issue
:42:33. > :42:37.of fostering. You did not speak about that at all. You never said a
:42:38. > :42:41.single word. You were being sheltered. Was it a wobbly moment
:42:41. > :42:44.for you? It was not that we were being sheltered but I genuinely
:42:44. > :42:50.think the most important thing is taking care of children and not
:42:50. > :42:55.using them as a political for more. As UKIP gained Labour-held their
:42:55. > :42:59.share of the boats and the other parties were squashed flat. Liberal
:42:59. > :43:03.Democrats had a fraction of the share of the that they had in 2010.
:43:03. > :43:07.With BNP coming third Rotherham will provide food for thought for
:43:07. > :43:13.all party policy makers. How worried are many Tories about
:43:13. > :43:17.the rise of UKIP? We cannot gloss over this. This was a disappointing
:43:17. > :43:21.result for the Conservatives. Nobody expected us to win this.
:43:21. > :43:25.Everyone thought that Labour would hold up because they have not lost
:43:25. > :43:30.the seat since 1930. That was no surprise. We cannot hide that this
:43:30. > :43:34.was a disappointing result for us and we must learn the lessons.
:43:35. > :43:38.only just held your deposit and you were beaten by the BNP. That is
:43:38. > :43:42.worrying. We cannot hide from this. There was a very disappointing
:43:42. > :43:47.result for us on Thursday. I think as a party we have got to learn
:43:47. > :43:52.some lessons from it. There is no doubt. A pretty dismal result for
:43:52. > :43:57.Liberal Democrats, your candidate finished in 8th place and lost his
:43:57. > :44:01.deposit. Can UKIP now claim to be the third party of politics?
:44:01. > :44:05.they cannot. It is ridiculous. What you saw in Rotherham and in other
:44:05. > :44:11.seats as well was a very strong protest vote and we all have to
:44:11. > :44:13.take that seriously. Actually it was a protest not only against the
:44:13. > :44:19.Establishment and clearly the Liberal Democrats are now in
:44:19. > :44:22.government, it was also a protest against the Labour Party as well.
:44:22. > :44:27.They are the party that has had this seat under that electoral
:44:27. > :44:33.system for many years. People were turning their backs on Labour. That
:44:33. > :44:37.is something they also need to take seriously. How damaging was the
:44:37. > :44:43.foster care row involving the UKIP supporting parents? I do not think
:44:43. > :44:47.it was damaging at all. I want to pick up on what Greg Mulholland
:44:47. > :44:53.suggested. It was a great result, we shared our increase of --
:44:53. > :44:57.percentage of the vote. This was disastrous for the Lib Dems, coming
:44:57. > :45:01.in 8th place. A shocking result for the Tories. What people were saying
:45:01. > :45:05.to me, I spent Wednesday there, people were telling me it is about
:45:05. > :45:09.the economy and we needed jobs and growth. The Prime Minister and Nick
:45:09. > :45:14.Clegg have turned their back on the north so they will be going out and
:45:14. > :45:19.voting Labour the next day on the day of the election. We did very
:45:19. > :45:29.well. Greg is quite wrong. Arkwright wrong, according to Karl
:45:29. > :45:31.
:45:31. > :45:39.Turner? He quite often says that. That suggests I am halfway right.
:45:39. > :45:42.We increase our share of the vote! Let me finish. Let him have his say.
:45:42. > :45:47.If you are not going to take seriously the fact that the BNP
:45:47. > :45:51.picked up a lot of boats, the Labour -- from Labour voters and
:45:51. > :45:54.that UKIP did the same, I think that is complacent. I was on the
:45:54. > :45:57.streets of Middlesbrough yesterday and there are a lot of people feel
:45:57. > :46:01.that Labour have let them down and they have done nothing in towns
:46:01. > :46:05.like Middlesbrough and Rotherham because they take them for granted.
:46:05. > :46:09.We have increased our share of the vote! We have to accept that people
:46:09. > :46:16.are turning their back on mainstream politics. It is silly to
:46:16. > :46:21.suggest that. On a vastly returned -- on a vastly reduced turnout.
:46:21. > :46:26.accept that. Your boat went down as well, that is the reality. There is
:46:26. > :46:29.a massive problem here for the coalition parties in government.
:46:29. > :46:34.Genuinely people on the doorstep was saying to me that they do not
:46:34. > :46:40.understand us, they have no idea about what is going on in our lives
:46:41. > :46:45.and they have turned their back on the north. I think it was a...
:46:45. > :46:49.is rubbish. I think this is opposition to the coalition parties
:46:49. > :46:53.in government. This is from the Labour Party who focused all of
:46:53. > :46:57.their attentions on the south-east and the banking sector, that is the
:46:57. > :47:01.reality of New Labour's view of the economy. The coalition government
:47:01. > :47:06.have not turn their back, north. A disappointing night for both of the
:47:06. > :47:10.coalition parties and we must hold up our hands on that but we have to
:47:10. > :47:14.make sure the Government puts it more effort akin to the north. We
:47:14. > :47:20.are trying to do that and bridge the North-South divide and that La
:47:20. > :47:26.-- that widened under the last Labour government. UKIP could still
:47:26. > :47:30.cause you a lot of damage. We heard that Tory MPs are thinking of
:47:30. > :47:38.defecting to the party, do you believe that? No, I do not believe
:47:38. > :47:41.it at all. We must be honest, this is a mid-term by-election. You
:47:41. > :47:45.would expect that the sitting government would take a bit of a
:47:45. > :47:49.battering and it did. We have to be quite honest about that. We have to
:47:49. > :47:59.be open and honest within our party about the reasons for that but I do
:47:59. > :48:00.
:48:00. > :48:09.not believe that this is the rise of UK battle. I want to talk about
:48:09. > :48:13.BNL. -- beer now. Pressure is growing on the Chancellor to halt
:48:13. > :48:16.the rise in tax on a pint of beer, which has risen by more than 40%
:48:16. > :48:19.over the past four years. Landlords across Yorkshire and Lincolnshire
:48:19. > :48:22.say unless they get a helping hand from the government, yet more pubs
:48:22. > :48:24.will close their doors for good. Across the country the local pub is
:48:24. > :48:27.becoming an endangered species. This East Yorkshire village has
:48:27. > :48:34.recently seen the closure of one of its watering holes. That leaves
:48:34. > :48:38.just one pub here, Bear Inn. I asked the landlord about the grisly
:48:38. > :48:45.outlook for the trade. What has gone wrong? It is the government
:48:45. > :48:49.who has not supported through really. They do not help local pub
:48:49. > :48:53.businesses. It is the VAT and if they would reduce the VAT it would
:48:53. > :48:57.help the pub industry enormously. But they would freeze it for a few
:48:57. > :49:03.months it would give the pubs are charms. Up to one-third of a cost
:49:03. > :49:08.of a pit -- typical Pipe is taking in VAT and excise duty. Many have
:49:08. > :49:12.called for the abolition of the beer duty escalator which sees tax
:49:12. > :49:20.increase by 2% above inflation every year, as a result the tax on
:49:20. > :49:25.beer has gone up by 40% since 2008. It means that pubs like the Myrtle
:49:25. > :49:28.Tavern in Leeds are struggling to break even. The money that you are
:49:28. > :49:33.making, people assume it is pure profit but your overheads are so
:49:33. > :49:36.high and they are becoming higher every year, especially when nearly
:49:36. > :49:40.one-third of the price of a pint goes straight to the Government.
:49:40. > :49:45.Your break-even levels, you need to take quite a lot of money just to
:49:45. > :49:51.keep the building operating and pay your staff. Latest figures reveal
:49:51. > :49:57.that on average 18 pubs a week are closing and the Chancellor is being
:49:57. > :50:02.urged to use his Autumn Statement to give the industry a lifeline.
:50:02. > :50:06.are asking George Osborne to look at rebating pups. The alcohol
:50:06. > :50:11.retail in here comes with are the benefits of it being a wider part
:50:11. > :50:17.of society, such as local groups, individuals have meetings here,
:50:17. > :50:21.have parties here, it is the safest place in the country to have a beer.
:50:21. > :50:27.We do not feel as an industry that it is be recognised at the moment.
:50:27. > :50:30.The Government has just proposed a minimum alcohol price of 45p a unit.
:50:30. > :50:35.Ministers hope it will cut down on cases of problem drinking caused by
:50:36. > :50:45.discount booze. It would mean a bottle of strong cider would go up
:50:45. > :50:49.from one pound 89 to �3.78. An own- brand bottle of vodka or would rise
:50:49. > :50:54.to �11.81. These Hull University students say they often start
:50:54. > :50:59.drinking before they head out to the pubs. It is so expensive in the
:50:59. > :51:05.pubs. Before we go a bigger at the supermarket and buy cider or wine
:51:05. > :51:09.to make it cheaper. What is your message to the Chancellor?
:51:09. > :51:16.should give us a chance and give us a cut in tax so we can invest in
:51:16. > :51:20.our pubs. With some tough economic decisions facing the Government,
:51:20. > :51:26.few in the pub trade are expecting an early Christmas present from the
:51:26. > :51:30.Chancellor on Wednesday. Let us go to Greg Mulholland who
:51:30. > :51:33.chairs the all-party Parliamentary save the pub group. Do you think we
:51:33. > :51:37.will get George Osborne freezing the duty or even reducing it on
:51:37. > :51:41.Wednesday? I certainly hope that we get some good news for pubs and
:51:41. > :51:45.that is something that the all- party Save the pub group have been
:51:45. > :51:48.campaigning for and I will continue to do that. It is unlikely we will
:51:48. > :51:53.get a change in beer duty but we are campaigning for an announcement
:51:53. > :51:58.for the Budget next year. I do hope ministers are looking seriously in
:51:58. > :52:01.ways they can help the pub. Another suggestion is to allow rate relief
:52:01. > :52:05.on community pubs and that is something I think should be taken
:52:05. > :52:10.very seriously. The Chancellor needs to accept that the levels of
:52:10. > :52:14.taxation on BR not helpful. Minimum pricing will help but they need to
:52:14. > :52:17.be an acknowledgement, as we said in the peas, that pubs are reported
:52:18. > :52:22.for communities, they are a place to socially and sensibly drink and
:52:23. > :52:25.a must be recognised in the tax system in some way. The beer duty
:52:25. > :52:30.escalator was introduced by Alastair Darling in 2008 and the
:52:30. > :52:34.tax on the has gone up by 40%, do you accept it was a mistake? I am
:52:34. > :52:38.not prepared to say it was a huge mistake but I would say that we
:52:38. > :52:41.want to be honest. We have got to look at this. There are pubs going
:52:41. > :52:46.bankrupt every day of the week. Greg Mulholland is more of an
:52:46. > :52:50.expert on PUP than I am and I often see him in Strangers bar with a
:52:50. > :52:55.pint of real ale in his hands so I know he is a connoisseur on the
:52:55. > :53:01.subject. On a serious note, the Government definitely need to deal
:53:01. > :53:05.with it. Minimum pricing will help to a degree because it stops people
:53:05. > :53:09.dying -- buying up cheap booze before they go out but there is a
:53:09. > :53:13.fine balance, you have to be careful not to price people out of
:53:13. > :53:18.enjoying a bottle of wine with a meal but the government have to the
:53:18. > :53:24.chemist. What colour was saying is that he is a lager man! Julian
:53:24. > :53:28.Sturdy, this minimum pricing proposals announced earlier in the
:53:28. > :53:33.week, why should the vast majority of responsible drinkers be
:53:33. > :53:36.penalised for the actions of a minority? We have got to do
:53:37. > :53:40.something. When we look at the problems that alcohol is causing
:53:40. > :53:44.within younger society, the government has to take action.
:53:44. > :53:49.Going back to the pubs, I agree with great entirely that we must do
:53:49. > :53:54.something on rate relief within the pubs and I think there is scope to
:53:54. > :53:57.do that. Minimum pricing will help pubs in the longer run. Ultimately
:53:57. > :54:00.what we are going to see in the Autumn Statement, this is a very
:54:00. > :54:04.crucial time I think within the life of this Parliament and the
:54:04. > :54:07.economic cycle we are in at the moment, the Autumn Statement and
:54:07. > :54:11.Budget next year are absolutely crucial and I really want to see
:54:11. > :54:14.the Chancellor put in more money back into people's pockets in the
:54:14. > :54:19.Autumn Statement and the budget and if we get more money back into
:54:19. > :54:22.people's pockets, I want his see him talking about transferable tax
:54:22. > :54:26.allowances and I want to see a freeze in fuel duty bad if we can
:54:26. > :54:30.get more money back into people's pockets, disposable income again,
:54:30. > :54:35.that will help. The minimum alcohol press will penalise the working man
:54:35. > :54:38.who buys a few cans to watch in front of the telly. He will pay a
:54:38. > :54:43.lot more for his bruise where as your millionaires on the dot are
:54:44. > :54:47.not bothered with a grin and John - - gin and tonics. We have to be
:54:47. > :54:51.careful. We have to recognise the damage that alcohol can do in the
:54:51. > :54:54.society if drinking is unchecked. There is no doubt that there is a
:54:54. > :54:59.rising problem within the health industry on the problems that
:54:59. > :55:02.alcohol is causing. Something has to be done but ultimately we
:55:02. > :55:06.started the piece by talking about the pub industry and they are a
:55:06. > :55:10.valuable part of our community and we have to get some support for
:55:10. > :55:14.them. A wish-list for the Chancellor? To find a way in the
:55:14. > :55:18.tax system to recognise pubs. Let us be clear it is not the only
:55:18. > :55:22.problem. We also need reform of the pub companies who are abusing and
:55:22. > :55:25.taking too much out of pubs and we need planning reform to stop
:55:25. > :55:28.supermarkets taking over pubs which is another issue that is related
:55:28. > :55:33.and we will carry on campaigning on that but we hope we will get some
:55:33. > :55:36.good news from the Chancellor on Thursday and in the Budget next
:55:36. > :55:39.year. Let's take a look at some more of
:55:39. > :55:48.the week's political news in our part of the world now. Sean Stowell
:55:48. > :55:52.has our round-up in 60 seconds. More floods. Still no agreement
:55:53. > :55:57.between insurers and government to try and provide affordable cover.
:55:57. > :56:00.Chief Secretary to the chair zero, Danny Alexander came to Yorkshire
:56:00. > :56:04.this week to announce another �120 million for the country's flood
:56:04. > :56:08.defence is. Flood defences are something that is not only
:56:08. > :56:11.important to protect homeowners and businesses from the devastating
:56:11. > :56:15.consequences of floods but can also help to enable economic growth and
:56:15. > :56:19.economic development. Planning minister Nick bowls has criticised
:56:19. > :56:23.conservation groups for holding up development on countryside in East
:56:23. > :56:27.Yorkshire and Lincolnshire. He says developing some sides has to be
:56:27. > :56:32.viewed as inevitable. They have got to accept that we have got to build
:56:32. > :56:36.more on some open land. Wind turbine manufacturers say the
:56:36. > :56:40.energy bill has finally cleared up doubts about government intentions.
:56:40. > :56:48.They had delayed development proposals in the Humber. A company
:56:48. > :56:52.spokesman has said that plans for investing in Hull are back on track.
:56:52. > :56:55.Karl Turner, we will see huge subsidies going to the green energy
:56:55. > :56:58.companies. Are you happy that the Government is on the right track
:56:58. > :57:05.with its energy policy? I am very pleased that the publication of the
:57:05. > :57:12.energy bill has provided some comfort. We massively need at the
:57:12. > :57:18.investment in my city. It really is the only game in town. We have lost
:57:18. > :57:23.1009 a private sector jobs in the last few weeks. We are desperate
:57:23. > :57:26.for jobs and growth in my area of the world. I think it provides some
:57:26. > :57:31.comfort. I am a little bit disappointed that the Government
:57:31. > :57:36.did not refer the with the decolonisation targets for 2030. I
:57:36. > :57:41.think if they had done it would provide a lot more comfort to the
:57:41. > :57:44.investors. I will ask the MPs in the studio. Our people happy to pay
:57:44. > :57:51.up to �100 each year extra to fund wind farms and offshore wind
:57:51. > :57:54.projects? Let us be clear, that is not the case. I commend a day the's
:57:54. > :57:57.leadership as Secretary and state - - sector of State for Energy in
:57:57. > :58:02.climate change but a whole point is that the Government is bringing
:58:02. > :58:05.energy bills down at the same time as accepting that we do have to
:58:05. > :58:11.look at funding those new forms of energy in the future which is
:58:11. > :58:14.absolutely right. Gas, coal, will only last for a certain amount of
:58:14. > :58:18.time and we need to be looking forward and this is a sensible
:58:18. > :58:23.package which Overtown will build - - bring bills down. I am delighted,
:58:23. > :58:26.it is great for Hull. It is the great for the whole reason -- is
:58:26. > :58:32.great for the whole region that Humberside should be a real centre
:58:32. > :58:35.for this. When you are talking about renewable energy we need to
:58:35. > :58:39.make sure that the money is going to the right renewable energy. I am
:58:39. > :58:43.delighted about the offshore wind news 4 I'll and that is great news
:58:43. > :58:47.for our regional economy. We also have to look at idle and wave
:58:47. > :58:52.energy and that is something that we can really push for in our
:58:52. > :58:55.region. I am a sceptic of onshore wind, if I am honest. I don't think
:58:55. > :59:00.the money there is used properly and there is far too much subsidy
:59:00. > :59:04.that goes to it so we have to be careful we live -- we have to be
:59:04. > :59:09.careful with it. Is there too much subsidy going to onshore wind?
:59:09. > :59:13.worry I have had in recent messaged -- the issue why have in recent
:59:13. > :59:16.months is the mixed message from government messages. I am very
:59:16. > :59:26.relieved to have a consistent policy from the Government now
:59:26. > :59:28.
:59:28. > :59:32.where the Chancellor is in a - well - and we now have -- I am very
:59:32. > :59:35.relieved. Where does government policy go from here? It has been
:59:35. > :59:39.clearly laid out. I shared the frustration and at the recent
:59:39. > :59:42.confusion but that his coalition government. There is now a clear
:59:42. > :59:45.position that has been agreed and I am delighted that a day the is
:59:45. > :59:48.leading on this. I am delighted this government can fulfil his
:59:48. > :59:52.promise to be the greenest government ever and it is investing
:59:52. > :59:55.in the right kind of energy including here in our region.