:01:10. > :01:20.in Yorkshire and Lincolnshire - we find out to what extent UKIP's
:01:20. > :01:21.
:01:21. > :38:32.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2231 seconds
:38:32. > :38:37.success will change the political Sunday politics for Yorkshire,
:38:37. > :38:40.Lincolnshire and the North Midlands. Coming up before mid-day,
:38:40. > :38:44.celebrations for UKIP, will be partypoz-mac success in our part of
:38:44. > :38:48.the world change the governmentpoz-mac perspective on
:38:48. > :38:53.Europe and immigrationquaz-mac it is clear that people have got fed up
:38:53. > :39:01.with the lack of jobs and stuff around here. Migrant workers coming
:39:01. > :39:11.in and all that. UKIPpoz-mac success might not have been replicated
:39:11. > :39:14.
:39:14. > :39:17.everywhere. UKIP gained 16 seats. It was a significant achievement from a
:39:17. > :39:27.party who only last week were labelled by Cabinet Minister Ken
:39:27. > :39:28.
:39:28. > :39:33.Clarke is a collection of clowns. For UK Independence Party, 636. I
:39:33. > :39:43.therefore declare Nicola Jane Smith to be duly let it for a term of four
:39:43. > :39:48.
:39:48. > :39:54.family affair and parts of Lincolnshire. John Beaver and his
:39:54. > :40:00.daughter Jane both won seats on the county council in her case by just
:40:00. > :40:07.one vote. At one point, I was level with the Conservative member and
:40:07. > :40:12.they then said if, after four recounts, if it had come out the
:40:12. > :40:17.same, then it would have been down to a toss of a coin. People are fed
:40:17. > :40:22.up with the two party system quite honestly. This was quite a big
:40:22. > :40:27.protest against that. People want something else, change. Successors
:40:27. > :40:32.well for the ransom family in Boston. Sue and daughters Felicity
:40:32. > :40:38.and Elizabeth all snatched seats for UKIP. I think people thought it is
:40:38. > :40:43.time to get people in who will do things. Lincolnshire's dreadful
:40:43. > :40:49.potholes, people but irritate people on a daily basis. But in letterboxed
:40:49. > :40:54.and it wasn't potholes which swung the vote for UKIP. It is not hard to
:40:54. > :41:00.see why, I am not too into the whole politics thing but it is clear
:41:00. > :41:05.people have got fed up with the lack of jobs and stuff due to foreigners
:41:05. > :41:09.coming in, migrant workers. I can't blame people coming here if they can
:41:09. > :41:16.better their lives, I am not racist at all but I think there are too
:41:16. > :41:22.many in the town. Now the inquest begins for the Conservatives. They
:41:22. > :41:31.do not have an overall majority. have had a shaky coalition of lots
:41:31. > :41:36.of partners, it is up to us to talk to various other parties whether in
:41:36. > :41:40.formally or formally and come to an arrangement whereby sensible
:41:40. > :41:44.governance can continue. One former Conservative councillor in
:41:44. > :41:49.Lincolnshire who lost his seat to UKIP has questioned whether David
:41:49. > :41:53.Cameron is still the right man to lead his party. We have listened to
:41:53. > :41:57.the people we have canvassed and he should listen to us, we are the
:41:57. > :42:02.sounding board for the grassroots. He ignores us at his peril. Because
:42:02. > :42:07.they are the ones putting the cross in the box at the next election.
:42:07. > :42:17.They were described as clowns by one senior Tory but these elections saw
:42:17. > :42:19.
:42:19. > :42:23.UKIP have the last laugh. Here at the circus, we are joined
:42:23. > :42:30.live today by our guests. Fabian Hamilton, Labour MP for Leeds
:42:30. > :42:33.north-east, also by the Tory Ayling, one of the newly elected UKIP county
:42:33. > :42:38.councillors -- also by Victoria Ayling and in Westminster is Julian
:42:38. > :42:41.Smith, the Conservative MP for Skipton and Ripon. David Cameron
:42:41. > :42:50.called them fruit cakes, Ken Clarke called them clowns, how would you
:42:50. > :42:57.suck some up -- how would you sum up the success of UKIP? We need to
:42:57. > :43:01.continue to work to communicate fully because these are genuine
:43:01. > :43:07.concerns and worries that people have. And the pressure is on people
:43:07. > :43:10.like me and the Government and every Conservative MP to tell people all
:43:10. > :43:15.the good work we are doing to reduce immigration which we have done by a
:43:15. > :43:19.third in the last year, to limit benefits and put controls around how
:43:19. > :43:24.much money is spent on welfare and what we are doing to create jobs and
:43:24. > :43:28.we need to do a better job of communicating that message. Were you
:43:28. > :43:32.surprised by the success of UKIP, Fabian Hamilton? Not really. People
:43:32. > :43:37.voting UKIP were expressing disaffection with politics and the
:43:37. > :43:41.lack of hope and a lack of any cohesive policy from the Government
:43:41. > :43:46.to give them hope that the economy will recover and that people's lives
:43:46. > :43:49.will get better. It is easy to blame immigration and the ship of the EU
:43:49. > :43:56.and there are issues there but to think that will solve the problems
:43:56. > :44:00.is a big mistake. You are a former Conservative, Victoria Ayling, a
:44:00. > :44:04.parliament candidate in Grimsby but you want your seat for UKIP. Why did
:44:04. > :44:10.so many Tory voters go to your party? We also had Labour and
:44:10. > :44:15.Liberal voters. It is because UKIP policies are common sense and what
:44:15. > :44:25.the people of the whole country, not just in Lincolnshire, are clamouring
:44:25. > :44:26.
:44:26. > :44:30.for. All the main three parties have homogenised into one unit. That is
:44:30. > :44:36.completely untrue, Victoria, and I think you know it. You need to have
:44:36. > :44:41.a choice. Can I have a opportunity to finish, please? People can see
:44:41. > :44:47.that the cost of living going through the roof while we spend �53
:44:47. > :44:52.million a day on Europe, the three main parties Conservative, Liberal
:44:52. > :44:58.and labour all want further integration and do not show any
:44:58. > :45:02.desire to pull away. They won't mash -- they want mass immigration, the
:45:02. > :45:08.claim to save they have reduced it by a third by Julian Smith is
:45:08. > :45:11.incorrect. We stand to have 29 million further Romanians and
:45:11. > :45:19.Bulgarians coming to this country in January. That is not reducing
:45:19. > :45:23.immigration. UKIP take issue with your suggestion that you have
:45:23. > :45:28.reduced immigration. Statistics have shown that has happened and there is
:45:28. > :45:32.a challenge of how we deal with European Union migration and freedom
:45:32. > :45:35.of movement but there again, we are looking at how we make sure there
:45:35. > :45:40.are restrictions on benefits and how do we ensure that anybody coming to
:45:40. > :45:43.work here as to have worked for a reasonable time before they can
:45:43. > :45:49.claim benefits. We will be doing much more over the coming months to
:45:49. > :45:53.show people that hard work is rewarded in this country and that
:45:53. > :45:59.everybody can contribute as long as they have done the hard yards in
:45:59. > :46:03.order to claim and get the benefits that they deserve. Fabian Hamilton,
:46:03. > :46:07.do you understand the depth of unease that people have about mass
:46:07. > :46:11.immigration? Maybe not in metropolitan Leeds but in places
:46:11. > :46:16.like Lincolnshire and many towns? Are we talking about membership of
:46:16. > :46:18.the EU which is what UKIP is talking about and the idea that we will have
:46:18. > :46:23.millions of bulk Aryans and Romanians arriving next year which
:46:24. > :46:33.is nonsense. But when workers arrived from other parts of the U
:46:33. > :46:38.and undercut -- many millions of bulk Aryans and Romanians. This is a
:46:38. > :46:43.nonsense. Is there an element of scaremongering in UKIP's
:46:43. > :46:49.campaigning? Now, hard fact. They say we can stop the benefit in
:46:49. > :46:53.January. You wait. The human rights legislation will ensure there are
:46:53. > :47:00.cases going ten to the dozen and that is disingenuous. We cannot
:47:00. > :47:07.actually leave the human rights court without leaving Europe because
:47:07. > :47:12.in the Lisbon Treaty, that was entrenched and we can only leave
:47:12. > :47:22.human rights court if we leave Europe completely. David Cameron
:47:22. > :47:24.
:47:24. > :47:32.signed up to the institution. heard the word referendum mentioned
:47:32. > :47:35.by Julian Smith, were more that happen? We are the only party to be
:47:36. > :47:41.committed to that. That is an important distinction which we must
:47:41. > :47:45.lay out here. The Conservative party has listened to the concerns of
:47:46. > :47:51.people around the country and will give people the choice. And you
:47:51. > :47:55.think this is going to solve all the problems? We do not need to
:47:55. > :48:00.withdraw, we need reform. We need economic stimulation from the
:48:00. > :48:03.Government. The economy is flatlining and the thing that will
:48:03. > :48:08.solve problems is stimulating the economy, having economic growth so
:48:08. > :48:15.we can get people back to work. have heard this from Fabian and
:48:15. > :48:20.labour before. I am not talking down to you. The economy is healing and I
:48:20. > :48:24.think we will get into positive situations. Can I bring this back to
:48:24. > :48:27.the people that you represented, Lincolnshire, Victoria Ayling
:48:27. > :48:32.because the Tories do not have a majority on the council, will you go
:48:32. > :48:37.into coalition with the Tories? There has been no leader appointed
:48:37. > :48:46.and no group meeting as yet. But we are interested in local people and
:48:46. > :48:52.we know from Nigel Farage, his going around the councils to allow them to
:48:52. > :48:58.decide on single issues and other issues. It is a democratic way of
:48:58. > :49:01.working. So you would go into coalition with the Tories? We have
:49:01. > :49:04.not had a meeting and we would not necessarily go into coalition with
:49:04. > :49:09.anybody without further discussion and to ensure that it is for the
:49:09. > :49:15.benefit of the local people only. We are not party animals. UKIP will put
:49:15. > :49:20.people first. The local elections saw Labour claw back many of the
:49:20. > :49:24.seats it lost in the dark days of Gordon Brown. It secured a narrow
:49:25. > :49:30.victory in the contest to elect a Mayor of Doncaster. Here is Len
:49:30. > :49:33.Tingle. The cat was held here as a stand at
:49:33. > :49:38.Doncaster racecourse. It took eight hours for Labour to inch past the
:49:38. > :49:43.winning post. The reason, there were accounts and recounts and more
:49:43. > :49:48.recounts and second reference votes. Eventually, 60,000 people
:49:48. > :49:54.voted in Doncaster and labour re-gained the post of Mayor of
:49:54. > :50:00.Doncaster are just a few hundred votes. With a majority of 639, I
:50:00. > :50:10.therefore declare that Mrs Jones is elected as Mayor of Doncaster.
:50:10. > :50:14.
:50:14. > :50:18.though, wasn't it? Yes, but at the end of the day we got there. We we
:50:18. > :50:24.knew it had been a tough struggle, an incumbent who had been their four
:50:24. > :50:31.years but we worked together all going forward. It was great. Labour
:50:31. > :50:35.was embarrassed when Peter Davis four years ago took the Mayor of
:50:35. > :50:41.Doncaster's post here in labour's heartland. He was outspoken at the
:50:41. > :50:46.time and since that in his farewell speech, he did not disappoint.
:50:46. > :50:51.would not miss the council meetings which are horrendous in the extreme
:50:51. > :50:56.or often than not. I will not indulge in party politics. We have
:50:56. > :51:01.been defeated and we fought a good campaign. I think we deserved to win
:51:01. > :51:05.but the voters decided we did not. We will take our time forward and we
:51:05. > :51:09.will be part of Sheffield city region and local enterprise
:51:09. > :51:13.partnership because that is where the money will come from into our
:51:13. > :51:16.borrow to help take it forward. Labour celebrations in Doncaster
:51:16. > :51:22.stepped up a gear as news came through of further success, the
:51:22. > :51:26.party had taken county councils of Derbyshire and Notts back from the
:51:26. > :51:32.Conservatives. An enjoyable day for the red rose at wearers. If rather a
:51:32. > :51:35.long one. Even critics would admit the
:51:35. > :51:40.political world would be less colourful without Peter Davis.
:51:40. > :51:47.Fabian Hamilton, you did well in Doncaster, retaking the me a
:51:47. > :51:53.position and in Derbyshire -- the position of Mayor of Doncaster. It
:51:53. > :51:57.will not be enough to win the next general election. These places to
:51:57. > :52:03.places in places that are not metropolitan district 's where we do
:52:03. > :52:10.significantly better and the fact is that of all the seats that were
:52:10. > :52:13.contested on Thursday, 80% of those seats of Conservative MPs in them.
:52:14. > :52:20.This was not natural territory for Labour. We did pretty well.
:52:20. > :52:24.would you sum up the election results for you, Julian Smith?
:52:24. > :52:27.were cracking in North Yorkshire. We had very strong results and I think
:52:27. > :52:32.we showed that actually, having Conservative MPs working across
:52:32. > :52:37.North Yorkshire and working closely with our Conservative councillors,
:52:37. > :52:41.we have delivered �70 million of investment for superfast broadband,
:52:41. > :52:45.we have been assisting on the Tour de France delivery of 2014, helping
:52:45. > :52:52.on the local enterprise partnership and building that to help ease the
:52:52. > :52:55.economy. Labour is looking to exit at next week for the city of York.
:52:55. > :53:00.Conservative MPs working closely with our Conservative councillors
:53:00. > :53:03.that are delivering for North Yorkshire. So are Labour now.
:53:03. > :53:11.story of the election was the demise of what we call the three major
:53:11. > :53:21.parties. Was it, really?The National party's share of the vote
:53:21. > :53:24.
:53:24. > :53:28.was down below 20%. -- the national parties. A lack of progress
:53:28. > :53:33.economically and the problems the country is still facing is
:53:33. > :53:35.concerning the voters and these are mid-term elections. Look what
:53:35. > :53:43.happened four years ago, when the Liberals in the party operatives,
:53:43. > :53:47.people vote Lib Dem. We are here to stay and we offer the policies of
:53:47. > :53:52.hope and will carry them through. We will be forming Administration is
:53:52. > :53:56.locally. We are already doing it in Europe and we will do it nationally
:53:56. > :54:02.and we will carry them through. We are not about spin, we are about
:54:02. > :54:06.genuine policies to bring the country back up to scratch. The next
:54:06. > :54:10.general election is just two years away. Can you believe it? What can
:54:10. > :54:15.these latest election results tell as about the likely outcome?
:54:15. > :54:19.Professor Colin Mellors, Pro-Vice Chancellor at the University of
:54:19. > :54:26.York, has been assessing help voters have been seduced by the folk in the
:54:26. > :54:34.coloured rosettes. # I threw a wish in the well.
:54:34. > :54:41.Labour look and take some satisfaction with the Mayor of
:54:41. > :54:47.Doncaster and election. And Notts and Derbyshire, and even in North
:54:47. > :54:50.Yorkshire, ticking up a handful of seats means they now have a presence
:54:50. > :54:55.which they need to have a presence in if they are going to win a
:54:55. > :54:59.general election. The difficulty is with the national poll of around 29%
:54:59. > :55:02.which is what the estimate is, it is difficult to see how they will get
:55:02. > :55:12.the lead and generate that which is necessary if they will have an
:55:12. > :55:14.
:55:14. > :55:21.they can say it is not got any worse and their share of the vote has not
:55:21. > :55:27.dropped significantly since last year. And that what they do now,
:55:27. > :55:32.they are likely to be a party of government rather than a party of
:55:32. > :55:39.protest. The thing is now if UKIP is now a party of protest or if there
:55:39. > :55:43.really is a new fourth party. It becomes even more difficult for
:55:43. > :55:48.one party to become an outright winner and secondly it means that
:55:48. > :55:51.they will shape the policy discussion and since next year has
:55:51. > :55:55.the European elections coming up, it is pretty likely that UKIP will
:55:55. > :56:02.still be dominant next year in the elections and therefore those really
:56:02. > :56:07.are the rehearsals for the 2015 general election.
:56:07. > :56:13.The thoughts thereof Professor Colin Mellors. Julian Smith, do you accept
:56:13. > :56:17.it is virtually impossible for the Conservatives to win an overall
:56:17. > :56:21.majority of the next election? at all. We will be focusing on how
:56:21. > :56:29.we demonstrate to the British people that the policies we are following,
:56:29. > :56:32.policies that Labour have opposed, limiting benefits and cutting
:56:32. > :56:37.immigration, creating the conditions for growth and healing our economy,
:56:37. > :56:41.not going back to the deficit nightmare they left us with, but
:56:41. > :56:45.these policies are right for Britain and myself and colleagues will be
:56:45. > :56:51.working every day to make that case and I am confident that once we have
:56:51. > :56:54.made that, we will be in a strong position in two years time. Fabian
:56:54. > :56:59.Hamilton, do you believe voters will see Ed Miliband as a prime
:57:00. > :57:05.Minister? Yes, I do because they want the Labour Party back. That is
:57:05. > :57:07.the message I am getting. People are fed up of the politics of division
:57:08. > :57:12.and despair. The Government sees no hope in the future and we do offer
:57:12. > :57:20.hope, we collect live as a party, this is about what a Labour Cabinet
:57:20. > :57:23.and government can do and offer the people of our constituencies. I know
:57:23. > :57:28.people who want to work but are disabled, people who want to work
:57:28. > :57:33.but they cannot get a job because the economy is flat. Julian got me
:57:33. > :57:37.thinking that the economy is doing well as Mike Julian may be thinking
:57:37. > :57:42.that people are suffering and the cuts to social security benefits are
:57:42. > :57:48.biting deep for people who need that Social Security, and that safety net
:57:48. > :57:54.and finding that it has been taken away. People left to starve because
:57:54. > :58:01.he could not make an appointment because he was in hospital and they
:58:01. > :58:06.said they were cutting his benefit. That is not fair. Is that fair?
:58:06. > :58:09.is not the most ringing endorsement of his leader by Fabian Hamilton. To
:58:09. > :58:16.make sure we are in the side of people getting up and working hard,
:58:16. > :58:20.that those people are struggling, we help them. And that we keep mortgage
:58:20. > :58:28.rates low, keep the cost of living low and we help grow the economy and
:58:28. > :58:31.those growth predictions are beginning to take pace and I am
:58:31. > :58:34.confident... Ed Miliband will leaders into an election victory and
:58:34. > :58:38.will make an excellent prime minister but this is not just about
:58:38. > :58:43.him, it is about what this party can offer in terms of values it puts to
:58:43. > :58:47.the British people and the policies that spring to our philosophy.
:58:47. > :58:53.have opposed our immigration and welfare reforms, what are you
:58:53. > :58:59.actually standing for, Fabian? It is not clear. For a fairer and more
:58:59. > :59:02.just society. Can I come in here, please? The two big parties trying
:59:02. > :59:05.to slag each other than score political points. They are the
:59:05. > :59:10.same. Further integration with Europe, one in five people are
:59:10. > :59:15.having to borrow to eat but yet they are still happy to spend �53 million
:59:15. > :59:23.a day on Europe. That is just one issue. Not one of them are coming up
:59:23. > :59:30.with any common-sense policies. The only party that will do is UKIP.
:59:30. > :59:33.know what you are against, when will we see some positive policies?
:59:33. > :59:37.health and taxation, we have a complete and full manifesto, not
:59:37. > :59:44.just about Europe will stop with the chance to carry it through otherwise
:59:44. > :59:50.we will get more of the same. There is no difference between liberal,
:59:50. > :59:57.Labour and Conservative policies. That is complete nonsense. And why
:59:57. > :00:00.were you not opposed to our nuclear deterrent? Nuclear weapons money
:00:00. > :00:06.spent, why do we have those, why are we not spending that money on the
:00:06. > :00:12.people that need it and regenerating our economy? I am sorry but... Our
:00:12. > :00:19.manifesto is to get the country back up to scratch. How will you do it,
:00:19. > :00:23.leave the EU, is that the only and, that is we ever hear? Stop the
:00:23. > :00:27.opendoor immigration. Immigration has been going down for years.
:00:27. > :00:32.it is your party that caused the huge amount of debt we are in now.
:00:32. > :00:40.You would have let the banks fail? And that millions of people lose
:00:40. > :00:50.their money? Squandering money and put this. Like the health service
:00:50. > :00:50.
:00:51. > :00:54.and the education? The disingenuous policy of... Julian Smith, do you
:00:54. > :00:59.accept that people are fed up with the political establishment, whether
:00:59. > :01:03.it is you, Labour or the Lib Dems? We must all work flat out mail to
:01:03. > :01:08.make sure we convince people of the importance of politics and the
:01:08. > :01:11.importance of the changes that the Government is making. The 2010
:01:11. > :01:18.intake of Conservative MPs are some of the brightest, most interesting