:01:25. > :01:35.Lincolnshire, claims that not enough is being done to stop the
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:42:11. > :42:16.radicalisation of young people by Politics for Yorkshire and
:42:16. > :42:19.Lincolnshire. Coming up today: We look at claims that not enough is
:42:19. > :42:24.being done to stop the radicalisation of young people by
:42:24. > :42:28.those who promote terrorism. Plus, we look at calls to
:42:28. > :42:37.renationalise what remains of our coal industry. First, let's say
:42:37. > :42:42.hello to our guests today. Hugh Bayley is the Labour MP for York
:42:42. > :42:47.Central, and Stuart Andrew the Conservative MP for Pudsey. Plenty
:42:47. > :42:52.to talk about in the aftermath of the killing of Drummer Lee Rigby.
:42:52. > :42:59.Are we in danger in many areas of losing the battle, where many young
:42:59. > :43:03.Muslim men are concerned, to those who preach hate? The overwhelming
:43:03. > :43:08.majority of Muslims are decent people who believe in their faith
:43:08. > :43:13.and play a positive part in our community. When you get people who
:43:13. > :43:21.profess Islam as their faith who engage in terrorism, it is wrong to
:43:21. > :43:27.see that as a reflection of Muslims or Muslim culture in Britain.
:43:27. > :43:34.Government has set up a task force to tackle extremism. Is that an
:43:34. > :43:42.admission that previous strategies have failed? Let us get this into
:43:42. > :43:47.perspective. What was interesting was the figure that showed a higher
:43:47. > :43:55.80% of Muslims classed themselves as proud of being British. I remember
:43:55. > :43:59.being in London after the seven seven bombings -- wrote in
:43:59. > :44:02.millennium Square after the bombings, with placards saying not
:44:02. > :44:07.in my name. But we have to be targeted to make sure that we stop
:44:07. > :44:13.young man, not just Muslim young men, other young men who feel
:44:13. > :44:15.perhaps disenfranchised, of going to the extremes.
:44:15. > :44:18.Following the London bombings in July 2005, the then Labour
:44:18. > :44:21.Government set up the Prevent programme - which aimed to stop
:44:21. > :44:24.young people being targeted by groups supporting terrorism. The
:44:24. > :44:26.coalition Government then reviewed the Prevent scheme in 2011 and cut
:44:27. > :44:29.the budget - claiming it had uncovered serious failings. But now
:44:30. > :44:37.there are concerns that in many areas, there's little or no money
:44:37. > :44:47.for projects which aim to spot those who are vulnerable to extremism.
:44:47. > :44:50.
:44:50. > :44:54.Sharon Edwards reports from Lincolnshire.
:44:54. > :44:58.This is about identifying those individuals who might be vulnerable
:44:58. > :45:02.to extremism. A lesson on how to spot the signs that somebody is
:45:03. > :45:09.being drawn to radicalism. Workshops like this being delivered to local
:45:09. > :45:14.Government workers in Lincoln are part of the government's strategy to
:45:14. > :45:19.stamp out extremism at the roots. Anybody working in the public sector
:45:19. > :45:24.at the front line is in a good position to identify vulnerability.
:45:24. > :45:34.It may be those individuals who are perhaps marginalised, perhaps they
:45:34. > :45:35.
:45:35. > :45:39.are seeking an identity. Lincolnshire is way down the
:45:39. > :45:45.Government 's pecking order when it comes to projects like Havant, which
:45:45. > :45:50.has not had a single penny of funding in the last five years. But
:45:50. > :45:57.critics say the focus must now be on the grassroots, in regions such as
:45:57. > :46:02.this. Last week the Grimsby Islamic
:46:02. > :46:07.cultural Centre was attacked twice in three days. Both incidents
:46:07. > :46:13.followed the death of Drummer Lee Rigby in Woolwich. The family of one
:46:13. > :46:23.of those suspected of this house near Lincoln which has been searched
:46:23. > :46:25.
:46:25. > :46:28.by police. This is Lincolnshire's secretary of the overseas Fellowship
:46:28. > :46:38.of Nigerian Christians, which warned this week that its young men are
:46:38. > :46:43.
:46:43. > :46:48.being targeted by extremists. What a Government can do is provide support
:46:48. > :46:55.organisations in the community. They are not doing enough at the moment
:46:55. > :47:01.is to help. Those views are echoed by Muslim leaders in the county.
:47:01. > :47:06.Almost all Muslims have totally condemned what happened last week.
:47:06. > :47:09.But I think there is always need, because this is an issue with
:47:09. > :47:14.damaging more than based on community, so Muslim leaders, we
:47:14. > :47:22.need to work more with the police and the authorities to make sure we
:47:22. > :47:27.remove some misunderstanding about Islam. This week, Yvette Cooper told
:47:27. > :47:31.a national newspaper that the coalition Government has drained the
:47:31. > :47:34.prevent programme of funding. The Home Office told us that the
:47:34. > :47:40.Government is to set up a task force to examine what needs to be done
:47:40. > :47:44.across the country. Lincolnshire has never received central Government
:47:44. > :47:48.funding. There are 25 priority areas in the country that do receive
:47:48. > :47:55.Government funding, but Lincolnshire has not been part of that. It is
:47:55. > :47:58.really about is making use of the resources we have at our disposal.
:47:58. > :48:03.Both police and faith groups in Lincolnshire say they are working
:48:03. > :48:08.hard to win the hearts and minds of those vulnerable to extremism.
:48:08. > :48:14.Others ask how successful they can be, as long as Britain continues to
:48:14. > :48:20.wage war against terror in Afghanistan and Iraq.
:48:21. > :48:24.We have also been joined by a professor from the University of
:48:25. > :48:30.York who is also an elder at York mosque where an interesting incident
:48:30. > :48:35.took place last weekend. There was a protest by the English defence
:48:35. > :48:43.league. Instead of sharing the protesters away, what people did was
:48:44. > :48:52.invite them in 40. Why did you do that? We thought that three on a
:48:52. > :48:56.Sunday afternoon with a custard cream is very English, and if we
:48:56. > :49:04.present that to the EDL people they may say, that is English tradition.
:49:04. > :49:08.We will accept your tradition. Rather than shouting at each other
:49:08. > :49:13.from a distance, they will say, we will listen to each other and we
:49:13. > :49:23.will try to understand any grievances. She had other mosques do
:49:23. > :49:23.
:49:23. > :49:30.the same? -- wrote should other mosques do the same? In the last ten
:49:30. > :49:34.years since nine macro, the pressure has been so much that people have
:49:34. > :49:42.not known how to react. I hope we will encourage more people to do a
:49:42. > :49:50.similar act. So why do you think a minority of young Muslim men
:49:50. > :49:54.particularly fall prey to this kind of radicalisation? I suppose the
:49:54. > :50:01.misunderstanding, and I think if we can learn anything from the last ten
:50:01. > :50:05.or 15 years, we need people to talk to each other, and any wrong
:50:05. > :50:13.ideology ought to be challenged. I am making a plea to the Home
:50:13. > :50:19.Secretary, to stop anybody coming to universities and putting their
:50:19. > :50:27.ideology. -- wrote on the contrary, we need to challenge them and make
:50:27. > :50:34.them see that it is so shallow and wrong. Should we be silencing the
:50:34. > :50:37.preachers of hate? We have got to act, because there are some people
:50:37. > :50:40.preaching words that are not acceptable. We do not want
:50:40. > :50:46.honourable young people being subject to that. I think the
:50:47. > :50:51.reaction is the mosque have taken are a great idea. I think greater
:50:51. > :50:55.integration will solve this problem. When we have people engaged in
:50:55. > :50:58.society and communities mixing better, we have a much better
:50:58. > :51:07.understanding of each other's point of view. We will solve these
:51:07. > :51:10.problems in a much better way. we heard that after the attacks in
:51:10. > :51:17.2001 and 2005. Why do we still have a problem with a lack of
:51:17. > :51:21.understanding of each other's cultures? A lot of good work has
:51:21. > :51:26.been done. Countless times I have sat on the floor in a mosque and
:51:26. > :51:30.discussed the issues and grievances often to do with foreign policy
:51:30. > :51:36.which are on the minds of Muslims, and the way to resolve these issues
:51:36. > :51:41.is to talk about them. If Muslims who want a change in foreign
:51:41. > :51:46.policy, they need to talk to their MP. The mosque in York has a good
:51:46. > :51:53.track record of dialogue with the community. Every year, this was not
:51:53. > :52:03.just a one off, they are holding an open meeting with the public. So a
:52:03. > :52:03.
:52:03. > :52:07.lot of really good work is being done. Does that mean that there are
:52:07. > :52:13.no extremists still? Know, but we ought to recognise that by doing
:52:13. > :52:19.this kind of prevent work, it is part of the strategy to deal with
:52:19. > :52:25.extremism, are very important part. Doesn't Government foreign policy
:52:25. > :52:32.still have a lot to answer for? not going to defend actions taken by
:52:32. > :52:38.the previous Government, but I will say that there are areas where
:52:38. > :52:42.things are, David Cameron has done amazing work like a conference on
:52:42. > :52:45.the future of Somalia. So we can improve the lives of Muslims in
:52:45. > :52:52.other parts of the world as well as look at some of the mistakes that
:52:52. > :52:58.may have been made. The foreign policy is an issue, but I'm a member
:52:58. > :53:01.marching with about 3 million others during the preparation to attack
:53:01. > :53:06.Iraq. -- wrote I remember. We marched through the streets of
:53:06. > :53:10.London pleading with the Prime Minister of the time not to go to
:53:10. > :53:18.war and take our country into war and kill innocent people. He made
:53:18. > :53:24.that mistake, but we have at least exercised our democratic right to
:53:24. > :53:30.march and say to our politicians, don't do it. We have a problem with
:53:30. > :53:35.the prevent project, it was not intelligent in my opinion because it
:53:35. > :53:39.set people against each other. It was almost as if, as people in
:53:39. > :53:43.society to spy on others. That is not the way to do it. Can I also
:53:43. > :53:47.make another plea, perhaps to the Minister of education, and say,
:53:47. > :53:54.would you please listen to the head teachers and the teaching unions,
:53:54. > :53:59.and Winston Churchill is not just a British and intelligent and
:53:59. > :54:04.fantastic man, he is a world figure and we are proud of him. If he had
:54:04. > :54:10.not stood up to Hitler and his like, what would the world have been? But
:54:10. > :54:17.how about Nelson Mandela or Mahatma Gandhi, or that Imam of the mosque
:54:17. > :54:23.in Paris who forged over 150 certificates to fellow Jews, saying
:54:23. > :54:28.they are Muslims. We need to teach our young people, right at a young
:54:28. > :54:38.age, that we all live together on this planet, we have all got to live
:54:38. > :54:39.
:54:39. > :54:43.together. -- row work together. -- work together. I think you can
:54:43. > :54:46.always improve programmes. I am not going to get into a political
:54:47. > :54:49.argument about cutting the money. I am pleased to say the Government is
:54:49. > :54:53.looking once again into what you could do with public education
:54:53. > :54:58.programmes, and you need to listen most of all to what Muslims are
:54:58. > :55:07.saying because they are, day in, day out, talking about these issues in
:55:07. > :55:10.the mosque and trying to win back lost souls from the extremists.
:55:10. > :55:14.Once upon a time, the mighty coal industry employed thousands in our
:55:14. > :55:17.part of the world. Now, you can count the number of working pits on
:55:17. > :55:20.one hand. The company which emerged from the privatisation programme in
:55:20. > :55:25.the 1990s - UK Coal - runs just one deep mine in Yorkshire at
:55:25. > :55:27.Kellingley. Now, in an ironic twist, there are calls for the Government
:55:27. > :55:37.to re-nationalise what remains of our coal industry. Here's Len
:55:37. > :55:41.
:55:41. > :55:47.Storm clouds are gathering over one of Yorkshire 's last deep coal
:55:47. > :55:51.mines, despite record output and a full order book. But its operator is
:55:51. > :55:59.on the brink of economic disaster. Is there any chance at all but we
:55:59. > :56:07.could see the whole lot closed down? Yes, there is a real danger. Here we
:56:07. > :56:14.are, 40% of coal coming from Kellingley. We do play an important
:56:14. > :56:19.part. The reason for this crisis lies over 100 miles south at this
:56:19. > :56:25.mill near Coventry. 12 weeks ago a devastating underground fire shut it
:56:25. > :56:29.down for ever. It was the biggest and most profitable of the last
:56:29. > :56:33.three pits operated by UK Coal. leaves the future of Kellingley and
:56:33. > :56:39.the company 's only other working pit in Nottinghamshire in jeopardy.
:56:39. > :56:43.But with the once mighty coal industry reduced to so few deep
:56:43. > :56:48.mines, does it matter? Just down the road lies the answer. Three of
:56:48. > :56:52.your's biggest power stations are in Yorkshire, still largely dependent
:56:52. > :56:58.on burning coal. The steam from the cooling towers shows how busy they
:56:58. > :57:03.are. Every working day this week, 40% of all the electricity used in
:57:03. > :57:09.the country was generated by coal-fired power stations. But not
:57:09. > :57:15.all is using British Coal. Eight out of every ten times is important. But
:57:15. > :57:23.that still leaves a fair chunk, a strategically important part of our
:57:23. > :57:28.electricity supply, depending on British coal.
:57:28. > :57:32.Back in the 1940s there was a similar but much faster issue for
:57:33. > :57:42.our country even more dependent on coal. Private mining companies could
:57:42. > :57:46.not afford to modernise the pits, so the Government stepped in.
:57:46. > :57:51.As a nationalised industry, through decades of bitter industrial action,
:57:51. > :57:56.competition from oil, gas and nuclear energy sources, it ran for
:57:56. > :58:01.the next 48 years. But by the time it was sold off, it was down to less
:58:01. > :58:04.than two dozen pits, eight of them in Yorkshire, and that decline has
:58:04. > :58:12.continued under private ownership. So is the only and so now
:58:12. > :58:16.renationalisation? There is going to be no renationalisation here. The
:58:16. > :58:22.cull is owned by the Government, and we are licensed to operate it, but
:58:22. > :58:27.beyond that there is no nationalisation. But private
:58:27. > :58:35.companies could not make a profit running the East Coast train
:58:35. > :58:42.services, so for the past four years they have been in public ownership.
:58:42. > :58:48.It is on a similar basis to the east Coast Main line, which is a failed
:58:49. > :58:55.franchise. Who will carry on running UK Coal? There is no reason to say
:58:55. > :59:00.we cannot do the same. I have been involved in being a go-between, and
:59:00. > :59:04.I know that the Government has been talking to UK Coal closely way back
:59:04. > :59:09.to when the mill fire started. On a daily basis there has been
:59:09. > :59:13.interaction between the company and the Government. I am hopeful that a
:59:13. > :59:21.compromise can be found. It is crucial that we keep coal mining
:59:21. > :59:24.here in the UK. The Department of energy has confirmed it is in
:59:24. > :59:29.serious discussions, with an announcement expected soon. There
:59:29. > :59:33.seems to be a growing head of steam for UK Coal to be renationalised.
:59:33. > :59:43.It could be the only way to save what is left of the coal industry,
:59:43. > :59:46.couldn't it? I don't think it is the only way. Nigel has been marvellous
:59:46. > :59:50.in making sure that Government are completely aware of the importance
:59:50. > :59:54.of those local jobs here in Yorkshire, and they are looking at a
:59:54. > :59:58.way forward. The Government have been in daily contact with UK Coal
:59:58. > :00:04.to find a solution. These problems have not happened overnight, they
:00:04. > :00:09.have been over a number of years. There is also the large pension pot
:00:09. > :00:14.liability. So it is not necessarily the case that we are going to have
:00:14. > :00:20.to just nationalise, there may be another compromise agreement.
:00:20. > :00:27.Coal apparently has a pension deficit of �500 million. If it is
:00:27. > :00:37.renationalised, it will be at a price to the taxpayer, would it?
:00:37. > :00:44.
:00:44. > :00:48.There is an irony that Conservative ministers, who are known mostly for
:00:48. > :00:55.privatisation, are now talking about renationalisation. But we have to
:00:55. > :00:58.maintain the coal industry. It is rather like when the banks failed
:00:58. > :01:04.under the Labour Government. If the Labour Government had not run up a
:01:04. > :01:09.deficit and rescued Lloyds TSB and Halifax, millions of British people
:01:09. > :01:12.would have lost their life savings and gone out of business. So the
:01:12. > :01:20.Government needs to make sure that we retain this strategically
:01:20. > :01:24.important asset. Whether it is long-term private ownership is not
:01:24. > :01:29.the issue, if it is short-term intervention, I believe the
:01:29. > :01:33.Government should intervene. But it would be the extreme irony, a
:01:33. > :01:37.conservative led Government renationalisation in the industry.
:01:37. > :01:43.It is easy to look at examples of this where there have been
:01:43. > :01:46.difficulties, but there have been huge successes. British Telecom
:01:46. > :01:50.transformed the telecommunications industry through privatisation, and
:01:50. > :01:55.there are many other examples to demonstrate. But what is important
:01:55. > :01:59.here is not having that ideological argument now, let what we can do to
:01:59. > :02:03.secure these jobs. That is a very successful pit here in Yorkshire,
:02:03. > :02:10.and furthermore we are going to hopefully see with carbon capture
:02:10. > :02:20.that there is a future for the coal industry in this country.
:02:20. > :02:23.
:02:23. > :02:28.Now, our round-up in 60 seconds. Is the �32 billion cost of high
:02:28. > :02:37.speed rail worth it? Wakefield Council 's leader has been joined by
:02:37. > :02:40.Bradford's saying the money could be better spent. What we seem to have
:02:40. > :02:46.is a one touch approach to getting infrastructure to wear these jobs
:02:46. > :02:51.already are. When is a spare bedroom not a spare bedroom? Needs council
:02:51. > :02:54.is now relabelling them as non-specific areas, so tenants will
:02:54. > :03:03.not lose housing benefit payments. The Conservative group leader is not
:03:03. > :03:10.happy. That means you reduce the amount of income you get.
:03:10. > :03:15.And Newark Conservative MP, Patrick Mercer, has resigned from the party
:03:15. > :03:23.he says to avoid any embarrassment. The BBC's Panorama is expected to
:03:23. > :03:28.accuse him of breaking house of commons rules.
:03:28. > :03:31.A number of Labour councils are trying to redefine spare bedrooms.
:03:31. > :03:40.This is Labour councils sticking two fingers up at the Government, isn't
:03:40. > :03:48.it? The law says if a room is lower than eight x 8', it doesn't count a
:03:48. > :03:56.bedroom. I have a ludicrous case of foster mother who is fostering three
:03:56. > :04:03.children three has died -- she has one border in one bedroom, and to in
:04:03. > :04:06.the other bedroom, but she still has to pay the bedroom taxed on the
:04:06. > :04:14.third bedroom because foster carers under this scheme are only allowed
:04:14. > :04:18.to be exempt for one bedroom. If she has to stop fostering, it would cost
:04:18. > :04:26.the Government something like �1400 a week to put these children in a
:04:26. > :04:32.care home. She gets �60 a week as a foster carer. Can you blame Leeds
:04:32. > :04:36.City Council sticking up for its tenants? I get people coming into my
:04:36. > :04:41.constituency surgeries who are overcrowded, and they have got more
:04:41. > :04:45.children in one bedroom, and that is not acceptable. Something like
:04:46. > :04:52.250,000 people are in that position. So that needs tackling two, plus we