19/03/2017

:00:35. > :00:38.It's Sunday morning and this is the Sunday Politics.

:00:39. > :00:41.She faces huge political fights over Brexit, Scottish independence,

:00:42. > :00:54.After a tumultuous political week, we'll analyse the PM's prospects.

:00:55. > :00:56.With chatter increasing about a possible early General Election,

:00:57. > :01:01.Jeremy Corbyn's campaign chief joins me live.

:01:02. > :01:04.NHS bosses warn health services in England are facing "mission

:01:05. > :01:08.impossible" and waiting times for operations will rocket,

:01:09. > :01:11.unless hospitals are given more cash this year.

:01:12. > :01:17.Here in Yorkshire and Lincolnshire: Providers joins me live.

:01:18. > :01:21.3,000 people will die early because of air pollution.

:01:22. > :01:26.Is it now a bigger threat to public health than obesity?

:01:27. > :01:37.All that to come before 12:15pm, and I'll also be talking

:01:38. > :01:39.to the former leader of the Liberal Democrats Nick Clegg

:01:40. > :01:41.from his party's spring conference in York.

:01:42. > :01:46.With me here in the studio, throughout the programme,

:01:47. > :01:48.three of the country's top political commentators:

:01:49. > :01:54.Tom Newton Dunn, Isabel Oakeshott and Steve Richards.

:01:55. > :01:56.They'll be tweeting their thoughts using #bbcsp.

:01:57. > :01:59.So, the political challenges facing Theresa May are stacking up.

:02:00. > :02:04.As well as negotiating Britain's exit from the EU,

:02:05. > :02:08.the PM must now deal with SNP demands for a second referendum

:02:09. > :02:12.on Scottish independence, backbenchers agitating against cuts

:02:13. > :02:15.to school budgets, and a humiliated Chancellor forced to u-turn on a key

:02:16. > :02:20.budget measure just one week after announcing it.

:02:21. > :02:22.Here's Adam Fleming on aturbulent political week

:02:23. > :02:39.Monday, 11:30am, TV crews gather in the residence of the First

:02:40. > :02:40.Minister of Scotland, who's got a surprise.

:02:41. > :02:43.She wants a vote on whether Scotland should leave the UK

:02:44. > :02:48.By taking the steps I have set out today I am ensuring that Scotland's

:02:49. > :02:50.future will be decided, not just by me, the

:02:51. > :02:51.Scottish Government, or the

:02:52. > :02:54.SNP, it will be decided by the people of Scotland.

:02:55. > :03:03.Westminster, 6:25pm the same day, MPs reject

:03:04. > :03:07.amendments to the legislation authorising the Prime Minister to

:03:08. > :03:21.The Bill ceremonially heads to the Lords where peers abandoned

:03:22. > :03:23.attempts to change it and it becomes law.

:03:24. > :03:30.But Downing Street doesn't trigger Article 50 as many had expected.

:03:31. > :03:32.Some say they were spooked by Nicola Sturgeon.

:03:33. > :03:49.We get an e-mail from the Treasury can the

:03:50. > :03:50.We get an e-mail from the Treasury cancelling

:03:51. > :04:02.the planned rise in National Insurance for

:04:03. > :04:03.the self-employed announced the budget.

:04:04. > :04:05.It's just minutes before Prime Minister's Questions at noon.

:04:06. > :04:07.The trend towards greater self-employment does create a

:04:08. > :04:10.We will bring forward further proposals

:04:11. > :04:13.but we will not bring forward increases to NICs later in this

:04:14. > :04:17.It seems to me like a government in a bit of chaos here.

:04:18. > :04:20.By making this change today we are listening to our colleagues

:04:21. > :04:23.fulfil both the letter and the spirit of our manifesto tax

:04:24. > :04:33.Thursday, 7am, Conservative campaign HQ and the

:04:34. > :04:35.Electoral Commission fines the party ?70,000 for misreporting spending

:04:36. > :04:38.But that's not what the Prime Minister

:04:39. > :04:44.Because at 12:19pm she gives her verdict on a

:04:45. > :04:49.We should be working together, not pulling apart.

:04:50. > :04:51.We should be working together to get that

:04:52. > :04:52.right deal for Scotland, that

:04:53. > :04:57.So, as I say, that's my job as Prime Minister and

:04:58. > :05:01.so for that reason I say to the SNP now is not the time.

:05:02. > :05:03.Friday and time for the faithful to gather.

:05:04. > :05:05.SNP activists at their spring conference

:05:06. > :05:16.Conservatives in Cardiff to hear the Prime Minister

:05:17. > :05:19.promote her plan for a more meritocratic Brexit Britain.

:05:20. > :05:21.At 11:10am comes some news about a newspaper that's frankly

:05:22. > :05:28.I'm thrilled and excited to be the new editor of The

:05:29. > :05:30.Evening Standard and, you know, with so many

:05:31. > :05:32.big issues in our world what

:05:33. > :05:37.good analysis, great news journalism.

:05:38. > :05:42.It's a really important time for good journalism that The

:05:43. > :05:44.Evening Standard is going to provide.

:05:45. > :05:51.There was no let-up yesterday as Gordon Brown launched proposals

:05:52. > :05:56.Under my proposals we keep the Barnett

:05:57. > :05:59.Formula, we keep the fiscal transfers, but we also bring the

:06:00. > :06:04.and fisheries back to the Scottish Parliament.

:06:05. > :06:07.And just think, all this and we're still counting down to the

:06:08. > :06:24.What a week in politics. It has been a torrid week for the government,

:06:25. > :06:29.Isabel Oakeshott, but does Theresa May shake it off, or is this a sign

:06:30. > :06:32.of worse to come? We may all be feeling a bit breathless after the

:06:33. > :06:40.events of last week and we are in for a a long war of attrition with

:06:41. > :06:43.the SNP, Nicola Sturgeon's strategy will be to foster over lengthy

:06:44. > :06:49.periods of time as much resentment and anger as she can in Scotland and

:06:50. > :06:53.try to create the impression that independence is somehow inevitable.

:06:54. > :06:57.Is Scotland the biggest challenge for Theresa May in the next year or

:06:58. > :07:01.so? I think it probably is because if you look at how relatively easily

:07:02. > :07:05.the Brexit bill went through on an issue where people could hardly feel

:07:06. > :07:09.more passionate in the Commons, and actually despite all the potential

:07:10. > :07:12.drama it has gone through quite smoothly. To go back to your

:07:13. > :07:17.original question, she just carries on. Don't underestimate the basic

:07:18. > :07:22.quiet and will towards Theresa May amongst the majority of Tory

:07:23. > :07:26.backbenchers. Yes, there are difficult little issues over school

:07:27. > :07:29.funding, sorry, it's not a little issue, it is a big one but she will

:07:30. > :07:34.get over that and treat each thing as it comes and keep pressing on.

:07:35. > :07:38.Has she not called Nicola Sturgeon's Bluff in that the First Minister

:07:39. > :07:43.said I want a referendum, here is roughly when I wanted, the Prime

:07:44. > :07:47.Minister says you're not having one. What happens next? She has done

:07:48. > :07:52.quite well and impact the progress Theresa May made this week in

:07:53. > :07:56.frustrating Nicola Sturgeon was evident when Nicola Sturgeon said,

:07:57. > :07:59.OK, maybe we can talk about the timing after. Nicola Sturgeon has

:08:00. > :08:02.already been the first one to blink. I would slightly disagree with

:08:03. > :08:07.Isabel Oakeshott, I don't agree Scotland will be the biggest hurdle

:08:08. > :08:12.for her. What this week showed as is Theresa May... It was a reality

:08:13. > :08:15.bites week. Theresa May is juggling four mammoth crises at the same

:08:16. > :08:18.time, Brexit obviously which I still think will be the biggest challenge

:08:19. > :08:25.to get a good deal, Trump left field who popped up at GCHQ on Friday and

:08:26. > :08:31.Scotland and the fiscal challenge, this enormous great problem, and it

:08:32. > :08:37.reinforced the point this is not an easy time in politics. The budget is

:08:38. > :08:40.over four years. That was one small problem, the immediate problem is

:08:41. > :08:44.how to fill the social care crisis and the ageing demographic. This is

:08:45. > :08:47.not normal times in British politics and Theresa May does not have a

:08:48. > :08:51.normal workload on her plate, hence why I think we will see more

:08:52. > :08:56.mistakes made as time goes on and as she has this almost impossible

:08:57. > :08:59.workload to juggle. How tempted do you think the Prime Minister is to

:09:00. > :09:05.call an early election? There is more chatter about it now. Is she

:09:06. > :09:08.tempted and if there is will she succumb? I will answer that in a

:09:09. > :09:12.second as Harold Wilson used to say. I want to agree, disagree with the

:09:13. > :09:15.rest of the panel about how she has out manipulated Nicola Sturgeon this

:09:16. > :09:20.week. I think Nicola Sturgeon expected Theresa May to say no to

:09:21. > :09:25.her expected timetable. It would be amazing if she had said yes. She

:09:26. > :09:28.expected her to say no but Sturgeon catalyst that will fuel support for

:09:29. > :09:34.her cause. There is no sign of that. The latest poll this morning shows

:09:35. > :09:40.66-44 against independence and only 13% think they would be better off

:09:41. > :09:44.with an independent Scotland and a clear majority do not want a second

:09:45. > :09:47.referendum. But the calculation of resistance from Westminster combined

:09:48. > :09:51.with Brexit which hasn't started yet, I think this is her

:09:52. > :09:55.calculation, she didn't expect Theresa May to say, sure, go ahead,

:09:56. > :09:59.I'm sure she expected Theresa May to say no, you can't have it at your

:10:00. > :10:04.desired timetable. On the wider point, I think Theresa May is in a

:10:05. > :10:07.fascinating position, she is both strong because she faces weak

:10:08. > :10:12.opposition and is ahead in the opinion polls. But faces the most

:10:13. > :10:17.daunting agenda of any Prime Minister for 40 or 50 years, I

:10:18. > :10:20.think. So it's a weird combination. I don't think she wants to call an

:10:21. > :10:23.election. I don't think she has thought about how you would

:10:24. > :10:27.manipulate it, what the trigger would be, and whether she's got the

:10:28. > :10:33.energy and space to prepare for and then mount a campaign was beginning

:10:34. > :10:38.the Brexit negotiation. Now, you could see the cause would be the

:10:39. > :10:41.small majorities that will make her life hellish, which it will do.

:10:42. > :10:45.Whether a landslide would help is another question, they can be

:10:46. > :10:50.difficult too. But I think the problems outweigh the advantages of

:10:51. > :10:53.going early. Do you think she would go for an early election? I don't

:10:54. > :10:57.and I think you have to look at the rhetoric coming out of No 10 which

:10:58. > :11:00.is so firm on this question, it is a delicious prospect for us as

:11:01. > :11:03.commentators to think there might be an election around the corner but

:11:04. > :11:08.they are so firm on this I can't see it happening. I agree, we are in

:11:09. > :11:11.unanimous agreement on this one. It is superficially attractive because

:11:12. > :11:14.she would love the big majority and she would get a lot more through

:11:15. > :11:18.Parliament especially with Brexit. The nitty-gritty of it makes an

:11:19. > :11:23.early General Election this year almost impossible. How do you write

:11:24. > :11:27.a manifesto on high Brexit versus soft Brexit, it opens up a Pandora's

:11:28. > :11:32.box of uncertainties. And there is enough with the European elections.

:11:33. > :11:35.The EU will say are we negotiating with you or the person who may

:11:36. > :11:39.replace you? How do you keep the Tory party united going to an

:11:40. > :11:43.election? How do you call one, with a vote of no confidence in yourself

:11:44. > :11:45.you may end up losing. Easy on paper but difficult in practice. We shall

:11:46. > :11:46.see. So if Theresa May did go

:11:47. > :11:49.for an early election this spring, The party's campaigns

:11:50. > :12:00.and elections chief Andrew Gwynne Andrew Gwynne, the government, as we

:12:01. > :12:02.have just been talking about, executed one of the most

:12:03. > :12:06.embarrassing U-turns in recent history this week. It has been a

:12:07. > :12:10.torrid time for the Theresa May government. Why are the Tories still

:12:11. > :12:14.so chipper? The Labour Party has been on an

:12:15. > :12:17.early election footing since before Christmas and we are preparing

:12:18. > :12:21.ourselves for that eventuality in case that does come. That means that

:12:22. > :12:26.we've got to get ourselves into a position whereby we can not only

:12:27. > :12:32.challenge the government but we can also offer a valuable alternative

:12:33. > :12:38.for the British people to choose from should that election arise. So,

:12:39. > :12:41.would you welcome an early General Election? Well, of course, I don't

:12:42. > :12:45.want this government to be in power so of course if there is an

:12:46. > :12:48.opportunity to put a case to the British people as to why there is a

:12:49. > :12:54.better way, and I believe the Labour way is the better way than of course

:12:55. > :12:59.we would want to put that case to the country. So, would Labour vote

:13:00. > :13:03.in the Commons for an early election? Well, of course as an

:13:04. > :13:07.opposition, not wanting to be in opposition, wanting to be in

:13:08. > :13:10.government should the government put forward a measure in accordance with

:13:11. > :13:14.the Fixed-term Parliaments Act then that's something we would very

:13:15. > :13:18.seriously have to consider. I know you would have to consider it but

:13:19. > :13:22.would you vote for an early election or not? Well, of course we want to

:13:23. > :13:25.be the government so if the current government puts forward measures to

:13:26. > :13:29.bring forward a General Election we would want to put our case to the

:13:30. > :13:34.British public and that's one of the jobs that I've been given, together

:13:35. > :13:38.Labour Party organisation early into a position where we can fight a

:13:39. > :13:42.General Election -- organisationally. For the avoidance

:13:43. > :13:47.of doubt, if the Government work to issue a motion in the Commons for an

:13:48. > :13:50.early election, the Labour Party would vote for an early election?

:13:51. > :13:54.It would be very difficult not, Andrew. If the Government wants to

:13:55. > :13:58.dissolve parliament, wants a General Election, we don't want the Tories

:13:59. > :14:02.in government, we want to be in government and we want to have that

:14:03. > :14:05.opportunity to put that case to the British people.

:14:06. > :14:13.Are you ready for an early election? You say you have been on a war all

:14:14. > :14:16.but since the Labour conference last autumn, but are you ready for one?

:14:17. > :14:19.How big is the election fighting fund? We have substantial amounts of

:14:20. > :14:23.money in our fighting fund, that is true, because not only has the

:14:24. > :14:28.Labour Party managed to eliminate its own financial deficit that it

:14:29. > :14:36.inherited from previous election campaigns, we have also managed to

:14:37. > :14:41.build up a substantial fund in the off chance we have an election. We

:14:42. > :14:45.have also expanded massively operations at Labour HQ, we are

:14:46. > :14:49.taking on additional staff, and one of the jobs that myself and Ian

:14:50. > :14:53.Lavery who I job share with are currently doing is to go around the

:14:54. > :14:56.Parliamentary Labour Party to make sure that Labour colleagues have the

:14:57. > :15:00.support and the resources that they need, should they have to face the

:15:01. > :15:04.electorate in their constituencies. So you are on a war footing, ready

:15:05. > :15:08.for the fight, you say you would vote for the fight, so have you got

:15:09. > :15:14.your tax and spend policies ready to roll out? That is something the

:15:15. > :15:18.shadow Treasury team will be discussing. One of the things is, if

:15:19. > :15:21.there is an early General Election, the normal timetable for these

:15:22. > :15:26.things gets fast-track because our policy decision-making body, its

:15:27. > :15:31.annual conference, we have the national policy forum that creates

:15:32. > :15:35.policies suggestions. You have been on a war footing since the last

:15:36. > :15:39.Labour conference, that is what Mr Corbyn told us. So you must have a

:15:40. > :15:44.fair idea of what policies you would fight an early election on. How much

:15:45. > :15:48.extra per year would you spend on the NHS? Well, look, I'm not going

:15:49. > :15:52.to set out the Labour manifesto for an election that hasn't been called.

:15:53. > :15:57.I'm just asking you about the NHS. You must have a policy for that. We

:15:58. > :16:02.have a policy for the NHS. So how much extra? I will not set out

:16:03. > :16:05.Labour's tax-and-spend policies here on The Sunday Politics when there

:16:06. > :16:09.hasn't even been election called. You said you had been on a war

:16:10. > :16:15.footing and you are prepared to vote for one, so if you can't Tommy that,

:16:16. > :16:20.can you tell me what the corporation rate tax on company profits be under

:16:21. > :16:26.a Labour government -- tell me that. You will have to be patient. I have.

:16:27. > :16:29.And wait for Mrs May to trigger an early election. If there is an

:16:30. > :16:34.election on the 4th of May the rich would have to be issued on the 27th

:16:35. > :16:40.of March, so that's not long to wait. If that date passes we aren't

:16:41. > :16:44.having an election on the 4th of May and the normal timetable for policy

:16:45. > :16:48.development will continue. All right. You lost Copeland, I think

:16:49. > :16:52.you were in charge of a by-election for Labour, your national poll

:16:53. > :16:58.ratings are still dire, even after week of terrible times for the

:16:59. > :17:01.Tories. Sometimes you even lose local government by-elections in

:17:02. > :17:06.safe seats, including in the place you are now, in Salford. How long

:17:07. > :17:10.does Mr Corbyn have to turn this around? Well, look, the issue of the

:17:11. > :17:14.Labour leadership was settled last year. The last thing the Labour

:17:15. > :17:18.Party now needs is another period of introspection with the Labour Party

:17:19. > :17:25.merely talks to the Labour Party. We are now on an election footing in

:17:26. > :17:30.case Mrs May does trigger an early General Election. We need to be

:17:31. > :17:34.talking to the British people are not to ourselves. So any speculation

:17:35. > :17:38.about the Labour leadership might excite you in the media but actually

:17:39. > :17:42.for us in the Labour Party it's about re-engaging and reconnecting

:17:43. > :17:46.with the voters. Rather than being excited, I feel quite daunted at the

:17:47. > :17:52.prospect of an early election. So I wouldn't get that right. Normally,

:17:53. > :17:56.given the number of mistakes this government has made, and its

:17:57. > :17:59.mid-term, you would expect any self-respecting opposition to be

:18:00. > :18:05.about ten points ahead. On the latest polls this morning you are 17

:18:06. > :18:09.behind. There is a 27-30 point gap from where you should normally be as

:18:10. > :18:13.an opposition. Are you telling me that if that doesn't change, you

:18:14. > :18:18.still fight the General Election with Mr Corbyn?

:18:19. > :18:26.These are matters for the future. I believe the leadership issue was

:18:27. > :18:30.settled last year. We have had two leadership contest in two years.

:18:31. > :18:35.Would you seriously contemplate going into the next election, if it

:18:36. > :18:40.is early I perfectly understand Jeremy Corbyn is your man, but if it

:18:41. > :18:45.is not until 2020, and you are still 17 points behind in the polls, will

:18:46. > :18:49.you go into the next election like that? There is a lot of future

:18:50. > :18:58.looking and speculation there, I don't know what the future holds,

:18:59. > :19:01.where the Labour Party will be in 12 months let alone by 2020 summit

:19:02. > :19:04.cross those bridges when we come to it. My main challenge is to make

:19:05. > :19:06.sure the Labour Party is in the best possible place organisationally to

:19:07. > :19:09.fight an election, that's my challenge and I'm up for that to

:19:10. > :19:17.make sure we are in the best possible place to make sure Labour

:19:18. > :19:22.returns as many Labour MPs as possible. Thank you for joining us.

:19:23. > :19:24.And we're joined now from the Liberal Democrats' spring

:19:25. > :19:26.conference in York by the former Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg.

:19:27. > :19:35.Good morning. In his conference speech today, Tim Farron lumps

:19:36. > :19:41.Theresa May with Vladimir Putin, Marine Le Pen and Donald Trump. In

:19:42. > :19:49.what way is Mrs May similar to Marine Le Pen? Of course he is not

:19:50. > :19:54.saying Theresa May is identical to Marine Le Pen, I think what Tim

:19:55. > :19:58.Wilby spelling out shortly in his speech is that we need to be aware

:19:59. > :20:05.what's going on in the world, the International settlement that was

:20:06. > :20:11.arrived at after the First World -- Second World War, that bound

:20:12. > :20:16.supranational organisations is under attack from characters as diverse as

:20:17. > :20:21.Vladimir Putin, Marine Le Pen and Donald Trump, and that by side in so

:20:22. > :20:25.ostentatiously with Donald Trump and pursuing this very hard Brexit,

:20:26. > :20:30.Theresa May appears to be giving succour to that much more

:20:31. > :20:33.isolationist chauvinist view of the world than the multilateral approach

:20:34. > :20:39.that Britain has subscribed to for a long time. The exact words he plans

:20:40. > :20:48.to use are welcome to the New World order, Vladimir Putin, Donald Trump,

:20:49. > :20:53.Marine Le Pen, Theresa May, aggressive and teenage to, anti-EU,

:20:54. > :20:57.nationalistic. In what way is Mrs May fitting into any of that? In

:20:58. > :21:04.what way is she similar to Vladimir Putin? I'm not aware she has

:21:05. > :21:09.interfered with other people's elections. The clue is in the quote

:21:10. > :21:13.you just read out, which is the world order. The world order over

:21:14. > :21:18.the last half century or more, by the way a lesson I'm afraid we have

:21:19. > :21:22.to learn in Europe because of the terrible bloodshed of two world was

:21:23. > :21:27.in the space of a few decades, was based on the idea might is not

:21:28. > :21:33.right. Strong arm leaders cannot throw their weight around. What we

:21:34. > :21:39.have now with Putin, the populism across parts of Europe and Donald

:21:40. > :21:45.Trump who thinks the EU will unravel is a shift to a radically different

:21:46. > :21:51.view of the world. Mrs May doesn't think any of that. She is not

:21:52. > :21:56.antenatal, not anti-EU, she says she wants the EU to succeed. She's not

:21:57. > :22:00.aggressive as far as I'm aware so I'm not sure why you would lump the

:22:01. > :22:06.British Prime Minister in with these other characters. Let me explain, by

:22:07. > :22:14.choosing this uncompromising approach to Brexit, clearly in doing

:22:15. > :22:18.so she, in my view, maybe not yours or others, is pursuing a self

:22:19. > :22:21.harming approach to the United Kingdom but also pulling up the

:22:22. > :22:27.threads that bind the rest of the European Union together, in so

:22:28. > :22:31.ostentatiously siding with Donald Trump, somehow declaring in my view

:22:32. > :22:40.speciously that we can make up with the trade we will lose, she's not

:22:41. > :22:45.challenging the shift to a more chauvinist approach to world affairs

:22:46. > :22:50.that is happening in many places. You are at your party's Spring

:22:51. > :22:55.conference, I think we can agree any Lib Dem come back will take a long

:22:56. > :23:00.time. Would Tory dominance be more effectively challenged by a

:23:01. > :23:05.realignment of the centre and the centre-left? Are you working towards

:23:06. > :23:11.that? I missed half the question but I think you are talking about a

:23:12. > :23:15.realignment. As a cook a way to get over Tory dominance, would you want

:23:16. > :23:21.that to happen? Are you working towards that? My view is the

:23:22. > :23:25.recovery of the Lib Dems will be quicker than you suggest. People

:23:26. > :23:29.often forget that even the low point of our fortunes in the last election

:23:30. > :23:34.we still got a million more votes than the SNP, it's only because we

:23:35. > :23:42.have got this crazy electoral system... But the SNP fight in

:23:43. > :23:49.Scotland, you fight in the whole country! But I'm saying the way

:23:50. > :23:57.seats are allocated overlooks the fact that 2.5 million still voted

:23:58. > :24:01.for us. But my own view is of course there are people feeling

:24:02. > :24:05.increasingly homeless in the liberal wing of the Conservative Party

:24:06. > :24:08.because they are now in a party which is in effect indistinguishable

:24:09. > :24:15.from Ukip on some of the biggest issues of the day, and homeless folk

:24:16. > :24:19.on the rational, reasonable wing of the Labour Party. I would invite

:24:20. > :24:23.them to join the Liberal Democrats and I would invite everyone across

:24:24. > :24:28.parties to talk about the idea is that bind us because the Westminster

:24:29. > :24:32.village can invest a lot of energy building new castles in the sky,

:24:33. > :24:36.inventing new names for parties when actually what you want is for people

:24:37. > :24:47.on the progressive centre ground of British politics to talk about the

:24:48. > :24:52.ideas that unite them, from the dilemmas of artificial intelligence

:24:53. > :24:57.to climate change. Do you think in your own view, can Brexit still be

:24:58. > :25:05.thwarted or is it now a matter of getting the best terms? I think we

:25:06. > :25:09.are in an interlude, almost a calm between two storms, the storm of the

:25:10. > :25:14.referendum itself and the collision between the Government's stated

:25:15. > :25:18.ambitions for Brexit and the reality of having to negotiate something

:25:19. > :25:22.unworkable with 27 other governments. The one thing I can

:25:23. > :25:33.guarantee you is that what the Government has promised to the

:25:34. > :25:39.British people cannot happen. Over a slower period of time we will work

:25:40. > :25:43.out our new relationship with the European Union. Theresa May said she

:25:44. > :25:49.will settle divorce arrangements, and pensions, so one, negotiate new

:25:50. > :25:54.trade agreements, new climate change policies and so on, and have all of

:25:55. > :25:58.that ratified within two years, that will not happen so I think there

:25:59. > :26:03.will be a lot of turbulence in the next couple of years. Will you use

:26:04. > :26:10.this turbulence to try to thwart Brexit, to find a way of rolling

:26:11. > :26:14.back the decision? It's not about repeating the debates of the past or

:26:15. > :26:19.thwarting the will of the people but it is comparing what people were

:26:20. > :26:25.promised from the ?350 million for the NHS every week through to this

:26:26. > :26:29.glittering array of new trade agreements we will sign across the

:26:30. > :26:33.world, with the reality that will transpire in the next couple of

:26:34. > :26:37.years and at that point, yes it is my belief people should be able to

:26:38. > :26:42.take a second look at if that is what they really want. A couple of

:26:43. > :26:50.quick questions, would you welcome an early general election? I always

:26:51. > :26:56.welcome them, we couldn't do worse than we did last time. That is

:26:57. > :26:58.certainly true. You have a column in the Evening Standard, have you

:26:59. > :27:05.spoken to the new editor about whether he will keep your column or

:27:06. > :27:12.spike it? No, I wait in nervous anticipation. Can you be a newspaper

:27:13. > :27:20.editor in the morning and an MP in the afternoon? Do I think that's

:27:21. > :27:26.feasible? Sorry, I missed a bit. There is no prohibition, no law

:27:27. > :27:30.against MPs being editors. They have been in the past and no doubt will

:27:31. > :27:37.again in the future. He is taking a lot on, he is an editor, also

:27:38. > :27:41.wanting to be an MP, a jetsetting academic in the States, working in

:27:42. > :27:47.the city, I suspect something will give. It seems to me even by his

:27:48. > :27:52.self-confidence standards in his own abilities I suspect he is taking on

:27:53. > :27:56.a little bit too much. Very diplomatic, Mr Clegg, I'm sure you

:27:57. > :28:00.will get to keep the column. Thanks for joining us.

:28:01. > :28:03.Now, for the last six months England's NHS bosses have been

:28:04. > :28:06.warning the health service needs more money to help it meet

:28:07. > :28:08.But in his first Budget, the Chancellor offered

:28:09. > :28:10.no immediate relief, and today the head of

:28:11. > :28:12.the organisation representing England's NHS trusts says hundreds

:28:13. > :28:15.of thousands of patients will have to wait longer for both emergency

:28:16. > :28:17.care and planned operations, unless the Government

:28:18. > :28:24.Warnings over funding are not exactly new.

:28:25. > :28:27.Back in 2014 the head of the NHS in England, Simon Stevens,

:28:28. > :28:32.published his plan for the future of the health service.

:28:33. > :28:35.In his five-year forward view, Stevens said the NHS in England

:28:36. > :28:38.would face a funding shortfall of up to ?30 billion by 2020.

:28:39. > :28:41.To bridge that gap he said the NHS would need more money

:28:42. > :28:44.from the Government, at least ?8 billion extra,

:28:45. > :28:47.and that the health service could account for the rest by making

:28:48. > :28:55.The Government says it's given the health service more than what it

:28:56. > :28:57.asked for, and that NHS in England will have received

:28:58. > :29:02.That number is disputed by NHS managers and the chair

:29:03. > :29:05.of Parliament's health committee, who say the figure is more

:29:06. > :29:08.like ?4.5 billion, while other parts of the health and social care budget

:29:09. > :29:14.have been cut, putting pressure on the front line.

:29:15. > :29:17.Last year, two thirds of NHS trusts in England finished

:29:18. > :29:19.the year in the red, and despite emergency bailouts

:29:20. > :29:21.from the Government, the NHS is likely to record

:29:22. > :29:27.Meanwhile national targets on waiting times for A

:29:28. > :29:29.departments, diagnostic tests, and operations are being

:29:30. > :29:37.This month's Budget provided ?2 billion for social care

:29:38. > :29:41.but there was no new cash for the NHS, leading trusts to warn

:29:42. > :29:43.that patient care is beginning to suffer, and what is being asked

:29:44. > :29:49.And I'm joined now by the Chief Executive of NHS

:29:50. > :29:54.Providers in England, Chris Hopson.

:29:55. > :30:01.Welcome to the programme. Morning, Andrew. I will come onto the extra

:30:02. > :30:06.money you need to do your job properly in a minute but first, part

:30:07. > :30:10.of the deal was you had to make 22 billion in efficiency savings, not a

:30:11. > :30:15.bank that money but spend it on patient care, the front line, and so

:30:16. > :30:18.on. How is that going? So, last parliament we realised around 18

:30:19. > :30:22.billion of productivity and efficiency savings, we are realising

:30:23. > :30:26.more this year so we are on course to realise 3 billion this year, that

:30:27. > :30:31.is a quarter of a billion more than last year but all of us in the NHS

:30:32. > :30:35.knew the 22 billion would be a very stretching target and we are

:30:36. > :30:41.somewhat inevitably falling short. So it is 22 billion by 2,020.

:30:42. > :30:50.Roughly. That was the time. We are now into 2017. So how much of the 22

:30:51. > :30:55.billion have you achieved? We realised around 3 billion last year

:30:56. > :31:00.and we will realise 3 billion this year, Court of billion more, 3.25

:31:01. > :31:05.billion this year, so we are on course for 18-19,000,000,000. By the

:31:06. > :31:09.2021 period? You are not that far away. The problem is the degree to

:31:10. > :31:14.which demand is going up. We have record demand over the winter period

:31:15. > :31:18.and that actually meant we have seen more people than we have ever seen

:31:19. > :31:23.before but performance is still under real pressure. Let me come

:31:24. > :31:27.onto that. When you agreed on the 22 billion efficiency savings plus some

:31:28. > :31:32.extra money from the government, I know there is a bit of an argument

:31:33. > :31:37.about how much that is actually worth, had you not factored in this

:31:38. > :31:40.extra demand that you saw coming over the next three or four years?

:31:41. > :31:46.Let's be very clear committee referred to Simon Stevens's forward

:31:47. > :31:49.view and we signed up to it but the 22 billion was a process run at the

:31:50. > :31:52.centre of government by the Department of Health with its arms

:31:53. > :31:56.length bodies, NHS England and others and is not something that was

:31:57. > :32:01.consulted on with the NHS. But you signed up to it. We always said that

:32:02. > :32:06.the day that that Spending Review was announced, the idea that the NHS

:32:07. > :32:10.where customer demand goes up something like four or 5% every

:32:11. > :32:13.year, the idea that in the middle years of Parliament we would be able

:32:14. > :32:20.to provide the same level of service when we were only getting funding

:32:21. > :32:24.increases of 1.3%, 0.4% and 0.7%, and I can show you the press release

:32:25. > :32:29.we issued, we always said there was going to be a gap and that we would

:32:30. > :32:35.not be able to deliver what was required. The full 22 billion in

:32:36. > :32:38.other words? What we said to Simon Stevens at the Public Accounts

:32:39. > :32:43.Committee a few months ago, the NHS didn't get what it was asked for.

:32:44. > :32:50.Today the NHS, cope with the resources it has according to you.

:32:51. > :32:53.How much more does it need? Are reported is about 2017-18 and we

:32:54. > :32:57.estimate that what we are being asked to do, and again, Andrew, you

:32:58. > :33:02.clearly set it out in the package, we are a long way off the four-hour

:33:03. > :33:07.A target and a long way off the 92%. The waiting times and

:33:08. > :33:11.operations. How much more do you need? And we are making up a ?900

:33:12. > :33:16.million deficit. If you take all of those into account we estimate you

:33:17. > :33:20.would need an extra ?3.5 billion next year in order to deliver all of

:33:21. > :33:24.those targets and eliminate the deficit. That would be 3.5 billion

:33:25. > :33:29.on top of what is already planned next year and that would be 3.5

:33:30. > :33:32.billion repeated in the years to come too? Yes, Andrew it is

:33:33. > :33:37.important we should make an important distinction about the NHS

:33:38. > :33:41.versus other public services. When the last government, the last Labour

:33:42. > :33:45.government put extra money into the NHS it clearly said that in return

:33:46. > :33:49.for that it would establish some standards in the NHS Constitution,

:33:50. > :33:54.the 95% A target we have talked about and the 92% elective surgery

:33:55. > :33:58.we have talked about. The trust we represent are very clear, they would

:33:59. > :34:01.want to realise those standards, but you can only do it if you pay for

:34:02. > :34:06.it. The problem is at the moment is we are in the longest and deepest

:34:07. > :34:10.financial squeeze in NHS history. As we have said, funding is only going

:34:11. > :34:16.up by 1% per year but every year just to stand still cost and demand

:34:17. > :34:21.go up by more than 4%. There is clearly a demand for more money. I

:34:22. > :34:24.think people watching this programme will think probably the NHS is going

:34:25. > :34:29.to have to get more money to meet the goals you have been given. I

:34:30. > :34:33.think they would also like to be sure that your Mac running the NHS

:34:34. > :34:37.as efficiently as it could be. We read this morning that trusts have

:34:38. > :34:42.got ?100 million of empty properties that cost 10 million to maintain, 36

:34:43. > :34:47.office blocks are not being used, you have surplus land equivalent to

:34:48. > :34:52.1800 football pitches. Yes, there are a number of things that we know

:34:53. > :34:57.in the NHS we need to do better but let me remind you, Andrew, in the

:34:58. > :35:00.last Parliament we realised ?18 billion worth of cost improvement

:35:01. > :35:07.gains. We are going to realise another 3 billion this year, 0.25

:35:08. > :35:11.billion more than last year so these things are being targeted. But

:35:12. > :35:14.having that surplus land, it is almost certainly in areas where

:35:15. > :35:20.there is a demand for housing. Absolutely. So why not release it

:35:21. > :35:24.for housing? You get the money, the people get their houses and its

:35:25. > :35:28.contribution and a signal that you are running NHS assets as

:35:29. > :35:33.efficiently as you can? Tell me if I'm going to too much detail for

:35:34. > :35:37.you. One of the reasons as to why our trusts are reluctant to realise

:35:38. > :35:41.those land sales is because there is an assumption that the money would

:35:42. > :35:45.go back to the Treasury and wouldn't benefit NHS trusts. You could make a

:35:46. > :35:48.deal, couldn't you? That's part of the conversation going on at the

:35:49. > :35:53.moment. The issue is that we would want to ensure that if we do release

:35:54. > :36:05.land, quite rightly the benefit, particularly in foundation trusts

:36:06. > :36:06.which are, as you will remember, deliberately autonomous

:36:07. > :36:09.organisations, that they should keep the benefit of those land sales.

:36:10. > :36:09.Have you raised that with the government?

:36:10. > :36:21.Yes we have. What did they say? They are in discussions of it. We heard

:36:22. > :36:26.somebody who moved from one job and then to another job and given a big

:36:27. > :36:31.salary and then almost ?200,000 as a payoff. There is a national mood for

:36:32. > :36:34.the NHS to get more money. But before you give anybody any more

:36:35. > :36:37.money you want to be sure that the money you have got already is being

:36:38. > :36:42.properly spent, which for us, is the patient at the end of the day. And

:36:43. > :36:50.yet there seem to be these enormous salaries and payoffs. I've worked in

:36:51. > :36:52.a FTSE 100 on the board of Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs and I

:36:53. > :36:55.have worked in large organisations. I can look you completely straight

:36:56. > :36:58.in the eye and tell you that the jobs that our hospital, community,

:36:59. > :37:01.mental health and ambulance chief Executives do are amongst the most

:37:02. > :37:06.complicated leadership roles I have ever seen. It doesn't seem to me to

:37:07. > :37:09.be unreasonable that in order to get the right quality of people we

:37:10. > :37:13.should pay an appropriate salary. The reality is the salaries are paid

:37:14. > :37:18.are not excessive when talking about managing budgets of over ?1 billion

:37:19. > :37:26.a year and talking about managing tens of thousands of staff. There

:37:27. > :37:29.was a doctor working as a locum that earned an extra ?375,000. One of the

:37:30. > :37:33.problems in the NHS is a mismatch between the number of staff we need

:37:34. > :37:36.and the number of staff coming through the pipeline. What is having

:37:37. > :37:41.to happen is if you want to keep a service going you have to use Mackem

:37:42. > :37:47.and agency staff. Even at that cost? You would not want to pay those

:37:48. > :37:51.amounts. But you are. The chief Executives's choice in those areas

:37:52. > :37:56.is giving the service open or employing a locum. I'm sure you

:37:57. > :37:59.could find a locum prepared to work for less than that. What indication,

:38:00. > :38:05.what hopes do you have of getting the extra ?3 billion? The government

:38:06. > :38:09.has been very clear, for the moment it wants to stick to the existing

:38:10. > :38:13.funding settlement it has agreed. So there was nothing in the budget. Can

:38:14. > :38:19.I finish by making one important point. Please, finish. This is the

:38:20. > :38:24.first time the NHS has said before the year has even started that we

:38:25. > :38:29.can't deliver on those standards. We believe, as do most people who work

:38:30. > :38:33.in the NHS, that the NHS is on a gradual slow decline. This is a very

:38:34. > :38:36.important inflection point to Mark, this is the first time before the

:38:37. > :38:41.financial year starts that we say we cannot meet the targets we are being

:38:42. > :38:44.asked to deliver and are in the NHS Constitution. We have run out of

:38:45. > :38:46.time. Chris Hopson, thank you for being with me.

:38:47. > :38:48.It's just gone 11:35am, you're watching the Sunday Politics.

:38:49. > :38:50.We say goodbye to viewers in Scotland who leave us now

:38:51. > :39:00.Hello, you're watching the Sunday politics

:39:01. > :39:05.Hello, you're watching the Sunday Politics

:39:06. > :39:09.Coming up today: We ask, is air pollution now a bigger threat

:39:10. > :39:12.We meet the father who is convinced pollution contributed

:39:13. > :39:17.My son was a statistic and now I believe it was due to,

:39:18. > :39:19.in part or mostly to do with pollution in this

:39:20. > :39:27.And we meet the campaigners who are fighting to put

:39:28. > :39:38.brain tumours at the top of the cancer funding queue.

:39:39. > :39:40.We are joined today by Natalie Bennett, the former

:39:41. > :39:42.leader of the Green Party, the Green candidate

:39:43. > :39:48.in the Sheffield Central parliamentary constituency.

:39:49. > :39:50.And by Graham Stuart, Conservative MP for Beverley and Holderness.

:39:51. > :39:53.And also by Paula Sherriff, Labour MP for Dewsbury.

:39:54. > :39:56.3,000 people living in Yorkshire and Lincolnshire are expected to die

:39:57. > :40:01.One charity involved in campaigning for more intervention says it's

:40:02. > :40:08.Richard Edwards has been to meet a man who took to politics

:40:09. > :40:11.after being convinced that his baby son died because of air pollution

:40:12. > :40:18.Muzafa Rahman was born just a few streets away from one

:40:19. > :40:24.Each day, thousands of vehicles use these roads and Muzafa is convinced

:40:25. > :40:27.the pollution left behind is to blame for the early

:40:28. > :40:33.My son, who was 15 months old, when he was a baby I was working

:40:34. > :40:37.in Meadowhall and I would often take him in his pram

:40:38. > :40:41.and on a nice day's walk through the subways,

:40:42. > :40:44.through the link, around this beautiful roundabout

:40:45. > :40:47.where the greenery is, not knowing that I was exposing him

:40:48. > :40:53.to a great disease that would eventually take his life.

:40:54. > :40:55.I'm convinced that the virus he contracted through

:40:56. > :41:02.the failure of his heart was related to pollution.

:41:03. > :41:05.Cameron died in 1990, when research into casualties from air pollution

:41:06. > :41:11.But 27 years on, there are official concerns.

:41:12. > :41:13.Just two months ago, the government's Highways England

:41:14. > :41:16.began looking at cutting speed limits on the M1, which in turn it

:41:17. > :41:22.And it's not just a problem in South Yorkshire.

:41:23. > :41:25.Today, few people would deny that pollution is an issue.

:41:26. > :41:28.This is an air-quality management area in Leeds,

:41:29. > :41:31.a place where the problem is so bad, the council is taking urgent

:41:32. > :41:37.A study suggests that 700 people will lose their lives

:41:38. > :41:41.this year alone in Leeds from breathing dirty air.

:41:42. > :41:43.Separate research shows that in just one year,

:41:44. > :41:49.3,000 people across our region died after breathing dirty air.

:41:50. > :42:02.Environmental charity Global Action Plan says the risk

:42:03. > :42:05.to our health from breathing polluted air is huge.

:42:06. > :42:08.We understand that air pollution is a significant risk to public

:42:09. > :42:14.And we know that the equivalent figure in terms of deaths is around

:42:15. > :42:16.40,000 equivalent deaths per year as the overall impact of air

:42:17. > :42:24.In this city of Wakefield, official figures show 178 people

:42:25. > :42:30.died prematurely in just one year from breathing polluted air.

:42:31. > :42:32.It's a concern for the city's MP, who also happens to chair

:42:33. > :42:36.the powerful parliamentary committee that looks at the environment.

:42:37. > :42:38.We're worried about the threat to public health from Britain's

:42:39. > :42:46.We think the government's actions have been too little and too late.

:42:47. > :42:49.They have had an air pollution plan which has been deemed illegal

:42:50. > :42:55.We're waiting for April to see what their new plan is going to be.

:42:56. > :42:58.They have failed to produce an emissions reductions strategy

:42:59. > :43:03.to look at how we deal with this issue across society.

:43:04. > :43:05.There are emissions coming out of construction sites

:43:06. > :43:09.and from all sorts of other areas as well as cars and vans.

:43:10. > :43:12.And the problem is not confined to urban areas.

:43:13. > :43:16.This is semirural Pool in Wharfedale, where pollution

:43:17. > :43:19.levels in the main street are so high, the council is taking

:43:20. > :43:23.I have an inhaler because I suffer with asthma.

:43:24. > :43:27.I've actually started using it a lot more since we've moved back to Pool.

:43:28. > :43:31.He's still only nine and it's not a daily struggle,

:43:32. > :43:34.but I'd like to know how pollution would affect that type of disease

:43:35. > :43:41.Contacted by the Sunday Politics, the government's department

:43:42. > :43:45.for environment says it's spent more than ?2 billion since 2011

:43:46. > :43:49.to encourage people to use greener transport and is committed

:43:50. > :43:53.to spending another ?290 million to support electric cars

:43:54. > :44:01.If you want to know more about pollution and how to reduce

:44:02. > :44:04.it, check out the BBC website, where there are lots of articles

:44:05. > :44:09.and films following our recent So I Can Breathe campaign.

:44:10. > :44:12.Natalie Bennett, short of banning cars and making us walk everywhere,

:44:13. > :44:16.how do you reduce the health risks from pollution?

:44:17. > :44:18.There's a whole range of measures we can take and that starts

:44:19. > :44:24.That means we've got to really look at encouraging support in things

:44:25. > :44:30.In the Sheffield Green Party, we had a measure in our Budget

:44:31. > :44:32.which sadly didn't go through that would have helped encourage

:44:33. > :44:35.and support taxi drivers, independent business people,

:44:36. > :44:42.But we've also got to reduce the amount of transport.

:44:43. > :44:45.That means not saying to people you can't use your car,

:44:46. > :44:48.it means saying to people there's a wonderful walking and cycling

:44:49. > :44:50.route over there, it means saying to people there's great public

:44:51. > :44:54.transport that's affordable, convenient, reliable.

:44:55. > :44:57.Make that offer to people, people will use that and that

:44:58. > :45:00.will naturally reduce our congestion to the benefit of all of us.

:45:01. > :45:02.Graham Stuart, many of our cities, including Sheffield, Leeds and Hull,

:45:03. > :45:04.have dangerous levels of air pollution.

:45:05. > :45:07.Do you think the government is taking it seriously enough?

:45:08. > :45:09.I think the government, successive governments

:45:10. > :45:15.There is going to be a new plan coming out on April 24 and that

:45:16. > :45:23.The government doesn't have an emission reduction scheme.

:45:24. > :45:27.As I say, we're going to see the next version of the plan,

:45:28. > :45:29.the one that was struck down before, in April.

:45:30. > :45:36.The good news is, if you look back over history, the number

:45:37. > :45:39.of emissions has actually come down massively.

:45:40. > :45:42.We're much better than we used to be and the government has signed

:45:43. > :45:44.up to something called the Gothenburg Protocol, which

:45:45. > :45:51.Actually, it means that by 2020, legally, we'll be obliged

:45:52. > :45:54.to bring our emissions down and even further by 2030.

:45:55. > :45:56.But a lot more needs to be done and the government

:45:57. > :46:00.I agree entirely with the key points Natalie made.

:46:01. > :46:03.It is worth saying the government has been forced into the position

:46:04. > :46:09.It's taken legal action by an NGO to force the government into action

:46:10. > :46:15.We live in a largely industrial region.

:46:16. > :46:19.People need their cars and their vans to get to work.

:46:20. > :46:24.We need much more than warm words from the government.

:46:25. > :46:28.38 out of the 43 directives have actually been failed at the moment.

:46:29. > :46:31.A High Court judge recently described the Defra plan

:46:32. > :46:36.We'll wait to see what comes in April, but I think we need to be

:46:37. > :46:38.looking at measures, including what Natalie alluded

:46:39. > :46:40.to around using public transport and incentivising scrappage schemes

:46:41. > :46:45.for older vehicles and diesel vehicles.

:46:46. > :46:48.Also lifestyle factors including encouraging people

:46:49. > :46:51.when they are sitting outside schools to ensure their

:46:52. > :46:55.There is a direct correlation between air pollution

:46:56. > :47:01.One road in Brixton in London has already surpassed its pollution

:47:02. > :47:09.target for the year within the first five days of 2017.

:47:10. > :47:12.No more warm words from the government, we need some action

:47:13. > :47:17.The Transport Secretary, Chris Grayling, recently said,

:47:18. > :47:19.surprising a lot of people, that people should take

:47:20. > :47:21.a long, hard think before buying a diesel vehicle.

:47:22. > :47:26.Do you think diesel vehicles should be banned?

:47:27. > :47:32.I think what we need to do is move towards electric vehicles.

:47:33. > :47:34.The problem is we have a huge problem with

:47:35. > :47:38.One of the things we need to focus on, that we haven't seen

:47:39. > :47:40.enough discussion of, is the fact that air

:47:41. > :47:42.pollution within a vehicle is about twice as bad

:47:43. > :47:46.People tend to focus on walkers and cyclists being exposed

:47:47. > :47:49.to this air pollution, but on average it's about twice

:47:50. > :47:53.This is a real issue of industrial safety.

:47:54. > :47:56.We think of all those taxi drivers who spend their working life sitting

:47:57. > :48:03.We have people exposed, van drivers, it's very much in their health

:48:04. > :48:10.Governments have been telling us for years, in recent years,

:48:11. > :48:13.that diesels are better for the environment.

:48:14. > :48:17.Now the current government says don't buy diesels!

:48:18. > :48:20.It was the last Labour government, unfortunately from the scientific

:48:21. > :48:23.advice they had at the time, who encouraged the sale of diesels.

:48:24. > :48:26.You can understand why consumers are feeling that on the one hand

:48:27. > :48:29.you tell me to buy one, the next minute you tell me I'm

:48:30. > :48:33.One positive note, as this is a Yorkshire programme.

:48:34. > :48:36.In the East Riding of Yorkshire, when I spoke to the council today,

:48:37. > :48:39.across the East Riding, which is a very large council area,

:48:40. > :48:43.there are no particular blackspots at the moment.

:48:44. > :48:46.The air is pretty clean across the East Riding.

:48:47. > :48:49.The big problem remains in our urban areas and that's why

:48:50. > :48:52.the government is piloting, across five cities, including Leeds,

:48:53. > :48:54.having special areas to encourage and get the vehicles

:48:55. > :49:04.Finally on this, a lot of big cities are bringing in clean air zones.

:49:05. > :49:08.Would you like to see restrictions in somewhere like Dewsbury

:49:09. > :49:10.where older polluting vehicles would be banned from the town?

:49:11. > :49:15.There's a couple of areas in my constituency that come to mind

:49:16. > :49:17.straightaway where this is a huge problem.

:49:18. > :49:25.In terms of diesel vehicles, I don't think it would be problematic to say

:49:26. > :49:29.In terms of diesel vehicles, I don't think it would be pragmatic to say

:49:30. > :49:31.we are going to stop all diesel vehicles from tomorrow,

:49:32. > :49:34.but if we gradually try and phase them out, plus the older vehicles

:49:35. > :49:38.Let's get some more of the week's political news now.

:49:39. > :49:44.Trudy has our round-up in 60 seconds.

:49:45. > :49:47.West Yorkshire's Yvette Cooper led the charge on the government's

:49:48. > :49:49.U-turn over national insurance and suggested another U-turn

:49:50. > :49:57.The Prime Minister has just done a ?2 million Budget U-turn

:49:58. > :50:00.The Prime Minister has just done a ?2 billion Budget U-turn

:50:01. > :50:04.Is that why they want to abolish spring Budgets, because they just

:50:05. > :50:08.Ripping up and starting again is what the Orgreave campaigners

:50:09. > :50:11.They protested outside her office to demonstrate the fact.

:50:12. > :50:14.They want her to change her mind and hold a public

:50:15. > :50:16.inquiry into the so-called Battle of Orgreave.

:50:17. > :50:18.Scarborough MP and Immigration Minister Robert Goodwill

:50:19. > :50:21.was involved in a skirmish when the government pledge to reduce

:50:22. > :50:25.immigration came under fire from Neil Parish,

:50:26. > :50:26.the Conservative chair of the Environment, Food

:50:27. > :50:32.Never in our lifetime, Robert was told.

:50:33. > :50:35.And the 2015 battlebus tour lead to a fine for the Conservatives

:50:36. > :50:40.Lincoln's MP, Karl McCartney, says he acted honestly and is cooperating

:50:41. > :50:49.Let me ask Graham Stuart on that, how worried are you?

:50:50. > :50:52.You could see your fellow Conservative MPs in the dock

:50:53. > :50:53.and effectively elections being rerun over this so-called

:50:54. > :51:00.Let's be clear, no Conservative MP, or Labour or Liberal Democrat

:51:01. > :51:07.When they are, it might be a different matter.

:51:08. > :51:10.There have been breaches by each of the major political parties.

:51:11. > :51:15.It's obviously a serious issue and we need to ensure,

:51:16. > :51:19.for public confidence, that compliance with the rules

:51:20. > :51:23.is absolute and that this sort of thing doesn't happen again.

:51:24. > :51:25.The Electoral Commission did fine the Conservative Party

:51:26. > :51:29.There does need to be a clearer distinction about how much can be

:51:30. > :51:32.spent on local election campaigns and how much can be

:51:33. > :51:36.Every party has historically taken its national buses and put it

:51:37. > :51:44.It's led to the situation where they say you should be

:51:45. > :51:50.The rules are a little unclear and while accepting the criticism,

:51:51. > :51:53.as I know the Conservative Party does, it's also said that greater

:51:54. > :51:56.clarity on the rules to make sure that it's easy to follow

:51:57. > :51:58.for everybody concerned would be the right approach.

:51:59. > :52:01.What's been the story of the week for you, Natalie Bennett?

:52:02. > :52:03.Probably looking at the general state of disarray of

:52:04. > :52:07.The national insurance backdown, which was a huge step

:52:08. > :52:10.for a Chancellor to turn around and disavow something he'd said less

:52:11. > :52:15.We've got a government with a tiny majority that really doesn't

:52:16. > :52:20.It won the support of 24% of eligible voters at the last

:52:21. > :52:23.election on a manifesto that assumed we would stay part of the EU.

:52:24. > :52:26.We really are in a state of turmoil and, desperately

:52:27. > :52:29.for democracy in Britain, we need an election.

:52:30. > :52:31.How would you sum up the political week?

:52:32. > :52:37.We've obviously seen the significant U-turn of the government's flagship

:52:38. > :52:38.Budget policy that lasted just a week.

:52:39. > :52:41.I thought you were talking about Jeremy Corbyn's response!

:52:42. > :52:44.I thought you were going to join everyone else

:52:45. > :52:48.I'm talking about the fact that you do appear to be

:52:49. > :52:51.We've seen access to the single market has gone.

:52:52. > :52:53.I've just found out that my constituency is the second

:52:54. > :52:56.worst in the country, on schools policy, in terms

:52:57. > :52:58.of the budgets that have been cut for schools.

:52:59. > :53:02.Schools are telling me they are having to let staff go,

:53:03. > :53:09.This is going to have a huge legacy problem for our children.

:53:10. > :53:11.On the schools funding, there is potential for

:53:12. > :53:20.The government has consulted on the new funding formula.

:53:21. > :53:23.At a time of constraint, it's very difficult to do redistribution.

:53:24. > :53:26.That is going ahead and I expect the government to go

:53:27. > :53:29.through with that and ensure that those areas which have been

:53:30. > :53:33.historically underfunded get a fairer share of the cake.

:53:34. > :53:35.In my area, which is one of the lowest funded

:53:36. > :53:37.in the whole country, 40 out of 50 schools

:53:38. > :53:41.?7 million a year extra will go to local schools

:53:42. > :53:43.in Beverley and Holderness and across the East Riding

:53:44. > :53:49.In my area, 50 out of 50 schools will lose out.

:53:50. > :53:52.David Cameron explicitly said in your 2015 manifesto that real

:53:53. > :53:57.terms funding would be protected for schools.

:53:58. > :54:00.How do you explain how 50 out of 50 schools in my constituency

:54:01. > :54:06.Because it's about the overall budget and I think you would agree,

:54:07. > :54:08.as someone who campaigns for fairness, that it's

:54:09. > :54:12.about taking a finite budget, albeit one that is protected,

:54:13. > :54:15.and making sure it's fairly distributed across the country.

:54:16. > :54:18.There was no way the existing formula was fair.

:54:19. > :54:20.It was broken, it saw areas like Barnsley,

:54:21. > :54:23.one of the worst funded in the whole country.

:54:24. > :54:25.Some parts of London could be ?1,500 per pupil

:54:26. > :54:27.separate when they are a few hundred yards apart.

:54:28. > :54:29.The thing was broken, that was a legacy of the Labour

:54:30. > :54:31.government and this government is right and courageous,

:54:32. > :54:34.it's politically difficult, to come forward and say no,

:54:35. > :54:36.we've got to treat every child the same, we have to give

:54:37. > :54:40.That's the centre of all our educational policy.

:54:41. > :54:43.What would you say to my teachers who are saying to me we cannot run

:54:44. > :54:47.the school with the proposed funding we are due to receive?

:54:48. > :54:51.If you have historically been overfunded compared to areas

:54:52. > :54:54.like East Yorkshire, if that is what is behind

:54:55. > :54:56.the changes, I would say unless we have a magic money tree,

:54:57. > :55:02.and I know Jeremy Corbyn does but nobody else does...

:55:03. > :55:04.We are still spending more on the interest on the debt

:55:05. > :55:15.That is a huge debate and we'll have to come back to it another time.

:55:16. > :55:17.This week, the Commons Speaker John Bercow hosted a reception,

:55:18. > :55:20.the latest in his long association with the brain tumour research

:55:21. > :55:22.charity, which is campaigning for better funding to help

:55:23. > :55:24.the hundreds of people diagnosed every year.

:55:25. > :55:29.It's claimed the disease kills more people under 40

:55:30. > :55:34.than any other cancer, but gets just 1% of the funding.

:55:35. > :55:37.Len Tingle has been to meet two women, one from Lincolnshire,

:55:38. > :55:42.one from Yorkshire, who say it's time for change.

:55:43. > :55:49.research into brain tumours and has research into brain tumours and has

:55:50. > :55:55.written a book on the subject. It's a remarkable achievement. In 2008,

:55:56. > :55:59.she herself was diagnosed with a tumour and was given a maximum of

:56:00. > :56:04.three years to live. On good days like today I'm pretty much OK.

:56:05. > :56:10.Sometimes people wouldn't even know. On bad days I can't even get out of

:56:11. > :56:17.bed. I have chronic migraines. It paralyse is the right hand side of

:56:18. > :56:23.my body. If I'm tired or stressed. I try to keep my trust levels down and

:56:24. > :56:28.get regular rest. Now in her six years since diagnosis, she has had

:56:29. > :56:32.extensive brain surgery, chemotherapy and is constantly in

:56:33. > :56:38.and out of hospital. That manages the condition, but she knows there

:56:39. > :56:42.is no cure. I'm lucky. I'm not too disabled, but some people are very

:56:43. > :56:49.disabled. They lose speech, mobility. It takes 30 years from

:56:50. > :56:57.their quality-of-life. There needs to be more research into treatment.

:56:58. > :57:03.We need to speed it up. A lot of us won't be around for years down the

:57:04. > :57:08.line. In a recent report to MPs, the charity brain tumour research said

:57:09. > :57:12.since 2002 there's been a 13% increase in the number of tumours

:57:13. > :57:17.diagnosed in the UK. In the same period just 1% of funding for all

:57:18. > :57:23.counts of research is devoted to brain tumours. That's been noticed

:57:24. > :57:29.in Leeds. This is one of the UK's leading research centres, partially

:57:30. > :57:32.funded by Macmillan, the NHS and the Leeds teaching hospitals trust.

:57:33. > :57:39.There are big contributions from surgeons. People are trying across

:57:40. > :57:44.the world to study brain cancer and the underlying causes and trying to

:57:45. > :57:49.work out why they keep coming back. The reality is we need more research

:57:50. > :57:53.and that requires more funding. What brain tumour research hasn't

:57:54. > :57:59.attracted in the same way that breast cancers have over the last

:58:00. > :58:03.ten to 15 years is big injections of funding for powering research and

:58:04. > :58:08.bettering our understanding. Lisa also has an inoperable tumour. Last

:58:09. > :58:13.week she travelled from her home in Baildon to join other patients and

:58:14. > :58:19.their families lobbying government for more research funding. She says

:58:20. > :58:22.for many time is running out. I've lost lots of friends I've met

:58:23. > :58:28.through this process with brain tumours. We are like a little gang.

:58:29. > :58:36.We keep losing people. We need something to come fast. These

:58:37. > :58:40.patients want a chilling -- an improvement in a chilling statistic

:58:41. > :58:46.they all confront everyday. Brain tumours are now the biggest cause of

:58:47. > :58:49.death in cancer sufferers under the age of 40.

:58:50. > :58:53.Emotive issue. Let me ask you to react to that statistic that brain

:58:54. > :58:58.tumours kill more people under 40 than any other cancer but attract

:58:59. > :59:04.just 1% of funding of research. It's shocking that only 1% of the funding

:59:05. > :59:14.goes to brain tumours. It is right that we have to rely on charities to

:59:15. > :59:17.find that money. There's a five-year-old boy in my constituency

:59:18. > :59:20.who is sadly suffering from a rare, inoperable brain tumour. The family

:59:21. > :59:25.are fundraising to look at alternative forms of treatment. It's

:59:26. > :59:37.very, very worrying. Brain tumours need more funding. I welcome charity

:59:38. > :59:41.donations. Absolutely. Nearly 1.5 billion is spent on cancer research

:59:42. > :59:45.from people giving. They put it into cancer research and it makes a

:59:46. > :59:49.difference. The piece shows the argument why a greater level of

:59:50. > :59:53.funding could go to brain tumours. We have to say well done to Fiona

:59:54. > :59:57.and Lisa and people battling for their own health while also

:59:58. > :00:01.struggling and campaigning. We need from the government and evidence

:00:02. > :00:06.-based allocation of money. The money should go according to the

:00:07. > :00:11.level of need. You all have massive health issues in the areas you

:00:12. > :00:17.represent. Give as one example of the state of the NHS in the areas

:00:18. > :00:22.you represent. In my area they are downgrading to use hospital and

:00:23. > :00:27.there is a proposal to close Huddersfield A It would leave the

:00:28. > :00:33.population of Kirklees without a comprehensive A People would have

:00:34. > :00:37.to travel. The A around that area aren't coping. We are seeing 12 hour

:00:38. > :00:44.trolley waits, people waiting just to be seen, people treated in

:00:45. > :00:50.corridors, waiting rooms. It's in crisis. I worked in the NHS for 13

:00:51. > :00:54.years before I was an MP and I still often speak to health professionals,

:00:55. > :00:58.people on the front line of the NHS, and they tell me it's a crisis

:00:59. > :01:03.point. You have a number of minor injury units closing in your

:01:04. > :01:09.constituency. The overall picture is with the ?10 billion extra. Isn't

:01:10. > :01:16.that. Funding is declining in real terms. The budget is going up by ?10

:01:17. > :01:21.billion and specifically the Labour Party refused to match it. Demand is

:01:22. > :01:25.growing even faster, putting pressure on services. The NHS has

:01:26. > :01:32.never delivered better outcomes. Last word to Natalie Bennett. This

:01:33. > :01:39.government is planning to spend 6.6% of GDP on health care by 2020.

:01:40. > :01:43.France and Germany spend 11%. We spend 30% less than Germany does

:01:44. > :01:48.now. There's not enough money in the NHS. The other problem is

:01:49. > :01:52.privatisation of the NHS. A lot of issues. Thank you for your thoughts.

:01:53. > :01:55.We shall now had you back you both. Say goodbye. Goodbye. Back

:01:56. > :02:01.to you. So, can George Osborne stay

:02:02. > :02:04.on as a member of Parliament Will Conservative backbenchers force

:02:05. > :02:08.a Government re-think And is Theresa May about to cap gas

:02:09. > :02:22.and electricity prices? Whose idea was that first of all?

:02:23. > :02:27.They are all questions for the Week Ahead to.

:02:28. > :02:32.Let's start with the story that is too much fun to miss, on Friday it

:02:33. > :02:36.was announced the former Chancellor would be the new editor of London's

:02:37. > :02:43.Evening Standard newspaper, a position he will take up in mid-May

:02:44. > :02:48.on a salary of ?200,000 for four days a week.

:02:49. > :02:51.But Mr Osborne has said he will not be stepping down as MP

:02:52. > :02:53.for Tatton in Cheshire, a job he's held since 2001,

:02:54. > :02:56.Alongside these duties, he's also chairman of

:02:57. > :03:02.While being committed to one day a week at Black Rock,

:03:03. > :03:05.an American asset management firm - a part-time role that earns him

:03:06. > :03:10.Then he's polishing his academic credentials, as a fellow

:03:11. > :03:12.at the McCain Institute, an American thinktank,

:03:13. > :03:20.And finally as a member of the Washington Speaker's Bureau,

:03:21. > :03:26.he also earns his keep as an after-dinner speaker, banking

:03:27. > :03:31.around ?750,000 since last summer.

:03:32. > :03:40.So there you go. Nice little earners if you can get them. The problem,

:03:41. > :03:44.though, is he has put second jobs on the agenda and lots of his fellow

:03:45. > :03:49.MPs are not happy because they have got second jobs but not making that

:03:50. > :03:53.kind of money. No, and a lot of MPs on both sides actually are unhappy

:03:54. > :03:58.about it exactly for those reasons. I find it a very interesting

:03:59. > :04:02.appointment. We have got these people on the centre and centre

:04:03. > :04:06.right of politics who have been used to power since 1997, they have been

:04:07. > :04:11.on the airwaves today, Tony Blair, Nick Clegg, George Osborne, and they

:04:12. > :04:16.are all seeking other platforms now because power has moved elsewhere.

:04:17. > :04:19.So Tony Blair is setting up this new foundation, Nick Clegg refused to

:04:20. > :04:26.condemn George Osborne, Tony Blair praised the appointment. They are

:04:27. > :04:29.all searching for new platforms. They might have overestimated the

:04:30. > :04:35.degree to which this will be a huge influential platform. The standard

:04:36. > :04:40.was very pro-Tory at the 2015 election but London voted Labour, it

:04:41. > :04:43.was pro-Zac Goldsmith but they elected Sadiq Khan. It might be

:04:44. > :04:49.overestimating the degree to which this is a hugely influential paper.

:04:50. > :04:54.But I can see why it attracts him as a platform when all these platforms

:04:55. > :05:00.have disappeared, eg power and government. All of these people who

:05:01. > :05:04.used to be in power are quietly getting together again, Mr Blair on

:05:05. > :05:07.television this morning, George Osborne not only filling his bank

:05:08. > :05:13.account but now in charge of London's most important newspaper,

:05:14. > :05:18.Nick Clegg out today not saying Brexit was a done deal, waiting to

:05:19. > :05:22.see what happens, even John Major was wheeled out again today in the

:05:23. > :05:26.Mail on Sunday. They are all playing for position. I half expect David

:05:27. > :05:33.Cameron to turn up as features editor on The Evening Standard.

:05:34. > :05:38.Brexit and breakfast! With Mr Clegg, did he not? I do not think this is

:05:39. > :05:41.sustainable for George Osborne, I worked at The Evening Standard and I

:05:42. > :05:45.was there for three years, I know what the hours are like for a humble

:05:46. > :05:49.journalist, never mind the editor. If he thinks he can get at 4am

:05:50. > :05:54.everyday to be in the offices at 5am to oversee the splash, manage

:05:55. > :05:58.everything in the way and edited should he is in cloud cuckoo land.

:05:59. > :06:02.What this says to people is there is a kind of feel of soft corruption

:06:03. > :06:06.about public life here, where you see what you can get away with. He

:06:07. > :06:10.thinks he can brazen this out and maybe he can but what kind of

:06:11. > :06:15.message does that send to people about how seriously people take the

:06:16. > :06:20.role of being an MP? He must have known. He applied for the job. The

:06:21. > :06:25.Russian owner didn't approach him, he approached Lebedev, the

:06:26. > :06:29.proprietor, for it. He must have calculated there would be some

:06:30. > :06:33.kickback. I wonder if he realised there would be quite the kickback

:06:34. > :06:37.there has been. I think that's probably right. This hasn't finished

:06:38. > :06:42.yet, by the way, this will go on and on. How on earth does George Osborne

:06:43. > :06:46.cover the budget in the autumn? Big budget, lots of physical changes and

:06:47. > :06:51.tax rises to deal with the messages out of this week. You can see

:06:52. > :06:58.already, Theresa May budget crashes. It could be worse. She's useless!

:06:59. > :07:03.Or, worse than that, me, brilliant budget, terrible newspaper, I've

:07:04. > :07:07.never buying it again. He has hoisted his own petard. He has not

:07:08. > :07:13.bought it properly through. It's a something interesting about his own

:07:14. > :07:17.future calculations, if he wants to stay on as an MP in 2020 and be

:07:18. > :07:21.Prime Minister as he has or was wanted to be he has got to find a

:07:22. > :07:24.new seat. How do you go into an association and say I should be an

:07:25. > :07:29.MP, I can do it for at least four hours Purdy after editing The

:07:30. > :07:36.Evening Standard, making a big speech and telling Black Rock how to

:07:37. > :07:40.make a big profit. The feature pages have to be approved for the next day

:07:41. > :07:44.and feature pages are aware the editor gets to make their mark. The

:07:45. > :07:49.news is the news. The feature is what concerns you, what he is in

:07:50. > :07:55.your bonnet. That defines the newspaper, doesn't it? It is not

:07:56. > :08:02.over yet. Too much 101 on newspapers. And Haatheq at.

:08:03. > :08:08.School funding, the consultation period ends, it has been a tricky

:08:09. > :08:14.one for the government, some areas losing. I guess we are seeing this

:08:15. > :08:19.through the prism of the National Insurance contributions now, it is a

:08:20. > :08:24.small majority, if Tory MPs are unhappy she may not get her way.

:08:25. > :08:28.Talking to backbench MPs who are unhappy the feeling is it is not

:08:29. > :08:34.going to go ahead in the proposed form that the consultation has been

:08:35. > :08:38.on. No 10 will definitely have to move on this. It is unclear whether

:08:39. > :08:41.they will scrap it completely, or will they bring in something

:08:42. > :08:47.possibly like a base level, floor level pupil funding below which you

:08:48. > :08:51.can't go? You would then still need to find some extra money. So there

:08:52. > :08:55.are no easy solutions on this but what is clear it is not going to go

:08:56. > :08:58.ahead in its current form. Parents have been getting letters across the

:08:59. > :09:04.country in England about what this will mean for teachers and so on in

:09:05. > :09:08.certain schools. It's not just a matter of the education Department,

:09:09. > :09:13.the schools, or the teachers and Tory backbenchers. Parents are being

:09:14. > :09:16.mobilised on this. The point of the new funding formula is to allocate

:09:17. > :09:21.more money to the more disadvantaged. That means schools in

:09:22. > :09:24.the more prosperous suburbs are going to lose money. Budget cuts on

:09:25. > :09:28.schools which are already struggling. It comes down again to

:09:29. > :09:34.be huge problem, the ever smaller fiscal pool, ever greater demands,

:09:35. > :09:37.NHS, social care, education as well, adding to Theresa May and Phillip

:09:38. > :09:42.Hammond's enormous problems. Here is an interesting issue, Steve. There

:09:43. > :09:47.was a labour Leader of the Opposition that once suggested

:09:48. > :09:51.perhaps given these huge energy companies which seemed to be good at

:09:52. > :09:54.passing on energy rises but not so good at cutting energy prices when

:09:55. > :09:59.it falls, that perhaps we should put a cap on them until at least we

:10:00. > :10:04.study how the market goes. This was obviously ludicrous Marxism and

:10:05. > :10:09.quite rightly knocked down by the Conservatives, except that Mrs May

:10:10. > :10:13.is now talking about putting a cap on energy prices. Yes, I think if it

:10:14. > :10:18.wasn't for Brexit we would focus much more on Theresa May's Ed

:10:19. > :10:22.Miliband streak. Whether this translates into policies, let us

:10:23. > :10:26.see. That bit we don't know. That bit we don't know but in terms of

:10:27. > :10:29.argument her speech to the Conservative conference on Friday

:10:30. > :10:35.was about the third or fourth time where she said as part of the

:10:36. > :10:38.speech, let's focus on the good that government can do, including in

:10:39. > :10:43.intervening in markets, exactly in the way that he used to argue. As

:10:44. > :10:47.you say, we await the policy consequences of that. She seems more

:10:48. > :10:52.cautious in terms of policy in fermentation. But in terms of the

:10:53. > :10:55.industrial strategy, in terms of implying intervention in certain

:10:56. > :10:59.markets, there is a kind of Milibandesque streak. And there

:11:00. > :11:05.comes a time when she has to walk the walk as well as talk the talk.

:11:06. > :11:10.They talk a lot about the just about managing, just about managing face

:11:11. > :11:14.rising food bills because of the lower pound and face rising fuel

:11:15. > :11:21.bills because of the rise in oil and in other commodities. One of the two

:11:22. > :11:24.things you could do to help the just about managing is to cut their food

:11:25. > :11:28.bills and the second would be to cut their fuel bills. At some stage she

:11:29. > :11:31.has to do something for them. We don't know what is going to happen

:11:32. > :11:35.to food bills under Brexit, that could become a really serious issue.

:11:36. > :11:39.They could abolish tariffs. There has been a lot of talking the talk

:11:40. > :11:42.and big announcements put out and not following through so I agree

:11:43. > :11:56.with you on that but lots of Tory MPs will have a big problem on

:11:57. > :11:59.this and the principle of continually talking about

:12:00. > :12:01.interfering in markets, whether it's on executive pay, whether it is on

:12:02. > :12:04.energy, at a time when Britain needs to send out this message to the

:12:05. > :12:07.world in their view, in the view of Brexit supporting MPs, that we are

:12:08. > :12:10.open for business and the government is not about poking around and doing

:12:11. > :12:13.this kind of thing. Of course, you could argue there is not a problem

:12:14. > :12:15.in the market for energy, it is a malfunctioning market that doesn't

:12:16. > :12:18.operate like a free market should, so that provides even Adam Smith,

:12:19. > :12:22.the inventor of market economics would have said on that basis you

:12:23. > :12:26.should intervene. I was in Cardiff to listen to Theresa May's latest

:12:27. > :12:30.explanation for doing this. By the way, we've been waiting nine months,

:12:31. > :12:34.this was one of her big ideas. You are right, let's see a bit of the

:12:35. > :12:38.meat, please. My newspaper has been calling for some pretty hefty

:12:39. > :12:43.government action on this for quite some time. For the just about

:12:44. > :12:47.managings? Yes and specifically to sort out an energy market dominated

:12:48. > :12:51.by the big six, which is manifestly ripping people off left, right and

:12:52. > :12:55.centre. Theresa May's argument in Cardiff on Friday morning which, by

:12:56. > :13:00.the way, went down like a proverbial windbreak at the proverbial funeral

:13:01. > :13:04.because Tories... You know what I mean Andrew, the big hand coming

:13:05. > :13:08.into from the state telling businesses what to do. They went

:13:09. > :13:12.very quiet indeed. They were having saving the union and Nato but there

:13:13. > :13:16.was no clapping for that. The point being, this is what she needs to do

:13:17. > :13:21.to prove her assault, to prove those first words on the steps of Downing

:13:22. > :13:23.Street. We await to see the actions taken.

:13:24. > :13:31.On that unusual agreement we will leave it there. The Daily Politics

:13:32. > :13:34.will be back on BBC Two tomorrow at noon and everyday during the week.

:13:35. > :13:36.And I'll be here on BBC One next Sunday at 11am.

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:14:21. > :14:26.I've not given myself that time to sit down

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