:00:39. > :00:41.It's Sunday morning and this is the Sunday Politics.
:00:42. > :00:44.The local election results made grim reading for Labour.
:00:45. > :00:48.With just a month to go until the general election,
:00:49. > :00:52.will promising to rule out tax rises for all but the well off help
:00:53. > :00:57.The Conservatives have their own announcement on mental health,
:00:58. > :01:00.as they strain every sinew to insist they don't think they've got
:01:01. > :01:07.But is there still really all to play for?
:01:08. > :01:11.And tonight we will find out who is the next
:01:12. > :01:15.President of France - Emmanuel Macron or Marine Le Pen -
:01:16. > :01:18.after an unpredictable campaign that ended with a hack attack
:01:19. > :01:24.on Mr Macron, considered the frontrunner.
:01:25. > :01:30.In the capital, there were no elections but we are looking at the
:01:31. > :01:32.potential impact in marginals next month. If Ukip support continues to
:01:33. > :01:38.evaporate... And joining me for all of that,
:01:39. > :01:42.three journalists ready to analyse the week's politics
:01:43. > :01:45.with all the forensic focus of Diane Abbott
:01:46. > :01:48.preparing for an interview, and all the relaxed,
:01:49. > :01:51.slogan-free banter of Theresa May It's Janan Ganesh, Isabel Oakeshott
:01:52. > :01:56.and Steve Richards. So, the Conservatives are promising,
:01:57. > :02:03.if re-elected, to change mental health laws in England and Wales
:02:04. > :02:06.to tackle discrimination, and they're promising 10,000 more
:02:07. > :02:12.staff working in NHS mental health treatment in England by 2020 -
:02:13. > :02:15.although how that's to be Here's Health Secretary
:02:16. > :02:18.Jeremy Hunt speaking There is a lot of new
:02:19. > :02:25.money going into it. In January, we said we were going
:02:26. > :02:28.to put an extra ?1 billion Does this come from other parts
:02:29. > :02:32.of the NHS, or is it No, it is new money
:02:33. > :02:36.going into the NHS It's not just of course money,
:02:37. > :02:43.it's having the people who deliver these jobs,
:02:44. > :02:45.which is why we need Well, we're joined now from Norwich
:02:46. > :02:50.by the Liberal Democrat health This weekend, they've launched
:02:51. > :02:53.their own health announcement, promising a 1% rise on every income
:02:54. > :03:04.tax band to fund the NHS. Do you welcome the Conservatives
:03:05. > :03:09.putting mental health onto the campaign agenda in the way that they
:03:10. > :03:14.have? I welcome it being on the campaign agenda but I do fear that
:03:15. > :03:19.the announcement is built on thin air. You raised the issue at the
:03:20. > :03:22.start about the 10,000 extra staff, and questions surrounding how it
:03:23. > :03:28.would be paid for. There is no additional money on what they have
:03:29. > :03:34.already announced for the NHS. We know it falls massively short on the
:03:35. > :03:39.expectation of the funding gap which, by 2020, is likely to be
:03:40. > :03:43.about 30 billion. That is not disputed now. Anyone outside of the
:03:44. > :03:47.government, wherever you are on the political spectrum, knows the money
:03:48. > :03:56.going in is simply not enough. So, rather like the claim that they
:03:57. > :04:01.would add 5000 GPs to the workforce by 2020, that is not on target.
:04:02. > :04:06.Latest figures show a fall in the number of GPs. They make these
:04:07. > :04:10.claims, but I'm afraid they are without substance, unless they are
:04:11. > :04:15.prepared to put money behind it. Your party's solution to the money
:04:16. > :04:26.problem is to put a 1% percentage point on all of the bands of income
:04:27. > :04:33.tax to raise more money 20-45. Is that unfair? Most pensioners who
:04:34. > :04:38.consume 40% of NHS spending, but over 65s only pay about 20% of
:04:39. > :04:43.income tax. Are you penalising the younger generations for the health
:04:44. > :04:46.care of an older generation? It is the first step in what we are
:04:47. > :04:52.describing as a 5-point recovery plan for the NHS and care system.
:04:53. > :04:58.So, for what is available to us now, it seems to be the fairest way of
:04:59. > :05:01.bringing in extra resources, income tax is progressive, and is based on
:05:02. > :05:06.your ability to pay for your average British worker. It would be ?3 per
:05:07. > :05:12.week which is the cost of less than two cups of coffee per week. In the
:05:13. > :05:16.longer run, we say that by the end of the next Parliament, we would be
:05:17. > :05:23.able to introduce a dedicated NHS and care tax. Based, probably,
:05:24. > :05:29.around a reformed national insurance system, so it becomes a dedicated
:05:30. > :05:32.NHS and care tax. Interestingly, the former permanent secretary of the
:05:33. > :05:37.Treasury, Nick MacPherson, said clearly that this idea merits
:05:38. > :05:43.further consideration which is the first time anyone for the Treasury
:05:44. > :05:48.has bought into the idea of this. Let me ask you this. You say it is a
:05:49. > :05:52.small amount of tax that people on average incomes will have to pay
:05:53. > :05:58.extra. We are talking about people who have seen no real increases to
:05:59. > :06:03.their income since 2007. They have been struggling to stand still in
:06:04. > :06:07.terms of their own pay, but you are going to add to their tax, and as I
:06:08. > :06:11.said earlier, most of the health care money will then go to
:06:12. > :06:17.pensioners whose incomes have risen by 15%. I'm interested in the
:06:18. > :06:23.fairness of this redistribution? Bearing in mind first of all,
:06:24. > :06:28.Andrew, that the raising of the tax threshold that the Liberal Democrats
:06:29. > :06:33.pushed through in the coalition increased the effective pay in your
:06:34. > :06:38.pocket for basic rate taxpayers by about ?1000. We are talking about a
:06:39. > :06:42.tiny fraction of that. I suppose that you do have to ask, all of us
:06:43. > :06:47.in this country need to ask ourselves this question... Are we
:06:48. > :06:52.prepared to pay, in terms of the average worker, about ?3 extra per
:06:53. > :06:57.week to give us a guarantee that when our loved ones need that care,
:06:58. > :07:02.in their hour of need, perhaps suspected cancer, that care will be
:07:03. > :07:08.available for them? I have heard two cases recently brought my attention.
:07:09. > :07:11.An elderly couple, the wife has a very bad hip. They could not allow
:07:12. > :07:16.the weight to continue. She was told that she would need to wait 26
:07:17. > :07:20.weeks, she was in acute pain. They then deduct paying ?20,000 for
:07:21. > :07:25.private treatment to circumvent waiting time. They hated doing it,
:07:26. > :07:30.because they did not want to jump the queue. But that is what is
:07:31. > :07:33.increasingly happening. Sorry to interrupt, Norman Lamb comedy make
:07:34. > :07:40.very good points but we are short on time today. One final question, it
:07:41. > :07:44.looks like you might have the chance to do any of this, I'm told the best
:07:45. > :07:50.you can hope to do internally is to double the number of seats you have,
:07:51. > :07:55.which would only take you to 18. Do you think that promising to raise
:07:56. > :07:59.people's income tax, even those on average earnings, is a vote winner?
:08:00. > :08:03.I think the people in this country are crying out for politicians to be
:08:04. > :08:09.straight and tenet as it is. At the moment we heading towards a
:08:10. > :08:15.Conservative landslide... -- tell it as it is. But do we want a 1-party
:08:16. > :08:20.state? We are electing a government not only to deal with the crucial
:08:21. > :08:23.Brexit negotiations, but oversee the stewardship of the NHS and funding
:08:24. > :08:26.of our schools, all of these critical issues. We need an
:08:27. > :08:32.effective opposition and with the Labour Party having taken itself off
:08:33. > :08:34.stage, the Liberal Democrats need to provide an effective opposition.
:08:35. > :08:39.Norman Lamb, thank you for joining us this morning. Thank you.
:08:40. > :08:42.Labour and Tories are anxious to stress the general election
:08:43. > :08:44.result is not a foregone conclusion, whatever the polls say.
:08:45. > :08:48.Order you just heard Norman Lamb say there that he thought the
:08:49. > :08:51.Conservatives were heading for a landslide...
:08:52. > :08:54.But did Thursday's dramatic set of local election results
:08:55. > :08:57.in England, Scotland and Wales give us a better idea of how the country
:08:58. > :09:00.Here's Emma Vardy with a behind-the-scenes look at how
:09:01. > :09:04.Good morning, it's seven o'clock on Friday, May 5th...
:09:05. > :09:10.The dawn of another results day. Anticipation hung in the air.
:09:11. > :09:14.Early results from the local elections in England suggest
:09:15. > :09:17.there's been a substantial swing from Labour to the Conservatives.
:09:18. > :09:20.While the pros did their thing, I needed breakfast.
:09:21. > :09:23.Don't tell anyone, but I'm going to pinch a sausage.
:09:24. > :09:25.The overnight counts had delivered successes for the Tories.
:09:26. > :09:27.But with most councils only getting started,
:09:28. > :09:32.there was plenty of action still to come.
:09:33. > :09:35.It's not quite the night of Labour's nightmares.
:09:36. > :09:37.There's enough mixed news in Wales, for example -
:09:38. > :09:40.looks like they're about to hold Cardiff - that they'll try and put
:09:41. > :09:47.But in really simple terms, four weeks from a general election,
:09:48. > :09:49.the Tories are going forward and Labour are going backwards.
:09:50. > :09:54.How does it compare being in here to doing the telly?
:09:55. > :10:01.Huw, how do you prepare yourself for a long day of results, then?
:10:02. > :10:06.We're not even on air yet, as you can see, and already
:10:07. > :10:10.in Tory HQ this morning, there's a kind of, "Oh,
:10:11. > :10:12.I'm scared this will make people think the election's just
:10:13. > :10:16.I think leave it like that - perfect.
:10:17. > :10:19.I want the Laura look. This is really good, isn't it?
:10:20. > :10:23.Usually, we're in here for the Daily Politics.
:10:24. > :10:28.But it's been transformed for the Election Results programme.
:10:29. > :10:39.But hours went by without Ukip winning a single seat.
:10:40. > :10:46.The joke going around Lincolnshire County Council today
:10:47. > :10:48.from the Conservatives is that the Tories have eaten
:10:49. > :10:52.We will rebrand and come back strong.
:10:53. > :10:57.Morale, I think, is inevitably going to take a bit of a tumble.
:10:58. > :11:00.Particularly if Theresa May starts backsliding on Brexit.
:11:01. > :11:03.And then I think we will be totally reinvigorated.
:11:04. > :11:06.There are a lot of good people in Ukip and I wouldn't
:11:07. > :11:09.want to say anything unkind, but we all know it's over.
:11:10. > :11:13.Ukip press officer. Difficult job.
:11:14. > :11:17.Ukip weren't the only ones putting a brave face on it.
:11:18. > :11:19.Labour were experiencing their own disaster day too,
:11:20. > :11:23.losing hundreds of seats and seven councils.
:11:24. > :11:28.If the result is what these results appear to indicate,
:11:29. > :11:32.Can we have a quick word for the Sunday Politics?
:11:33. > :11:41.A quick question for Sunday Politics - how are you feeling?
:11:42. > :11:45.Downhearted or fired up for June? Fired up, absolutely fired up.
:11:46. > :11:47.He's fired up. We're going to go out there...
:11:48. > :11:50.We cannot go on with another five years of this.
:11:51. > :11:53.How's it been for you today? Tiring.
:11:54. > :11:55.It always is, but I love elections, I really enjoy them.
:11:56. > :12:00.Yes, you know, obviously we're disappointed at some of the results,
:12:01. > :12:02.it's been a mixed bag, but some opinion polls
:12:03. > :12:07.and commentators predicted we'd be wiped out - we haven't.
:12:08. > :12:10.As for the Lib Dems, not the resurgence they hoped for,
:12:11. > :12:18.After a dead heat in Northumberland, the control of a whole council came
:12:19. > :12:26.The section of England in which we had elections yesterday
:12:27. > :12:30.was the section of England that was most likely to vote Leave.
:12:31. > :12:33.When you go to sleep at night, do you just have election results
:12:34. > :12:40.The answer is if that's still happening, I don't get to sleep.
:12:41. > :12:41.There we go. Maybe practice some yoga...
:12:42. > :12:46.Thank you very much but I have one here.
:12:47. > :12:50.With the introduction of six regional mayors,
:12:51. > :12:53.Labour's Andy Burnham became Mr Manchester.
:12:54. > :12:55.But by the time Corbyn came to celebrate, the new mayor
:12:56. > :13:02.We want you to stay for a second because I've got some
:13:03. > :13:04.I used to present news, as you probably know.
:13:05. > :13:07.I used to present BBC Breakfast in the morning.
:13:08. > :13:09.The SNP had notable successes, ending 40 years of Labour
:13:10. > :13:16.What did you prefer - presenting or politics?
:13:17. > :13:22.And it certainly had been a hard day at the office for some.
:13:23. > :13:27.Ukip's foothold in local government was all but wiped out,
:13:28. > :13:28.leaving the Conservatives with their best local
:13:29. > :13:34.So another election results day draws to a close.
:13:35. > :13:37.But don't worry, we'll be doing it all again in five weeks' time.
:13:38. > :13:39.For now, though, that's your lot. Off you go.
:13:40. > :13:52.Now let's look at some of Thursday's results in a little more detail,
:13:53. > :13:54.and what they might mean for the wider fortunes
:13:55. > :14:06.In England, there were elections for 34 councils.
:14:07. > :14:08.The Conservatives took control of ten of them,
:14:09. > :14:10.gaining over 300 seats, while Labour sustained
:14:11. > :14:15.While the Lib Dems lost 28 seats, Ukip came close to extinction,
:14:16. > :14:20.and can now boast of only one councillor in the whole of England.
:14:21. > :14:22.In Scotland, the big story was Labour losing
:14:23. > :14:25.a third of their seats, and control of three councils -
:14:26. > :14:28.while the Tories more than doubled their number of councillors.
:14:29. > :14:32.In Wales, both the Conservatives and Plaid Cymru made gains,
:14:33. > :14:37.There was some encouraging news for Jeremy Corbyn's party
:14:38. > :14:39.after Liverpool and Manchester both elected Labour mayors,
:14:40. > :14:47.although the Tories narrowly won the West Midlands mayoral race.
:14:48. > :14:49.We're joined now by who else but elections expert John Curtice.
:14:50. > :14:53.You saw him in Emma's film, he's now back in Glasgow.
:14:54. > :15:07.In broad terms, what do these local election results tell us about the
:15:08. > :15:12.general election result? First we have to remember what Theresa May
:15:13. > :15:15.wants to achieve in the general election is a landslide, and winning
:15:16. > :15:19.a landslide means you have to win big in terms of votes. The local
:15:20. > :15:23.election results certainly suggest Theresa May is well on course to win
:15:24. > :15:27.the general election, at least with four weeks to go, and of course
:15:28. > :15:31.people could change their minds. We all agree the Conservatives were
:15:32. > :15:36.double-digit figures ahead of Labour in these elections. However, whereas
:15:37. > :15:43.the opinion polls on average at the moment suggest there is a 17 point
:15:44. > :15:45.Conservative lead, and that definitely would deliver a
:15:46. > :15:47.landslide, it seems the local election figures, at least in
:15:48. > :15:51.England, are pointing to something close to an 11 point Conservative
:15:52. > :15:58.lead. That increase would not necessarily deliver a landslide that
:15:59. > :16:02.she wants. The truth is, the next four weeks are probably not about
:16:03. > :16:05.who wins this election unless something dramatic changes, but
:16:06. > :16:08.there is still a battle as to whether or not Theresa May achieves
:16:09. > :16:13.her objective of winning a landslide. She has to win big. The
:16:14. > :16:17.local elections as she is not sure to be there, and therefore she is
:16:18. > :16:22.going to have to campaign hard. Equally, while Labour did have most
:16:23. > :16:26.prospect of winning, they still at least at the goal of trying to keep
:16:27. > :16:31.the conservative majority relatively low, and therefore the Parliamentary
:16:32. > :16:35.Labour Party are alive and kicking. Interesting that the local election
:16:36. > :16:39.results don't produce a landslide if replicated on June 8th, but when I
:16:40. > :16:45.looked at when local elections had taken place a month before the
:16:46. > :16:50.general election, it was in 1983 and 1987. The Tories did well in both
:16:51. > :16:53.local elections in these years, but come the general election, they
:16:54. > :16:57.added five points to their share of the vote. No reason it should happen
:16:58. > :17:01.again, but if it did, that would take them into landslide territory.
:17:02. > :17:05.Absolutely right, if they do five points better than the local
:17:06. > :17:11.elections, they are in landslide territory. We have to remember, in
:17:12. > :17:16.1983, the Labour Party ran an inept campaign and their support ballet.
:17:17. > :17:22.In 1987, David Owen and David Steele could not keep to the same lines. --
:17:23. > :17:25.their support fell away. That underlines how well the opposition
:17:26. > :17:29.campaign in the next four weeks does potentially matter in terms of
:17:30. > :17:34.Theresa May's ability to achieve their objective. It is worth
:17:35. > :17:38.noticing in the opinion polls, two things have happened, first, Ukip
:17:39. > :17:41.voters, a significant slice going to the Conservatives, which helped to
:17:42. > :17:45.increase the Conservative leader in the bowels. But in the last week,
:17:46. > :17:51.the Labour vote seems to have recovered. -- in the polls. So the
:17:52. > :17:57.party is not that far short of what Ed Miliband got in 2015, so the
:17:58. > :18:00.Conservative leader is back down to 16 or 17, as we started. So we
:18:01. > :18:06.should not necessarily presume Labour are going to go backwards in
:18:07. > :18:11.the way they did in 1983. I want to finish by asking if there are deeper
:18:12. > :18:14.forces at work? Whether the referendum in this country is
:18:15. > :18:18.producing a realignment in British politics. The Scottish referendum
:18:19. > :18:23.has produced a kind of realignment in Scotland. And in a different way,
:18:24. > :18:30.the Brexit referendum has produced a realignment in England and Wales. Do
:18:31. > :18:33.you agree? You are quite right. Referendums are potentially
:18:34. > :18:37.disruptive in Scotland, they helped to ensure the constitutional
:18:38. > :18:41.question became the central issue, and the 45% who voted yes our been
:18:42. > :18:45.faithful to the SNP since. Although the SNP put in a relatively
:18:46. > :18:51.disappointing performance in Scotland on Thursday. Equally, south
:18:52. > :18:54.of the border, on the leave side, in the past 12 months and particularly
:18:55. > :18:59.the last few weeks, the Conservatives have corralled the
:19:00. > :19:03.leave vote, about two thirds of those who voted leave now say they
:19:04. > :19:08.will vote Conservative. Last summer, the figure was only 50%. On the
:19:09. > :19:17.remain side, the vote is still fragmented. The reason why Theresa
:19:18. > :19:21.May is in the strong position she is is not simply because the leave vote
:19:22. > :19:30.has been realigned, but the remain vote has not. Thank you for joining
:19:31. > :19:33.us. You can go through polls and wonder who is up and down, but I
:19:34. > :19:38.wonder whether the Scottish and Brexit referendums have produced
:19:39. > :19:46.fundamental changes. In Scotland, the real division now is between the
:19:47. > :19:50.centre-left Nationalist party and the centre-right Unionist party.
:19:51. > :19:54.That has had the consequence of squeezing out Labour in the
:19:55. > :19:59.argument, never mind the Greens and the Lib Dems. In London, England,
:20:00. > :20:05.Wales, the Brexit referendum seems to have produced a realignment of
:20:06. > :20:14.the right to the Tories' advantage, and some trouble for the Labour blue
:20:15. > :20:20.vote -- blue-collar vote. It works for the pro Brexit end of the
:20:21. > :20:24.spectrum but not the other half. In the last century, we had people like
:20:25. > :20:27.Roy Jenkins dreaming of and writing about the realignment of British
:20:28. > :20:31.politics as though it could be consciously engineered, and in fact
:20:32. > :20:36.what made it happen was just the calling of a referendum. It's not
:20:37. > :20:39.something you can put about as a politician, it flows from below,
:20:40. > :20:45.when the public begin to think of politics in terms of single issues,
:20:46. > :20:49.dominant issues, such as leaving the European Union. Rather than a broad
:20:50. > :20:55.spectrum designed by a political class. I wonder whether now Remain
:20:56. > :20:59.have it in them to coalesce behind a single party. It doesn't look like
:21:00. > :21:02.they can do it behind Labour. The Liberal Democrats are frankly too
:21:03. > :21:07.small in Parliament to constitute that kind of force. The closest
:21:08. > :21:11.thing to a powerful Remain party is the SNP which by definition has
:21:12. > :21:18.limited appeal south of the border. It is hard. The realignment. We
:21:19. > :21:21.don't know if it is permanent or how dramatic it will be, but there is
:21:22. > :21:25.some kind of realignment going on. At the moment, it seems to be a
:21:26. > :21:31.realignment that by and large is to the benefit of the Conservatives.
:21:32. > :21:34.Without a doubt, and that can be directly attributed to the
:21:35. > :21:36.disappearance of Ukip from the political landscape. I have been
:21:37. > :21:41.saying since the referendum that I thought Ukip was finished. They
:21:42. > :21:45.still seem to be staggering on under the illusion... Some people may have
:21:46. > :21:49.picked up on Nigel Farage this morning saying that Ukip still had a
:21:50. > :21:53.strong role to play until Brexit actually happens. But I think it's
:21:54. > :21:57.very, very hard to convince the voters of that, because they feel
:21:58. > :22:00.that, with the result of the referendum, that was Ukip's job
:22:01. > :22:06.done. And those votes are not going to delay the party -- to the Labour
:22:07. > :22:12.Party because of the flaws with Jeremy Corbyn's leadership, they are
:22:13. > :22:16.shifting to the Tories. I agree. The key issue was the referendum. It has
:22:17. > :22:20.produced a fundamental change that few predicted at the time it was
:22:21. > :22:25.called. Most fundamental of all, it has brought about a unity in the
:22:26. > :22:28.Conservative Party. With some exceptions, but they are now off
:22:29. > :22:34.editing the Evening Standard and other things! This is now a party
:22:35. > :22:40.united around Brexit. Since 1992, the Tories have been split over
:22:41. > :22:43.Europe, at times fatally so. The referendum, in ways that David
:22:44. > :22:48.Cameron did not anticipate, has brought about a united front for
:22:49. > :22:52.this election. In a way, this is a sequel to the referendum, because
:22:53. > :22:55.it's about Brexit but we still don't know what form Brexit is going to
:22:56. > :23:01.take. By calling it early, Theresa May has in effect got another go at
:23:02. > :23:05.a kind of Brexit referendum without knowing what Brexit is, with a
:23:06. > :23:07.united Tory party behind her. We shall see if it is a blip or a
:23:08. > :23:11.long-term trend in British politics. Now let's turn to Labour's big
:23:12. > :23:13.campaign announcement today, and that was the promise of no
:23:14. > :23:16.income tax rise for those earning less than ?80,000 -
:23:17. > :23:18.which of course means those earning more than that could
:23:19. > :23:20.face an increase. Here's Shadow Chancellor John
:23:21. > :23:30.McDonell on the BBC earlier. What we are saying today, anyone
:23:31. > :23:34.earning below ?80,000, we will guarantee you will not have an
:23:35. > :23:37.increase in income tax, VAT or national insurance contributions.
:23:38. > :23:42.For those above 80,000, we are asking them to pay a modest bit more
:23:43. > :23:46.to fund our public services. A modest bit. You will see it will be
:23:47. > :23:53.a modest increase. Talking about modest increases, so we can have a
:23:54. > :23:56.society which we believe everyone shares the benefits of.
:23:57. > :24:01.We're joined now by Shadow Justice Secretary Richard Burgon, in Leeds.
:24:02. > :24:07.Mr McDonnell stressed that for those earning over 80,000, they would be
:24:08. > :24:12.paying more but it would be modest. He used the word modest 45 times.
:24:13. > :24:19.But there is only 1.2 million of them. -- 4-5 times. So that would
:24:20. > :24:25.not raise much money. This is about the key part of this tax policy for
:24:26. > :24:29.the many, not the few. We are saying that low earners and middle earners
:24:30. > :24:33.won't be paying more tax under a Labour government, which is not a
:24:34. > :24:37.policy the Conservatives have committed to yet. As John McDonnell
:24:38. > :24:44.also said in his interview earlier, if there is a tax rise on the top 5%
:24:45. > :24:49.of earners, earning over ?80,000, it would be a modest rise. I am trying
:24:50. > :24:55.to work out what that would mean in terms of money. If it is too modest,
:24:56. > :24:58.you don't raise much. What will happen is the Labour Party's
:24:59. > :25:04.manifesto, published in the next couple of weeks, wilfully set out
:25:05. > :25:13.and cost it. I can't make an announcement now. -- will fully set
:25:14. > :25:16.out and cost it. Moving on to the local elections, Mr Corbyn says he
:25:17. > :25:22.is closing the gap with the Tories. What evidence is there? John Curtis
:25:23. > :25:28.just said there was an 11% gap in the results, Labour 11% behind. The
:25:29. > :25:33.polls before that suggested Labour were anything up to 20% behind. Was
:25:34. > :25:39.it a great day for Labour? Certainly not. Is there a lot to do between
:25:40. > :25:44.now and June? Sure, but we are relishing every moment of that.
:25:45. > :25:48.Comparing equivalent elections in 2013, the Tories increased their
:25:49. > :25:58.share of the vote by 13%. You lost 2%. That's a net of 15%. In what way
:25:59. > :26:04.is that closing the gap? We have gone down to 11 points behind. Am I
:26:05. > :26:09.satisfied? Certainly not. Is Labour satisfied? Certainly not. A week is
:26:10. > :26:13.a long time in politics, 4-5 weeks is even longer. The local elections
:26:14. > :26:17.are over, the general election campaign is starting, and we want to
:26:18. > :26:22.put out there the policies that will improve the lives of low and middle
:26:23. > :26:28.income earners. And also many people looking to be well off as well. You
:26:29. > :26:33.lost 133 seats in Scotland. Are you closing the gap in Scotland? The
:26:34. > :26:37.journey back for Labour in Scotland, I always thought, wouldn't be an
:26:38. > :26:42.easy one. Since the council election results and Scotland that we are
:26:43. > :26:46.comparing this to, there has been an independence referendum and the
:26:47. > :26:50.terrible results for Labour in the 2015 general election. So it is a
:26:51. > :26:54.challenge, but one hundreds of thousands of Labour members are
:26:55. > :26:56.determined to meet. That is why we're talking about bread and butter
:26:57. > :27:04.policies to make people's lives better. These local elections took
:27:05. > :27:10.place midtown. Normally mid-term was the worst time for a government. --
:27:11. > :27:16.took place midterm. And the best for an opposition. That is a feature of
:27:17. > :27:21.British politics. So why did you lose 382 councillors in a midterm
:27:22. > :27:26.election? As Andy Burnham said when he gave his acceptance speech after
:27:27. > :27:31.his terrific first ballot result win in Manchester, it was an evening of
:27:32. > :27:36.mixed results for Labour. Generally bad, wasn't it? Why did you lose all
:27:37. > :27:41.of these councillors midterm? It is not a welcome result for Labour, I
:27:42. > :27:45.am not going to be deluded. But what I and the Labour Party are focused
:27:46. > :27:50.on is the next four weeks. And how we are going to put across policies
:27:51. > :27:55.like free school meals for primary school children, ?10 an hour minimum
:27:56. > :28:01.wage, the pledge not to increase tax for low and middle earners, 95% of
:28:02. > :28:04.earners in this country. And saving the NHS from privatisation and
:28:05. > :28:08.funding it properly. These are just some of the policies, including by
:28:09. > :28:13.the way a boost in carers' allowance, that will make the lives
:28:14. > :28:19.of people in Britain better off. Labour are for the many, not for the
:28:20. > :28:24.few. But people like from political parties aspiring to government is to
:28:25. > :28:28.be united and to be singing from the same song sheet among the leaders.
:28:29. > :28:32.You mentioned Andy Burnham. Why did he not join Mr Corbyn when Jeremy
:28:33. > :28:38.Corbyn went to the rally in Manchester on Friday to celebrate
:28:39. > :28:41.his victory? First of all, Andy Burnham did a radio interview
:28:42. > :28:45.straight after his great victory in which he said Jeremy Corbyn helped
:28:46. > :28:51.him to win votes in that election. Why didn't he turn up? As to the
:28:52. > :28:57.reason Andy Burnham wasn't there at the meeting Jeremy was doing in
:28:58. > :29:00.Manchester, it was because, I understand, Andy was booked into
:29:01. > :29:05.celebrate his victory with his family that night. I don't begrudge
:29:06. > :29:08.him that and hopefully you don't. The leader has made the effort to
:29:09. > :29:12.travel to Manchester to celebrate one of the few victories you enjoyed
:29:13. > :29:17.on Thursday, surely you would join the leader and celebrate together?
:29:18. > :29:22.Well, I don't regard, and I am sure you don't, Andy Burnham a nice time
:29:23. > :29:28.with his family... -- I don't begrudge. He made it clear Jeremy
:29:29. > :29:36.Corbyn assisted him. I can see you are not convinced yourself. I am
:29:37. > :29:40.convinced. The outgoing Labour leader in Derbyshire lost his seat
:29:41. > :29:46.on Thursday, you lost Derbyshire, which was a surprise in itself... He
:29:47. > :29:50.said that genuine party supporters said they were not voting Labour
:29:51. > :29:57.while you have Jeremy Corbyn as leader. Are you hearing that on the
:29:58. > :30:01.doorstep too? I have been knocking on hundreds of doors this week in my
:30:02. > :30:05.constituency and elsewhere. And of course, you never get every single
:30:06. > :30:11.voter thinking the leader of any political party is the greatest
:30:12. > :30:15.thing since sliced bread. But it's only on a minority of doorsteps that
:30:16. > :30:19.people are criticising the Labour leader. Most people aren't even
:30:20. > :30:24.talking about these questions. Most people are talking about Jeremy
:30:25. > :30:31.Corbyn's policies, free primary school meals, ?10 an hour minimum
:30:32. > :30:34.wage. Also policies such as paternity pay, maternity pay and
:30:35. > :30:38.sickness pay for the self-employed, that have been hard-pressed under
:30:39. > :30:40.this government. So I don't recognise that pitch of despondency,
:30:41. > :30:46.but I understand that in different areas, in local elections,
:30:47. > :30:50.perspectives are different. That was Derbyshire. The outgoing Labour
:30:51. > :30:53.leader of Nottinghamshire County Council said there was concern on
:30:54. > :30:59.the doorstep about whether Jeremy Corbyn was the right person to lead
:31:00. > :31:03.the Labour Party, and even Rotherham, loyal to Mr Corbyn, won
:31:04. > :31:10.the mail contest in Liverpool, he said that the Labour leader was more
:31:11. > :31:14.might on the doorstep. -- the mayor contest. Does that explain some of
:31:15. > :31:18.the performance on Thursday? I am confident that in the next four
:31:19. > :31:23.weeks, when we get into coverage on television, that people will see
:31:24. > :31:27.further the kind of open leadership Jeremy provides. In contrast to
:31:28. > :31:31.Theresa May's refusal to meet ordinary people. She came to my
:31:32. > :31:34.constituency and I don't think that a single person who lives here. And
:31:35. > :31:38.also she is ducking the chance to debate with Jeremy Corbyn on TV. She
:31:39. > :31:45.should do it and let the people decide. I don't know why she won't.
:31:46. > :31:49.Finally, the Labour mantra is that you are the party of the ordinary
:31:50. > :32:02.people, why is it the case that among what advertisers call C2s, D
:32:03. > :32:08.and E', how can you on the pulse of that social group, how can you do
:32:09. > :32:12.that? Our policy is to assist, protect and improve the living
:32:13. > :32:16.standards of people in those groups and our policy is to protect the
:32:17. > :32:20.living standards of the majority... They do not seem to be convinced? We
:32:21. > :32:22.have four weeks to convince them and I believe that we will. Thank you
:32:23. > :32:25.for coming onto the programme. But the wooden spoon from Thursday's
:32:26. > :32:31.elections undoubtedly went to Ukip. Four years ago the party
:32:32. > :32:33.won its best ever local government performance,
:32:34. > :32:36.but this time its support just Ukip's share of the vote
:32:37. > :32:39.plunging by as much as 18 points, most obviously
:32:40. > :32:42.benefiting the Conservatives. So is it all over for
:32:43. > :32:45.the self-styled people's army? Well we're joined now
:32:46. > :32:47.by the party's leader in the Welsh Assembly,
:32:48. > :32:57.Neil Hamilton, he's in Cardiff. Neil Hamilton, welcome. Ukip
:32:58. > :33:02.finished local elections gaining the same number of councillors as the
:33:03. > :33:07.Rubbish Party, one. That sums up your prospects, doesn't
:33:08. > :33:14.it? Rubbish? We have been around a long time and seemed that I'd go
:33:15. > :33:18.out, go in again, we will keep calm and carry on. We are in a phoney
:33:19. > :33:22.war, negotiations on Brexit have not started but what we know from
:33:23. > :33:26.Theresa May is that in seven years, as Home Secretary and Prime
:33:27. > :33:29.Minister, she has completely failed to control immigration which was one
:33:30. > :33:36.of the great driving forces behind the Brexit result. I'm not really
:33:37. > :33:39.looking for any great success in immigration from the Tories, and a
:33:40. > :33:43.lot of people who have previously voted for Ukip will be back in our
:33:44. > :33:49.part of the field again. They don't seem to care about that at the
:33:50. > :33:55.moment, your party lost 147 council seats. You gain one. It is time to
:33:56. > :33:58.shut up shop, isn't it? You are right, the voters are not focusing
:33:59. > :34:01.on other domestic issues at the moment. They have made up their
:34:02. > :34:07.minds going into these negotiations in Brussels, Theresa May, as Prime
:34:08. > :34:12.Minister, needs as much support as she can get. I think they are wrong
:34:13. > :34:17.in this respect, it would be better to have a cohort of Ukip MPs to back
:34:18. > :34:23.her up. She was greatly helped by the intervention of Mr Juncker last
:34:24. > :34:27.week as well, the stupidity in how the European Commission has tried to
:34:28. > :34:30.bully the British government, in those circumstances the British
:34:31. > :34:36.people will react in one way going the opposite way to what the
:34:37. > :34:39.Brussels establishment one. She has been fortunate as an acute tactician
:34:40. > :34:43.in having the election now. I struggle to see the way back for
:34:44. > :34:48.your party. You aren't a threat to the Tories in the south. Ukip voters
:34:49. > :34:53.are flocking to the Tories in the south. You don't threaten Labour in
:34:54. > :34:56.the north. It is the Tories who threaten Labour now in the north.
:34:57. > :35:02.There is no room to progress, is there? The reality will be is that
:35:03. > :35:06.once we are back on the domestic agenda again, and the Brexit
:35:07. > :35:12.negotiations are concluded, we will know what the outcome is. And the
:35:13. > :35:15.focus will be on bread and butter issues. We have all sorts of
:35:16. > :35:21.policies in our programme which other parties cannot match us on.
:35:22. > :35:25.The talk is putting up taxes to help the health service, we would scrap
:35:26. > :35:28.the foreign aid budget and put another ?8 billion in the health
:35:29. > :35:34.service, no other party says that. These policies would be popular with
:35:35. > :35:38.the ordinary working person. Is Paul Nuttall to blame on the meltdown of
:35:39. > :35:42.what happened, no matter who is leader? These are cosmic forces
:35:43. > :35:46.beyond the control of any individual at the moment, it is certainly not
:35:47. > :35:51.Paul Nuttall's .com he's been in the job for six months and in half that
:35:52. > :35:57.time he was fighting a by-election -- certainly not Paul Nuttall's
:35:58. > :36:00.fault. We have two become more professional than we have been
:36:01. > :36:06.recently. It has not been a brilliant year for Ukip one way or
:36:07. > :36:09.another, as you know, but there are prospects, in future, that are very
:36:10. > :36:13.rosy. I do not believe that the Tories will deliver on other
:36:14. > :36:17.promises that they are now making. The Welsh assembly elections are not
:36:18. > :36:21.until 2021, you are a member of that, but at that point you will not
:36:22. > :36:27.have any MEPs, because we will be out on the timetable. With this
:36:28. > :36:34.current showing he will have no end', you could be Ukip's most
:36:35. > :36:41.senior elected representative. That would be a turnout for the books! --
:36:42. > :36:45.no elected MPs. The Tories are not promoting the policies that I
:36:46. > :36:50.believe them. You will see that in the Ukip manifesto when it is
:36:51. > :37:00.shortly publish... Leaders talk mainly about the male genital
:37:01. > :37:05.mutilation and is -- female and burqas. No, when the manifesto
:37:06. > :37:12.launched, we have a lot of policies, I spoke moments ago about it, but
:37:13. > :37:17.also on foreign aid. Scrapping green taxes, to cut people's electricity
:37:18. > :37:25.bills by ?300 per year on average. There are a lot of popular policies
:37:26. > :37:29.that we have. We will hear more from that in the weeks to come.
:37:30. > :37:34.Paul Nuttall said "If the price of written leaving the year is a Tory
:37:35. > :37:39.advance after taking up this patriarch course, it is a price that
:37:40. > :37:43.Ukip is prepared to pay". That sounds like a surrender statement?
:37:44. > :37:49.It is a statement of fact, the main agenda is to get out of the EU and
:37:50. > :37:55.have full Brexit. That is why Ukip came into existence 20 years ago.
:37:56. > :37:59.When it is achieved, we go back to the normal political battle lines.
:38:00. > :38:03.Niall Hamilton in Cardiff, thank you very much for joining us.
:38:04. > :38:05.It's just gone 11.35am, you're watching the Sunday Politics.
:38:06. > :38:08.We say goodbye to viewers in Scotland, who leave us now
:38:09. > :38:12.Coming up here in 20 minutes - we'll be talking about the French
:38:13. > :38:12.presidential election ahead of tonight's result.
:38:13. > :01:16.presidential election ahead housing associations and investment,
:01:17. > :01:26.but we have run out of time, thank you. Andrew.
:01:27. > :01:33.Four weeks to go until polling day on the 8th of June, what will the
:01:34. > :01:37.party strategies be for the remaining four weeks? Let's begin
:01:38. > :01:43.with the Conservatives. Do they just try to continue to play it safe for
:01:44. > :01:47.four weeks? Yes, with this important qualification. Theresa May Corp this
:01:48. > :01:51.election to get her own personal mandate partly, partly because she
:01:52. > :01:57.thought she would win big but to get her own personal mandate. Therefore,
:01:58. > :02:02.she needs to define it. In her own interests and to do with
:02:03. > :02:06.accountability to the country. So clearly, they will not take risks
:02:07. > :02:07.when they are so far ahead in the polls. What they do say in the
:02:08. > :02:14.manifesto matters in terms of the space that she has in
:02:15. > :02:19.the coming years to define her leadership against David Cameron 's.
:02:20. > :02:23.She is a free figure, partly on the basis of what she says as to how big
:02:24. > :02:34.she wins. They cannot just play it safe and repeat their mantra of
:02:35. > :02:39.strong and stable leadership, if she is going to claim her own mandate,
:02:40. > :02:42.they need the top policy? Yes, and what is unusual about this is that
:02:43. > :02:46.the manifesto matters far more because of what they need to do with
:02:47. > :02:51.it afterwards, than in terms of whether it is going to win anybody
:02:52. > :02:55.over now. Clearly, the strategy is yes, we do have two layout out a few
:02:56. > :02:59.things, there are interesting debates as to whether, for example,
:03:00. > :03:02.they will still commit to this ambition of reducing immigration to
:03:03. > :03:06.the tens of thousands, we do not know the answer yet. It is a
:03:07. > :03:12.question on whether she is setting herself up for difficulties later
:03:13. > :03:18.on. It will be a short manifesto, I would venture to guess? It is in her
:03:19. > :03:23.interests to be as noncommittal as possible, that argues for a short
:03:24. > :03:27.manifesto but what does strike me about the Conservative campaign,
:03:28. > :03:31.aside from the ambiguity on policy, is how personal it is. I think
:03:32. > :03:36.Theresa May, in her most recent speech, referred to "My local
:03:37. > :03:39.candidates", rather than Parliamentary candidates, very much
:03:40. > :03:45.framing it as a presidential candidate in France or the USA. Not
:03:46. > :03:50.a rational on her part. Everything I hear from the MPs on the ground and
:03:51. > :03:54.the focus groups being done by the parties, is that a big chunk of the
:03:55. > :03:58.population personally identify with her. If you can wrap up Middle
:03:59. > :04:03.England into a physical object and embody it in a person, it would be
:04:04. > :04:07.her. Although Jeremy Corbyn's unpopularity accounts for a big
:04:08. > :04:10.slice of her popularity, she has done a good job of bonding with the
:04:11. > :04:16.public. We never saw that coming! But you may well be right. That is
:04:17. > :04:20.happening now. Labour say it wants the Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell
:04:21. > :04:22.to play a more prominent role in the Labour campaign, he was on The
:04:23. > :04:26.Andrew Marr Show this morning and he was asked if he was a Marxist, he
:04:27. > :04:32.denied that he was. It surprised me as I had seen tape from before
:04:33. > :04:40.saying that he was proud of it. Let's look now and then. Are you a
:04:41. > :04:43.Marxist? I believe that there is a lot to learn... Yes or no? I believe
:04:44. > :04:49.that there is a lot to learn from reading capital, that is recommended
:04:50. > :04:52.not only by me but measuring economists as well. I also believe
:04:53. > :05:00.that in the long tradition of the Labour Party... We need to demand
:05:01. > :05:05.systemic change. I am a Marxist. This is a classic crisis of the
:05:06. > :05:11.economy. A capitalist crisis. I've been waiting for this for a
:05:12. > :05:16.generation! That was from about four years ago. No, I'm not a Marxist,
:05:17. > :05:19.yes, I am a Marxist... I've been waiting for the Marxist revolution
:05:20. > :05:24.my whole life... Does this kind of thing matter? Yes, but in fairness,
:05:25. > :05:30.I think he is a really good interviewee. The Shadow Cabinet have
:05:31. > :05:35.untested figures in a national campaign. None have ever been
:05:36. > :05:38.exposed at any level to a national media campaign that they are about
:05:39. > :05:43.to experience. He is the best interviewee. In fairness to him,
:05:44. > :05:49.when he gave that clip four years ago, I bet he never dream that he
:05:50. > :05:53.would be in a senior front bench position. But the background is
:05:54. > :05:56.clear. They are of the left, and I think they would all have described
:05:57. > :06:03.it. Jeremy Corbyn would have done, he is close to being like Tony Benn.
:06:04. > :06:08.There are about four Labour campaign is being fought in this election.
:06:09. > :06:11.Their campaign, the old Shadow Cabinet, campaigning in
:06:12. > :06:17.constituencies, but not identifying with that campaign. There is the
:06:18. > :06:22.former Labour leader Tony Blair. Is it damaging? I think so, if they
:06:23. > :06:26.could be damaged any further, I could see all of the Labour MPs with
:06:27. > :06:30.their heads in their hands. What I am hearing from Labour MPs is that
:06:31. > :06:34.there is not one of them who do not feel that they have a horrendous
:06:35. > :06:38.battle on their hands. These will be very individual local campaigns,
:06:39. > :06:42.where local MPs are winning despite the party leadership and not because
:06:43. > :06:49.of it. Already, talk is turning to what happens next. Is there anyway
:06:50. > :06:54.that Jeremy Corbyn, giving a horrendous set of general election
:06:55. > :06:59.results as many anticipate, may stay on all the same? It is not clear
:07:00. > :07:04.that even if the polls are right, that Mr Corbyn will go? John
:07:05. > :07:08.McDonnell implied it might not be the case but previously, he said it
:07:09. > :07:14.would be. What do you make of reports that the Labour strategy is
:07:15. > :07:17.not, I cannot quite believe I am saying this, not to win seats but
:07:18. > :07:23.maximise a share of the vote. If they do better than Ed Miliband with
:07:24. > :07:28.30.5% of the vote, they believe they live to fight another day? Yes, it
:07:29. > :07:31.reminded me of Tony Benn's speech after the 1983 election where they
:07:32. > :07:36.said as bad as the Parliamentary defeat was there were 8 million
:07:37. > :07:44.votes for socialism. A big section of public opinion voted for that
:07:45. > :07:49.manifesto. I wonder whether that is Corbyn's supporters best chance of
:07:50. > :07:54.holding onto power. Whether they can say that those votes are a platform
:07:55. > :07:57.on which we can build. That said, even moderate Labour MPs and
:07:58. > :08:02.desperate for a quick leadership contest. I hear a lot of them say
:08:03. > :08:06.that they would like to leave it for one year. Maybe have Tom Watson as
:08:07. > :08:10.an acting Labour leader. He would still have a mandate. Give the top
:08:11. > :08:14.party a chance to regroup and get rid of some of its problems and
:08:15. > :08:17.decide where it stands on policy. Most importantly, for potential
:08:18. > :08:21.candidates to show what they are made of, rather than lurching
:08:22. > :08:26.straight into an Yvette Cooper Coronation. 30 seconds on the
:08:27. > :08:33.Liberal Democrats, their strategy was to mop up the Remain vote.
:08:34. > :08:40.Uncertain about the Brexit party in demise. Ukip. The remain as have a
:08:41. > :08:47.dilemma, the little Democrats are not a strong enough vessel with 89
:08:48. > :08:52.MPs to risk all ongoing for them -- the Liberal Democrats. Labour do not
:08:53. > :08:57.know where they stand on Brexit. There is not a robust alternative
:08:58. > :09:05.vessel for what is now a pro-Brexit Conservative Party. At the moment.
:09:06. > :09:07.Four weeks to go, but not for France...
:09:08. > :09:10.France has been voting since early this morning, and we should get
:09:11. > :09:12.a first estimate of who will be the country's next President
:09:13. > :09:16.Just to warn you there are some flashing images coming up.
:09:17. > :09:18.The choice in France is between a centre-left liberal
:09:19. > :09:20.reformer Emmanuel Macron and a right-wing nationalist
:09:21. > :09:23.Marine Le Pen - both have been casting their votes this morning.
:09:24. > :09:25.The two candidates topped a field of 11 presidential
:09:26. > :09:27.hopefuls in the first round of elections last month.
:09:28. > :09:30.The campaign has been marked by its unpredictability,
:09:31. > :09:36.and in a final twist on Friday evening, just before
:09:37. > :09:38.campaigning officially ended, Mr Macron's En Marche! group said
:09:39. > :09:43.it had been the victim of a "massive" hack,
:09:44. > :09:46.with a trove of documents released online.
:09:47. > :09:48.The Macron team said real documents were mixed up with fake ones,
:09:49. > :09:51.and electoral authorities warned media and the public that spreading
:09:52. > :10:01.details of the leaks would breach strict election rules.
:10:02. > :10:03.I'm joined now from Paris by the journalist
:10:04. > :10:16.As I left Paris recently, everybody told me that there was the consensus
:10:17. > :10:21.that Mr Macron would win, and win pretty comfortable you. Is there any
:10:22. > :10:26.reason to doubt that? -- pretty comfortably. I don't think so, there
:10:27. > :10:31.have been so many people left and right, former candidates who have
:10:32. > :10:36.decided that it was more important to vote for Macron, even if it was
:10:37. > :10:41.agreed with him, then run the risk of having Marine Le Pen as
:10:42. > :10:46.president. I think the spread is now 20 points, 60% to Macron, 40% to Le
:10:47. > :10:52.Pen. So outside of the margin of error that it would take something
:10:53. > :10:56.huge for this to be observed. If the polls are right and Mr Macron wins,
:10:57. > :11:02.he has to put together a government, and in May there is a Coronation,
:11:03. > :11:08.then he faces parliamentary elections in June and could face a
:11:09. > :11:13.fractured parliament where he does not have a clear majority for his
:11:14. > :11:18.reforms. He could then faced difficulties in getting his
:11:19. > :11:22.programme through? I think that right now, with how things are
:11:23. > :11:27.looking, considering you have one half of the Republican party, the
:11:28. > :11:33.Conservative Party, they are making clear sides, not only that they want
:11:34. > :11:38.to support Macron but are supporting him actively. It means looking at
:11:39. > :11:42.the equivalent of the German party, the great coalition. Depending on
:11:43. > :11:46.how many seats established parties keep in the house committee may very
:11:47. > :11:58.well have a Republican Prime Minister, rather than having an
:11:59. > :12:06.adversarial MP, he may have someone who is relatively unknown outside of
:12:07. > :12:12.France, and a young woman. Contended that lost the Parez mayorship three
:12:13. > :12:17.years ago. She is a scientist and has been secretary of state. She
:12:18. > :12:24.would be an interesting coalition Prime Minister. Finally, Marine Le
:12:25. > :12:29.Pen, if she goes down to defeat a night, does she have the stomach and
:12:30. > :12:36.ambition, and the energy, to try it all again in 2022? She has all of
:12:37. > :12:43.that. The question is, would they let her? How badly would she lose?
:12:44. > :12:50.Her niece, now 27, a hard-working and steady person, unlike Marine Le
:12:51. > :12:55.Pen, who flunked her do paid -- debate, her niece may decide that
:12:56. > :13:02.2022 is her turn. Yet another Le Pen! All right, we will see. Just
:13:03. > :13:05.five years to wait, but only a few hours until the results of the
:13:06. > :13:10.election tonight. And we will get the exit polls here
:13:11. > :13:13.on the BBC. Given the exit polls will give as a pretty fair
:13:14. > :13:16.indication of what the result is going to be tonight. That will be on
:13:17. > :13:19.BBC news. That's all for today. The Daily Politics will cover every
:13:20. > :13:22.turn of this election campaign, And we're back here on BBC One
:13:23. > :13:27.at our usual time Next Sunday. Remember - if it's Sunday,
:13:28. > :13:30.it's the Sunday Politics.