:00:08. > :00:13.But first to the latest in a series of interviews with the main Welsh
:00:14. > :00:20.parties ahead of polling day. Last week we heard from my country, today
:00:21. > :00:24.it is Ukip's turn and its leader in the Assembly, Neil Hamilton. Thank
:00:25. > :00:29.you for coming in. You said you could as a permanent feature in the
:00:30. > :00:35.political landscape in Wales now. After those local elections in Kabul
:00:36. > :00:39.of weeks ago, that can't be a claim you can make any longer. Two Plaid
:00:40. > :00:44.Cymru. The big difference between Wales and the rest of the UK is that
:00:45. > :00:47.in the Welsh Assembly elections we have proportional representation
:00:48. > :00:50.system of voting, unlike in the general election that happening now,
:00:51. > :00:56.there is a binary squeeze on the smaller parties, by the Tories and
:00:57. > :01:00.Labour. Squeezing out the smaller parties, but won't happen in the
:01:01. > :01:04.Assembly elections in four years time and this general election has
:01:05. > :01:09.come at a very inopportune time for Ukip, we have a new leader who
:01:10. > :01:13.hasn't had a chance to bed himself in, still got to communicate what
:01:14. > :01:19.Ukip is for post-Brexit and we have the time to do that. It sounds if I
:01:20. > :01:22.may say so you are preparing the ground for either a disappointing
:01:23. > :01:26.set of results on June the 8th. We don't have any MPs at the moment so
:01:27. > :01:29.we have nothing to lose, the selection is a work in progress for
:01:30. > :01:34.us, my message to people who voted Ukip in the past to Mike be tempted
:01:35. > :01:38.to vote for Theresa May is she doesn't need your boards, she will
:01:39. > :01:43.win by a massive majority, we need Ukip to be an insurance policy to
:01:44. > :01:47.get the best possible outcome for Brexit. When Paul Nuttall says it
:01:48. > :01:52.Theresa May gets a good deal for Brexit he'd be happy that UKIP
:01:53. > :01:55.doesn't do well, it's as if you are waving the white flag already. But
:01:56. > :02:00.he doesn't believe she will get a good deal from Brexit, we don't
:02:01. > :02:04.think she can be trusted, she was a remainder, an opportunist, posing as
:02:05. > :02:08.Boadicea and a Brexiteer. She's been Home Secretary and Prime Minister of
:02:09. > :02:13.the last seven years, standing under programme of reducing immigration to
:02:14. > :02:15.tens of thousands, herself adding 2 million people to the British
:02:16. > :02:20.population, she doesn't deliver. We need to be there to keep her on
:02:21. > :02:23.track and keep the pressure on because we would never have had the
:02:24. > :02:28.referendum on the first place but for Ukip and... That your message
:02:29. > :02:32.but it seems the population of voters just aren't listening. The
:02:33. > :02:36.Shane Lowry get for Ukip is that you are a party in search of a purpose
:02:37. > :02:40.and really there is no point to you. That is what the polls tell us,
:02:41. > :02:46.obviously, but things can change in the middle of an election campaign,
:02:47. > :02:50.I remember the election campaign the sneakernet and the Sheffield rally
:02:51. > :02:57.and Labour lost. Things can change. I hope as we move through this
:02:58. > :03:01.campaign Ukip voters from last time we'll see the sense of keeping Ukip
:03:02. > :03:04.in the game to put pressure on Theresa May to deliver the best
:03:05. > :03:10.Brexit for Britain which otherwise she might be tempted to give away.
:03:11. > :03:13.What are you offering, beyond Brexit, what you stand for? We have
:03:14. > :03:17.a full programme for the selection which will be announced, the
:03:18. > :03:21.manifesto launch shortly, several things, let me just mention a
:03:22. > :03:25.handful. Slash the foreign made budget by 8 billion year to put the
:03:26. > :03:29.money into the NHS, scrap green taxes to reduce electricity bills by
:03:30. > :03:34.?300 a year on average, we would take Britain out of the European
:03:35. > :03:38.Convention on Human Rights and restore the sovereignty of British
:03:39. > :03:42.courts... That's Brexit. But it has to be a UK Government to do that.
:03:43. > :03:47.Which green taxes we do is grab? Get rid of the charges on electricity
:03:48. > :03:52.bills which are necessary to pay subsidies for wind farms. Or do you
:03:53. > :03:58.get your figures from? That's the conventional figure for the totality
:03:59. > :04:03.of green taxes. The regulator says ?100 from the average bill, Patrick
:04:04. > :04:09.O'Flynn your economic spokesman says its ?100 of the bill, why are you
:04:10. > :04:13.that's the figure I've used all along. But is it correct? I believe
:04:14. > :04:20.it to be correct. Is your economics spokesman wrong? There are different
:04:21. > :04:25.kinds of taxes, environmental charges which are added to bills.
:04:26. > :04:30.Look at your electricity bill, you will see roughly a fifth of your
:04:31. > :04:35.bill is identified as... But the regulator... I'll tell you. The
:04:36. > :04:39.regulator says a ?1000, your economic spokesman says it's 100...
:04:40. > :04:44.Your average electricity bill is ?1500 a year, in this country, 20%
:04:45. > :04:50.to cover for by green charges, go home and look at your bill. Look at
:04:51. > :04:53.migration, the policy we see from Ukip is one person in, one person
:04:54. > :04:58.out, how does that work? Net immigration down to zero in five
:04:59. > :05:03.years time, is that right? That's the aim. It's the end. We are not
:05:04. > :05:06.going to be the government of the country but we think that's
:05:07. > :05:09.achievable. Mr macro says she wants to bring immigration down to tens of
:05:10. > :05:14.thousands, if she can bring down from a third of a million a year to
:05:15. > :05:17.tens of thousands, it's not a big step to take it down to zero. How
:05:18. > :05:22.would you do that? You can't be counting that as anything will
:05:23. > :05:26.happen between now and 2019. We are still in the EU. We would introduce
:05:27. > :05:31.a points -based system such as they have in Australia, there would
:05:32. > :05:34.obviously be temporary permits for people to come and work here for
:05:35. > :05:38.seasonal reasons, fruit pickers and so what is needed. But ultimately,
:05:39. > :05:42.the British Government would be able to decide for itself what its annual
:05:43. > :05:47.target is, Australia has an annual target for how many migrants... But
:05:48. > :05:52.Australia does not have a one person in, one person a policy, doesn't
:05:53. > :05:56.want zero immigration. If the economy was growing, we would want
:05:57. > :06:00.more people coming in to fill new jobs created? Why are you putting
:06:01. > :06:05.this arbitrary figure of zero net migration down? We are adding a city
:06:06. > :06:08.the size of Cardiff to our population every year. But let's
:06:09. > :06:12.talk about what you want to see it coming down to it. We think there
:06:13. > :06:16.needs to be a moratorium within a reasonable timescale on immigration
:06:17. > :06:21.in order to be and to get the system under control. Yes, it can vary from
:06:22. > :06:24.year to year. And that will be an annual decision for the Home
:06:25. > :06:28.Secretary on -- and the government to take. At the moment we can't take
:06:29. > :06:31.that decision because we can't control EU immigration but we can
:06:32. > :06:35.control immigration from outside the year and the government isn't doing
:06:36. > :06:40.it. If it varies from year to year that zero target is that remain or
:06:41. > :06:44.doesn't vary from year to year? It will be open for review every year,
:06:45. > :06:49.it depends what the needs of the economy are and what other pressures
:06:50. > :06:53.on public services which would be put in issue if the numbers were too
:06:54. > :06:58.great? That's three different what Paul Nuttall has been saying, your
:06:59. > :07:01.party leader, within five years net immigration down to zero. What
:07:02. > :07:04.you're saying now is different. No, it's not different at all, what
:07:05. > :07:11.we're saying is the aim should be stability the numbers, from there
:07:12. > :07:13.on, Edward the annual review which is what happens in all countries
:07:14. > :07:16.which at the immigration control based upon numbers, it's not
:07:17. > :07:21.something that is difficult to do, it takes time to set the system up
:07:22. > :07:24.and so... That target of achieving this in five use, it doesn't sound
:07:25. > :07:30.like it's achievable from what you say? Ukip is not going to be the
:07:31. > :07:34.government of the country so it's a bit like arguing how many angels
:07:35. > :07:37.dance on the head of the pin. White of having a manifesto if you are not
:07:38. > :07:41.going to be the government of the country? Let's be realistic, of
:07:42. > :07:46.course I could sit here and say, we are in the game to win and indeed we
:07:47. > :07:50.are but in reality we are not going to be the government of the country
:07:51. > :07:55.on the 9th of June, we want to get a good fold of the election to take us
:07:56. > :07:59.to the next stage. But how likely is it you can be the man to achieve
:08:00. > :08:03.that, look at the polls he mentioned earlier, the most recent in Wales
:08:04. > :08:10.have your personal rating as the laws that anybody has ever had in
:08:11. > :08:14.any of these polls. It's low, 1.9 out of ten on average for all
:08:15. > :08:22.parties, three out of ten among Ukip voters, ie part of the problem, do
:08:23. > :08:26.you think? I'm only leader of the Ukip in the Assembly, I'm not
:08:27. > :08:29.seeking to be the leader of the party. You are a leading member of
:08:30. > :08:34.the party. I've come into this to do a job, to lead the Ukip group in the
:08:35. > :08:38.Assembly because I've got a great deal of political experience as a
:08:39. > :08:44.member of Parliament, government minister, and I've been around a
:08:45. > :08:49.long time and so I've got certain advantages which I've been able to
:08:50. > :08:53.bring to it, to professionalise Ukip in Wales and get is the kind of
:08:54. > :08:56.media attention which are scum to enable us to go forward. I don't
:08:57. > :09:06.have political ambitions beyond this. Neil Hamilton, thank you for
:09:07. > :09:15.your time. -- which are going to enable us.
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