Mon, 19 Sep 2011

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0:00:01 > 0:00:04Good evening and welcome to Taro Naw.

0:00:04 > 0:00:08# We don't want incineration... #

0:00:08 > 0:00:10Downing Street, a fortnight ago.

0:00:10 > 0:00:13Protesters present a petition opposing plans...

0:00:14 > 0:00:17..to build a waste incinerator near Merthyr Tydfil.

0:00:17 > 0:00:21It's awful to think they want to put the thing in our area.

0:00:21 > 0:00:26The money going into this won't be spent in the town.

0:00:26 > 0:00:29US company Covanta Energy are the developers.

0:00:29 > 0:00:33Tonight, Taro Naw travels to the US...

0:00:33 > 0:00:37..and hears the company has been fined...

0:00:37 > 0:00:39..for breaking environmental rules.

0:00:39 > 0:00:43How can people trust you when you say, "There isn't a problem...

0:00:44 > 0:00:47"..this is clean, this is fine," when you violate rules?

0:00:47 > 0:00:51First of all, failure is not acceptable to us.

0:00:56 > 0:01:00When you put the bins out to be collected...

0:01:00 > 0:01:03..do you ever wonder what happens to the rubbish?

0:01:04 > 0:01:07One way to get rid of it is to incinerate it...

0:01:07 > 0:01:09..but not everyone welcomes that.

0:01:09 > 0:01:13In Merthyr Tydfil right now, there is a battle...

0:01:13 > 0:01:16..to try and stop the building of an incinerator.

0:01:16 > 0:01:20Owain Clarke has travelled to the Valleys and the US to investigate.

0:01:25 > 0:01:31Welcome to Merthyr Tydfil, an area with a rich industrial heritage.

0:01:31 > 0:01:36In the 29th century, this was the world's iron capital.

0:01:36 > 0:01:41And after iron, came coal, as the industry grew and then shrank.

0:01:42 > 0:01:46But while the industrial excitement of the past has long gone...

0:01:46 > 0:01:51..plans to create a new industry here has caused plenty of commotion.

0:01:51 > 0:01:55There's an application for a waste incinerator to be built...

0:01:55 > 0:01:59..which will create electricity at a site four miles from here...

0:01:59 > 0:02:01..in the centre of town.

0:02:01 > 0:02:03If the application is passed...

0:02:03 > 0:02:07..it will be among the biggest in Britain.

0:02:07 > 0:02:12But there's been a prickly response from some locals to the plans.

0:02:12 > 0:02:16The aim is to develop this 30-acre site in Brig y Cwm....

0:02:16 > 0:02:19..halfway between Merthyr and Rhymney.

0:02:19 > 0:02:23Alan Williams is among those fiercely opposed to the scheme.

0:02:23 > 0:02:27The site, the building, is bigger than the Millennium Stadium.

0:02:27 > 0:02:33The chimney is over 100m. It's 130 or 115m high.

0:02:33 > 0:02:39It will be seen virtually across south Wales. It's far too big.

0:02:39 > 0:02:44If they need this, they should put them across Wales...

0:02:44 > 0:02:49..so the rubbish can be dealt with in their area.

0:02:49 > 0:02:55But it's not just the size of the development that bothers him.

0:02:56 > 0:03:02If you look around here, you can't see many houses...

0:03:02 > 0:03:06..but thousands of people live within a mile and a half.

0:03:12 > 0:03:15The question of how to deal with rubbish is timely.

0:03:16 > 0:03:19Traditionally, the contents of the bin went to landfill sites...

0:03:20 > 0:03:24..but they are filling up and councils can be fined...

0:03:24 > 0:03:28..if they send too much waste to landfill.

0:03:28 > 0:03:33But the Welsh Government's waste policy recommends incineration...

0:03:33 > 0:03:36..to create electricity if waste cannot be recycled.

0:03:37 > 0:03:40This is being considered at Brig y Cwm.

0:03:40 > 0:03:46The aim would be to incinerate around 750,000 tonnes every year.

0:03:46 > 0:03:51The waste would otherwise have been buried at landfill sites.

0:03:51 > 0:03:54The incineration would of course produce electricity...

0:03:54 > 0:03:59..enough to supply the needs of Merthyr Tydfil and Caerphilly...

0:03:59 > 0:04:01..according to the company.

0:04:03 > 0:04:07But while the electricity could supply other areas...

0:04:08 > 0:04:13..the opposition spreads further afield, to Blaenau Gwent.

0:04:13 > 0:04:16Meryl Darkins has lived in Tredegar for twenty years.

0:04:16 > 0:04:21She suffers from a lung condition and takes ten tablets each morning.

0:04:21 > 0:04:26She's worried about what could be emitted by the chimneys.

0:04:26 > 0:04:30Traditionally and historically, the area has been industrial.

0:04:31 > 0:04:36Now we've got unemployment, but at least we have clean air to breathe.

0:04:36 > 0:04:38But once this happens...

0:04:39 > 0:04:43..there will be more pollution in the air every day.

0:04:44 > 0:04:49The levels at energy waste sites are monitored carefully.

0:04:49 > 0:04:53Dioxins are one of the chemical groups that are emitted.

0:04:54 > 0:04:59If the levels are high enough, they can cause diseases such as cancer.

0:04:59 > 0:05:02But low levels are emitted from incinerators...

0:05:02 > 0:05:05..like the one being considered for the valley.

0:05:05 > 0:05:08According to the Health Protection Agency...

0:05:08 > 0:05:12..modern incinerators don't have a measurable impact on health.

0:05:12 > 0:05:15But that doesn't calm the fears of Meryl Darkins.

0:05:16 > 0:05:21Every time I have a cold, I take ages to recover.

0:05:21 > 0:05:23I never recover fully.

0:05:23 > 0:05:28Whenever there are dioxins or something like that...

0:05:28 > 0:05:31..they have the same effect on my lungs.

0:05:31 > 0:05:34I will be more ill than I was before.

0:05:34 > 0:05:39If you want to see what is being proposed...

0:05:39 > 0:05:41..you have to travel some way.

0:05:41 > 0:05:47More than 3,000 miles to be exact, to New Jersey in the USA.

0:05:47 > 0:05:51Covanta is based in the industrial cauldron of this state.

0:05:52 > 0:05:57The company wants to build the incinerator on the open cast site.

0:05:57 > 0:06:01Across America, Covanta operates more than 40 incinerators.

0:06:01 > 0:06:04That includes this one in Rahway.

0:06:09 > 0:06:13Inside the building, they deal with tons of rubbish.

0:06:13 > 0:06:18In this large hall, Paul Gilman explains the preparation process.

0:06:18 > 0:06:23He says they do their best to separate what can be recycled.

0:06:28 > 0:06:30Next, the incineration process.

0:06:30 > 0:06:36Covanta says the temperature and air is carefully regulated.

0:06:36 > 0:06:40First of all you check the air and create enough turbulence...

0:06:40 > 0:06:44..that it's a good burn, a thorough burn.

0:06:44 > 0:06:48A minimum amount of smoke and that sort of thing.

0:06:48 > 0:06:51Then you have your air pollution control equipment...

0:06:51 > 0:06:54..to take care of what does come out.

0:06:56 > 0:06:57This is the control room.

0:06:58 > 0:07:01This is where they regulate the electricity being produced...

0:07:01 > 0:07:03..and the chemicals being released.

0:07:03 > 0:07:06The company says the technology is one of the cleanest ways...

0:07:07 > 0:07:11..of producing electricity, cleaner than coal and oil production.

0:07:12 > 0:07:16The company insists there is no longer any cause for concern...

0:07:16 > 0:07:18..over dioxin emissions.

0:07:20 > 0:07:26The amounts going out are much less than they have been in the past.

0:07:26 > 0:07:31Dioxin emissions would be about what ten families might create...

0:07:31 > 0:07:34..if they burned their trash in the backyard.

0:07:34 > 0:07:38What about those who are familiar with the incinerators?

0:07:38 > 0:07:43Phillip Davies worked up the road of this incinerator for decades.

0:07:43 > 0:07:46He believes the people of New Jersey generally welcome them...

0:07:46 > 0:07:48..because of waste problems.

0:07:48 > 0:07:54These large tips looked like the coal tips we had in South Wales.

0:07:54 > 0:08:00This is a way of getting rid of waste by incinerating it.

0:08:00 > 0:08:07As a scientist, Phillip doesn't worry much about what is released.

0:08:07 > 0:08:13If I had to live close to the incinerator...

0:08:13 > 0:08:18..of course I would think twice about the place.

0:08:18 > 0:08:24But generally, as far as the toxic residues are concerned...

0:08:24 > 0:08:26..it wouldn't be a problem for me.

0:08:27 > 0:08:29But they are a problem for others.

0:08:29 > 0:08:33Professor Paul Connett is a worldwide expert on waste.

0:08:33 > 0:08:37He campaigns against incineration sites which create energy.

0:08:37 > 0:08:40He says the USA are a step ahead of Britain.

0:08:40 > 0:08:44No new development has been passed here for almost 15 years.

0:08:45 > 0:08:48He says this is a good thing considering the dangers...

0:08:48 > 0:08:52..he argues are connected to the microscopic nano-particles...

0:08:52 > 0:08:54..which are released without restrictions.

0:08:54 > 0:08:56Give me a break!

0:08:56 > 0:09:00Where's the science here? Where's the responsibility here?

0:09:00 > 0:09:03Where's the solution to nano-particles?

0:09:03 > 0:09:07It's almost as if, if you don't look, you don't find...

0:09:07 > 0:09:10..and without regulation, nothing could be happening.

0:09:10 > 0:09:14But what we know, and I'm sure it's true in Merthyr...

0:09:14 > 0:09:18..the more solid particles that you have in the air...

0:09:18 > 0:09:22..the higher the respiratory problems, the death rate...

0:09:22 > 0:09:24..the higher the sickness rate.

0:09:24 > 0:09:28That's with particles which are much larger than nano-particles.

0:09:28 > 0:09:34If that's the existing situation, introducing nano-particles...

0:09:34 > 0:09:37..is going to make the health situation worse.

0:09:37 > 0:09:40Professor Connett also argues...

0:09:40 > 0:09:45..that the economic argument for incinerators is over-exaggerated.

0:09:45 > 0:09:49You'll find that this town of Merthyr Tydfil...

0:09:49 > 0:09:52..will be importing waste from miles around.

0:09:52 > 0:09:55You'll be perceived as the dump city in Wales.

0:09:56 > 0:09:58That's the last thing you want.

0:09:58 > 0:10:01In the face of the recession...

0:10:01 > 0:10:04..many in Merthyr are thinking of the economy.

0:10:05 > 0:10:10Geraint Meaker runs a building business with is father.

0:10:11 > 0:10:15The politicians don't care what happens in Merthyr.

0:10:15 > 0:10:20They should come up to see the current state of the town.

0:10:21 > 0:10:24There's no money here, being spent in the town.

0:10:24 > 0:10:27Why should they make it even worse?

0:10:28 > 0:10:32Unemployment in Merthyr is among the highest in Wales.

0:10:32 > 0:10:36Covanta claim the incinerator could be a valuable investment.

0:10:36 > 0:10:40They've estimated that building work would create around 600 jobs...

0:10:40 > 0:10:44..and around 80 people would work at the incinerator.

0:10:45 > 0:10:47Some have their doubts.

0:10:47 > 0:10:51The people who'll receive the money won't live here.

0:10:51 > 0:10:54The people who'll work there will come from England.

0:10:55 > 0:10:59They say that jobs will be created, but who'll get them?

0:11:00 > 0:11:02According to Geraint's father, Phil Meaker...

0:11:03 > 0:11:06..the standard of work is also important.

0:11:06 > 0:11:09The people of Merthyr deserve something better.

0:11:09 > 0:11:13We've lost jobs in the coal mines.

0:11:13 > 0:11:17Factories such as Hoover have closed down. There's nothing now.

0:11:17 > 0:11:22They need to attract money into the town, so young people can get jobs.

0:11:23 > 0:11:27Taro 9's investigation will continue after the break.

0:11:27 > 0:11:29We'll visit a town...

0:11:29 > 0:11:33..where a part of Covanta's site was temporarily closed...

0:11:33 > 0:11:38..following the release of double the amount of permitted dioxins.

0:11:57 > 0:12:00The city of Newark in New Jersey.

0:12:00 > 0:12:03Covanta Energy's headquarters is in this state.

0:12:03 > 0:12:05The company wants to develop...

0:12:05 > 0:12:09..one of Britain's biggest waste disposal plants near Merthyr Tydfil.

0:12:11 > 0:12:15Here, you get a good view of the incinerator.

0:12:15 > 0:12:20That's the New Jersey Turnpike going behind it.

0:12:20 > 0:12:21If you ever drive...

0:12:22 > 0:12:24Ana Baptista was raised locally in Ironbound.

0:12:25 > 0:12:29This is the location of Covanta's biggest incinerator in the state.

0:12:29 > 0:12:33As part of her work for the Ironbound Community Corporation...

0:12:33 > 0:12:36..she campaigns against the site.

0:12:36 > 0:12:40She holds weekly tours around the local industrial areas.

0:12:40 > 0:12:44She says the area is an easy target for dirty developments.

0:12:45 > 0:12:49Because our community doesn't have the same wealth and resources...

0:12:49 > 0:12:51..as many other communities...

0:12:51 > 0:12:56..we are less able to fight off the undesirable uses...

0:12:56 > 0:13:01..and attract the kinds of development we'd like to see.

0:13:01 > 0:13:05We're vulnerable, in political and economic terms...

0:13:05 > 0:13:06..to undesirable uses...

0:13:07 > 0:13:10..that other communities can protect themselves against.

0:13:10 > 0:13:12The group was so concerned...

0:13:12 > 0:13:15..about the substances being released from the incinerator...

0:13:16 > 0:13:18..they prosecuted Covanta in 2007.

0:13:18 > 0:13:23After two years of failed discussions, the case went to court.

0:13:23 > 0:13:26The group claimed Covanta broke environmental regulations...

0:13:27 > 0:13:31..between 2002 and 2008, under the Clean Air Act.

0:13:31 > 0:13:34William Schulte was their legal representative.

0:13:34 > 0:13:37There would be at least a few hundred...

0:13:37 > 0:13:40..of the six-minute intervals...

0:13:40 > 0:13:43..where they would be emitting a substance...

0:13:43 > 0:13:46..in excess of what they're allowed to emit.

0:13:46 > 0:13:50How serious they were, it sorts of runs the gamut.

0:13:50 > 0:13:56Some exceed by only 2% or 3%, others you're running up to 15%.

0:13:56 > 0:13:58Those are the more serious violations.

0:13:58 > 0:14:01The two sides came to agreement last year...

0:14:02 > 0:14:04..without Covanta accepting any responsibility.

0:14:04 > 0:14:09They did agree to install new equipment to control gas...

0:14:09 > 0:14:15..and to pay over 800,000 for a new park in Ironbound.

0:14:15 > 0:14:20Covanta claims the rules were broken when anther company ran the site...

0:14:20 > 0:14:24..and things have changed since they took over in 2005.

0:14:25 > 0:14:29We'd already set about improving the performance of that facility...

0:14:29 > 0:14:33..and happily, the performance has been improving over time.

0:14:33 > 0:14:37I think even the Ironbound Corporation would say...

0:14:37 > 0:14:41..it's a different operation today compared to five or six years ago.

0:14:44 > 0:14:48If the people of Newark feel they're being targeted by dirty industries...

0:14:49 > 0:14:52..and that sentiment is echoed in Merthyr.

0:14:52 > 0:14:55One of Europe's largest opencast coal mines...

0:14:56 > 0:15:00..and landfill site, Trecatti, are a stone's throw away from the town.

0:15:01 > 0:15:04Builder Phil Meaker and his son, Geraint...

0:15:04 > 0:15:08..believe the town is an easy target for Covanta.

0:15:08 > 0:15:13This doesn't happen in areas such as Oxford or Hampstead Heath.

0:15:13 > 0:15:16They think they can do this...

0:15:16 > 0:15:20..due to the high unemployment figures in the Valleys.

0:15:20 > 0:15:23It's like a carrot on a stick.

0:15:23 > 0:15:27They think we'll accept anything, if there are a few jobs.

0:15:27 > 0:15:31Covanta Energy's UK Managing Director disagrees.

0:15:31 > 0:15:36He argues the Merthyr site was chosen above tens of other sites...

0:15:36 > 0:15:40..as it has a railway nearby, amongst other reasons.

0:15:40 > 0:15:45We have to have ready access to power export.

0:15:45 > 0:15:49We don't like to be immediately adjacent to houses.

0:15:49 > 0:15:53We're about 1.5 kilometres away from the nearest dwelling...

0:15:53 > 0:15:56..and, principally, the rail links.

0:16:03 > 0:16:07Back in the US, Covanta's problems stretch beyond New Jersey.

0:16:07 > 0:16:12I'm heading to Connecticut and after a two-hour journey along the coast...

0:16:12 > 0:16:14..I arrive at Wallingford.

0:16:15 > 0:16:18In July 2010, an emissions test showed...

0:16:18 > 0:16:24..that the level of dioxins released from a nearby incinerator...

0:16:24 > 0:16:28..was over 250% higher than the permitted level.

0:16:28 > 0:16:33Covanta decided to close part of the site for a year to investigate.

0:16:34 > 0:16:38I met one concerned local resident.

0:16:40 > 0:16:43If there was no harm being posed to the general population...

0:16:43 > 0:16:48..why was one third of the plant shut for a year?

0:16:48 > 0:16:52If it wasn't harmful, why didn't the plant just continue running?

0:16:52 > 0:16:57One of Bob Gross's weekly duties is maintain the Jewish cemetery...

0:16:57 > 0:17:01..a stone's throw from the site.

0:17:01 > 0:17:06He's concerned about the effect on people's health.

0:17:06 > 0:17:11If you're emitting chemicals such as dioxins, cadmium, lead, mercury...

0:17:11 > 0:17:13..into the atmosphere...

0:17:13 > 0:17:17..and people are ingesting these chemicals in small amounts...

0:17:17 > 0:17:23..you have to assume that somebody is getting ill from this.

0:17:23 > 0:17:27Last year's incident is no exception.

0:17:27 > 0:17:30Three years earlier in 2007...

0:17:30 > 0:17:35..there was another case related to chemicals released into the air...

0:17:35 > 0:17:37..above this town.

0:17:37 > 0:17:42The dioxin levels were too high in that case too.

0:17:43 > 0:17:46As a result, the Office of the Attorney General...

0:17:46 > 0:17:50..and the Connecticut Department of Environmental Protection...

0:17:50 > 0:17:53..brought a court order against the site.

0:17:53 > 0:17:57The magnitude of the violation, the dioxins that were emitted...

0:17:57 > 0:18:01..were two and a half times that of the 2007 incident.

0:18:02 > 0:18:04Also the frequency came into play.

0:18:04 > 0:18:07Two violations within three years caused us more concern.

0:18:09 > 0:18:12Connecticut's Department of Environmental Protection says...

0:18:12 > 0:18:16..that even though public health wasn't threatened...

0:18:16 > 0:18:19..the case was considered serious.

0:18:19 > 0:18:23The two sides reached agreement in July...

0:18:23 > 0:18:27..and the company had to pay a 400,000 fine...

0:18:28 > 0:18:31..and increase the frequency of emission testing on the site.

0:18:31 > 0:18:34Covanta blamed old technology.

0:18:35 > 0:18:41How can people trust what you say when you violate rules?

0:18:41 > 0:18:46First of all, failure is not acceptable to us.

0:18:46 > 0:18:51We are our own biggest critics, as far as we're concerned.

0:18:51 > 0:18:56We set about making sure that we corrected the problem.

0:18:56 > 0:19:00We in fact were the ones in both cases...

0:19:00 > 0:19:03..that discovered the problem, reported the problem...

0:19:03 > 0:19:06..and set about fixing the problem.

0:19:06 > 0:19:10The first people we called after we called the regulatory agency...

0:19:10 > 0:19:14..was the local town officials and the newspapers...

0:19:14 > 0:19:17..to let them know what had happened.

0:19:17 > 0:19:20Many things became apparent as I travelled America.

0:19:21 > 0:19:25According to official records, Covanta's paid thousands in fines.

0:19:25 > 0:19:29The company insists the majority of problems have been inherited...

0:19:29 > 0:19:33..and don't derive from the incinerators they've built.

0:19:34 > 0:19:39According to the company, they abide by the rules 99.9% of the time.

0:19:40 > 0:19:43Whilst referring to Covanta's site in Rahway...

0:19:43 > 0:19:45..where rules have also been broken...

0:19:46 > 0:19:49..Paul Gilman raises questions about the US system...

0:19:49 > 0:19:54..of monitoring emissions over very short periods of time.

0:19:54 > 0:19:58If this facility had been located in the EU...

0:19:58 > 0:20:01..those violations would not have even constituted violations.

0:20:01 > 0:20:06So the way plants are regulated in the EU is different.

0:20:07 > 0:20:09I'm not saying it's worse.

0:20:09 > 0:20:13I'd argue it's very scientifically sound, but it is different.

0:20:13 > 0:20:18Are you blaming the regulatory regime in the US for being too picky?

0:20:18 > 0:20:21I wouldn't say it's more strict, it's different.

0:20:21 > 0:20:24They're more focused on very short-term violations...

0:20:24 > 0:20:26..whereas the EU is interested...

0:20:27 > 0:20:30..in the longer-term health of the facility.

0:20:30 > 0:20:36Covanta agreed to provide details and plans of the site on their website.

0:20:36 > 0:20:40The Environment Agency will also keep a close eye.

0:20:40 > 0:20:45We would really expect to be within our compliance limits...

0:20:45 > 0:20:47..100% of the time.

0:20:47 > 0:20:52It's always possible over the life of a facility...

0:20:52 > 0:20:56..that you could exceed for 30 minutes at some point.

0:20:56 > 0:21:01Over a year, when we look at our emission over a year...

0:21:01 > 0:21:05..we operate well below the levels of exeedance we're allowed.

0:21:06 > 0:21:08According to Professor Paul Connett...

0:21:08 > 0:21:13..a change in mindset is needed when it comes to treating waste.

0:21:14 > 0:21:19We should not be spending a fortune destroying finite materials.

0:21:19 > 0:21:21We should stop making materials...

0:21:22 > 0:21:25..packaging and products, that have to be destroyed.

0:21:25 > 0:21:30A fortnight ago, a petition signed by 13,000 people...

0:21:30 > 0:21:35..was presented in Downing Street by those who oppose Brig y Cwm.

0:21:36 > 0:21:39The decision of whether or not to approve the site...

0:21:40 > 0:21:44..is currently in the hands of the Infrastructure Planning Commission.

0:21:44 > 0:21:50Westminster MPs, however, could make the final decision.

0:21:50 > 0:21:53The people of Merthyr and surrounding areas...

0:21:53 > 0:21:57..are determined that it doesn't come.

0:21:57 > 0:22:01We hope that the Prime Minister and Chris Huhne...

0:22:01 > 0:22:06..listen to the people of Merthyr and Rhymney.

0:22:06 > 0:22:11A final decision on Brig y Cwm is expected next year.

0:22:11 > 0:22:14It's a £400 million investment in Merthyr...

0:22:14 > 0:22:19..which will be one of the largest inward investments in Wales...

0:22:19 > 0:22:22..for several years and it'll create jobs.

0:22:22 > 0:22:25It's environmentally beneficial, as far as we're concerned.

0:22:25 > 0:22:29It's the best way of dealing with our residual waste.

0:22:29 > 0:22:32It's a great plus for Merthyr.

0:22:32 > 0:22:36We're trying to help Merthyr reinvest in its future.

0:22:37 > 0:22:39What's that? Moo.

0:22:39 > 0:22:41Moo.

0:22:42 > 0:22:46Others aren't as hopeful about the area's future.

0:22:47 > 0:22:48Geraint Meaker is concerned...

0:22:48 > 0:22:52..about how the emissions will affect his children.

0:22:52 > 0:22:54It makes me question...

0:22:54 > 0:22:59..whether I want to stay in Merthyr for the rest of my life.

0:23:00 > 0:23:06My business is here, but do I want my children to be raised here?

0:23:11 > 0:23:14Many youngsters are already leaving the area.

0:23:14 > 0:23:19It'll be like a ghost town because no-one will be living here.

0:23:27 > 0:23:29That's it for tonight.

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