0:00:02 > 0:00:07Plans to build more of these are causing disagreement...
0:00:07 > 0:00:10..in the Montgomeryshire area.
0:00:10 > 0:00:16Those who protest against wind energy are threatening those in favour...
0:00:16 > 0:00:17..thereby dividing the community.
0:00:18 > 0:00:21Put simply, I feel intimidated.
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0:00:49 > 0:00:52A familiar scene in mid Wales.
0:00:52 > 0:00:54There are several wind farms here already.
0:00:54 > 0:00:56In the past five years...
0:00:56 > 0:01:00..there's been a rise applications for planning permission for more.
0:01:00 > 0:01:03Developers are following the lead of the Welsh Government...
0:01:03 > 0:01:06..that Powys is a suitable location for them.
0:01:06 > 0:01:07Above Llanfair Caereinion...
0:01:07 > 0:01:12..a turbine is awaiting connection to the National Grid.
0:01:13 > 0:01:16Aled Morris is the owner and he and his brother, Gwyn...
0:01:17 > 0:01:19..like many other farmers in Montgomeryshire...
0:01:19 > 0:01:22..see payment from wind energy as a business venture.
0:01:22 > 0:01:25There aren't many options around here.
0:01:25 > 0:01:29There won't be any golf courses or anything up here.
0:01:29 > 0:01:32There's plenty of wind up here...
0:01:32 > 0:01:36..and one turbine on the farm will be a big help...
0:01:37 > 0:01:40..to keep things going over the coming years.
0:01:40 > 0:01:44But he's aware that some are opposed to having turbines on the land...
0:01:44 > 0:01:48..and want to persuade farmers not to be tempted.
0:01:48 > 0:01:54They put my brother's mobile phone number on Facebook...
0:01:54 > 0:02:01..and told people to contact him to tell him how evil he is.
0:02:02 > 0:02:03There's one turbine on the farm.
0:02:04 > 0:02:06Commercial companies are behind the biggest schemes...
0:02:07 > 0:02:10..but there are several smaller developments by local farmers.
0:02:10 > 0:02:13They feel that money is what angers many.
0:02:13 > 0:02:18Some of it is down to jealousy. There is some of that sometimes.
0:02:18 > 0:02:20In what way?
0:02:20 > 0:02:24If I can't have it, why should someone else?
0:02:25 > 0:02:30Some say Powys is familiar with turbines like these.
0:02:30 > 0:02:34The Carno Wind Farm was built in 1996.
0:02:34 > 0:02:38Since then, their technology and size have changed a lot.
0:02:40 > 0:02:43In the fog and rain on this common ground...
0:02:43 > 0:02:46..one of Wales's latest wind farms is being built...
0:02:46 > 0:02:51..on Mynydd y Betws between the Amman Valley and Cwmtawe.
0:02:51 > 0:02:53After completion...
0:02:53 > 0:02:59..these turbines will be more like those planned for mid Wales.
0:02:59 > 0:03:04They will be 110 metres tall at the highest point.
0:03:04 > 0:03:08That's taller than some of Wales's tallest buildings...
0:03:09 > 0:03:13..like Meridien Quay in Swansea and the Millennium Stadium in Cardiff.
0:03:14 > 0:03:17There are currently seven wind farms in mid Wales...
0:03:17 > 0:03:19..with 267 turbines on them.
0:03:20 > 0:03:25Powys Council officials say there are plans for 23 more sites...
0:03:26 > 0:03:29..with some having already obtained planning permission...
0:03:29 > 0:03:32..and the rest are in the planning process.
0:03:32 > 0:03:38If they all go ahead, there could be more than 800 new turbines in Powys.
0:03:38 > 0:03:42That's as well as 73 individual turbines on farms...
0:03:42 > 0:03:44..which have already been approved.
0:03:45 > 0:03:50'No wind farms. No wind farms.'
0:03:51 > 0:03:55Llandrindod and police monitor a protest...
0:03:54 > 0:03:57..outside a Powys Council meeting...
0:03:57 > 0:04:01..to discuss three applications for large wind farms.
0:04:01 > 0:04:04The plans have angered many and they're showing it.
0:04:09 > 0:04:12Near Llanfair Caereinion, Buddug Bates and her husband...
0:04:12 > 0:04:16..former AM Mick Bates, are in favour of wind power.
0:04:16 > 0:04:19She's concerned that the intensity of feeling is dividing the community.
0:04:20 > 0:04:25If you are not completely opposed to wind power and turbines...
0:04:25 > 0:04:29..there's almost something wrong with you.
0:04:29 > 0:04:32It's like you're ignorant or insane.
0:04:33 > 0:04:37We're scared to say anything in favour or renewable energy.
0:04:38 > 0:04:42I had a horrible experience in Meifod at an exhibition.
0:04:43 > 0:04:47I was almost attacked, only my daughter was with me.
0:04:47 > 0:04:50The last time I went to Llanfair Caereinion...
0:04:50 > 0:04:52..the National Assembly knew about this...
0:04:52 > 0:04:58..they asked me if I was happy to go out to the car on my own...
0:04:58 > 0:05:01..or did I want someone to escort me.
0:05:01 > 0:05:04She thinks the bad feeling...
0:05:03 > 0:05:07..and people's behaviour towards each other will affect communities.
0:05:08 > 0:05:10It certainly has an effect.
0:05:10 > 0:05:15You're almost thinking who you should avoid in certain areas.
0:05:15 > 0:05:17It's that kind of thing.
0:05:18 > 0:05:21Although he says he won't benefit financially...
0:05:21 > 0:05:24..this man welcomes the energy plans.
0:05:24 > 0:05:29He doesn't want to say that publicly as the opposers are so vociferous.
0:05:30 > 0:05:34The anti-pylon group are very strong in these meetings...
0:05:34 > 0:05:38..to the extent that they can completely disrupt them.
0:05:38 > 0:05:41They're in front of you, arguing with you.
0:05:41 > 0:05:44I know of someone who was confronted.
0:05:44 > 0:05:49Someone came up to them and said they'd heard...
0:05:48 > 0:05:52..they were going to have a turbine on their farm...
0:05:52 > 0:05:55..and that they were clearly acceptingmoney for it.
0:05:55 > 0:05:58As if there was something wrong in doing that.
0:05:59 > 0:06:03Taro Naw has spoken to many wind farm supporters...
0:06:03 > 0:06:07..who fear saying so in public meetings...
0:06:07 > 0:06:10..because of the behaviour of some protestors.
0:06:10 > 0:06:13I think those against are in the minority.
0:06:13 > 0:06:18only when you oppose something do you tend to rant and rave.
0:06:18 > 0:06:22But on the whole, I'd say opinion is either in favour...
0:06:22 > 0:06:26..or indifferent either way.
0:06:26 > 0:06:33And yet people refuse to speak openly and are frightened of the minority.
0:06:34 > 0:06:37Yes, that's right. We are frightened.
0:06:37 > 0:06:42You don't want to turn up to be frightened and intimidated.
0:06:42 > 0:06:44Life is too short for that.
0:06:45 > 0:06:50But with so many anti wind farm campaign groups having been set up...
0:06:50 > 0:06:54..there are clearly councillors who do represent those opinions.
0:06:54 > 0:06:57'Out of date. Out of date.'
0:06:57 > 0:07:001,500 people travelled from mid Wales to Cardiff...
0:07:00 > 0:07:02..to protest last year.
0:07:02 > 0:07:05There are now protests outside almost all meetings...
0:07:05 > 0:07:09..related to energy and the National Grid.
0:07:09 > 0:07:14One of the most familiar groups is MAP - Montgomeryshire Against Pylons.
0:07:14 > 0:07:16They argue more pylons won't be needed...
0:07:16 > 0:07:19..if wind farm development is halted.
0:07:19 > 0:07:22I'm sorry if there's a feeling of abuse...
0:07:22 > 0:07:26.. but that abuse is felt on both sides.
0:07:26 > 0:07:31We are, certainly here, in the Efyrnwy Valley, in a situation...
0:07:31 > 0:07:38..that we've had something foisted on us unexpectedly...
0:07:38 > 0:07:41..over which we have very, very little control.
0:07:42 > 0:07:46What we'd like to have is a reasoned dialogue...
0:07:46 > 0:07:50..with farmers, landowners who are looking to develop.
0:07:50 > 0:07:52Do you think it's reasonable...
0:07:52 > 0:07:56..to put telephone numbers and names on the internet, on Facebook?
0:07:56 > 0:08:00I think that the people who are looking to develop...
0:08:00 > 0:08:08..do so for their own reasons and I think it is reasonable to allow...
0:08:08 > 0:08:10..people to engage in a dialogue...
0:08:10 > 0:08:12..with people who are seeking to develop...
0:08:13 > 0:08:18..and they shouldn't feel difficult about having that dialogue.
0:08:20 > 0:08:23MAP does include individuals with many differing opinions...
0:08:23 > 0:08:25..some more extreme than others.
0:08:27 > 0:08:33Some people feel that a more robust response is appropriate. I don't.
0:08:33 > 0:08:35Taking direct action?
0:08:35 > 0:08:40I don't know, I haven't had that said to me...
0:08:40 > 0:08:42..but the feeling is there, I think.
0:08:42 > 0:08:49If this campaign... How can I put this?
0:08:49 > 0:08:52If we fail in our ability to stop National Grid...
0:08:52 > 0:08:57..and stop this development, I'm pretty sure that public feeling...
0:08:57 > 0:09:00..is so strong, people will feel so desperate...
0:09:00 > 0:09:02..that they'll feel they have no other option.
0:09:03 > 0:09:05If a number of wind farms are approved...
0:09:05 > 0:09:08..the National Grid is obliged to ensure...
0:09:08 > 0:09:12..a sufficient electricity supply is extended to mid Wales.
0:09:12 > 0:09:15In June, the Grid announced that an electricity sub-station...
0:09:15 > 0:09:20..would be built outside in a village outside Montgomeryshire.
0:09:20 > 0:09:24The scheme includes the building of 30 miles of pylons...
0:09:24 > 0:09:28..or underground wiring to connect Cefn Coch and Oswestry.
0:09:28 > 0:09:32It's part of a £200 billion investment needed in Britain...
0:09:32 > 0:09:35..to expand the energy network by 2020.
0:09:36 > 0:09:41People don't like buying houses, especially historic ones...
0:09:41 > 0:09:49..with something like pylons going around or over or in front.
0:09:51 > 0:09:54In the Vyrnwy Valley, near Llansantffriad-Ym-Mechain...
0:09:54 > 0:09:58..this house is 400 years old and is registered with Cadw.
0:09:58 > 0:10:03It's also in the planned path of National Grid's new pylons.
0:10:03 > 0:10:10We don't want to fight for our cause in our own back yard...
0:10:10 > 0:10:13..and say it has to go down the Severn Valley.
0:10:13 > 0:10:16That's not the response of the people of Montgomeryshire.
0:10:16 > 0:10:20I think the people of Montgomeryshire have looked at it...
0:10:20 > 0:10:26..and said if this was sensible, if it would genuinely save the world...
0:10:26 > 0:10:29..and it was effective, we would accept it.
0:10:30 > 0:10:32But it isn't effective.
0:10:32 > 0:10:38The accusation has been made repeatedly that you don't want...
0:10:38 > 0:10:41Yes, NIMBY.
0:10:40 > 0:10:41..in your area.
0:10:41 > 0:10:46But I don't want to prostitute this area...
0:10:46 > 0:10:53..allow foreign landowners, firms and politicians to do that.
0:10:54 > 0:10:56As well as support from the Government...
0:10:56 > 0:10:59..to encourage the development of wind energy...
0:11:00 > 0:11:04..the campaigners are concerned about the height of the turbines.
0:11:04 > 0:11:08Llandinam wind farm is one of the oldest in Britain.
0:11:08 > 0:11:14It was opened in 1992 and at one time there were more turbines...
0:11:14 > 0:11:18..on this site, 103, than any other site in Britain.
0:11:18 > 0:11:21These are around 45 metres high...
0:11:21 > 0:11:25..and they produce around 31 megawatt of energy.
0:11:26 > 0:11:30The aim is to treble the amount of energy that's produced here...
0:11:30 > 0:11:33..by demolishing the 103 and replacing them with 39.
0:11:33 > 0:11:38The new turbines would be taller, but not as tall as the ones...
0:11:38 > 0:11:42..that have been recommended in another part of Powys.
0:11:57 > 0:12:01There are seven wind farms in Mid Wales at the moment...
0:12:01 > 0:12:05..and 23 new ones are in the planning system.
0:12:05 > 0:12:10That, as well as the network of pylons to carry electric wire...
0:12:10 > 0:12:13..that would be needed, has caused discontent.
0:12:14 > 0:12:18There's a wonderful view in the hills near Llanfair Caereinion...
0:12:18 > 0:12:21..towards Llanerfyl and Dyfnant Forest.
0:12:21 > 0:12:24The National Grid is intending to place turbines...
0:12:24 > 0:12:26..across this landscape.
0:12:26 > 0:12:30Through the Efyrnwy Valley and in the direction of England.
0:12:30 > 0:12:34This tourism business, which includes an old farm house...
0:12:34 > 0:12:38..and 12 holiday cottages benefits from the area's beauty.
0:12:38 > 0:12:41At the end of a wet September...
0:12:41 > 0:12:45..these two from Devon have come here on holiday.
0:12:46 > 0:12:51Every year, the area attracts thousands of similar visitors.
0:12:52 > 0:12:54If you go on our website...
0:12:54 > 0:12:57..we market Graig Farm as "peace and quiet".
0:12:57 > 0:13:00A chill-out zone.
0:13:00 > 0:13:04There is very beautiful scenery in the area.
0:13:04 > 0:13:07I want to try and keep that.
0:13:07 > 0:13:11We're not sure how much of an affect it will have.
0:13:12 > 0:13:14I don't think it's ever been assessed.
0:13:15 > 0:13:19I'm willing to stand here and say it won't affect our business.
0:13:19 > 0:13:24But it'll be too late then to put things in place...
0:13:24 > 0:13:29..to help businesses that could be closed in 10 years.
0:13:30 > 0:13:33People who live near the new line of pylons...
0:13:34 > 0:13:37..are worried the plans will reduce house prices.
0:13:37 > 0:13:41According to the estate agents we've talked to...
0:13:41 > 0:13:43..it seems that's already happening.
0:13:43 > 0:13:47It can have an affect of anything from no affect...
0:13:47 > 0:13:51..up to as much as 40% of the market value...
0:13:51 > 0:13:54..especially if they're close to the pylon route.
0:13:54 > 0:13:57People buy property in our area...
0:13:57 > 0:14:01..because they want green fields, forests and trees.
0:14:01 > 0:14:05They don't want to be looking at metal pylons.
0:14:05 > 0:14:07Several purchasers have pulled out of properties...
0:14:08 > 0:14:12..because of the uncertainty over where the pylon route would go.
0:14:12 > 0:14:16They're not willing to take the risk.
0:14:20 > 0:14:22But some beautiful areas of Wales...
0:14:23 > 0:14:25..have had electric pylons for decades.
0:14:25 > 0:14:29In Snowdonia, there are several popular attractions...
0:14:29 > 0:14:32..that can't avoid the shadow of the metal towers...
0:14:33 > 0:14:35..including the village of Portmeirion.
0:14:35 > 0:14:39The Brynteg Holiday Park is in Llanrug near Caernarfon.
0:14:39 > 0:14:42It's a stone's throw away from several pylons...
0:14:42 > 0:14:48..but the managers say there have been no complaints.
0:14:48 > 0:14:50They haven't affected this park.
0:14:50 > 0:14:52They were here before the park...
0:14:52 > 0:14:55..and nobody has said anything about them.
0:14:55 > 0:14:59They seem natural to us because they've always been there.
0:14:59 > 0:15:03It would be better for everyone if they were underground...
0:15:03 > 0:15:08..but they're here and if they work, why not leave them?
0:15:08 > 0:15:10Further along this pylon path...
0:15:10 > 0:15:14..are some of the area's most striking views in Ceinant...
0:15:14 > 0:15:19..looking down at the Menai and the town of Caernarfon.
0:15:19 > 0:15:23This woman has been enjoying the view for almost 50 years...
0:15:23 > 0:15:29..and has lived in this house since before the pylons were built.
0:15:29 > 0:15:34The first thing I see in the morning are the boats in Holyhead.
0:15:35 > 0:15:38I've sold it two or three times...
0:15:38 > 0:15:42..but I've changed my mind because I don't want to leave.
0:15:42 > 0:15:45Nobody said anything about these.
0:15:45 > 0:15:49Near Llanberis, a part of the village is overshadowed by pylons.
0:15:50 > 0:15:53This house is close to two of them.
0:15:53 > 0:15:57When it was built in the '80s, the pylons were already there.
0:15:57 > 0:16:02Rhian Thomas was brought up here and remembers moving to the house.
0:16:02 > 0:16:06I was 15 and I thought it was big.
0:16:06 > 0:16:11But as soon as the house was built and we were in...
0:16:11 > 0:16:13..you didn't hear any noise.
0:16:13 > 0:16:17When it rains or it's damp, you hear crackling.
0:16:17 > 0:16:20But apart from that, you wouldn't know it's there.
0:16:20 > 0:16:24Her parents have no intention to move...
0:16:24 > 0:16:28..and Rhian's not worried about her children spending time...
0:16:28 > 0:16:30..so close to electricity wires.
0:16:30 > 0:16:34But her friends reacted differently when they saw the place.
0:16:34 > 0:16:36They said it was big...
0:16:36 > 0:16:42..and if it was raining, they'd ask what the noise was.
0:16:42 > 0:16:46But after that, they got used to it.
0:16:48 > 0:16:52In Powys, the county council has already rejected applications...
0:16:52 > 0:16:55..for five new wind farms this year.
0:16:55 > 0:16:59That will lead to public and expensive investigations.
0:16:59 > 0:17:02The UK Government's energy department has the authority...
0:17:03 > 0:17:05..to reject or approve developments...
0:17:05 > 0:17:09..that produce more than 50 megawatts of energy.
0:17:12 > 0:17:15Near Llanwddyn and Lake Vyrnwy, these conifer trees...
0:17:15 > 0:17:18..are part of Dyfnant Forest.
0:17:18 > 0:17:23The Forestry Commission controls it, a body that's about to join...
0:17:23 > 0:17:26..the Environment Agency and the Countryside Council.
0:17:27 > 0:17:30So the real owners are the Welsh Government...
0:17:30 > 0:17:35..and some of these trees will make way to around 35 turbines.
0:17:35 > 0:17:39The initial plans emphasise that some of the turbines...
0:17:39 > 0:17:41..could be 185 metres high.
0:17:41 > 0:17:43That's over 600 feet.
0:17:43 > 0:17:48That's seven times taller than some of the trees that grow here.
0:17:52 > 0:17:56Scottish Power Renewables has the contract to build the wind farm...
0:17:56 > 0:18:00..but the Spanish company, Iberdrola, owns Scottish Power.
0:18:00 > 0:18:03Many believe this row wouldn't have emerged...
0:18:03 > 0:18:08..if it wasn't for planning policy and a document called TAN 8...
0:18:08 > 0:18:10..that was published in 2005.
0:18:10 > 0:18:14The Environment Minister at the time was Carwyn Jones...
0:18:14 > 0:18:16..who's now the First Minister.
0:18:16 > 0:18:20TAN 8 noted seven areas the Government believes...
0:18:21 > 0:18:23..are suitable for development.
0:18:23 > 0:18:27It was also meant to offer leadership to local authorities...
0:18:27 > 0:18:31..on what should be considered when decisions were made...
0:18:31 > 0:18:33..on planning applications for wind farms.
0:18:34 > 0:18:38But Taro Naw has spoken to several of the local authorities...
0:18:38 > 0:18:41..that were involved in the process.
0:18:41 > 0:18:45One former senior official says the document was a fait accompli.
0:18:45 > 0:18:46There was agreement...
0:18:47 > 0:18:49..that the Government's consultation wasn't sufficient.
0:18:49 > 0:18:54TAN 8 doesn't consider how rural roads would cope...
0:18:54 > 0:18:56..with big lorries carrying turbine parts.
0:18:56 > 0:18:58There's also been little consideration...
0:18:58 > 0:19:02..as to how to connect this energy to the Grid.
0:19:04 > 0:19:08Iwan Evans was a Chief Planning Officer in Gwynedd seven years ago.
0:19:08 > 0:19:12He agrees that the consultation was not thorough enough.
0:19:13 > 0:19:15There was a consultation.
0:19:15 > 0:19:21How much attention was paid to comments made by individuals...
0:19:21 > 0:19:23..I'm not completely sure.
0:19:23 > 0:19:28There wasn't much difference between the draft and final versions.
0:19:29 > 0:19:33Some say the final version was pushed through...
0:19:33 > 0:19:40..more quickly to avoid carrying out an environmental assessment...
0:19:40 > 0:19:45..on the final version before environmental rules and laws...
0:19:45 > 0:19:48..came into being in 2005.
0:19:48 > 0:19:55The TAN 8 final document was passed before those rules were enforceable.
0:19:55 > 0:19:57According to TAN 8...
0:19:57 > 0:20:01..three areas in mid Wales were suitable for wind farms.
0:20:01 > 0:20:03It was an effective means of attracting...
0:20:04 > 0:20:06..big business and local developers.
0:20:06 > 0:20:08While discussing the policy with the Welsh Government...
0:20:09 > 0:20:11..several planning officers predicted problems.
0:20:11 > 0:20:13Not everyone agreed.
0:20:14 > 0:20:17It didn't matter if some disagreed...
0:20:17 > 0:20:22..it was a Government matter to form a policy.
0:20:22 > 0:20:27As Carwyn Jones was Wales's Environment Minister...
0:20:27 > 0:20:31..who introduced the controversial TAN 8 policy in 2005...
0:20:31 > 0:20:35..we were keen to interview him but he refused.
0:20:35 > 0:20:38While preparing this programme, it was suggested to me...
0:20:38 > 0:20:43..that the First Minster was advised not to be interviewed on the subject.
0:20:43 > 0:20:50But this situation exists in Powys because TAN 8 earmarked three areas..
0:20:50 > 0:20:54..to develop wind energy here in mid Wales.
0:20:54 > 0:20:57A number of people have told Taro Naw that they too...
0:20:58 > 0:21:00..would like to meet face-to-face with Carwyn Jones...
0:21:01 > 0:21:02..to discuss their concerns.
0:21:02 > 0:21:06A hundred miles of pylons and 20 acre sub-station...
0:21:06 > 0:21:08At last year's show in Builth Wells...
0:21:08 > 0:21:13..members of MAP invited the First Minister to Powys to meet them.
0:21:13 > 0:21:15Why don't you come to Montgomeryshire?
0:21:15 > 0:21:18I'll make a deal. You get the UK Government there...
0:21:19 > 0:21:22A year later, the campaigners are still waiting.
0:21:22 > 0:21:25During the past 15 months, Carwyn Jones has said...
0:21:25 > 0:21:28.. it's unnecessary to overdevelop mid Wales.
0:21:28 > 0:21:32But he then said that the National Grid's plans should be supported.
0:21:33 > 0:21:37The local AM feels he should respond publicly...
0:21:37 > 0:21:41..to allegations against TAN 8 and admits his view is confusing.
0:21:41 > 0:21:44After going there with protesters last year...
0:21:44 > 0:21:49..he made a statement, and I agreed with and welcomed what he said.
0:21:49 > 0:21:52But after returning to discussions with the companies...
0:21:52 > 0:21:53..he changed his mind.
0:21:53 > 0:21:55Now he's hiding and won't talk.
0:21:55 > 0:21:59Go and interview him now, on this programme.
0:22:00 > 0:22:04Where is he, under the desk? He won't talk at all.
0:22:04 > 0:22:11He agrees that TAN 8 was agreed before consultation.
0:22:12 > 0:22:14Carwyn Jones wanted to be seen doing something.
0:22:14 > 0:22:19He wanted to look the big man. He wanted to launch his new policy.
0:22:19 > 0:22:22It was decided before they spoke to anyone.
0:22:23 > 0:22:27Some campaigners have told Taro Naw they would be prepared...
0:22:27 > 0:22:30..to take their protest a stage further...
0:22:30 > 0:22:32..to stop developments in Powys.
0:22:32 > 0:22:34Do you fear there will be violence?
0:22:35 > 0:22:38Some have suggested to me that they would respond with violence.
0:22:39 > 0:22:42Well, people can lose their tempers.
0:22:43 > 0:22:45But no, it's a gentle area.
0:22:46 > 0:22:50But there is a danger that if the turbines and pylons were approved...
0:22:50 > 0:22:53..that the response would be angry.
0:22:53 > 0:22:55I think if every other avenue is exhausted...
0:22:56 > 0:22:58..and our peaceful campaign fails...
0:22:59 > 0:23:03..I can almost guarantee that there will be a degree of civil unrest.
0:23:04 > 0:23:08Gwyn Morris is waiting to hear whether he'll get permission...
0:23:08 > 0:23:12..for one turbine on his farm next door to his brother's.
0:23:12 > 0:23:15Although he won't change his mind, he thinks the protests...
0:23:16 > 0:23:18..are already affecting some farmers.
0:23:18 > 0:23:23I'm sure there are, when you see this hysteria against these pylons.
0:23:23 > 0:23:27Yes, they've backed off, thought twice.
0:23:27 > 0:23:31Others predicting that communities will divide...
0:23:31 > 0:23:34..and be weary of attending public meetings in the future...
0:23:34 > 0:23:38..because of the way the protesters make them feel.
0:23:39 > 0:23:41Uncomfortable, certainly uncomfortable.
0:23:42 > 0:23:45That's not how is used to be here.