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:00:37. > :00:43.Good morning and welcome to the week when Margaret Thatcher re-

:00:43. > :00:46.entered political argument. Sarah Palin, whipping up interest in her

:00:46. > :00:49.possible presidential campaign, says she hopes to see Lady T when

:00:49. > :00:52.stopping by in London. Lady Thatcher's office tells the

:00:52. > :00:56.Guardian that she won't be welcome - that it would belittle her

:00:56. > :00:59.because Palin is nuts. This British story's reverberated round the

:00:59. > :01:02.world and caused both great distress and great merriment in the

:01:02. > :01:09.States and all I can say is, Sarah, if you're coming past, you're

:01:09. > :01:14.welcome on our sofa any time. There's a lot, too, in the papers

:01:14. > :01:18.about Labour's brothers at war. Brothers in the old days used to be

:01:18. > :01:21.slang for trade unions now it means Milibands. They're not with us,

:01:21. > :01:25.sadly, but we do have couple of people with inside track knowledge

:01:25. > :01:28.to guide us through the papers. Ann Treneman is the parliamentary

:01:28. > :01:31.sketch writer for the Times, and Charlie Falconer - Lord Falconer -

:01:31. > :01:33.was a key member of Tony Blair's cabinet. One man who knows about

:01:33. > :01:37.the brutal nature of Labour politics is the former Australian

:01:37. > :01:40.Labour leader and Prime Minister Kevin Rudd. When his colleagues

:01:40. > :01:43.feared he'd lose the next election they swiftly replaced him with his

:01:43. > :01:46.deputy Julia Gillard. But Kevin Rudd is back in the front line, as

:01:46. > :01:51.Australia's Foreign Minister, and he's just arrived in London for the

:01:51. > :01:53.big conference on vaccination that opens tomorrow. We'll be asking him

:01:53. > :01:55.about that, Australia's moves to get their troops out of Afghanistan

:01:55. > :02:00.and much more. The International Development Secretary Andrew

:02:00. > :02:03.Mitchell's also here today. While few will oppose the huge push to

:02:03. > :02:05.save the lives of millions of children with vaccinations some are

:02:05. > :02:08.questioning the scale of British taxpayer's money going to, for

:02:08. > :02:16.instance India, while its government can apparently afford a

:02:16. > :02:19.space programme. We also be talking about Syria. This morning we'll

:02:19. > :02:21.also try and shed light on the great pause. Not a U-turn, you

:02:22. > :02:25.understand, the great pause over the government's health reform

:02:25. > :02:27.plans. With Clare Gerada of the Royal College of GPs and the Tory

:02:28. > :02:30.tipped to take over as Health Secretary if Andrew Lansley goes,

:02:30. > :02:33.Stephen Dorrell. Also, Britain's greatest playwright brought to life

:02:33. > :02:36.by one of our great actors. Simon Callow, famed for his many

:02:36. > :02:39.Hollywood roles, is here to talk about his latest venture, breathing

:02:39. > :02:48.new life into the mysterious figure of the man who was William

:02:48. > :02:50.Shakespeare. First, the news with Good morning. The United States

:02:50. > :02:53.says Syria has created a humanitarian crisis, following

:02:54. > :02:56.weeks of repression of anti- government protestors. More than

:02:57. > :03:01.4000 people have fled across the border to refugee camps in Turkey,

:03:01. > :03:04.and witnesses say more towns have been attacked in the last 24 hours.

:03:04. > :03:11.The White House is calling for Syria to give the Red Cross access

:03:11. > :03:16.to areas where the Syrian armed forces have been deployed. Refugees

:03:16. > :03:20.shelter along Turkey's border with Syria. They carry what they can. A

:03:20. > :03:24.few meagre possessions and their children. And they bring their

:03:24. > :03:30.stories. Vivid descriptions of the escalating violence in their towns

:03:30. > :03:34.and villages. This man has defected from the Syrian army. We were told

:03:34. > :03:44.to fire on protesters, he said, and anyone who refused was shot in the

:03:44. > :03:47.back or neck. This is what they are fleeing from. These unverified

:03:47. > :03:51.pictures appear to show Syrian helicopter gunships firing on their

:03:51. > :03:56.own people and troops on the streets. The government says they

:03:56. > :04:04.are fighting armed terrorist groups. But for many Syrians it is simply

:04:04. > :04:09.time to leave it. Official estimates say that more than 4000

:04:09. > :04:13.people have already entered Turkey. Many more may have crossed the

:04:13. > :04:17.poorest border undetected. The White House has accused the Syrian

:04:17. > :04:21.regime of creating a humanitarian crisis. That was met with

:04:21. > :04:27.scepticism by one activist in Damascus. The international

:04:28. > :04:32.community could and take Syria's decision to contain what is going

:04:33. > :04:37.on on the ground. Its three months now. The thousands of people got

:04:37. > :04:42.killed. It's too late. Reports have emerged of Syrian tanks attacking

:04:42. > :04:47.the border towns. As UN agencies in Turkey prepare for their rival, the

:04:47. > :04:52.fleeing Syrian people are simply hoping to find some respite. At

:04:52. > :04:54.least 34 people have been killed in two bomb attacks in Pakistan. The

:04:54. > :04:57.explosions happened minutes apart in a supermarket in the north

:04:57. > :05:06.western city of Peshawar. Officials say more than 90 other people have

:05:06. > :05:11.been injured. Police say the first explosion in the busy Khyber market

:05:11. > :05:14.in Peshawar had been small. But just as bystanders gathered at the

:05:14. > :05:20.spot and emergency services personnel were a Viking, there was

:05:20. > :05:24.a second, much larger blast. TRANSLATION: I was passing through

:05:24. > :05:27.when the blast occurred. We were on the way to the bizarre. As we were

:05:27. > :05:32.near the square there was suddenly a big blast. When we came back

:05:32. > :05:37.there was no rescue team or officials. I saw eight dead bodies

:05:37. > :05:40.lying under the transformer. Four to five bodies were lying here and

:05:40. > :05:44.at the hotel building. It is just the latest in a series of militant

:05:44. > :05:49.attacks across the country that have targeted both Pakistan

:05:49. > :05:55.security forces and civilians. Many believe Islamist groups are taking

:05:55. > :05:58.revenge for the death of all summer been no to, including the recent

:05:58. > :06:03.upsurge in American drone attacks and the sense that Pakistan may be

:06:03. > :06:11.preparing to carry out a limited offensive at least in a notorious

:06:11. > :06:14.militant stronghold of North Waziristan. Ed Miliband is facing

:06:14. > :06:17.further criticism this morning with some senior Labour figures

:06:17. > :06:21.expressing unhappiness over his leadership of the party. The

:06:22. > :06:26.criticism comes amongst a new paper claims that Ed Miliband is still

:06:26. > :06:29.feuding with his brother, David, and there is tension between him

:06:29. > :06:32.and the shadow chancellor, Ed Balls. The drinks retailer Diageo is to

:06:32. > :06:34.fund a training programme for midwives in England and Wales, on

:06:34. > :06:37.the dangers of drinking alcohol in pregnancy. The British Medical

:06:37. > :06:40.Association has expressed concern about the drinks industry funding

:06:40. > :06:44.such a scheme. The International Monetary Fund says it's

:06:45. > :06:49.investigating a significant attack on its computer network. The IMF

:06:49. > :06:52.holds sensitive economic data about many countries. The cyber-attack

:06:52. > :06:58.has been described as large and sophisticated, and is thought to be

:06:58. > :07:08.connected to an as-yet unidentified government. That's all the news,

:07:08. > :07:08.

:07:08. > :07:16.Now to the front pages. There are lots of stories about Labour being

:07:16. > :07:20.in trouble. That's the Sunday Times. The Sunday Telegraph has a

:07:21. > :07:27.different story. 102 foreign offenders that cannot be deported.

:07:27. > :07:32.And also an interview with Chris Patten, the new boss of the BBC's

:07:32. > :07:37.Trust. Saying we might have to close a channel. The Observer has

:07:37. > :07:43.Chris Huhne on the front page for the right reasons, as the Energy

:07:43. > :07:48.Minister condemning price rises. The Mail on Sunday has got a nice

:07:48. > :07:53.story there. The Queen's cousin has written a memoir with lots of

:07:53. > :08:00.stories and pictures about the Queen. Lily Allen married at the

:08:00. > :08:04.weekend. She has told the assembled throng that she is pregnant. As

:08:04. > :08:12.promised, Ann Treneman and Lord Falconer. Welcome to you both. We

:08:12. > :08:16.will start with the Miliband brothers. It's an onslaught of

:08:16. > :08:20.brothers at war. If I were Ed Miliband, I would love to be in

:08:20. > :08:25.both of their houses this morning watching them reading the papers. I

:08:25. > :08:31.suspect there are different reactions going on. It's just to

:08:31. > :08:35.Brothers at war. I have looked for one person who is for Ed Miliband.

:08:35. > :08:41.In the Independent it says friends of Ed think he's doing well. Who

:08:41. > :08:47.are his friends because there is no other sign of them here? It is

:08:47. > :08:50.pretty thin gruel. The Mail on Sunday reporting to see relies so

:08:50. > :08:55.take extracts from a recent book says, in an attempt to be unkind to

:08:55. > :08:59.Ed, it observed witheringly that he did not drink or take drugs at

:08:59. > :09:02.college, but agonised over which chocolate bars to buy. That is an

:09:02. > :09:06.indication of the extent to which the newspapers are scraping the

:09:06. > :09:10.bottom of the barrel. There is a herd instinct, this is to show what

:09:10. > :09:17.an important person Anne is, she started the whole thing on

:09:17. > :09:22.Wednesday. I'm not to blame for this. We should explain because Ed

:09:22. > :09:28.Miliband, you said, had a dreadful time at Prime Minister's Questions.

:09:28. > :09:32.He was appalling. After that, everybody has been piling into him

:09:32. > :09:37.all week. So you are responsible for it all. If you look at the

:09:37. > :09:41.newspapers, for example, the reference no news item to big

:09:41. > :09:45.beasts mauling Ed Miliband. The three of us looked before had to

:09:45. > :09:49.see what was said on the clothes don't quite back that up. The Mail

:09:49. > :09:54.on Sunday is expecting the fact that he didn't drink and take drugs,

:09:54. > :09:58.which has not normally regarded as a matter of complaint. Don't forget

:09:58. > :10:03.chocolate! You are a big beast, if I can put it that way, Lord

:10:03. > :10:07.Falconer, but he has had a pretty difficult time. The Labour Party

:10:07. > :10:14.does not appear to be cutting through very much, the opinion

:10:14. > :10:17.polls are not great and there are genuine and goblins. -- ramblings.

:10:17. > :10:21.He's having the sort of difficulty that you always have when you have

:10:21. > :10:26.a new government. He became leader immediately after we lost an

:10:26. > :10:36.election. There is a new government that the -- that the media is

:10:36. > :10:41.interested in. There's the other thing which is that David and Co

:10:41. > :10:45.are having a relatively hard time. David Cameron. There's only one

:10:45. > :10:50.Dave in my life. They are having quite a hard time. There is a U-

:10:50. > :10:54.turn here, explosions going around. It just doesn't seem to be that Ed

:10:54. > :10:58.can break through that. In a way, because the press, quite rightly,

:10:58. > :11:02.are interested in what the government are doing in a self

:11:02. > :11:06.contained way, the opposition only become interesting when there are

:11:06. > :11:10.these sorts of rows that are described in the press. It's very

:11:10. > :11:13.interesting that the papers of two bits today. There are lots of

:11:13. > :11:17.disasters striking government - the health service, letting out rapists

:11:17. > :11:21.and all that sort of thing. It's hardly mentioned because it's all

:11:21. > :11:29.about the Milibands. A columnist wrote a good piece this week in

:11:29. > :11:33.which was said during their William Hague and ideas of years, so many

:11:33. > :11:36.senior Conservatives had just disappeared and left them looking

:11:36. > :11:39.rather forlorn. The same was happening now with Ed Miliband.

:11:39. > :11:43.That a lot of people who were at the top of the Labour Party have

:11:43. > :11:47.gone off to do other things. There needs to be a balance struck

:11:47. > :11:51.between the generation whose time has passed going off, that's people

:11:51. > :11:56.like Tony, Gordon and Alastair. And the good, younger people taking

:11:56. > :12:00.over. The leadership of the Labour Party at the moment is Ed Miliband,

:12:00. > :12:03.Ed Balls, Douglas Alexander and others. They are very talented.

:12:03. > :12:08.People like Tessa Jowell or also bear, so there are people with

:12:08. > :12:15.experience. But when you look down and see Ed on the front bench, it

:12:15. > :12:22.does look like he's been abandoned. Anne is a brilliant sketch writer.

:12:23. > :12:29.I can hear a but. But to judge how the Labour Party is doing on the

:12:29. > :12:34.basis of the bald pates on the backs of their heads on the front

:12:34. > :12:37.pages -- frontbenchers isn't a good way to do it. Do you think Ed Balls

:12:37. > :12:45.is plotting, because he's had an awful lot of stick this week as

:12:45. > :12:49.well... No, I do not think he is plotting. The Observer says that Mr

:12:49. > :12:52.Miliband should take a lesson from the Archbishop of Canterbury. I

:12:52. > :12:56.have this wonderful vision of the Archbishop of Canterbury at the

:12:57. > :13:00.dispatch box at PMQs. I think that would be great. The Archbishop of

:13:00. > :13:10.Canterbury is a very wise man, but I don't think he would see himself

:13:10. > :13:11.

:13:11. > :13:18.as a politician. That's enough Milibands. What have you picked up?

:13:18. > :13:23.The news of the World says make NHS slick, not sick. It refers to a

:13:23. > :13:27.pause on the NHS staff, but it also says, we reveal today that waiting

:13:27. > :13:31.lists for cancer checks have more than trebled in the past year. How

:13:31. > :13:36.is it that the government is allowing the National Health

:13:36. > :13:42.Service to decline so dramatically? All of the newspapers are writing

:13:42. > :13:47.about Ed versus David. And I don't mean David Cameron. I mean David

:13:47. > :13:50.Miliband. Because they obviously loved the brothers at war. The

:13:50. > :13:56.pause is quite confusing because no one has seen any pause, people have

:13:56. > :14:00.been running round like mad. I think we all just want to find

:14:00. > :14:05.out... Will be talking about this more in the programme, but it is

:14:05. > :14:08.difficult if you are demolishing a structure to stop halfway through.

:14:08. > :14:11.All the indications on the ground of that the structure that the

:14:12. > :14:14.legislation is allowing to take place is already being introduced.

:14:14. > :14:19.People are saying GPs are coming together in these commissioning

:14:19. > :14:22.groups, irrespective of the fact that a 300 page bill is not getting

:14:22. > :14:26.through Parliament and the Prime Minister is promoting the bill and

:14:26. > :14:30.is looking at it again. I think the problem is nobody understands the

:14:30. > :14:35.changes. Is there a U-turn? Who knows, because we don't know where

:14:35. > :14:41.we started from. What we read in the Telegraph is that Nick Clegg is

:14:41. > :14:49.kind of claiming victory for this. I think he quotes Nick Clegg as

:14:49. > :14:52.saying, we have one. It looks like political positioning to me rather

:14:52. > :15:02.than a defined and the standing of what's going on in the health

:15:02. > :15:06.

:15:06. > :15:11.service reforms. Next from you. I've got a... This is a sad tale.

:15:12. > :15:16.This is Brian the snail. He's been sacked. You know the man who takes

:15:16. > :15:20.forever to finish every marathon. I think he just finished the last one

:15:20. > :15:26.the other day. He's not raising enough money. He says the time has

:15:26. > :15:31.gone. He's raised 5 million in the past and now it's not there anymore.

:15:31. > :15:40.This male thing is taking longer. He's taking more money doing it and

:15:41. > :15:48.he's raising. He does admit defeat Not a lot about Lords reforms in

:15:48. > :15:52.the papers. And here, another disgraced Lord, �14,000.

:15:52. > :15:58.government has introduced a truly awful bill for Lords reform which

:15:58. > :16:04.doesn't deal with the relationship between the Commons and the Lords.

:16:04. > :16:10.By making it elected, you can only have gridlock with the Commons. I,

:16:10. > :16:16.like most people, strongly oppose the proposals but I do think some

:16:16. > :16:24.less ambitious reforms can go through, like ejecting Lords who

:16:24. > :16:29.commit criminals -- crimes. This government has produced 117 New

:16:29. > :16:35.Lords. Allowed to sit in the gallery rather than the Lords.

:16:35. > :16:40.poured cut -- your party talked a lot about Lords reform. Do you

:16:40. > :16:45.think this big reform will happen finally? I do not. The right thing

:16:45. > :16:48.is to oppose it, it is not well thought-out but focusing on issues

:16:48. > :16:58.which the public is not interested in. They want the government to

:16:58. > :17:00.

:17:00. > :17:07.deal with economy, crime, education. It will bleed energy out of the

:17:07. > :17:11.political system at a time when you really need good leadership.

:17:11. > :17:17.think you would say some of that anyway. I just think all of the

:17:17. > :17:27.papers have a picture of the Duchess of Cambridge on the front.

:17:27. > :17:36.And, I feel, I feel I have a lifetime of pictures of her looking

:17:37. > :17:44.lovely. And a picture here of a secret trip to Boots. And a picture

:17:44. > :17:50.of Prince William. And a little beaver! Saying the Prince has the

:17:50. > :17:55.same expression! Not getting the best press at the moment. The and

:17:55. > :17:59.your story? The biggest story is what is going on in that Syria. A

:17:59. > :18:09.town in the north with 40,000 people is now, according to most

:18:09. > :18:12.

:18:12. > :18:17.reports, surrounded and completely surrounded by security forces.

:18:17. > :18:22.Since Friday, the reports coming out of that town is that the Syrian

:18:22. > :18:26.army is pounding innocent people. Refugees are fleeing to the Turkish

:18:26. > :18:32.border. One of the good things this government has done is it has

:18:32. > :18:36.pursued an effective policy under Andrew Mitchell in relation to

:18:36. > :18:41.international development. I will be interested to hear what he says

:18:41. > :18:46.later. He has proved himself a leader in the world of

:18:46. > :18:52.international relations. This Syrian problem is a real tragedy in

:18:52. > :18:55.the process of happening. Everyone has been saying we should not be

:18:55. > :19:01.intervening in Libya, but when you do not intervene, this kind of

:19:01. > :19:07.thing happens. Well, yes, it is impossible not to ask the question.

:19:07. > :19:12.We are very involved with Libya. This terrible thing, this attack on

:19:12. > :19:22.the people of Syria. At the moment, we're just reading about it in the

:19:22. > :19:23.

:19:23. > :19:29.newspapers. The reason with Libya, the world turned against Gaddafi.

:19:30. > :19:32.And it is turning against Assad. If the world is not clear it in its

:19:32. > :19:37.message that he must go, he will feel able to do these appalling

:19:37. > :19:43.things. That is our review of the day when there has been such a lot

:19:43. > :19:49.about the Miliband brothers. scenario in which Ed Miliband steps

:19:49. > :19:54.down? Tomorrow's speech is critical. A big speech. In opposition, your

:19:55. > :19:58.next speech is the most critical one. I am sure he will be the

:19:58. > :20:04.Leader of the Opposition when the next election comes, the sooner,

:20:04. > :20:10.the better. And the talk continues, too good a story for the newspapers

:20:10. > :20:17.to walk away. The newspapers have such fun, such fun about Tony Blair

:20:17. > :20:23.and Gordon Brown. That was nostalgia. Ann looks back to a

:20:23. > :20:28.golden past. These brothers make an exciting story. But, Ed's will make

:20:28. > :20:37.a breakthrough, he will draw people's attention it to education,

:20:37. > :20:41.One of the weirdest weeks of weather just passed. Baking hot and

:20:41. > :20:44.desert dry in parts of the south, and snow falling in Wales. Then,

:20:44. > :20:47.what we used to call in our family, "thunderplumps", big dumps of

:20:47. > :20:57.sudden rain. For the picture throughout Britain for the rest of

:20:57. > :21:01.The mixed weather continues for the week ahead thanks to low pressure.

:21:02. > :21:09.The first arrives today which means for England, Wales and Northern

:21:09. > :21:16.Ireland, a wet and breezy day. A band of sometimes heavy rain will

:21:16. > :21:20.run north and east, the winds picking up. The rain, not great

:21:20. > :21:26.news for the tennis at Queen's Club, the rain it setting in there. Sunny

:21:26. > :21:31.spells and showers into Scotland. Overnight, this band of rain will

:21:31. > :21:37.push north across the UK. The heaviest towards the end of the

:21:37. > :21:43.night. For the rest of us, damp and drizzly by dawn. But a mild night,

:21:43. > :21:48.into double figures. Monday, not a particularly nice start, a few

:21:48. > :21:54.bursts of rain, wet and windy in northern Scotland. For the rest of

:21:54. > :22:00.us, the skies will brighten, decent spells of sunshine, a little bit

:22:00. > :22:06.water -- warmer. Dry and find on Tuesday. Low pressure brings

:22:06. > :22:09.further showers in the middle of The Australian Labour Party swept

:22:09. > :22:13.to power in 2007 after many years in opposition. Kevin Rudd, the

:22:13. > :22:16.charismatic young leader, delivered electoral victory. But, within a

:22:16. > :22:20.couple of years, his popularity began declining. Colleagues in the

:22:20. > :22:24.party started muttering, and he was swiftly deposed and replaced by his

:22:24. > :22:27.deputy. Rather more swift and brutal than the coup attempts in

:22:27. > :22:30.the Labor Party around the same time. But, unlike Tony Blair or

:22:30. > :22:33.Gordon Brown, Kevin Rudd remains at the top of the tree. He's

:22:33. > :22:41.Australia's Foreign Minister, and he's just arrived in London. Good

:22:41. > :22:49.morning. You are here for this huge

:22:49. > :22:52.conference on vaccination. People realise this is a massive issue,

:22:53. > :23:00.literally millions, possibly tens of millions of us are hanging in

:23:00. > :23:04.the balance. This is fundamentally important. If you are concerned

:23:04. > :23:08.about aid effectiveness, it is one of the most effective things you

:23:08. > :23:13.can do worldwide. This global alliance on vaccinations and

:23:13. > :23:20.immunisations, over the last decade, millions of kids around the world

:23:20. > :23:24.had been immunised, 5 million kids's buyers have been saved.

:23:24. > :23:30.Extraordinary work, it makes him until difference. That's why we are

:23:30. > :23:38.behind it 100%. Let us talk about the world as it seems from

:23:38. > :23:43.Australia's viewpoint. It is round. You have got troops, 1,500, in

:23:43. > :23:50.Afghanistan, where you have been taking bosses in proportion as well.

:23:50. > :23:57.There seems to be a mood, not a mutinous mood, but a weary wooed --

:23:57. > :24:00.mood. Australia has been in Afghanistan since 2001. But we have

:24:00. > :24:07.been resolute throughout, with support from both sides of

:24:07. > :24:13.Australian politics. In the last five years, we have been waged

:24:13. > :24:18.between Holman's and Kandahar. A fairly violent part of the world.

:24:18. > :24:23.The poorest province in Afghanistan. But we intend to be resolute and

:24:23. > :24:28.remain there until our mission is discharged. We are mindful what

:24:28. > :24:34.Hamid Karzai said about transition, and Afghan led security. We intend

:24:34. > :24:40.to complete our mission. Are you very worried about the governance

:24:40. > :24:47.issues in Kabul. There have been terrible stories of corruption

:24:47. > :24:52.there, haven't they? Failure to extend a authority. Let me give you

:24:52. > :24:56.an example about the province we have responsibility end. The

:24:56. > :25:02.country's poorest province. If you are going to give an insight into

:25:02. > :25:09.how the country as a whole is going, I can give you generalities, but

:25:09. > :25:13.specifics on this province. I have visited it four or five times, in

:25:13. > :25:19.transition. In terms of the security hold of our the province,

:25:19. > :25:24.it is quite extensive. The provincial governor is running out

:25:24. > :25:29.an effective programme, with probity standards which are highly

:25:29. > :25:34.reasonable by Afghanistan standards. We have roads under construction,

:25:34. > :25:39.markets emerging, schools cropping up, I opened a mosque there the

:25:39. > :25:43.other day. And I have got to say, in terms of overall delivery of

:25:43. > :25:50.basic services, girls going to school, we are seeing a radical

:25:50. > :25:55.transformation. On a Richter scale of 1-10, we began at one. 10 is a

:25:55. > :25:59.fully functioning Westminster democracy. We are somewhere near

:25:59. > :26:04.five. But let me tell you we are making progress. If the trouble is,

:26:04. > :26:09.when the troops come out, it is a letter had the Taliban will come

:26:09. > :26:15.back, then all those girls at school had a bleak future. Let me

:26:15. > :26:21.give you a provincial example, we have this was pretty good training

:26:21. > :26:26.battalions in the Afghan national army. We have 1,500 troops there.

:26:26. > :26:32.We are well advanced in training that battalion. With the Afghan

:26:32. > :26:35.national police. It is not perfect but they are becoming highly

:26:35. > :26:39.competent security forces. We are not in the business of creating a

:26:39. > :26:44.fully functioning Westminster democracy, we are not deluded. In

:26:44. > :26:48.terms of what is described as Afghanistan good enough, we are

:26:48. > :26:56.headed in that direction against most of the measures. Let me ask

:26:56. > :27:01.about China, your local superpower. Globally heading in that direction

:27:01. > :27:06.as well. They have a revamped aircraft carrier which has alarmed

:27:06. > :27:11.some people in the region. An interesting kid when the global

:27:11. > :27:15.economy is ropey. Do you think the Chinese are extending their

:27:16. > :27:22.military muscle around the Pacific and China Seas? I first went to

:27:22. > :27:29.work in China in 1984. You are a fluent Chinese Speaker and expert.

:27:29. > :27:34.Most Chinese experts are surprised by what they see in China. The

:27:34. > :27:38.radical transformations, the world is largely familiar with, communism

:27:38. > :27:42.becoming a market economy. The radical transformation of the

:27:42. > :27:46.Chinese economy in terms of its global size. What we need to

:27:46. > :27:53.prepare ourselves for is for this to accelerate again. The Chinese

:27:53. > :28:01.are the most recent -- have most recently agreed on a growth model

:28:01. > :28:07.taking it in terms of services industry based, relies on renewable

:28:07. > :28:14.energy, which will create a new engine of growth. 96 cities in

:28:14. > :28:19.China have populations in excess of 5 million. Ageing populations in

:28:19. > :28:26.excess of 10 million. Skyscrapers going up. Let us say China within

:28:26. > :28:29.the next decade is likely to emerge as the world's largest economy. Its

:28:29. > :28:37.foreign policy will increase which creates challenges and

:28:37. > :28:43.opportunities. In the autumn, we have the Commonwealth heads of

:28:44. > :28:49.government summit. An emotional visit by the Queen. She is always

:28:49. > :28:59.very welcome in Australia. And very well liked. What is the mood about

:28:59. > :28:59.

:28:59. > :29:04.republicanism? These things come and go. The Australian Labour Party

:29:04. > :29:07.is committed to turning the country into a republic. We have not

:29:07. > :29:13.stipulated a timeline. We are sensitive to the other priorities

:29:13. > :29:18.as a nation. But, in time, the country will head in that direction.

:29:18. > :29:24.There is a deep affection in Australia for the Queen. The Queen

:29:25. > :29:30.has been the Queen of us since I was born, she is part of the

:29:30. > :29:38.firmament of Australia's national life. But the country is evolving.

:29:38. > :29:43.Do you think perhaps Prince Charles will not be king of Australia?

:29:43. > :29:48.is an -- it entirely a matter for when we have a referendum. Our

:29:48. > :29:54.priority is now are the global economy, developments in Europe,

:29:55. > :30:03.making sure we are dealing with the rise of China. This falls somewhat

:30:03. > :30:07.David Cameron hasn't abandoned his controversial health reforms, he's

:30:07. > :30:11.put them on hold while he listens to his critics and decides how best

:30:11. > :30:16.to modify them. So this is either an example of a grown-up government

:30:16. > :30:19.willing to listen, or it's a humiliating U-turn. Whatever your

:30:19. > :30:23.verdict, it's certainly been a serious rethink. The outcome should

:30:23. > :30:31.be known tomorrow. I'm joined by Stephen Dorrell, often tipped to

:30:31. > :30:34.take over it Andrew Lansley goes, and by Dr Clare Gerada or. From

:30:34. > :30:42.what we know now, and we have heard David Cameron at least give the

:30:42. > :30:46.outlines of where the government is going, would you accept phrases

:30:46. > :30:50.like the U-turn our fair enough? What he's done is the calibrate the

:30:50. > :30:54.discussion, so that we are now focused on what it is we are trying

:30:54. > :30:57.to do for patients and the delivery of health care, and less on

:30:58. > :31:02.bureaucratic structures. They Frankley mean very little to

:31:02. > :31:05.patients. What we need to see is a more integrated health service that

:31:05. > :31:09.breaks down some of the fragmentation that received too

:31:09. > :31:13.often, in particular have found care of the elderly, and welds it

:31:13. > :31:20.together into a service that they able to deliver quality and

:31:20. > :31:24.efficiency. What originally word the GPs' worries about this reform?

:31:24. > :31:28.We wrote to the Prime Minister with our nine major concerns, which I'm

:31:28. > :31:30.not going to repeat. But the main one is around restoring the

:31:30. > :31:35.Secretary of State's duty to provide a comprehensive health

:31:35. > :31:40.service, and also the systems that underpin that - the systems around

:31:40. > :31:43.planning and resource allocation. The third one was the area of

:31:43. > :31:47.competition and the role of Monitor. What we didn't want is an NHS that

:31:47. > :31:51.driven by competition. Competition has a part to play but the culture

:31:51. > :31:55.should be around integration, co- operation and collaboration, which

:31:55. > :32:01.it has been for the last 60 odd years. Those were our major

:32:01. > :32:07.concerns. If the rethink involves putting back the Secretary of

:32:07. > :32:12.State's statutory responsibility for health care, and if there's a

:32:12. > :32:17.much slower it moved to GP commissioning, and it, above all,

:32:17. > :32:21.Monitor, this organisation at the top, isn't there primarily to push

:32:21. > :32:26.commercial companies into the NHS, then your organisation is going to

:32:26. > :32:31.be happy? Of course, this has to work for patients. We need to see

:32:31. > :32:34.what is going to be in the rewrite. What we would rather see his

:32:34. > :32:39.competition not driving in any shape or form our health service.

:32:39. > :32:43.We've got to see collaboration, co- operation and integration. For too

:32:43. > :32:48.long it's been about competition. Competition has a place but it also

:32:48. > :32:51.has unintended consequences. It fragments services, you end up with

:32:51. > :32:55.patients having chronic conditions with services that take a long time

:32:55. > :32:59.to knit together. We don't want to unpick that and make things worse

:33:00. > :33:03.for patients. Given where we are now, these changes have started to

:33:03. > :33:08.happen, do you think it's better to press ahead with a reformed Bill

:33:08. > :33:13.rather than ditch the thing? think it's better to start taking

:33:13. > :33:16.stock. The NHS has been through so many reforms. I think the NHS staff

:33:16. > :33:20.need to be congratulated for the care that they do and we need to

:33:20. > :33:23.start restoring morale and start making things better for patients,

:33:23. > :33:27.through working together across health, social care, primary and

:33:27. > :33:31.secondary care. Whether we have a rewrite of the Bill or no bill at

:33:31. > :33:35.all, I leave that to the politicians. In the papers again

:33:35. > :33:41.today, Nick Clegg, the Deputy Prime Minister, is declaring victory on

:33:41. > :33:44.behalf of the Lib Dems. The more the Lib Dems say we have achieved a

:33:44. > :33:48.major U-turn and change the Government's policy, which they

:33:48. > :33:53.feel they have to save for their own supporters, the angrier and

:33:53. > :33:57.more irritated the Conservative MPs get. If you approach this issue as

:33:57. > :34:01.a political rebalancing, frankly, you'll never get to the end of it.

:34:01. > :34:05.What we need to do is focus on the policy rather than the politics.

:34:05. > :34:09.And deliver a more integrated service that meets the needs of

:34:09. > :34:14.patients. One of the things that Clare said that I'd like to pick up

:34:14. > :34:17.his this implication that somehow there's a choice to be made between

:34:17. > :34:23.competition on the one hand and integration on the other. I don't

:34:23. > :34:26.think that's true. I think part of the issue for those who hold

:34:26. > :34:30.budgets in the health service looking forward is to look at

:34:30. > :34:33.alternative ways of delivering care that address some of the

:34:33. > :34:37.fragmentation which is part of the history of the health service that

:34:37. > :34:42.needs to be improved upon. When you ask the Prime Minister in the House

:34:42. > :34:46.of Commons about this, he was making pretty clear there were big

:34:46. > :34:51.changes in what's coming. That's what you are expecting tomorrow.

:34:51. > :34:59.What I'm expecting his baby focus on the objectives of trite -- what

:34:59. > :35:05.we are trying to do for patients. What matters is a service that

:35:05. > :35:09.knits together the different areas - health care, community care,

:35:09. > :35:15.hospital service, social care - all of which are trying to meet the

:35:15. > :35:20.needs of individual patients. lot of people had been worried that

:35:20. > :35:23.Monitor is driving change in the NHS and was being told, above all,

:35:23. > :35:27.to bring in competition. Your job is to get private companies into

:35:27. > :35:34.the NHS. Get some of these US and British help their companies inside

:35:34. > :35:40.the NHS. That was what was worrying people most. If Monitor's role was

:35:40. > :35:44.to change into integrating service, that would be a big change which

:35:44. > :35:53.could be better for the health service? It's a change in the

:35:53. > :35:57.rhetoric. But there's an implication here that that -- there

:35:57. > :36:00.is a public-private partnership. It was Nye Bevan who set up the health

:36:00. > :36:06.service as a public-private partnership. The question is how

:36:06. > :36:09.you deliver the objectives better for patients. Absolutely. It is

:36:09. > :36:13.very confusion because competition means bringing in other providers,

:36:13. > :36:19.and many of those other providers won't be from the not-for-profit,

:36:19. > :36:24.voluntary sector or the NHS existing services. That's not

:36:24. > :36:31.necessarily true. We'd like to see the resources for the NHS that

:36:31. > :36:36.remain in the NHS and don't go into third party pockets. Don't you

:36:36. > :36:39.think there are very efficient, effective private sector providers.

:36:39. > :36:45.They make a profit but they can still provide a better service than

:36:45. > :36:49.somebody can at the moment -- could be a good thing? Competition has a

:36:49. > :36:53.place. But there's very little evidence that external providers

:36:53. > :36:57.can provide a better service. They are also unstable. We've seen this

:36:57. > :37:01.with Southern Cross, you don't know how long they are going to last.

:37:01. > :37:05.The end up with services on five to seven-year contract, which means

:37:05. > :37:11.patients don't tend to have five to seven-year diseases, they have long

:37:11. > :37:17.term. In the original bill there was a very strong suggestion that

:37:17. > :37:21.some current parts of the NHS might just go bust if they fail to

:37:21. > :37:27.provide the services. That again worried people. In what we see

:37:28. > :37:32.tomorrow, are you expecting that to disappear? That was actually in the

:37:32. > :37:36.structures that were set up during the later years around Foundation

:37:37. > :37:42.Trusts. That these are independent institutions. The question is what

:37:42. > :37:47.happens to them when they get into financial difficulty? This is the

:37:47. > :37:50.implication that this is No. Howl something new. Within the health

:37:50. > :37:55.service, throughout its history, of course it's a change an institution.

:37:55. > :37:59.When institutions no longer meet a current requirement, you have to

:37:59. > :38:05.change them. Do you think the legislation will go through this

:38:05. > :38:10.summer? I do. So we will get a bill and the reforms back on track?

:38:10. > :38:13.Andrew Lansley will remain Health Secretary? Andrew Lansley will

:38:13. > :38:16.remain Health Secretary. The Prime Minister has made that clear and he

:38:16. > :38:20.has also made clear from the beginning of the process that no

:38:20. > :38:24.change can never be an option for the NHS. And particularly not at a

:38:24. > :38:29.time when the key challenge it faces come at a time when resources

:38:29. > :38:34.are less generously endowed than they were in the last decade, is to

:38:34. > :38:38.meet the needs of patients who use resources more efficiently. When

:38:38. > :38:42.the Liberal Democrats at their conference, look how well we've

:38:42. > :38:46.done, and your colleagues of grinding their molars, what would

:38:46. > :38:53.you be saving? Just take it on the chin and move on? Look at the

:38:54. > :38:58.policy, not at the politics. Simon Callow is one of our most

:38:58. > :39:03.celebrated character actors. He stole the show in Four Weddings and

:39:03. > :39:07.a Funeral. He's also appeared in period dramas such as A Room With A

:39:07. > :39:11.View, the wonderful E M Forster novel which became a film. And he

:39:11. > :39:15.brought Charles Dickens to staging a one-man show which got fantastic

:39:15. > :39:19.reviews and coverage. He's working still on a biography of Charles

:39:19. > :39:23.Dickens. His latest project gives him a chance to take on an array of

:39:23. > :39:27.Shakespearean roles, all in one evening. This is a one-man play

:39:27. > :39:36.called Being Shakespeare, which explores the dramatist's life and

:39:36. > :39:44.work. It opens this week in London. Let's talk about the Shakespeare

:39:44. > :39:49.performance, which draws heavily on a rather wonderful book. Jonathan

:39:50. > :39:52.Bates, the genius of Shakespeare. It was inspiring to me because it

:39:53. > :39:56.showed us how William Shakespeare was educated. That is something

:39:56. > :39:59.that no one ever thinks about. They think of him as this boy from

:39:59. > :40:06.Stratford who probably had no education and picked it all up as

:40:06. > :40:10.he went along, but he was a grammar school boy. Grammar-school boys had

:40:10. > :40:14.an education that would make a PhD student Bourke to date. He knew how

:40:14. > :40:18.to use language. That's all he learned. He didn't learn anything

:40:18. > :40:22.about history or geography, just language. Although people say we

:40:22. > :40:26.know almost nothing about Shakespeare's life, that is not

:40:26. > :40:29.exactly true. We know all the important things. We know where he

:40:29. > :40:34.was born, where he died, when he got married, how many children he

:40:34. > :40:39.had, when they died, his career. How he went to London and the plays

:40:39. > :40:41.he wrote. What we don't know is all the intimate, in their stuff that

:40:41. > :40:46.we long to know. What he thought about things, what people thought

:40:46. > :40:50.about him. In this performance, do you pick up things... There has

:40:50. > :40:55.been a lot of talk about Hamlet and his own son dying, there are hints

:40:55. > :40:58.and echoes in the play of that interior life. Absolutely. We use

:40:58. > :41:03.the seven Ages of man as the structure, which is the story of

:41:03. > :41:07.all of us. We ask what it was like to be members -- to the Elizabethan

:41:07. > :41:11.child, schoolboy, lover, soldier and so one. By putting together

:41:11. > :41:17.what we know about what it was to be an Elizabethan of William

:41:17. > :41:21.Shakespeare's kind, a boy from the country, and what we know about him

:41:21. > :41:25.and then what we find in the plays, it's possible to give a sense of

:41:25. > :41:28.what it was like to be William Shakespeare. From what you are

:41:28. > :41:32.saying, I can detect you have no truck with all of those people who

:41:32. > :41:36.say William Shakespeare, the historical William Shakespeare, was

:41:36. > :41:39.far too ignorant to have written these plays, it must have been

:41:40. > :41:43.bacon or somebody else. It's hard to know why his principal rival,

:41:43. > :41:47.Ben Johnson, would have written the preface to his collected works and

:41:47. > :41:52.said, these plays were written by the man who we've shown a picture

:41:52. > :41:56.of, who is William Shakespeare from Stratford on Avon. Why would he

:41:56. > :42:00.like? Why would Ben Johnson lie about that? Why would Shakespeare's

:42:00. > :42:05.colleagues like? Shakespeare was not written by Shakespeare but by

:42:05. > :42:11.another man of the same name. Exactly. This is a performance

:42:11. > :42:16.which follows the dickens performance. Yes. You are writing a

:42:16. > :42:20.biography of Charles Dickens as well. A short biography. It's much

:42:20. > :42:24.harder to write a short biography than a long one, but in the case of

:42:24. > :42:30.Charles Dickens, about whom we know everything. 12 volumes of his

:42:30. > :42:33.letters have now been produced. 1000 pages each. We know almost

:42:33. > :42:37.everything but still come up with him there is a mystery. There has

:42:37. > :42:41.to be with every writer. That's part of what we are trying to do

:42:41. > :42:46.with William Shakespeare, is to probe the mystery. You've done

:42:46. > :42:52.Shakespearean roles yourself. It's an obvious question, but presumably

:42:52. > :42:55.you'd like to do King Lear at some point. I long to do it. What I want

:42:55. > :43:01.to do over the next 10 years of my life, to play the parts that are in

:43:01. > :43:05.my range now. King Lear, Shylock, Titus and vomitous. The point is

:43:05. > :43:08.the older you get, the more you understand what he wrote. Its

:43:08. > :43:12.famously true that if you are Juliet, it is impossible to

:43:12. > :43:16.understand what Shakespeare wrote about Juliet because the he was 35

:43:16. > :43:19.or what ever when he wrote it and understood more about what it is to

:43:19. > :43:23.be young than a young person can know. I'd like to ask you about

:43:23. > :43:28.something which has been hugely dominating the papers in the last

:43:28. > :43:33.couple of weeks - care homes. And the way old people... You put

:43:33. > :43:38.your mother into a carehome. Yes. just wonder how you react to this

:43:38. > :43:43.sense that as a country we are not putting enough money and thought in.

:43:44. > :43:48.We've got some of these great big carehome countries -- companies in

:43:48. > :43:51.terrible financial difficulty. a very grave situation. I'm lucky,

:43:51. > :43:57.I found a very good home for my mother, but it's not cheap at all.

:43:57. > :44:01.I pay quite a lot towards that. have to downsize. I did. Basically,

:44:01. > :44:07.I sold my house in order to make sure I'd have enough money. My

:44:07. > :44:10.mother is 92 now, but she shows absolutely no sign of what ever of

:44:10. > :44:14.wanting not to be alive any more. So she could easily live for

:44:14. > :44:18.another 10 years, which means I could easily still be supporting

:44:18. > :44:23.her when I'm 75, which is quite a serious thought. This is something

:44:23. > :44:28.which may happen to you at 75, but also, we will all end up, we may,

:44:28. > :44:33.if we are lucky, all end up in care homes. It doesn't dominate

:44:33. > :44:38.political debate as perhaps it ought to. It's such a hard thing to

:44:38. > :44:41.take on board. The more medicine advances, the longer people live.

:44:41. > :44:48.That's something we haven't really probably taken on board. Its

:44:48. > :44:54.massive. The idea of someone living-92 in my family circles

:44:54. > :45:03.would have been incomprehensible. Of all the iconic film roles that

:45:03. > :45:09.we could talk about, A Room With A View, perhaps because of some wild

:45:09. > :45:14.early scenes that are stuck in people's memory, frolicking... Was

:45:14. > :45:18.that a particular favourite of yours? It was wonderful. It was my

:45:18. > :45:23.second film ever. My first film was Amadeus, it was a nightmare to make.

:45:23. > :45:27.Partly because the director was trying to directed in a country

:45:27. > :45:32.from which he had departed. They were and are likely to forgive him

:45:33. > :45:36.for that. Room with a view was a Merchant Ivory film, which meant it

:45:36. > :45:40.was family. Suddenly you had a feeling that everybody was in it

:45:40. > :45:44.together. There was no hierarchy. Although there were some of the

:45:44. > :45:54.most famous actors in England at the time, Maggie Smith and Judi

:45:54. > :46:01.Dench and Denholm Elliott. It felt We're going to end with a clip from

:46:01. > :46:06.one of your most popular films, A Room With A View.

:46:06. > :46:14.Congratulations, blessings, your because benediction. I want you to

:46:14. > :46:18.be supremely happy. As man and wife, mother and father. And now 40.

:46:18. > :46:21.in time. David Cameron has robustly defended

:46:21. > :46:24.Britain's aid budget, when every other aspect of government spending

:46:24. > :46:27.has been squeezed. But the idea of helping the disadvantaged in far

:46:27. > :46:29.flung countries ahead of the disadvantaged in this country does

:46:29. > :46:36.have its critics. Andrew Mitchell, the International Development

:46:36. > :46:40.Secretary is here. Good morning. We will come on to the critics in a

:46:40. > :46:45.moment. Let us start with your big conference tomorrow, the

:46:45. > :46:50.vaccination conference which Kevin Rudd was talking about. Of course,

:46:50. > :46:55.we are familiar with the fact that nation can cut child mortality. Why

:46:55. > :46:58.is this something people at home should be focusing on now? We had a

:46:58. > :47:04.look when they came into government at all of the different ways

:47:04. > :47:08.Britain does development, who the British taxpayer funds. One of the

:47:08. > :47:16.very best was the global alliance for vaccines and immunisation way

:47:16. > :47:20.you can vaccinate a kid in the poor world for the price of a cup of

:47:20. > :47:24.coffee, against killer diseases. Children and Britain do not die

:47:24. > :47:29.from these diseases. Everyone is coming together tomorrow for a

:47:29. > :47:33.pledging conference to support this, led by our Prime Minister. We are

:47:33. > :47:38.hoping by tomorrow lunchtime to have raised sufficient funding over

:47:38. > :47:43.the next four years to vaccinate a quarter of a billion children in

:47:43. > :47:48.the poor world and save millions of lives. We want to support it very

:47:48. > :47:52.strongly. We have a leadership role. As a result of the action taken

:47:52. > :47:58.tomorrow we have a real chance of saving more than four million

:47:59. > :48:05.children's lives. If you look at the amount of funding coming in,

:48:05. > :48:12.the Gates Foundation has provided the vast majority. From one of the

:48:12. > :48:16.early American tycoons, the man who dies rich, dies disgraced.

:48:16. > :48:23.remarkable combination, very many countries including new countries

:48:23. > :48:28.doing this like Korea, private philanthropic foundations, the

:48:28. > :48:34.private sector. Britain is doing a matching funding approach, so we

:48:34. > :48:38.drag in as much private sector funding and match it. A combination.

:48:38. > :48:43.Committed to try to save lives in the poor world. Let me ask you

:48:43. > :48:48.about a specific issue, we have seen these terrible photos about

:48:48. > :48:54.Syria, and what appears to be a hideous act taking place in

:48:54. > :48:58.northern Syria, people fleeing over the border. What can we do to help?

:48:58. > :49:02.You are right, pictures of extraordinary brutality and

:49:02. > :49:09.repression. That is why the International Committee unanimously

:49:09. > :49:13.has called on Assad to reform or go. People are fleeing into Turkey in

:49:13. > :49:23.large numbers. We have been in close touch with the International

:49:23. > :49:24.

:49:24. > :49:28.Red Cross, and at the moment, the Turkish Red Crescent is engaged on

:49:29. > :49:33.the border providing accommodation for 5,000 people. Britain will give

:49:33. > :49:38.strong humanitarian support in terms of Shelter, medicines and

:49:38. > :49:43.food from our stores in Dubai. The key thing is to stop the repression

:49:43. > :49:49.which is causing very large numbers of people to cross the border. If

:49:49. > :49:53.it continues, there will be an enormous exodus from Syria. We call

:49:53. > :49:58.on this Syrian government to stop this. At the United Nations, we are

:49:58. > :50:04.seeking to get a resolution to put further pressure on the regime.

:50:04. > :50:09.are still at the ratio -- up at this stage of resolutions but no

:50:09. > :50:13.leverage when it comes to Assad, different to Libya. But it is

:50:13. > :50:18.totally different from the situation in Libya because the Arab

:50:18. > :50:24.world which was unanimous on the subject of Gaddafi is not so on its

:50:24. > :50:28.area. This is the art of the possible, we do what they can. The

:50:28. > :50:34.British Foreign Office has been extremely effective at the United

:50:35. > :50:39.Nations, using humanitarian support to try to help in what is a brittle

:50:39. > :50:44.and difficult situation. You were in Libya a few days ago with the

:50:45. > :50:51.Foreign Secretary. There is clearly still difficult humanitarian areas

:50:51. > :50:56.around Misrata and Benghazi. Another attack overnight by

:50:56. > :51:03.Gaddafi's forces. Are civilians in those areas relatively speaking now

:51:03. > :51:08.safe? Did it that bit of the job has been done to Secure Benghazi?

:51:08. > :51:13.We have been successful in terms of getting food and medicine within

:51:13. > :51:18.Libya to the people who are at great risk. Britain was a strong

:51:18. > :51:24.supporter it in Misrata, not least in taking from the quayside

:51:24. > :51:28.thousands of poor migrant workers who were being shelled by Gaddafi.

:51:28. > :51:34.Britain said we would help to remove them. On the borders were

:51:34. > :51:37.900,000 people have fled across into Egypt and Tunisia, Britain was

:51:37. > :51:42.one of the first countries to get there with shelter and to get

:51:42. > :51:47.people away from the borders. That prompt action has stopped a

:51:47. > :51:52.religious school crisis on the border turning into a serious

:51:52. > :52:00.humanitarian emergency. Today there are less than 5,000 people on the

:52:00. > :52:06.borders. In terms of Misrata, it is clear there was an offensive by the

:52:06. > :52:11.Gaddafi militia, firing on Misrata. Most of the shells fell short of

:52:11. > :52:16.the city. But more than 30 people were killed or wounded yesterday in

:52:16. > :52:20.Misrata. On to the subject of aid, you were the only minister who has

:52:20. > :52:23.a substantial increase in his Budget to look forward to. Plenty

:52:24. > :52:28.of your colleagues on the backbenches in particular and some

:52:28. > :52:33.on the front bench feel that this is not fair. So many people in

:52:33. > :52:38.Britain are still not getting a good education, unable to find work,

:52:38. > :52:42.in genuine poverty, that a government in times which are tied

:52:42. > :52:46.should be looking first at the people at home. I think it was

:52:46. > :52:52.absolutely right of the coalition to say in the early days we would

:52:52. > :52:58.not balance the books on the backs of the poorest people in the planet.

:52:58. > :53:02.This Budget is morally right to do so, we live in an unequal word of

:53:02. > :53:07.great discrepancies, poverty far worse than anything we see today in

:53:08. > :53:12.Britain or in most of Europe. The fat in it southern sudan, a new

:53:12. > :53:17.state, will burst on the world on July night, a girl born there today

:53:17. > :53:22.has more chance of dying in childbirth if she has a baby than

:53:22. > :53:27.of completing primary-school education. It is morally right. It

:53:27. > :53:32.is in Britain's national interest. We do not protect as a duty only by

:53:32. > :53:37.guns but by training the police in Afghanistan, getting goals into

:53:37. > :53:42.school, building up governance structures. You mention Afghanistan

:53:42. > :53:48.and Ethiopia, what about India where they have enough money for a

:53:48. > :53:52.large nuclear force, enough money to put a satellite into space. But

:53:52. > :53:56.they're not spending the money on their poor people, why should we

:53:56. > :54:03.step in? They are. We made tough decisions when they came into

:54:03. > :54:09.office. We stopped aid to China and to Russia. We have frozen the

:54:09. > :54:13.Indian programme. Since the war, it is not Britain's largest programme

:54:13. > :54:17.for the first time. We have focused on the poorest people in India.

:54:17. > :54:22.India is a place where there are more poor people then the whole of

:54:22. > :54:27.sub-Saharan Africa. Britain's programme today is demonstrative,

:54:27. > :54:31.it shows how we can get more people into school, more healthcare to

:54:31. > :54:36.women. These programmes are massively scaled up by the Indian

:54:36. > :54:42.tax payer. British know-how is making a huge contribution. Now is

:54:42. > :54:45.not the time to stop the programme in India. It is part of a much

:54:45. > :54:51.wider partnership that was greatly reinvigorated by the premise that

:54:51. > :54:56.in his visit last year. When you talk about Britain being an aide

:54:56. > :55:01.superpower, that irritated colleagues. I said a development

:55:01. > :55:06.superpower. What I meant, just as America is a military superpower,

:55:06. > :55:11.because of the Brent things Britain is doing in the poorest places in

:55:11. > :55:16.the world, saving lives. I don't know if you have visited one of

:55:16. > :55:21.these awful malnutrition clinics in a hospital in a country like Uganda

:55:21. > :55:31.and seen children half the size of ours at the age of two. We can have

:55:31. > :55:32.

:55:32. > :55:36.a huge impact. One final thing, would it not be better actually to

:55:36. > :55:43.take that budget and hand it to the leading NGOs, why does it have to

:55:43. > :55:47.be done by government? NGOs which do brilliant stuff all around the

:55:47. > :55:52.world have a role to play. In the end, the approach the coalition

:55:52. > :55:57.government has is to go with what works. We deployed taxpayers' money

:55:57. > :56:00.so every pound delivers 100 pairs of development on the ground.

:56:00. > :56:03.Sometimes it is the NGOs which do that.

:56:03. > :56:06.Now over to Susanna for the news headlines.

:56:06. > :56:08.The United States has accused Syria of creating a "humanitarian crisis"

:56:08. > :56:11.with its crackdown on anti- government protests. Turkish

:56:12. > :56:15.officials say more than 4,000 Syrians have fled across the border

:56:15. > :56:18.to escape the violence. Refugees claim helicopters and tanks were

:56:19. > :56:28.used to attack people. Makeshift refugee camps have been set up in

:56:29. > :56:29.

:56:30. > :56:34.southern Turkey. The IMF says it is investigating is

:56:34. > :56:39.enough good attack on its computer network. The IMF holds says did

:56:39. > :56:43.economic data about many countries. The attack has been described as

:56:43. > :56:47.large and sophisticated and is thought to be related to an

:56:48. > :56:55.unidentified government. That's all from me for now. The next news on

:56:56. > :57:03.BBC1 is at 11am. Andrew Mitchell is still here. And we welcome back Ann

:57:03. > :57:09.Treneman and Kevin Rudd. I mentioned Australian politics was

:57:09. > :57:15.brutal. Straight out of Shakespeare. We have made she spent at her here

:57:16. > :57:19.already. Any lessons for British politics? I have a slightly

:57:19. > :57:24.different take. I know the brothers Miliband well. For more than a

:57:24. > :57:29.decade. Here in Britain you have actually got a couple of

:57:29. > :57:34.significant resources. They are both highly intelligent. Value

:57:34. > :57:37.driven politicians who I have known for a long time. But second point

:57:37. > :57:41.is, being Leader of the Opposition, and there have been that as well,

:57:41. > :57:45.it is the most awful job in the Western parliamentary system.

:57:45. > :57:51.Everyone would agree with that. I have been to the Australian

:57:51. > :57:56.Parliament. They are much more brutal than we are. A blood sport.

:57:56. > :58:02.A blood sport in our Parliament to be fair. Your Question Time is

:58:02. > :58:09.actually quite gentle. But have you seen there's? Equally violent but

:58:09. > :58:13.the Brits do it by euphemism, we are not given to euphemisms. Ann,

:58:13. > :58:19.you need to get a bit of sketching down there with even more extreme

:58:19. > :58:28.language. The problems in opposition are familiar, your party

:58:29. > :58:31.went through the same. Labour has a different problem. We have huge

:58:31. > :58:38.economic difficulties which we are wrestling with and Labour did not

:58:38. > :58:42.have a plan for the billions of cuts they have pencilled in. Until