:00:37. > :00:42.Good morning. There has been a lot in the papers about a certain
:00:42. > :00:48.prospective bride, and the scathing criticism she received by e-mail
:00:48. > :00:52.from her prospective stepmother in law, who told her her behaviour was
:00:52. > :00:56.staggering in its uncouthness and lack of grace, and that she had
:00:56. > :01:05.behaved so badly, that she had left the family dog depressed and
:01:05. > :01:08.anxious. But I'm slightly with Bomber, I have to say. The motto is
:01:08. > :01:16.nec Habeo, nec careo, nec curo, which translates as, I have not, I
:01:16. > :01:26.lack not, I care not. This story I suspect is not over yet. Joining me
:01:26. > :01:27.
:01:28. > :01:33.today for our review of the papers is the Labour peer Helena Kennedy,
:01:33. > :01:37.Chris Blackhurst and Rupert Gavin. Let's kick off today with the
:01:37. > :01:40.editorial in the Sunday Telegraph which says this morning that the
:01:40. > :01:46.quality of care dispensed in Britain to old people, who are no
:01:46. > :01:48.longer able to live independently, is often abysmal. It goes on to
:01:48. > :01:54.talk about the thousands of people taken to hospital every year
:01:54. > :01:59.because of starvation or dehydration. This story of neglect
:01:59. > :02:02.ought to worry almost every family in Britain. Today, we are joined by
:02:02. > :02:05.the Health Secretary, Andrew Lansley. We have not heard a lot
:02:05. > :02:11.from him since the U-turn on the health reforms. I will be talking
:02:11. > :02:15.to him about the future of social care. Also today, the first major
:02:15. > :02:21.television interview with the man who has been appointed to oversee
:02:21. > :02:26.me - and everybody else working for the BBC. I will be asking the new
:02:26. > :02:31.chairman of the BBC Trust, Chris Patten, what sort of BBC will
:02:31. > :02:34.emerge after the most severe cuts in the history of the organisation.
:02:34. > :02:37.And American Independence Day is being marked in London tomorrow
:02:37. > :02:43.with the unveiling of a statue of Ronald Reagan, who would have been
:02:43. > :02:48.100 this year. Barack Obama is now amongst those paying tribute to the
:02:48. > :02:52.way that Ronald Reagan gave America herself confidence back. Today
:02:52. > :03:02.William will be hearing from his chief speech writer, Peggy Noonan,
:03:02. > :03:02.
:03:02. > :03:07.who gave him many of his best lines, including one in the aftermath of
:03:07. > :03:17.the space shuttle explosion. As they prepared for their journey
:03:17. > :03:17.
:03:17. > :03:27.and waved goodbye, and slipped the surly bonds off the earth to touch
:03:27. > :03:29.
:03:29. > :03:32.Talks will be taking place on the publication of the Gill Nott
:03:32. > :03:37.commission's report tomorrow, which will outline how much people should
:03:37. > :03:42.pay towards their own care. Growing old may be virtually guaranteed,
:03:42. > :03:46.but the level of care we could get is anything but. 20,000 people are
:03:47. > :03:52.thought to have to sell their homes every year to pay for it. It is a
:03:52. > :03:55.highly emotive political topic. Within 24 hours, this man will
:03:55. > :04:00.publish his recommendations on how the ageing population should be
:04:00. > :04:05.cared for in the future. He is expected to suggest a cap on
:04:05. > :04:07.payments for personal care, somewhere between �30,000 and
:04:07. > :04:17.somewhere between �30,000 and �50,000, with the idea being that
:04:17. > :04:23.
:04:23. > :04:28.With that in mind, 26 charities are urging politicians to agree on a
:04:28. > :04:33.con-trick timetable for reform. Among the requests, a plea to get
:04:33. > :04:37.together for talks, regardless of politics. Last month, the Labour
:04:37. > :04:42.leader offered to hold cross-party talks with David Cameron and Nick
:04:42. > :04:48.Clegg on the issue. Experts suggest reform could lead to insurance
:04:48. > :04:53.companies offering new schemes to cover care costs, but a cap may
:04:53. > :04:59.force the Treasury to find an extra �2 billion a year. Previous
:04:59. > :05:04.attempts to reform the system have not taken off. With 1.5 million
:05:04. > :05:08.over-85s in the UK, and that figure expected to rise further, it is a
:05:08. > :05:10.political issue which will get more and more prominent.
:05:10. > :05:14.The Prime Minister has been warned by one of his government
:05:14. > :05:19.departments that plans for benefits cuts could make 40,000 people
:05:20. > :05:26.homeless and could even cost more money than it saves. The letter was
:05:26. > :05:29.written by a senior civil servant at the Department for Communities
:05:29. > :05:33.and Local Government, and has been leaked to a Sunday newspaper.
:05:33. > :05:36.Downing Street says the letter is old.
:05:36. > :05:39.Half-a-million children in England could be at risk of developing
:05:39. > :05:42.life-threatening liver disease because they are overweight,
:05:42. > :05:48.according to one of the Government's health advisers.
:05:48. > :05:53.Professor Martin Lombard says thousands of four- to 14-year-olds
:05:53. > :05:58.could already have the early stages of fatty liver disease. It
:05:58. > :06:02.increases the risk of heart attack or stroke. David Haye has lost his
:06:02. > :06:06.world heavyweight title fight to the Ukrainian Wladimir Klitschko.
:06:06. > :06:13.They lasted 12 rounds, but the judges unanimously voted in favour
:06:13. > :06:19.of Wladimir Klitschko. More than 40,000 people had gathered in
:06:19. > :06:22.Hamburg to watch the fight. David Haye blamed the loss on his broken
:06:22. > :06:26.Haye blamed the loss on his broken baby toe.
:06:26. > :06:32.I genuinely believed I could win the fight. I have been having local
:06:32. > :06:38.anaesthetic in my toe. The whole idea was, fight night, anaesthetise
:06:38. > :06:42.it, the crowd, the adrenalin, the occasion, I will be able to ignore
:06:42. > :06:47.it. The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge will continue their tour
:06:47. > :06:50.of Canada today, in the province of Quebec. They were heckled by a
:06:50. > :06:56.small group of anti-monarchists as they toured the Children's Hospital
:06:56. > :07:00.in Montreal. Some chanted, French Quebec, others shouted, down with
:07:00. > :07:05.the monarchy. After two days of being welcomed
:07:05. > :07:08.like rock stars, this was a different but not surprising
:07:08. > :07:14.reception in French-speaking Montreal, for Canada's future king
:07:14. > :07:18.and Queen. This is a small, noisy demonstration by a radical group
:07:18. > :07:27.who want an independent state of Quebec. Two years ago, when Prince
:07:27. > :07:37.Charles was here, protesters fought with riot police.
:07:37. > :07:37.
:07:37. > :07:46.The message is that clear - William, Clear off. The protesters were
:07:46. > :07:49.vocal, but so, too, were those who had come to welcome to Royal Couple.
:07:49. > :07:55.Inside the hospital, William and Kate were meeting some of the
:07:55. > :08:02.children who were being treated here. The royals, who do not yet
:08:02. > :08:11.have servants, then got stuck in at a catering college. Montreal is
:08:11. > :08:15.known for its food. William's not known for his cooking skills.
:08:15. > :08:19.Having dined on what they had helped to cook, they boarded a
:08:19. > :08:23.frigate to sail to Quebec City, their next stop in a province which
:08:23. > :08:27.endlessly debates whether or not it wants to sever its links with the
:08:27. > :08:30.rest of Canada, and with the British crown.
:08:30. > :08:35.That's all from me for now. I will be back with the headline just
:08:35. > :08:39.before 10 o'clock. The front pages today... The
:08:39. > :08:45.observer has got a story saying the leaked letter suggests 40,000
:08:45. > :08:48.people might be made homeless by the welfare cuts. The Sunday
:08:48. > :08:57.Telegraph has Ed Miliband offering a truce to the Conservatives and
:08:57. > :09:04.Liberal Democrats in relation to care for the elderly. And Thorntons,
:09:04. > :09:08.the high street chocolate company, are closing hundreds of shops. The
:09:08. > :09:13.Sunday Times has a story about the Olympics boss being paid a secret
:09:13. > :09:19.cache. The Independent on Sunday has a special report from the Horn
:09:19. > :09:26.of Africa about the famine there, which it says has been and a
:09:26. > :09:32.reported around the world. And the Mail on Sunday is having a go at
:09:32. > :09:37.Prince Charles, saying that he has had nine meetings in 10 months with
:09:37. > :09:42.senior ministers, and he is interfering too much. Thank you all
:09:42. > :09:48.for joining us this morning. Let's start with you, Helena Kennedy.
:09:49. > :09:54.the front of the observer, there is this story about the welfare cuts,
:09:54. > :09:57.and the Ryzhkov 40,000 people being made homeless. It is an old letter,
:09:57. > :10:01.but it is one of those things where you have a policy which has not
:10:01. > :10:07.been thought through, and suddenly, the ministry starts realising what
:10:07. > :10:10.the fall-out will be. This is about the Department of Eric Pickles
:10:10. > :10:13.letting the Prime Minister know that actually, if you put a cap on
:10:13. > :10:22.welfare benefits, you will end up with a whole number of people being
:10:22. > :10:27.homeless. This is specifically housing costs? Absolutely. We
:10:27. > :10:33.always knew this was going to be an issue in the south. Absolutely,
:10:33. > :10:37.housing costs have gone through the roof. It is one of those things
:10:37. > :10:41.where this raft of cuts, they all looked great in terms of telling
:10:41. > :10:45.the public how we're going to deal with welfare scroungers and so on,
:10:45. > :10:48.but many people will be feeling the impact of this. Local councils will
:10:49. > :10:52.have to pick up the bill. It is going to be very costly, in terms
:10:53. > :10:58.of the social fabric. And yet Labour are not yet cutting through
:10:58. > :11:08.very clearly, even on the cuts issue. I think you have got a story
:11:08. > :11:14.about Ed Miliband, Chris Blackhurst... I have just read this,
:11:15. > :11:18.and it made me laugh, but then I thought, there is a really serious
:11:18. > :11:22.point. He gives the same answer five times to five different
:11:22. > :11:26.questions. You start laughing halfway through because you realise
:11:26. > :11:31.he's talking like a robot. It is the same answer, the same phrases,
:11:31. > :11:34.the same words, and you read it and you think, what is he doing? But
:11:34. > :11:38.there is a serious point, the public want the Labour leader to
:11:38. > :11:44.stand for something. If he gives the same answer five times, you
:11:44. > :11:50.wonder what is going on. problem is the headline immediately
:11:50. > :11:58.above... You have got Ed Miliband, presumably with advisers, telling
:11:58. > :12:02.him, for God's sake don't sound as if you are too pro-trade unions.
:12:02. > :12:06.You have to make sure the message is not separated out, and so he
:12:06. > :12:11.feels he has to give this standard answer, which has got to keep
:12:11. > :12:15.everybody happy, but keeps nobody happy. But the real thing is that
:12:15. > :12:19.there are still people, the old Blairites, who insist he does not
:12:19. > :12:23.do anything which is too supportive of the public sector, and they
:12:24. > :12:28.really have designs on bringing somebody else in. You would not say
:12:28. > :12:32.that things are going well at the moment? No, because I think Labour
:12:32. > :12:37.should be absolutely clear about the way these cuts will affect the
:12:37. > :12:41.fabric of our society. I think we keep talking about an ideologically
:12:41. > :12:45.driven Conservative Party which is going to shrink what government can
:12:45. > :12:48.do for all of us. It is not just the poorest, it is going to be
:12:48. > :12:56.about the lives of everybody. I think Labour have something to say
:12:56. > :13:06.on that, and they are not saying it clearly enough. Overture first
:13:06. > :13:10.
:13:10. > :13:16.story, Rupert Gavin... Quebec, we have had some protests. We have the
:13:16. > :13:22.Royal Family and Harry Potter as our key export industries. This was
:13:22. > :13:29.the Kate and Wills brand going international. I must say, I think
:13:29. > :13:36.it has gone phenomenally well, particularly for Kate. There is a
:13:36. > :13:40.good contrast in the Sunday Times between when Charles and Princess
:13:40. > :13:44.Di went there all those years ago, doing exactly the same thing,
:13:44. > :13:48.planting a tree. You can see how the Royal Family has modernised
:13:48. > :13:53.itself, because Kate, quite clearly, is better at handling a spade, and
:13:53. > :13:59.looking very glamorous at the same time. This is part of the
:13:59. > :14:05.phenomenal job being done to internationalise the Royal Family.
:14:05. > :14:11.She's coming over as a kind of every woman. She is, and apart from
:14:11. > :14:15.the boys, -- the poise, beauty and charm which she exudes, the fact is,
:14:15. > :14:23.she represents the middle classes. This is the transition. Her name is
:14:23. > :14:30.important. She is Middleton, and that is a critical clue. If
:14:30. > :14:37.Upperton, I don't think the Canadians would have gone for it.
:14:37. > :14:40.But Kate, and let's forget Catherine... I don't know why the
:14:40. > :14:46.Palace wanted to call her Kaplan, because all five Queen Catherines
:14:46. > :14:52.of this country have had a pretty troubled time. The other thing is,
:14:52. > :14:56.they together seem to like each other. They talk to each other,
:14:56. > :15:03.they have conversations. But even the Queen, you do not see how often
:15:03. > :15:09.having a conversation with the Duke of Edinburgh. Let's turn to some of
:15:09. > :15:14.the serious stuff, the economy. There's a story here, in the
:15:14. > :15:18.observer, the demand to curb casino banking, which I'm in favour of
:15:18. > :15:23.doing. But how it could split the coalition. We all remember that
:15:23. > :15:29.Vince Cable was a big critic of the way in which the banks had been
:15:29. > :15:34.working. He wanted to see a separation of retail and investment
:15:34. > :15:38.banking, back to the old way of doing things. And how that is in
:15:38. > :15:43.the interests of all of us, as taxpayers. Unfortunately, we have
:15:43. > :15:49.got this thing that, no, they will all continue as before, but there
:15:49. > :15:53.will be Chinese walls, the bankers themselves will regulate their own
:15:53. > :16:03.behaviour - well, I think we have had too much of that already. But
:16:03. > :16:04.
:16:04. > :16:12.this is likely to cause a real After what happened in the NHS, we
:16:12. > :16:18.don't know who will win these battles. Chris, you have another
:16:18. > :16:23.take on this story. Why all the banking system is still in crisis,
:16:23. > :16:26.while Greece is going up in flames, I'm afraid there is a spread on the
:16:26. > :16:31.Mail on Sunday and devoted to the Governor of the Bank of England
:16:31. > :16:36.going to Wimbledon five times. What is fantastic about this piece is
:16:36. > :16:40.that they have choreographed his pictures with all the moments in
:16:40. > :16:44.the crisis. While the Greek parliament was meeting, he was
:16:44. > :16:51.sitting in the royal box with Mike Atherton. There is one of them with
:16:51. > :16:58.his eyes closed. It gives all of the food he has been eating, tiger
:16:58. > :17:02.prawns, marinated ginger chilli sauce... To be fair to Mervyn, he
:17:03. > :17:09.is a member of the All England Club, he is entitled to do this, so why
:17:09. > :17:15.not? On the other hand, from a PR point of view... So more should
:17:15. > :17:18.have had a word. Exactly, once is enough. To be photographed five
:17:18. > :17:28.times in the same week while the world as in financial crisis, it is
:17:28. > :17:33.not good. It does not look good. One banker or ex-banker who has had
:17:33. > :17:40.a lucky escape I suspect, Dominique Strauss-Kahn. It is a fascinating
:17:41. > :17:45.story. The few weeks ago, he seemed to be down and out, yesterday's man,
:17:45. > :17:51.if one believes the reports that are being written, the case seems
:17:51. > :17:56.to be collapsing and you start to speculate can he come back? He
:17:56. > :18:01.couldn't possibly, could he? It is very challenging but I wouldn't be
:18:01. > :18:06.surprised. The French will see this as an American set-up, and he
:18:06. > :18:13.becomes the hero from being the anti-hero. If you drill down to
:18:13. > :18:23.what was going on in the hotel room, we mustn't going to too many
:18:23. > :18:30.details, but it was not pleasant. The case with Christine Keeler was
:18:30. > :18:35.the archetypal political Stander, and Jack lied about it saying there
:18:35. > :18:42.was no impropriety at all. Dominique Strauss-Kahn has not yet
:18:42. > :18:47.lied, and the politicians have learned that. We don't know that
:18:47. > :18:53.yet, do we? He has been very careful in not denying that some
:18:53. > :18:58.form of sexual encounter took place. Don't say that means he will come
:18:58. > :19:04.back, but I think she has learnt the obvious lesson. It would be a
:19:04. > :19:09.sad day for women if he comes back. That is not to say he is guilty of
:19:09. > :19:14.having raped or not, because the presumption of innocence when down
:19:14. > :19:19.the Swanee at the beginning of this and the coverage, it tells us a lot
:19:19. > :19:23.about avoiding doing what the Americans do, but for women, if he
:19:23. > :19:28.get away with this and goes back into government, what does it say
:19:28. > :19:33.to women? What it means is you can be a prostitute and still be raped,
:19:33. > :19:40.you can still be a person telling lie about your asylum and still be
:19:40. > :19:47.raped. Let's move on from the question of one person's
:19:47. > :19:52.electability to another's. In this case, Michel Bachman who is,
:19:52. > :19:58.according to the Sunday Times, scooting up the opinion polls in
:19:58. > :20:06.the United States. There is almost a profile of her hear, and I hadn't
:20:06. > :20:13.realised just... This is Sarah Palin book with knobs on. -- book
:20:13. > :20:16.with knobs on. She is incredibly right wing. She says the whole
:20:16. > :20:21.business of global warming is a hoax, she thinks having health care
:20:21. > :20:25.for the poor is a crime against democracy, she thinks President
:20:25. > :20:28.Obama is friendly with the terrorists. She is on the extreme
:20:28. > :20:34.of the right wing, and yet apparently there is every chance
:20:34. > :20:40.she might be up there. Scare me. Unbelievably scary. This is America.
:20:40. > :20:49.Let's come home again and go to the high street. Chris, you have an
:20:49. > :20:55.Independent on Sunday story. This is shocking. 300,000 shops have
:20:55. > :20:59.closed, more to close. They publish a list of the chains under threat,
:20:59. > :21:04.but what is going on here is not just recession, we have got the
:21:04. > :21:09.whole change of online shopping, out-of-town shopping centres, and
:21:09. > :21:16.all of this has happened at once. Really there is no solution to it.
:21:16. > :21:26.One might be to somehow reduce the rent the shops are paying. At the
:21:26. > :21:28.
:21:28. > :21:32.moment they can only pay up words of rent reviews. Other -- otherwise
:21:32. > :21:36.town centres are going to change forever. It is a tough time for you
:21:36. > :21:43.to be taking over a newspaper. Do you think national newspapers will
:21:43. > :21:47.be with us in 20 years' time? because we are sitting here now and
:21:47. > :21:54.we are riveted. All these stories have come from newspapers, not from
:21:54. > :21:58.Google, not from Facebook. We love newspapers. You presumably have got
:21:58. > :22:05.your own plans for the paper? How have got plans but I am not going
:22:05. > :22:10.to tell you them now. Come back and reveal all in due course. I hope so.
:22:10. > :22:19.You have chosen the Wimbledon story, but we need to touch on Harry
:22:19. > :22:23.Potter. Goodness me, it is another Independent story. Quite grim
:22:23. > :22:28.posters of Harry Potter looking scary. It is called deathly Hallows
:22:28. > :22:32.so you are not going to have a knees-up in the poster, are you?
:22:32. > :22:36.This talks about the number of children who have been encouraged
:22:36. > :22:45.to read by this Harry Potter phenomenon but I can't recall where
:22:45. > :22:49.we have seen child actors growing up. Now they are adults. We did the
:22:49. > :22:54.first premier of the Harry Potter film in November 2001, and this
:22:54. > :22:57.week we are doing the premiere of the final one. Here we are, 10
:22:57. > :23:02.years in, inevitably the child actors have transformed into young
:23:02. > :23:09.adults. And you have the longest red carpet anyone can remember in
:23:09. > :23:17.London, is that right? Yes, we have the Guinness Book of Records status
:23:17. > :23:24.for the longest red carpet. I hope it doesn't rain on your parade.
:23:24. > :23:28.Tradition is it always rains on Harry Potter premiere nights.
:23:29. > :23:31.you very much indeed. Glorious weather. Flaming June only
:23:32. > :23:34.spluttered, but July has been golden, even if most of us only
:23:35. > :23:44.glimpsed it on the telly through our fingers as we watched Andy
:23:45. > :23:46.
:23:47. > :23:52.Murray fight his annual Culloden. It is nice and simple for you this
:23:52. > :23:56.week, basically it is another fine summer's day, a bit like yesterday.
:23:56. > :24:03.There will be a lot of sunshine around, and with light winds it
:24:03. > :24:07.will feel pleasantly warm. There is some cloud floating through the
:24:07. > :24:11.Midlands, that should break up a bit. A lot of sunshine to enjoy it
:24:11. > :24:18.in the south-west of England this afternoon, real warmth in that
:24:18. > :24:21.sunshine as well. And very sunny in Wales, more cloud developing in the
:24:21. > :24:27.east of the country. More cloud coming into Northern Ireland, but
:24:27. > :24:32.still bright this afternoon. Feeling pleasantly warm, the same
:24:32. > :24:37.across most of Scotland. Might get a spot of rain, the rest of
:24:37. > :24:42.Scotland enjoying sunshine into the afternoon. Notice the sunshine near
:24:42. > :24:45.the coastal areas, that is the sea breeze coming in. The cloud
:24:45. > :24:50.developing will be inland, especially in the Midlands. Perfect
:24:50. > :24:54.weather for the tennis at Wimbledon today. Another really warm day on
:24:54. > :24:57.Monday with a lot of sunshine around, but on Tuesday we get a
:24:57. > :25:07.band of rain coming in from the West followed by sunshine and
:25:07. > :25:08.
:25:08. > :25:13.So, how we are going to pay for better care for elderly people. We
:25:13. > :25:18.are talking about basic things like help with washing, getting dressed,
:25:18. > :25:23.eating, people in their own homes or care homes - almost everybody
:25:23. > :25:27.seems to agree with the damning assessment by age UK that our
:25:27. > :25:31.system is close to collapse. Not enough money is being spent, some
:25:31. > :25:38.people are financed but many others fear they have to sell their houses
:25:38. > :25:45.to pay for basic care. Tomorrow, a report will be published about this.
:25:45. > :25:51.Right now, Andrew Lansley joins us from Cambridgeshire. Thank you for
:25:51. > :25:56.joining us this morning. Can I start right away by asking whether
:25:56. > :26:00.you also agree with Age UK that the system we have got at the moment to
:26:00. > :26:07.care for elderly people in their homes or residential homes is
:26:07. > :26:11.crumbling, close to collapse, and needs to be radically changed?
:26:11. > :26:16.know we need change in order for it to be sustainable in the future,
:26:16. > :26:20.and more to the point to deliver quality care. We knew last year
:26:20. > :26:25.when we came into office that the system of supporting people with
:26:26. > :26:29.care at home and in residential homes was in great difficulty. It
:26:29. > :26:34.is why it in the spending review at the end of last year we made
:26:34. > :26:38.substantial additional provision, a total of over �7 billion over four
:26:38. > :26:44.years additionally through the grant to local authorities and
:26:44. > :26:49.directed through the NHS. This year we are providing an extra �650
:26:49. > :26:55.million through the NHS directly to support help at home, things like
:26:55. > :26:59.home adaptations and so on. The point made his affair one - we will
:26:59. > :27:03.not be able to give people the quality of care and support and the
:27:03. > :27:07.sense of security that they need in the future unless we have changed,
:27:07. > :27:11.which is why last July as a government we asked Andrew Dilnot
:27:11. > :27:15.and his colleagues to consider these issues of how we fund care in
:27:15. > :27:20.the future. This report says innocence that most people are
:27:20. > :27:26.going to have to get out some kind of new insurance to pay for their
:27:26. > :27:29.care. People with savings will have to pay through insurance. But the
:27:29. > :27:35.big debate seems to be if the government will accept there should
:27:35. > :27:41.be a cap on how much people have to pay for their own care, at around
:27:41. > :27:48.�50,000. Can you help on that - will that happen? Of course Andrew
:27:48. > :27:52.Dilnot and his colleagues will produce their report tomorrow and I
:27:52. > :27:56.will of course first give the government's response to that of
:27:56. > :28:00.Parliament tomorrow, but I think Andrew Dilnot has set out very
:28:00. > :28:05.clearly some of the shape of what he will say and I think we are
:28:05. > :28:09.going to give it a very positive response. We are going to treat it
:28:09. > :28:15.as the basis for engagement but it is part of the overall question
:28:15. > :28:19.that needs to be answered. Andrew Dilnot's commission themselves make
:28:19. > :28:27.clear there are a range of issues within their report the need to be
:28:27. > :28:33.resolved. Where are captured be said, how it is to be paid for,
:28:33. > :28:37.issues of the thresholds for example, how means testing should
:28:37. > :28:42.apply to people in the future so they can contribute to the cost of
:28:42. > :28:47.their care, and people in residential homes, may raise the
:28:47. > :28:51.extent to which they should pay for their accommodation costs. There is
:28:52. > :28:56.a range of issues inside the report, and the big question of course,
:28:56. > :28:59.questions beyond it of how we deliver quality care, how we give
:28:59. > :29:04.people proper protection and of course how these issues are to be
:29:04. > :29:09.paid for. Quite a lot of people watching might think that, if they
:29:09. > :29:13.get into terrible trouble in their old age with very basic things like
:29:14. > :29:18.cleaning and feeding and so on, somehow the state will provide. But
:29:18. > :29:23.that is not the case and it can't be the case, can it? Simply because
:29:24. > :29:28.of the cost to the taxpayer of doing an NHS style universal
:29:29. > :29:32.service. You raise an important question because what Andrew
:29:32. > :29:36.Dilnot's research for his commission has shown very clearly
:29:36. > :29:43.is that people are very confused about what it is that is provided
:29:43. > :29:47.through care and support. Of course for those who have no income or
:29:47. > :29:52.assets of their own, the state does provide but increasingly with the
:29:52. > :29:56.financial pressures we are seeing that it is not at moderate levels
:29:56. > :30:02.of need, only when they have really substantial need. If we carry on as
:30:02. > :30:05.we are, we will have increasingly large numbers of people who are not
:30:05. > :30:09.supported to be independent and to live comfortably at home, and they
:30:10. > :30:14.are tending to fall into greater need and more cost to the state
:30:14. > :30:19.later on. I think it is important for people to remember, if one has
:30:19. > :30:23.no assets, the state is currently providing. If one needs health care,
:30:23. > :30:31.the state is providing. If people's primary need is a healthy lead,
:30:31. > :30:36.there will continue to be health care support. Just on Friday, a
:30:36. > :30:43.report was produced for me and my colleagues on palliative care, end
:30:43. > :30:47.of life care, and one of their recommendations is that where
:30:47. > :30:53.people are right at the end of life, in order to join up health and
:30:53. > :31:02.social care better, the government should take responsibility for the
:31:02. > :31:07.When it comes to the social care issues that we were talking about
:31:07. > :31:12.before, where do you stand on essentially the moral question of,
:31:12. > :31:17.where people have got assets, houses, generally speaking, having
:31:17. > :31:23.to sell those houses to pay for their care, rather than pass the
:31:23. > :31:29.value of the house down to their family? Well, of course, at the
:31:29. > :31:34.moment, we're in a situation where it is a terrible lottery. A quarter
:31:34. > :31:39.of people have effectively no substantial care costs, whereas
:31:39. > :31:47.there is another quarter where the costs exceed �60,000, and for one
:31:47. > :31:51.in 10, it is more than �100,000. So effectively it is a lottery.
:31:51. > :31:55.Through chance, some people may happen to have dementia in old age,
:31:55. > :32:01.and they end up losing everything they have worked for in life. If
:32:01. > :32:05.people are very rich, they can afford to pay. So, the focus of the
:32:05. > :32:09.question of paying for care and support in old age does come down
:32:09. > :32:13.to people who have assets, not necessarily very large amounts of
:32:13. > :32:20.assets, but things that they have worked for and saved four, and what
:32:20. > :32:26.we want to do, which Andrew Dilnot makes clear, is to make it possible
:32:26. > :32:30.for people to prepare for their contribution to costs in old age,
:32:30. > :32:33.through a partnership between the state and individuals, and for that
:32:33. > :32:39.preparation to mean that people do not have a catastrophic loss of
:32:39. > :32:46.everything they have worked for. You're not going to tell us about
:32:46. > :32:50.the cap today, so let me therefore pursue a bit further on exactly
:32:51. > :32:54.what the timing will be, and how you will approach it politically.
:32:54. > :32:57.People will be worried about whether they will have to pay more
:32:57. > :33:03.in the short term, and they will also see that the Labour leader, Ed
:33:03. > :33:11.Miliband, wants to work with you, on a cross-party consensus. The
:33:11. > :33:16.Labour Party's ideas, you guys had a really tough go at before the
:33:16. > :33:24.election. But it is this something which you can get round the table
:33:24. > :33:29.on? The first thing to say is, it is important, the reason why I
:33:29. > :33:33.cannot comment, I have not received Andrew Dilnot's report, and I will
:33:33. > :33:38.tell Parliament how we will proceed tomorrow. But it is important to
:33:38. > :33:48.recognise that there are issues in the report that the public and
:33:48. > :33:52.political parties together have a responsibility to consider. There
:33:52. > :33:58.is the wider decision on which Andrew Dilnot does not make
:33:58. > :34:02.recommendations, about how the costs are to be met. And we need to
:34:02. > :34:10.set it in a wider context. Last month, David Cameron made it clear
:34:10. > :34:18.that we would work with other parties. It is not just political
:34:18. > :34:22.parties, we have got the representatives of older people and
:34:22. > :34:28.carers' organisations as well. Let's move on to the national
:34:28. > :34:33.Health Service U-turn. Do you now think you got your original plans
:34:33. > :34:37.wrong? I do not think we got them wrong necessarily or that there was
:34:37. > :34:41.a U-turn. But what was absolutely clear in March and April was that
:34:41. > :34:45.many people had concerns, some of them may have been misplaced, but
:34:45. > :34:49.others were genuine concerns, and there were issues where people felt
:34:49. > :34:56.very strongly that there was scope to improve what we we are setting
:34:56. > :35:03.out to do in the NHS. -- what we were setting out to do. This
:35:03. > :35:07.improvement has produced... Let me just put to you the case which was
:35:07. > :35:11.being made in the House of Commons, which was that this improvement has
:35:11. > :35:17.come at the cost of a vast increase in bureaucracy. Shadow
:35:17. > :35:22.commissioning groups, authorised commissioning groups, NHS clusters,
:35:22. > :35:27.Public Health England, and, according to the Royal College of
:35:27. > :35:35.GPs, the number of statutory organisations and a your changes
:35:35. > :35:42.will rise from 163 to 521 organisations. The latter points
:35:42. > :35:49.simply is not true. I would invite you to explain how complicated the
:35:49. > :35:53.current NHS system is, and, as part of what we are proposing to do, we
:35:53. > :35:58.will be taking two Hall tears of management out. But in the process
:35:58. > :36:08.we will be using many of the existing organisations. Cancer
:36:08. > :36:12.
:36:12. > :36:17.networks currently exist, for example. Can you tell us how many
:36:17. > :36:21.statutory organisations there will be in the NHS after your changes?
:36:21. > :36:26.No, I can't, because the clinical commissioning groups which will be
:36:26. > :36:31.established across England, the number will only be determined when
:36:31. > :36:36.the local groups have come together in order to determine the best
:36:36. > :36:39.geography for delivering services in their area. It could be 200, it
:36:39. > :36:47.could be 250. The point is, they will determine that geography
:36:47. > :36:54.themselves. But we're going to take whole tears of management out. We
:36:54. > :36:58.need to cut administration in the NHS. We have reduced the number of
:36:58. > :37:04.managers in the NHS by more than 4,000 and increased the number of
:37:04. > :37:07.doctors by more than 2000. Let me ask knew about another story in the
:37:07. > :37:11.news today, the government drive against obesity. We have seen some
:37:11. > :37:15.fairly disgusting pictures of livers and other organs on our
:37:15. > :37:23.television screens this morning. Do you think it is the government's
:37:23. > :37:28.job to tell people what they should be eating? No, I think it is the
:37:28. > :37:32.Government's job to help people to lead healthier lives. That's why in
:37:32. > :37:38.the weeks ahead we will be going through a programme to support
:37:38. > :37:41.people, not lecture them, to give families the opportunity with their
:37:41. > :37:49.children to have a lot of additional physical activity during
:37:49. > :37:53.the course of the summer. And it is national obesity week coming up,
:37:53. > :37:57.and one important thing, which my colleagues are highlighting, is
:37:57. > :38:02.that people may not realise the nature of the risks if children in
:38:02. > :38:06.particular become seriously overweight. So, for example, people
:38:06. > :38:10.think of fatty liver disease as something which is a consequence of
:38:11. > :38:15.the abuse of alcohol, but actually, there are 60,010-year-olds who
:38:15. > :38:19.could be at risk of developing fatty liver disease themselves if
:38:19. > :38:24.they are too obese in the years to come. Thank you very much for
:38:24. > :38:29.joining us. He was revered by many Americans,
:38:29. > :38:32.reviled by some, but Ronald Reagan was certainly one of the most
:38:32. > :38:42.charismatic leaders of the 20th century. He remains a powerful I
:38:42. > :38:44.
:38:44. > :38:48.can for US Republicans, and even for President Obama. He has invited
:38:48. > :38:58.Ronald Reagan's widow to the White House, and even drawn comparisons
:38:58. > :39:01.
:39:01. > :39:06.between himself and Ronald Reagan. Joining me now, Ronald Reagan's
:39:06. > :39:12.most influential speech writer, Peggy Noonan. Let's start with one
:39:13. > :39:17.of the most memorable speeches the President ever made.
:39:17. > :39:20.The crew of the space shuttle Challenger honoured us by the way
:39:20. > :39:25.in which they lived their lives. We will never forget them, nor the
:39:25. > :39:29.last time we saw them, this morning, as they prepared for their journey
:39:29. > :39:39.and waved goodbye and slipped the surly bonds of earth to touch the
:39:39. > :39:41.
:39:41. > :39:44.face of God. Thank you. That was one of the very, very many moments
:39:44. > :39:48.when President Reagan was able to cut through and reach people
:39:48. > :39:53.emotionally, and you work very closely with him. I know a speech
:39:53. > :39:56.writer has to work with the politician he or she is given, but
:39:56. > :40:01.tell us a bit about that relationship. I will tell you
:40:01. > :40:05.something special about those who worked with Ronald Reagan - we
:40:05. > :40:09.never felt we were working with what we had been given. We felt we
:40:09. > :40:18.had gone to work for a man we thought authentically great. By the
:40:18. > :40:21.end of the era, we used to say, no great men are good men. But we felt
:40:21. > :40:27.there was one great exception in history, and that was Ronald Reagan,
:40:28. > :40:33.he was a good man. That speech, I should add, the day the space
:40:33. > :40:36.shuttle Challenger blew up, losing all on board, including a teacher,
:40:36. > :40:43.which upset President Reagan very much, that was the first thing he
:40:43. > :40:46.said, the President put it at the end of the speech, the beautiful
:40:46. > :40:50.words of the poet about slipping the surly bonds of earth and
:40:50. > :40:54.touching the face of God. That was quite a day in the White House but
:40:54. > :41:01.we had many such days, it was a dramatic time in history.
:41:01. > :41:06.Absolutely. There seemed to be something about Ronald Reagan's
:41:06. > :41:13.innate optimism. He reacted emotionally and directly to the
:41:13. > :41:20.politics around him, but it seems to have been that optimism which
:41:20. > :41:25.Americans today are reminiscing about. Yes, I think you're right, I
:41:25. > :41:30.think his optimism was a kind of faith. And I think his faith was in
:41:30. > :41:34.the ability - this sounds corny but it is what he believed - in the
:41:34. > :41:40.ability of the American people to turn the country around at a
:41:40. > :41:44.difficult time, and to help it and to make it better, as long as the
:41:44. > :41:51.fetters of regulation and burdens that had been given by Washington
:41:51. > :41:54.were removed. And so, he, like Mrs Thatcher, devoted himself very much
:41:55. > :42:00.to trying to remove the burdens on the American people that he felt
:42:00. > :42:04.had been imposed by a government far away, in this case Washington.
:42:04. > :42:11.It is quite interesting that President Obama clearly feels that
:42:11. > :42:14.he wants to learn from Republicans of the Ronald Reagan era. In some
:42:14. > :42:18.ways he is in the same position, the economy is in trouble, he has
:42:18. > :42:27.been hammered in the bid terms, which happened to Ronald Reagan as
:42:27. > :42:33.well. But what do you think Obama is hoping to pick up? That's a good
:42:33. > :42:39.question. In a brutal, political way, if 40% of the American people
:42:39. > :42:43.are conservative, and 40% are liberal, a President is always
:42:43. > :42:48.going for the middle. President Reagan had the middle, and still
:42:49. > :42:53.has the middle. He is remembered by a 60% of the American people as a
:42:53. > :42:58.great President. So it is never a bad idea to associate yourself with
:42:58. > :43:05.that. Of course, he's trying to draw parallels between Obama's
:43:05. > :43:08.predicament, in economics, and the predicament faced by Ronald Reagan.
:43:08. > :43:15.But the two of them are going at the predicament from different
:43:15. > :43:23.directions, which makes the parallel difficult. Watching some
:43:23. > :43:28.of those clips, I kept thinking of The West Wing, because this sense
:43:28. > :43:32.of somebody who really feels it, and finds those extraordinary words
:43:33. > :43:39.at the right moment. I know you were very involved in The West Wing
:43:39. > :43:49.- can you explain to ask what you were doing exactly? It was
:43:49. > :43:50.
:43:50. > :43:53.wonderful to work with the great Aaron Sorkin, who was the guiding
:43:53. > :43:59.light behind that show. He would call me every now and then and
:43:59. > :44:02.simply say, in a White House, if the President and press secretary
:44:02. > :44:07.are having a disagreement about education policy, how might it play
:44:07. > :44:10.out, what might be said? So, there were all sorts of things like that.
:44:10. > :44:15.I sent him many ideas, I cannot claim he used a great number of
:44:15. > :44:23.them. But it was a great show. me ask you about your party, the
:44:23. > :44:30.Republicans, at the moment. There have been all sorts of questions
:44:30. > :44:35.about who will run. So far, is there a Republican who can beat
:44:35. > :44:41.President Obama? I happen to think, I will give you an opinion which is
:44:41. > :44:48.a little apart from smart opinion... Smart opinion is that Obama will
:44:48. > :44:54.win, for various reasons, including demographics etc. I do not think he
:44:54. > :45:00.will. The way I look at it, is based is shaky, and the centre does
:45:00. > :45:04.not love him. Love is an important word here. At the height of his
:45:04. > :45:11.difficulties, George W Bush had people who would say, I cannot help
:45:11. > :45:16.but love the guy. Bill Clinton had the same. One thing you never hear
:45:16. > :45:26.about President Obama is, I cannot help but love the guy. For it is a
:45:26. > :45:27.
:45:27. > :45:37.cold admiration. I'm not sure, cool observation would be more like it,
:45:37. > :45:43.
:45:43. > :45:48.I think! One last question, about this statue - sadly Margaret
:45:48. > :45:58.Thatcher will not be going, but lots of people will be going, but
:45:58. > :46:03.
:46:03. > :46:11.it is only part of a Europe wide Yes, it has been fabulous.
:46:11. > :46:18.Residents in Hungary, Czechoslovakia, in Poland, it has
:46:19. > :46:23.been spoken of how Ronald Reagan and John Paul II all came together
:46:23. > :46:29.at the same moment in history and work together brilliantly to do
:46:29. > :46:34.things whose Majesty we actually forget. The Wall fell down, Soviet
:46:34. > :46:39.communism was defeated. It was an epic moment in history and they
:46:39. > :46:44.worked so well. Have a wonderful day tomorrow and thank you for
:46:44. > :46:50.joining us. Can I just add that everybody is invited and welcome
:46:50. > :46:55.tomorrow. It is at the US embassy in London and it would be great if
:46:55. > :46:57.Americans visiting here and English men came.
:46:57. > :47:00.Chris Patten, Lord Patten, was a cabinet minister under Margaret
:47:00. > :47:02.Thatcher, Tory party chairman under John Major, the last governor of
:47:02. > :47:08.Hong Kong, European Commissioner and Chancellor of Oxford. Now he
:47:08. > :47:11.has just taken over as chairman of the BBC Trust. The BBC is not quite
:47:11. > :47:13.as embattled an enclave of Britishness as Hong Kong was, nor
:47:13. > :47:22.of course is Rupert Murdoch's empire anything like Communist
:47:22. > :47:25.China. But with swingeing cuts, the largest in the Corporation's
:47:25. > :47:31.history, and constant criticism from its foes, the BBC does feel
:47:31. > :47:36.slightly besieged just now. Chris Patten, welcome. Your new job,
:47:36. > :47:40.chairman of the trust, some people are confused about what it means,
:47:40. > :47:46.whether you are first and foremost the cheerleader and spokesperson
:47:46. > :47:51.for the BBC in the country, or first and foremost the stern
:47:51. > :47:57.invigilator of BBC misbehaviour, people like myself. How would you
:47:57. > :48:06.characterise the balance? Getting away from the anorak language, the
:48:06. > :48:10.management goulash, I think my job as chairman of the trust is to
:48:10. > :48:16.ensure that the BBC goes on producing fantastic radio and
:48:16. > :48:19.television programmes, goes on justifying its reputation as not
:48:19. > :48:23.just the best public service broadcaster in the world but
:48:23. > :48:29.probably the best broadcaster in the world. You have only got to go
:48:29. > :48:33.to any other country and turn on the radio and television to realise
:48:33. > :48:41.how could the BBC is. Not perfect. The challenge for the BBC is what
:48:41. > :48:46.is going on in the background, the digital will -- digital revolution
:48:46. > :48:50.and the fact it has got to learn to live with a flat budget. It has got
:48:50. > :48:55.to take out a lot of costs because for the first time in living memory
:48:55. > :49:00.we have not had an increase in the licence fee. I am not grumbling
:49:00. > :49:08.about that, I hope we can pull in our belts while producing high
:49:08. > :49:13.quality programmes still. The BBC has had 17-20% cuts across the
:49:13. > :49:19.board, the great debate seems to be about whether those cuts can be
:49:19. > :49:26.salami sliced away, or whether part of the BBC empire has to be frankly
:49:26. > :49:32.surrendered. The BBC has to give up a channel or two, whatever, and
:49:32. > :49:36.pull back a bit. Where do you stand on that spectrum? There is nothing
:49:36. > :49:44.wrong with salami slicing, provided you end up with the sausage you
:49:44. > :49:49.wanted. What we are looking at at the moment is how much we can get
:49:49. > :49:53.through greater efficiency, through greater productivity, and how much
:49:53. > :49:58.will involve us stopping doing things which we would like to do
:49:58. > :50:03.but are probably a extendable. We are quite far advanced in that
:50:03. > :50:09.process at the moment. I would like ideally to be able to settle it
:50:09. > :50:13.this month. I think it may be more realistic that we can't come to an
:50:13. > :50:19.agreement with the executive until September but we will do it as soon
:50:19. > :50:23.as we can, and then consult on the proposals. You got spoken to Jeremy
:50:23. > :50:27.Hunt about speeding up the process by which the BBC could close a
:50:27. > :50:33.channel, so the possibility of closing a Channel or getting rid of
:50:33. > :50:38.something the BBC does now, perhaps online, that is a possibility?
:50:38. > :50:44.have to look at everything, but the trouble is about this process that
:50:44. > :50:48.the soon as you deal with specifics, either confirming that they are
:50:48. > :50:54.fined or not confirming they are fine, you are appearing to make a
:50:54. > :50:59.public decision about them so it is quite difficult. Looking at the
:50:59. > :51:03.relationship between the main television channels, I think we can
:51:03. > :51:08.see symmetries that we could perhaps organise rather better.
:51:08. > :51:12.Things like people have talked about just putting News 24 on to
:51:12. > :51:18.BBC Two during the day. We are filling large numbers of hours of
:51:18. > :51:22.television time at the moment. at night as well. There are a lot
:51:22. > :51:27.of ideas which have already been discussed about that, but at the
:51:27. > :51:32.end of the day, as bishops say, I think we should be able to come off
:51:32. > :51:37.with a very good public service broadcaster for 3.5 billion. One
:51:37. > :51:42.has to remember it is given to us, we do not have to raise advertising
:51:42. > :51:45.revenue. Do you think none the less there are some big things we are
:51:45. > :51:51.doing at the moment, the money might be spent on sport, Formula
:51:51. > :51:56.One, whatever it might be, in the end the BBC might not be doing?
:51:56. > :52:00.There will be some things that are very difficult to do in the long
:52:00. > :52:04.term, partly because of the walls cash from subscription television.
:52:04. > :52:13.I don't grumble about competition, but if you look at America and
:52:13. > :52:17.elsewhere, broadcasters, advertising revenue broadcaster's
:52:17. > :52:23.or public service broadcasters are being driven out of big events
:52:23. > :52:27.because of the large amount of cash subscription TV has. Talking about
:52:27. > :52:34.large amounts of cash, what is your take on the storm of criticism
:52:35. > :52:39.about BBC pay, presenters certainly but also BBC managers? I know there
:52:39. > :52:45.have been a lot of cutbacks already, but do you think there are still
:52:45. > :52:50.too many managers being paid too much? Yes, there are three aspects
:52:50. > :52:55.- first of all the overall BBC pay, and it has been slightly behind the
:52:55. > :53:00.public sector for the last three years. This year it is slightly
:53:00. > :53:05.behind Channel 4, ITV. There is second day the question of talent
:53:05. > :53:10.pay which is going down, partly for reasons that do not have reasons to
:53:10. > :53:15.do with management, but we need to be more open about how much is
:53:15. > :53:19.being paid to people overall. As I say, that is falling. The biggest
:53:19. > :53:24.issue for the public is senior executive pay because what has
:53:24. > :53:27.happened seems to fly in the face of public service ethos. There are
:53:27. > :53:32.four aspects which we will be making announcements about in the
:53:32. > :53:37.next few days. Firstly there is the pain level at the very top,
:53:37. > :53:42.secondly the number of people who get more than 150,000, that leave a
:53:42. > :53:47.number of people who are deemed to be senior managers, and falsely the
:53:47. > :53:52.whole issue of fairness across the board with senior managers getting
:53:52. > :53:57.some deals which do not apply to others. I think we can deal with
:53:57. > :54:01.all that and if we do so, we will deal with one of the most toxic
:54:01. > :54:07.reasons for the public's lack of sympathy for the BBC as an
:54:07. > :54:11.institution. It sounds to me like you are thinking of something
:54:12. > :54:18.pretty radical, in terms of the number of people paid more than the
:54:18. > :54:25.Prime Minister, shall we say. and I have been looking very
:54:25. > :54:30.closely at what will Hutton said about top pay in the public sector.
:54:30. > :54:35.This is making sure nobody at the top is paid no more than 20 times
:54:35. > :54:39.what the lowest person is paid? you look at the relationship
:54:39. > :54:43.between top pay and medium pay, and I would like the BBC to be the
:54:43. > :54:51.first organisation in the public sector which get into implementing
:54:51. > :54:57.some of his ideas. Can I just ask you about - we have seen the green
:54:57. > :55:03.light for News International to buy the rest of Skye. Sky has a much
:55:03. > :55:08.bigger revenue now than the BBC. Do you think the BBC is inevitably on
:55:08. > :55:14.a downward curve in terms of its influence and past dominance in
:55:14. > :55:19.British broadcasting? No, I don't. You started off with an analogy on
:55:19. > :55:23.hung Kong, perhaps I can reassure people I am not going to hand the
:55:23. > :55:28.BBC to the Chinese in five years' time, but I don't think the BBC
:55:28. > :55:32.should think of itself as under siege from the area and vandals. I
:55:32. > :55:40.think it is a fantastic organisation and I wanted to be
:55:40. > :55:44.more flexible, leaner, and I wanted to be self-confident and
:55:44. > :55:48.challenging, and aware of the principles on which it was founded
:55:48. > :55:54.and which are still relevant today. I think one of the amazing things
:55:54. > :55:57.about the BBC for a public service organisation is that it is at the
:55:57. > :56:03.cutting edge of technology. There is a tribute to John Birt among
:56:03. > :56:08.others. Can I ask you about universality, which is the idea the
:56:08. > :56:13.BBC has to offer something to everybody. A very successful
:56:13. > :56:18.Controller of BBC for said in his speech recently that news and
:56:19. > :56:22.current affairs were really the heart of the BBC, and that is
:56:22. > :56:27.presumably something you would agree with, but what about the fact
:56:27. > :56:32.the BBC should be doing game shows, should be doing pop-music, should
:56:32. > :56:37.be doing soaps, something literally for everybody. First of all I agree
:56:37. > :56:41.with Mark and it was a very good speech he gave at Oxford. I agree
:56:41. > :56:45.with the importance of news and journalism. The BBC is the second-
:56:45. > :56:49.largest employee of journalists after Chinese television in the
:56:49. > :56:54.world, but we also have to reach as many of the licence fee payers as
:56:54. > :57:00.possible. But reach them with programmes which are high quality,
:57:00. > :57:05.and which do not only entertain but where we can inform and educate as
:57:05. > :57:09.well. People have sometimes been very critical of BBC Three. I have
:57:09. > :57:18.watched a couple of fantastic programmes in the last few weeks on
:57:18. > :57:24.BBC Three, one on young offenders, and another on young Afghanistan.
:57:24. > :57:33.Thank you for joining us. Now over to Louise for the news headlines.
:57:33. > :57:37.Andrew Lansley has called for a partnership on the subject of
:57:37. > :57:41.health care needs to avoid them suffering a catastrophic loss of
:57:41. > :57:48.everything they have worked for in old age. He was speaking ahead of
:57:48. > :57:57.the publication tomorrow of the report from the Dilnot Commission.
:57:57. > :58:02.The next news is 1 at midday on BBC One.
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:58:15. > :58:20.burglar and a pastor who said his prayers helped raise a man from the
:58:20. > :58:24.dead. That is it from us. Join us again
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