:00:38. > :00:42.Good morning and welcome. We had planned to be at the Olympic
:00:42. > :00:47.Stadium today, but instead we are sticking with the big story of the
:00:47. > :00:51.week. More shock revelations from the Rupert Murdoch Empire and the
:00:51. > :00:55.Chipping Norton said. The columnist and broadcaster Jeremy Clarkson
:00:55. > :01:00.admits this morning that they used to drink cocktails made from
:01:00. > :01:04.crushed Socialists and talk about taking her over the BBC before
:01:04. > :01:09.Rupert Murdoch joined us on a live video feed from his private
:01:09. > :01:13.volcano's stroking a white cat. It is extremely worrying, it is just
:01:13. > :01:19.possible it is a joke. But it has been an amazing week and to talk
:01:19. > :01:23.about the fall-out I am joined for today's paper review by one of the
:01:23. > :01:27.very few people close to Rupert Murdoch, Sky News Business
:01:27. > :01:32.presenter Jeff Randall, Polly Toynbee and the former editor of
:01:32. > :01:36.the Telegraph and Evening Standard, Max Hastings. It has been a real
:01:36. > :01:40.what next week in politics. Terrible for Rupert Murdoch's
:01:40. > :01:45.newspaper and television companies while some of his rivals are
:01:46. > :01:50.gloating like mad. This is the Independent on Sunday, they take on
:01:50. > :01:53.a once famous front page about Neil Kinnock from the Sun newspaper. As
:01:53. > :01:58.a Labour calls for new laws to ensure no individual every game has
:01:58. > :02:02.so much power in Britain's media, a lot of attention is moving to the
:02:02. > :02:08.role of the police as the saga unfolds. As the Government is
:02:08. > :02:10.buffeted by a firestorm of revelations, which I joined this
:02:10. > :02:12.morning by the Deputy Prime Minister whose Lib Dem colleagues
:02:12. > :02:17.are formally asking whether the owners of BSkyB are fit and proper
:02:17. > :02:21.people to run a television company in the UK. The hottest ticket in
:02:21. > :02:24.town will be for the Commons committee room where Mr Murdoch,
:02:24. > :02:28.his son James and Rebekah Brooks will be questioned by MPs on
:02:28. > :02:32.Tuesday. The man sharing that session is the Conservative MP John
:02:32. > :02:37.Whittingdale and he is with me as well. Labour have been enjoying all
:02:37. > :02:42.of this and I will be joined by the shadow Home Secretary a debt Cooper.
:02:42. > :02:48.I wonder if she has any regrets about Labour's once cosy
:02:48. > :02:52.relationship with Rupert Murdoch. And some music, Donna Summer that
:02:52. > :03:02.is. Andrea Corr and her band are going to play as out with a
:03:02. > :03:09.
:03:09. > :03:12.wonderful cover of a great 1980s High-volume, cold morning. First,
:03:12. > :03:16.the news. The Labour leader Ed Miliband is
:03:16. > :03:21.calling for a change in the law to stop anyone proprietor from owning
:03:21. > :03:25.as many newspapers and broadcasters as Rupert Murdoch. The effect of
:03:25. > :03:28.the proposal would be to force the break-up of News International,
:03:28. > :03:32.currently under investigation for phone hacking. The company has
:03:32. > :03:35.placed another set of adverts in today's newspapers, saying it is
:03:35. > :03:40.committed to putting right what has gone wrong.
:03:40. > :03:45.He in an article in today's observe her Ed Miliband said Rupert Murdoch
:03:45. > :03:49.had too much power over public life. He said the concentration of media
:03:49. > :03:54.ownership in one person's hands was and healthier. The message from
:03:54. > :03:58.News International is in many of today's newspapers. It says there
:03:58. > :04:02.should be no place to hide from a police investigation into phone
:04:02. > :04:06.hacking. There is more pressure to bear on Metropolitan Police
:04:06. > :04:10.Commissioner Sir Paul Stephenson who has already come under fire for
:04:10. > :04:14.his close links with News International. Scotland Yard said
:04:14. > :04:18.he stayed for five weeks at a resort whilst recovering from a leg
:04:18. > :04:24.injury. The cost of accommodation and meals was paid for by the boss,
:04:24. > :04:27.a family friend. One of the PR advisers was Neil Wallace, the
:04:28. > :04:31.former News of the World Jenise questioned by police on Friday. The
:04:31. > :04:36.Met Police said the commissioner was unaware of that until yesterday.
:04:36. > :04:41.Links between the media and politicians are also under scrutiny.
:04:41. > :04:45.John Whittingdale has confirmed that former News International
:04:45. > :04:49.executive Rebekah Brooks is one of hiscontacts. She has been summoned
:04:49. > :04:56.to give evidence to the committee on Tuesday. Mr Whittingdale said he
:04:56. > :04:59.would not call her a friend. The Ministry of Defence says a
:04:59. > :05:03.soldier from the Royal Lancers has been killed while on duty in
:05:03. > :05:08.Afghanistan. His family has been informed. An army spokesman said
:05:08. > :05:12.the soldier was on a joint patrol with the Afghan National Army in
:05:12. > :05:15.Helmand Province when he was shot. An investigation is being carried
:05:15. > :05:18.out into reports that he was barred on by an Afghan National Army
:05:18. > :05:22.soldier. MPs are warning that pulling
:05:22. > :05:26.British troops out of Afghanistan prematurely could weaken remaining
:05:26. > :05:31.forces. The Commons defence committee believes David Cameron's
:05:31. > :05:35.plan to withdraw by the end of 2014 could undermine the international
:05:35. > :05:40.coalition's strategy and they are not convinced the troops in
:05:40. > :05:45.Afghanistan have sufficient helicopters.
:05:45. > :05:51.On his recent visit to Helmand, the Prime Minister again made clear he
:05:51. > :05:54.wants combat operations to finish by the end of 2014. But MPs on the
:05:54. > :05:57.defence committee have warned against withdrawing British boys
:05:58. > :06:02.are too quickly or too soon from Afghanistan, saner the withdrawal
:06:02. > :06:06.was depend on the situation on the ground, and they are not sure where
:06:06. > :06:11.their the Afghan national army and police will be ready to take over
:06:11. > :06:15.security by then. Looking back at her the mission in Helmand began in
:06:15. > :06:22.2006, the MPs expressed many concerns, among them that the MoD
:06:22. > :06:25.did not anticipate sending in British troops. They are also
:06:25. > :06:28.critical of failure to warn ministers of the dangers facing
:06:28. > :06:32.those forces when they were first deployed under Tony Blair's
:06:32. > :06:36.Government. They said that for three years British troops lacked
:06:36. > :06:42.the necessary numbers and equipment after senior commanders in the UK
:06:42. > :06:46.told the then Defence Secretary that the commanders on the ground
:06:47. > :06:51.did not have what they needed. left our troops exposed and at risk
:06:51. > :06:54.in a way that was unacceptable. That has to be put right. There has
:06:54. > :07:00.got to be better communication between the military and the
:07:00. > :07:04.politicians. The military have got to be absolutely careful not to
:07:04. > :07:09.suppress warnings from the commanders on the ground. The MPs
:07:09. > :07:12.also said they are not yet convinced that troops now in
:07:12. > :07:18.Afghanistan have enough helicopters, not least after previous this year
:07:18. > :07:22.rinses were later proved wrong. The United Nations has made the
:07:22. > :07:27.first delivery of food and medicine to drought victims in areas of
:07:27. > :07:31.Somalia after a ruling militants lifted an aid ban. It comes as the
:07:31. > :07:34.famine could be formally declared in the next week by the UN. The
:07:34. > :07:38.International Development Secretary, Andrew Mitchell, has been visiting
:07:38. > :07:42.the region and is urging other countries to do more to help. The
:07:42. > :07:46.UK has pledged �52 million in emergency aid.
:07:46. > :07:50.Tributes have been paid to the actor's Googie Withers who died
:07:51. > :07:55.aged 94. She was best known for working with Arford Hitchcock
:07:55. > :07:58.before the Second World War, but also had a successful career on
:07:58. > :08:03.television in later life. Her unusual first name was given to her
:08:03. > :08:07.by her nanny who struggle to say her real name, Georgette. That is
:08:07. > :08:13.all for now. I will be back just before 10 o'clock.
:08:13. > :08:18.We will have our regular review in a short while, but first I am
:08:18. > :08:21.joined by the Conservative MP John Whittingdale, chair of the Commons
:08:21. > :08:27.Committee on Culture and Media and he will be quizzing the Murdochs,
:08:27. > :08:31.father and son, on Tuesday and Rebekah Brooks. Famously Rebekah
:08:31. > :08:36.Brooks never gives TV interviews. But she did once talked to my
:08:36. > :08:40.predecessor David Frost in 2001. strongly believe we are on the side
:08:40. > :08:45.of the right, the public are behind us and we will continue to make
:08:45. > :08:54.sure that people understand the basis of Sarah's lock, controlled
:08:54. > :08:58.public access. That was Sarah's law, about identifying paedophiles. Now
:08:58. > :09:03.that they have accepted John Whittingdale's invitation, what can
:09:03. > :09:09.we expect on Tuesday? Will there be blood on the carpet in Boothroyd
:09:09. > :09:15.Room? They have accepted your invitation, but after quite a lot
:09:15. > :09:19.of pushing and tucking. There were some extraordinary stories that you
:09:19. > :09:27.would have gone to the extent of actually having them arrested by an
:09:27. > :09:31.officer of the House of Commons and they would have been put up in the
:09:31. > :09:35.Tower of Westminster. Is that true or is that a joke? I am not sure
:09:35. > :09:39.anyone knows because it has not been done for hundreds of years.
:09:39. > :09:43.Rebekah Brooks accepted the invitation to come to the committed.
:09:43. > :09:46.James Murdoch and Rupert Murdoch said they were both unavailable, so
:09:47. > :09:51.the committee passed a formal motion to serve a summons on them.
:09:51. > :09:53.Had they refuse to accept that, I would have gone to the House of
:09:53. > :09:57.Commons and asked for a motion to be passed by the whole house
:09:57. > :10:03.requiring them to attend. That would have been pretty much
:10:03. > :10:07.unprecedented. If they then failed to abide by that, to be honest I do
:10:07. > :10:10.not think anyone knows what would have happened next. In theory they
:10:10. > :10:15.would have been marred to the Commons and there is a little room
:10:15. > :10:20.which acts as a self. I believe there is something in the clock
:10:20. > :10:25.tower. Anyway, they are coming on Tuesday. Are they all coming
:10:26. > :10:29.together? Now the situation has changed, Rebekah Brooks is no
:10:29. > :10:32.longer an employee of News Corporation, I think we will
:10:32. > :10:37.probably want to talk to her separately from Rupert and James
:10:37. > :10:43.Murdoch. One of the things you will have to be careful about is not
:10:43. > :10:48.prejudging the judicial inquiry. Presumably one of the great
:10:48. > :10:55.questions is about this very large number of e-mails which were being
:10:55. > :10:59.held by News International's lawyers for years without being
:10:59. > :11:04.acknowledged or analysed. Is that at the heart of what you will be
:11:04. > :11:07.looking at? This is such an immensely complicated saga and
:11:07. > :11:11.there are a vast number of questions, that was certain it is
:11:11. > :11:14.one of them. We looked at all this two years ago when we had an
:11:14. > :11:19.inquiry, which is when we were assured but all of our witnesses
:11:19. > :11:23.that nobody had any involvement, it was down to one man. At that time
:11:23. > :11:27.we were told 2500 e-mails had been gone through with great care and no
:11:27. > :11:31.evidence emerged there was any involvement outside of Clive
:11:31. > :11:36.Goodman. Yes, we will certainly want to ask if that is the case had
:11:36. > :11:39.come now suddenly all of this is coming out? What would make a good
:11:39. > :11:44.day for the committee in terms of the breakthrough answers you would
:11:44. > :11:48.like to get? I think the sole purpose of the committee is to try
:11:48. > :11:53.and get closer to what actually happened and to uncover the truth.
:11:53. > :11:56.I would like and I hope there is a good chance that all three of the
:11:56. > :11:59.witnesses will come determined to do their best to help us. We
:11:59. > :12:03.understand there is an ongoing police inquiry, but that should not
:12:03. > :12:09.prevent us from learned a lot more about what went on and to
:12:09. > :12:12.authorised it. Do you think the committee was lied to us? We said
:12:12. > :12:16.in 2009 that we did not believe what what we had been told, that it
:12:16. > :12:22.was one person. We thought it was inconceivable that just one person
:12:22. > :12:26.could have been involved. What we did not know was whether or not the
:12:26. > :12:30.witnesses knew more than they were saying. Hopefully now that will
:12:30. > :12:36.become clearer. James Murdoch himself has said that Parliament
:12:36. > :12:41.was misled. Essentially he has told us that. You have got a lot of
:12:41. > :12:48.helpful advice no doubt, but also about the tone of the committee.
:12:48. > :12:52.There is presumably a lot of big egos in the room, and they will be
:12:52. > :12:56.shouting and so on, what are you going to achieve as chairman?
:12:57. > :13:01.not want us to be a lynch mob. On the other hand I do not want us to
:13:01. > :13:05.let them off without properly addressing the questions. I hope,
:13:05. > :13:10.and I am sure my colleagues will take the same you on the committee,
:13:10. > :13:13.that we will be calm and ask Batchelor, detailed questions.
:13:13. > :13:19.have got a few hours to do this, but if you do not get what you want,
:13:19. > :13:23.or you have them back again? It is far too soon to say that. We have
:13:23. > :13:28.to bear in mind there is a judicial inquiry and it will have more power
:13:28. > :13:32.and it will take much longer. The full picture will not emerge until
:13:32. > :13:36.that inquiry is complete. You have heard on the news there was a comic
:13:36. > :13:43.about you being a close friend of Rebekah Brooks, you are on her face
:13:43. > :13:46.that page. I am shocked you have a face that paid. I have 570 friends
:13:46. > :13:51.on Facebook, whether or not Rebekah Brooks is still one of them I still
:13:51. > :13:55.doubt. But you are not closely connected. I have been doing this
:13:55. > :14:00.breed in one capacity or another for 10 years. I have met almost
:14:00. > :14:06.every major figure in the media. This story appeared in the
:14:06. > :14:12.Independent on Sunday. I have met Alexander Lebedev, but he is not a
:14:12. > :14:22.friend on Facebook. Thank you very much. We are on to the papers as
:14:22. > :14:23.
:14:23. > :14:26.promised. Lots of front pages. One of the interesting themes is the
:14:26. > :14:31.papers are trying to get News of the World readers. This is the
:14:31. > :14:38.first time we have not had the News of the World to show you. The
:14:38. > :14:43.Sunday Mirror. His paper costs just 50 pence. Ashley is at it again.
:14:43. > :14:49.The Mail on Sunday, this paper costs less than �1. They are
:14:49. > :14:53.talking about Sarah's law. Now there is a different campaign. The
:14:53. > :14:59.Sunday People. It is for people like you, prayer to be independent,
:14:59. > :15:06.proud to put you first. On the other front page a very big story
:15:06. > :15:14.about the boss of the Metropolitan Police. Paul Stephenson got �12,000
:15:14. > :15:19.of help and care after he had been ill. Also a row with Gordon Brown.
:15:20. > :15:26.The Sunday Telegraph, please focus on James Murdoch's role in the
:15:26. > :15:36.cover up and much more besides, but very clever and well plugged in.
:15:36. > :15:38.
:15:38. > :15:44.And you all for joining us. Where The Observer have got a full page
:15:44. > :15:49.lead-up of questions that Rebekah Brooks, James and Rupert Murdoch
:15:49. > :15:59.should be asked. When did you become aware of the 2009 payments
:15:59. > :16:00.
:16:00. > :16:06.authorised by your son James... For example. It is strong stuff. It is
:16:06. > :16:10.open season on the Murdoch empire and obviously this is Chapter 1.
:16:10. > :16:15.has been a terrific fortnight for Ed Miliband, when you get even the
:16:15. > :16:21.Sunday Telegraph saying Ed Miliband thrives as growing storm and Golfs
:16:21. > :16:26.Cameron. It has been zero to hero coverage. He was being thoroughly
:16:26. > :16:31.trashed Until this began, and he has been ahead in the demands he
:16:31. > :16:35.has been making. Today's demand that they should be cross-party
:16:35. > :16:40.agreement on new media ownership laws, and we should go back perhaps
:16:40. > :16:46.to the laws Thatcher broke to allow Murdoch to acquire such an enormous
:16:46. > :16:56.empire. The laws they have in America, where you can't have one
:16:56. > :16:57.
:16:57. > :17:01.man as super dominant as he has become. you are one of the few
:17:01. > :17:07.people who has interviewed Rupert Murdoch at the BBC, but the Sunday
:17:07. > :17:12.Times is a good newspaper. He has built proper businesses, there is
:17:12. > :17:18.no doubt about that, and I was struck by this piece in the
:17:18. > :17:23.Observer. It is by Peter Preston, a former editor of the Guardian no
:17:23. > :17:29.less, the paper that has led the way on this story. He would have
:17:29. > :17:35.thought it would be full of bitter criticism, absolutely not. Warm,
:17:35. > :17:39.open-hearted, generous. This is Rupert Murdoch he is talking about?
:17:39. > :17:43.Exactly. There is a much truncated list of good things you could say
:17:43. > :17:49.about Rupert but it is crazy amid the grey wash of righteousness to
:17:49. > :17:54.pretend they don't exist. And he goes through them. He says Rupert
:17:54. > :17:59.has subsidised the Times, he has improved the Wall Street Journal,
:17:59. > :18:04.and created BSkyB. You think Rupert would be delighted by this,
:18:04. > :18:09.wouldn't he? Not quite because when you get to the end you can see this
:18:09. > :18:15.is about pity, and Rupert will hate being pitted, in particular by
:18:15. > :18:23.Peter Preston. In the end, he says "this is an old charismatic leader
:18:24. > :18:30.struggling to adjust in an empire full complexity". I remember as an
:18:30. > :18:34.editor of the Daily Telegraph in 1986, we all knew we would never
:18:34. > :18:39.have made the breakthrough into profitability if Rupert had not
:18:39. > :18:44.fought the battle in Wapping for the whole industry. As you have
:18:44. > :18:49.just been saying, the Times and the Sunday Times, God only knows what
:18:49. > :18:53.happens if Ed Miliband gets his way and the Empire is broken up.
:18:53. > :18:58.Everyone has known for years the Murdoch empire has been able to
:18:58. > :19:02.maintain a culture of fear which has been fundamentally unhealthy.
:19:02. > :19:06.We have all seen by ministers trembling before the power of
:19:06. > :19:11.Rupert and this is not healthy in a democracy. In it started with John
:19:11. > :19:17.Major. He said quite specifically he knew he was done for the moment
:19:17. > :19:21.Rupert Murdoch gave him the thumbs down. The whole idea was that
:19:21. > :19:26.Rupert Murdoch decided who would be prime minister. It is not
:19:26. > :19:30.necessarily true, and the analysis of how much effect it has is
:19:30. > :19:35.ambiguous, but prime ministers believed it sufficiently that they
:19:35. > :19:40.could be bullied. The extent to which David Cameron can be bullied
:19:40. > :19:45.has come out. Most shocking of all the fact emerges in the Mail on
:19:45. > :19:48.Sunday today that Rebekah Brooks told David Cameron to employed Andy
:19:48. > :19:58.Coulson so that he would be a direct conduit straight into the
:19:58. > :20:00.
:20:00. > :20:06.heart of the evil empire. It would have been a different story it
:20:06. > :20:10.otherwise. Talking of politicians trembling, many regard this as
:20:10. > :20:20.payback time. Let's face it, it has been like shooting fish in a barrel
:20:20. > :20:25.this week, having an attack on the Murdochs. Gordon Brown, as if to
:20:25. > :20:31.underline his status as a big loser, had two pot shots at the Murdochs
:20:31. > :20:37.and got it wrong with both. The fish somehow managed to swim away.
:20:37. > :20:45.First he alleged they had access to the medical files of his son, that
:20:45. > :20:52.was proven to be rubbish, then he said that they hired known
:20:52. > :20:56.criminals to look at his tax files, and that was denied today. It is a
:20:56. > :21:03.shame for Gordon when he should be getting his revenge, he has fluffed
:21:03. > :21:09.his lines again. After the criminal hacking, there he was schmoozing
:21:09. > :21:15.with Rebekah Brooks again. There is this notion that there is a tight
:21:15. > :21:22.little circle of people schmoozing and drinking, and that is where the
:21:22. > :21:32.real power is. This paper has been talking about the Chipping Norton
:21:32. > :21:36.said. I don't know if you have been to any of these parties? I remember
:21:36. > :21:40.seeing everyone on the terrace drinking Murdoch champagne, but out
:21:40. > :21:46.on the lawn 20 yards out is the prime minister with Rupert Murdoch.
:21:46. > :21:54.This went on for 45 minutes, and guests were lead over to meet them.
:21:54. > :22:03.If I had been advising David Cameron, I would have said you must
:22:03. > :22:08.be mad. I thought David Cameron was badly advised to get himself into
:22:08. > :22:18.that posture, just as he was out of his mind to go to dinner at Rebekah
:22:18. > :22:20.
:22:20. > :22:25.Brooks's home when these scandals were ongoing. They just need to
:22:25. > :22:30.show common sense, which is what has been missing. I think it has
:22:30. > :22:37.damaged him enormously. It is interesting he has been like Teflon
:22:37. > :22:41.until now but he has been profoundly unnerved, as he should.
:22:41. > :22:45.I think the police are the other really big part of this story.
:22:45. > :22:48.don't think the British public has ever had a high opinion of the
:22:48. > :22:53.media at the best of the Times, and they may be appalled and disgusted
:22:53. > :23:01.by what is going on but maybe not shocked. The police is a different
:23:01. > :23:11.kettle of fish. This Sunday Times story about the Metropolitan boss
:23:11. > :23:12.
:23:12. > :23:16.taking a freebie. There has been stories about senior officers, an
:23:16. > :23:20.alarming number, it is a dirty business and I think it is more
:23:20. > :23:26.serious than the press end of this because we need to believe the
:23:27. > :23:32.police are honest and efficient. Would you agree with that?
:23:32. > :23:36.Definitely. What surprised me is when Rebekah Brooks appeared before
:23:36. > :23:40.that select committee, several years ago now, can you remember she
:23:40. > :23:44.admitted they had paid police officers. I thought that was a
:23:44. > :23:52.damning confession. Why was that not followed up on both sides of
:23:52. > :23:58.the fence? Because everybody knows lots of newspapers did. I think she
:23:58. > :24:05.didn't even realise it was illegal. It wasn't until she got back to her
:24:05. > :24:10.lawyer's and they said to her she should rescind bit, then she said
:24:10. > :24:15.she didn't know anything about it. They thought it was just a perk of
:24:15. > :24:20.the job. This is an international story, and you have an
:24:20. > :24:24.international angle. You us, whether or not the whole Murdoch
:24:24. > :24:29.Empire survives will depend on the American shareholders and how on
:24:29. > :24:34.earth they are by the sight of this. If it turns out that one rather
:24:34. > :24:38.slender allegation that the 9/11 victims' families were hacked, he
:24:38. > :24:42.is toast and we don't know where that is going, but even without
:24:42. > :24:45.that it appears American shareholders are saying hang on,
:24:45. > :24:50.this family run business looks pretty ropey. He may lose
:24:50. > :24:56.everything. American corporate law is much tougher than in this
:24:56. > :25:00.country. Rupert Murdoch could be in big trouble. If there is one bit of
:25:01. > :25:06.evidence that somehow or either the police have been suborned in New
:25:06. > :25:10.York or victims of horror shows like 9/11 have had their phones
:25:10. > :25:15.tapped, the full weight of the liberal establishment will pour
:25:15. > :25:19.down on Murdoch and I think he will struggle to cope with that.
:25:19. > :25:25.just the liberal establishment, the Republicans will be there as well.
:25:25. > :25:30.Let's move on to other stories. were talking about international
:25:30. > :25:37.stories, there is just one I have got a mention. It is my favourite
:25:37. > :25:42.of the week. This is the cheekiest piece of journalism. On Thursday,
:25:42. > :25:48.who turns up in the Financial Times being asked to write his assessment
:25:48. > :25:53.of Rupert Murdoch? None other than Conrad Black, a convicted criminal
:25:53. > :25:59.who was about to go back to jail. There he is sitting in judgment. I
:25:59. > :26:05.thought it was fantastically cheeky. He does it with style, saying
:26:05. > :26:11."Murdoch bashing has until recently generally been a disreputable
:26:11. > :26:18.activity engaged in by the envious, the far left, and the commercially
:26:18. > :26:23.on competitive. Well that is now all over so it is open season". He
:26:23. > :26:28.finishes with a flourish, saying "Murdoch has been assiduously
:26:28. > :26:35.kissing undercarriage of the rulers of Beijing for years". We have to
:26:35. > :26:43.face the fact that most newspaper powers, if they don't start of
:26:43. > :26:48.March, they end up mad. Their roots, bizarrely, a world beyond the
:26:48. > :26:53.Murdoch empire so let's have a quick nod at that. I the British
:26:53. > :26:58.force was too weak to defeat the Taliban, say MPs. I am bound to say
:26:58. > :27:03.some of us were writing again and again in 2006 this is a doomed
:27:03. > :27:09.venture, I called it gesture strategy. They have caught up with
:27:09. > :27:13.the reality that the commitment in Helmand was ill judged. The other
:27:13. > :27:18.story is the economy, I think. Without doubt. History will look
:27:18. > :27:25.back and say here was the world teetering on the edge. The European
:27:25. > :27:32.economy in chaos, who knows which way it will go? The American
:27:32. > :27:37.economy in great doubt. A very good story in the Observer talking about
:27:37. > :27:41.how may be what is going on across Europe is just a handy alibi to
:27:41. > :27:45.cover up the extent to which George Osborne has strangled Arrow and
:27:45. > :27:54.economic recovery and made matters much worse here. I'm in danger of
:27:54. > :28:00.agreeing with folly so I must review my position on the spot she
:28:00. > :28:06.is right. While this soap opera that is the Murdoch family goes on,
:28:06. > :28:11.extraordinary things are happening in Europe. Greece is going to
:28:11. > :28:16.default, that is for sure, Ireland hangs on by a thread, and Italy has
:28:16. > :28:20.had to impose a new package of measures, 48 billion euros of
:28:20. > :28:23.austerity and that country is sliding towards the chaos we have
:28:23. > :28:33.seen in Athens and clearly Berlusconi is not the man to rescue
:28:33. > :28:38.the country. The school run story very briefly. A nice column in the
:28:38. > :28:41.Observer, should Dave and Nick Clegg be doing the school run at
:28:41. > :28:47.all? What were they doing mucking about taking the children to
:28:47. > :28:52.school? We want them to be sorted out the country. We only scratched
:28:52. > :28:57.the surface of some great Sunday newspapers. There have been so many
:28:57. > :29:03.great stories, thank you. Over to the weather. Torrential rain in
:29:03. > :29:10.London yesterday. If it rains on St Swithin's Day, it will rain for 40
:29:10. > :29:19.days, so says the legend. St Swithun's Day was Friday, July 15th,
:29:19. > :29:24.It is not set to rain non-stop for the next 40 days but it is looking
:29:24. > :29:32.pretty mixed. Today there will be rain or showers which could be
:29:32. > :29:37.heavy for most of the UK. Persistent rain at times affecting
:29:37. > :29:41.West and Scotland, Northern Ireland, northern England, later pushing
:29:41. > :29:46.into northern Wales and the Midlands. For everyone else it is a
:29:46. > :29:51.mixture of sunshine and showers. Quite cool for July, temperatures
:29:51. > :29:56.up to 20 degrees. Tonight low- pressure throws in more rain across
:29:56. > :30:00.much of Scotland, Northern Ireland and later into the Midlands and
:30:00. > :30:06.Wales as well. Mild and breezy, temperatures staying in double
:30:06. > :30:12.figures. From Monday, still a mixed picture across the UK, Western
:30:12. > :30:17.Areas more prone to seeing persistent rain. For the rest again
:30:17. > :30:27.it is deja-vu, a mixture of sunny spells and showers. A breezy and it
:30:27. > :30:36.will stay cool again, temperatures firmly fixed in the teens. That it
:30:36. > :30:39.We were discussing earlier on one group who have very serious
:30:39. > :30:44.questions to answer by the Metropolitan Police whose
:30:44. > :30:47.investigations into phone hacking was so half-hearted for so long and
:30:48. > :30:52.twos officers seem to be so closely connected to the Rupert Murdoch
:30:52. > :30:59.empire they were meant to be scrutinising. I am joined by Yvette
:31:00. > :31:03.Cooper. Good morning and welcome. Good morning. You have seen yet
:31:03. > :31:07.more allegations about police officers taking money and being
:31:07. > :31:11.very close to the Rupert Murdoch people as well. What is your
:31:11. > :31:17.assessment about the scale of the crisis by the Metropolitan Police
:31:17. > :31:20.this morning. We have got a drip, drip now of allegations and
:31:20. > :31:25.information that raises serious questions. I have been calling for
:31:25. > :31:28.some time for full disclosure from the Metropolitan Police, for them
:31:28. > :31:33.to be open and transparent about all of their links with News of the
:31:33. > :31:37.World. I think they should do that, they should have done so already.
:31:37. > :31:43.The trip means there is a cloud created over the Metropolitan
:31:43. > :31:46.Police because of this. I think both the leadership and the Home
:31:46. > :31:50.Secretary need to take some action now to make sure you can resolve
:31:50. > :31:54.this for the future. You cannot have this sort of thing tarnishing
:31:54. > :31:59.the reputation of the Met. Do you think Sir Paul Stephenson is now
:31:59. > :32:04.fatally damaged? I think he needs to act now to restore confidence in
:32:04. > :32:07.the leadership of the Met. That includes full disclosure,
:32:07. > :32:11.recognising mistakes that have been made and setting out action for the
:32:11. > :32:16.future. I hope he can do that. But I also think the Home Secretary
:32:16. > :32:20.needs to do that as well. This is partly her responsibility, what the
:32:20. > :32:23.confidence is in British policing. She should be demanding for
:32:23. > :32:27.disclosure and she should be setting out what action the Met
:32:27. > :32:30.knees to take to restore that confidence. At the moment she is
:32:30. > :32:35.saying all of this can wait until the judicial inquiry. It cannot
:32:35. > :32:39.possibly wait for what could be years for conclusions from the
:32:39. > :32:43.judicial inquiry. We need is to be resolved now so that police
:32:43. > :32:47.officers across the country can get on with their job without their
:32:47. > :32:53.reputation being affected. This is a difficult situation because the
:32:53. > :32:56.people running the Met are responsible for huge issues, the
:32:56. > :33:02.anti-terrorism affairs, the future of the policing of the Olympics,
:33:02. > :33:07.never mind the day-to-day running of law and order around London. We
:33:07. > :33:13.now have a group of people who are being got at day after day in the
:33:13. > :33:20.newspapers with serious allegations. We both need them, or people like
:33:20. > :33:24.them, and yet they are all in deep trouble, aren't they? The important
:33:24. > :33:30.thing is you have got to have confidence in the way policing is
:33:30. > :33:33.taking place. There has got to be public respect for policing as well.
:33:33. > :33:37.I've been Sir Paul Stephenson has been doing a good job in fighting
:33:37. > :33:41.crime in London, but he needs to act on this now, but so too does
:33:41. > :33:44.the Home Secretary. She needs to demonstrate it she has got full
:33:44. > :33:49.disclosure and full answers to these questions which we have not
:33:49. > :33:53.yet seen publicly. And also that she has continued confidence in the
:33:53. > :34:01.Met, but if so she needs to say so and not simply hide and wait for
:34:01. > :34:05.this to go away. For example, the question about the Met taking on
:34:05. > :34:11.Neil Wallace, the deputy editor of the News of the World, that is a
:34:11. > :34:16.very questionable employment judgment. There are important to
:34:16. > :34:20.answer these questions, but it is important about Downing Street
:34:20. > :34:26.employing the editor of the News of the World. The Home Secretary is
:34:26. > :34:30.not pursuing this, I hope it is not because she is reticent because the
:34:30. > :34:34.same cloud hangs over Downing Street as well. Surely the
:34:34. > :34:42.difference is that Neil was's employment was generally not know
:34:42. > :34:47.it either by politicians or buy anybody else at the time? We have
:34:47. > :34:52.got that allegations about the resort, again involving the same
:34:53. > :34:56.individual. What is your view about that? You are right, transparency
:34:56. > :35:02.is at the heart of that, but we do not have transparency Bonn the
:35:02. > :35:05.Prime Minister and what security checks that he did on taking on
:35:05. > :35:10.Andy Coulson, just as we do not have those answers from the Met
:35:10. > :35:15.about Neil Wallace. I do think there are still questions for
:35:15. > :35:18.Downing Street. On the issue of the stories in the front page of the
:35:18. > :35:21.Sunday Times, we have not had answers on that one. That looks
:35:21. > :35:26.like a separate issue from the questions about hacking, but we do
:35:26. > :35:30.not know the answers yet. What is important you have the full
:35:30. > :35:33.disclosure, you have the full information, but I have not seen
:35:33. > :35:37.the answers to those questions, but I think the Home Secretary should
:35:37. > :35:41.have made sure that she has seen the answers to the questions. She
:35:41. > :35:45.cannot just leave this to the judicial enquiry. She needs to make
:35:45. > :35:50.sure we can all have confidence in the work the Met is doing. Labour
:35:50. > :35:57.is having a good campaign so far or all of this and yet there was
:35:57. > :36:01.nobody who was closer and keener to sell Cup to Rupert Murdoch and his
:36:01. > :36:05.editors in the old days then you former boss Gordon Brown, you
:36:05. > :36:12.former leader Tony Blair. Any thoughts about Labour's
:36:12. > :36:17.embarrassment about getting so close to people you are now
:36:17. > :36:22.castigating and excoriating? Miliband has said there should have
:36:22. > :36:26.been stronger questioning in the past. The relationship between the
:36:26. > :36:31.press and politics, as well as the relationship between the press and
:36:31. > :36:35.the plays, is one which should have exposed earlier. That is why it is
:36:35. > :36:37.right that Ed Miliband has now been talking about the importance of
:36:37. > :36:44.addressing this cross-media ownership issue that was not dealt
:36:44. > :36:48.with, was not talked about, before. He is right to say we should have
:36:49. > :36:53.stronger controls on cross-media ownership. That is what we will be
:36:53. > :36:55.put into the judicial inquiry. We should not have those sorts of
:36:55. > :37:00.concentrations of media power and we have to learn lessons from what
:37:00. > :37:05.has happened, not simply have two wakes up outrage when we do not
:37:05. > :37:09.take action for the future. I used uprise Andy Coulson was invited to
:37:09. > :37:13.Chequers after he left the employment of Number 10? Very
:37:13. > :37:19.surprised. It raises further questions about the judgment of the
:37:19. > :37:23.prime minister, we know he was warned against taking on Andy
:37:24. > :37:28.Coulson and taking him into Downing Street by a whole series of very
:37:28. > :37:32.senior people, including the Lib Dems, including in the media and
:37:32. > :37:36.the newspapers. He chose to do so and he has chosen to continue that
:37:36. > :37:42.connection sense. It raises questions about what they discuss,
:37:42. > :37:46.just as it raises questions about what was discussed at BSkyB and the
:37:46. > :37:50.continued contact with News International as well. Any friendly
:37:50. > :37:54.advice for Gordon Brown whose intervention was scarcely helpful.
:37:54. > :37:58.He is clearly angry about all sorts of things, and yet he seems to be
:37:58. > :38:03.made the allegations which are either impossible to substantiate
:38:03. > :38:07.or he has not be able to substantiate. I have not seen the
:38:07. > :38:10.information Gordon Brown says he has one of these things. I do know
:38:10. > :38:16.that for him and for the whole family it was very distressing to
:38:16. > :38:20.have to deal with the things that were being said and being written
:38:20. > :38:25.in the newspapers about the health of their son. I think that did
:38:25. > :38:29.cause great distress for them and he has talked about information he
:38:29. > :38:32.has and I have not seen that, but these are the reasons why we need
:38:32. > :38:36.this judicial inquiry to get to the bottom of all of that. Yvette
:38:36. > :38:39.Cooper, thank you very much for joining us.
:38:40. > :38:44.It has been a foundation shaking time for the Rupert Murdoch empire,
:38:44. > :38:49.but the scandal has also sent shock waves to the rest of the
:38:49. > :38:54.establishment. I am joined by the Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg.
:38:54. > :38:57.Welcome. Can I start with the business of cross-media ownership?
:38:57. > :39:02.A lot of people, not just in the Labour Party, are saying this is
:39:02. > :39:07.the moment where we should ensure that nobody ever again is quite so
:39:07. > :39:12.Dominic in the media world in this country. What is your view of that?
:39:12. > :39:16.I think it is undoubtedly true that when you give up one individual, or
:39:16. > :39:21.a small number of people, a huge amount of power without proper
:39:21. > :39:25.accountability, things go wrong. That has happened here as it does
:39:25. > :39:30.in other walks of life. We need to look again in the round at the
:39:30. > :39:35.plurality rules to make sure there is proper plurality in the British
:39:35. > :39:40.press. A healthy press is a diverse one, where you have got lots of
:39:40. > :39:44.different organisations competing. That is what we need. But even if
:39:44. > :39:48.you get the plurality rules right, which I hope we do, and we have
:39:49. > :39:52.been calling for it for years, none of that will matter an issue also
:39:52. > :39:56.hold people to account in the media. At the moment you have the
:39:56. > :39:59.ludicrous situation where you have editors of national newspapers who
:40:00. > :40:04.make or break the reputation of innocent individuals in the blink
:40:04. > :40:14.of an eye, and yet they themselves are not held independently to
:40:14. > :40:18.account. It is even worse. If anything goes wrong, the editors
:40:18. > :40:22.decide how things in the press should be pleased. In no other walk
:40:22. > :40:27.of life do you have people acting as judge and jury. That needs to
:40:27. > :40:32.stop and change. Let me be clear about the plurality issue. It would
:40:32. > :40:35.have to be enshrined in legislation. Would you be prepared and be
:40:35. > :40:42.sitting down with Ed Miliband who has called for the same sort of
:40:42. > :40:48.thing? As I say, my party has been calling for a long time for a
:40:48. > :40:53.change. Are you happy to sit with people? I am very happy to sit with
:40:53. > :40:58.people. The inquiry we have set up will produce ideas about what we
:40:58. > :41:02.should do. If we can act on it on a cross-party basis, as we did last
:41:02. > :41:06.week in the house of Commons, all the better. Let me give you one
:41:06. > :41:10.specific proposal. At the moment you can only apply this test of
:41:10. > :41:15.plurality, whether there is enough diversity, when you have a business
:41:15. > :41:19.transaction when you have got to examine. I do not see why that test
:41:19. > :41:24.is not applied all the time. There might be changes in the way the
:41:24. > :41:28.media operates whereby one operation gets bigger. At the
:41:28. > :41:32.moment the plurality test cannot be applied in those circumstances.
:41:32. > :41:37.That presumably would mean if a newspaper became more successful
:41:37. > :41:41.because it was a good newspaper, it could suddenly be too successful.
:41:41. > :41:44.The main focus is cross-media ownership and with the new media
:41:44. > :41:50.that are growing up and developing that is what you need to look at.
:41:50. > :41:53.That is what the inquiry will do. But the point I am trying to make
:41:53. > :41:58.is whether it is the plurality tests or the fitness test, it is
:41:58. > :42:03.being applied in a very snapshot way. We need to look at the way in
:42:03. > :42:06.which concentrations of power might evolve over time. I think a lot of
:42:06. > :42:11.good can come out of this if we are brave enough to look at the rules
:42:11. > :42:16.on competition and plurality and who is fit and proper to run our
:42:16. > :42:19.media organisations. To allow the inquiry independently to make
:42:19. > :42:25.recommendations, because you do not want politicians to be in charge
:42:25. > :42:29.entirely. What about foreign ownership? The Americans have got
:42:29. > :42:33.very strong rules about people who can control their media. We do not
:42:33. > :42:37.and we do not even have strong rules about whether people have to
:42:37. > :42:42.pay taxes on that. I think Rupert Murdoch is a US citizen because he
:42:42. > :42:47.needed to become a US citizen in order to own Fox News. I think this
:42:47. > :42:52.is a complex area because you cannot impose those nationality
:42:52. > :42:57.rules within the European Union. It is a complex area. Of course it is
:42:57. > :43:04.a legitimate area we should look at, but this key thing of plurality,
:43:04. > :43:09.diversity and accountability so you have independent regulation, not
:43:09. > :43:12.regulation which is in the gift of politicians. I do not want to live
:43:12. > :43:19.in a country where politicians Bill comfortable with the press, that
:43:19. > :43:23.would be a disaster. But that is very difficult. You are taking a
:43:23. > :43:27.different line from Ed Miliband he says he wants a continuation of
:43:27. > :43:32.self regulation. You are saying it should be statutory regulation. A
:43:32. > :43:35.lot of people cannot see how you can have a statutory system that is
:43:35. > :43:42.properly outside the purview of politicians, that politicians
:43:42. > :43:44.cannot get at. Every time there has been a crisis in different pillars
:43:44. > :43:48.of the established but the response sensibly has been to give more
:43:48. > :43:53.power to people who are independent of those people who have got into
:43:53. > :43:57.trouble. When the MPs got into trouble, the response was to take
:43:57. > :44:02.all responsibility for their pay and expenses out of their hands
:44:02. > :44:07.into an independent body. What has been the response after the banking
:44:07. > :44:10.crisis? Independent regulators are given more power. I do not see why
:44:10. > :44:15.the press should be unique in having a so-called ethics committee
:44:15. > :44:20.overseeing had the code of conduct for editors works. The only people
:44:20. > :44:24.on it are editors of newspapers. In no other walk of life would you
:44:24. > :44:27.have people acting as judge and jury for their own mistakes.
:44:27. > :44:30.have talked about politicians and the press, but we have not talked
:44:30. > :44:34.about the police. There is a perception that the police have
:44:34. > :44:41.been on the take from the bottom to the top. Are you worried about
:44:41. > :44:44.this? I am incredibly worried. From the public's point of view, the
:44:44. > :44:49.fact that their cynicism in politicians and the press might
:44:49. > :44:52.have deepened is not entirely surprising. I think when that
:44:52. > :44:56.public stats losing faith in the police it is much more serious and
:44:57. > :45:01.we are in some trouble. That is why I think it is very important the
:45:01. > :45:05.commission should answer the questions that have been put to
:45:05. > :45:13.them and answer the questions very fully. You mean Sir Paul Stephens
:45:13. > :45:16.and. Yes. You think his position is tenable still? I am not going to
:45:17. > :45:21.judge them now until they have given the reassurances and the
:45:21. > :45:31.answers to the questions that have been put to them. The questions
:45:31. > :45:31.
:45:31. > :45:39.need to be answered very fully and The coalition has had a rough week,
:45:39. > :45:44.a rough few weeks on this. Yes, the Liberal Democrats were protesting
:45:44. > :45:49.about Rupert Murdoch in the old days, partly because you were too
:45:49. > :45:54.small a party for them to court, I suspect! How uncomfortable are you
:45:54. > :45:59.with the way David Cameron has behaved around Andy Coulson? Did
:45:59. > :46:03.you say to him yourself you should not employed this man?
:46:03. > :46:08.anxieties as a party about the hacking allegations, Andy Coulson
:46:08. > :46:13.and so on, we made them publicly before the election. Nobody should
:46:13. > :46:17.be surprised we came at this from different standpoints. The Prime
:46:17. > :46:25.Minister has explained why he gave Andy Coulson what he calls a second
:46:26. > :46:32.chance. We did discuss it, of course we did. Did you say to him...
:46:32. > :46:38.If you don't mind, I am not going to give you a word-for-word account.
:46:38. > :46:44.It was an issue we raised publicly before. Ray used by you? Of course,
:46:44. > :46:48.David Cameron and myself spoke about it. At the end of the day, it
:46:48. > :46:52.was his appointment, he has explained the reasons why he made
:46:52. > :46:57.that appointment. And you got the impression he wasn't going to
:46:57. > :47:01.flinch on this matter, it was personal and he wasn't going to
:47:01. > :47:08.change? He explained why he did it and the circumstances in which he
:47:08. > :47:13.did it. Vince Cable lost a large part of his job for saying he was
:47:13. > :47:18.going to war on Murdoch and he must now feel vindicated and you must
:47:18. > :47:23.ask yourself why he was booted out of that part of his role. I don't
:47:23. > :47:31.think it is down to the feelings of any one politician. This is down to
:47:31. > :47:38.a crisis in public confidence. We have the banking crisis, a total
:47:38. > :47:43.collapse of basic decency in the way the press conduct themselves,
:47:43. > :47:46.and we need to make sure we get something good coming up out of all
:47:46. > :47:53.this would create greater distance between politicians and the press,
:47:53. > :47:58.and make sure we have a healthy, free, plural, accountable press.
:47:58. > :48:02.you think you had enough influence at the early stage in the coalition,
:48:02. > :48:07.thinking of Andy Coulson, the NHS and many other issues, where you
:48:07. > :48:11.seemed to have a deal which looked relatively equitable and yet as
:48:11. > :48:17.things have turned out, your party has been brushed to one side?
:48:17. > :48:22.don't agree. If you look at things that have happened in this country,
:48:22. > :48:25.whether it is taking over a million people out of paying income tax
:48:25. > :48:31.altogether, whether it is more money to children from
:48:31. > :48:35.disadvantaged backgrounds, you entitlement to young toddlers from
:48:35. > :48:38.three childcare, sweeping away a barrage of legislation which eroded
:48:38. > :48:46.civil liberties, renewing and refreshing the way we do politics,
:48:46. > :48:51.these things are Liberal Democrats. Some people say either Lib Dems
:48:51. > :48:55.have too much influence or the Conservatives do, that is the
:48:55. > :48:59.nature of coalition. Do you think the last two weeks has changed the
:48:59. > :49:04.nature of the coalition? He it has changed fundamentally the way in
:49:04. > :49:08.which the political class and the media class Interact, and hopefully
:49:08. > :49:12.it will create greater accountability. You are charmingly
:49:12. > :49:19.not answering the question I asked, which was what about relationships
:49:19. > :49:24.inside the coalition? Relationships evolve all the time. Have the last
:49:24. > :49:30.few weeks changed it? A sharp spotlight has been cast on a very
:49:30. > :49:37.murky part of the Establishment, interactions between the
:49:37. > :49:42.establishment, the press and the police. This will have been
:49:42. > :49:47.improved because of events over the last two weeks. From where you are
:49:47. > :49:53.standing, those relationships, the Conservative Party, Rebekah Brooks,
:49:53. > :49:58.the Murdochs, the Labour Party, Rebekah Brooks, the Murdochs, that
:49:59. > :50:05.was unhealthy, it had to change? have always been a staunch critic
:50:06. > :50:10.of the tendency of Labour and Conservative to constantly fall to
:50:10. > :50:15.their knees obsequiously towards very powerful vested interests in
:50:15. > :50:20.the media. That I hope will change. If anyone had doubt about the
:50:20. > :50:24.fundamental judgment of this coalition government to deal with
:50:24. > :50:29.another of the crisis, namely the crisis in our public finances, look
:50:29. > :50:33.at what is happening across the Channel. This is very important,
:50:33. > :50:38.look at what is happening in the United States about wrangling on
:50:38. > :50:43.the debt ceiling. I wish it was otherwise, but surely there can be
:50:43. > :50:47.no one left now who agrees the fundamental decision, the biggest
:50:47. > :50:54.decision this coalition took, that we needed to Yank this country back
:50:54. > :50:57.from the precipice and into an area of greater economic safety. If the
:50:57. > :51:03.Murdoch story happened, we would be talking about nothing apart from
:51:03. > :51:07.what is going on in the euro-zone and America. How worried are you
:51:07. > :51:12.that we are on the edge of another serious global financial crisis?
:51:12. > :51:17.Incredibly worried. The gravity of the uncertainty in the United
:51:17. > :51:22.States, which is a product of political gridlock, and the growing
:51:22. > :51:32.fiscal crisis in the euro-zone is immensely serious. If anyone thinks
:51:32. > :51:34.
:51:34. > :51:40.somehow we can wash our hands of it and say -- and turn our backs on it,
:51:40. > :51:44.we can't. I believe we should play an active role behind the scenes to
:51:44. > :51:49.help euro-zone members to make the reforms necessary to create a
:51:49. > :51:54.strong prosperous euro-zone in the future. It is worse than that
:51:54. > :52:04.however, is it not? The Office of budget responsibility report looks
:52:04. > :52:12.ahead to an era of 40 years of Viva considerably higher taxes or a
:52:12. > :52:19.smaller state, or both. That is why I know that although many of the
:52:19. > :52:24.decisions we have taken around popular, they have been taken to
:52:24. > :52:27.avoid long-term problems. Whether it is pensions, public services,
:52:27. > :52:32.the balance between taxing and spending, how we deal with the
:52:32. > :52:37.deficit, these are big decisions we have taken now because if you don't
:52:38. > :52:43.sort it now, our children and grandchildren will be the victim of
:52:43. > :52:47.the mistakes and the failure of this generation to sort things out.
:52:47. > :52:52.What, in essence, does Rupert Murdoch have to say to the House of
:52:52. > :52:58.Commons on Tuesday? He needs to come absolutely clean about what he
:52:58. > :53:02.knew, about what his senior executives knew, and why this
:53:02. > :53:06.culture of industrial scale corruption, so it is alleged,
:53:06. > :53:12.happened without anyone higher up taking responsibility for it.
:53:12. > :53:19.have got a kicking again in the papers today for doing the school
:53:19. > :53:23.run. Let me let you into a secret, which I suspect many fathers feel,
:53:24. > :53:33.I like being with my children and I love having the opportunity to take
:53:34. > :53:34.
:53:34. > :53:38.them on the school run. This is 2011, not 1911, and the idea that
:53:38. > :53:44.fathers can't remain dedicated his in attitude that belongs in a
:53:44. > :53:47.previous century. Thank you for joining us. Now the news headlines.
:53:47. > :53:52.A deputy prime minister has said politicians should be brave enough
:53:52. > :53:56.to look again at the rules on media ownership to ensure plurality and
:53:56. > :54:02.competition. Nick Clegg was responding to a call from Ed
:54:02. > :54:06.Miliband for a change in the law to stop any one proprietor from owning
:54:06. > :54:10.as many newspapers as Rupert Murdoch. News International is
:54:10. > :54:14.currently under investigation for phone hacking at the News of the
:54:14. > :54:17.World. The company has placed another set of adverts in this
:54:17. > :54:21.morning's newspapers saying it is committed to putting right what has
:54:21. > :54:26.gone wrong. The MoD says a soldier from the
:54:26. > :54:30.Royal Lancers has been killed in Afghanistan. His family has been
:54:30. > :54:34.informed. The soldier was on a joint patrol with the Afghan
:54:34. > :54:39.National Army in Helmand province when he was shot. In investigation
:54:39. > :54:43.is being carried out into reports he was fired on by an Afghan
:54:44. > :54:48.National Army soldier. The next news on BBC One is at
:54:48. > :54:53.midday, back to Andrew and guest in a moment but first a look at what
:54:53. > :54:58.is coming up after this show. Today, has Britain been corrupted?
:54:58. > :55:03.We will hear from a former top police officer. And we are asking a
:55:03. > :55:08.teacher turned porn star if we should shut up about sex. Are we
:55:08. > :55:12.too scared about offending Muslims? Go to the website to join the
:55:12. > :55:17.debate. Now, one of the most successful
:55:17. > :55:22.bands of the 1990s was the Irish quartet The Corrs. The siblings
:55:22. > :55:26.have gone their separate ways professionally, but Andrea has just
:55:26. > :55:36.released an album of cover songs. Recently she has been winning
:55:36. > :55:39.critical acclaim for her acting on stage in London. Welcome. This is
:55:39. > :55:44.an album which you say in the cover notes of one of your albums came
:55:44. > :55:49.from a dark place, and you almost turned away from music. What was
:55:49. > :55:55.that about? I kind of stopped doing it. I know it sounds dramatic what
:55:55. > :56:00.I said, but I just wanted to live a quiet and normal life. The producer
:56:00. > :56:06.of the record John Reynolds got in touch with me, and loved my voice,
:56:06. > :56:15.wanted to make a record together. So I did that. I was mentioning the
:56:15. > :56:20.acting, which has gone very well for you. will we see you back on
:56:20. > :56:25.stage Again? Yes, I hope to do it all my life. I really love it, I am
:56:25. > :56:29.passionate about it. Tell us about the song you are going to sing now.
:56:29. > :56:37.Most people know it as a Donna summer's song, State of
:56:37. > :56:42.Independence, and it is epic. An amazing song. We have had a lot of
:56:42. > :56:47.gloom and despair, but this is a happy song. Yes, but I think it is
:56:47. > :56:53.relevant actually. That is all we have got time for today. I am going
:56:53. > :56:56.filming so next week my colleague James Landale will be here and his
:56:57. > :57:06.guests include Dame Kelly Holmes and no doubt plenty of politicians.
:57:07. > :57:09.
:57:09. > :57:12.For now, we leave you with Andrea # State of life, may I live, may I
:57:12. > :57:16.love # coming out the sky, I name me a
:57:16. > :57:20.name # coming out silver word for what
:57:20. > :57:30.it is # it is very nature of the sound,
:57:30. > :57:42.
:57:42. > :57:46.the game Home, be the temple of your heart
:57:46. > :57:50.# home, be the body of your love # just like holy water to my lips
:57:50. > :57:53.# Yes, I do know how I survive # yes, I do know why I'm alive
:57:53. > :57:57.And be with you # day by day by day by day
:57:57. > :58:00.# Time, time again, it is said # we will hear, we will see
:58:01. > :58:04.# see it all in His wisdom hear # His truth will abound the land
:58:04. > :58:07.# this truth will abound the land # this state of independence shall
:58:07. > :58:15.# this state of independence shall # Say, yeah -e-yay, yeah-e-yo yeah-
:58:15. > :58:17.e-yay, yeah-e-yo... # Be the sound of higher love today
:58:17. > :58:21.yeah-e-yeah # Time, time again, it is said
:58:21. > :58:25.# we will hear, we will see # see it all in His wisdom hear
:58:25. > :58:28.# His truth will abound the land # this truth will abound the land