24/07/2011

:00:37. > :00:40.Hello and good morning. The week began with resignations at Scotland

:00:40. > :00:45.Yard, high drama in parliament and a Prime Minister rushing back from

:00:45. > :00:48.Africa to face his critics. But the who did what to whom and when of

:00:48. > :00:53.the phone hacking crisis has been put firmly into perspective by the

:00:53. > :00:56.bloody events on an island off the coast of Norway. I am standing in

:00:56. > :01:01.for Andrew this morning when we will ask why a young Norwegian man

:01:01. > :01:08.felt the need to murder more than 90 of his fellow countrymen.

:01:08. > :01:12.According to his lawyer, he thought it was "gruesome but necessary". As

:01:12. > :01:15.well as going live to the island of Utoeya to hear the latest news of

:01:15. > :01:19.the police operation, to find out whether the gunman was working

:01:19. > :01:23.alone and how he had been planning the attack, we will be speaking to

:01:23. > :01:27.the British foreign secretary about what the government is doing in

:01:28. > :01:37.response to the tragedy. We will also be speaking to Sir Hugh Orde,

:01:37. > :01:40.the President of the Association of Chief Police officers. With

:01:40. > :01:44.continuing uncertainty about whether the latest bail-out for

:01:44. > :01:49.Greece will get the euro-zone out of the woods, the business

:01:49. > :01:54.secretary Vince Cable is here to tell us what it means for our own

:01:54. > :02:00.economy. We last came about whether the strength of Rupert Murdoch's

:02:00. > :02:06.empire is waning. We will talk to some distinguished

:02:06. > :02:10.athletes ahead of the London Olympics, young and old. Review the

:02:10. > :02:15.papers we have the former Home Secretary Jacqui Smith, the chief

:02:15. > :02:20.of Time magazine, Catherine Meyer, and Rory Bremner. But first, the

:02:20. > :02:24.news. The man accused of carrying out

:02:24. > :02:28.Friday's mass shooting in Norway has admitted responsibility. The

:02:28. > :02:33.lawyer representing 32 year-old Anders Behring Breivik says he is

:02:33. > :02:43.describing his own actions as atrocious but necessary. 85 people

:02:43. > :02:49.died when he opened fire in Utoeya, north-west of Oslo. After the

:02:49. > :02:54.violence, the investigation into Anders Behring Breivik is widening.

:02:54. > :02:58.It is centred on two areas, firstly this remote farm he was renting

:02:58. > :03:01.where it is believed he built the bomb detonated in Oslo on Friday,

:03:01. > :03:07.tearing through government buildings and killing at least

:03:07. > :03:12.seven people. We are going through the whole farm for technical

:03:12. > :03:18.evidence, looking for everything that could be connected to the late

:03:18. > :03:22.incident. Police have found several tons of fertiliser at the farm,

:03:22. > :03:29.which is a component in home-made bombs and explosives. After the

:03:29. > :03:34.bomb went off, he drove to the island of Utoeya and murdered at

:03:34. > :03:38.least 35 people. Locals were shocked that their seemingly

:03:38. > :03:46.harmless neighbour could be harbouring such murderous plans so

:03:46. > :03:51.nearby. It is very creepy because we have a child here, and he was

:03:51. > :03:56.building bombs over there. We could have been hurt so it is not good.

:03:56. > :04:02.The killer's lawyer says he has admitted responsibility for the

:04:02. > :04:07.killings and will explain himself in court on Monday. TRANSLATION: He

:04:07. > :04:13.has said he believes the actions were atrocious, but in his head

:04:13. > :04:17.they were necessary. Away from the farm, the investigation is also

:04:17. > :04:21.considering his writings and internet postings, particularly her

:04:21. > :04:26.1500 page manifesto, a rambling internet document which Anders

:04:26. > :04:30.Behring Breivik is believed to have been working on for several years.

:04:30. > :04:35.As Norway struggles to come to terms with the tragedy, was this

:04:35. > :04:39.the work of just one deeply disturbed individual or are there

:04:39. > :04:45.others in Norway with the same hate-filled ideology and access to

:04:45. > :04:50.weapons? Let's speak to our correspondent

:04:50. > :04:54.who is near the island of Utoeya. You have been finding out more

:04:54. > :05:00.about this manifesto which Anders Behring Breivik posted on the

:05:00. > :05:08.internet? Yes, good morning. The papers here in Norway today are

:05:08. > :05:12.dominated by one image, and this is it. A young man looking down the

:05:12. > :05:17.sights of a very high-powered weapon. With it are the details of

:05:18. > :05:23.this 15 page manifesto. There are tips about how to build bombs, he

:05:23. > :05:28.speaks about when he went out to buy fertiliser. He also charts down

:05:28. > :05:33.the days towards what he is alleged to have done two days ago, but

:05:33. > :05:38.crucially you get an idea of what he is thinking. There are a lot of

:05:38. > :05:42.remarks about Marxism but also immigration and his view that

:05:42. > :05:52.Europe has become dominated by it is mummification and his target are

:05:52. > :05:57.

:05:57. > :06:02.the political classes who made it possible. -- Islamisation. Briefly,

:06:02. > :06:07.what now in terms of the rescue operation itself? Whilst I have

:06:07. > :06:12.been speaking to you, several boats have been here, and they are still

:06:12. > :06:22.looking for about five people missing. But the rescue operation

:06:22. > :06:26.is still very much going on today. Tributes has been paid to the

:06:26. > :06:31.singer Amy Winehouse who was found dead in her London home yesterday.

:06:31. > :06:35.Police have described her death as one explained. The 27 year-old

:06:35. > :06:42.singer had struggled with drug and alcohol addiction in recent years.

:06:42. > :06:47.The President of the Football Federation has said he will appeal

:06:47. > :06:54.against a lifetime ban from the sport. The first found him guilty

:06:54. > :07:02.of trying to buy votes in his bid to become President of the

:07:02. > :07:07.organisation. That is it from me for now, back to you James.

:07:07. > :07:16.On Today's front pages, obviously they are dominated by events in

:07:16. > :07:21.Norway. The Sunday Times says about the witness Testament from people

:07:21. > :07:24.who watched it going on and were hiding. The Sunday Telegraph has a

:07:24. > :07:29.picture of the alleged killer, and pictures of the victims holding up

:07:29. > :07:34.their hands at the moment he was stalking them. The Independent on

:07:34. > :07:39.Sunday has a different take, they have gone for a slightly more

:07:39. > :07:44.subtle photograph of the bodies lying on the beach covered up. The

:07:44. > :07:48.other main story of this league is the death of Amy Winehouse, and the

:07:49. > :07:55.Sunday Mirror giving it more prominence than events in Norway.

:07:55. > :08:00.Now, we have Jacqui Smith, Catherine Meyer and Rory Bremner.

:08:00. > :08:08.Welcome to you. Obviously Norway is dominating here. Catherine, have

:08:08. > :08:13.the papers covered it for you? are trying to make sense of

:08:13. > :08:20.something senseless, so you have people focusing in on small parts

:08:20. > :08:24.of the picture. The Observer has this opinion piece really from a

:08:24. > :08:29.Norwegian newspaper editor who talks about the end of innocence in

:08:29. > :08:35.Norway, who sees this as something that could be profoundly changing

:08:35. > :08:39.to Norwegian society, but in his description of Norway's innocence,

:08:39. > :08:43.what you find yourself thinking, and it is something that Telegraph

:08:43. > :08:53.deals with about the rise of the far right and the home of the Nobel

:08:53. > :08:54.

:08:54. > :08:59.Peace Prize, is that a lot of this is about the failure of society to

:08:59. > :09:03.focus on where the threat might come from. That there had been

:09:03. > :09:11.perhaps too much attention paid to the threat from Islamic terrorism

:09:11. > :09:17.and too little to the pervasive... The thing about this suspect is it

:09:17. > :09:22.seemed that he may have been a lone operator in one sense but he was

:09:22. > :09:29.nevertheless very clearly with links to far right groups and

:09:29. > :09:36.influenced by this. Do you get that sense, too, that somehow the focus

:09:36. > :09:41.has been on Islamist terrorism? the Independent that is one of the

:09:41. > :09:45.criticisms made by a former Norwegian minister who is now a

:09:45. > :09:49.crime novelist. It is always easy with hindsight to recognise where

:09:49. > :09:54.the gaps in security operations were. It has been the case in the

:09:54. > :09:57.UK that there have been some success for a rest of people who

:09:57. > :10:01.appeared to have far-right sympathies, and who looked as if

:10:01. > :10:11.they were planning attacks, but it is also the case that the vast

:10:11. > :10:15.

:10:15. > :10:21.majority of the threat, the analysis suggests, is that it comes

:10:21. > :10:29.from the terrorist threat. There is also the debate about the way

:10:29. > :10:37.intelligence sharing can be used, and we will want put our expertise

:10:37. > :10:43.to put that to the Norwegians to help. In the Sun yesterday, it

:10:43. > :10:48.described Anders Behring Breivik as the Al-Qaeda convert. This 6 ft

:10:48. > :10:54.blonde, blue-eyed, Al-Qaeda convert, until the truth came out. In the

:10:54. > :10:58.Express, you don't find anything about Norway. He had to turn to

:10:58. > :11:03.page 6 before you find anything about it, apart from the front page

:11:03. > :11:09.which carries this very strong image of St George, which curiously

:11:09. > :11:14.it is the image that appears again and again on Anders Behring

:11:14. > :11:18.Breivik's website. I would like to pick up on the point about whether

:11:18. > :11:24.knitters an Islamic terrorist people talk about links to Al-Qaeda,

:11:24. > :11:29.with right-wing people write it off and say it is one lone mad man.

:11:29. > :11:39.They are very rarely on their own, they have links to the English

:11:39. > :11:49.Defence League and so on. And the idea, that has -- pervasiveness of

:11:49. > :11:49.

:11:49. > :11:56.the ideas, the way politicians link with voters, there are all sorts

:11:56. > :12:00.of... Sorry, go ahead. I do not think it is an excuse for right-

:12:00. > :12:08.wing terrorism. What is interesting about the previous governments and

:12:08. > :12:13.this government's prevent Strand, the how do we challenge violent

:12:13. > :12:17.extremism, if it does recognise there are similarities between

:12:17. > :12:22.right-wing extreme violent extremism and Islamist, and the

:12:22. > :12:28.answer to that is to base our approach in core values that we

:12:28. > :12:32.will expect from everybody. Isn't the bottom line that unless this is

:12:32. > :12:37.a network, you can't anticipate these things? It is difficult to

:12:37. > :12:44.get into that. If it turns out to be a lone individual, you can't

:12:44. > :12:54.prevent that. In the States obviously you had Timothy McVeigh

:12:54. > :12:54.

:12:54. > :12:59.much more recently, you had the shooter of Gabriel deferred. At

:12:59. > :13:04.that point, you could find out he had a social media presence, that

:13:04. > :13:09.there were signs of there. I don't know with Anders Behring Breivik,

:13:09. > :13:13.it seems here reopened his Facebook and Twitter accounts recently, but

:13:13. > :13:19.there are things you can look for. There are some other practical

:13:19. > :13:23.things we have learnt as well in the UK. Anders Behring Breivik

:13:23. > :13:27.bought six tons of fertiliser in order to make his car bomb. I

:13:27. > :13:35.suspect it would be difficult in the UK to buy that much fertiliser

:13:35. > :13:41.without it being flagged up. Let's move on to other issues. Rory, the

:13:41. > :13:46.American economy. From Amy Winehouse to the White House. The

:13:46. > :13:55.extent of America's debt, they have this important decision about

:13:55. > :13:59.raising the debt ceiling from 14 trillion dollars. That beats Andrew

:13:59. > :14:03.Marr's salary as commission mark a decision has to be taken and the

:14:03. > :14:09.extent to which the Republicans are conducting this brinkmanship and

:14:09. > :14:14.refusing to allow this debt ceiling to be raised, and again we are

:14:14. > :14:18.talking about the influence of right-wing parties. There is the

:14:18. > :14:22.Tea Party in America, which is pushing the Republicans on this

:14:22. > :14:26.agenda say they will not tolerate another dollar of tax expenditure

:14:26. > :14:30.to try and deal with the crisis they have, they want to see it on

:14:31. > :14:38.with spending cuts. The gap is so small, the Republicans themselves

:14:38. > :14:44.so they want to see 85% spending cuts, and 15% of tax measures. They

:14:44. > :14:50.are at 83% to 17% now but they are still holding the ground on the

:14:50. > :15:00.Republicans and also willing to let their country go down. You can't

:15:00. > :15:04.

:15:04. > :15:11.Some of this is about getting to grips with the Government.

:15:11. > :15:15.Obviously, phone hacking is still in the papers this morning. There

:15:15. > :15:21.is a lot in the papers. It has been driven off the front pages but in

:15:21. > :15:29.the Observer, we have victims of the 77 bombing in London worried

:15:29. > :15:33.that the police gave their details to News of the World reporters. I

:15:34. > :15:38.have found the whole issue about the police the most disturbing. You

:15:38. > :15:45.have a police force in Scotland Yard that has worldwide renown.

:15:45. > :15:48.They have been approached to help with Norway and yet, here they are,

:15:48. > :15:52.presumably a small number but nevertheless a small number of

:15:52. > :15:56.people possibly passing information. They are the people you should

:15:56. > :16:00.trust. I went to the Home Affairs Committee the other day. It was an

:16:00. > :16:03.extraordinary set of testimony about how, with News International

:16:03. > :16:08.and the police, the police seem to have blurred and become one

:16:08. > :16:12.organisation at certain points. did they first here about Amy

:16:12. > :16:17.Winehouse, by the way? I was worried that the first reports came

:16:17. > :16:24.through the Sunday Mirror. Now, they may have come by that

:16:24. > :16:27.legitimately. It may also not just be the police. Michael Hutchins

:16:27. > :16:32.told a mutual friend, never use your name when you're calling an

:16:32. > :16:36.ambulance because the paparazzi will get there first. There is the

:16:36. > :16:42.suggestion that was his experience, the emergency services had links to

:16:42. > :16:49.the tabloids this up questions for the emergency services. Questions

:16:49. > :16:52.for the Murdochs. This has reduced in priority after Norway but a good

:16:52. > :16:59.article in the Observer talking about the culture of intimidation

:16:59. > :17:03.that News International. When Vince Cable was coming out as the

:17:03. > :17:13.strongest voice against the Murdoch empire he was quickly shoved off

:17:13. > :17:13.

:17:13. > :17:20.that partly by the Daily Telegraph stinger on him. Henry Porter in the

:17:20. > :17:23.Observer details a number of the intimidation and the warnings of

:17:23. > :17:29.but went on under Murdoch, specifically the Independent about

:17:29. > :17:37.the way they were covering his son, James Murdoch. This rumbles on but

:17:37. > :17:40.I think we have lifted the lid on a very dark part of the media. And a

:17:40. > :17:45.link with the BBC. This week there has been discussions about whether

:17:45. > :17:49.or not David Cameron's meetings with News International and BSkyB

:17:49. > :17:55.executives was appropriate or in appropriate. Suggestions in the

:17:55. > :18:00.Sunday Telegraph but it led to changes in policy, plans to use the

:18:00. > :18:05.BBC licence fee to promote a bit more diversity in the media and

:18:05. > :18:09.television was stamped on by James Murdoch. Very briefly, a

:18:09. > :18:16.humanitarian disaster going on in the Horn of Africa. There is some

:18:16. > :18:20.coverage getting in on that. Independent have actually not

:18:20. > :18:24.sidelined this issue. They have made it their central campaign

:18:24. > :18:32.today, give a day's pay for Africa and they have a very rich reporting

:18:32. > :18:37.from across the famine region. I was glad to see that. Obviously,

:18:37. > :18:44.Amy Winehouse, a big story for the papers. Yes, very good piece by

:18:44. > :18:49.Neil McCormick. Tony Bennett came out as saying he worked at the

:18:49. > :18:52.recently and said how much he admired her. They recorded recently.

:18:52. > :18:55.Neil McCormack says he was there in the studio when their record of

:18:55. > :19:03.this piece of music and how wonderful it was. He said it looked

:19:03. > :19:10.like she was feeling well, clearly sober, steady. The first time in a

:19:10. > :19:14.studio for one year. They sang a beautifully together. It was

:19:14. > :19:19.clearly a very exciting thing about to happen. But equally, Jacqui

:19:19. > :19:26.Smith, lots of questions about drugs and alcohol. I think this

:19:26. > :19:30.suggestion about the 27 Club, Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, they were 27

:19:30. > :19:36.when they died. Actually, what they have in common is they could not

:19:36. > :19:42.get off drugs. It is a tragic waste which has come from this addiction

:19:42. > :19:45.and the inability to move away from it. Thank you all very much indeed.

:19:45. > :19:49.Now, one year from this Tuesday, the greatest show on earth gets

:19:49. > :19:52.under way. The 2012 Olympics. Most buildings are finished and the main

:19:52. > :19:54.stadium, where Barack Obama and more than 100 presidents and prime

:19:54. > :20:00.ministers and others will watch the opening ceremony, is ready for

:20:00. > :20:02.action right now. London last hosted the Games in 1948 and I

:20:02. > :20:08.recently had the privilege of meeting two British competitors

:20:08. > :20:11.from that time. Dorothy and John Parlett. Both were runners. John

:20:11. > :20:15.took part in the men's 800 metres, while Dorothy Manley, as she then

:20:15. > :20:18.was, won the silver medal in the women's 100 metre dash. Dorothy

:20:18. > :20:28.explained how she went from being a shorthand typist and talented club

:20:28. > :20:42.

:20:42. > :20:47.They drew up a list of possibles in 1947 and I found myself in the high

:20:47. > :20:54.jump. Because I was on this list I was put into the hand of Sandy

:20:54. > :20:59.Duncan, a very eminent athlete in his own right. And when he saw me

:20:59. > :21:04.running, he said one day, "Dorothy, I don't think you're going to make

:21:04. > :21:09.it on the high jump, but I can see potential in your running". That

:21:09. > :21:14.was in March. On the 2nd August, but very same year, I got the

:21:14. > :21:18.silver medal in the Olympic Games. They're so much hoopla and build up

:21:18. > :21:22.about this. The athletes train for many years. There's a huge media

:21:22. > :21:27.build up. Villagers are built for the athletes and you're talking

:21:27. > :21:32.about a very different event, aren't you? Well, it wasn't the be

:21:32. > :21:36.all and end all. Nowadays, you are aiming for gold and that is the one

:21:36. > :21:40.word you hear all the time. Personally, I didn't go into it

:21:40. > :21:46.thinking I was don't get a gold medal, not at all. I was just happy

:21:46. > :21:54.to have taken part and that's it. These were very much the post-war

:21:54. > :22:03.Olympics. A chance for countries to come together on the sporting field

:22:03. > :22:06.rather than the battlefield. A time of optimism but also of austerity.

:22:06. > :22:09.A lot of comment in some of the papers that the Olympics was a

:22:09. > :22:16.waste of money. We have other things we should be spending our

:22:16. > :22:21.money on. There was quite a lot of opposition from that point of view.

:22:21. > :22:26.There were only two years to do the preparation. They took place at a

:22:26. > :22:31.time when there was still rationing. What was your intake of food? What

:22:31. > :22:38.were you eating at the time? All I can remember is we were given extra

:22:38. > :22:43.rations of meat at the Olympics. I had a stake. I can remember my

:22:43. > :22:49.mother buying it for me. She and my father couldn't have it because it

:22:49. > :22:54.was fashioned. That's the only thing extra. -- it was rationed.

:22:54. > :23:00.The Easter before the Games, Billy Butlin invited the hopefuls to his

:23:00. > :23:04.holiday camp at Clacton with a couple first met. John cab to the

:23:04. > :23:08.weekend on his home a movie camera. If the chance for the athletes to

:23:08. > :23:15.socialise together although Dorothy admits she was never very good at

:23:15. > :23:20.being relaxed. Dorothy, let's talk about the day itself and take me

:23:20. > :23:25.through the final. The 100 metres final at the Olympics. How were you

:23:25. > :23:30.feeling beforehand? Terrible, terrified. I always said, if I

:23:30. > :23:39.could have run away, I would have done. I felt terrible. I was more

:23:39. > :23:43.nervous than I would have liked to have been. And when the gun went

:23:43. > :23:48.off, I got the best start I ever had in my life and I thought for a

:23:48. > :23:51.moment, we were going to be recalled. Of course, I shouldn't

:23:51. > :23:54.have been thinking about that. I shouldn't have been thinking that,

:23:54. > :24:01.I should be thinking I have got to get from here to there and that's

:24:01. > :24:05.it. And also, I had the lane at which was nearest to all the people,

:24:05. > :24:10.but I would have loved to have had one of the centre ones because then

:24:10. > :24:16.you can sense the people either side of you. Because I was very

:24:16. > :24:23.stupid, I won't like that at one point. It was a reflex action but

:24:23. > :24:29.my head turned. I presumed it to see where everybody else was. All

:24:29. > :24:39.these things obviously went against me a bit. Tell me, what was it like

:24:39. > :24:43.to race against fanny? I wouldn't have beaten her, in a month of

:24:43. > :24:49.Sundays but I thought I could have been nearer to her had not been for

:24:49. > :24:56.the silly things I did. Do you follow athletics today? No.

:24:57. > :25:03.not? It just isn't the sport that I enjoyed. And I don't like watching

:25:03. > :25:08.it and I don't like all the flag- waving. No. This nasty triumphalism.

:25:08. > :25:13.It has become the norm. None of us won't like this, did we? If you

:25:13. > :25:17.watch the films, you don't see that sort of thing. Will you be going to

:25:17. > :25:23.the Olympics next year? I don't know. We are supposed to be getting

:25:23. > :25:29.a ticket. If you are in the last Olympics, the last I heard, you

:25:29. > :25:33.would get a ticket but I made it clear that I would like to be there

:25:33. > :25:39.just for one occasion, the women's final of the 100 metres because I

:25:39. > :25:44.would like to see that because it's time another British could not the

:25:45. > :25:48.place. There's only two of us who have ever done it since 1960. No-

:25:48. > :25:57.one has then been placed in 100 metres women. But you will watch,

:25:57. > :26:03.won't you? Yes, I will watch some of it on television, yes. I'm only

:26:03. > :26:06.interested in football and cricket really. How about that? I am joined

:26:06. > :26:09.now by two women who can only aspire to such spirit. Dame Kelly

:26:09. > :26:12.Holmes, the double gold winning heroine of the 2004 Athens Olympics.

:26:12. > :26:16.And Tessa Jowell, the Shadow Olympics minister who sits on the

:26:16. > :26:19.Olympics Board. Tessa, before I talk to Dame Kelly, can't you do

:26:19. > :26:27.something about that? Surely a ticket for the women's 100 metres

:26:27. > :26:30.can be found for Dorothy Parlett? Of course, it must be possible.

:26:30. > :26:34.Dorothy must be they're taking a pride of place, and I'm sure there

:26:34. > :26:38.will be people listening at the organising committee at this very

:26:38. > :26:46.moment and I hope that they will be sorting out the tickets for Dorothy

:26:46. > :26:52.and John. Excellent. Thank you very much indeed. Dame Kelly, you heard

:26:52. > :26:56.what she was saying there. The world has changed. She didn't have

:26:57. > :27:01.any dietary help, she did little training. She only started training

:27:01. > :27:06.in the march of. The world has changed completely. Has it gone too

:27:06. > :27:13.far the other way, do you think? the professionalism in Sport and

:27:13. > :27:17.the Olympics has been heightened. Of course, the media exposure, the

:27:17. > :27:21.interest in sport and the way people become role models and

:27:22. > :27:24.heroes in that changed the outlook of what the sport is about.

:27:24. > :27:28.Representing the country, more countries are now taking part, of

:27:28. > :27:34.course. There is more finance put into sport so we have bigger

:27:34. > :27:37.showcases. Yes, it has changed, but we have to change with that

:27:37. > :27:42.unfortunately for the isn't there a risk of there is too much pressure

:27:42. > :27:47.put on the athletes, their expectations are too high? And they

:27:47. > :27:54.lose a little bit of the spirit of the fun of competing? Yes, you're

:27:54. > :27:59.absolutely right. 2012 is going to be the best Olympic Games ever. It

:27:59. > :28:02.will be extraordinary for our country. The expectations and

:28:02. > :28:07.pressures of the team and the British team especially is going to

:28:07. > :28:15.be so heightened because it is on home turf, and I think there's

:28:15. > :28:23.going to be a lot of young athletes that people don't know about. It

:28:23. > :28:29.will be there kind of, "I am at the Olympic Games and nobody would

:28:29. > :28:33.expect anything" And they will get some medals and then you get the

:28:33. > :28:35.established stars. We will see a lot of people falling and that's a

:28:35. > :28:41.balance of what the Olympic Games brings but you can't underestimate

:28:41. > :28:46.how fantastic it's going to be. it as a prediction. I'll be going

:28:46. > :28:51.to do better than last and? I think, in Beijing, we came 4th in the

:28:51. > :28:55.medal table, not where we want to come because now the pressure is on,

:28:55. > :29:00.but the funding has been a tremendous. Every sport has stepped

:29:00. > :29:04.up their game and I do absolutely believe we will have more success

:29:04. > :29:09.in a broader range of sport. I wouldn't want to predict how many

:29:09. > :29:13.medals that's going to be, but, you know, we have to do very well over

:29:13. > :29:17.every sport and I think that is given to be our success but the

:29:17. > :29:24.success is not just going to be what happens in the stadium, it's

:29:24. > :29:29.also going to be how we, as a nation, showcase the Olympic Games.

:29:29. > :29:32.We have got a really unique country, our culture, media, music and

:29:32. > :29:37.everything. If we can bring that together and let the fans of sport

:29:37. > :29:41.and the country enjoyed and no that we have the Olympic Games, that

:29:41. > :29:48.will be our success. Thank you very much indeed for telling us that.

:29:48. > :29:52.Tessa Jowell, we have had the optimistic outlook from Dame Kelly.

:29:52. > :29:55.Let's look first of all that ticketing. A lot of people right

:29:55. > :30:01.now thought they were going to get a ticket but didn't. What went

:30:01. > :30:07.wrong? What else is being done about it? Well, nothing went wrong,

:30:08. > :30:16.James. What happened was that their work 22,000 applications bought 6.5

:30:16. > :30:21.million tickets. So we are facing the amazing prospect of being the

:30:21. > :30:25.first a sell out Olympic Games. The only sport, as of now, for which

:30:25. > :30:29.tickets have been released and are available but has not sold out his

:30:30. > :30:34.football. Particularly the football and outside London. There will,

:30:34. > :30:41.however, be a bit over one million tickets released at the end of the

:30:41. > :30:50.year, the beginning and texture, and I know that everybody's aim is

:30:50. > :30:53.to make sure those people, to 0.2 million people applying for tickets,

:30:53. > :31:00.and have been disappointed, get tickets. The extent to which that

:31:00. > :31:04.is possible is obviously a matter of arithmetic. But the fact is,

:31:04. > :31:08.there is a will to address that disappointment. But let's not

:31:08. > :31:13.forget that the fact that many people have not got the tickets

:31:13. > :31:23.they wanted, is a function of the enormous enthusiasm that people

:31:23. > :31:29.How concerned are you that the Olympics will be a target for

:31:29. > :31:34.terrorism, and what is being done about it? I was interested to

:31:34. > :31:41.listen to the peace on Norway, and obviously Jacqui Smith's comments.

:31:41. > :31:48.She was Home Secretary when we were working on the early stages of the

:31:48. > :31:53.security plan. That has preceded, after the election, in a pretty

:31:53. > :31:59.seamless way. All I can say it is that the aspect of the present

:31:59. > :32:06.strategy to engage young people who might be at risk of radicalisation,

:32:06. > :32:10.but also the mobilisation of police forces around the country is in

:32:10. > :32:19.advanced state of organisation. We can take confidence I think from

:32:19. > :32:25.the fact the rest of the world looks to our security services at

:32:25. > :32:29.times like this for advice on how to do it. We are confident in the

:32:29. > :32:34.capability and vigilance is going to be absolutely vital, but

:32:34. > :32:40.everybody should be assured that the Security Planning is very well

:32:40. > :32:46.under way and it is in good hands. Even if the Metropolitan Police is

:32:46. > :32:52.in the state it is now, you retain that confidence? Yes, I think it is

:32:52. > :32:58.absolutely right that the successor to Stevenson needs to be appointed

:32:58. > :33:04.as quickly as possible. Obviously he has been the figurehead, but

:33:04. > :33:10.underneath his level the work goes on. It goes on not just in the Met,

:33:10. > :33:17.the leading police authority, but also with the Olympic security

:33:17. > :33:21.executive within the Home Office. Thank you.

:33:21. > :33:24.A bit of sunshine in the south today, let's hear what the

:33:24. > :33:28.today, let's hear what the prospects are across the UK now

:33:28. > :33:34.with the weather forecast. Today the weather will be behaving

:33:34. > :33:39.reasonably well, and for most that means it should be a dry day. It

:33:39. > :33:44.will feel warmer than yesterday but there are exceptions. South-west

:33:44. > :33:47.Wales and south-west England could be cloudy with spots of rain, and

:33:47. > :33:52.the far north-east of Scotland stays cloudy as well with outbreaks

:33:52. > :33:57.of rain continuing across the northern isles. In the sunshine, it

:33:57. > :34:00.will feel warmer with temperatures of 24 degrees in London. Through

:34:00. > :34:05.this evening and overnight it is a chilly night across parts of

:34:05. > :34:10.northern England and southern Scotland. Further west it will turn

:34:10. > :34:17.murky with fog patches developing across Wales and south-west England.

:34:17. > :34:20.Some rain forecast for Northern Ireland, that will work into the

:34:20. > :34:25.West of England in the afternoon with the best of the sunshine

:34:25. > :34:35.further east. Depending on how much sunshine we see, we could see the

:34:35. > :34:35.

:34:35. > :34:39.temperatures climbing as high as 26 This morning we are learning more

:34:39. > :34:44.about the potential motives of the killer in Norway, and the full

:34:44. > :34:49.scale of the tragedy but what are the implications? William Hague,

:34:49. > :34:56.the foreign secretary, joins me now. You have been speaking to your

:34:56. > :35:06.counterpart in Norway, what has he been saying? By yes, I was in touch

:35:06. > :35:07.

:35:07. > :35:11.with the Norwegian foreign secretary, as ambassador in Oslo

:35:11. > :35:15.has been in close touch with the Norwegian authorities and we have a

:35:15. > :35:19.British police officer based there in our embassy to co-ordinate

:35:19. > :35:23.assistance. In all those conversations we have expressed

:35:23. > :35:27.their deep condolences of the people of Britain to the people and

:35:27. > :35:32.the government of Norway, and we have offered any practical

:35:32. > :35:37.assistance that can be useful to them. Practical assistance in terms

:35:37. > :35:41.of police co-operation and also in terms of our experience in this

:35:41. > :35:46.country of coming to terms with tragedies of this kind. We will

:35:46. > :35:52.keep in close touch with them of course over the coming hours and

:35:52. > :35:57.days as more information develops. How do you do that? How do you

:35:57. > :36:02.share experience of incidents like Dunblane with the Norwegian

:36:02. > :36:08.authorities? As I say, we will be working on that over the coming

:36:08. > :36:12.days and weeks, if the Norwegians want to take us up on that kind of

:36:12. > :36:18.assistance, but we have local authorities, police forces,

:36:18. > :36:22.individuals with immense experience of what we have been through in

:36:22. > :36:27.this country. Norway does not have that experience, this is one of the

:36:27. > :36:31.reasons why it it is such a profound shock. It is the worst

:36:31. > :36:35.event in Norway since the end of the Second World War, so we can

:36:35. > :36:39.personally have that experience passed on. If necessary we will

:36:39. > :36:44.have people visit Norway and give the benefit of our advice and

:36:44. > :36:50.experience. As foreign secretary, you are formally responsible for

:36:50. > :36:53.MI6. What is taking place at the moment to try and make our own

:36:53. > :36:58.assessment of further threat there may be out there as a result of

:36:59. > :37:03.what has happened in Norway? can't ever go into details on

:37:03. > :37:09.intelligence matters, but I will say that the work I see first hand

:37:09. > :37:15.every day, and the Home Secretary seas, the work of our intelligence

:37:15. > :37:19.services, shows that a tremendous job is done day-by-day for our

:37:19. > :37:25.country and in co-operation with our allies in keeping this country

:37:25. > :37:29.as safe as possible from terrorism. We have many many successes in

:37:29. > :37:34.trying to keep this country safe from terrorism, and costs are

:37:34. > :37:40.allies include Norway. This on the face of it at the moment is not an

:37:40. > :37:45.event that has arisen from an international network or

:37:46. > :37:51.international conspiracy, but it is early days in looking into it.

:37:51. > :37:56.Across the countries of Europe and globally, we have extremely strong

:37:56. > :37:59.counter-terrorism co-operation. We are reinforcing that all the time,

:37:59. > :38:05.and Aaron contest was published a couple of weeks ago saying that we

:38:05. > :38:11.must be ready to face all forms of terrorism. The main terrorist

:38:11. > :38:16.threat remains Al-Qaeda or or people inspired by it Al-Qaeda, but

:38:16. > :38:21.that is not the only kind of extremist or terrorist threat.

:38:21. > :38:25.These events are a sad reminder of that. How do you respond to the

:38:25. > :38:32.charge that Western countries have focused too much on Islamist

:38:32. > :38:37.terrorism and not enough on the threat of right-wing terrorism?

:38:37. > :38:41.There are two answers to that. Firstly, we must not think because

:38:41. > :38:48.of this event that Al-Qaeda inspired terrorism is not a threat.

:38:48. > :38:54.It remains in all assessment the single biggest terrorist threat to

:38:54. > :38:58.the UK and to our European allies. That remains the case. The other

:38:58. > :39:03.answer to that is that in our counter-terrorism strategy, it is

:39:03. > :39:07.very clear that is not the only form of threat we may face. The

:39:07. > :39:11.National Security Council will meet tomorrow in London and we will look

:39:11. > :39:16.at the lessons to be learned from this. We will check that enough

:39:16. > :39:22.attention is being given to all forms of terrorism, and of course

:39:22. > :39:26.we put in place over the last few years for strong defence. We had

:39:26. > :39:31.tight firearms controls in Britain and very tight controls on the sale

:39:31. > :39:35.of material needed to manufacture a bomb, and we have the most highly

:39:35. > :39:40.professionally trained firearms officers in the world, and we have

:39:40. > :39:46.the police and intelligence agencies working well together in

:39:46. > :39:51.making sure, best as we can, the country is safe from a tax. Isn't

:39:51. > :39:57.there a bottom line that, however good the strategy is, you can't

:39:57. > :40:02.stop alone individual carrying out something like this unless he has

:40:02. > :40:07.some trace, unless he is part of a network you can break into?

:40:07. > :40:11.course it is much harder in the case of a lone individual or a

:40:11. > :40:15.couple of people, that is much harder than combating a terrorist

:40:15. > :40:20.network and that is why you have to have the other things, the firearms

:40:20. > :40:27.legislation, the control on material needed to manufacture a

:40:27. > :40:34.bomb, but even then you can't guarantee being able to prevent

:40:34. > :40:38.every attack or every kind of attack. That is why we have levels

:40:38. > :40:43.of warnings about terrorist attack which we published openly. That

:40:43. > :40:49.level in this country is currently rated as substantial, that there is

:40:49. > :40:53.a possibility of an attack and an attack without warning. It always

:40:53. > :40:59.requires vigilance from members of the public and it always requires

:40:59. > :41:03.us to think of a new situation or a new kind of threat. It is exactly

:41:03. > :41:07.to make sure we are preparing ourselves for that that we will be

:41:07. > :41:12.discussing it in the National Security Council tomorrow. Thank

:41:12. > :41:17.you. This week the Metropolitan Police

:41:17. > :41:22.Commissioner Sir Paul Stevenson resigned, as did his assistant

:41:22. > :41:29.commissioner John Yates. Both were casualties of the phone hacking

:41:29. > :41:37.crisis. So what now for the Met? I am joined now by Sir Hugh Orde, the

:41:37. > :41:43.President of the Association. -- the Association of Chief Police

:41:43. > :41:46.Officers. Firstly, let's speak about Norway. Can you talk to me

:41:46. > :41:51.about what kind of experience and support and help the British police

:41:51. > :41:55.can provide? It will be a substantial inquiry by the

:41:55. > :42:02.Norwegian police, who are a competent police service. We have

:42:02. > :42:06.already offered help, which is very reassuring. I spoke to the national

:42:06. > :42:16.co-ordinator only this morning, he assures me we have made those

:42:16. > :42:18.

:42:18. > :42:24.offers, as has my organisation. We have many years of experience and

:42:24. > :42:29.will help if asked to do so. How do you deal with the lone gunman who

:42:29. > :42:34.has not got any present on the internet may be, not part of any

:42:34. > :42:39.network, and they go out and do something like this. Can you defend

:42:39. > :42:44.against something like that? You do your level best. First of all, we

:42:44. > :42:49.do not know if this was a lone gunman. To a substantial degree in

:42:49. > :42:55.this country, you plan for and prepare for those events which

:42:55. > :42:59.slipped through the intelligence net. In 1984 we looked like a

:42:59. > :43:04.liberal democracy compared to the structures you need to know about

:43:04. > :43:08.everything and everybody, but recently we ran a major exercise to

:43:08. > :43:13.make sure we were as well prepared as we can be to deal with that sort

:43:13. > :43:17.of threat in this country, and the Test stood up to its name. We

:43:17. > :43:21.delivered. Why did you do that test? Because you think there is a

:43:21. > :43:27.real prospect of it happening? Because you have to keep ahead of

:43:27. > :43:32.the game. We knew from Mumbai for example that we have to start

:43:32. > :43:35.thinking in different ways. Terrorism moves all the time. The

:43:35. > :43:40.experience from Northern Ireland comes in there, and a fertiliser

:43:40. > :43:45.bomb is likely, so things move on. The trick of policing is we look at

:43:45. > :43:53.these things, we learn from them, we engage with the government, and

:43:53. > :43:58.prepared to protect the citizens in this country as best we can. Let's

:43:58. > :44:02.move on to phone hacking. Appal investigation, incredibly close

:44:02. > :44:07.links to News International, two of the most senior police officers

:44:07. > :44:13.forced to resign, give me a sense of the crisis the Metropolitan

:44:13. > :44:18.Police is facing this morning. First of all, we have queued

:44:18. > :44:23.strength in depth. My sense is 140,000 police officers in this

:44:23. > :44:26.country are looking at this and they are clearly worried. They need

:44:26. > :44:31.new leadership to be put in, and the advertisement has already gone

:44:31. > :44:37.out, so there is a plan in place. We will continue to protect

:44:37. > :44:42.citizens. I am concerned about this suggestion that 140,000 police out

:44:42. > :44:46.there are taking payments, it is a bizarre suggestion, but we are not

:44:46. > :44:49.complacent about that. Her Majesty's respect is looking at

:44:49. > :44:54.that in a detailed way to form a clear view on just what the

:44:54. > :44:58.challenges are facing this police service. But there is some

:44:59. > :45:03.corruption. Some people will be potentially arrested for this. How

:45:03. > :45:11.does the Met restore confidence without having some kind of formal

:45:11. > :45:15.By continuing to deliver the service for people of London

:45:15. > :45:19.require. Confidence at precinct is at a far higher level than it was

:45:19. > :45:25.when I joined. Let's not lose our nerve here. We need to put in the

:45:25. > :45:30.right structure. Officers look for leadership, that's clear. The chief

:45:30. > :45:38.officer of this country, Sir Paul Stephenson said he was responsible,

:45:38. > :45:42.and therefore, he is handing in his notice. You think a couple of

:45:42. > :45:47.resignations will restore confidence? No, I think the public

:45:47. > :45:53.will judge us on how we deliver police services day-in and day-out.

:45:53. > :45:58.Crime is falling. Conference in policing continues. Let's not be

:45:58. > :46:02.complacent but let's not create a crisis which does not exist.

:46:02. > :46:06.policemen who have done wrong here, do we need to see them convicted

:46:06. > :46:12.and going to jail to convince people of your argument about the

:46:12. > :46:19.wider police force, there's no endemic corruption? I have zero

:46:19. > :46:24.tolerance of any officer who steps out of that. There is a zero-

:46:24. > :46:28.tolerance and this inquiry will look precisely at that. I think

:46:28. > :46:32.when we look at that inquiry... needs some prosecutions. Is it

:46:32. > :46:38.feasible we will see that? I think this inquiry will pursue that.

:46:38. > :46:42.Absolutely. Any corrupt officer that lets the side down, who does

:46:42. > :46:46.huge damage to policing, expect to be locked up and the key thrown

:46:46. > :46:51.away. This week we had an estimate how many police numbers are going

:46:51. > :46:55.to be cut, substantially across the place. The government says it's

:46:55. > :46:59.necessary. The police after do things more efficiently. We're

:46:59. > :47:04.doing our level best to be as efficient as we can be. A report

:47:04. > :47:07.was released this week saying, despite a 20% cuts, we have

:47:07. > :47:12.maintained frontline services by doing things in different ways. We

:47:12. > :47:20.do need to look more widely at policing through commission. We are

:47:20. > :47:26.Karen be delivering 21st century ruffs with a twentieth-century

:47:26. > :47:31.police force. Sir Hugh Orde, thank you very much for coming in this

:47:31. > :47:34.morning. So, a second bail-out for Greece has been agreed. The

:47:34. > :47:36.eurozone and the markets can breathe a sigh of relief. Or can

:47:36. > :47:39.they? As economists pore over the detail, questions remain over

:47:39. > :47:45.whether the deal agreed in Brussels is just a temporary sticking

:47:45. > :47:48.plaster or a sustainable answer to the euro's woes. Britain is not in

:47:48. > :47:51.the eurozone but its economy is utterly intertwined. So what does

:47:51. > :47:57.it mean for us? The business secretary, Vince Cable is here.

:47:57. > :48:02.Good morning. Answer but first question. As the deal which has

:48:02. > :48:06.been agreed this week, is at a sticking plaster for the short term

:48:06. > :48:10.or today sustainable solution? has unsolved the big problems but

:48:10. > :48:14.is a big step forward. Essentially, what they have agreed is that some

:48:14. > :48:19.of the great debt will be written off. The banks will absorb the cost

:48:19. > :48:22.of that. They have agreed to a bigger package of measures for

:48:22. > :48:31.future difficulties and take a Nicky step forward in the economic

:48:31. > :48:35.union. -- a huge step forward. The biggest threat to the world

:48:35. > :48:40.financial system comes from a few right-wing nutters been the

:48:40. > :48:45.American Congress rather than the eurozone. Temporary measures. More

:48:45. > :48:51.will have to be done but it's a step forward. Is it enough?

:48:51. > :48:58.issue of Greig debt, they grasp the principle of debt reduction. --

:48:58. > :49:04.Greek debt. They had just begun to take the first steps to accepting

:49:04. > :49:13.there will have to be much closer economic integration. Does it need

:49:13. > :49:20.more structural change? I think those people are irresponsible be

:49:20. > :49:23.become of those who are rubbing their hands with glee hoping that

:49:23. > :49:27.the eurozone will collapse for that it is in that Britain's interest,

:49:27. > :49:31.as the Chancellor pointed out this week, the eurozone succeeds, and

:49:31. > :49:36.they had taken a few key steps to make sure it does succeed. Of

:49:36. > :49:39.course, we are not likely to be part of it in the future, but it is

:49:39. > :49:45.very important for our economy in terms of trade and stability of our

:49:45. > :49:49.banks, it does succeed. We want them to succeed. In the UK we have

:49:49. > :49:53.the growth figures this week. You spend a lot of your time touring

:49:53. > :49:59.the country. How concerned are you about the state of the economy and

:49:59. > :50:04.growth? It isn't great and it's not surprising. That's because of the

:50:04. > :50:13.problems we inherited, the banking collapse, the recession, the

:50:13. > :50:20.unsustainable boom up. We had to put public financials in order.

:50:20. > :50:22.These are not easy problems. First of all, we are in a German block

:50:22. > :50:30.than a Greek position in the financial markets, which is very

:50:30. > :50:34.positive. We are beginning to see real evidence of rebalancing. I

:50:34. > :50:39.travel around the country a lot, the aerospace industry, the car

:50:39. > :50:44.industry, real private sector investment is taking place. The

:50:44. > :50:49.beginnings of a rebirth of manufacturing exports. The growth

:50:49. > :50:55.is and they yet, is it? There is a genuine problem with demand.

:50:55. > :50:59.Consumer demand. Again, it's not surprising. The world commodity

:51:00. > :51:04.prices have gone up. Its other big effect on consumer confidence here

:51:04. > :51:09.but the Bank of England has played a key role in keeping interest

:51:09. > :51:16.rates down. And, if necessary, using a money supply to deal with

:51:16. > :51:21.this problem if weak demand continues. You think more printing

:51:21. > :51:27.of money could be one of the solutions to tide us over this lack

:51:27. > :51:32.of growth? The Bank of England is independent. But if there is a

:51:32. > :51:35.sustained period of weakness in demand, the right approach to that

:51:35. > :51:39.is not for the government to relax its fiscal discipline, we have to

:51:39. > :51:44.keep that going, but the Bank of England must pursue policies of low

:51:44. > :51:51.interest rates which keeps the exchange rate down, but also using

:51:51. > :51:54.expansion of quantity easing in more imaginative ways, not just

:51:55. > :51:59.government security acquiring. do you mean by more imaginative

:51:59. > :52:06.ways? There are members of the Monetary Policy Committee which

:52:06. > :52:13.float in different ideas would hope to do wants to be easing. It is for

:52:13. > :52:22.them to form their own judgment -- -- different ideas to implement

:52:23. > :52:29.quantities of the easing. -- quantitative easing. We realise it

:52:29. > :52:31.is a difficult. There are weaknesses which we have inherited.

:52:31. > :52:36.We realise they are deep-rooted. The problem we have is not simply

:52:36. > :52:40.getting growth started again, but getting it started in a sustainable

:52:40. > :52:43.way. It has got to come through business investment, exports,

:52:43. > :52:50.manufacturing, and we're putting in place policies to make sure that

:52:50. > :52:55.happens. You still responsible for media ownership rules. This will be

:52:55. > :52:58.looked at other levels of inquiry. What would you like to see?

:52:58. > :53:03.depends what they come up with but I think we have learned from the

:53:03. > :53:07.past that having media moguls dominating British media is deeply

:53:07. > :53:12.unhelpful, not in terms just a plurality but the wider impact on

:53:12. > :53:21.the political world. What I would like to see is a set of very clear

:53:21. > :53:26.unambiguous rules about market shares, so we don't have dominant

:53:26. > :53:31.players. Limits? Yes, a presumption against cross ownership between the

:53:31. > :53:35.press and television. A some would say Rupert Murdoch brought

:53:35. > :53:39.plurality to this country by having television and newspapers and

:53:39. > :53:45.without him we would have had fewer newspapers boss of the Times and

:53:45. > :53:50.the Independent may not have been existing. He has made a positive

:53:50. > :53:54.contributions, in a balanced view. I don't want to detract with that.

:53:54. > :53:59.In the world, we have had some very dominant media companies and I

:53:59. > :54:04.think we need to draw lessons from that, not in a personal way. We

:54:04. > :54:08.need diversity, plurality and twice. It has got to come from wider

:54:08. > :54:14.ownership. Rupert Murdoch's dominance will never happen again?

:54:14. > :54:18.Well, it isn't simply Rupert Murdoch for the there are other big

:54:18. > :54:21.media companies to cut other the same influence in the future and we

:54:21. > :54:24.have got to stop that happening. You heard what Sir Hugh Orde said

:54:25. > :54:29.about his view of the Metropolitan Police at the moment. Are you

:54:29. > :54:34.satisfied with what is going on at the moment? You have been critical

:54:34. > :54:37.of the sleazy links between media and police, the corruption, a word

:54:37. > :54:41.which is now being used by the Prime Minister about what has gone

:54:41. > :54:45.on. I'm a very worried about it because, like most people, I have

:54:45. > :54:50.tremendous respect for the police, and the vast majority of the police

:54:50. > :54:54.are completely honest and feel anger about the way they have been

:54:54. > :54:58.let down by people higher up the system. There does need to be a

:54:58. > :55:03.proper independent investigation so that if there are bad apples, they

:55:03. > :55:06.do need to be removed from the barrel for a you famously told the

:55:06. > :55:11.Telegraph undercover reporter I have declared war on Mr Murdoch and

:55:11. > :55:18.I think we're going to win. Have you won? I don't see it like that,

:55:18. > :55:23.actually? I had responsibility for that problem and I made sure the

:55:23. > :55:27.bid was referred to an independent regulator. There was a lot of

:55:27. > :55:30.advice just to let it through. It would do the regulator and as a

:55:30. > :55:35.result, it was stopped and as a result, we are a much more held the

:55:35. > :55:39.position today. What are your thoughts about members of the Lib

:55:39. > :55:43.Dem been bullied by News International staff? Is there

:55:43. > :55:46.something you have experienced? There was heavy lobbying but

:55:46. > :55:51.perfectly legal. Nobody is suggesting anything illegal

:55:51. > :55:58.happened on that front but I don't want to dwell on the past I want to

:55:58. > :56:03.focus on reforming the system of competition. So then begin other

:56:03. > :56:09.more plural system in the future. Finally, do you believe News

:56:09. > :56:14.International is a fit and proper organisation to own its existing

:56:14. > :56:19.stock of BSkyB? But the big question to ask in view of what has

:56:19. > :56:24.happened but fortunately, it's not up to politicians to decide. The

:56:24. > :56:27.regulator Ofcom is now looking at whether they are fit and proper

:56:27. > :56:31.people to continue to have their share and ownership and they will

:56:31. > :56:36.come to a decision. Would you do that if they're at it Rupert

:56:36. > :56:40.Murdoch just pitched up his tent and left? I'm not personalising it.

:56:40. > :56:45.They have got to look at the question of fit and proper people

:56:45. > :56:51.and we will wait and see what happens. Excellent. Thank you very

:56:51. > :56:58.much for joining us. I think a defined a new phrase, "Heavy

:56:58. > :57:02.lobbying". Now over to Kate for the news headlines.

:57:02. > :57:08.James, thank you. William Hague has said Al-Qaeda poses the biggest of

:57:08. > :57:12.terror threat to the terror threat despite the shooting in Norway from

:57:13. > :57:19.a man with extreme right-wing links. He said Britain had a strong

:57:19. > :57:24.defence there is any similar actions by activists including

:57:24. > :57:28.extreme high laws and highly trained officers. In Oslo, a

:57:28. > :57:32.cathedral service are taking place today to commemorate those who were

:57:32. > :57:36.killed in Friday's attacks. The man accused, 32-year-old Anders Behring

:57:36. > :57:42.Breivik has told his lawyer that his actions were atrocious but

:57:42. > :57:47.necessary. He says he will explain himself in court tomorrow. That is

:57:48. > :57:52.all from me for now. The next news is that my day. First a look at

:57:52. > :57:56.what is coming up after the show. Today on Sunday morning live,

:57:56. > :58:01.should we have a right to know if our part as a violent past? A

:58:01. > :58:05.father says it would have saved his daughter. We will ask acyclic if

:58:05. > :58:15.she should be banned for charging for her services? Should we be

:58:15. > :58:15.

:58:15. > :58:18.proud of our political leaders? Go to the website to join in. James.

:58:18. > :58:21.Right, we're out of time. Sophie Rayworth is here at the same time

:58:21. > :58:25.next Sunday, keeping the Marr flame burning bright while Andrew is

:58:25. > :58:28.filming on the other side of the world. And in all the tributes to

:58:28. > :58:31.Amy whitehouse that have emerged in the last few hours, I was struck by