:00:40. > :00:43.Good morning. It may be the holiday season, and Andrew is certainly off
:00:43. > :00:47.enjoying himself in hotter climes, but I am delighted to be steering
:00:47. > :00:52.the show through. Already, this August is proving more lively than
:00:52. > :00:56.our political leaders might have wished. With yesterday's dreadful
:00:56. > :01:02.loss of life and now rioting in London overnight. Plenty for our
:01:02. > :01:05.paper reviewers to get their teeth into. They are Maureen Lipman and
:01:05. > :01:15.Matthew Oakeshott, a Liberal Democrat peer and former Treasury
:01:15. > :01:15.
:01:15. > :01:19.spokesman. Days of financial turmoil and then the downgrading of
:01:19. > :01:23.America's credit rating, have raised fears that leading economies
:01:23. > :01:27.are in peril. No one seems sure what to do about it. Apparently,
:01:27. > :01:31.there has been a flurry of international phone calls between
:01:31. > :01:36.the holiday homes of Prime Ministers and presidents. Will they
:01:36. > :01:40.come up with a plan? This morning, I will be asking Alastair Burt
:01:40. > :01:46.about how the crisis is being managed. We will also be talking
:01:46. > :01:50.about yesterday's US helicopter crash in Afghanistan. Will the loss
:01:50. > :01:52.of so many servicemen intensify calls for the war to be brought to
:01:52. > :01:55.an end? Here, Lord Prescott has been
:01:55. > :01:59.drawing attention to the absence simultaneously of the Prime
:01:59. > :02:04.Minister, Deputy Prime Minister and Chancellor, saying that it would
:02:04. > :02:07.not have happened when he was in government. He joins us to talk
:02:07. > :02:10.about how the Labour Party is reforming itself and the phone
:02:10. > :02:16.hacking scandal which rumbles on, with the net spreading to other
:02:16. > :02:21.papers. Also this morning, Dominic West, currently starring in the
:02:21. > :02:26.West End, tells me about his specialist subject, self-
:02:26. > :02:35.destructive man. From the cult American series, The Wire, to the
:02:35. > :02:38.BBC's news room drama, The Hour. And there will be music to. The
:02:38. > :02:44.unique sound of Fela Kuti, the Nigerian activist and creator of
:02:44. > :02:49.afrobeat, being brought to life in the theatre. All of that coming up,
:02:49. > :02:53.but first the news. Eight police officers are in
:02:53. > :02:58.hospital, one with head injuries, after violent clashes in North
:02:58. > :03:02.London. Buildings and vehicles were set on fire. Banks and shops have
:03:02. > :03:07.been looted. The violence broke out after a protest against the fatal
:03:07. > :03:10.shooting of a local man by police on Thursday. Andy Moore spent the
:03:10. > :03:15.night in the area and came under attack himself from the rioters.
:03:15. > :03:21.The moment the remains of a double- decker bus exploded on Tottenham
:03:21. > :03:27.High Street. Around it, other buildings on fire. This abandoned
:03:27. > :03:32.police car was attacked with missiles. It was later set alight
:03:32. > :03:39.and two other police cars were also burnt-out. Right police faced
:03:39. > :03:46.masked youths throwing stones and fireworks. -- riot police. Mounted
:03:46. > :03:50.police were used to try to break up the crowds. Several police officers
:03:50. > :03:55.were injured. The rioting followed a peaceful protest march earlier in
:03:55. > :04:00.the day. People were angry about an incident on Thursday when armed
:04:00. > :04:03.police shot dead a local man. The exact circumstances of what
:04:03. > :04:06.happened are being investigated by the Independent Police Complaints
:04:06. > :04:11.Commission. Relationships between them wider community and the police
:04:11. > :04:18.locally a very good. People do business on a daily basis and
:04:18. > :04:23.people live their lives in a peaceful way. Really, there is
:04:23. > :04:27.nothing to underpin the level of violence that we have seen. Some
:04:27. > :04:33.local people said that there was a grievance against the police.
:04:33. > :04:37.Others said the incident was a pretext for writers. -- rioting by
:04:37. > :04:40.local youngsters. Whatever the cause, this has been one of the
:04:40. > :04:43.most serious riots in London for many years.
:04:43. > :04:48.World leaders are trying to deal with the growing financial crisis
:04:48. > :04:53.after the United States lost its AAA credit rating. Last week's
:04:53. > :04:56.trading on the international money market hit its lowest point since
:04:56. > :05:01.2008. Politicians are trying to calm nerves before trading begins
:05:01. > :05:06.again on Monday. David Cameron broken to his holiday to discuss
:05:06. > :05:09.problems and the Eurozone over the phone with Nicolas Sarkosy.
:05:09. > :05:14.David Cameron says his thoughts are with the families of US military
:05:14. > :05:19.personnel killed when their helicopter crashed in Afghanistan.
:05:19. > :05:23.The 31 troops included members of the elite Navy seals unit, who died
:05:23. > :05:26.alongside seven Afghan commanders. The family of a Royal Marine killed
:05:26. > :05:32.in Afghanistan has said how proud it was of him and how he touched
:05:32. > :05:38.the lives of everyone he knew. James Wright, 22, from 42 Commando,
:05:38. > :05:41.was wounded by grenades during a battle. He died later of his
:05:41. > :05:45.injuries. The British Schools exploring
:05:45. > :05:50.Society has announced it is ending its Arctic exploration after an
:05:50. > :05:55.polar bear killed a student. Arrangements are being made to
:05:55. > :05:58.bring home the four people injured when the polar bear attack. The
:05:58. > :06:06.family of Horatio Chapple have described him as strong and kind.
:06:06. > :06:10.But is all for now. -- that is all. Our review of the Sunday papers and
:06:10. > :06:19.a moment but first, writers have taken to the streets of Tottenham
:06:19. > :06:21.in north London. Our reporter is there. What was the atmosphere?
:06:21. > :06:30.Were their problems and the community before last night's
:06:30. > :06:35.writes? They have been some tensions. -- riots. Back on
:06:35. > :06:40.Thursday, police officers from Operation Trident, which
:06:40. > :06:47.concentrates on gun crime, stopped a mini cab in Tottenham. A 29-year-
:06:47. > :06:52.old man was shot, a man called Mark Duggan. That led to some tension.
:06:52. > :06:57.Yesterday, the protests started off peacefully. 120 people marched on
:06:57. > :07:02.the police station. Some time later, it turned violent. Something
:07:02. > :07:09.happens to spark that. At one point, a double-decker bus was set on fire.
:07:09. > :07:15.Three police vehicles were also set on fire. Eight officers were taken
:07:15. > :07:21.to hospital, one of them suffering from head injuries. What is the
:07:21. > :07:24.atmosphere like today? Is this situation ongoing? At the moment,
:07:24. > :07:28.lots of people are coming down to see what is happening, because
:07:28. > :07:32.there are still lots of police. Kent police were here last night.
:07:32. > :07:36.We also have shots from a helicopter which show you the total
:07:36. > :07:42.seen here this morning. There are lots of people looking at what is
:07:42. > :07:49.going on. Lots of bricks on the floor and missiles. Thank you very
:07:49. > :07:53.much. On to the newspapers. On the front pages, the Mail on Sunday
:07:53. > :07:59.continues with that story. Pictures of riots in Tottenham. The Sunday
:07:59. > :08:05.Times, another picture of Tottenham a blaze. Also, the big story for
:08:05. > :08:09.many of us, bank gloom at deepening. We will be talking more about that
:08:09. > :08:15.later. The Independent on Sunday, there is an exclusive in that they
:08:15. > :08:24.have Gordon Brown weighing in: "I blame and, muckle and Sarkozy for
:08:24. > :08:34.the financial crisis," He says. -- Angela Merkel. The Observer lead
:08:34. > :08:36.
:08:36. > :08:40.with a financial crisis. The Sunday Telegraph goes off piste, with a
:08:40. > :08:44.furious battle over the green belt. At least it is something we can
:08:44. > :08:48.maybe do something about. Finally, the Sunday Express with the tragic
:08:48. > :08:52.story which features on the Sunday Telegraph from cover, the picture
:08:52. > :09:00.of Horatio Chapple, the young man tragically killed by a polar bear.
:09:00. > :09:05.The Sunday Express talks about the hero who shot that there. Split-
:09:06. > :09:12.second thinking. I am joined now by Maureen Lipman and Lord Oakeshott.
:09:12. > :09:18.Can we start with you, Lord Oakeshott? What is the story that
:09:18. > :09:25.is catching you arrive? The Big story is the financial crisis. --
:09:25. > :09:31.catching you arrive. The Sunday Times is covering the story. There
:09:31. > :09:34.is an interview there with Vince Cable. He is saying that living
:09:34. > :09:38.standards will be badly hit and it will only change if we get
:09:38. > :09:45.sustainable growth. The argument that is going on is whether tax
:09:45. > :09:50.cuts are the way to do it. Vince Cable says no. He says that there
:09:50. > :09:55.are sensible Cup's on low earners, but there are no free lunches. He
:09:55. > :09:59.says that it needs to involve tax rises for the rich. He says the
:09:59. > :10:05.Bank of England should print more money through quantitative easing,
:10:05. > :10:11.and really getting to grips with bank lending. And he would not want
:10:11. > :10:16.the 50 pence tax rate, which you? - - and you would not want the 50p
:10:16. > :10:20.tax rate, would you? It is not a priority. Incentives work just as
:10:20. > :10:26.much for the bottom as they do for the top. There is no room for tax
:10:27. > :10:32.cuts like that. We have to get more money into the economy and make the
:10:32. > :10:36.banks lend it. The top priority is to get the bank's lending,
:10:36. > :10:42.particularly to small and medium- sized companies. They missed their
:10:42. > :10:46.first target under the project Merlin agreement. But frankly, they
:10:46. > :10:51.could meet that target. We have to start lending. This is not just a
:10:51. > :10:58.summer event. Looking at the situation globally, there is a big
:10:58. > :11:02.situation brewing. There is two aspects to this. I have been a fund
:11:02. > :11:08.manager for 35 years and I lose count of the times we have had
:11:08. > :11:13.over-reaction in the markets. Year after year, and not every year, but
:11:13. > :11:17.every two or three years, there is a panic like this. The serious
:11:17. > :11:21.professionals get in and buy. I was buying shares on Friday morning.
:11:21. > :11:27.I'm sure when we look back, certainly in months and years, we
:11:27. > :11:31.will see that this was a good buying opportunity. A lot of the
:11:31. > :11:35.blame is falling on leadership, saying there is a crisis in the
:11:35. > :11:40.Eurozone. I notice in the Sunday Times it is brought back to the
:11:40. > :11:46.banks. You quote is saying that Bob Diamond lecturing us on damage is
:11:46. > :11:52.like a hit and run driver lecturing us on driving. It was a banking
:11:52. > :11:58.crash, that is how we got into the situation. That is why Vince Cable
:11:58. > :12:00.and the Liberal Democrats and most of the Government are keen that
:12:00. > :12:05.when the commission to reform the Bank's report on the tour for a
:12:05. > :12:11.September, that we then get on with it and reform them once and for all.
:12:11. > :12:19.Has anything changed? Not very much. We've still got bonus of diamonds
:12:19. > :12:23.running Barclays. -- Bob Diamond. He would be better as the manager
:12:23. > :12:33.of a casino. Maureen Lipman, your story is about the man who could
:12:33. > :12:34.
:12:34. > :12:41.possibly do something about it. it? Oh, George and a duck. It is
:12:41. > :12:48.equivalent of a Los Angeles dock. And they are all on holiday.
:12:48. > :12:53.Cameraman Clegg from holiday. Does it matter? -- Cameron and Clegg are
:12:53. > :12:56.on holiday. I am up there with Vince. Perhaps he can sort us out.
:12:56. > :13:00.I do not think it makes much difference if people go on holiday.
:13:00. > :13:09.As a member of the public, how does it make you feel? George Osborne
:13:09. > :13:13.having a whale of the time. I just think it does not matter any more
:13:13. > :13:17.because it is a global world and you sit at your computer in the
:13:17. > :13:24.evening when everybody else is at McDonald's. This is just the page
:13:24. > :13:29.filler. They have given him little bobbles, one of which says "If
:13:29. > :13:34.everyone else is having a double dip, so can I". Frankly, the story
:13:34. > :13:38.is silly. The story is about why they do not rush back from a
:13:38. > :13:44.holiday. People need holidays. Sure, many people in this country cannot
:13:44. > :13:49.afford one. Andrew definitely needed one. This is quite
:13:49. > :13:53.ridiculous. What takes the biscuit is that next to it, Ed Balls is
:13:53. > :13:57.saying that there are no were to be seen and there is a lack of
:13:57. > :14:01.leadership because they are holiday. He has written that see -- that
:14:01. > :14:06.piece from a campsite in the Pyrenees and Ed Miliband is a way
:14:06. > :14:14.as well. Lord Prescott will be on to speak for Ed Balls later on.
:14:14. > :14:19.Tell me about your next story. The dreadful famine in Somalia. It
:14:19. > :14:25.seems to have lost space in the headlines. You mentioned Vince
:14:25. > :14:27.Cable sorting out the economy. I took over Vince Cable's bed in a
:14:27. > :14:35.house in 1968 when we were in our youth working for the Kenyan
:14:35. > :14:41.economy. There is a story and that! I never met him. I have met him
:14:41. > :14:45.since. This is a very serious story in the Independent, which is
:14:45. > :14:50.running an excellent campaign to give a day's pay for Africa. 2
:14:50. > :14:55.million East African infants are starving. The situation is
:14:55. > :15:00.desperate. Even in Kenya, which is pretty rich but very unfair, and
:15:00. > :15:06.there is a lot of famine, today we found a grandfather reading his
:15:06. > :15:09.grandson the last rites. In the midst of all this, our worry that
:15:09. > :15:14.we are a bit poorer, let us keep a sense of perspective and remember
:15:14. > :15:18.that people are starving to death. And when there are situations like
:15:18. > :15:21.the current financial turmoil in Europe, we start talking about
:15:21. > :15:26.overseas development money and cutting that. Is that absolutely
:15:26. > :15:30.something we should continue to ring-fence? I do. I take my hat off
:15:30. > :15:35.to the Conservatives, our partners in the coalition government for
:15:35. > :15:41.this, this is absolutely central. Andrew Mitchell was out and kept me
:15:41. > :15:45.up recently. -- out in Kenya recently. If we needed to save
:15:45. > :15:48.money abroad, we should look seriously at the �4 billion a year
:15:48. > :15:58.we are wasting on a failed campaign to save a failed state in
:15:58. > :16:00.
:16:00. > :16:03.And more of that one later. Maureen. It is how a story like this
:16:03. > :16:08.suddenly takes over and drivers everything else off the headlines.
:16:08. > :16:12.This famine must have been coming for years and years. Why did nobody
:16:12. > :16:17.see it? And also, people don't really know that when they give,
:16:17. > :16:23.and we must all give, where it is going. They don't see the results
:16:23. > :16:31.of this. There is always, Kenya and that part of East Africa are always
:16:31. > :16:35.subject to recurring famines. When I was there from 1968 to 70 they
:16:35. > :16:38.are there. This time we've got total breakdown of Government in
:16:38. > :16:44.Somalia and it is very difficult for the aid agencies to operate.
:16:44. > :16:48.There's a real issue as to whether shoe be operating in Somalia at all.
:16:48. > :16:53.We worked closely with Oxfam. We support Oxfam and they keep us
:16:53. > :17:00.closely in touch with what they are doing. We are probably going there
:17:00. > :17:06.at Christmas to see what's going on. We the next story is about the
:17:06. > :17:12.tragic helicopter crash-shooting? Well, this is madness to camp on a
:17:12. > :17:16.hot spot glacier, says an expert in the Sunday Mirror. Perhaps that is
:17:16. > :17:22.not Afghanistan in that case. I think we are talking about the
:17:22. > :17:28.polar bear incident in Norway. are, poor Norway. Sorry, I thought
:17:28. > :17:35.that was the second one. I was brought up in a family where my
:17:35. > :17:40.family said, "Go slowly when you go upstairs." So you wouldn't have
:17:40. > :17:46.been going off to Norway. Young people, they went off on an
:17:46. > :17:49.adventure of a lifetime, terrible photographs of the young man,
:17:49. > :17:55.Horatio Chapple. Unbearable for the parents and for the school. And
:17:55. > :18:02.there'll be some people in the expedition who will say, why can't
:18:02. > :18:07.we go on? I'm amazed. I would like to keep my 37-year-old and 31-year-
:18:07. > :18:11.old here. I look at my five and six-year-old when I see stories
:18:11. > :18:16.like this and think, you are never leaving the house. But they, will
:18:16. > :18:21.sadly. Save us from our sentimental selves. You are going to talk about
:18:21. > :18:27.the green belt story, which is Sunday Telegraph has gone against
:18:27. > :18:30.the grain with. A headline in the Sunday Telegraph, there's a furious
:18:30. > :18:35.battle over the green belt, with the National Trust and the council
:18:35. > :18:40.for the preservation of Ural England mobilising millions of
:18:40. > :18:46.members against the new planning laws, which to many of us do worry
:18:46. > :18:52.us. They are going too far relaxing planning permission in this country.
:18:52. > :18:59.What the Telegraph are pointing out, under the headline, will Britain
:18:59. > :19:04.remain green and pleasant? Sadly the Minister has accused the
:19:04. > :19:09.National Trust and the campaign of taking part in a left-wing smear
:19:09. > :19:15.campaign, because they involve the new regulations. I don't think I'm
:19:15. > :19:21.meant to smile but I'm smiling. ought to have learnt our lesson
:19:21. > :19:28.when we tried to privatise the Forestry Commission. These from
:19:28. > :19:33.people with genuine concerns. I've heard the National Trust and CPRE
:19:33. > :19:39.call �things but left-wing is another one. Maureen, a last story
:19:39. > :19:43.from you. Sally Bercow is going on Big Brother for a bit of froth.
:19:43. > :19:47.interested interesting choice why. Would she be doing, that Maureen,
:19:47. > :19:53.with a husband who I think was campaigning for less trivialisation
:19:53. > :19:57.in politics. That's true. I think she likes publicity. I think she's
:19:57. > :20:02.a feisty woman. I'm the person who told Chris big begins not to go on
:20:02. > :20:06.Celebrity and he won, so I shouldn't really be bringing this
:20:06. > :20:12.story up. What's interesting about this to me is there always has to
:20:12. > :20:16.be a terrible, bombastic, wicked woman or the programme doesn't work.
:20:16. > :20:22.Television now is all about conflict. We have enough conflict
:20:22. > :20:26.in our life without television. Sally keeps putting her head above
:20:26. > :20:32.the parapet. Jackie O didn't in her lifetime but it seems there was a
:20:32. > :20:38.lot more going on pine the scenes. She said, "I took drugs, cheated
:20:38. > :20:42.with a movie star and I believe LBJ killed JFK" and that is going to be
:20:42. > :20:47.a programme on American television. She says she wanted the truth to
:20:47. > :20:53.come out. I suspect she really didn't and that some money is being
:20:53. > :20:58.made by the family. The truth will always out. I don't know about
:20:58. > :21:05.killing JFK but I think she's entitled to cheat with a movie star
:21:05. > :21:12.or two given what we know now that JFK was cheating too.
:21:12. > :21:15.Thank you. Now the weather. Let's find out whether the slate grey
:21:15. > :21:21.find out whether the slate grey skys have dissipated. Good morning
:21:21. > :21:26.to you. It will improve temporarily over the next couple of days as a
:21:27. > :21:31.ridge of high pressure builds in. There's a Met Office amber warning
:21:31. > :21:35.for rain in the eastern part of Scotland. There could be localised
:21:35. > :21:39.flooding today. For Scotland it is cloudy and wet. Heavy downpours of
:21:39. > :21:43.rain here. For the rest of us there'll be spells of sunshine,
:21:43. > :21:47.also showers. These could be heavy and thundery for Wales and south-
:21:47. > :21:51.western England. Feeling cool for the time of year. Temperatures in
:21:51. > :21:55.the teens. Overnight there'll be rain for a time in Scotland. That
:21:55. > :22:01.will fade away. Thundery showers affecting southern coasts of the
:22:01. > :22:05.counties of England. Otherwise mainly dry by dawn. A mild night.
:22:05. > :22:12.Temperatures in double figures. Monday, a cloudy and grey start to
:22:12. > :22:18.the day. More cloud than brightness for northern England, Northern
:22:18. > :22:23.Ireland and Scotland. There'll be a brisk breeze in England and Wales.
:22:23. > :22:33.Temperatures peaking at 20-21. Bright skies on Tuesday. Rain
:22:33. > :22:35.
:22:35. > :22:37.pushing into northern parts of the Fela Kuti was one of the top names
:22:37. > :22:41.on the world music scene - a Nigerian musician and political
:22:41. > :22:43.activist who created a unique sound and used it to rail against state
:22:43. > :22:46.corruption and violence in his country. His life story has been
:22:46. > :22:49.transformed into a sizzling stage show, which has already triumphed
:22:49. > :22:52.on Broadway and is now a hit in London. Fela! The musical explores
:22:52. > :22:55.the origins of Afrobeat, but is also a journey into the heart of
:22:55. > :22:57.Nigeria, its turbulent post- Colonial history and the abuses
:22:57. > :23:01.which Fela Kuti condemned so searingly in his music and lyrics.
:23:01. > :23:04.His critics say that Fela, who died in 1997, was a womanising, sexist
:23:04. > :23:06.drug abuser with a continental- sized ego. His supporters say he
:23:06. > :23:16.inspired Nigerians and Africans generally to challenge the powerful
:23:16. > :23:18.
:23:18. > :23:28.and corrupt. I'm joined now by Sahr Ngaujah, who plays Fela onstage,
:23:28. > :23:32.and the DJ Rita Ray, an authority on the life and times of Fela Kuti.
:23:32. > :23:37.You've been playing this man for five years, first on Broadway and
:23:37. > :23:42.now in the UK. Were you initially daunted in taking on the life story
:23:42. > :23:46.of such a legendary character? was really honoured to have the
:23:46. > :23:50.opportunity. And, of course, he means so much to so many people
:23:50. > :23:55.around the world. Particularly to Africans. Of course it was
:23:56. > :24:04.something I didn't take lightly. I gave as much energy as I could into
:24:04. > :24:11.every aspect that I was able to - every aspect of Fela's life I was
:24:11. > :24:15.able to access in my developmental process. Rita, tell me a bit about
:24:15. > :24:21.Afrobeat A way, his creation of it was the combination of his life
:24:21. > :24:25.experiences wasn't it, in terms of his travel and so on? Well,
:24:25. > :24:30.musically, Afrobeat, for me, one of the most extraordinary things about
:24:30. > :24:38.it is that Fela Kuti was one of the few people to actually create a new
:24:39. > :24:43.genre of music, his own genre of music. Afrobeat is the synthesis of
:24:43. > :24:52.rhythms, Ghanaian high life and funk. He welded it together, but
:24:52. > :24:56.that was to support his vision, his indictment of Nigerian,
:24:56. > :25:01.international politics. He was an agitator. And that was all the
:25:01. > :25:05.effect, he lived in London for a time studying music, he was
:25:05. > :25:12.interest jazz and he went to America wand and was politicised
:25:12. > :25:17.there. Absolutely, and he used all of this in his music. Fela Kuti was
:25:17. > :25:24.very much his music. The way he railed against the governments, the
:25:24. > :25:30.way he pushed his own society, his own people, to wake up and look at
:25:30. > :25:36.what you've got. Enjoy what you've got. It was a brilliant mix of art,
:25:36. > :25:41.fun and social agitation. People flocked, didn't they, to his
:25:41. > :25:45.nightclub in Lagos. Absolutely. All types of people flocked to his
:25:45. > :25:52.nightclub. The young people were drawn to him. As you would find in
:25:52. > :25:56.any society or culture, people, when kids are growing up, they
:25:56. > :26:02.gravitate towards the things where people say, don't listen to that
:26:02. > :26:08.guy, don't go his way, but they did. Even politicians used to sneak into
:26:08. > :26:13.it because they could identify with it. It was the only place you would
:26:13. > :26:18.find all types of people - prostitutes, politicians, students
:26:18. > :26:24.and intellectuals. They got there together and enjoyed a free space.
:26:24. > :26:31.It was incredible. What about his politics? Was he a one-man band? He
:26:31. > :26:37.seemed to be a maverick, he set up his own state in his home compound
:26:37. > :26:42.in Lagos. Was he one voice against the generals? To a large degree. He
:26:42. > :26:48.was a part of a movement but when we talk about that movement, I
:26:48. > :26:53.think it exfoonds a more global situation. Or -- expands to a more
:26:53. > :26:59.global situation. Or in Fela's world, to a pan African situation.
:26:59. > :27:06.What was going on in Nigeria at the time, there was a lot of repression
:27:06. > :27:12.and fella was one who was bold -- and Fela was one who was bold
:27:12. > :27:21.enough to stand up against it. we in danger of overmyth oljizing
:27:21. > :27:31.him? He was accused of being a womaniser. His mother though was a
:27:31. > :27:35.
:27:35. > :27:38.feminist. Was he rebelling against? This is an interesting conversation.
:27:38. > :27:42.Overknit ologisi nirksgfrpblgts put into context he was a rock star.
:27:42. > :27:46.When we talk about the latest headlines from anybody in the music
:27:46. > :27:51.industry, what is it? It is sensationalism and it is also
:27:51. > :27:57.something that actually happened. How do we deal with that? It
:27:57. > :28:02.depends on each individual's compass. He married 27 wives for
:28:02. > :28:07.example. 26 of those 27 were from polygamous families. In this
:28:07. > :28:12.society, when we talk about polygamy there's a cultural thing
:28:12. > :28:18.where we say if it is a polygamist society who is a misogynist and who
:28:18. > :28:22.is doing what? It is a different culture. In the end he divorced
:28:22. > :28:27.them all, saying marriage was about selfishness. Tell us about the song
:28:27. > :28:33.you are going to sing at the end of the show, international thief thief.
:28:33. > :28:39.Yes, ITT, it was one of the first songs I discovered as a young child.
:28:39. > :28:46.In Africa, when someone steals something in a community, if you
:28:46. > :28:50.see someone stealing you chase them and you call them thief, "Thief,
:28:50. > :28:55.thief, thief." They would chase people out of villages and towns.
:28:55. > :29:00.So this is a song about thieving on a grander, a political scale.
:29:00. > :29:04.international scale. International Thief Thief, as the song is called.
:29:04. > :29:06.Sahr Ngaujah and Rita Ray, thank you very much.
:29:06. > :29:09.In a few weeks' time, Ed Miliband will celebrate his first
:29:09. > :29:12.anniversary as Labour leader. His MPs were pleased with his
:29:12. > :29:15.performance over the phone hacking saga, so will that embolden him to
:29:15. > :29:18.push through new policies and reforms to the party? There's talk,
:29:18. > :29:21.for example, of moves to curb the influence of the trade unions,
:29:21. > :29:24.which could cause a fight at the party conference next month. I'm
:29:24. > :29:31.joined now by someone who's been round that particular course before,
:29:31. > :29:36.the former deputy leader, Lord Prescott. Welcome. Good morning.
:29:36. > :29:40.Lovely to have you here. Arguably, Ed Miliband's handling of the phone
:29:40. > :29:44.hacking scandal has been his finest hour to date. He even got the
:29:44. > :29:48.public inquiry he was campaigning for. Do you think, in terms of that
:29:48. > :29:52.whole phone hacking scandal, the truth is finally going to out?
:29:52. > :29:56.I think it is. When I was told by the police for a couple of years
:29:56. > :30:02.there was no phone hacking of my messages, I didn't believe them and
:30:02. > :30:06.went to the courts. Now we have a new inquiry by the Assistant
:30:06. > :30:11.Commissioner. She apologised to me and said there were 44 taps. So why
:30:11. > :30:17.did they ignore all that evidence? I'm glad we've got an inquiry which
:30:17. > :30:21.Ed called for. He's identified what he thinks his job is with the
:30:21. > :30:29.Labour Party, to look at the vested interests of power and make change.
:30:29. > :30:35.Reform is very much associated with I know you are very critical of the
:30:35. > :30:39.police investigation. This week, with Heather Mills' allegations,
:30:39. > :30:44.further proof that the Met goes wider. I have always thought it
:30:44. > :30:49.wider than that. -- than that. You have to look at what the
:30:49. > :30:53.commissioner said in 2008 when the information commissioner looked at
:30:53. > :30:56.all of this tapping. He found that there were 30 papers, 300
:30:56. > :31:01.journalists and hundreds of thousands of pounds being paid out.
:31:01. > :31:06.We ignored that evidence and we are now living with the consequences of
:31:06. > :31:10.what has gone on. There has been an inquiry and the Press Complaints
:31:10. > :31:14.Commission has got to be reformed. Pretty useless under the previous
:31:14. > :31:19.commissions. We have got the inquiry and we now have something
:31:19. > :31:23.that means it will no longer be business as usual, whether for the
:31:23. > :31:29.press or the police and the relationship between those two.
:31:29. > :31:35.Fundamental reform is on the way. You mentioned the Press Complaints
:31:35. > :31:45.Commission and the ruthlessness of them and their approach. -- to
:31:45. > :31:48.
:31:48. > :31:51.ruthlessness. How should the system be reformed? We lost the
:31:51. > :31:55.opportunity in 2009. The press fought against an independent body.
:31:55. > :32:00.We compromised and said, OK, if you think you can do it with self
:32:00. > :32:05.regulation, we will see. We have now got the answer to that. They
:32:05. > :32:13.need to have a form of regulated body. What sort of regulation?
:32:13. > :32:18.1997, we said we needed a body that was independent. They can have
:32:18. > :32:22.editors on it, but not too many. The others were like puppets on a
:32:22. > :32:27.string. We can have an independent body with some form of sanction,
:32:27. > :32:30.and the requirement to consult with it. We cannot have the one that was
:32:30. > :32:35.totally controlled in a self regulatory manner. We need to go
:32:35. > :32:39.back to what was proposed in 1997. I think we can build on that
:32:39. > :32:46.structure. We need a proper balance between the issue of public and
:32:46. > :32:52.private interests, with the editors -- which the editors have totally
:32:52. > :32:58.ignored. Would she be auditioning for that role? -- would you be.
:32:58. > :33:02.That would be throwing the cat among the pigeons! Just asking.
:33:02. > :33:07.Talking of Ed Miliband, he had success with the hacking scandal,
:33:07. > :33:12.but it was very much regarded as about time. He needed to put a
:33:12. > :33:18.success under his belt. Up until this issue blew up, he did not have
:33:18. > :33:21.much to talk about. He has only been in the job 12 months, and you
:33:21. > :33:24.will all the sudden want him transformed! He is the leader of
:33:24. > :33:32.the Labour Party and he wants to make change. He stands for reform,
:33:32. > :33:35.and it will take in more than a week. He is talking about reform of
:33:35. > :33:40.that trade unions and in the areas of energy pricing, supermarkets,
:33:40. > :33:45.all these areas. All these areas were concentrated power is working
:33:45. > :33:49.against ordinary people. Let us talk about power working against
:33:49. > :33:57.the people. He seems to be turning his gaze next to the unions. Is
:33:57. > :34:02.that an issue that needs to be looked at? Euro was involved in it.
:34:02. > :34:07.-- you are always involved. What do you mean? One-man, one-vote was
:34:07. > :34:13.sometimes ago. The glory days. was an argument about the block
:34:13. > :34:16.vote and constituency members. That argument continues now, whether it
:34:16. > :34:22.is in the conference or in policy- making. Those arguments are still
:34:22. > :34:25.to be done. Ed Miliband has set up a rewarding at the party conference,
:34:25. > :34:28.involving the can as trade unions - - trade unions and the
:34:28. > :34:33.constituencies. There is a feeling that perhaps the power of the trade
:34:33. > :34:38.unions has been loaded against the constituencies. When I stood for
:34:38. > :34:42.treasurer, I got 63% of the votes of the constituency and hardly
:34:42. > :34:45.anything from the unions because three or four general secretaries
:34:45. > :34:50.decided that I would not be the one, and therefore, they did not ballot
:34:50. > :34:59.their members. So you would support a reduction in the vote in terms of
:34:59. > :35:07.the conference? I think the debate should go on. The debate has to
:35:07. > :35:11.come to a conclusion. 90% of Labour spending comes from the unions.
:35:11. > :35:15.conclusion will come at conference. That is the constitution. Miliband
:35:15. > :35:23.will have to put these and arguments for it. The conference
:35:23. > :35:26.will make a decision. These are constitutional changes. There --
:35:26. > :35:30.they are always controversial. But he is a man of reform and he is
:35:30. > :35:33.making headway. One of the things the general public have made clear,
:35:33. > :35:37.relating to the phone hacking scandal, is that they do not want
:35:37. > :35:41.their political leaders to be in thrall to anybody, not to media
:35:41. > :35:45.barons and certainly not to the trade unions. With 90% of the
:35:45. > :35:49.Labour Party funding coming from trade unions, turkeys do not vote
:35:49. > :35:53.for Christmas. Are the unions going to be taking part in their own
:35:53. > :35:58.decline of power? I heard that when we had one man, one vote, and we
:35:58. > :36:04.had a vote and the party decided it wanted the change and changed the
:36:04. > :36:07.block voting. It is not entirely in our area, these changes. There is a
:36:07. > :36:11.standards report looking at the financing of individual members of
:36:12. > :36:16.political parties. That will raise some controversial issues about
:36:16. > :36:20.political levy-paying members. Reforms are coming from other areas
:36:20. > :36:24.but Ed Miliband is trying to encompass it in a modern party in
:36:24. > :36:29.modern circumstances, and is making some headway. Is he in the country?
:36:29. > :36:34.You have been tweeting about the absence of some other politicians.
:36:34. > :36:41.It is unbelievable. Every August for 10 years, people think all this
:36:41. > :36:45.is a quiet time. We had the tsunami and I had the Omagh bombing and the
:36:45. > :36:48.terrorist attacks. All of those at occured on my watch. No wonder they
:36:48. > :36:54.are not leaving you in charge any more! You are a magnet for
:36:55. > :36:58.disasters! What Tony and I did, we had all the ministers giving us our
:36:58. > :37:02.holiday times and we insisted there was a senior minister about at all
:37:02. > :37:07.the time. I had one Junior Minister say he could do it from Cornwall
:37:07. > :37:14.and I said that he could not. Get up here, I want a full team sitting
:37:14. > :37:18.Cabinet discussing the issues. Those crisis can be handled. --
:37:18. > :37:23.crises. How does George Osborne have a telephone call in the middle
:37:23. > :37:26.of the night talking about a crisis?! I have just heard a
:37:26. > :37:32.Liberal Democrat, spokesman for Vince Cable, say there is no crisis.
:37:32. > :37:36.I do not know what will he is living in. We get the message, John
:37:36. > :37:40.Prescott. George Osborne is probably hoping that any disaster
:37:40. > :37:44.happened on the American side of the timeline. -- any disasters
:37:44. > :37:50.happen. Dominic West is one of the biggest
:37:50. > :37:53.names in television today. From The Wire to The Hour, he has displayed
:37:53. > :37:59.versatility and watch ability on screen, as an utterly believable
:37:59. > :38:04.alter more detective or as a suave BBC presenter from the Fifties. --
:38:04. > :38:08.Baltimore detective. I caught up with him recently between
:38:08. > :38:13.performances of Buckley, a play from 1971, which has been revived
:38:13. > :38:18.to great acclaim in the West End. I began by asking him whether the
:38:18. > :38:27.humour has dated over 40 years. What is interesting is that so many
:38:27. > :38:35.of the jokes about class and the less PC jokes would have been
:38:35. > :38:45.greeted with great hilarity in the Seventies and are greeted with a
:38:45. > :38:51.sort-of gobsmacked tittering now. Do you want a smack? For quickly,
:38:51. > :38:55.but not permanently. Do you want to come back. No. We have cleared up
:38:55. > :38:59.that then. I think we will get on very well from now on. He is a
:38:59. > :39:05.brilliant guy, a Professor of English literature who can only
:39:05. > :39:09.read Beatrix Potter. He is burnt out. I was the ideal guide to play
:39:09. > :39:15.it. He is not very likeable. think he is likeable. What you like
:39:15. > :39:20.about him two I think he is funny. -- What do you like about him? I
:39:20. > :39:27.think he is funny and damaged. What do Tom and Reg have to do with ask?
:39:27. > :39:34.He has asked me to marry him. won? You look like you're enjoying
:39:34. > :39:41.playing comedy. Yes, yeah. It is not your usual bent. No. No one
:39:41. > :39:44.ever asks me to do comedy. I do not understand why. I want to talk to
:39:44. > :39:50.you about The Hour. Obviously, you cannot have a drama about current
:39:50. > :39:56.affairs that does not include some romance, and there is romance in
:39:56. > :39:59.The Hour, your relation with Romola Garai. Also, interesting
:39:59. > :40:05.juxtaposition of stereotypes, because you play the slightly dim
:40:05. > :40:14.but handsome news reader and she is the ambitious, sexually predatory
:40:14. > :40:20.producer. Yeah. Tell me about your relationship. Her character's
:40:20. > :40:25.flirtation with my character is doomed, I think, and it is purely
:40:25. > :40:35.based on physicality. You seem very bright this morning. I had a great
:40:35. > :40:38.
:40:38. > :40:47.night. I did not sleep a wink. extraordinary. Neither did I. Miss
:40:47. > :40:54.Rowley. Audacious. The papers are run. -- are in. The Telegraph, the
:40:54. > :40:56.male, all leading with the story. How different is it making a
:40:56. > :41:01.programme like that to making a proper run like The Wire in
:41:01. > :41:05.Baltimore? Is at a difference of budget or scale? That is the
:41:05. > :41:10.difference at the British TV and American TV. It is money. --
:41:10. > :41:18.between British TV and American TV. The Wire was shot for six months
:41:18. > :41:26.but the hour -- The Hour is only three or four. In terms of the
:41:26. > :41:30.writer Ian King, The Hour is the same as The Wire. -- the writer Ian
:41:30. > :41:33.King. When you went to Baltimore, was a Taoiseach? One of the things
:41:33. > :41:40.that was so striking was that it was a part of the underbelly of
:41:40. > :41:46.America but we never see. remember going around the Houses
:41:46. > :41:54.and the bad neighbourhoods, actually really lovely Houses under
:41:54. > :42:00.a beautiful blue sky, and the producers and the writers saying,
:42:00. > :42:06.isn't this awful? I was saying, God, you should see Sheffield. Some of
:42:06. > :42:11.inner-city Britain, I don't know, a blue sky can do a lot for a place.
:42:11. > :42:16.I was not shocked in that way, but I suppose I was shocked by the
:42:16. > :42:20.amount of drugs and the amount of guns. You're one of the very few
:42:20. > :42:27.actors that say that fame is great and you enjoy it, maybe because it
:42:27. > :42:32.has crept up slowly. Do you still feel that to be the case? I do. I
:42:32. > :42:38.am at a certain level which is very manageable. Most people do not care.
:42:38. > :42:42.Just a few people, usually who watch The Wire, they tend to be
:42:42. > :42:46.quite nice people and I like talking to them. I am at a good
:42:46. > :42:51.level. Any more and I think it would be a pain. Any less, there
:42:51. > :42:58.are no perks. I feel that there is nautical ever written about me that
:42:58. > :43:03.is not prefixed with "Gravelly voiced blonde." I think there's no
:43:03. > :43:10.article about you that does not mention you been an old Etonian.
:43:10. > :43:14.would rather be a gravelly voiced blonde! Gravelly faced?! Thank
:43:14. > :43:19.you(!) Have you ever imagine that your parents' choice of school
:43:19. > :43:23.would continue to define you two decades afterwards? It is
:43:23. > :43:27.extraordinary. It is the only thing...The response will you do
:43:27. > :43:34.not. It is the byline, it is what will be written. It is not written
:43:34. > :43:42.about anyone -- any other school. Readers are interested. Everyone, I
:43:42. > :43:50.think, in acting, has to overcome people's idea of them in terms of
:43:50. > :43:56.typecasting. Everybody does. And that is my worry. Dr me about
:43:56. > :44:03.playing the ago. Have you always hankered after that? That self-
:44:03. > :44:09.destructiveness, also the futility. He is mean in the same way that
:44:09. > :44:13.Berkeley is, with no result in the end. Well, I do not think that is
:44:13. > :44:20.really what attracted me to either character. They both have in common,
:44:20. > :44:27.for me, the fact that they make doing bad and evil, they make it
:44:27. > :44:33.sort of sexy and fun and likeable. In spite of how destructive hitters.
:44:33. > :44:38.That is delicious to play. I think I'm going to play him exactly like
:44:38. > :44:44.I am playing Buckley in many ways, but this character is the king of
:44:44. > :44:49.that. I have not seen too many, but I think his language is gorgeous.
:44:49. > :44:55.He is not merely as articulate as Othello, but his language is
:44:55. > :45:05.amazing and his deviousness, I just love his grinning, when he is
:45:05. > :45:05.
:45:05. > :45:09.I know you have also embarked on playing Fred West, qirt a
:45:09. > :45:14.controversial choice. Some people horrified that he was going to be
:45:14. > :45:19.brought to the screen. Why did you choose to play him? The short
:45:19. > :45:23.answer is I thought the script was great. It is quite a responsibility,
:45:23. > :45:29.isn't it, to take on a real character like that? Absolutely, so
:45:29. > :45:34.I had obviously to clear it in my own mind, the moral question of
:45:35. > :45:39.whether these monsters should be brought back into the public eye. I
:45:39. > :45:44.did so through long talks with the producers, who referenced the
:45:44. > :45:49.sister of one of his victims, who wrote an article for the Guardian
:45:49. > :45:54.shortly after he committed suicide, saying this case should never be
:45:54. > :46:00.forgotten and that the problem, far from going away, is getting worse,
:46:00. > :46:05.and these things should always be discussed. I think drama is a very
:46:05. > :46:13.good way of discussing that. I think what people are horrified of
:46:13. > :46:18.is the idea that he should be portrayed in a pornographic or a
:46:18. > :46:20.horror format. I think if it is good drama, I think that's a
:46:20. > :46:26.perfectly legitimate thing to do. It is a very important thing to do
:46:26. > :46:31.and it is one of the functions of drama. The actor Dominic West
:46:31. > :46:34.talking to me yesterday. And now I'm joined by the Foreign Office
:46:34. > :46:37.Minister with responsibility for the Middle East and Afghanistan,
:46:38. > :46:43.Alistair Burt. Let's start with who exactly is in charge of the
:46:43. > :46:46.Government. I know we live in a technological age, but with
:46:47. > :46:50.photographs in the newspapers of the Prime Minister playing ten in
:46:50. > :46:57.this Tuscany, and pictures of the Chancellor, George Osborne,
:46:57. > :47:01.visiting theme parks in California, there's a sense of who is in charge,
:47:01. > :47:04.with �150 billion being wiped off the British share market. The Prime
:47:04. > :47:09.Minister is always in charge, wherever he might be. You are right
:47:09. > :47:13.in saying that, technologically, you can be in contact anywhere.
:47:13. > :47:17.These people, Prime Ministers, presidents and Charles, are in
:47:17. > :47:20.different countries anyway, and keeping in contact. The Foreign
:47:20. > :47:24.Secretary is here in the UK. There's a sense, I'm a member of
:47:25. > :47:28.the general public, you feel like you need general reassurance, the
:47:29. > :47:33.markets are in turmoil, isn't there a case for the Prime Minister, if
:47:33. > :47:38.not coming home to reassure people, at least making an appearance? It
:47:38. > :47:43.is not a silly season scare, this is a real crisis. No, it is not a
:47:43. > :47:48.silly season scare, but, as your guest said, there is always a call
:47:48. > :47:53.from the opposition to say where is the Government's leaders. The Prime
:47:53. > :47:56.Minister is in constant contact, so is the foreign secy. There are
:47:56. > :48:03.plenty of statements being made about what reassurance can be given,
:48:03. > :48:08.it is a serious issue. But to say that they are not in touch... John
:48:09. > :48:13.Prescott, if he thought he was in charge because Tony Blair and
:48:13. > :48:23.Alastair Campbell were out of the country, he was the only time he
:48:23. > :48:25.
:48:25. > :48:30.did. He did take a bit of time off for co Question Time didn't he. --
:48:30. > :48:37.for croquet didn't he? Can we expect to see face to face meetings
:48:37. > :48:40.in the next few days, perhaps a G7 summit followed bay G8? It is
:48:40. > :48:44.possible, and the Chancellor of the Exchequer would certainly be there.
:48:44. > :48:49.It is important that the eurozone countries deliver on the agreement
:48:49. > :48:52.they made in July, in term of the bail-out in relation to Greece.
:48:52. > :48:56.They've got deliver on what they said. Secondly, individual
:48:56. > :48:59.countries have got to show they've got the same sense of commitment to
:48:59. > :49:02.the measures necessary in their own countries to reduce their debt and
:49:02. > :49:07.restructure their economies. That's got to be done by them. Thirdly, we
:49:07. > :49:10.do all recognise this is something that does have an effect on us,
:49:10. > :49:16.even though we've been in a different position, largely because
:49:17. > :49:23.of the steps we took when we became the Government last year. We do
:49:23. > :49:26.talk about annus and them situation, Britain described as a safe hav
:49:27. > :49:31.almost like a by-stander, but what happens in the eurozone has a
:49:31. > :49:34.direct impact on what happens in the UK? It does, there is no doubt
:49:34. > :49:39.about that, but our ability to influence that is limited. It has
:49:39. > :49:42.to be done with international action. You see, that makes me
:49:42. > :49:45.nervous as soon as you say "limited". We have to recognise
:49:45. > :49:48.what happens in other countries is very much a matter for them. What
:49:48. > :49:51.happens in eurozone countries, these are decisions they have to
:49:51. > :49:55.take, just as the United States has to take. Again it is important,
:49:55. > :49:58.when we came into office, Standard & Poor's, the credit rating agency
:49:58. > :50:03.which just issued its position on the United States, they had the
:50:03. > :50:07.United Kingdom at the time of the last leeks on what's they called a
:50:07. > :50:11.negative outlook on its credit rating. They were thinking of
:50:11. > :50:16.dropping it. By October, when we introduced the budget and said this
:50:16. > :50:21.is what we are going to do, they removed that negative remark and
:50:21. > :50:26.said that was fine. We all have to make sure we get out of this, and
:50:26. > :50:32.it is important that we do, but it is worth thinking where we were and
:50:32. > :50:37.how we are now. There is no magic bullet. Will it be hard but we must
:50:37. > :50:43.stick to the course we've set. public probably feel they are
:50:43. > :50:47.working hard. It doesn't help when they see pictures of the Government
:50:47. > :50:52.enjoying far-flung places. Let's turn to Afghanistan and this
:50:52. > :50:55.dreadful helicopter. It has been called by many newspapers as
:50:55. > :50:58.shootdown by the Taliban rather than a crash. That must be deeply
:50:59. > :51:05.alarming, because it didn't happen in the south of the country, where
:51:05. > :51:09.we are fighting, it happened in Wardak, not far from Kabul. It's
:51:09. > :51:13.been a tragedy. At the moment the investigation's not complete. It is
:51:13. > :51:16.not possible to say precisely what happened. However it happened, the
:51:16. > :51:20.loss of so many forces a matter of deep regret. The Prime Minister
:51:20. > :51:23.issued a statement yesterday about this. It is terribly sad. It shows
:51:23. > :51:26.the commitment that the United States and ourselves and the Afghan
:51:26. > :51:32.community and the Afghan soldiers are making to try and make their
:51:32. > :51:34.country safer and secure for the future. We will go on. The
:51:34. > :51:40.determination of both the United States, ourselves and the people of
:51:40. > :51:43.Afghanistan to make their country secure for the future is
:51:43. > :51:47.undiminished by an incident like this. It reminds us of the cost.
:51:47. > :51:51.Don't you think this could be the final straw, particularly for the
:51:51. > :51:56.American public, who are already desperately weary of this war, the
:51:56. > :52:02.sense of the few tilt of it. If they hear something like this,
:52:02. > :52:07.which could well be a Taliban victory, so to speak, so close to
:52:07. > :52:10.the capital, Kabul? It is hard and its impact shouldn't be diminished,
:52:10. > :52:15.but at the same time there are other things going on which shows
:52:15. > :52:21.the progress made. Provinces are going on to transition, where the
:52:21. > :52:24.Afghan forces take control of their own areas. That is proceedings. In
:52:24. > :52:29.Helmand, that that too is moving towards a transition where Afghan
:52:29. > :52:31.forces are taking over their own security. There is work going on on
:52:31. > :52:36.political reconciliation, work on constitutional development.
:52:36. > :52:40.There'll be set-waxment -- set- backs, but it is important to
:52:40. > :52:45.balance it with the other good work that's being done. That's why
:52:45. > :52:53.ourselves, and the United States, are committed to helping the Afghan
:52:53. > :52:57.people beyond 2015, when our combat troops will have left. If you see
:52:57. > :53:01.Afghanistan moving forward, another open-ended conflict is what's going
:53:01. > :53:08.on in Libya. That seems very much to be in a state of stalemate, as
:53:08. > :53:14.described by the chairman of the Commons Foreign Affairs Committee
:53:14. > :53:21.Richard Ottaway. Do you see it as a stalemate? No, we see it as steady
:53:21. > :53:26.progress being made. All the time the regime is being degraded. I've
:53:26. > :53:29.been in Abu Dhabi and Istanbul for the two contact group meetings with
:53:29. > :53:33.the Foreign Secretary recently, to see the commitment of other nations,
:53:33. > :53:39.who know that Gaddafi was a bad example of Arab Government, of
:53:39. > :53:43.north African Government. They want to see him gone, to see civilians
:53:43. > :53:48.protected. Our determination to do that is clear. Everyone wants to
:53:48. > :53:52.see him gone, it seems, yet he doesn't seem to be going anywhere.
:53:53. > :53:54.He is still es konsed in Tripoli. What further initiatives can we
:53:54. > :53:58.have? We've recognised the transitional Government now. Is it
:53:58. > :54:03.possible to unfreeze some of Libya's assets in order to fund
:54:03. > :54:07.them, to buy arms? It seems that something has to move that
:54:07. > :54:12.situation forward. It's a question of being patient and persistent.
:54:12. > :54:18.The work will go on to ensure that the Gaddafi regime is less likely
:54:18. > :54:22.to attack its own people, which it is still doing. That could stop
:54:22. > :54:28.tomorrow if Gaddafi would do that. The work to support the
:54:28. > :54:33.transitional will go on. There's a legal question about unfreezing
:54:33. > :54:36.assets. The UN is involved. A Special Envoy is being created by
:54:36. > :54:40.the Secretary-General to see negotiation, to see parents
:54:40. > :54:45.possible to get a political settlement. But it can only come
:54:45. > :54:49.when there was a ceasefire, when Gaddafi's troops stop killing. He
:54:49. > :54:54.does of course have to be out of the way. It is not just Gaddafi's
:54:54. > :55:01.troops that are killing. There is news about Syria that Bashar al-
:55:01. > :55:05.Assad's troops are moving in on another troop. We seem to be
:55:05. > :55:09.incapacityed to do anything but give him warnings. Ban Ki-Moon has
:55:09. > :55:13.spoken to al-Assad. Syria is appalling and it is deeply
:55:13. > :55:17.frustrating to have to watch what is going on. But again, things are
:55:17. > :55:22.happening there. We've been at the forefront in terms of EU sanctions
:55:22. > :55:25.on key figures responsible for the violence. We helped to get the UN
:55:25. > :55:29.presidential statement last week. Interestingly over the last 24
:55:29. > :55:34.hours a statement by the Gulf countries, the first time a group
:55:34. > :55:39.of Arab nations have said this really has to stop. Briefly, could
:55:39. > :55:44.Syria be slipping into civil war? It is difficult to say. What is
:55:44. > :55:51.clear is the regime is intent on killing its own people and that
:55:51. > :55:55.must stop. Alistair Burt, thank you. Now over to Naga Munchetty for the
:55:55. > :55:57.headlines. Eight police officers are in
:55:57. > :56:00.hospital, one with head injuries, after violent clashes in north
:56:00. > :56:03.London. Buildings and vehicles, including police cars and a double-
:56:03. > :56:06.decker bus, were set on fire, and banks and shops were looted. The
:56:06. > :56:11.violence broke out in Tottenham, after a protest against the fatal
:56:11. > :56:13.shooting of a local man by police on Thursday. World leaders are
:56:13. > :56:18.trying to deal with a growing financial crisis after the United
:56:18. > :56:21.States lost its AAA credit rating. Last week's trading on the
:56:21. > :56:23.international money markets hit its lowest point since 2008, and
:56:23. > :56:26.politicians are trying to calm nerves before trading starts again
:56:26. > :56:29.on Monday. David Cameron broke into his holiday to discuss the US
:56:29. > :56:38.downgrade and problems in the eurozone over the phone with the
:56:38. > :56:42.French President, Nicolas Sarkozy. That's all from me for now. The
:56:42. > :56:49.next news on BBC One is at midday. Back to Mariella in a moment, but
:56:49. > :56:53.first a look at what's coming up after this show. Today on Sunday
:56:53. > :56:58.Morning Live, one of those responsible for the death of Baby P
:56:58. > :57:01.is released early. Is that a crime in itself? Or is it good British
:57:01. > :57:06.justice? Who knows best how to bring up your
:57:06. > :57:11.kids - you or the Government? And we'll be hearing from an exorcist
:57:11. > :57:14.on how the devil can make you di aicted to drink or drugs.
:57:14. > :57:18.Well, we're nearly out of time. I hope you enjoyed the show. And with
:57:18. > :57:21.our leaders away, we thought we'd all have a play. The team here are
:57:21. > :57:25.taking a break for the next three weeks. But Andrew Marr will be back,
:57:25. > :57:28.for the new season, on the 4th of September. So do join him then, but
:57:28. > :57:31.for now, enjoy the rest of the summer and we leave you with the
:57:31. > :57:34.stars of Fela! The musical, and a number called International Thief
:57:34. > :57:44.Thief. It's 25 minutes long in its original form, but it's a bit
:57:44. > :57:47.
:57:47. > :57:53.shorter this morning. Goodbye. # There are little thieves and big
:57:53. > :57:56.things, I've seen the future # We can confront these criminals
:57:56. > :58:02.wherever they are in the world # You'll be the one
:58:02. > :58:06.# Set this world on fire # We must think of our destiny
:58:06. > :58:12.# We must take our destiny into our own hands
:58:12. > :58:19.# Now, the time is now # The future is now
:58:19. > :58:29.# We are going to fight them # We go fight them
:58:29. > :58:34.
:58:34. > :58:41.# We go fight them, very well # We refuse to carry any more of
:58:41. > :58:50.your lies # We don't have to carry any more
:58:50. > :58:56.of your lies # I am Fela Kuti