:00:07. > :00:10.Good morning from the BBC's brand- new base at Salford, just a few
:00:10. > :00:15.miles from the centre of Manchester where this morning the Conservative
:00:15. > :00:19.Party is waking up, munching its way through toast, tea and
:00:19. > :00:24.newspapers ahead of the last of the major party conferences of the
:00:24. > :00:29.season. But the big issue is of course the economy. Does David
:00:29. > :00:39.Cameron have the policies, does he have the money to turn things
:00:39. > :01:05.
:01:05. > :01:10.Like so much of Britain, Manchester has changed hugely. All around me
:01:10. > :01:13.there are new studios, hotels, oddly-shaped art galleries. It is
:01:13. > :01:17.very warm - it feels southern European rather than the wet, smoky
:01:18. > :01:22.city we used to know. But underneath the glitz and the
:01:22. > :01:25.shopping mania, Britain's economy is in deep trouble and we don't
:01:25. > :01:28.want a southern European economy. Debating how Britain is going to
:01:28. > :01:32.earn her way in the world is the key question for the Tory
:01:32. > :01:37.Conference which starts today in a vast old railway hall a couple of
:01:37. > :01:40.miles down the canal from here. So, what exactly is David Cameron's
:01:40. > :01:44.recipe for creating jobs and returning the country to growth?
:01:44. > :01:49.What is his latest thinking on Europe? And on the countryside? The
:01:49. > :01:53.Prime Minister joins me live here in Salford later on. Bags of
:01:53. > :01:57.politics, much else in today's papers and this morning Allegra
:01:57. > :02:01.Stratton of the Guardian and Andrew Pierce of the Daily Mail will be
:02:02. > :02:05.guiding us through them. Also a rare interview with Jimmy Carter,
:02:06. > :02:12.comparing President Obama's challenges with his own and the
:02:12. > :02:17.double Mercury Award-winner PJ Harvey joins us live.
:02:18. > :02:21.All of that coming up after the news from Louise in London.
:02:21. > :02:25.Thank you. The Conservative Party Conference formally opens in
:02:25. > :02:29.Manchester today with David Cameron pledging he will reinvigorate the
:02:29. > :02:34.right-to-buy scheme for council house tenants established by
:02:34. > :02:40.Margaret Thatcher. Tenant also be allowed to purchase their homes at
:02:40. > :02:45.discounted prices. Unlike the previous scheme a new home will be
:02:45. > :02:48.in future be built for every house that's sold and more unused land
:02:48. > :02:54.owned by the public sector will be made available for building the
:02:54. > :02:59.replacement homes. Let's get more from Ben Wright who joins us now.
:02:59. > :03:04.The pressure on for David Cameron to show he has a plan for the
:03:04. > :03:08.economy. How did the announcements for housing fit in with that?
:03:08. > :03:11.Conservatives have to take on and respond to the criticism that the
:03:11. > :03:14.Government doesn't have any plan for economic growth. It will be
:03:14. > :03:19.arguing it does and that house building will be a key component of
:03:19. > :03:22.that. There is a huge housing shortage now in the UK and so today
:03:22. > :03:26.they are saying they will accelerate, they hope, the right-
:03:26. > :03:32.to-buy scheme that was of course put in place in the '80s and has
:03:32. > :03:34.trailed off over the last few years. They will make it more attractive,
:03:34. > :03:39.they hope, for tenants to buy their council houses and increase house
:03:39. > :03:45.building. That announcement is part of a pack odge of housing-related
:03:45. > :03:52.things that are being part of a package of housing-related things
:03:52. > :03:55.that are being put together as part of a package. It's all part of a
:03:55. > :04:00.package they hope will convince voters they do have a plan for
:04:00. > :04:04.growth after all. What about Theresa May, she is making some
:04:04. > :04:09.outspoken comments about the Human Rights Act. What has she been
:04:09. > :04:12.saying? She has, yes. It's one of those key issues where there is a
:04:12. > :04:16.real divide between the two halves of the coalition. At his conference,
:04:16. > :04:20.Nick Clegg said he would never allow the Human Rights Act to be
:04:20. > :04:24.changed, to be dismantled. Theresa May is saying it is something that
:04:24. > :04:27.she would very much like to see go. She thinks it interferes with her
:04:27. > :04:32.work at the Home Office. A real disagreement there between the two
:04:32. > :04:38.halves of the coalition. It is something that is being reviewed by
:04:38. > :04:42.the Government and they will decide later in the year what to do with
:04:42. > :04:47.the question of human rights. It is one of those statements that will
:04:47. > :04:52.really please Conservatives. They will be pleased what she has said
:04:52. > :04:56.on that. Thank you. The Foreign Office has issued new
:04:56. > :05:00.advice to Britons to avoid all but essential travel to large stretch
:05:00. > :05:04.of Kenya's coastline close to the Somali border. Yesterday, an
:05:04. > :05:08.elderly French woman was kidnapped from a coastal resort by Somali
:05:08. > :05:11.pirates and last month a British holiday-maker, David Tebbutt, was
:05:12. > :05:16.killed and his wife Judith was taken captive.
:05:16. > :05:24.A leading charity says there's been a surge in the number of people who
:05:24. > :05:28.can't afford basic foods. FareShare says it is facing an unprecedented
:05:28. > :05:32.demand from families struggling to cope with rising prices. It's seen
:05:32. > :05:41.a 20% increase in the number of requests for help over the last
:05:41. > :05:45.year. Colonel Tim Collins says he intends
:05:45. > :05:49.to stand as one of Britain's new elected police commisioners. He's
:05:49. > :05:53.applied to be selected as a Conservative candidate in Kent next
:05:53. > :05:59.year. The Commissioners will have the power to "hire and fire" Chief
:05:59. > :06:04.Constables, set budgets and determine the four strategic plans.
:06:04. > :06:11.Police have arrested 500 anti-Wall Street protesters in New York for
:06:11. > :06:15.blocking traffic lanes on the Brooklyn Bridge. Traffic on the
:06:15. > :06:18.bridge, which is one of the busiest routes in-and-out of Manhattan, was
:06:18. > :06:23.stopped for several hours while police detained the protesters.
:06:23. > :06:30.That is all from here for now. Back to Andrew in Manchester.
:06:30. > :06:34.Many thanks, Louise. As you may have gathered, there's bags of good
:06:34. > :06:38.stories in the papers today. I'm joined by Allegra Stratton and
:06:38. > :06:44.Andrew Pierce to talk about them. Cameron says sorry to women on the
:06:44. > :06:50.front of The Sunday Times. Sunday Telegraph, axe the Human Rights Act
:06:50. > :06:56.says the Home Secretary. The Mail on Sunday - at last we get a vote
:06:56. > :06:59.on Europe. The Independent on Sunday - top Tory rounds on core
:06:59. > :07:04.support over the greenbelt. He says that what the National Trust is
:07:04. > :07:13.talking about on planning reforms is nonsense. It is slightly more
:07:13. > :07:18.than nonsense if you turn inside. Finally, the Observer. Lots of
:07:18. > :07:25.pictures of people leaping into the sea. Hague snubs Tory right over
:07:25. > :07:30.the right for EU vote. So, in all of that where are we going to
:07:30. > :07:35.start? Europe is the last issue David Cameron will want to see on
:07:35. > :07:39.the front-pages of the newspapers. It is back. It is an issue that has
:07:39. > :07:44.bedevilled every Tory leader since Margaret Thatcher. Good news for
:07:44. > :07:48.the eurosceptics. This is to be a vote in the Commons for the first
:07:48. > :07:53.time and a debate over whether Britain should remain in the
:07:53. > :07:57.European Union. This is one of those public write-ins? The Commons
:07:57. > :08:06.authority are saying we have to have a debate. Hang on. Front-page
:08:06. > :08:12.of the Observer, William Hague, the man who once said in 2001 "12 days
:08:12. > :08:15.to save the pound" - he is saying there will be no referendum on the
:08:15. > :08:20.European Union whatsoever. This will be a hammer blow for
:08:20. > :08:26.eurosceptics. One of the amusing things about William Hague, in a
:08:26. > :08:36.meeting in the Foreign Office he used to start the beginnings and
:08:36. > :08:37.
:08:37. > :08:42.say, "What does catchy Ashton think about this? -- what does Cathy
:08:42. > :08:46.Ashton think about this?" In this story, you have him saying look at
:08:46. > :08:51.this deal we have signed with Korea. We make a lot of money... He is out
:08:51. > :08:55.of step with his backbenchers. 120 of them attended a meeting and they
:08:55. > :09:01.do want a referendum. It looks like Europe is an issue that is back to
:09:01. > :09:05.haunt Mr Cameron. Next story. we are in not so sunny Salford, we
:09:05. > :09:09.have Europe problems. There is another bank about to go under, we
:09:09. > :09:16.think. In this story, they are suggesting that it could trigger
:09:16. > :09:20.another banking crisis. Which bank? Dexia. I don't think many of us
:09:20. > :09:24.would have heard of it. If it goes under, there is a big problem. In
:09:24. > :09:29.this piece, it is a good reminder of some things that will be
:09:29. > :09:32.preoccupying the top brass here at conference. There is a lovely
:09:32. > :09:35.detail about Greece and concerns that they won't be able to bring
:09:35. > :09:40.forward the bail-out for Greece. Striking Government workers have
:09:40. > :09:45.stopped the IMF from gaining access to the Greek statistics office
:09:45. > :09:50.aiming to draw up a new budget. Andrew? Theresa May. Yes. A lovely
:09:50. > :09:54.picture in the Sunday Telegraph. She's given an interview. This will
:09:54. > :09:57.cheer the Tory Party. She is saying we want to get rid of the Human
:09:57. > :10:05.Rights Act completely. It is loathed on the Tory benches. This
:10:05. > :10:10.is the Act which foreign prisoners use to remain in Britain. She is
:10:10. > :10:14.saying get rid of it. That is not Government policy. It is an
:10:14. > :10:21.incendiary thrown into the coalition. Two weeks' ago, Nick
:10:21. > :10:27.Clegg said, "It ain't going nowhere." I love how he managed to
:10:27. > :10:31.do that! This is classic first morning of conference stuff from
:10:31. > :10:35.the Tory Home Secretary. They will go into the - we now know they will
:10:35. > :10:41.go into the next election saying we don't like the Human Rights Act.
:10:41. > :10:43.She is in charge - there's two problems: Clegg and Ken Clarke, Ken
:10:43. > :10:46.Clarke who Nick Clegg called the sixth Lib Dem, they are in charge
:10:47. > :10:50.of this Commission. The Tories think that is not going anywhere.
:10:50. > :10:55.Theresa May is in charge of another Commission which is likely to find
:10:55. > :11:00.we want to get rid of it. This may be an expression of frustration?
:11:00. > :11:05.is in starker language than we have heard before. She also said...
:11:05. > :11:08.is the Home Secretary. She is. She said in The Sunday Times on
:11:08. > :11:13.immigration she wants to bring in reforms so immigrants who worked in
:11:13. > :11:19.Britain for five years will no longer have an automatic right to
:11:19. > :11:23.settle in Britain. A huge strain on the Health Service, and on schools.
:11:23. > :11:28.We have massive unemployment. That too sounds like she is reaching out
:11:28. > :11:34.to the Tory eurosceptics. Start of a leadership campaign? Well, you
:11:34. > :11:39.heard it here first! David Cameron's apologised to you? Indeed.
:11:39. > :11:44.Well, it is interesting... To all women. Cameron says sorry to women.
:11:44. > :11:53.He does say sorry to women. He felt terrible about the two - there's
:11:53. > :11:59.been two blunders in the Commons now. One where he said about Nadine
:11:59. > :12:04.Dorris, a Tory backbencher. She is frustrated... That was the problem
:12:04. > :12:10.that everybody thought frustrated was a sexual innuendo. Then the
:12:10. > :12:14.other one is that he said to Angela Eagle, a Labour shadow Minister,
:12:14. > :12:18.calm down dear. He felt very bad about this. He has done an
:12:18. > :12:25.interview which is interesting because it's not got any policy in
:12:25. > :12:31.it. It is him saying I did fluff up on this stuff. He is not the kind
:12:31. > :12:38.of bloke - he is not a sexist? lot of people very close to him
:12:38. > :12:45.will say that is a fair reflection. Inside he struggles to say, "Some
:12:45. > :12:49.of my best friends are women." There are no policies. His inner
:12:49. > :12:53.circle is dominated by women. The one politician who might have
:12:53. > :12:57.trouble with him you would have thought would be the Labour Leader,
:12:57. > :13:01.Ed Miliband. He hadn't bothered to put his name on his first born's
:13:01. > :13:06.birth certificate. That was a real problem for women. I have heard Ed
:13:06. > :13:11.Miliband go on a Radio Two phone-in and he was lynched by women. It is
:13:11. > :13:15.the thing that comes up at the top of focus groups, him not putting
:13:15. > :13:18.the name on one of his children's birth certificates. Shocking.
:13:18. > :13:23.now Downing Street have been doing all sorts of work on the problems
:13:23. > :13:27.with female voters and the Conservatives and their
:13:27. > :13:31.haemorrhaging of C-Two voters. What is interesting... This is not just
:13:31. > :13:39.a personal thing, this is political positioning? It is a unique mixture
:13:39. > :13:44.of the two. I don't want to be too glib, but they did find �250
:13:44. > :13:48.million for Eric Pickles' bin collections... A very important
:13:48. > :13:55.policy(!) It is. It's interesting that they don't feel the need.
:13:55. > :13:58.Maybe he will in his speech. To do something on the childcare tax
:13:58. > :14:04.credits... Andrew. John Prescott gaffeed when he said the greenbelt
:14:04. > :14:09.is a Labour policy and we intend to build on it. Well, Francis paud in
:14:09. > :14:18.the Independent on Sunday has -- Francis Maude in the Independent on
:14:18. > :14:23.Sunday has said to the people who are opponents they are talking and
:14:23. > :14:33.because it is a Sunday morning he uses a word beginning with "b" and
:14:33. > :14:34.
:14:34. > :14:41.there is a "k" in it and an "s". It is Tory activists... It is bril
:14:41. > :14:45.Bryson. -- it is Bill Bryson. take on Bill Bryson. Now the Prime
:14:45. > :14:48.Minister is announcing they want to get more building done on brown
:14:48. > :14:54.field sites. If he repeats that statement in the Conference Centre
:14:54. > :14:58.this week, he will be jeered. see, the thing is, it is so
:14:58. > :15:01.interesting because they are absolutely in private so zealous
:15:01. > :15:05.about this stuff. They think one of the problems with the growth and
:15:05. > :15:10.the lack of it is that people... I don't know they will necessarily
:15:10. > :15:14.give masses of ground. They really do feel it's... There's a U-turn
:15:14. > :15:22.coming up. There's three-quarters of a million homes that are empty
:15:22. > :15:32.in Britain. Another story? OK. This is a good story on the front of the
:15:32. > :15:36.
:15:36. > :15:42.Sunday Telegraph. It is Tim Collins. He delivered that speech before the
:15:42. > :15:47.war in Iraq. There was one line where he said there are some of you
:15:47. > :15:50.alive now who will not be alive tomorrow. He is now standing to
:15:50. > :15:54.become one of these Police Commissioners which is one of those
:15:54. > :15:58.policies which has been battling through Parliament which will now
:15:58. > :16:02.mean in November next year we will all vote on who we want to become a
:16:02. > :16:08.police commissioner in our area. You would rather have Tim Collins
:16:08. > :16:12.than a clapped-out councillor, with you? For he wants special
:16:12. > :16:17.constables in villages to have powers of arrest which is something
:16:17. > :16:22.the government is looking at. It is not a vigilante proposal but it is
:16:22. > :16:27.quite a muscular policing vision he sets out. It is interesting because
:16:27. > :16:32.what they are worried about is the calibre of people who come forward
:16:32. > :16:40.to the Police Commissioners. have time for one-storey each now.
:16:40. > :16:47.Which one? I am a Strictly Come Dancing man, not an X Factor man.
:16:47. > :16:51.Edwina Currie dancing last night. I went to watch Ann Widdecombe last
:16:51. > :16:55.year. She got the same mark as Ann Widdecombe last year and Ann
:16:55. > :17:01.Widdecombe got the lowest marks in the history of Strictly Come
:17:01. > :17:04.Dancing so I suspect Edwina Currie will not be as popular with the
:17:04. > :17:09.viewers as Ann Widdecombe who danced frankly like I have a lump.
:17:09. > :17:15.For those of you with the children at school, we are going to have a
:17:15. > :17:20.new head of Ofsted. It is a guy who said his hero is Clint Eastwood. He
:17:20. > :17:26.is Michael Gove's favourite head teacher. I don't think we can
:17:26. > :17:31.finish without mentioning Alastair Campbell because it is a wonderful
:17:31. > :17:35.story. Is the on the bagpipes again? When he was busy working for
:17:35. > :17:42.the government he didn't have time to state his other passion which is
:17:42. > :17:47.blowing the bagpipes and now there is a programme for him to train up
:17:47. > :17:52.and play the bagpipes with Bob Dylan. Alastair Campbell and Bob
:17:52. > :17:56.Dylan are blowing in the wind together. The mind boggles! Thank
:17:56. > :18:00.you both for now. It was Caribbean where there when I
:18:00. > :18:07.arrived yesterday. Almost everyone was walking around stark naked.
:18:07. > :18:17.Well, not really naked! What is to come across the rest of the
:18:17. > :18:19.
:18:19. > :18:25.Hello. It is all changed with the weather. A top temperature of 29.9
:18:25. > :18:29.degrees yesterday, making it the warmest October on record. We see
:18:29. > :18:34.clouds invading the North today brimming cloud to Manchester and up
:18:34. > :18:40.to Newcastle as well. For Northern England and Wales it is cooler than
:18:40. > :18:50.yesterday. For western areas of Scotland, these guys Brighton later
:18:50. > :18:54.on. The rain in northern England using later. Bright skies in
:18:54. > :18:59.Lincolnshire but through much of England, a beautiful afternoon.
:18:59. > :19:05.Temperatures mid- to high twenties. If it is too hot inland, by the
:19:05. > :19:10.coast it will be cooler and fresher. Sunny skies dominate through
:19:10. > :19:15.central and southern Wales. In the north, cooler, cloudier with
:19:15. > :19:20.outbreaks of rain. Sky is looking brighter across Northern Ireland.
:19:20. > :19:30.By Monday, looking more unsettled in the north, sticking with the
:19:30. > :19:31.
:19:31. > :19:35.sunshine in the south but it is not Since leaving the White House in
:19:35. > :19:40.1981, Jimmy Carter has been the most internationally active ex-
:19:40. > :19:43.president in American history. He founded the Carter Center in
:19:43. > :19:47.Atlanta and has been awarded the Nobel Prize. Jimmy Carter is
:19:47. > :19:53.considered by many to have been a less than successful President
:19:53. > :19:57.during a time when the US economy and the Iran hostage crisis
:19:57. > :20:00.bedevilled his administration. At 87, President Carter is as busy as
:20:00. > :20:05.ever and he will be appearing at the South Bank Centre in London
:20:05. > :20:08.later this week. I met him and he told me that his continuing
:20:08. > :20:14.involvement in the Middle East and why his country's role has changed
:20:14. > :20:18.there since the Arab Spring. believe in my lifetime, United
:20:18. > :20:24.States has the lowest level of influence in the Middle East peace
:20:24. > :20:29.process than ever before, both within Israel and also within the
:20:29. > :20:34.Palestinian area and the general Arab world. There is a vacuum there
:20:34. > :20:38.which is very unfortunate. I think it has brought to a crisis an issue
:20:38. > :20:43.which has been dormant or going backwards and forwards but no
:20:43. > :20:48.progress made it all within the last three decades. Palestinians
:20:48. > :20:53.are frustrated with two promises President Obama made. One was no
:20:53. > :20:58.more settlements, the other was negotiations based on the 1967
:20:58. > :21:04.borders with modifications. We have failed to carry through both those
:21:04. > :21:08.promises. In the absence of any progress, the Palestinians have
:21:08. > :21:12.taken their case to the United Nations, both to the Security
:21:12. > :21:16.Council and the General Assembly. The Carter Center which you found
:21:16. > :21:22.it has been doing Nobel prize- winning work for decades. Do you
:21:22. > :21:26.see it as a model for other former President's and ex-leader has?
:21:27. > :21:34.think each one of us presidents and leaders in Europe are different. I
:21:34. > :21:41.decided to go my own way. We deal with troubled elections, we have
:21:41. > :21:48.done more than 80 of them. The next one next month will be in Tunisia
:21:48. > :21:53.to monitor that process. We also deal with peace negotiations like
:21:53. > :21:57.in a Middle East while -- where we tried to maintain contact with all
:21:57. > :22:01.the entity is involved. Our number one commitment as far as resources
:22:01. > :22:06.are concerned, both human resources and our budget, is the alleviation
:22:06. > :22:11.of suffering from diseases, primarily in Africa. During your
:22:11. > :22:15.presidency, you face a huge economic crisis, very different to
:22:15. > :22:19.the one facing President Obama now. Nevertheless, what would your
:22:19. > :22:26.advice be to him? It was a different situation. We had
:22:26. > :22:30.basically a balanced budget. It was not an ingrained basic problem that
:22:30. > :22:34.we are facing now both in Europe and the United States where
:22:34. > :22:38.governments have overspent and developed enormous debt and cannot
:22:38. > :22:44.meet their current obligations and are having to depend on stronger
:22:44. > :22:48.nations to support the others. I believe President Obama understand
:22:48. > :22:52.the question better than I do and I think his latest proposal on job
:22:52. > :22:59.increase based on 50 billion dollar expenditure would be a very good
:22:59. > :23:05.investment. Like President Obama, when you were elected, you were the
:23:05. > :23:08.sort of face of optimism and hope for change. Do you think that the
:23:08. > :23:15.way to the expectation was simply too great, both on his shoulders
:23:15. > :23:20.and on yours? I had a very harmonious and undivided nation and
:23:20. > :23:27.also an undivided Congress compared to what Obama has inherited. I had
:23:27. > :23:30.a great advantage over President Obama. He has a completely
:23:30. > :23:34.different challenge in his own administration because the
:23:34. > :23:37.Republicans have pledged not to give him any support on any issue,
:23:38. > :23:40.even on things which they themselves proposed previously, in
:23:40. > :23:44.order to prevent him being re- elected. I did not have that
:23:45. > :23:53.problem when I was in the White House. What would you see as your
:23:53. > :23:58.legacy? I think my legacy has been perpetuated, whatever it might be,
:23:58. > :24:02.between the presidency and the Carter Center. My commitment to
:24:02. > :24:06.peace instead of constant wars, during my term of office we had
:24:06. > :24:11.many challenges from the Soviet Union and other sources. But we had
:24:11. > :24:16.peace as a priority and we maintained peace in our own country
:24:16. > :24:20.and brought it to other people as well. Also the insistence on the
:24:20. > :24:23.application of human rights as the foundation for democracy and
:24:23. > :24:28.freedom. For instance, in Latin America, during my term in office,
:24:28. > :24:31.when I took office, the vast majority of Latin American
:24:31. > :24:35.countries were military dictatorships. Within five years,
:24:35. > :24:39.after I left office, all of them had become democracies because we
:24:39. > :24:42.insisted on the right of people to establish governments. I would say
:24:42. > :24:47.democracy and freedom on the one hand and human rights on the other
:24:47. > :24:52.along with peas. President Carter, thank you very much indeed for
:24:52. > :24:58.joining us. His life and career at the South
:24:58. > :25:03.Bank Centre on Monday. When he told his mother he was thinking of
:25:03. > :25:10.running, she said, that's nice, dear, President of what? I'm sure
:25:10. > :25:15.my next guest did not get that reaction. David Cameron, welcome.
:25:15. > :25:20.You what apologising to women? I hadst -- I said some things in
:25:20. > :25:23.the House of Commons which came out wrong and I deeply regret that. I
:25:23. > :25:30.was asked about it in an interview with the Sunday Times and I said
:25:30. > :25:38.what I think. So, you are a new man? Women can relax. You are
:25:38. > :25:42.modern. This is not an excuse, it is an explanation. Prime Minister's
:25:42. > :25:47.Questions is very aggressive and controversial -- confrontational. I
:25:47. > :25:51.do not think you can change that. That is not what I'm like, it is
:25:51. > :25:56.not who I am and I wanted to try and put that right but I recognise
:25:56. > :26:00.I must do better. What about some of the policies towards women?
:26:00. > :26:06.There has been an argument About Women's pensions and they're all
:26:06. > :26:12.sorts of issues, child benefit and so on. Are you confident that women
:26:12. > :26:16.voters are not supported as others? There is a deeper underlying issue.
:26:16. > :26:20.Britain faces a very difficult time now as countries right across the
:26:20. > :26:24.world do. Families in Britain see petrol prices going up, food prices
:26:24. > :26:29.going up, electricity increasing. Many people who work in the public
:26:29. > :26:32.sector have had a pay freeze. At the heart of families are women
:26:32. > :26:35.worrying desperately about the family budget. This government has
:26:35. > :26:39.to do difficult things. I profoundly believe we are taking
:26:39. > :26:42.difficult decisions to get the country to better times ahead but
:26:42. > :26:47.we have to explain really carefully why we are doing what we are doing.
:26:47. > :26:51.I think that has had an impact on families and many women and that
:26:51. > :26:56.causes great concern. I understand that. We have to explain why it is
:26:56. > :27:02.necessary. Let's talk about the economy. There is news of another
:27:02. > :27:05.bank in trouble in the south of Europe. Very -- people are very
:27:06. > :27:10.worried that the euro. How bad to think things will get in the year
:27:10. > :27:14.ahead? Clearly, there is a problem in the eurozone and we have to deal
:27:14. > :27:18.with that problem. I think the outlines of what needs to be done
:27:18. > :27:22.are becoming clearer all the time. The British government has a clear
:27:22. > :27:25.view. We are pushing with partners in Europe, with the IMF and others
:27:25. > :27:30.with what needs to be done. Strengthening of the financial
:27:30. > :27:34.mechanisms in Europe, greater involvement with the IMF, facing up
:27:34. > :27:38.to the problems and dealing with them decisively. This is what needs
:27:38. > :27:41.to happen. Frankly, the eurozone is a threat not just to itself but
:27:41. > :27:46.also a threat to the British economy and the worldwide economy
:27:46. > :27:48.so we have to deal with this. you agree with George Osborne but
:27:48. > :27:54.effectively there has to be a single European economy with a
:27:54. > :27:58.single tax system, a single fiscal system, you cannot have a currency
:27:58. > :28:02.without the rest of it? The problem with the eurozone, the logic of
:28:02. > :28:07.having a single currency is it leads you in that direction. I've
:28:07. > :28:15.always wanted to stay outside the single currency. We are not going
:28:15. > :28:20.to go into the eurozone. I think it is more urgent. Action needs to be
:28:20. > :28:24.taken in the next coming weeks to strength in Europe's banks, to
:28:24. > :28:28.build the defences that the eurozone has, to deal with the
:28:28. > :28:32.problems of debt decisively. They have got to do that now, to get
:28:32. > :28:36.ahead of the market now, irrespective of the changes that
:28:36. > :28:39.the re-sown might choose to make in the future about having a more
:28:39. > :28:44.single economic ordination which I suspect they will need. There are
:28:44. > :28:48.more urgent steps which have to be taken more quickly. What happens to
:28:49. > :28:53.us if the eurozone breaks up? would be very bad. One of the
:28:53. > :28:58.reasons why we want the eurozone to deal with its problems is the facts
:28:58. > :29:02.for Britain are pretty clear. 50 % of our exports go to other European
:29:02. > :29:07.countries. 40 % go to the eurozone. If bad things happen in the
:29:08. > :29:11.eurozone, that affects us. They cannot assure ourselves against the
:29:11. > :29:16.fact that right now the German and French economies, the two biggest
:29:16. > :29:20.economies in Europe have stalled. That is a big problem for us. We
:29:20. > :29:25.want them to deal with the issues and problems. Let me be clear. I
:29:25. > :29:29.will always defend the British national interest. I think our
:29:29. > :29:33.interest is to be in the European because we need that single market.
:29:33. > :29:37.We are a trading nation, it is vital for our economic future. I
:29:37. > :29:41.have always made clear that we have given to many powers to Europe and
:29:41. > :29:45.there are some powers I would like back from Europe. Then maybe future
:29:45. > :29:49.opportunities to bring that about. The problem for Europe right now is
:29:49. > :29:52.dealing with the resent problem. That is where all our energies
:29:52. > :29:56.should go because we should solve this problem in order to get the
:29:56. > :30:02.world economy to grow again. would like to see the repatriation
:30:02. > :30:05.of powers from the EU? Yes, that was in our manifesto. When the
:30:06. > :30:09.House of Commons votes, as it now will, on a referendum on Europe,
:30:10. > :30:14.you will be voting for a referendum? The issue of a
:30:14. > :30:18.referendum is not our view that they should be an in out referendum.
:30:18. > :30:23.I do not want Britain to leave the European Union. I think it is the
:30:23. > :30:26.wrong answer for Britain. What most people want in this country is not
:30:26. > :30:29.actually teach -- to leave the European Union but to reform the
:30:29. > :30:33.European Union and make sure the balance of powers between Britain
:30:33. > :30:38.and Europe is better. That is what people want. It is perfectly
:30:38. > :30:41.possible that the Commons could decide to vote on the idea of a
:30:41. > :30:46.referendum on the repatriation of powers and going back to the kind
:30:46. > :30:51.of trade association that we used to have with Europe, not a symbol -
:30:51. > :30:54.a simple in or out, that to you would be in favour of? The whole
:30:54. > :30:57.reasons the House of Commons is able to have a vote because of a
:30:57. > :31:01.bold reform this government made which is to let the House of
:31:01. > :31:05.Commons have more power over its timetable, the ability to debate
:31:05. > :31:09.and discuss subjects. Let's see what subject they choose. Let's see
:31:09. > :31:13.what question is put down. This is what Parliament ought to give. Let
:31:13. > :31:18.me just say once again, it is the government's priority right now,
:31:18. > :31:21.sort out the eurozone, get the European economy is growing again,
:31:22. > :31:26.let's get the single market working properly because there are huge
:31:26. > :31:31.things we could do in Europe to help promote growth in Britain. Get
:31:31. > :31:34.a single market in energy, finish the single market in services, open
:31:34. > :31:38.up European markets, make sure we stop the costs which are being
:31:38. > :31:48.piled on British businesses, let's stop all of that. I am not a
:31:48. > :31:51.This year, we have got France, Germany, Britain saying let's
:31:51. > :31:55.freeze the European budget. We have managed to get Britain out of the
:31:55. > :31:58.euro bail-out mechanism. That is a treaty that is going through Europe
:31:58. > :32:04.right now that gets Britain out of the bail-out mechanism that Labour
:32:04. > :32:09.got us into. OK. I do think we can do better. At this moment, it is
:32:09. > :32:12.very likely that there will have to be some kind of treaty
:32:12. > :32:16.renegotiation and the revised treaty, the Germans and the French
:32:16. > :32:22.have been talking about a new shape to the European economic system.
:32:22. > :32:27.That is an opportunity for there to be a renegotiation of this
:32:27. > :32:32.country's relationship with Europe and possibly a referendum - well
:32:32. > :32:35.certainly? You are getting ahead of things. The eurozone issue is the
:32:35. > :32:39.urgent priority. Second point: There is a European Treaty that's
:32:39. > :32:44.happening right now. This is the Treaty that gets us out of the
:32:44. > :32:48.bail-out mechanism that Labour got us into. The prospect for further
:32:48. > :32:53.future treaty change is not an immediate prospect. We have to make
:32:53. > :32:58.sure we sort out the eurozone issue. All right. In terms of... For the
:32:58. > :33:02.longer term, I have been very clear - I think we gave too much power to
:33:02. > :33:05.Europe. There are some powers I would like to get back. Right.
:33:05. > :33:10.Right now, that is not on the immediate agenda. I don't think I
:33:10. > :33:15.could be any clearer. All right. You would relish the opportunity of
:33:15. > :33:18.a treaty change which allowed you to renegotiate our relationship
:33:18. > :33:23.with Europe and have a referendum in this country? I wouldn't put it
:33:23. > :33:26.like that. Why not? I would relish for European leaders to roll up
:33:26. > :33:31.their sleeves, get the single market working, sort out the
:33:31. > :33:35.eurozone, get our economies trading, working and growing. People in
:33:35. > :33:38.rooms up-and-down Britain aren't thinking gosh, if we could only
:33:38. > :33:42.have a treaty change in Europe? They are thinking let's get the
:33:42. > :33:46.economy moving. That is what this conference is about. OK. Let's get
:33:46. > :33:50.on to this. It seems to me there are three possible ways of getting
:33:50. > :33:55.the economy moving. You could cut taxes. You are not going to do that,
:33:55. > :33:59.are you, in this Parliament? What we are not going to do is put at
:33:59. > :34:02.risk the very clear plan we have in place to deal with our debts and
:34:02. > :34:06.our deficit which is absolutely vital to give people confidence
:34:06. > :34:09.that the Government is going to get this economy under control. Which
:34:09. > :34:13.means you can't cut taxes? can't suddenly tear up your
:34:13. > :34:17.borrowing plans and your debt plans because it is those plans that give
:34:18. > :34:21.us the low interest rates that are key for economic recovery. You know,
:34:21. > :34:27.elsewhere in Europe, those countries that don't have a plan,
:34:27. > :34:33.they see their interest rates going up 5-7%. That would be devastating.
:34:33. > :34:40.I understand the argument. So you don't deviate, you can't cut taxes,
:34:40. > :34:44.you won't slash taxes. We have... The next thing... We have cut
:34:44. > :34:49.corporation tax. We have one of the lowest rates of corporation tax
:34:50. > :34:55.coming anywhere in the advanced world. Overall, you could spend
:34:55. > :34:59.lots more money and you are not going to do that. There are some
:34:59. > :35:03.infrastructure projects which are going ahead, highly controversially
:35:03. > :35:08.the fast railway line between London and Birmingham. Again you
:35:08. > :35:11.can't spend huge amounts of money. You can't do an old-fashioned job
:35:11. > :35:14.creation system? You can make sure you are spending money on
:35:14. > :35:20.productive things. This Government is spending more on capital
:35:20. > :35:24.projects than the last Government. You can protect the science budget.
:35:24. > :35:29.You shouldn't put at risk the overall picture of getting the
:35:29. > :35:32.debts and the deficit under control. Those people who argue a few more
:35:32. > :35:37.billion now would make all the difference, I would make this
:35:37. > :35:40.point: Over the next four years, we are going to be spending over �3
:35:40. > :35:44.trillion, the Government, into the economy. Is it really a good risk
:35:44. > :35:48.to spend a few more billion now and potentially put at risk the low
:35:48. > :35:52.interest rates that are so key to your economic revival? I do
:35:52. > :35:58.understand. I do understand that. If it is not going to be done
:35:58. > :36:01.through those traditional ways - you could potentially print your
:36:01. > :36:04.way out of trouble, use inflation to help a bit. That seems to be
:36:04. > :36:09.going on with the Bank of England at the moment. You are missing the
:36:09. > :36:13.two... I'm working through them. Let me explain. Line one is deal
:36:13. > :36:16.with the deficit. Essential for low interest rates. Line two is do all
:36:16. > :36:19.the things to make it easier for businesses to start up, for
:36:19. > :36:23.businesses to grow, for business to employ people, to expand and to
:36:23. > :36:26.invest. So we are dealing with the employment regulations. We are
:36:26. > :36:30.cutting corporate tax. We are dealing with business rates. We are
:36:30. > :36:34.reforming the planning system. Yet... All of these things, overall
:36:34. > :36:39.since the election there are 500,000 new private sector jobs.
:36:39. > :36:44.The economy is rebalancing between more private sector jobs and having
:36:44. > :36:48.to deal with excessive spending in the public sector. It takes time
:36:48. > :36:52.and it is difficult. That is the key to a growth strategy, is are
:36:52. > :37:01.you making it easier for business to expand, to grow, to invest? We
:37:01. > :37:09.are. You know that we are at a very dangerous moment. The world economy
:37:09. > :37:11.is in terrible trouble. Andrew Tyrie, senior Conservative,
:37:11. > :37:15.chairman of the Treasury Select Committee says your growth strategy
:37:15. > :37:20.is inconsistent and it needs to be pulled up several notches? First of
:37:20. > :37:24.all, let me take the export point. If you look at our exports to China,
:37:24. > :37:27.they are up 40%. We are seeing some export-led growth. Take one
:37:27. > :37:33.industry that I have spent some time with in the last year which is
:37:33. > :37:38.the motor industry. If you look at Jaguar Land Rover, massive
:37:38. > :37:43.expansion. Look at Honda, Nissan, Toyota. We are a massive exporter
:37:43. > :37:48.of cars and car engines. That industry is bringing more of its
:37:48. > :37:52.supply chain onshore. Let me answer the question about Andrew Tyrie...
:37:52. > :37:59.Do you need to re-engineer a growth strategy? We need to do everything
:37:59. > :38:03.we can to set the fires under the engines - that's bad - we need to
:38:03. > :38:08.do everything we can to fire up the engine of the British economy.
:38:08. > :38:12.There's a step-change taking place right now. You can see the housing
:38:12. > :38:17.market. The housing market isn't working. Why isn't it? Because of
:38:17. > :38:21.the debt crisis. The banks are bunged up with debt so the banks
:38:21. > :38:26.aren't lending, the builders aren't building and the buyers can't buy.
:38:26. > :38:29.This Government isn't just sitting back, we are saying right, we are
:38:29. > :38:33.going to make over Government land to housebuilders on the basis they
:38:33. > :38:37.can build now and pay for the land when they sell the homes. That
:38:37. > :38:41.could build 100,000 homes, 200,000 jobs in our economy. We are not
:38:41. > :38:46.stopping there. We are saying let's bring back the right to buy your
:38:46. > :38:54.council house. Let's use that money as young people choose to buy their
:38:54. > :39:00.council home, let's use that money to build homes... There aren't that
:39:00. > :39:03.many council homes left. There are... That's not the case. There
:39:03. > :39:07.are over two million homes that are still available to be bought. So
:39:07. > :39:14.this is something that will make a big difference. That could provide
:39:14. > :39:24.another 100,000 homes, another 200,000 jobs. That could be 200,000
:39:24. > :39:25.
:39:25. > :39:29.extra homes, 400,000 extra jobs. Your enthusiasm for more homes has
:39:29. > :39:32.put the Government into confrontation with organisations
:39:32. > :39:35.like the campaign for the protection of rural England and
:39:35. > :39:39.National Trust who are very worried about the new national planning
:39:39. > :39:46.guidelines for England which they say is going to destroy the green
:39:46. > :39:52.England that you grew up with? Well, I represent a constituency in
:39:52. > :39:56.Oxfordshire, the gateway to the Cotswolds, with the most incredible
:39:56. > :39:59.countryside, beautiful forests and paths. I would no more put that at
:39:59. > :40:03.risk than I put my own family at risk. I love our countryside.
:40:03. > :40:06.Everybody knows we have a planning system that is incredibly
:40:06. > :40:10.bureaucratic, incredibly complicated and house building
:40:10. > :40:16.right now, it has increased from Labour's low levels. Under Labour
:40:16. > :40:20.it reached the lowest level since 1924. The average age of a first-
:40:20. > :40:29.time buyer is now 37. We have got to do more to get the homes built
:40:29. > :40:32.that we need for young people in our country. We can do that without
:40:32. > :40:37.jeopardising the greenbelt. Let me ask you something specific about
:40:37. > :40:41.that. We read that in the national plan - and everyone understands
:40:41. > :40:48.it's been far too bureaucratic, the system, in the past. Under the new
:40:48. > :40:57.system, there is going to be no limit on where advertisements can
:40:57. > :41:00.be placed. Anywhere you will be able to stick up those in fields
:41:00. > :41:05.and people will look at this and say it is going to be like the
:41:05. > :41:10.worst parts of the United States, some of the worst parts of the
:41:10. > :41:13.Third World? I don't accept that. Is that wrong? That is wrong. We
:41:13. > :41:17.are slimming down the national guidelines. Some people assume if
:41:17. > :41:20.you don't mention something in a national guideline, that means
:41:20. > :41:24.local authorities won't be able to stop unsightly developments. That
:41:24. > :41:28.is nonsense. We need to trust local authorities more. If we stand back
:41:28. > :41:32.from this - I put it like this. Why is it people tend not to support
:41:32. > :41:37.development? Frankly, I don't blame them. Local communities don't get
:41:37. > :41:40.much benefit from new development. Under our new plans, if the factory
:41:40. > :41:44.goes ahead, you keep the business rates, you can spend the money. If
:41:44. > :41:49.new homes go ahead in your area, you will get the new homes bonus.
:41:49. > :41:53.You can spend that money. What we need to do is create a system where
:41:53. > :41:59.local people see the benefits and the disbenefits of planning and
:41:59. > :42:04.housing and factories and jobs going ahead. That will be a more
:42:04. > :42:10.rational system. And yet as the result of this change, there is
:42:10. > :42:15.going to be a great deal more housing in rural England? Well,
:42:15. > :42:19.if... That's true, isn't it? Take my constituency. Beautiful villages,
:42:19. > :42:24.beautiful countryside. In the last five years, we built an extra 3,000
:42:24. > :42:31.houses. I don't accept that local politicians don't want extra
:42:32. > :42:35.housing. They do. Politicians may, I'm talking about residents?
:42:36. > :42:40.Villagers, if they were able to be in control of having a few extra
:42:40. > :42:45.homes, they know that would be good for the local pub and the local
:42:45. > :42:50.village school. It is our job to listen to concerns. If there are
:42:50. > :42:54.concerns that need reflecting, we will reflect them. The point is
:42:54. > :43:00.this: Under the existing planning system, the local village and the
:43:00. > :43:04.town fears the arrival of the new extra housing estates, plonked on
:43:04. > :43:09.its margins. If you give locals more control over what sort of
:43:09. > :43:12.houses, we can have a more rational debate about planning and we can
:43:12. > :43:16.see our villages become places of life with a future for the village
:43:17. > :43:24.school, the pub and the Post Office rather than a slow death. The Home
:43:24. > :43:28.Secretary wants to see the end of the Human Rights Act. It gets in
:43:28. > :43:34.her way. We have heard the stories of suspected terrorists who can't
:43:34. > :43:39.be removed from this country. Do you agree? It would be good to
:43:40. > :43:42.replace it with a British Bill of Rights. We have a very clear
:43:42. > :43:47.agreement in the coalition to set up a commission to look at the idea
:43:47. > :43:51.of a British Bill of Rights but it will go more slowly than Theresa
:43:51. > :43:56.May or I would want. Are we going to sit back and go tough? No.
:43:56. > :44:00.are you going to do? One of the problems we have here is not just
:44:00. > :44:06.the Human Rights Act. It's the sort of chilling culture under it that
:44:06. > :44:10.means that someone drives a police van, you know, an hour to move a
:44:10. > :44:13.prisoner 200 yards when he was happy to walk. The Human Rights Act
:44:13. > :44:17.doesn't say that is what you have to do. It is the chilling effect of
:44:17. > :44:22.people thinking I will be found guilty under it. The Government can
:44:22. > :44:26.do a huge amount to communicate to institutions and individuals let's
:44:26. > :44:31.have some commonsense and judgment, let's have that applying rather
:44:31. > :44:37.than this overinterpretation of what is there. Point two: Part of
:44:37. > :44:40.this comes from judgments in the European Court of Justice. We are
:44:40. > :44:48.now going to be chairing the Council of Europe, we have an
:44:48. > :44:51.opportunity with others to try and change the way the European
:44:51. > :44:56.Convention on Human Rights works. Would I like to go further and
:44:56. > :44:59.faster? Yes, I have said so. If the Conservatives had their way, if you
:44:59. > :45:04.were governing by yourself, you would get rid of the Human Rights
:45:04. > :45:08.Act and replace it with the British Bill of Rights? Yes. Which leads us
:45:08. > :45:15.on to relations with the other side of the coalition. Lots of rude
:45:15. > :45:19.things were said last week about the Conservatives, Tim Farron...
:45:19. > :45:29.That was two weeks' ago. There were a lot of rude things said last week
:45:29. > :45:31.
:45:31. > :45:36.Tim Farron talked about it was a ghastly thing this coalition, bound
:45:36. > :45:39.to end in divorce and so on, and yet, clearly, there are Liberal
:45:39. > :45:43.Democrats with him you personally get on quite well and I wonder
:45:43. > :45:47.whether if you did win an election in your own right with an absolute
:45:47. > :45:52.majority, you would push them all out or would you have some of those
:45:52. > :45:57.people still working with you? First of all, I am focused on the
:45:57. > :46:00.here and now, delivering this government's agenda. At the time of
:46:01. > :46:04.great economic uncertainty and difficulty, it is good that Britain
:46:04. > :46:10.has a strong and stable government and a government which is clearly
:46:10. > :46:13.in place until that election in 2015. I think that is an important
:46:13. > :46:18.thing. I pay tribute to the fact that Conservatives and Liberal
:46:18. > :46:20.Democrats have had to put some of their difficulties aside and in the
:46:20. > :46:24.national interest have come together to deliver the long term
:46:24. > :46:32.change the country needs. Of course there are tensions and pressures
:46:32. > :46:35.but why -- I think we are grown-up enough to deal with those. At the
:46:35. > :46:42.next election we will fight as independent parties. We will be
:46:42. > :46:45.fighting to win and whatever happens, happens. What kind of
:46:45. > :46:50.Conservative are you? There has been a lot of debate in the
:46:50. > :46:56.newspapers. Are you really still a Thatcherite, core Conservative,
:46:56. > :47:00.restrained and held back by a coalition or are you naturally a
:47:00. > :47:04.cuddly conservative, a centrist Conservative who enjoy his
:47:04. > :47:08.coalition? I would describe myself as a modern, compassionate
:47:08. > :47:11.conservative. Modern because we have to apply ourselves to the
:47:12. > :47:15.challenges of today. If it is no good looking back to the past.
:47:15. > :47:20.Compassionate, because we must not leave people behind in our country.
:47:20. > :47:25.I think our deficit reduction plan as fair. The richest pay the most.
:47:26. > :47:28.Are trying to protect families on low incomes. I am a Conservative
:47:28. > :47:33.because I believe if you give people more power and control of
:47:33. > :47:37.their lives, they will make great decisions. I do not believe this
:47:37. > :47:40.government is only held back by the cuddly Liberal Democrats. The
:47:41. > :47:45.decision to increase spending on the NHS throughout this Parliament,
:47:45. > :47:51.that was not a liberal or a Labour policy, that was a Conservative
:47:51. > :47:56.policy. Does it frustrate you that the Liberal Democrats take credit
:47:56. > :47:59.for the popular policies? No, it is our job to talk to our party is
:47:59. > :48:02.about what we are achieving coalition. I think the
:48:02. > :48:06.Conservatives can be very proud of the fact that we have frozen the
:48:06. > :48:10.council tax, we have cut corporation tax, we are setting up
:48:10. > :48:13.free schools and academies across the country, we are bringing in
:48:13. > :48:17.reforms which the country needs. There are lots of things the
:48:17. > :48:22.Liberal Democrats can be proud of. The success of one does not have to
:48:22. > :48:28.be at the disadvantage of the other. But there will be a divorce
:48:28. > :48:33.eventually? We are not married! have not signed the papers.
:48:33. > :48:38.happily married but to my wife and not to Nick Clegg! It is not a
:48:38. > :48:41.marriage. It does not end in divorce. It is a coalition where
:48:41. > :48:45.two parties have put aside some of their own interests for the good of
:48:45. > :48:50.the country. We going to the next election a separate parties and I
:48:50. > :48:54.want to win outright a Conservative term. I think we can do even more
:48:54. > :48:59.great things for our country if we achieve that. In the meantime, I
:48:59. > :49:03.have a massive job of work to did. An economy which needs growth. A
:49:03. > :49:08.society which needs strengthening. There is a must for us to do over
:49:08. > :49:13.this five-year term. We started off by talking about the economy and
:49:13. > :49:19.that is a key issue. Vince Cable talked about it being like a war
:49:19. > :49:22.situation. As serious as that. This is a wartime coalition government
:49:22. > :49:29.but it is a wartime coalition government facing economic war, not
:49:29. > :49:32.physical war. There are elements of truth in that. The last time had a
:49:32. > :49:36.coalition government was in wartime. One of the benefits of coalition is
:49:36. > :49:40.you put aside some of your immediate interests to achieve
:49:40. > :49:45.long-term good. You asking country did come behind what the government
:49:45. > :49:49.is doing at a difficult time. The fact that two parties are making
:49:49. > :49:53.defensive decisions and you have one completely outside of that
:49:53. > :49:56.consensus and very backward-looking as we saw last big at their
:49:56. > :50:02.conference, the fact that two parties are making these arguments
:50:02. > :50:05.is helpful at the time of economic difficulty. I sometimes get the
:50:05. > :50:09.impression that going around shopping centres, although there is
:50:09. > :50:13.a lot of talk in places like this about tough times and the economy
:50:13. > :50:18.is in trouble, out there a lot of people have not noticed and are
:50:18. > :50:22.still spending. I don't sense that. I think up-and-down the country, a
:50:22. > :50:26.big one of the biggest shock to people has been the electricity
:50:26. > :50:31.increase at and the gas increases. Put that on top of the family shop
:50:31. > :50:35.and what is happening at the petrol pumps. The wage freeze is necessary.
:50:35. > :50:40.I think a lot of people understand that but those things combined are
:50:40. > :50:44.making life difficult for people. Democracy is government by
:50:44. > :50:50.explanation. We have got to explain all of the time why it is necessary
:50:50. > :50:53.and how we will help people. have always been an optimist but
:50:53. > :50:57.things are bound to get worse before they get better, aren't
:50:57. > :51:01.they? Things are difficult but we have to explain to people what we
:51:01. > :51:05.are trying to build at the end of it. Yesterday I went to this
:51:05. > :51:09.hospital in Warwick and there was a really friendly old guy who was
:51:09. > :51:13.lying in bed, he had hurt his back and he was telling me how proud he
:51:13. > :51:17.was that he had three sons. One worked for Rolls-Royce making the
:51:17. > :51:22.best engines in the world, the other was at Jaguar Land Rover and
:51:22. > :51:26.the third was at Shell. He said I feel my boys are Building Britain's
:51:26. > :51:30.industrial future. I thought what a wonderful way of putting that. We
:51:30. > :51:35.are going to build an economy that is worthwhile, not just worth
:51:35. > :51:41.something but really worthwhile. How with this country going to earn
:51:41. > :51:47.its way in the world? Industry, not simply financial engineering is the
:51:47. > :51:52.answer? Of course. We are brilliant end genius -- inventors in this
:51:52. > :51:55.country. We invented the jet engine, DNA and the World Wide Web. We have
:51:55. > :51:59.got the great universities but we have not had the technical centres
:51:59. > :52:03.and apprenticeships, all of those things which we are now putting in
:52:03. > :52:09.place. There is something better at the end of it. A big agenda and a
:52:09. > :52:12.big vision. Prime Minister, thank you. Over to Louise in London.
:52:12. > :52:16.The Prime Minister has insisted the government is not just sitting back
:52:16. > :52:21.in face of faltering economic growth. He told this programme that
:52:21. > :52:25.building up to 200,000 new houses would be a crucial element of the
:52:25. > :52:29.government's growth strategy. He called for a rational debate about
:52:29. > :52:33.planning same building more homes in the countryside could revitalise
:52:33. > :52:37.villages and rural businesses. A leading charity says there has
:52:37. > :52:42.been a surge in the number of people who cannot afford basic
:52:42. > :52:48.foods. Fair share, who distributes surplus food from supermarkets and
:52:48. > :52:51.manufacturers, says it is facing an unprecedented demand from families.
:52:51. > :52:54.It has seen an increase in the number of requests for help over
:52:54. > :52:57.the last year. The Foreign Office has issued new
:52:57. > :53:02.advice to Britons to avoid all but essential travel to a large stretch
:53:02. > :53:06.of Kenya's coastline close to the Somali border. Yesterday, an
:53:06. > :53:10.elderly French woman was kidnapped from a coastal resort by Somali
:53:10. > :53:13.pirates and last month, British holidaymakers David Tebbutt was
:53:13. > :53:18.killed and his wife, Judith, was taken captive.
:53:18. > :53:23.The next news on BBC One is at midday. Back to Andrew and a moment
:53:23. > :53:26.but first, look at what is coming up after this programme. Today on
:53:26. > :53:30.Sunday Morning Live, David Cameron has said the rich should pay the
:53:30. > :53:34.most to help us out of trouble so is it time for the rich to pay more
:53:34. > :53:38.tax? The leader of the Christian party says we are in danger of
:53:38. > :53:43.treating Christians the way the Nazis treated the Jews. And Colin
:53:43. > :53:47.wild animals, is it inhumane? Join us at 10 o'clock.
:53:47. > :53:52.The Prime Minister is still with me as his Andrew Pierce of the Daily
:53:52. > :53:58.Mail and also Polly Harvey, PJ Harvey, who will be singing for us
:53:58. > :54:01.and won her second that you Music Prize recently. Polly, this is the
:54:01. > :54:06.tradition of the singer-songwriter taking a big political subject, in
:54:06. > :54:09.this case Britain and war and making music so it is going right
:54:09. > :54:15.back to the 60s in some respects? In some respects you could say that.
:54:15. > :54:19.I think the early 60s was the last time that political agenda through
:54:19. > :54:23.music was at the forefront. It hasn't been for many years, or if
:54:23. > :54:27.it has been going on, it has not had a platform with which to be
:54:27. > :54:32.heard. That is largely the case. I feel very hopeful, very optimistic
:54:32. > :54:36.that an album like mine was chosen at this particular point in time.
:54:36. > :54:41.David Cameron will certainly enjoyed the first line of the song
:54:41. > :54:48.you're going to sing for us, God damn Europeans, it starts! You
:54:48. > :54:52.listen to some Morrissey and stuff. Samantha bought PJ Harvey's album
:54:52. > :54:58.from ITN's having seen you win the prize. It was great to do that
:54:58. > :55:03.twice. We have listened to it a couple of times. Very keen. The
:55:03. > :55:07.only war film I have not seen, Hamburger Hill, about Vietnam, the
:55:07. > :55:13.juxtaposition of the music and the scenes and that film are incredibly
:55:13. > :55:20.powerful. I will have to listen to the lyrics. Do you think they are
:55:20. > :55:25.doing all right on culture? I have to say that the county in which I
:55:25. > :55:31.had my cultural education in Somerset has had 100 % cut to arts
:55:31. > :55:37.funding and I worry that the cuts are largely being made in that area.
:55:37. > :55:41.And the whole world seems to be being steered towards economic gain
:55:41. > :55:44.as being the only goal of worth. will pick that up with the Prime
:55:44. > :55:50.Minister in a moment but you had better get yourself ready and get
:55:50. > :55:53.your guitar ready. Thank you. There is a point, we talk about
:55:53. > :55:59.economics all the time but we have got a great cultural background and
:55:59. > :56:04.musical heritage. We are sitting in a building, I'm not just saying
:56:04. > :56:09.this because I am at the BBC, the BBC have put a huge amount of money
:56:09. > :56:13.building a creative hub. We have ITV here as well. The lottery can
:56:13. > :56:17.do a great amount to promote this. What did you make about the
:56:17. > :56:23.interview? Very good because you would expect that from the Prime
:56:23. > :56:26.Minister. You did say it was your job to listen to objectors and
:56:26. > :56:32.people who object to the planning laws, Francis Maude has given an
:56:32. > :56:38.interview where he says opponents are talking nonsense and he used a
:56:38. > :56:44.far more descriptive term. Do you agree with him? There are some
:56:44. > :56:47.scares around there. Partly, a few slimmed-down national guidelines,
:56:47. > :56:53.you are leaving more to local authorities. That does not mean
:56:53. > :56:58.they will build houses on ancient woodland. There is some trust there.
:56:58. > :57:02.You are going to take my job! That is all we have got time for. Thank
:57:02. > :57:07.you to the Prime Minister and all my guests. Next week, we will be
:57:07. > :57:12.back in the studio in London at the later time of 10 past nine. Now we
:57:12. > :57:22.leave you with PJ Harvey and a song from her latest album, The Last
:57:22. > :57:25.
:57:25. > :57:31.# Goddamn Europeans! # Take me back to beautiful England.
:57:31. > :57:36.# And the grey damp filthiness of ages.
:57:36. > :57:41.# And battered books. # And fog rolling down behind the
:57:41. > :57:45.mountains. # On the graveyards and dead sea-
:57:45. > :57:53.captains. # Let me walk through the stinking
:57:53. > :58:02.alleys. # To the music of drunken beatings.
:58:02. > :58:12.# Past the thames river glistening. # Like gold hastily sold.
:58:12. > :58:31.
:58:31. > :58:36.# Let me watch night fall on the river.