:00:41. > :00:45.Good morning. Welcome. No doubt about the main image of the week -
:00:45. > :00:48.an ugly one - the desperate run-to- ground Gadaffi begging for his life
:00:48. > :00:51.before being killed. I guess few people will mourn such a monstrous
:00:51. > :00:57.leader, but let's hope it wasn't a portent for the new Libya A country
:00:57. > :01:01.for which we now presumably have some moral responsibility. We'll
:01:01. > :01:04.see what the politicians here have to say. From Glasgow we have the
:01:04. > :01:07.shadow defence secretary Jim Murphy, and here in the studio the new
:01:07. > :01:09.defence secretary Philip Hammond, who will no doubt have lots to say
:01:09. > :01:12.about the other great issues in today's papers, the financial
:01:12. > :01:18.crisis in the Eurozone and tomorrow's Commons showdown over a
:01:18. > :01:23.European referendum. So, is Cameron right to take on the Tory
:01:23. > :01:25.eurosceptics? One of them, former Conservative minister John Redwood,
:01:25. > :01:32.joins us to review those papers, alongside Shami Chakrabati from
:01:32. > :01:36.Liberty. But there's another great issue facing the United Kingdom
:01:36. > :01:39.which is running very hot just now. The party conference season is not
:01:39. > :01:42.over, the Scottish Nationalists are meeting in very fine fettle - an
:01:42. > :01:45.electoral system meant to prevent any single party winning control of
:01:45. > :01:54.the parliament in Edinburgh has been confounded and the SNP's
:01:54. > :01:58.firmly in charge. So are we now on the fast track to the end of the
:01:58. > :02:05.UK? Scotland's first minister and SNP leader Alex Salmond joins us
:02:05. > :02:09.from Inverness. Plus not one but two great figures of stage and
:02:09. > :02:15.screen. Vanessa Redgrave plays England's Queen Elizabeth in a new
:02:15. > :02:18.film which argues that Shakespeare didn't write Shakespeare's plays.
:02:18. > :02:24.She's here to talk about that and Driving Miss Daisy, the West End
:02:24. > :02:34.hit play. And we'll be hearing from one of the world's top opera
:02:34. > :02:35.
:02:35. > :02:40.singers, the diva with the mostest, Angela Georgiou.
:02:40. > :02:42.Before all that the news from Naga Munchetty.
:02:42. > :02:46.Good morning. Libya's National Transitional Council will today
:02:46. > :02:51.formally announce the country's liberation. The first elections
:02:51. > :02:53.have been promised within eight months, and full democracy by 2013.
:02:53. > :02:57.Colonel Gadaffi's body remains on display in the city of Misrata,
:02:57. > :03:07.with growing confusion over how he died. From Tripoli, Katya Adler
:03:07. > :03:11.
:03:11. > :03:15.reports. Victorious fighters, returning from the front line back
:03:15. > :03:21.to their home town, Benghazi. This is where the Libyan uprising
:03:21. > :03:26.started, and this is where it will formally end later today with the
:03:26. > :03:34.declaration of liberation. But questions about exactly how Colonel
:03:34. > :03:38.Gaddafi died are still being asked. This is the ambulance carrying his
:03:38. > :03:45.body from Sirte to Misrata, surrounded by a convoy of jubilant
:03:45. > :03:50.fighters. At one stage it stops. This man is paraded before the
:03:50. > :03:55.camera. He acts out how he says he killed Colonel Gaddafi. The man
:03:55. > :04:01.beside him says "this is the guy who killed Colonel Gaddafi with his
:04:01. > :04:05.hands, using this. He did it right in front of me, I saw it." The
:04:05. > :04:11.official version is that Colonel Gaddafi was killed in crossfire
:04:11. > :04:17.after being captured alive. He was not beaten or executed, they say.
:04:17. > :04:23.We have the coroner's report. I saw the body myself. There were no
:04:24. > :04:29.bruises on his face or body. If someone abused his body, you know,
:04:30. > :04:34.that was the perfect chance. They would hit him 10,000 times before
:04:34. > :04:38.they shoot him. International groups have called for an
:04:38. > :04:43.investigation into his death. For the time being, his body is still
:04:43. > :04:48.on display in Misrata. The ultimate trophy of war for the fighters who
:04:48. > :04:50.captured him. There are no signs yet of the body being handed over
:04:50. > :04:53.for burial. Tunisia is holding its first
:04:53. > :04:57.election since the uprising which forced the former dictator, Zine El
:04:57. > :04:59.Abidine Ben Ali, from power. His removal, which followed weeks of
:04:59. > :05:04.demonstrations, has been seen as the catalyst for other protest
:05:04. > :05:06.movements across the Arab world. Tunisians are voting for an
:05:06. > :05:11.assembly which will draft a new constitution before appointing a
:05:11. > :05:14.president. The Prime Minister David Cameron
:05:14. > :05:17.will join a summit in Brussels today, aimed at finally agreeing a
:05:17. > :05:20.solution to the crisis in the eurozone. EU leaders will discuss
:05:20. > :05:25.writing down Greece's debt, and how to finance a big increase in bail-
:05:25. > :05:33.out funds. The German Chancellor Angela Merkel, has promised that
:05:33. > :05:38.everything necessary will be done to stabilise the single currency.
:05:38. > :05:43.Brussels is going to be busier over the next few days - summits and big
:05:43. > :05:50.decisions to make about stabilising the European financial system. Last
:05:50. > :05:55.night centre-right leaders held preparatory meeting and Angela
:05:55. > :05:59.Merkel spoke about the task. There are difficult negotiations. It is
:05:59. > :06:05.important that Germany and France participate actively and that is
:06:05. > :06:08.what we have been doing. Now we have reached a more realistic
:06:08. > :06:14.appraisal of the situation in Greece, I think we will provide
:06:14. > :06:18.everything that is needed to protect the euro. The deal on
:06:18. > :06:22.recapitalising European banks has been done but it is contingent on
:06:22. > :06:26.other things being agreed over the next few days. For more of Greece's
:06:26. > :06:32.debt will have to be written off and that means banks will have to
:06:32. > :06:36.take a much bigger hit. How much debt and how big a hit, there are a
:06:36. > :06:41.variety of opinions. There is intense technical debate about how
:06:41. > :06:44.to increase the firepower of the euro-zone's rescue formed. It is
:06:45. > :06:50.vital because it will have to help protect bigger countries like Italy
:06:50. > :06:53.and Spain, and prevent Europe's financial woes from spreading out
:06:53. > :06:56.of control. Services at St Paul's Cathedral in
:06:56. > :07:00.London will be performed in private this morning because of an anti-
:07:00. > :07:03.capitalism protest taking place outside. The Occupy London
:07:03. > :07:06.demonstrators have been at St Paul's for a week. It's the first
:07:06. > :07:09.time since the Blitz that the public will be excluded from Sunday
:07:09. > :07:12.services. Hundreds of well wishers have
:07:12. > :07:17.turned out in Canberra to see the Queen as she attended church with
:07:17. > :07:20.Prince Philip. After the service she had lunch with a host of famous
:07:21. > :07:24.Australians, including the King's Speech actor Geoffrey Rush. The
:07:24. > :07:29.Queen is in Australia for an eleven day tour, which ends on Friday with
:07:29. > :07:38.a meeting of the commonwealth's heads of state. That's all from me
:07:38. > :07:41.for now, I'll be back just before ten with the headlines. Well, the
:07:41. > :07:44.papers in a minute but first let's get Labour's take on Gaddafi's fall
:07:44. > :07:53.and what it all means for our defence policy with the Shadow
:07:53. > :07:57.Defence Secretary, Jim Murphy, who joins us from Glasgow. Good morning.
:07:57. > :08:03.Do you think as a country we still have moral responsibility for what
:08:03. > :08:08.happens now in Libya? It is a fragile situation, and in some
:08:08. > :08:12.respects a dangerous one. Undoubtedly we do, and part of that
:08:12. > :08:17.responsibility is getting to the bottom of what happened to Colonel
:08:17. > :08:23.Gaddafi. No one really mourns his death but we need to get to the
:08:23. > :08:33.fact. Having engaged rightly in the military operations in Libya, we
:08:33. > :08:37.have to engage in creating peace. Despite the professionalism of our
:08:37. > :08:42.forces, will have to engage to try to build something better. So this
:08:42. > :08:47.will be a financial commitment for some time to come? It will be
:08:47. > :08:51.financial, and also political. On the military side, I hope the
:08:51. > :08:55.British government can persuade some of those NATO allies to carry
:08:55. > :08:59.most of the burden in rebuilding the country because it is right
:08:59. > :09:07.that we got involved in the way we did, but it can't always be us and
:09:07. > :09:11.a small number of nations to do the fighting and stabilising. Our
:09:11. > :09:16.forces are stretched in Afghanistan and what elsewhere. We have a new
:09:16. > :09:21.defence secretary of course now. What would be your message to him
:09:21. > :09:25.about the highly controversial cuts that have for been made to the
:09:25. > :09:32.military? Can any of those be reversed? Is it practical politics
:09:32. > :09:39.to look again at some of the issues surrounding the aircraft carriers?
:09:39. > :09:43.Philip will prove he is his own man. Liam Fox in his role as Defence
:09:43. > :09:49.Secretary had a headlong rush into removing many of our capabilities.
:09:49. > :09:54.Look at Libya again as an example. There will be sailors who will be
:09:54. > :09:57.sacked, ships that will be scrapped and aircraft that will be
:09:57. > :10:01.decommissioned. They did a remarkable job in Libya but if it
:10:01. > :10:07.had happened a couple of years from now, we would not have the
:10:07. > :10:11.capability we deployed now. My message is really to look afresh at
:10:11. > :10:16.the security and the Defence security review, to see if things
:10:16. > :10:20.can be done more gently and slowly, and maintain the credibility.
:10:20. > :10:25.will be speaking to Alex Salmond. It seemed the Scottish will have
:10:25. > :10:32.three choices - the status quo, full independence, or something
:10:32. > :10:37.that has been referred to as devolution Max. Is that something
:10:37. > :10:46.that Labour in Scotland could support? May have got to explain
:10:46. > :10:53.what it is they are trying to do with devolution marks, it is not
:10:53. > :10:59.quiet clear what it means. They have got to be making a choice, to
:10:59. > :11:05.be part of the UK or not. One of the things which is clear now is
:11:05. > :11:09.the era of scrutiny free assertion by the SNP is coming to an end. If
:11:09. > :11:19.you want to break up the UK, you have got to have answers about
:11:19. > :11:19.
:11:19. > :11:25.currency, membership of the EU, pensions and so much else they --
:11:25. > :11:30.so much else besides. It is my country, it is my flak, I am a
:11:30. > :11:35.passionate Scotsman and I want what is best for Scotland, and most
:11:35. > :11:40.people believe that his remaining part of the UK. One of the most
:11:40. > :11:43.successful nations ever seen on this earth. Tomorrow in the House
:11:43. > :11:48.of Commons people will be talking about a referendum on British
:11:48. > :11:51.membership of the EU. A huge number of Labour supporters would also
:11:51. > :12:01.like to see such a referendum, and indeed quite a few Labour MPs. Is
:12:01. > :12:03.
:12:04. > :12:08.it write to be whipping them tomorrow? They have a referendum,
:12:08. > :12:12.and a Conservative Party that didn't have it on their manifesto,
:12:13. > :12:17.being demanded of them by so many of their backbenchers. It will
:12:17. > :12:21.remind many of the people in the country of the Major government. We
:12:21. > :12:26.have high unemployment, a minister resigning because of bad behaviour,
:12:26. > :12:30.and massive schisms about Europe. It is the way the Tories seem to
:12:30. > :12:34.behave whenever they are in government. We won't do the
:12:34. > :12:38.opportunistic thing, we will give a gold-plated guarantee to David,
:12:38. > :12:45.that we will protect him from his own Euro-sceptics in the vote.
:12:45. > :12:50.Thank you. Now to the papers. Here is a few
:12:50. > :12:53.headlines for years. The Sunday Times is leading on a story saying
:12:53. > :13:00.University entries are dropping like a stone, this is after the
:13:00. > :13:07.hike in fees coming in next year. It quotes one University in London
:13:07. > :13:12.says applications are down by 40%. We have talked about the vote in
:13:12. > :13:17.the House of Commons, put the Observer have another story here
:13:18. > :13:24.saying the population of the world could grow to 15 billion people by
:13:24. > :13:30.2100. That is much higher than people have expected. The Sunday
:13:30. > :13:35.Express, the BBC blows your cash on 100 leading parties, about parties
:13:35. > :13:41.for BBC staff allegedly. Or I can say is the Andrew Marr Show has a
:13:41. > :13:46.Christmas party and we pay for every crumb of bread and drop of
:13:46. > :13:51.wine ourselves. The Sunday Telegraph - new euro empire plot by
:13:51. > :13:56.Brussels, we will pick up on that as well. The Independent on Sunday
:13:56. > :14:01.has the map of what is happening in the Arab Spring. Finally, because
:14:01. > :14:07.we have Alex Salmond on later on, Scotland on Sunday says Alex
:14:07. > :14:11.Salmond faces a backlash, and that is from Scottish nationalists who
:14:11. > :14:15.worry the middle option of devolution light might make it
:14:15. > :14:18.harder to win full independence. And with me to review the papers
:14:18. > :14:23.are John Redwood and Shami Chakrabarti. We are going to start
:14:23. > :14:27.with Gaddafi. Back in Libya, I'm afraid, and a few more ghoulish
:14:27. > :14:32.moment of dwelling on these pictures of the dead dictator. I
:14:32. > :14:37.was glad to hear Jim Murphy and others saying we must investigate
:14:37. > :14:41.the circumstances around the death. Interestingly, people didn't say
:14:41. > :14:45.that about Bin Laden, but I do think it is important when you take
:14:45. > :14:51.on these great interventions and struggles in freedom's name that
:14:51. > :14:55.what follows should be built on the rule of law, which does not include
:14:55. > :15:00.targeted assassination, if that is what has happened here. You could
:15:00. > :15:05.argue that it is better for Libya that there will not be a trial.
:15:05. > :15:09.Whether it is trials in the UK or the Hague, there are so many
:15:09. > :15:19.convenient reasons and excuses. are in favour of trials.
:15:19. > :15:25.
:15:25. > :15:30.The thought is worth less and less people accept the general rules. --
:15:30. > :15:35.in the vote is worthless. Absolutely. Here is Peter Hitchens
:15:35. > :15:41.in the Mail on Sunday. He is coming from the right and on the following
:15:41. > :15:47.page, Suzanne Moore coming from the left. Both say much the same thing.
:15:47. > :15:52.Colonel Gaddafi was cruelly murdered by a mob. This discussed
:15:52. > :15:56.example is typical of the sordid revelations that our government has
:15:56. > :16:04.decided to endorse. The British media reported the spectacle in
:16:04. > :16:11.gleeful columns. I do not think that this is a left or right issue.
:16:11. > :16:16.It is a bedrock issue. I think that is over the top. Did was done and a
:16:16. > :16:22.lot of deaths were averted. Any civilian death is one death too
:16:22. > :16:28.many. The intervention was difficult. On balance, I supported
:16:28. > :16:34.it to prevent an atrocity. But what happens next must be based on the
:16:34. > :16:38.rule of law. The Mail on Sunday has a very interesting opinion poll. It
:16:38. > :16:44.shows that the majority of the public want their MPs to rebel
:16:44. > :16:49.against a three-line whips imposed by all parties on the Europe issue.
:16:49. > :16:54.It also shows enormous support for the idea of renegotiating as soon
:16:54. > :17:00.as possible. People feel we do not get a good deal and they know that
:17:00. > :17:04.Europe is going through a massive change. Surely this is the natural
:17:04. > :17:12.moment for Britain to say, we want a different relationship? We want
:17:12. > :17:15.to be friends with them, but we do not want a government. We have
:17:15. > :17:25.heard Jim Murphy saying that people will help Labour out against their
:17:25. > :17:25.
:17:25. > :17:31.own liable. -- rebels. Over 100,000 people have said we wanted to
:17:31. > :17:36.debate this. I admire the Prime Minister's stance. He has said that
:17:36. > :17:42.when people want something debated in Parliament, we should debated.
:17:42. > :17:47.Parliament should be responsive. I want a free vote on this so
:17:47. > :17:51.Parliament can express its view. Now you have the government whips
:17:51. > :17:56.putting real pressure on presumably people like you. It looks like the
:17:56. > :18:02.Government will lose some of his junior members. That is a
:18:02. > :18:05.possibility. It is clear that the Government, because most Labour MPs
:18:05. > :18:11.and because almost all Liberal- Democrat MPs will vote against it,
:18:11. > :18:14.that they will win by a country mile. But the public will want to
:18:14. > :18:19.feel that their view was taken seriously and that there is a body
:18:19. > :18:24.in the House of Commons are like to express its view. That is what the
:18:25. > :18:30.electors want, it is what they put us there today. I would have
:18:30. > :18:35.terrible trouble back home if I voted with the Government on Monday.
:18:35. > :18:40.It is not that this is legislation passed next week that would pull
:18:40. > :18:46.Britain out of the EU. It would have a clarifying effect for the
:18:47. > :18:51.future. Why do you think David Cameron is being this then? I do
:18:51. > :18:56.not know. He would be better advised not to do it for the reason
:18:56. > :19:02.I have described. He can defeat the motion, but if he does it in a
:19:02. > :19:06.sensible way, it would be better for him. I find a Liberal Democrat
:19:06. > :19:09.hypocrisy breathtaking. They were the only party who campaigned in
:19:09. > :19:16.the last election for a referendum on Europe and now they have a
:19:16. > :19:20.chance to vote for it. This debate becomes intermingled abide debates
:19:20. > :19:28.on Human Rights. It is very unhelpful. I think we need a
:19:28. > :19:33.greater clarity on this. We have the Independent On Sunday setting
:19:33. > :19:38.out a -- a setting egg some of the rebels. A lot of the brand new
:19:38. > :19:48.intake of Conservative sick -- Conservatives are obviously
:19:48. > :19:51.
:19:51. > :19:57.concerned about this. These MPs are very disappointed if they are not
:19:57. > :20:03.allowed to vote in because they believe in. Your next story, Shami,
:20:03. > :20:09.the east of Europe. We're going to Russia, this is the Litvinenko
:20:09. > :20:13.assassination. Apparently a coroner in London has ruled that Mrs
:20:13. > :20:19.Litvinenko is entitled to more of an investigation than we have had
:20:19. > :20:24.so far. This comes hot on the heels of the report into Britain's
:20:24. > :20:28.extradition arrangements. It is a classic moral dilemma for
:20:28. > :20:33.governments because every time ministers go to Moscow they say,
:20:33. > :20:38.stop talking about Litvinenko if you want to stop speaking about are
:20:38. > :20:48.the serious matters with us. Absolutely and we're told that the
:20:48. > :20:48.
:20:48. > :20:51.Russian Federation does not allow extradition of security agents. And
:20:51. > :20:57.yet Britain's extradition arrangements allow people to be
:20:57. > :21:02.parcelled off around the world. That is a good point. You have
:21:02. > :21:07.chosen Greeks bearing large cheques books for your next story. Yeah s,
:21:07. > :21:11.there are a lot of rich Greeks, we are told. The Sunday Times has this
:21:11. > :21:16.story that tells us that a lot of rich Greeks are taking their money
:21:17. > :21:24.out, and taking themselves off to homes elsewhere, particularly in
:21:24. > :21:29.London, so Greece is not getting the benefit of their spending. They
:21:29. > :21:34.are paying a ever crazier prices for land and properties so British
:21:34. > :21:41.people are being priced out. People are fleeing Greece because of the
:21:41. > :21:47.euro. She ramie, another story from you. We have had the London Film
:21:47. > :21:52.Festival. -- Shami Chakrabarti. Phelan continues to be a way that
:21:52. > :21:57.lots of us look at the world. There is a film coming out next week. It
:21:57. > :22:03.is based on a novel dealing with the civil rights struggle in the
:22:03. > :22:12.Deep South, in the 1950s. I got to see it in America over the summer,
:22:12. > :22:16.but it has proved desperately controversial. Why? Apparently some
:22:16. > :22:22.people in the new civil rights movement in America, lots of black
:22:22. > :22:28.Americans in particular, feel that it is patronising. It is to
:22:28. > :22:33.saccharin for the mainstream, and yet you have got to take the whole
:22:33. > :22:37.of the audience with you. We will be speaking about another
:22:37. > :22:44.controversial film with Vanessa Redgrave later on. We must not miss
:22:44. > :22:48.the inflation stories. No, and they'd is a stories here about the
:22:48. > :22:53.inflation letters that the Bank of England governor has to write, and
:22:53. > :22:57.how they are becoming a routine that does not mean anything.
:22:57. > :23:03.Remember the savers, the investors, the people that do not want the
:23:03. > :23:09.value of their money eroded. Inflation is now higher than 5%,
:23:09. > :23:14.and people are saying, get your act together. Time for a couple of
:23:14. > :23:19.brief last stories. St Paul's Cathedral, everyone wants to get
:23:19. > :23:24.married there, it seems, from the royals to ordinary people.
:23:24. > :23:28.Yesterday there was a wedding that went ahead in spite of the anti-
:23:28. > :23:33.capitalist protest. There is a nice picture in the Mail on Sunday and
:23:33. > :23:37.smiles all round. And yet we have this debate about the cathedral
:23:37. > :23:44.being effectively close to the public because of the protest
:23:44. > :23:50.outside. I believe in the right to peaceful protest. But I have not
:23:50. > :23:55.quite work out why the cathedral has to be closed. This is a story
:23:55. > :23:59.from the Express on Charlie Taylor, the new man going into try and sort
:23:59. > :24:03.out school discipline so that pupils can learn more in what is
:24:03. > :24:08.currently bad schools. There is a harrowing story of the battles he
:24:08. > :24:11.fought to turn around the school. But he did it very well. I wish him
:24:11. > :24:20.every success. Let's take a look at every success. Let's take a look at
:24:20. > :24:25.the weather. Good morning. The weather looks
:24:25. > :24:31.fairly mixed across the UK for the weekend. It is set to start on a
:24:31. > :24:33.wet note with some heavy rain and with a brisk winds. By the end of
:24:33. > :24:38.the weekend should turn drier and brighter with more in the way of
:24:38. > :24:44.sunshine. It will be a wet story for Northern Ireland and Scotland
:24:44. > :24:50.with torrential downpours this morning. Windy on the Irish Sea
:24:50. > :24:56.coast with GUS a 50 mph. For the rest of us, it will be a bright day.
:24:56. > :25:02.-- with winds of 50 mph. Temperatures tonight around 18
:25:02. > :25:08.degrees in the south. Overnight, Wales will see rain. But later, it
:25:08. > :25:12.will be dry with varying amounts of cloud. Thanks to the strength of
:25:12. > :25:19.the winds, temperatures will stay in double figures. There will be
:25:19. > :25:23.more rain on Monday, in the south- west and Northern Ireland. In the
:25:23. > :25:29.East, another sunny day with lots of blue sky. But it will feel cold
:25:29. > :25:33.in the strength of the winds. This band of rain will pieces -- this
:25:33. > :25:35.band of rain will push east on Wednesday.
:25:35. > :25:40.Wednesday. That is all from me.
:25:40. > :25:44.The SNP has an overall majority in the Edinburgh parliament after the
:25:44. > :25:49.elections this spring which resulted in the leaders of all the
:25:49. > :25:52.other main parties resigning, which left Alex Salmond as the undisputed
:25:53. > :25:58.big man of Scottish politics as First Minister, with an agenda
:25:58. > :26:02.centred on giving the Scots a referendum on independence. But it
:26:02. > :26:07.seems he wants to give them the option of independence-lite, so
:26:07. > :26:11.what is that all about? Is he going soft in his old age. What does he
:26:11. > :26:18.say to these critics who want to know about his Scottish military
:26:18. > :26:24.and what currency the Scots would use? I am very relieved. I thought
:26:24. > :26:29.you were going to call me the undisputed king of Scotland! I was
:26:29. > :26:36.not referring to anything other than your political position. But
:26:36. > :26:46.you are in a dominant position. I can remember you when you were slim.
:26:46. > :26:49.
:26:49. > :26:53.You are digging yourself into a whole? -- into a hole! You're
:26:53. > :26:58.offering a referendum which gives people full independence as one
:26:58. > :27:04.option, the status quo as another option, but this devolution max
:27:04. > :27:11.option in between? Can you explain what that option would mean?
:27:11. > :27:16.Firstly, can I just say that what would be in the ballot paper is a
:27:16. > :27:20.straight yes, no question to independence. Secondly, on the
:27:20. > :27:25.timescale that we laid out in the election campaign, in the second
:27:25. > :27:28.half of this parliamentary term. I know this is an unusual concept at
:27:28. > :27:35.Westminster but we thought that we should stick to what we said in the
:27:35. > :27:40.election. The proposal is to have a second question in the same way
:27:40. > :27:45.that we did in 1977 which would offer fiscal autonomy option. The
:27:45. > :27:50.point I have made is for those who propose that, for example one of my
:27:50. > :27:56.predecessors, Henry McLeish, the Labour First Minister, to come
:27:56. > :28:00.forward with their view on what that is. I am not for limiting the
:28:00. > :28:06.choices of the Scottish people, I will leave that to Westminster.
:28:06. > :28:10.you know, your critics, both on the national side and the Unionist side,
:28:10. > :28:16.they suggest that this third option, soft option, is there because
:28:16. > :28:21.you're not sure that you can win in independence vote? Thought you
:28:21. > :28:31.should not be misled by Scotland On Sunday. I know that is the only
:28:31. > :28:36.Scottish paper you have there. They are unique in their interpretation
:28:36. > :28:42.of the SNP conference. This is an extraordinarily united party which
:28:42. > :28:49.has doubled in size. We had to have five-over spell halls yesterday to
:28:49. > :28:59.accommodate our conference. We are the only political party in this
:28:59. > :29:02.
:29:02. > :29:05.island who are popular. What about the substantive point? The point is
:29:05. > :29:11.that I'm confident that we will win the referendum on Scottish
:29:11. > :29:16.independence. We will offer that yes, no question on independence in
:29:16. > :29:25.the timescale that we said we would. What currency within independent
:29:25. > :29:30.Scotland have? We would keep the it -- in the sterling until it was to
:29:30. > :29:35.Scotland's economic advantage to join the euro. That is a position
:29:35. > :29:40.not unlike that held by various political parties in the United
:29:40. > :29:45.Kingdom over the years. Would you have an independent Scottish
:29:45. > :29:51.military? Yes, we would, because there are two big advantages of
:29:51. > :29:55.having that, one is that you would be able to decide not to take part
:29:55. > :30:00.in a legal war such as Iraq, or to take part in United Nations
:30:00. > :30:04.sanction the actions, like protecting the people of Libya. The
:30:04. > :30:11.other reason is of course it would allow it the removal of weapons of
:30:11. > :30:16.mass destruction, the obscenity of spending �100 billion on a new
:30:16. > :30:20.generation of Trident missiles. These are two overwhelming reasons
:30:20. > :30:30.for having an independent Scottish armed forces. These would co-
:30:30. > :30:32.
:30:32. > :30:36.operate with our western allies and We know there is major new
:30:36. > :30:39.investment going into North Sea and Atlantic oil so you would expect
:30:39. > :30:47.revenues from that, but on the other side would an independent
:30:47. > :30:52.Scotland accept its share of debt, which, there would be about �77
:30:52. > :30:57.billion worth. Yes, and the only thing that makes it Palin to
:30:57. > :31:02.insignificance is the size of the United Kingdom debt, pushing to one
:31:02. > :31:10.trillion pounds. It is a big number and it is only dwarfed by the
:31:10. > :31:16.trillion pound assert that the remaining North Sea assets revenues
:31:16. > :31:22.would bring. The United Kingdom unfortunately has debts which are
:31:22. > :31:26.extraordinary, and the asset don't tend to match up to it. We are very
:31:26. > :31:33.happy to be reasonable, to accept our obligations as well as claiming
:31:33. > :31:39.ownership of our own resources. It is not trust investment in the
:31:39. > :31:44.North Sea we have seen in Scotland. We have seen major international
:31:44. > :31:48.companies, all Jews in Scotland as the base for their international
:31:48. > :31:56.operations. In your waters, do you think Scotland will be independent
:31:56. > :32:01.by the end of the next parliament in Edinburgh? In my heart, in my
:32:01. > :32:08.head, I think Scotland will become an independent country within the
:32:08. > :32:13.European Community with a friendly relationship in these islands.
:32:13. > :32:16.would like to ask you about Libya because the final fall of the
:32:16. > :32:20.Gaddafi regime does give the opportunity for reopening some of
:32:20. > :32:25.the questions about what really happened over Lockerbie and all of
:32:25. > :32:32.that. Would you welcome that, and what steps will be taken from
:32:32. > :32:36.Edinburgh to start to reopen that story and get the truth? I do
:32:36. > :32:39.welcome that, and of course I welcome the fact that the new
:32:39. > :32:44.transitional government have said to our Crown Office they will co-
:32:44. > :32:50.operate fully with Scottish police and prosecutors in supplying any
:32:50. > :32:54.information that comes forward. They have made it clear that if
:32:54. > :33:04.substantial information comes forward, this is an open case and
:33:04. > :33:04.
:33:04. > :33:10.could lead to further proceedings. I welcome that progress.
:33:10. > :33:16.wouldn't tried to have al-Megrahi request and or brought back in any
:33:16. > :33:22.way? I don't see the intent of purpose in bringing him back from
:33:22. > :33:27.Libya to Scotland. He was released under Scots law. This long as he
:33:27. > :33:31.conforms to the licence of release, there is no reason to do that. In
:33:31. > :33:35.terms of the full Crown Office already being involved in asking
:33:35. > :33:40.for the questions, and I welcome the information offered by the new
:33:40. > :33:49.Libyan government to make further progress, this remains an open
:33:49. > :33:53.investigation. No one suggested al- Megrahi acted alone. That leaves
:33:53. > :33:58.the investigation open and hopefully we can make progress.
:33:58. > :34:00.Alex Salmond, thank you. She may be from one of Britain's
:34:00. > :34:03.great acting dynasties but Vanessa Redgrave has always been a
:34:03. > :34:09.vigorously rebellious outsider who is never happier than when she's
:34:09. > :34:14.assailing the establishment. For nearly 50 years she has championed
:34:14. > :34:19.radical, unpopular causes. Her off- stage life has been one of drama,
:34:19. > :34:22.heartache, triumph and loss. She is currently starring in London's West
:34:22. > :34:25.End, and has two intriguing new films out soon, both with a
:34:25. > :34:33.Shakespearean link. Here she is as an unforgettable Elizabeth I in
:34:33. > :34:41.Anonymous. Are you the gift, my gracious little man? No, my
:34:41. > :34:50.gracious Majesty. I am a free man. The gift is a play. Plays are the
:34:50. > :35:00.work of the devil. Comedy or tragedy? Comedy, Your Majesty.
:35:00. > :35:07.
:35:07. > :35:13.whom? By anonymous, Your Majesty. Anonymous. I so admire his verse.
:35:13. > :35:18.Welcome. Anonymous there, because the idea behind this play is that
:35:18. > :35:23.it wasn't the man from Stratford who wrote Shakespeare's works, but
:35:23. > :35:30.actually the Earl of Oxford, which is... I know lots of leading
:35:30. > :35:35.Shakespearean actors believe this, but there is no evidence, is there?
:35:35. > :35:38.They raised as much evidence for it, I would counter, as there is for
:35:38. > :35:45.the actor Shakespeare having written the plays that carried his
:35:45. > :35:51.name. It is great fun, this, wonderful recreation through CGI of
:35:51. > :35:55.what Elizabethan London might have been like. But you didn't have, as
:35:55. > :36:05.a long-term actress, you didn't have any worries about undermining
:36:05. > :36:10.the Shakespeare position in a film like this? I hope all films are
:36:10. > :36:17.sent out to schools in the UK, in Europe, and in America and
:36:18. > :36:22.Australia and Asia and Africa. Of course I hope, because I think
:36:22. > :36:32.enquiry's contribute to understanding, and because I do
:36:32. > :36:33.
:36:33. > :36:37.think this is an enthralling film, wonderful film, I think as I was
:36:37. > :36:42.checking up what on earth I could say to you quickly - and I am not
:36:42. > :36:47.good at being quick dash for this morning, but I was checking that
:36:47. > :36:53.what George Bernard Shaw said that all hypotheses lead to a very
:36:53. > :37:00.viable solution. There have been a lot of inquiries over the years,
:37:00. > :37:04.but it is sort of an industry you know, Shakespeare, so it's not a
:37:04. > :37:09.challenge to say it everybody is rubbish who believes that the actor
:37:09. > :37:16.William Shakespeare wrote those plays, but I do wonder, being an
:37:16. > :37:20.actor myself, and having acted in companies over months, etc, I don't
:37:20. > :37:25.know if it is possible to write those plays while you are working
:37:25. > :37:30.full-time as an actor. So it is that, rather than the argument that
:37:30. > :37:34.he was not educated enough? don't know if he was educated at
:37:34. > :37:39.all. We don't have to be educated to be a very good actor. But she
:37:39. > :37:45.would have to be educated to write those plays. A you would, of course
:37:45. > :37:50.you would. They carry a breadth and depth of mentality and philosophy
:37:50. > :37:57.that are rare anytime, anyplace, and certainly were rare in those
:37:57. > :38:03.times. It does strike me also, Ben Johnson was buried in Westminster
:38:03. > :38:07.Abbey, Edwin Spencer whose poetry I don't like but is considered and
:38:07. > :38:10.certainly was by his contemporaries the great poet, buried in
:38:10. > :38:17.Westminster Abbey. William Shakespeare wasn't buried in
:38:17. > :38:22.Westminster Abbey. That is an interesting question. One of the
:38:22. > :38:27.Stratford argument is that many of the Shakespeare plays came out
:38:27. > :38:35.after the Earl of Oxford had died. One of those is of course
:38:35. > :38:43.Coriolanus, which is a fantastic explanation about a military hard
:38:43. > :38:48.man rising to power. A proud nobleman, yes. Of great nobility
:38:48. > :38:56.and pride and martial combat. you play his mother from this
:38:56. > :39:02.powerful military family. The film has been made in the Balkans with a
:39:02. > :39:08.contemporary Balkan twist to it. don't think it is particularly a
:39:08. > :39:18.Balkan twist. There are tourists everywhere, not only in the Balkans.
:39:18. > :39:27.But this is a contemporary story of the rise and then fall of the sort
:39:27. > :39:37.of brute innocence. No, the more studies of the period right across
:39:37. > :39:38.
:39:38. > :39:42.Europe, as well as in England, started very early on in the 1400s,
:39:42. > :39:47.ending in the late Renaissance, the more you see the extraordinary,
:39:47. > :39:57.especially during the Elizabethan years, the extraordinary
:39:57. > :39:57.
:39:57. > :40:01.combination in the nobles of bestiality, yes, cruelty, yes, and
:40:01. > :40:06.extraordinary education and culture combined with a love of the arts.
:40:06. > :40:11.That is known as a Renaissance mentality because we haven't seen
:40:11. > :40:17.such people exist at any other time. We remember the art and forget the
:40:17. > :40:24.cruelty sometimes. I don't because I have studied the history so much.
:40:24. > :40:28.Before we finish... I don't know if Shakespeare was William the actor,
:40:28. > :40:33.they don't forget the cruelty either, that is what most of the
:40:33. > :40:39.plays are about. I must ask you about Driving Miss Daisy, a very
:40:39. > :40:45.well known film in its time. wonderful play. This is very much
:40:45. > :40:50.about themes of bigotry. You could connected with the help you would
:40:50. > :40:57.just speaking about in the newspapers. It is a true story
:40:57. > :41:03.based on Alfred Uhry's own mother and her generation, and James Earl
:41:03. > :41:09.Jones is superb. I love playing in it. It is a big challenge. It has
:41:09. > :41:13.got a lot of texture, and the more we play it the more we realise that
:41:13. > :41:20.there is contained in these apparently simple scenes, and we do
:41:20. > :41:25.make the audience very happy. you aged over the course of this
:41:25. > :41:33.play, a long period of time. Yes, I am nearly 100 by the time at the
:41:33. > :41:43.end. Thank you. We will see a few images of that. I admire you to
:41:43. > :41:44.
:41:44. > :41:50.have that discussion so quickly. Thank you. Great to have you on.
:41:50. > :41:56.I am still in control of what goes on in my car. Where are you going?
:41:56. > :42:01.To the grocery store. Turn down more Holland Avenue. I know where
:42:01. > :42:06.it is, and I want to go. That is three blocks out of the way.
:42:06. > :42:13.back, this minute. Driving Miss Daisy.
:42:13. > :42:17.Philip Hammond has taken over as defence secretary at a curious time.
:42:17. > :42:23.The war against Gaddafi is over, and the most controversial defence
:42:23. > :42:27.cuts for many years have been announced. But Libya will be partly
:42:27. > :42:32.his responsibility, and there is Afghanistan and the armed forces
:42:32. > :42:37.feeling bruised by the cuts. Welcome. Can I ask first bought the
:42:37. > :42:42.same question I was asking Jim Murphy. Do you think we have moral
:42:42. > :42:46.responsibility for what happens now in Libya? The international
:42:46. > :42:50.community that came together to support the Libyans and allow them
:42:50. > :42:56.to liberate their country does have ongoing responsibility, yes.
:42:57. > :43:01.Including us. That will mean some kind of continuing financial and
:43:01. > :43:05.potentially military commitment? will certainly mean a commitment to
:43:06. > :43:11.help them with their reconstruction effort, but let's be clear - Libya
:43:12. > :43:16.is potentially a rich country. It is oil-producing. The military
:43:16. > :43:20.campaign executed with professionalism by the UK and other
:43:20. > :43:25.armed forces has carefully avoided major damage to the infrastructure
:43:25. > :43:31.so the number one priority will be to get Libya back on its feet so it
:43:31. > :43:35.can generate the wealth that will enable it to create reconstruction.
:43:35. > :43:38.That will be the choice of direction. We know this is a
:43:38. > :43:41.country where there are many different tribes with a history of
:43:42. > :43:46.fighting each other. It has only had one election in its entire
:43:46. > :43:51.history. It is a dangerous place and there is a possibility of the
:43:51. > :43:56.breakdown of law and order before too long. We have intervened in the
:43:56. > :44:00.way we did under the UN resolution to protect Libyan civilians while
:44:00. > :44:05.they freed themselves from the tyranny of Gaddafi. They have to
:44:05. > :44:09.work out how to take Libya forward, they have to work out what their
:44:09. > :44:13.future is. The announcement of elections within eight months is a
:44:13. > :44:19.good step forward but it is for the Libyan people to work out how to
:44:19. > :44:23.form the coalition of interests that will be necessary. He was a
:44:23. > :44:28.brutal dictator, but do you feel queasy about the way Colonel
:44:28. > :44:32.Gaddafi met his end? It is not the way we do things, not the way we
:44:32. > :44:39.would have liked it happen. We would have liked to see him go on
:44:39. > :44:43.trial ideally to answer for his misdeeds, not only in Libya but the
:44:43. > :44:46.many acts of terrorism he supported and perpetrated outside Libya of
:44:46. > :44:52.which we in Britain have a disproportionately large number of
:44:52. > :44:55.victims. Still not a great start to the fledgling democracy, and
:44:55. > :45:02.presumably you would like to see an investigation into what happened?
:45:02. > :45:05.Yes, and the fledgling Libyan government will understand its
:45:05. > :45:09.reputation in the international community is a little bit stained
:45:09. > :45:19.by what happened on Friday. I'm sure it will want to get to the
:45:19. > :45:23.
:45:23. > :45:27.bottom of it in a way that rebuilds There are lots of controversy is
:45:27. > :45:33.about the fact that he will not have an effective aircraft carrier
:45:33. > :45:39.for a long time in this island nation. The Conservatives promise
:45:39. > :45:44.three extra battalions in the army and so on. Is your attitude that
:45:44. > :45:49.that is a done deal, 80 is over, it is finished, or can any of these
:45:49. > :45:54.things be reopened by a brand new Defence Secretary? The review is
:45:54. > :46:03.completed and it sets out the broad architecture forward their forces
:46:03. > :46:07.of Britain, to make them adaptable for the future. Within those fixed
:46:07. > :46:12.points, there is still some flexibility about how we deliver
:46:12. > :46:17.the reconfiguration of Britain's forces. But remember what we
:46:17. > :46:20.inherited. We had a massive budget deficit to deal with, which meant
:46:20. > :46:26.that defence had to make its contribution to dealing with that
:46:26. > :46:31.problem. But we also had a legacy of a completely unrealistic
:46:31. > :46:35.equipment programme stretching forward 20 years, with all sorts of
:46:35. > :46:41.items of equipment we were going to buy but no idea how we were going
:46:41. > :46:45.to pay for them. Liam Fox took some tough decisions in order to ensure
:46:45. > :46:51.that later in this decade we will have a configuration of armed
:46:51. > :46:56.forces that is appropriate for our needs and is sustainable. Those
:46:56. > :47:03.people who are hoping that the army does not have to shrink below
:47:03. > :47:06.85,000, those people who think there should be some way of looking
:47:06. > :47:10.again at the decision on the aircraft carrier and getting
:47:10. > :47:17.aircraft to go on it, our day without hope, candy have renewed
:47:17. > :47:20.hope? Those people who have those ideas have to say how they would
:47:20. > :47:26.finance those aspirations. That means cutting something else
:47:26. > :47:31.somewhere else. We have a Ministry of Defence which has more Generals
:47:31. > :47:35.than effective tanks. Surely you have to look again at that?
:47:35. > :47:40.Absolutely, and part of the programme is about restructuring
:47:40. > :47:45.the MoD, to get the structure right for the future, to deliver the
:47:46. > :47:52.maximum punch for the front line. Tomorrow's vote in the House of
:47:52. > :47:55.Commons, a three-line whip, that is crazy, why pick a fight with
:47:55. > :48:00.Conservatives raw only trying to represent what Conservative voters
:48:00. > :48:04.and their own constituents want them to do? Because it is not
:48:04. > :48:12.government policy to have a referendum on Britain's membership
:48:12. > :48:16.of the European Union. That is not what we fought the last election on.
:48:16. > :48:22.Your Own Private Secretary is one of those people who may lose his
:48:22. > :48:28.job tomorrow over this. He may vote against the Government. You are
:48:28. > :48:32.going to lose some good people. a start, my private secretary is a
:48:32. > :48:38.woman, not a sea. By due are going to lose good people and it seems
:48:38. > :48:43.like a waste? The Government has set out clearly its position on
:48:43. > :48:48.Europe. William Hague has said that we need to be in Europe but not run
:48:48. > :48:52.by Europe. We have a clear preference to repatriate powers
:48:52. > :48:57.from Europe and plan to do so as and when the opportunity arises.
:48:57. > :49:02.But right now, the urgent issue is sorting out the crisis in the
:49:02. > :49:08.Eurozone because although we are not part of the Eurozone, 40 % of
:49:08. > :49:12.our trade is with the Eurozone. Investment, job prospects, economic
:49:12. > :49:17.growth in Britain are all threatened by the current crisis in
:49:17. > :49:23.the Eurozone. Just to be clear, whatever happens, the three-line
:49:23. > :49:27.whip remains? The three-line whip remains because the motion is
:49:27. > :49:31.contrary to government policy. Government has imposed a three-line
:49:31. > :49:37.whip to protect its policy when a motion is laid in the Commons that
:49:37. > :49:42.contradicts it. Why his government spending rising so fast? Why his
:49:42. > :49:46.government spending rising? Yes. The trajectory of government
:49:46. > :49:52.spending is falling. Government spending has gone up a lot in the
:49:52. > :49:59.past year, 9%? There are automatic stabilisers, as the economy has
:49:59. > :50:02.slowed, spending on welfare increases, tax receipts fall. These
:50:02. > :50:09.are what are called automatic stabilisers which helped to balance
:50:09. > :50:13.the economy. So it is the tanker turning round slowly? Yes. George
:50:13. > :50:18.Osborne has said that the plan for deficit reduction is flexible
:50:18. > :50:23.enough to allow the automatic stabilisers to work. Crisis
:50:23. > :50:27.meetings in Europe, it is all terribly confusing, but do you feel
:50:27. > :50:31.that we're in a position where the French and the Germans will come
:50:31. > :50:36.together and at last there will be a deal big enough to head off this
:50:36. > :50:39.crisis? That is the challenge that the Eurozone countries face and we
:50:39. > :50:45.hope that the French and the Germans will provide the leadership
:50:45. > :50:50.to bring the Eurozone together, to face up to the challenges that it
:50:50. > :50:56.faces, and if you like, the logic of the construct of the Eurozone,
:50:56. > :51:00.and to deal with it decisively, so that we in the UK as well as in the
:51:00. > :51:06.rest of Europe can move on and put in place what is necessary for
:51:06. > :51:11.growth. And if they cannot agree this next week? If they cannot
:51:11. > :51:15.agree this, the Eurozone moves closer to the edge. We're all
:51:15. > :51:19.acutely conscious that we are facing a major threat, not just
:51:19. > :51:24.towards the economic future of Europe, but the economic stability
:51:24. > :51:29.of the whole global system. It is crucial that the European step up
:51:29. > :51:33.to the plate and meet the challenges that they face. Which
:51:33. > :51:37.means the banks accepting that Greek beds have to be written off?
:51:37. > :51:47.Which probably means that banks have to accept a significant
:51:47. > :51:47.
:51:47. > :51:51.reduction in the value of their greed debts. There will have to be
:51:51. > :51:55.a larger bail-out fund for the future to keep the credibility of
:51:55. > :52:01.the euro as a currency going forward. Now over to Naga for the
:52:01. > :52:05.news headlines. Philip Hammond has confirmed that
:52:05. > :52:11.there will be a three-line whip on tomorrow's Commons vote on whether
:52:11. > :52:17.to allow a referendum on Britain's membership of the EU. The
:52:17. > :52:21.Government believes there should be no such referendum at this time.
:52:21. > :52:26.John Redwood explained why he was determined to defy this three-line
:52:26. > :52:31.whip. The public will want to feel that their view is being taken
:52:31. > :52:41.seriously, a lot of us are voting for the motion partly because that
:52:41. > :52:51.
:52:51. > :52:54.is what our electors want. It is what the pooed as there today.
:52:54. > :52:57.-- what they put us there to do. That's all from me for now. The
:52:57. > :53:01.next news on BBC One is at midday. Now back to Andrew.
:53:01. > :53:04.We are drawing towards the end of our allotted time, though we do
:53:04. > :53:07.have one more treat for you this morning. Let me just trail our show
:53:07. > :53:09.next Sunday. It's a special programme live from Australia where
:53:09. > :53:11.the heads of government from all Commonwealth nations are meeting.
:53:11. > :53:14.We'll be talking to several Commonwealth leaders, including the
:53:14. > :53:17.Australian Prime Minister, Julia Gillard, and our own PM, David
:53:17. > :53:21.Cameron. One crucial note. For one week only The Andrew Marr Show is
:53:21. > :53:24.being shifted to BBC Two, so do please tune in if you can. But next
:53:24. > :53:26.Sunday, October 30th, apparently due to the motor racing, you will
:53:26. > :53:29.find us on BBC Two. Finally this morning, a musical
:53:29. > :53:32.treat. Opera critics and fans spend hours debating who is the greatest
:53:32. > :53:36.soprano in the world today, but one woman who is a serious contender
:53:36. > :53:38.for that title is the Romanian star Angela Gheorghiu. Her new album is
:53:38. > :53:41.a homage to Maria Callas, her tempestuous and legendary role
:53:41. > :53:44.model. Famed for a fiery temperament also, Gheorghiu is a
:53:44. > :53:46.diva of huge vocal and dramatic range, in demand at all the great
:53:46. > :53:56.opera houses worldwide. Covent Garden is her favourite, where
:53:56. > :54:01.
:54:01. > :54:05.she'll be reprising her much-lauded role as Mimi in La Boheme next year.
:54:05. > :54:12.This was one of my favourite roles because I sang it everywhere, at
:54:13. > :54:18.the Metropolitan, in Vienna, everywhere. Then I met Roberto it
:54:18. > :54:22.in 1992. Speaking about Roberto, you has been banned another great
:54:22. > :54:30.tenor. Is it difficult to have another great singer as your
:54:30. > :54:35.partner? Very difficult, but very unusual at the same time. In opera,
:54:35. > :54:45.it will never happen that the soprano and tenor have a career at
:54:45. > :54:46.
:54:46. > :54:53.the same level. I did all the performances and recordings with
:54:53. > :55:01.Roberto. For me, it is very difficult because my emotions are
:55:01. > :55:07.on top. It must be difficult for you? Yes, and for him. I will put
:55:07. > :55:11.this very gently. It is sometimes said that you have the occasional
:55:11. > :55:17.disagreement with directors, that you have quite a fiery temperament,
:55:17. > :55:23.which brings us to Maria Callas. Do you think that if you're a famous
:55:23. > :55:29.artist, you have to have arguments? I am sorry to disappoint you, I
:55:29. > :55:35.have never had one word or two to raise my voice to somebody. This is
:55:35. > :55:41.going to destroy your reputation. will destroy my reputation knife.
:55:41. > :55:51.The worst thing I did, twice, just twice in my entire career, I just
:55:51. > :55:51.
:55:52. > :55:56.left. You just walked out. You are going to sing something for us at
:55:56. > :56:02.the end. There are others which are longer than Carmen, there are
:56:02. > :56:11.operas that are funnier than Carmen, but no operas sexier than Carmen.
:56:11. > :56:18.Yes. There are some, but I feel very sexy in my career. Also in
:56:18. > :56:26.Tosca. No offence for Carmen. In Carmen, we are naked, we have the
:56:26. > :56:34.possibility. To go like this. The character has more. You know what I
:56:34. > :56:41.mean? The sum you are singing is going to be called Habanera? Yes.
:56:41. > :56:51.The composer road two of them. This one, everybody knows. It is a folk
:56:51. > :56:58.
:56:58. > :57:05.L'amour est un oiseau rebelle. Que nul ne peut apprivoiser. Et
:57:05. > :57:13.c'est bien in vain qu'on l'appelle. S'il lui convient de refuser.
:57:13. > :57:23.Rien n'y fait, menace ou priere. L'un parle bien, l'autre se tait.
:57:23. > :57:24.
:57:24. > :57:34.Et c'est l'autre que je prefere. Il n'a rien dit mais il me plait.
:57:34. > :57:42.
:57:42. > :57:52.L'amour! L'amour! L'amour! L'amour! L'amour est enfant de Boheme. Il
:57:52. > :58:00.n'a jamais jamais connu de loi. Si tou ne m'aimes pas, je t'aime. Si
:58:00. > :58:05.je t'aime, prends garde a toi! Si tou ne m'aimes pas, si tou ne
:58:05. > :58:15.m'aimes pas, je t'aime. Mais si je t'aime, si je t'aime, prends garde
:58:15. > :58:31.
:58:31. > :58:41.L'amour est enfant de Boheme. Il n'a jamais jamais connu de loi. Si
:58:41. > :58:44.