:00:40. > :00:43.Good morning. Nice to be with you. Andrew is abroad putting a film
:00:43. > :00:45.together, and the Prime Minister's been abroad, trying to put the
:00:45. > :00:50.Eurozone together, so we'll definitely be discussing that over
:00:50. > :00:52.the next hour. Joining me today to review the Sunday newspapers - the
:00:52. > :00:56.Labour peer, broadcaster, and, more recently, novelist, Joan Bakewell,
:00:56. > :01:00.and the Conservative MP, Margot James. And in those newspapers,
:01:00. > :01:03.there's lots of Greece. At the G20 summit in France, Mr Cameron and
:01:03. > :01:06.company tried to work out how to stop the Greek crisis spreading,
:01:06. > :01:11.but in the end the question here comes down to whether British
:01:11. > :01:14.taxpayers should pay to bail out a currency we didn't join. The Chief
:01:14. > :01:17.Secretary to the Treasury, Danny Alexander, will be here to tell us.
:01:17. > :01:20.He's been able to trumpet slightly improved growth figures, but if
:01:20. > :01:25.Europe is on the cliff edge could it pull the British economy over
:01:26. > :01:29.the edge? What's the plan, Dan? And we have a full deck of Alexanders
:01:29. > :01:33.today. The turmoil in the Eurozone is something I'll also be asking
:01:33. > :01:36.the Shadow Foreign Secretary, Douglas Alexander about. Labour's
:01:36. > :01:40.been highly critical of that summit in Cannes, calling it the 'do
:01:40. > :01:43.nothing' summit. I'll also be talking to him about the Middle
:01:43. > :01:46.East. With tensions ratcheting up between Israel and Iran, what does
:01:46. > :01:50.he think Britain should be saying to the government of Benjamin
:01:51. > :01:56.Netanyahu? Mr Netanyahu's Deputy, Ehud Barak, has been in London
:01:56. > :01:59.arguing for greater sanctions against Iran. Mr Barak is also the
:01:59. > :02:05.country's Defence Minister and I've been asking him how Israel would go,
:02:05. > :02:09.militarily, in its bid to restrain its Iranian neighbour. And we have
:02:09. > :02:13.also got a man who is the biggest film star in the world by anyone's
:02:13. > :02:21.reckoning right now: Johnny Depp. He will be talking to me about rum,
:02:21. > :02:26.pirates, lowlifes, oh, and journalism too. I think the
:02:26. > :02:30.journalist can be the hero, it just depends on the road they take.
:02:30. > :02:33.often do you hear that these days? All that coming up after the news
:02:33. > :02:37.with Sally Nugent. Good morning. Avon and Somerset
:02:37. > :02:40.police say no more bodies have been found overnight at the scene of the
:02:40. > :02:42.M5 crash near Taunton. Seven people were confirmed dead yesterday and
:02:42. > :02:45.more than 50 are injured. Investigations are underway to find
:02:45. > :02:53.out what caused the multiple pile- up, one of Britain's worst motorway
:02:53. > :02:57.accidents. The police put up floodlight to allow them to
:02:57. > :03:01.continue their investigation into the night. They work to recover
:03:01. > :03:07.bodies trapped in the burnt-out vehicles bound to piece together
:03:07. > :03:11.what caused this horrific crash. Eyewitnesses described flames of up
:03:11. > :03:15.to 30 feet as fire swept through the many vehicles involved. Members
:03:15. > :03:21.of the public and the emergency services desperately tried to help
:03:21. > :03:29.as cars were engulfed by the intense heat. We clambered out the
:03:29. > :03:33.car, and the Lady was screaming "take my baby" So I carried the
:03:33. > :03:38.baby over the central reservation, where a bit of debris zoomed over
:03:38. > :03:43.my head. From the air, the full scale of the crash emerged.
:03:43. > :03:48.Vehicles had melted into the ground, wreckage was strewn across the
:03:48. > :03:54.carriageway. As the debris is now being removed, questions are being
:03:54. > :03:59.asked how this could have happened. The weather was very bad. The
:03:59. > :04:02.people who have driven down that road will know that it is often a
:04:02. > :04:08.difficult stretch of road but we have to let the police get on with
:04:08. > :04:13.their investigation. This morning, the M5 remains closed. The shock
:04:13. > :04:17.waves of what could be the worst accident of a generation are still
:04:17. > :04:22.reverberating. Avon and Somerset Police have set
:04:22. > :04:26.up a helpline for people concerned about relatives. The number is 0800
:04:26. > :04:29.092 0410. Anti-capitalist protesters, camped
:04:29. > :04:33.outside St Paul's cathedral, have received a boost from the Labour
:04:33. > :04:37.leader Ed Miliband. Writing in the Observer newspaper, he warned that
:04:37. > :04:40."only the most reckless" would ignore their message. He described
:04:40. > :04:43.the protest as a "wake up call" for politicians, and said it reflects
:04:43. > :04:48.frustration in mainstream British society about the way the country
:04:48. > :04:51.is being run. The Greek President will meet the
:04:51. > :04:55.country's main opposition leader today - to discuss efforts to form
:04:55. > :04:59.a national unity government. Yesterday the President held talks
:04:59. > :05:01.with the Prime Minister George Papandreou. Opposition parties are
:05:02. > :05:04.calling for early elections, but Mr Papandreou says that would de-rail
:05:04. > :05:08.efforts to solve Greece's financial crisis and stop it spreading across
:05:08. > :05:12.the Eurozone. The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge
:05:12. > :05:14.are to make Kensington Palace their permanent London home. In two
:05:14. > :05:17.years' time they'll move from temporary accommodation at the
:05:17. > :05:21.palace to a family-sized apartment which was used by the late Princess
:05:22. > :05:27.Margaret. Prince William grew up at Kensington Palace and his mother,
:05:27. > :05:32.Diana, Princess of Wales also lived there. That's all from me, I'll be
:05:32. > :05:40.back just before ten with the headlines. Jeremy.
:05:40. > :05:44.Thank you. On the front pages today, let's have a look at what we have
:05:44. > :05:51.got. The Sunday Times is continuing with the story about the border
:05:51. > :05:56.unit, being hit by a new bribes scandal, they say. A lot on the
:05:56. > :06:01.crash here on the M5, and questions about whether a nearby fireworks
:06:01. > :06:06.display at a rugby club put smoke across the road and caused it. Just
:06:06. > :06:10.another angle on the Eurozone crisis, this is the Silvio
:06:10. > :06:20.Berlusconi angle. And with me to review the papers are Joan Bakewell,
:06:20. > :06:21.
:06:21. > :06:28.and Margot James. Welcome to you both. What have you got? Margot,
:06:28. > :06:32.you are going to go on the Eurozone crisis. David Smith, Economics
:06:32. > :06:38.editor on the Sunday Times, has a good take on it. He is quite
:06:38. > :06:47.pessimistic, saying the crisis will run and run, and he covers it from
:06:47. > :06:51.China actually. He has been in China whilst the summit has been on,
:06:51. > :06:55.and he angles it about the Chinese writer growth and how we can't
:06:55. > :07:00.really expect them, when their workers are paid more or less the
:07:00. > :07:09.same on benefits, to come to the Eurozone's rescue, but he does say
:07:09. > :07:13.their economy is growing and old trade with China grew 15%, our
:07:13. > :07:19.exports to China, and we should be doing more of that. It would be
:07:19. > :07:24.good if the government had enough time to focus on exports and
:07:24. > :07:32.recovery opportunities. There is a limit to what we can do. Will the
:07:32. > :07:36.idea be that China comes in and bales us all out? This reporter
:07:36. > :07:42.doesn't think so. That was Nicolas Sarkozy's Dream, but they have not
:07:42. > :07:49.been very forthcoming. Also in the Sunday Times, leading on the
:07:49. > :07:54.business page, RBS splashes out 500 million on bonuses for bankers. Are
:07:54. > :07:59.they not listening? What does it take? They are now proposing a
:07:59. > :08:04.total package worth more than �1 million each in a new bonus screen
:08:04. > :08:09.for bankers. I think we get more calls to my Radio 2 show about
:08:09. > :08:14.bankers than any other subject. also read here that project Merlin,
:08:14. > :08:20.a feeble agreement with the bankers to limit extravagance, will not be
:08:20. > :08:26.operating next year. On the subject of that, you went down to a tent
:08:26. > :08:33.city, a full page of you down at St Paul's, could you tell us who was
:08:34. > :08:37.in the right or the wrong? We are not anywhere near that, we are
:08:37. > :08:42.facing a groundswell of feeling that the system is not working. How
:08:42. > :08:51.could we quarrel with that? It clearly isn't. Peter Hitchens in
:08:51. > :08:56.the Mail, my old sparring partner, has a go at the protesters - "What
:08:56. > :09:01.a festival of drivel" and he goes into rejoiced in his usual language
:09:01. > :09:10.that they don't have any idea. I spoke to a barrister, to graduates,
:09:10. > :09:15.to a group of Muslims who are talking about how Islam funds money.
:09:15. > :09:19.They have unfocused demands, they would like the system reconfigured,
:09:19. > :09:25.but who wouldn't? The shutting of the doors was the big moment, was
:09:25. > :09:30.that the same for you, that went St Paul's so the doors are shut - was
:09:30. > :09:36.that the big problem? We have a right to protest, which we should
:09:36. > :09:40.jealously guard, but I don't feel that right is necessarily the same
:09:40. > :09:45.as the right of occupying public land outside one of our greatest
:09:45. > :09:51.national treasures indefinitely. I personally don't think it does.
:09:51. > :09:59.That's not to say the people there don't have a point, a agree they do
:09:59. > :10:02.have a point, a point which is felt by many millions of people, but
:10:02. > :10:09.should they be permitted to stay there indefinitely? I personally
:10:09. > :10:14.don't think so. The Church Mr point here because they got their PR
:10:14. > :10:18.wrong and started slamming them and abusing them, and then realised
:10:18. > :10:24.that to shut the doors up of a Christian church in the face of the
:10:24. > :10:29.poor and people like this was a really bad move. We could talk
:10:29. > :10:35.about it for a long time. Let's have another story. This tragic car
:10:35. > :10:39.crash on the M5, absolutely shocking. We all use the motorways
:10:39. > :10:43.all the time, and one is a split- second away from disaster and
:10:44. > :10:47.tragedy. There are so many potential causes but we should
:10:47. > :10:53.probably wait until the investigation is complete. One
:10:53. > :10:58.thing that seems to jump out when one of these major tragedies occur
:10:58. > :11:03.is Fire and oil spills from these articulated lorries. Perhaps they
:11:03. > :11:08.should be better protection of their fuel tanks. Are you concerned
:11:08. > :11:14.it has taken the whole idea of 80 mph as the speed limit completely
:11:14. > :11:19.off the table? There was no doubt that if it had been 80 it would
:11:19. > :11:23.have been the worst accident. know that? We don't know how fast
:11:23. > :11:27.people were driving. I don't think people were driving that fast
:11:27. > :11:33.anyway, from the reports I have heard from the people interviewed
:11:33. > :11:39.who survived. There is a government plan to bring it up to 80. I'm not
:11:39. > :11:43.sure it was the speed causing the problem, I think it was the fog,
:11:43. > :11:47.but we don't know yet. Rather than jump to conclusions that people
:11:47. > :11:52.were driving too fast, we should wait until the inspection is
:11:52. > :11:57.delivered. I just wondered whether the government planned to put it up
:11:57. > :12:01.to 80 will fall by the wayside now. It has already been questioned. The
:12:01. > :12:10.road safety campaigners have questioned it, but if people were
:12:10. > :12:13.not driving fast, surely the speed limit is not really relevant.
:12:13. > :12:18.Labour peers are fighting in the House of Lords to try to inhibit
:12:18. > :12:23.the damage their health and social care bill will do to the NHS. He
:12:23. > :12:30.was a story in the Observer about plans already in place and taking
:12:30. > :12:36.operation to move the services for the NHS to private operators, a
:12:36. > :12:41.conglomerate including McKinsey, KPMG, and Price Waterhouse Coopers
:12:41. > :12:45.sealed a contract with 31 groups of GPs looking for advice on how to
:12:45. > :12:51.manage budgets on a system being introduced by the Andrew Lansley
:12:51. > :12:56.reforms. This is the slow intrusion of privatisation into the NHS.
:12:56. > :13:01.just thinking, we have the perfect foil to you here, because that is
:13:01. > :13:06.your background - private health. don't think this is anything new.
:13:06. > :13:10.Under the last government, there were private contractors coming in,
:13:10. > :13:15.Independent treatment centres, and they made a lot of improvement.
:13:15. > :13:19.am not saying that, but the idea that German companies, foreign
:13:19. > :13:27.international firms, they are lining up to take contracts to run
:13:27. > :13:35.the NHS and to compete. I have read the piece, I think it is not quite
:13:35. > :13:39.as extreme as you point out. I am talking to the GPs about having
:13:39. > :13:43.help with the commissioning process. There is a strict budget and it is
:13:43. > :13:49.less than what the primary care trusts spend and surely we should
:13:49. > :13:54.be advocating better value from the taxpayer. I can see this one could
:13:54. > :14:02.take-off as well! Let's go to the next story. This is something we
:14:02. > :14:06.will agree on. Peter Hitchens writing in the Mail, this is about
:14:06. > :14:14.the dreadful desecration of the war memorials by the ghastly metal
:14:14. > :14:17.thieves, going around destroying war memorials. It seems to be a big
:14:17. > :14:25.thing this year particularly, the price of metal has gone through the
:14:25. > :14:31.roof. That's right, and people are stealing from railway lines, nylons,
:14:31. > :14:35.it is endemic. But this is a new level, isn't it? It is, and the
:14:35. > :14:39.British Legion have a campaign starting this week to protect war
:14:39. > :14:44.memorials, which obviously we will be throwing our weight behind. We
:14:44. > :14:50.have got to stop the ease with which illegal metal is sold at
:14:50. > :14:55.scrapyards for cash. That is the key thing the government can do.
:14:55. > :14:59.totally agree with that. Just anecdotally, I have never worn a
:14:59. > :15:05.puppy before. Just over the years, tradition and resistance to doing
:15:05. > :15:09.the same as everyone else, but this year, because of this story, I have
:15:09. > :15:14.resolved to wear one because I am so outraged that those memorials,
:15:14. > :15:20.you know, lest we forget many of them say, and we appear to have
:15:20. > :15:28.forgotten. And the scrap price is virtually nothing. People can just
:15:28. > :15:32.get cash. They can come away with 40 quid, 100 quid, and no record of
:15:32. > :15:42.the transaction so you can't trace it. Anything else before we let you
:15:42. > :15:47.
:15:47. > :15:53.go? Do you want a bit of silliness? I have lost it now. It was a German
:15:53. > :15:58.diplomat who had had an affair with a Russian spy and he is not allowed
:15:58. > :16:08.to show his face but they do have him dressed as a banana. The idea
:16:08. > :16:08.
:16:08. > :16:13.that you can identify this man from his knees! I know this story, it is
:16:13. > :16:20.in the Mail. He has a cover over his eyes. Here it is, I have got it.
:16:20. > :16:26.We have got to show this picture. We can't name the Banana man who
:16:26. > :16:36.had an affair with the Russian spy. The idea that you put it there and
:16:36. > :16:47.
:16:47. > :16:57.nobody knows who it is. Your novel coming out, "she is leaving home".
:16:57. > :16:57.
:16:57. > :17:00.It stayed quite dry for Bonfire There was certainly some frost
:17:00. > :17:05.around this morning with temperatures in the countryside
:17:05. > :17:09.down as low as minus 5. Most have got some sunshine to look forward
:17:09. > :17:13.to for the rest of the day, thanks to this area of high pressure
:17:14. > :17:18.building across the country. We have seen low cloud filling in
:17:18. > :17:23.across the North Sea and that is coming in on a northerly breeze. It
:17:23. > :17:29.is not entirely clear cut which side of London will get the cloud
:17:29. > :17:36.or the sunshine, but we should see some sunshine spreading in through
:17:36. > :17:40.the day. Most will have some sunshine. As we go through this
:17:40. > :17:47.evening and overnight, thicker cloud will spread in, and it will
:17:47. > :17:51.seep in across southern and central England as well. A large swathe of
:17:51. > :17:56.the country will have Clear and starry skies with a widespread
:17:56. > :18:01.frost to come. It will be colder this coming night. The week ahead,
:18:01. > :18:05.that cloud I was talking about in the North Sea will become more
:18:05. > :18:13.extensive and that will have an impact on the temperatures. That
:18:13. > :18:17.cloud becomes more extensive across central and eastern England. Not
:18:17. > :18:22.Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland should have the best of the
:18:22. > :18:32.sunshine. A much more great day to come, but by Tuesday the cloud will
:18:32. > :18:35.have spread to Scotland and By any standards, Ehud Barak's had
:18:35. > :18:40.an astonishing career serving his country. Israel's Prime Minister
:18:40. > :18:45.during the Camp David negotiations with Yasser Arafat now serves as
:18:45. > :18:49.both Deputy Prime Minister and Defence Minister in the current.
:18:49. > :18:55.Before entering politics, he was one of the most decorated soldiers
:18:55. > :18:59.carrying out the military ops that are now the stuff of legend amongst
:18:59. > :19:03.many. A man of peace or war? When I met him, I asked why his
:19:03. > :19:07.Government's authorised the building of more settlements,
:19:07. > :19:14.despite international criticism? are building in Jerusalem. It's our
:19:14. > :19:18.capital. We are building in the Jewish neighbourhoods of Jerusalem.
:19:19. > :19:23.You have to build. We will not accept anyone having the right to
:19:23. > :19:30.intervene as this. That is seen as speaking up isn't it, as
:19:30. > :19:35.acceleration? No, it's about numbers and pace. Number per unit.
:19:35. > :19:39.When Olmert was Prime Minister, we were building at twice the rate we
:19:39. > :19:43.are building now. When I was Prime Minister ten years ago, we were
:19:43. > :19:47.building four times at the rate we are building now. But again, it's
:19:47. > :19:52.about the symbolism. Why not just stop for a while? The other side
:19:53. > :19:57.see this as getting in the way? Don't they? No, no, the other side
:19:57. > :20:03.plays with it as a kind of manipulation to put certain
:20:03. > :20:06.conditions into the dialogue. The reason that the Olmert and my
:20:06. > :20:12.government could do it was because somehow we managed to convince the
:20:12. > :20:20.rest of the world that we are genuine and now we are facing more
:20:20. > :20:29.sophisticated Palestinian groups which fills the Zeitgeist behind
:20:29. > :20:32.them. They try to play with these issues of settlements. It's really
:20:32. > :20:36.shouldn't matter. You said something very interesting there,
:20:36. > :20:39.you said you are dealing with a sophisticated Palestinian
:20:39. > :20:42.leadership now and they're very Zeitgeisty and I couldn't have put
:20:42. > :20:52.it better myself in these questions that they're getting world opinion
:20:52. > :20:57.behind them, aren't they? Yes, yes. We have to work to probably allow
:20:57. > :21:03.our spokesman to talk more open to others, but it wants all of the
:21:03. > :21:07.issues... Are you frustrated? little bit. Effectively we cannot
:21:07. > :21:11.convince our friend. To be clear, you accept that it strengthens
:21:12. > :21:19.Hamas if you go on building the settlements or not? I don't think
:21:19. > :21:25.it relates to Hamas. Hamas is basically challenging maz. They're
:21:25. > :21:29.turning to terror -- Abu Mazen. They're shooting at us rockets, you
:21:29. > :21:34.know, we get dozens in our southern part of the country. One man, a
:21:34. > :21:39.father of four, was killed. That's something that cannot go together
:21:39. > :21:42.with peace-making. Let me change the subject. We challenge for Abu
:21:42. > :21:46.has tonne take over the role of his own political system. I want to
:21:46. > :21:49.move on because we don't have much time. I want to talk to you about
:21:49. > :21:53.Iran as well. If we had the Israeli newspapers here and opened them up,
:21:53. > :22:01.we'd see that everyone in Israel is now thinking that you are getting
:22:01. > :22:05.ready to attack Iran. Is that what people are saying? Believe me, I
:22:05. > :22:10.don't try to underestimate the Iranian threat, it's a major threat
:22:10. > :22:14.probably of the region or the whole world. A nuclear Iran. They're
:22:14. > :22:20.determined to reach nuclear capability kablt. It can open a
:22:20. > :22:23.major arms swathe in the Middle East. It can change the
:22:23. > :22:29.effectiveness of their supporting and sponsoring of terror all around
:22:29. > :22:33.the region. Which is why the Israeli papers are saying, you are
:22:33. > :22:36.ready to strike? I have been saying it for years now and they'll
:22:36. > :22:41.intimidate neighbours in an effect f way, especially when the
:22:41. > :22:45.Americans and others move out of the region. I hope that the IAEA
:22:45. > :22:50.report next week will tell the whole world a little bit more
:22:50. > :22:54.explicitly what they are doing. This is the narrative that's coming
:22:54. > :22:58.together. It's the missile test, the long range bombing plan, the
:22:58. > :23:02.IAEA report which you mentioned, so they may say that Iran is getting
:23:02. > :23:07.close to a bomb. We strongly believe that sanctions are
:23:07. > :23:11.effective or could be effective if they are little and powerful enough.
:23:11. > :23:14.The diplomacy could work if enough unity could be synchronised between
:23:14. > :23:17.the major players, but that no option should be removed from the
:23:17. > :23:24.table. You have an amazing military record and for those who don't know
:23:24. > :23:29.it. Correct me if I am wrong, 1972 led the mission to free hostages on
:23:29. > :23:35.a Sabina flight, 1973, you dressed as a woman to assassinate members
:23:36. > :23:41.of the PLO. You are nodding there. It was a hobby, yes. A seen in the
:23:41. > :23:45.film Munich reflected that. An operation in 1976, you helped with
:23:45. > :23:49.Black September. I'm thinking you are not indo diplomacy here, I
:23:49. > :23:55.would like to attack Iran? No, I was also Foreign Affairs Minister
:23:55. > :24:03.of Israel and the Prime Minister in the last 15 years. I didn't shoot a
:24:03. > :24:12.single shot at anyone and I played the diplomatic saloons and TV
:24:12. > :24:16.interviews as well, you know. It's too serious. Israel is dead. A
:24:16. > :24:20.person cannot choose its parents and a person cannot choose its
:24:20. > :24:24.neighbours. We are living in a tough neighbourhood, no Mercy for
:24:24. > :24:29.the weak, no second opportunity for those who cannot defend themselves.
:24:29. > :24:33.We'd love to have the Canadians as our neighbours, but unfortunately
:24:33. > :24:38.the Americans. It's a tough neighbourhood. We have to be strong.
:24:38. > :24:40.If you suddenly attack Iran next week, I want to make sure we ask
:24:40. > :24:44.every question, do you have British support for flying over them and
:24:45. > :24:54.dropping a bomb on their nuclear reactors? I'm not going to even
:24:54. > :24:58.respond to this. May I say, don't worry about your next week
:24:58. > :25:03.programme but it's the Iranian challenge which is serious. This is
:25:03. > :25:08.something that should be prevented from happening. We have to stay
:25:08. > :25:11.there. We are strong. We are the strongest country for thousands of
:25:11. > :25:16.miles around Jerusalem. We intend to remain the strongest country
:25:16. > :25:21.around. But we are at the same time peaceful and ready to Makepeace at
:25:22. > :25:26.any moment with any one of our neighbours. Pretty cautious, Ehud
:25:26. > :25:35.Barak there, no options ruled out on Iran and listening to what Mr
:25:35. > :25:40.Barrack had to say was DAX, the former Foreign Secretary -- Danny
:25:40. > :25:44.Alexander. I hope that that does not come to pass because we all
:25:44. > :25:48.have a collective interest in Iran recognising its responsibilities
:25:48. > :25:51.under international law and desisting from developing a nuclear
:25:51. > :25:56.capability. But the threat is real and it's a very serious situation
:25:56. > :25:59.which is why I want to see renewed effort on the twin track approach
:25:59. > :26:03.that's being taken by the international community on one hand
:26:03. > :26:06.strengthening the sanctions regime. I would pay tribute to the work
:26:06. > :26:09.Cathy Ashton's done in the European Union on that issue. Engaging with
:26:09. > :26:14.Tehran to help them understand, on the other hand, that there's no
:26:14. > :26:19.future for Iran being an international pariah. Isn't it fair
:26:19. > :26:22.to say that that hasn't worked and in that time, the sanctions and the
:26:22. > :26:26.diplomacy, they've been getting closer to having a bomb and once
:26:26. > :26:30.they get one, you don't have that option any more? I recognise that
:26:30. > :26:34.represents a very serious threat to the region and indeed to the world.
:26:34. > :26:39.Let's have a broader context on this. There's been a big loser and
:26:39. > :26:43.a big winner the Arab world out of the Arab Spring that we have seen
:26:43. > :26:46.and I would argue that the two countries competing for leadership,
:26:46. > :26:50.ironically none are Arab, you have Turkey on one hand and Iran on the
:26:50. > :26:54.other. In that sense, Turkey has been prevailing and Iran has been
:26:54. > :26:57.losing the 1979 revolution is increasingly seen on the Arab
:26:58. > :27:02.street not has being the way forward but as a diversion and a
:27:02. > :27:04.side step from the huge changes that we are seeing now. So the
:27:04. > :27:08.Iranian regime is under pressure, that's why it's important that the
:27:08. > :27:14.world speaks with one voice and sends a clear signal. Why in that
:27:14. > :27:17.context would you like Israel to rule out bombing Iran. I think we
:27:17. > :27:23.are a long way from military action at this stage because I think it's
:27:23. > :27:27.important that we choose our words carefully and send a very clear
:27:27. > :27:31.unequivocal signal, not just to the Iranian government, but Ahmadinejad,
:27:31. > :27:36.the man who denied the existence of the Holocaust. A few days ago in
:27:36. > :27:42.New York he was peddling conspiracy theories about 9/11. We need to
:27:42. > :27:52.send a clear signal that we do not accept the legitimacy of Iran doing
:27:52. > :27:52.
:27:52. > :27:56.that. You criticised Mr Barak. final answer said you needn't worry
:27:56. > :28:01.in terms of the days to come. I want to make sure there is a clear
:28:01. > :28:06.diplomatic focus in the days, weeks and months ahead. OK, why are you
:28:06. > :28:10.calling the Cannes summit, the G0 summit the do-nothing summit when
:28:10. > :28:14.there's been so much going on? Because we gretibly it's the second
:28:14. > :28:17.international summit in as many weeks that's broken up without the
:28:17. > :28:20.action that the global economy needs -- regrettably. We are
:28:20. > :28:23.minutes from midnight in terms of the condition of the European,
:28:23. > :28:27.indeed the global economy and that's why there was a heavy
:28:27. > :28:31.responsibility on the leaders in Cannes, not simply to talk, but to
:28:31. > :28:35.act. Alas, we didn't see the action that I think would have helped
:28:35. > :28:39.protect British jobs, British exports and prosperity in the
:28:39. > :28:46.future. Looking at the news bulletins, seems like there was a
:28:46. > :28:52.lot going on, Cameron, Merkel, Sarkozy and Obama, the referendum
:28:52. > :28:55.was called off. Activity is not the same as action. Greece represents
:28:56. > :28:59.2% of European output. We have a huge vested interest as the UK, not
:28:59. > :29:03.simply in what happens in Greece and the eurozone, but what is going
:29:03. > :29:07.to happen in Italy and Spain potentially unless that action's
:29:07. > :29:10.taken. I don't think the staunchest defenders of the G0, and I support
:29:10. > :29:15.that process, would regard the Cannes summit as a success. It's is
:29:15. > :29:18.second failure in as many weeks. It's not cheap to be attacking the
:29:18. > :29:21.Prime Minister from this country when there's an international
:29:22. > :29:25.summit? I think the responsibility on the Prime Minister is to
:29:25. > :29:29.exercise influence for the United Kingdom. I think it's
:29:29. > :29:31.understandable when European leaders are perplexed when the
:29:31. > :29:34.Prime Minister as recently as March was telling Chancellor Merkel that
:29:35. > :29:38.he didn't want to be in the meetings about the eurozone because
:29:38. > :29:42.he didn't want Britain to contribute. Then two weeks ago, he
:29:42. > :29:44.was knocking on the door and insisting that Britain be present.
:29:44. > :29:50.It was George Osborne, the Chancellor of the Exchequer who in
:29:50. > :29:54.July said there was an inexorable logic towards a single fiscal area,
:29:54. > :29:57.as well as a Single Currency. The Government's been asleep at the
:29:57. > :30:03.switch since then when they should have recognised that if that was to
:30:03. > :30:07.be the outcome, that should represent a real threat. Tell us
:30:07. > :30:11.what you would have done, if Ed Miliband had been there? Difference
:30:11. > :30:16.both in approach and what we'd be advocating. Firstly, the approach.
:30:16. > :30:19.I travelled with Gordon Brown ahead of the G20 in 2008 to South America.
:30:19. > :30:22.He literally toured the world trying to build consensus for what
:30:22. > :30:26.then became the agreement that got us through that phase of the crisis
:30:26. > :30:30.and I think there are genuine differences in terms of the level
:30:30. > :30:32.of engagement in what we have seen from David Cameron and George
:30:32. > :30:35.Osborne in recent months. What should they have been saying? We
:30:35. > :30:37.need a balanced approach that recognises the importance of
:30:38. > :30:41.dealing with the deficit but also with growth. One of the reasons
:30:41. > :30:44.Greece is in the crisis afflicting it at the moment is the absence of
:30:44. > :30:48.growth. In that sense, I didn't hear the British Prime Minister
:30:48. > :30:52.talking about the centrality of growth to deficit reduction, as he
:30:52. > :30:55.hasn't done here in Britain, also internationally. That's very long-
:30:55. > :30:59.term thinking, isn't it? This is a crisis that's happening now, the
:30:59. > :31:03.fire is now. You may have a situation where Greece falls out of
:31:03. > :31:06.the eurozone? Well, for the first time, that was speculated upon at
:31:06. > :31:10.the summit. We've got a huge interest in making sure that the
:31:10. > :31:16.eurozone manages to find a way forward. I worry about the approach
:31:16. > :31:19.that's been taken on the Conservative benches. There is no
:31:19. > :31:22.strategy. We have a huge interest in the European Central Bank
:31:22. > :31:26.recognising its responsibility. think they've been asleep at the
:31:26. > :31:32.wheel? It's been disappointing. There hasn't been the political
:31:32. > :31:38.support for the ECB. Do you want to IMF to take over that? I don't see
:31:38. > :31:41.there being a contribution between the ECB and the IMF recognising its
:31:41. > :31:45.responsibilities. The way the Bank of England is for sterling and the
:31:45. > :31:49.way the Federal Reserve is for the US Dollar, so the ECB needs to
:31:49. > :31:52.deliver more fire power. David Cameron himself talked about a big
:31:52. > :31:56.bazooka from Europe but we haven't seen that action in recent weeks.
:31:56. > :32:00.That shouldn't be at the cost of the IMF being willing to act if
:32:00. > :32:04.necessary in the future. You don't mind in principle British money
:32:04. > :32:09.going into the IMF, then them putting that money the way of
:32:09. > :32:15.Greece or shoring up the pigs, as they are called? We've always
:32:15. > :32:19.supported the IMF as the UK. What is that money used for, we, as the
:32:19. > :32:23.Labour Party don't want the IMF's recapitalisation to become a
:32:23. > :32:26.pretext or excuse for the ECB not recognising its responsibilities.
:32:27. > :32:30.Both institutions have responsibilities, the IMF and ECB,
:32:30. > :32:35.and both may be required. strikes on the 30th November now,
:32:35. > :32:38.public sector pensions, the key theme. Teach efrs and Local
:32:39. > :32:41.Government and everything else. You think that the people drawing the
:32:41. > :32:46.public sector pension who is're angry about the changes deserve
:32:46. > :32:49.more than they are getting. Is that right? There needs to be further
:32:49. > :32:53.negotiations. None of us want to see a strike. There has been
:32:53. > :32:58.thrand's been Government compromise? Maybe something you can
:32:58. > :33:01.ask the Chief Secretary -- there's been Government compromise. We have
:33:01. > :33:05.seen, as a welcome step forward, there needs to be compromise by
:33:05. > :33:09.both sides. The public sector Trade Unions need to recognise that we
:33:09. > :33:12.need to work longer and contribute more in the future. There are
:33:12. > :33:18.specific details, on the other hand, to continue to be needed to be
:33:18. > :33:22.looked at. Look at the position of a part-time nurse earning �15,000
:33:22. > :33:26.or �16,000, the increase of contributions means she would lose
:33:26. > :33:30.�900 a year. The changes they've proposed, as we understand it, will
:33:30. > :33:35.impact on the poorest people in the public sector, many of them women,
:33:35. > :33:38.much more impactfully than on others. But you don't think the
:33:38. > :33:41.strike should go ahead? We want the negotiations to be taken forward.
:33:41. > :33:45.There needs to be further compromise on both sides and let's
:33:45. > :33:48.hope that if there is serious negotiations, we can avoid a strike.
:33:48. > :33:52.Your colleague John Hutton says it's hard to imagine a better deal?
:33:52. > :33:55.Let's see what the negotiations yield. One more for you, slightly
:33:55. > :34:00.personal. The whole business at St Paul's which we were talking about
:34:00. > :34:04.in the papers review with Joan and Margot. They shut the doors and
:34:04. > :34:14.your father was a pastor? Yes. Grandfather as well? Yes. Did you
:34:14. > :34:20.
:34:20. > :34:25.I think their job is to be a prophetic voice on issues of public
:34:25. > :34:35.morality. I think as Ed Miliband said in the paper today, what the
:34:35. > :34:42.press -- protesters are doing is talking about the rules by which
:34:42. > :34:46.society is run. Righteousness, and the relationship between the top of
:34:46. > :34:51.society and the rest of us is pretty broken at the moment and
:34:51. > :34:59.needs to be healed. So those protesters at the moment are in
:34:59. > :35:03.some way and iteration of your party at the moment? They have a
:35:03. > :35:09.range of demands but they are speaking of the general anger which
:35:09. > :35:14.I sensed in my own constituency and across the country, and it is a
:35:14. > :35:22.distraction to speak about the protesters. The issues they speak
:35:22. > :35:28.of our much profound and much more widely held. Thank you.
:35:28. > :35:32.When it comes to movie blockbusters, there are few actors with the box-
:35:32. > :35:37.office firepower of Johnny Depp. Who is the biggest movie star in
:35:37. > :35:42.the world right now? To that question there is an answer, Johnny
:35:42. > :35:52.Depp is the hottest property in Hollywood even if he does live in
:35:52. > :35:55.
:35:55. > :35:59.France. His new movie, the The Rum Diary, was found in a boxed in
:35:59. > :36:04.Hunter S Thompson's basement and he decided to make a movie of it. I
:36:04. > :36:10.asked him if his character in the movie is an attempt to portray the
:36:10. > :36:15.journalist as a hero. I think that journalists can be a hero, it just
:36:15. > :36:25.depends on the road they take. Hunter's Road was a long one and he
:36:25. > :36:26.
:36:26. > :36:30.became a voice for the people. He was a very moral guy. In this
:36:30. > :36:34.country, there is a crisis over journalism at the moment and
:36:34. > :36:39.journalists have never had a poor reputation. I guess you have heard
:36:39. > :36:45.about the phone hacking scandal, what are your thoughts on that?
:36:45. > :36:54.is as low as you could possibly get. To get into something as devious as
:36:54. > :37:02.that, as horrific as tapping into someone's phone, hacking into
:37:02. > :37:08.someone's personal life, private life and then selling it, it is as
:37:08. > :37:13.low as it gets. Watching you in the new film, I was thinking are you
:37:14. > :37:19.betraying the journalist as a hero because you think journalists are,
:37:19. > :37:24.or are you showing us what we should be? A journalist as observer
:37:24. > :37:28.and documenting the moment, and that is what Hunter S Thompson did,
:37:28. > :37:34.especially back then when he was very young and trying to find his
:37:34. > :37:40.voice, trying to find that out lead for the rage, where it was going to
:37:40. > :37:45.go. It came to about 1966 when the Hell's Angels came around, it
:37:45. > :37:49.started to take another shape, and therefore gonzo journalism, putting
:37:49. > :37:54.himself into the middle of the situation. It is interesting to
:37:54. > :38:00.hear stories about you staying with him. The book for this film you
:38:00. > :38:04.found in a box, didn't you? Yes, we were looking for the manuscript of
:38:04. > :38:10.Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas and I found another one. Opened a taut,
:38:10. > :38:20.and wrapped in a rubber band was The Rum Diary.
:38:20. > :38:20.
:38:20. > :38:27.I love this car. Did he give it to you? I wish. You want a little bet?
:38:28. > :38:33.A bet about what? That you scream before I do. In relation to what?
:38:34. > :38:39.How fast does it go? And so we began to read it. I don't think he
:38:39. > :38:44.had taken a look at it since he had dumped it in there in 1960. We
:38:44. > :38:51.started reading it, it was very good. It had a nice bite to it, and
:38:51. > :38:56.a good narrative. It was his only novel, so he decided we should make
:38:56. > :39:00.it into a film. I said maybe publish its first, and that is what
:39:00. > :39:10.he did, he published it for the following year. All these years
:39:10. > :39:21.
:39:21. > :39:26.Your career has got two tracks, in a way, because you have Pirates of
:39:26. > :39:31.the Caribbean and that franchise, and you are by all accounts the
:39:31. > :39:37.biggest star in the world. I don't mean to embarrass you, but 75
:39:37. > :39:43.million in the last year it is a lot. You use big box-office movies
:39:43. > :39:47.to fund films like this, more independent. Definitely, it is part
:39:47. > :39:51.of the balance you have to keep. The fact that Pirates of the
:39:51. > :39:59.Caribbean happened for me, and Alice in Wonderland, and things
:39:59. > :40:06.like that, it was much of a fluke or as surprising to me as anyone. I
:40:06. > :40:12.never expected any of that, so I always try to maintain some sort of
:40:12. > :40:19.balance within characters. You go outside a bit here, then you take a
:40:19. > :40:24.right turn over here. In terms of the audience, to keep them, well,
:40:24. > :40:28.to never bore them. Is that have the film industry works now, that
:40:28. > :40:33.instead of the big companies making a variety of films, they basically
:40:33. > :40:38.make the big box-office films and then it is down to people like you
:40:38. > :40:46.to give us the more interesting films? Studios are looking to spend
:40:46. > :40:52.money to make money. That is the crux of it, and it is a gamble
:40:52. > :41:02.every time out of the gate. You roll the dice, but when studios
:41:02. > :41:03.
:41:03. > :41:08.have had successful franchises such as Harry Potter or Pirates, they
:41:08. > :41:14.will be much more interested in doing that all over again, how to
:41:14. > :41:20.recreate that. But, I think for an actor, you want to be able to stay
:41:20. > :41:24.with the people. Just to ask you about Ricky Gervais, who I know you
:41:24. > :41:31.know, and he made a joke about you at the Golden globes. What was it,
:41:31. > :41:35.two dimensional? He was probably right by the way. The film was The
:41:35. > :41:44.Tourist, but you have now appeared in his new TV show, Life's Too
:41:44. > :41:50.Short, where you are basically given a dressing-down.
:41:50. > :41:58.Have you met before? This is Stephen. Nice to meet you.
:41:58. > :42:04.Ricky. I actually remember him from the Golden Globes. Did you think
:42:04. > :42:10.long about that? No, I knew it had to be done, immediately. Obviously
:42:10. > :42:15.he is very funny, and can be very self-deprecating. It was a great
:42:15. > :42:20.opportunity to sort of get in there and have a go at him, and just have
:42:20. > :42:24.a ball. And we laughed, you know, there was probably more footage
:42:24. > :42:29.they couldn't use than they probably did.
:42:29. > :42:35.Do you know who my new leading lady is in the new film? The Tim Burton
:42:35. > :42:42.film? Yes. Helena Bonham Carter? How did you know? Star Up In the
:42:42. > :42:46.dark. She thinks you are an idiot. In Vanity Fair, he was making the
:42:46. > :42:52.point that you have made a colossal amount of money, and why do you
:42:52. > :42:58.work so hard? You said it was the kids. Have you got to the point
:42:58. > :43:03.where they have enough? What is the reason? A enjoy the process. I
:43:03. > :43:10.don't necessarily enjoy the things that go along with it. There is a
:43:10. > :43:15.certain necessary evil with regard to the work, I mean terms that I
:43:15. > :43:21.don't quite understand or can't quite come relate to my name, terms
:43:21. > :43:25.like celebrity or fame I find very uncomfortable, but when I say it is
:43:25. > :43:32.for the kids, yes, you want to do something for them. Not necessarily
:43:32. > :43:37.the money for them, the work is for the kids. I want to, when I become
:43:37. > :43:44.smoke one day, I want to have done something that lake can be
:43:44. > :43:49.potentially proud of, or at least a body of work. Thank you for
:43:49. > :43:52.speaking to us this morning. Thank you, I appreciated.
:43:52. > :43:59.David Cameron has been warning in stark terms that the British
:43:59. > :44:04.economy is getting worse every day the eurozone crisis drags on, but
:44:04. > :44:08.what impact is the international chaos having at home? There are
:44:08. > :44:13.concerns that growth has stalled, and I am joined by Danny Alexander,
:44:13. > :44:18.chief secretary to the Treasury. You must be a worried man?
:44:18. > :44:23.course the situation in the eurozone is very serious. 3 million
:44:23. > :44:28.jobs in the UK depend on our trade with the European Union, and those
:44:28. > :44:32.people and businesses are affected by the uncertainty. Equally, having
:44:32. > :44:38.a resolution to the crisis is in a sense the most important thing that
:44:38. > :44:43.can happen for the UK economy this autumn. Positive steps were made at
:44:43. > :44:51.the G20 summit. So it was not the do-nothing summit? That is totally
:44:51. > :44:57.wrong. There are a lot of positive things. Activity or action?
:44:57. > :45:02.found a commitment to increasing the IMF's Resources in order to
:45:02. > :45:07.ensure there is a global firepower, if you like, to deal with the
:45:07. > :45:12.crisis at a global level. The week before you saw a commitment to a
:45:12. > :45:18.much greater euro-zone fund of one trillion euros. The details have to
:45:18. > :45:24.be fleshed out a. You spend your whole day with numbers because we
:45:24. > :45:30.run out of money, as someone famously said, so the IMF gets 10
:45:30. > :45:35.billion a year from us, it went up to 20 billion as a result of the
:45:35. > :45:40.vote in June, and now it is going up further by how much? We have two
:45:40. > :45:47.sort of money we give to the IMF, the 20 billion ceiling for each.
:45:47. > :45:51.There is a maximum of 40 billion we can make available. Currently only
:45:51. > :45:58.about 5 billion of that is in use so we have the capacity to go up to
:45:59. > :46:02.that ceiling. Without a vote in Parliament? Yes, Parliament has
:46:02. > :46:10.already voted for the additional 20 billion of new arrangements to
:46:10. > :46:15.borrow. For so we are currently putting 5 billion or 20 billion?
:46:16. > :46:19.The 5 billion is a combination of those two things. We can go up to a
:46:19. > :46:25.ceiling of 20 billion and it works as a contingent liability, in other
:46:25. > :46:29.words we are not handing over cash, it is a promise to pay to back up
:46:29. > :46:37.the IMF's lending if things go wrong. No government has ever lost
:46:37. > :46:40.money in terms of the resources made available to the IMF. We
:46:40. > :46:48.should be supporting it, that is why it was wrong to vote against
:46:48. > :46:52.making additional resources We didn't go into the euro and this
:46:52. > :46:57.is a problem for countries in the euro. Once you extend credit to the
:46:57. > :47:01.IMF, it goes to Greece? No country in the global economy can be an
:47:01. > :47:05.island. We are in a hugely interdependent world. We have to
:47:05. > :47:10.play a role as a global leader as one of the largest economies in the
:47:10. > :47:14.world. We set up the IMF precisely to ensure that there was a
:47:14. > :47:18.mechanism for supporting... But to be clear, you are happy with this
:47:18. > :47:23.money we give to the IMF going to Greece? You are happy with that?
:47:23. > :47:26.am. There's already been agreed. The plan for Greece involves
:47:26. > :47:30.commitments from the IMF, separate commitments from the eurozone, the
:47:30. > :47:34.two organisations are working together. There are uncertainties
:47:34. > :47:38.about Greece which have to be resolved. Let me ask you, on that
:47:39. > :47:43.score, are you in the Treasury planning for Greece's exit from the
:47:43. > :47:48.euro? We have contingency plans for all sorts of eventualities. Are you
:47:48. > :47:51.planning for that? That seems like the less likely outcome of the
:47:51. > :47:54.Greece situation. We have seen huge political uncertainty, the
:47:54. > :47:58.referendum plan has been dropped, the Prime Minister's had his vote
:47:58. > :48:02.of confidence and we need to see the Greek government exercise its
:48:02. > :48:06.responsibilities to deliver the plan that they've set out and upon
:48:06. > :48:10.which we, through the IMF and eurozone has promised to make
:48:10. > :48:15.resources available. You say it's the least likely option, a lot of
:48:15. > :48:18.people think it will have to go back to the drachma. I'm not going
:48:18. > :48:21.to get into eventualities and hypotheticals that we have plans
:48:21. > :48:27.for. The most important thing we can do as a responsible global lead
:48:27. > :48:31.ser to work alongside the Americans, Chinese and others to put maximum
:48:31. > :48:37.pressure on the eurozone to make Greece take responsibility for
:48:37. > :48:43.their problems and ensure we take our responsibilities to sit
:48:43. > :48:48.alongside the bazooka. It's a very expensive BA zoo and and it was
:48:48. > :48:52.said, why join the euro when it's breaking up -- bazooka. It was a
:48:52. > :48:55.misunderstanding of what he was saying, he was using a phrase used
:48:55. > :49:00.for him by a backbencher. That's the least likely option. We in the
:49:00. > :49:02.UK need to look at the eurozone and see the very, very strong political
:49:02. > :49:04.commitment there is from those countries to keep the European
:49:04. > :49:08.Single Currency together. The developments that they are making
:49:08. > :49:12.in terms of having closer integration on the fiscal side. One
:49:12. > :49:17.thing that we have to do is make sure that the role that we have,
:49:17. > :49:22.the role that the other countries outside the euro have is protected
:49:22. > :49:26.within that European decision- making so we continue to shape the
:49:26. > :49:29.growth agenda, which is in our demand in terms of deregulating at
:49:29. > :49:32.European level. That's a British agenda for leading Europe. People
:49:32. > :49:36.watching will be thinking, why would anyone in this country have
:49:36. > :49:41.ever suggested we go into the euro. So maybe you can tell us why you
:49:41. > :49:44.did? I argued, along with others on a cross party basis in the Britain
:49:44. > :49:49.and Europe campaign that we should join the euro in the economic
:49:49. > :49:52.conditions were right. What I would say is that the extra flexibilities
:49:52. > :49:56.we have being outside the Single Currency are something that's been
:49:56. > :50:01.a strength to us. You weren't wanting us to be in it, you were
:50:01. > :50:04.speak fog the organisation called Britain Ahead in Europe. You argued
:50:04. > :50:08.for it? I very much believe that Britain's vocation is, as a
:50:08. > :50:12.European country, that our trade, that our business needs depend on
:50:12. > :50:14.the links to Europe. In relation to the euro though, I argued that
:50:14. > :50:18.Britain should join only if the economic conditions were right,
:50:18. > :50:23.they were found not to be, at least in part because of the way the euro
:50:23. > :50:28.developed in its early days. As a result, we have greater flexibility,
:50:28. > :50:35.not least the devaluation the found has seen, to help us through the
:50:35. > :50:41.crisis. The effects on us, some say it could set us back six years,
:50:41. > :50:51.could half the value of shares, a real horror show? I don't endorse
:50:51. > :51:02.
:51:02. > :51:06.those figures. Many British businesses are seeking to trade and
:51:06. > :51:09.export to the eurozone. Positively, resolving the crisis would be the
:51:09. > :51:13.biggest boost we could see to the British economy at a time we we
:51:13. > :51:16.face ourselves a long, slow road to recover rifplt I think if anything
:51:16. > :51:22.this crisis in the eurozone could remind people of the fact that what
:51:22. > :51:25.Britain did when the coalition Government came into power, the
:51:25. > :51:29.Liberal Democrats helped negotiate that agreement. We set out a plan
:51:29. > :51:33.from the beginning to take control of our own circumstances, we need
:51:33. > :51:37.other countries to do the same. are making an announcement about
:51:37. > :51:40.house building and infrastructure. Tell us what that is? I'll announce
:51:40. > :51:44.the half billion pound growing places fund, setting out the
:51:44. > :51:47.details of how much each area will get. It's to help people who are
:51:47. > :51:50.perhaps wanting to build houses in a local area but need a link road
:51:50. > :51:56.built or the land needs to be decontaminated or flood defences
:51:56. > :51:59.need be put in place. We are making available half a billion to pay for
:51:59. > :52:03.that upfront so the developer can invest billions more in building
:52:03. > :52:06.houses, in employing people and getting Britain building again and
:52:06. > :52:11.then when the development is built out and sold, they can repay the
:52:11. > :52:16.money and it can be used again. Isn't that rather small beer when
:52:16. > :52:20.you consider what's needed in this country right now and your critics
:52:20. > :52:23.will say too little too late? are many other things we are doing.
:52:23. > :52:27.The regional growth found is supporting businesses up and down
:52:27. > :52:31.the country. The steps on taxation on deregulation are supporting
:52:31. > :52:38.businesses too. We have a specific problem in communities which is
:52:38. > :52:42.there are plans for building houses, they have the things in place, but
:52:42. > :52:46.we can unlock development and unlock tens of thousands of jobs by
:52:46. > :52:52.helping them. I mentioned to Danny Alexander about the strikes and the
:52:52. > :52:54.unions are hopping mad -- Douglas Alexander. The Independent carries
:52:54. > :52:57.a story saying you would like to go ahead, the Prime Minister would
:52:57. > :53:00.like them to go ahead because it will destroy their case. Where are
:53:00. > :53:04.you in that argument? I don't want the strikes to go ahd. The
:53:04. > :53:08.Government's been negotiating hard for the last eight months with the
:53:08. > :53:12.Trade Unions. -- ahead. We made a significant offer to public sector
:53:12. > :53:15.workers earlier this week. I set it out to the House of Commons in
:53:16. > :53:19.terms of the more generous payments we were willing to offer.
:53:19. > :53:22.backed down some people said? this is the discussion and I set
:53:22. > :53:25.aside what funds I think are appropriate to make sure we both
:53:25. > :53:28.protect the taxpayer and also get the quality of public sector
:53:28. > :53:31.pensions that people want to see. Look, I think in a sense the most
:53:31. > :53:35.important people here are not the Trade Union leaders, they're the
:53:35. > :53:40.individual nurses, teachers, civil servants. This week and over the
:53:40. > :53:43.next few weeks, we'll communicate directly to 2.5 million public
:53:43. > :53:47.servants to explain to them directly what it is the
:53:47. > :53:50.Government's offering. I think in a sense, in those people's hands is
:53:50. > :53:54.the decision whether or not to strike, in those people's hands is
:53:54. > :53:57.tin influence on the unions and I think when people go to the
:53:57. > :53:59.Treasury website, see what is set out, they'll see this is a generous,
:53:59. > :54:04.positive offer that will protect the value of public service
:54:04. > :54:09.pensions for 25 years to come. It's a prize worth having. Sour going
:54:09. > :54:13.over the heeds with the unions? Most moderate unions want agreement
:54:13. > :54:17.but some seem desperate and hell bent, if you like, on strike action.
:54:17. > :54:24.What we need to make sure is the interests of public servants aren't
:54:24. > :54:28.set aside in the interests of Trade Union leaders who want to go on
:54:28. > :54:33.strike. Danny Alexander, thank you for now. No more bodies have been
:54:33. > :54:37.found overnight at the scene of the M5 crash near Taunton. Seven people
:54:37. > :54:41.were confirmed dead yesterday and more than 50 injured.
:54:41. > :54:44.Investigations are under way to find out what caused the multiple
:54:44. > :54:47.pipup, one of Britain's worst. The Greek president will meet the
:54:47. > :54:51.country's main opposition leader today to discuss efforts to form a
:54:52. > :54:55.new coalition government. Yesterday, he held talks with the Prime
:54:55. > :54:58.Minister, George Papandreou, opposition parties are calling for
:54:58. > :55:02.early elections, something Mr Papandreou says would derail
:55:02. > :55:05.efforts to solve Greece's financial crisis and stop it spreading across
:55:05. > :55:09.the eurozone. That is it from me. The next news
:55:09. > :55:12.is at midday on BBC One. Back to Jeremy in a moment, but first a
:55:12. > :55:17.look at what is coming up after the programme:
:55:17. > :55:22.Today on Sunday morning live. Is Britain full up or do we still have
:55:22. > :55:28.room for more immigrants? As the Church of England forgotten its
:55:28. > :55:31.Christian roots in favour of power and snun Islamic extremists want to
:55:31. > :55:36.disrupt Armistice Day when we remember our dead. Is that what
:55:36. > :55:40.these soldiers fought for? See you at Ten.
:55:40. > :55:45.Danny Alexander is still here and Joan Bakewell rejoins us. Let's
:55:45. > :55:48.talk about St Paul's and the morality issue around that?
:55:48. > :55:53.very interested in what seems to be a revival of morality in public
:55:53. > :55:58.life and the feeling that many people have, inclouding the church,
:55:58. > :56:02.the Archbishop of Canterbury, that public life isn't governed by the
:56:03. > :56:06.moral issues in the way that it perhaps once was and that things
:56:06. > :56:10.like the discrepancy between the highly paid and the lowliest is out
:56:10. > :56:14.of hand. What do you think about that? Well, there's clearly a very
:56:14. > :56:18.strong sense of that. Politicians who talk about morality sometimes
:56:18. > :56:21.get into trouble but I think it's very important that there is a
:56:21. > :56:25.strong sense that we are going the right things here and that we do
:56:25. > :56:28.get away from our economic culture that's been based on excess, which
:56:28. > :56:31.it Abu Hamza has been for the last 20 or 30iers. I think the peeve
:56:31. > :56:37.Government had an opportunity to sort that out, it didn't take it,
:56:37. > :56:42.we are taking steps such as new taxes on the bankers, such as the
:56:42. > :56:47.regular... In effect, it's been proved in the headlines? No, that's
:56:47. > :56:51.not the case, we are raising an extra �10 billion over the next
:56:51. > :56:55.four years... But the overall impact of your policys is to damage
:56:55. > :57:01.the lowliest in society, lowliest being a religious word, you know,
:57:01. > :57:04.but the widows, orphans, the single mothers, the people who have their
:57:04. > :57:09.care cut? I don't accept that characterisation of what we are
:57:09. > :57:13.doing. What I would say is that in a sense if what you want to see is
:57:13. > :57:19.the country doing to t right thing and sorting out our finances too...
:57:19. > :57:23.I want to get back to St Paul's, we could do the whole of economic
:57:23. > :57:30.policy but we need to talk about St Paul's. You see the tents and you
:57:30. > :57:33.are a Lib Dem. Doesn't mean I live in a tent. Well I wondered if you
:57:33. > :57:37.might say in your wisdom in spirit that you feel the same unease about
:57:37. > :57:40.what they are protesting about? think there are some issues they're
:57:40. > :57:50.drawing attention to which are important, as Douglas Alexander
:57:50. > :57:50.
:57:50. > :57:54.said, there are a whole range of demands. Do you feel it's about
:57:54. > :57:58.capitalism? Capitalism's built up our economies around the world over
:57:58. > :58:01.many decades so I don't feel unease about capitalism. What I do feel
:58:01. > :58:04.unease about and things as a Government we have been acting on
:58:04. > :58:07.is the lack of regulation and control over the City of London,
:58:07. > :58:11.the lack of inability to ensure that we, as taxpayers, don't have
:58:11. > :58:15.to bail out the bankers every time they get things wrong. Those are
:58:15. > :58:18.the things we are trying to change. Let's have more control and restore
:58:18. > :58:22.legislation. This's exactly what this Government is doing. Thank you
:58:22. > :58:25.very much. That is it for today. Andrew is back next Sunday at 9
:58:25. > :58:30.with a special edition of the programme for Remembrance Day. And,
:58:30. > :58:33.by the way, this coming week leading up to Remembrance Day on my
:58:33. > :58:38.Radio Two programme, we are featuring the stories of mother
:58:38. > :58:42.hos've lost their sons in armed combat and who remember them
:58:42. > :58:47.through the music they loved. Guests will include the Chief of