:00:40. > :00:43.Good morning. Well, the week which saw a radical shift in Britain's
:00:43. > :00:45.relationship with the rest of Europe and without doubt the most
:00:45. > :00:48.memorable complaint by a French official about this country's
:00:48. > :00:52.behaviour. David Cameron, it was said, was like a man going to a
:00:52. > :00:55.wife-swapping party without bringing his wife - very French.
:00:55. > :00:59.And Mr Cameron's rather stiff response that he didn't go to wife-
:00:59. > :01:05.swapping parties was very British. But, of course, as we shall discuss
:01:05. > :01:07.in the hour ahead, it's all a bit more serious than that. And joining
:01:07. > :01:10.me today for our review of the Sunday newspapers are columnist,
:01:10. > :01:14.Sir Simon Jenkins, the actress, Jenny Agutter, and the leader of
:01:14. > :01:16.the UK Independence Party, Nigel Farage. The papers they'll be
:01:16. > :01:26.reviewing are deeply divided in their reactions to Britain's veto
:01:26. > :01:26.
:01:26. > :01:32.and the new European group it provoked. Europe leaves Britain. A
:01:32. > :01:35.delighted mood in the Mail on Sunday - Cameron got it right.
:01:35. > :01:38.While the Express says End of the EU is Unstoppable and that the
:01:38. > :01:44.Prime Minister faces demands to seize back control of Britain's
:01:45. > :01:47.destiny. But other papers instead talk of isolation and a divide
:01:47. > :01:52.inside the Cabinet between the Tory Eurosceptics and their Lib Dem
:01:52. > :01:55.partners. The man we've been waiting to hear from is the Deputy
:01:55. > :02:00.Prime Minister and Liberal Democrat leader, Nick Clegg, and he's with
:02:00. > :02:03.us this morning. A passionate pro- European - how does he feel about
:02:03. > :02:09.what happened in the early hours of Friday morning? Is this a radical
:02:09. > :02:12.break? What needs to happen next? Labour were quick to brand the
:02:12. > :02:15.outcome of the summit a disaster. But what would they really have
:02:15. > :02:20.done differently? We'll hear from the Shadow Foreign Secretary,
:02:20. > :02:23.Douglas Alexander. Also this morning: At another summit in South
:02:23. > :02:26.Africa, there seems to be agreement this morning on a global approach
:02:26. > :02:28.to climate change. The evidence for that phenomenon was the theme of
:02:29. > :02:32.Sir David Attenborough's final Frozen Planet programme earlier in
:02:32. > :02:34.the week. I'll be discussing the evidence with him and talking about
:02:34. > :02:44.the series, which has been yet another landmark in an already
:02:44. > :02:45.
:02:45. > :02:47.incredibly distinguished career. Finally: Holding back the years -
:02:47. > :02:51.two decades after all those Simply Red hits, Mick Hucknall returns
:02:51. > :02:55.with something to get you in the seasonal mood. All that's coming up.
:02:55. > :02:59.But, first, the news with Louise Minchin.
:02:59. > :03:01.Good morning. The Prime Minister is preparing to make a statement to
:03:02. > :03:04.Parliament tomorrow about the outcome of the Brussels summit. But
:03:04. > :03:07.a number of senior Liberal Democrats have expressed dismay at
:03:07. > :03:15.David Cameron's handling of the negotiations. And it's now emerged
:03:15. > :03:19.that the divisions go right to the top of the Coalition.
:03:19. > :03:25.When Nick Clegg gave his initial reaction to David Cameron's refusal
:03:25. > :03:28.to sign up for Europe's new grand plan, he was supported. The Prime
:03:28. > :03:33.Minister and I have worked together on the request for the safeguards
:03:33. > :03:39.which we were seeking. We were not seeking some great repatriation of
:03:39. > :03:44.powers from Europe back to Britain. We were not seeking some great
:03:44. > :03:47.exceptional treatment for the City of London. Now his tone has changed.
:03:47. > :03:51.Sources close to the Deputy Prime Minister have confirmed reports
:03:51. > :03:56.that he doesn't think this is a good deal for Britain. Mr Clegg
:03:56. > :03:59.apparently couldn't believe it, they said, when he was told the
:03:59. > :04:04.summit had spectacularly unravelled. Europe was already a source of
:04:04. > :04:09.tension in the coalition. I want to make sure we have more power and
:04:09. > :04:12.control here in the UK. With the two parties holding such
:04:12. > :04:16.contrasting views, this will now add to that. The Prime Minister is
:04:16. > :04:20.due to explain tomorrow in Parliament what happened in
:04:20. > :04:24.Brussels. He can expect praise from Eurosceptics on his own side but
:04:24. > :04:30.sitting next to him will be a Deputy who has attacked him in the
:04:30. > :04:33.media because he thinks he's left the UK isolated and vulnerable.
:04:33. > :04:36.The UN Conference on Climate Change in South Africa has drawn to a
:04:36. > :04:38.close with a last-minute compromise among the world's most polluting
:04:38. > :04:41.countries. Delegates agreed to work towards a new deal that would
:04:41. > :04:50.commit all countries to legally- binding limits on carbon emissions
:04:50. > :04:56.by 2020. 36 hours after they were supposed
:04:56. > :05:01.to have finished with delegates tired and frustrated, the major
:05:01. > :05:11.polluters, the United States, India and China, agreed to a deal of
:05:11. > :05:13.
:05:13. > :05:19.sorts. The aim was to find a global accord. The problem was the US,
:05:19. > :05:22.India and China hadn't signed up to Kyoto and poor countries couldn't
:05:22. > :05:26.afford climate-friendly policies. As this Durban conference dragged
:05:26. > :05:32.on, it seemed a struggle to find common ground. The Chinese accused
:05:32. > :05:38.the West of trying to lecture them. TRANSLATION: We are doing whatever
:05:38. > :05:44.we should do. We are doing things you are not doing. What qualifies
:05:44. > :05:51.you to say things like this? Nations directly at risk if sea-
:05:51. > :05:57.levels rise urged agreement. While they develop, we die in the process.
:05:57. > :06:02.Why should we accept this? Finally, all accepted a timetable to create
:06:02. > :06:07.a global plan to be enforced from 2020 and a �60 billion fund to help
:06:07. > :06:10.smaller countries afford the changes. But as tired delegates
:06:10. > :06:15.applauded environmental groups were already saying the Durban deal is
:06:15. > :06:17.too little and they just hope it isn't too late.
:06:18. > :06:22.A new online comparison guide to care homes and domestic care
:06:22. > :06:26.services in England is to be set up by the Government. The website will
:06:26. > :06:28.rate services after official inspections. It will also publish
:06:29. > :06:34.comments from residents and their families in an attempt to expose
:06:34. > :06:37.abuse and raise standards. The city watchdog will be highly
:06:37. > :06:40.critical of its own role in the collapse of the Royal Bank of
:06:40. > :06:43.Scotland three years ago in a report to be published tomorrow.
:06:43. > :06:46.The Financial Services Authority will say its supervision of the
:06:46. > :06:51.bank was "deficient" in many aspects and its staff lacked the
:06:51. > :06:56.necessary skills. RBS received a bailout of �45 billion from
:06:56. > :06:59.taxpayers. The organisers of the Queen's
:06:59. > :07:04.Diamond Jubilee River Pageant have revealed the design of the Royal
:07:04. > :07:07.Barge that will head the flotilla. The 64-metre cruiser is being
:07:07. > :07:11.crafted from an existing Thames sailing barge. It will be decorated
:07:11. > :07:15.in red and gold and covered with flowers from the Queen's Gardens.
:07:15. > :07:23.That's all from me for now. I'll be back just before 10.00am with the
:07:23. > :07:30.headlines. Andrew. Front-pages today. It is all one
:07:30. > :07:39.story - angry Clegg turns fire on Cameron over Europe veto. Sunday
:07:39. > :07:49.Times - Cabinet rifts open up over Cameron's veto.
:07:49. > :07:55.Sunday Telegraph - Europe veto: Tensions rise in Cabinet.
:07:55. > :08:02.The other papers are all different. "It's all Kelly's fault" says the
:08:02. > :08:09.Sunday Mirror. I would have shown you the Independent on Sunday but
:08:10. > :08:14.it's been stolen by Nigel Farage of UKIP. He is among my guests as is
:08:14. > :08:18.Jenny Agutter and Simon Jenkins. We will start with the obvious story,
:08:18. > :08:23.are we? Nigel? It's what happened. It is this dramatic summit. The
:08:23. > :08:27.reason I took this paper from you was, yes, it is Clegg rages at
:08:27. > :08:33.Cameron's spectacular failure. So the Lib Dems are in a tight spot.
:08:33. > :08:37.What people might not have noticed is that on page three, the latest
:08:37. > :08:42.opinion poll puts UKIP above the Lib Dems in a national opinion poll.
:08:42. > :08:47.So a big moment for you? It is. Without any shadow of a doubt.
:08:47. > :08:51.However, do we come out of this summit and don't forget the Prime
:08:51. > :08:56.Minister did what he did to protect the City of London. Has the City
:08:56. > :09:01.been protected? Simon, what do you think about where the City stands
:09:01. > :09:06.after all of this? Because we have got through the prologue to a very,
:09:06. > :09:11.very long play, it is almost impossible to predict. Cameron had
:09:11. > :09:15.to do what he did. The Labour Party would have done the same in office.
:09:15. > :09:19.Yes. We are at the beginning of this process. What I find
:09:19. > :09:23.fascinating is how each paper's presentation reflects its major
:09:23. > :09:29.view on Europe. You have the Express, the Mail crowing,
:09:29. > :09:32.delighted. You have the Independent and the Observer gloomy and
:09:32. > :09:40.miserable. I wonder at the wonderful diversity of the British
:09:40. > :09:48.press. Trying to weigh up both sides. And a return to older
:09:48. > :09:52.fashion, divisions in politics. It is very good for newspapers?
:09:52. > :09:57.one Government. What is coming next? I particularly picked up on
:09:57. > :10:00.this article in the Sunday Telegraph. Europe's 26 plotting
:10:00. > :10:04.their revenge. The big problem we have got now is we are still
:10:04. > :10:08.members of the EU. We are subject to all of their laws. We are more
:10:08. > :10:13.unpopular than we have ever been. We are in a permanent voting
:10:13. > :10:19.minority. That very industry that Cameron sought to protect is
:10:19. > :10:24.seriously under threat. There will be retribution. You have quotes
:10:24. > :10:28.from various French officials and every time the bond markets twitch
:10:28. > :10:37.in this long-running euro saga, I can see the finger of blame being
:10:37. > :10:40.pointed at those awful Anglo-Saxons in the City of London. We will see
:10:40. > :10:44.legislation on our foreign exchange business. I suspect within the next
:10:44. > :10:48.few months, we will be asking yourself a bigger question - not
:10:48. > :10:55.should we have gone along with this rescue plan, but should we be
:10:55. > :10:59.members of this Union at all? see where Nigel is coming from. We
:10:59. > :11:02.haven't a clue. We don't know. They have not sorted out the Greek
:11:02. > :11:06.default yet. What happened last week was a slightly engineered
:11:06. > :11:10.ejection of Britain from a group. They must have known what we would
:11:10. > :11:14.do. It was all predictable. The question is what happens next. What
:11:14. > :11:18.happens next - the ball is in their court. They have to do something
:11:19. > :11:23.about the euro. I think out of the euro crisis comes the future of
:11:23. > :11:28.Britain. Our future depends on what they do with that packet of
:11:28. > :11:33.problems. Jenny Agutter, you have chosen a domestic angle on this,
:11:33. > :11:37.Clegg and Cameron, I think? I saw something in the Times which I
:11:37. > :11:43.don't have in front of me. It was an article really weighing up the
:11:43. > :11:47.two sides and quotes from the Europe and all the rest of it.
:11:48. > :11:51.say this, they say that, we don't know what is going to happen next?
:11:51. > :11:56.Everybody seems to be surprised. This programme will be totally
:11:56. > :12:01.different next week. It is different every week, Simon!
:12:01. > :12:10.Everybody's eyes are on us now. Let's move to some other stories.
:12:10. > :12:17.Jenny Agutter, you have a cystic fibrosis story? I do, indeed. Hopes
:12:17. > :12:23.for cystic fibrosis drug kept alive by emergency cash. They talk about
:12:23. > :12:33.a young woman - it's the Independent. I'm a Trustee of the
:12:33. > :12:40.
:12:40. > :12:44.Sis tick Fibrosis Trust. -- Cystic Fibrosis Trust. The age has gone
:12:44. > :12:48.from eight to 30. Now we are seeing cuts which will make the care more
:12:48. > :12:53.difficult. It is a very good article with her about it. They are
:12:53. > :12:59.looking at a young woman called Kirsty who was in a programme last
:12:59. > :13:04.week called Life On The Transplant. It was very moving. Returning to
:13:05. > :13:08.politics, I suppose if the EU story is about what is democracy and what
:13:08. > :13:11.is not democracy, the same thing applies to the Russian story, which
:13:11. > :13:17.would be huge on a different Sunday? It is very interesting to
:13:17. > :13:22.see how the story moves on. You have in Russia what you think you
:13:22. > :13:26.had in Tunisia, Egypt and Libya. There is a very good piece about
:13:26. > :13:30.trying to give an account of what happened. What the people in Moscow
:13:30. > :13:35.feel. You get no sense of what Russia feels. Capital cities are
:13:35. > :13:40.not countries. I imagine this will pass. I can't believe Putin can't
:13:40. > :13:44.handle it. But because you have the resonances with the Arab Spring, is
:13:44. > :13:49.there going to be a Moscow winter? The press doesn't help you very
:13:49. > :13:55.much. It tells you there is a riot in the capital. There is a very
:13:55. > :13:58.atmospheric report in the Independent. An extraordinary
:13:58. > :14:03.picture, as you said. It does describe what it is like being
:14:03. > :14:08.there. What the people are doing. They say there's 30,000, but it is
:14:08. > :14:12.more like 100,000. Provided you have a bit of flame or blood, it
:14:12. > :14:16.gets into the newspapers. That's right. If you are going to have
:14:16. > :14:19.flares and stuff, having snow and fog around them does make a lovely
:14:19. > :14:24.picture. We mentioned the problems ahead for the City. There is
:14:24. > :14:29.another story about past problems in the City, Nigel? Yes. It's the
:14:29. > :14:36.pantomime season. The villain is back. Fred Goodwin, who, despite
:14:36. > :14:42.the disaster at RBS, appears to be getting a pension of �340,000
:14:43. > :14:48.pounds a year. We are not talking all ability Fred Goodwins. --
:14:48. > :14:53.�340,000 a year. What's happening here is the blame game is now
:14:53. > :14:57.beginning for what happened to RBS. This story of how this relatively
:14:57. > :15:00.small Conservative Scottish bank in the space of a few years got itself
:15:00. > :15:04.into such a mess that it was in danger of bringing down much of the
:15:04. > :15:08.British economy with it. What will happen tomorrow is the FSA will
:15:08. > :15:12.release their side of the story. They will blame the Bank of England
:15:12. > :15:17.and in time the Bank of England will blame the FSA and I suggest
:15:17. > :15:23.that Gordon Brown goes on a very long holiday because what he did as
:15:23. > :15:28.Chancellor in '97, he set up this new agreement for the control of
:15:28. > :15:38.Britain's banking industry. The upshot is that nobody knew who was
:15:38. > :15:43.
:15:43. > :15:49.in charge and nobody took any Where did it the money go? �14
:15:49. > :15:54.million -- �40 billion worth - these huge sums some around in
:15:54. > :15:59.Europe, the idea that you can stop them with regulation is absurd.
:15:59. > :16:02.That's true, the Dutch have been laughing all over their faces.
:16:02. > :16:07.Before 1997, when the Bank of England had control over this, the
:16:08. > :16:15.alarm bells would have wrong earlier. Let's turn to a
:16:15. > :16:19.complicated story, the climate change conference in Durban. A lot
:16:19. > :16:28.of decisions will be put off, but that is better than no decision at
:16:28. > :16:34.all. Simon? You must remember in a newspaper, hell is a story that
:16:34. > :16:39.breaks at 4 o'clock in the morning. It happened in Durban last night.
:16:39. > :16:45.Durban talks in danger of collapse, by the time you read the story you
:16:45. > :16:48.know they have not collapsed. It is a modified success, one of those
:16:48. > :16:55.conferences where everybody agrees to do something knowing they won't
:16:55. > :17:03.do it, but it is called a success. The Durban talks ended in an
:17:03. > :17:07.agreement to continue the Kyoto protocol agreement. It is
:17:07. > :17:11.slithering off the agenda now. There is this amusing story about
:17:11. > :17:17.the turbines that caught fire. There are wind is too strong. You
:17:17. > :17:23.then have to pay the owner of the turbines a lot of money for not
:17:23. > :17:26.having bought the electricity. lot of enthusiast for wind turbines,
:17:26. > :17:32.I did do so. They are expensive ways of giving which people more
:17:32. > :17:39.money. We only have 3000 of them so far and think of the upset it has
:17:39. > :17:45.caused. Chris Huhne's plan is to build 42,000 of them over the next
:17:45. > :17:49.30 years. I'm sure that is not practically possible. The western
:17:49. > :17:56.half of the British Isles will be coated in these machines, if this
:17:56. > :18:04.plan goes ahead, and it will be entirely at public expense. And for
:18:04. > :18:09.no C02 reduction. We have the whole of the desert covered anyway.
:18:09. > :18:15.talking about Morris dancers now. Yes, a wonderful article in the
:18:15. > :18:19.Mail. It is about flash more dancing because the Morris dancers
:18:19. > :18:28.will not have a place in the Olympics festivities and
:18:28. > :18:31.celebrations, so they are going to arrive and break out of the crowds.
:18:31. > :18:37.This will actually really show people how extraordinarily crazy
:18:37. > :18:47.the British people are. discovered this week what Morris
:18:47. > :18:50.
:18:50. > :18:57.means, in Morris dancing. Moreish - Islamic dancing that came via Spain.
:18:57. > :19:01.That very good. It is Islamic in origin. It looks like it is from
:19:01. > :19:07.Turkey. But not have it in the Olympics is outrageous. You are
:19:07. > :19:11.supposed to be allowed to have won support from your national culture.
:19:11. > :19:18.It is the celebrations they want to be a part of, they want to show our
:19:18. > :19:28.culture. We have 40 million, spend them on Morris dancers! The Speaker
:19:28. > :19:28.
:19:28. > :19:34.of the House of Commons? Nigel? wife Sally, I confess I do like her
:19:34. > :19:40.very much, but here she is launching a tirade on Twitter
:19:40. > :19:45.against Kirsty Allsop calling her middle class. I think it is time
:19:45. > :19:50.she piped down on these things. Police elections. This is a
:19:50. > :20:00.wonderful story. We always turn to you when we want to know about Katy
:20:00. > :20:06.Pryce! My starter for 10. Elected mayors everywhere, like in America
:20:06. > :20:14.where they mean something, but because we can't have elected
:20:14. > :20:20.mayors we have elected police commissioners. The story is that we
:20:20. > :20:25.have Katie Price and Nick Ross all electing to stand as police
:20:25. > :20:31.commissioners. It will put border back on the front foot. If I was in
:20:31. > :20:37.Hampshire, I would vote for Jordan right away. To the real economy?
:20:37. > :20:41.Stuffed in here, an article on Blumenthal and how his Christmas
:20:41. > :20:46.puddings are on the black market. People are going into shops and
:20:46. > :20:49.buying hundreds of Christmas puddings. They are making excuses,
:20:49. > :20:55.saying they are for weddings, then selling them for large amounts of
:20:55. > :21:01.money. This is reflected in the crime we are suffering at the
:21:01. > :21:04.moment. You can't stop touting. may have damaged the viewer ship of
:21:04. > :21:13.the last 10 minutes of this programme because they will be
:21:13. > :21:18.rushing off to buy some! Christmas puddings, wind farms... They don't
:21:18. > :21:25.appear in your history book, do they? They will in time. We have to
:21:25. > :21:34.talk about the weather now. Winter moved into Scotland this week, and
:21:34. > :21:38.even in the south there was frost Today I can use the phrase breezy
:21:38. > :21:43.rather than stormy. We still of rain to talk about, you can see
:21:43. > :21:49.where most of that is across England and Wales, turning heavy
:21:49. > :21:53.into the early part of the afternoon. To the north of that is
:21:53. > :21:59.where we get the best of the sunshine, particularly in eastern
:21:59. > :22:04.Scotland. Southern Scotland looking good, and some of that sunshine
:22:04. > :22:08.filtering into northern parts of England before the day is done.
:22:08. > :22:12.This rain struggling to get down into the south-east before it gets
:22:12. > :22:17.dark, but some particularly wet weather of down through Somerset
:22:17. > :22:23.and Dorset. Once that has cleared from Devon and Cornwall, further
:22:23. > :22:28.showers following in on the wind, and showers heading towards Wales
:22:28. > :22:32.so never reliably dry it across Wales through today. One of the
:22:32. > :22:37.drier spots will be in Northern Ireland, still feeling a bit on the
:22:37. > :22:43.chilly side. Monday, an oasis of relative calm in what will be a
:22:43. > :22:47.lively week. We have more stormy weather on the way, Tuesday and
:22:47. > :22:49.Friday at the date to put in your diary. It will be a busy week in
:22:49. > :22:57.diary. It will be a busy week in the weather Centre.
:22:57. > :23:05.Labour lost no time in branding the outcome of the EU summit a disaster,
:23:05. > :23:09.for the UK which has been left week. Does this mean Labour would have
:23:09. > :23:15.supported the imposition of cuts demanded by bankers across Europe
:23:15. > :23:19.without voters being given the chance of protesting? I am joined
:23:19. > :23:24.by the shadow foreign secretary, Douglas Alexander. Let's talk about
:23:24. > :23:27.the summit, it has been branded a disaster by Labour politicians, but
:23:27. > :23:32.wouldn't a Labour prime minister, given what David Cameron was
:23:32. > :23:37.confronted by, have had to do pretty much the same? Firstly the
:23:37. > :23:41.outcome of the summit itself, it is economically inadequate and
:23:41. > :23:45.politically disastrous. There was a deal to be done, and I believe a
:23:45. > :23:49.Labour prime minister would have secured that. We would have had a
:23:50. > :23:52.different approach and achieved a different outcome. There was a case
:23:52. > :23:58.for saying how do we give protection to the single European
:23:58. > :24:02.Act, given that we will see 17 countries in a tighter fiscal union
:24:02. > :24:09.but there are ways that could have been achieved. Instead, David
:24:10. > :24:14.Cameron suggested parts of the Act be revoked without consultation
:24:14. > :24:19.with any of his natural allies before the summit. Now the days
:24:19. > :24:23.have passed, it has emerged it wasn't about the protection of the
:24:23. > :24:27.single market or financial services, it was about the politics of the
:24:27. > :24:31.Conservative Party. Michael Heseltine said he didn't have the
:24:31. > :24:35.votes to deliver a deal and that is a tragedy for Britain. Let me come
:24:35. > :24:40.to what Labour might have done because there are certainly threat
:24:40. > :24:45.being made to the city of London, which affect the prosperity of this
:24:45. > :24:50.country, and given that the French and the Germans had at some level
:24:50. > :24:55.lost patience with Britain as a non- euro member telling them what
:24:55. > :24:59.to do, it was always going to be likely that they were going to
:24:59. > :25:05.threaten the city in some way. I put it to you again, a Labour prime
:25:05. > :25:08.minister, given those kind of threat, Tony Blair, Gordon Brown in
:25:08. > :25:13.their days would probably have had to veto if not had a serious
:25:14. > :25:19.confrontation. But there were alternatives. David Cameron walked
:25:19. > :25:23.away without a single additional safeguard for the single European
:25:23. > :25:27.market or the city of London. Ask Nick Clegg, are there any legal
:25:27. > :25:32.protections in place today that weren't in place last week? We
:25:32. > :25:36.could have asked for a seat at the table. Although we don't have a
:25:36. > :25:40.vote, we should have had a voice, because otherwise we would see the
:25:40. > :25:46.other countries sitting down every month, talking about issues
:25:46. > :25:51.relating to the eurozone that will have a profound impact on the UK.
:25:51. > :25:56.What sort of issues? In terms of what will be talked about? The
:25:56. > :26:00.fiscal union we are now moving towards within the eurozone will
:26:00. > :26:04.have a significant impact. My concern is that there is
:26:04. > :26:08.essentially an austerity pact that could work for Germany but I
:26:08. > :26:12.struggled to see how it will work for other countries around Europe.
:26:12. > :26:17.This is where we get to the wider politics because what is happening
:26:17. > :26:22.inside the eurozone, which Labour seems to be supportive of by and
:26:22. > :26:28.large, is the position of austerity measures on populations in the
:26:28. > :26:32.south for instance, in Portugal, Greece and so on, bankers terms
:26:32. > :26:39.imposed from outside by the Germans and others and with no recourse
:26:39. > :26:47.under this new agreement to the electorate. Why would a left-wing
:26:47. > :26:50.liberal leaning party, at any stage, support this? His visit everything
:26:50. > :26:56.you are opposed to? Those terms will not be imposed on Britain,
:26:56. > :27:01.they will be imposed on the members of the eurozone. Do we agree with
:27:01. > :27:08.the terms? No, what would be better it is that you need to address
:27:08. > :27:11.liquidity, putting firepower behind the bank. One of the reason the
:27:11. > :27:15.markets did not respond well on Thursday it is because we have not
:27:16. > :27:20.got the political consent... Can I break in there because this is the
:27:20. > :27:25.problem. This is what the French and Germans had decided not to do.
:27:25. > :27:29.This is the plan they confronted Britain with. David Cameron,
:27:29. > :27:33.confronted with that plan, had to walk away and he's popular in the
:27:33. > :27:37.country for doing that. That's not why he walked away and he has lost
:27:37. > :27:42.his ability to influence those events within the eurozone because
:27:42. > :27:46.he will no longer have a seat at the table. That is why we were
:27:46. > :27:50.urging that the Prime Minister should be saying, and the impact
:27:50. > :27:55.will be felt across Britain, so let's make sure we have a seat at
:27:55. > :27:59.the table. He didn't ask for it because he didn't want the deal. He
:27:59. > :28:05.was more keen to exploit the situation because if the politics
:28:05. > :28:10.of his party. He simply couldn't get a deal through the House of
:28:10. > :28:16.Commons. None the less, he's very popular with the Tory party. That's
:28:16. > :28:21.because he's following them, not leading them. Heat is the hero of
:28:21. > :28:26.the hour, and the whole momentum of politics at the moment is taking us
:28:26. > :28:32.towards a referendum, a bigger choice about being inside the EU or
:28:32. > :28:37.not, and that may come quite soon. David Cameron has not sated the
:28:37. > :28:40.appetite of his backbenchers, he will simply have encouraged them. I
:28:40. > :28:43.don't believe right now the priority for Britain, when they are
:28:43. > :28:49.struggling to see growth in an economy that is flat mining, would
:28:49. > :28:53.be to spend the next few months negotiating a referendum, but there
:28:53. > :28:58.are many backbenchers who do because this is the defining issue
:28:58. > :29:04.for Conservative politics. Let me ask you about other things - the
:29:04. > :29:09.riots and protest in Moscow. Do you think we are seeing the beginning
:29:09. > :29:13.of something seismic happening in the former Soviet Union? What we
:29:13. > :29:18.saw yesterday in Moscow was extraordinary. Protests, riots, the
:29:18. > :29:23.like of which we have not seen since the 1990s in Russia and the
:29:23. > :29:28.sense of invincibility Vladimir Putin has had is now being called
:29:28. > :29:34.into question. I would stand with Hillary Clinton on her remarks that
:29:34. > :29:38.there well founded concerns that today Russia looks like a police
:29:38. > :29:43.state. You are back from Syria, you have just been to the Middle East.
:29:43. > :29:49.Again, we seem to be on the edge off a potential full-scale
:29:49. > :29:55.revolution now in Syria, horrendous bloodshed. We have been clear in
:29:55. > :29:58.the Labour Party that we stand with the government on this one. We
:29:58. > :30:02.think President Bashar al-Assad has run out of legitimacy. It's
:30:02. > :30:10.important the Arab League continues to play our part in putting
:30:10. > :30:13.pressure on his regime. His time is The word "masterpiece" is an
:30:13. > :30:15.overused one, but it's the term that reviewers have been applying
:30:15. > :30:18.to the television series, Frozen Planet. Narrated by Sir David
:30:18. > :30:28.Attenborough, it charts life and death, change and convulsion at
:30:28. > :30:34.
:30:34. > :30:38.both ends of the globe. But this series has also generated a renewed
:30:38. > :30:45.debate on global warming. Before I speak to Sir David about all that,
:30:45. > :30:52.here's a glimpse of Frozen Planet. Having led her cubs to the edge of
:30:52. > :31:02.the ice, the mother's next challenge is to catch a seal. Not
:31:02. > :31:04.
:31:04. > :31:12.easy with these two in tow. Her prey, beneath the ice, can detect
:31:12. > :31:20.the slightest vibration, especially from bears, and this is not the
:31:21. > :31:30.stealthiest of hunting parties. thought one of the great things
:31:31. > :31:39.
:31:39. > :31:46.about this is the balance between anthromorphic - they are sweet?
:31:46. > :31:51.is a very alien world. I don't yearn to be out there with those
:31:51. > :31:56.animals - I do in the tropics, that's fine. It is a very, very
:31:56. > :32:03.hard world out there. It is science-fiction for real. This is
:32:03. > :32:09.an alien world, though close to us? Yes. Of o course, the South Pole is
:32:09. > :32:14.-- of course, the South Pole is as alien as you can get. 100 years ago
:32:14. > :32:19.it was as far as you could possibly go. Polar bears are one of your
:32:19. > :32:23.favourite creatures, but you have been talking about - there is a
:32:23. > :32:29.caterpillar things that seems to have become your personal
:32:29. > :32:36.favourite? It is a miracle. A thing that size that is frozen solid, no
:32:36. > :32:46.liquid in it at all, frozen solid, 14 times... We have seen bears
:32:46. > :32:48.
:32:48. > :32:55.fighting there. There he is. That's the one. 14 times it gets frozen?
:32:55. > :33:01.Yes. What about the darker side of the creatures that you have been
:33:01. > :33:05.filming? The killer whales I suppose are the cruellest or the
:33:05. > :33:14.toughest? They seem to enjoy playing with dinner as well as
:33:14. > :33:20.hunting dinner? Yes. It is fairly mysterious, really. They seem to
:33:20. > :33:30.enjoy hunting. They will pursue something for days and get it and
:33:30. > :33:37.
:33:37. > :33:43.not bother to eat it. To - the story that killer whales would see
:33:43. > :33:48.a stranded seaman on an iceberg and knock him off - nobody has proved
:33:48. > :33:54.it, until this team. I wasn't there. But they did. They proved that
:33:54. > :33:58.happening. Let's talk a bit about the team themselves. Lots of people
:33:58. > :34:03.think, "I want to be David Attenborough when I grow up." They
:34:03. > :34:09.ought to be thinking, "I want to be the cameraman out there." They came
:34:09. > :34:15.very close to these whales? They are unbelievable cameramen. The
:34:15. > :34:19.very notion of swimming underneath the sea ice gives me the frights. I
:34:19. > :34:24.mean, appallingly difficult. To find your way back to the one hole
:34:24. > :34:31.where you left, apart from the other problems. This show is a
:34:31. > :34:36.cameraman's show, certainly not a narrator's show. They invested a
:34:36. > :34:41.lot of money, the BBC invested a lot of money and time in doing it?
:34:41. > :34:47.There are scenes that you could only get by repeatedly going there
:34:47. > :34:52.and spending a very long time. Let me turn to the controversy
:34:52. > :34:58.about the global warming point made. Not a phrase you use, I notice, in
:34:58. > :35:03.the script that you deliver for the final film. You show some pretty
:35:03. > :35:09.vivid scenes of pack ice breaking up and there are plenty of people
:35:09. > :35:14.out there who say this is untrue, this is BBC propaganda, it's not
:35:14. > :35:19.really happening? I'm surprised - I think they are mostly saying it is
:35:19. > :35:22.not man's fault. There are very few people who say it is not happening.
:35:22. > :35:26.If you ask people who are living up there whether it is happening or
:35:26. > :35:29.not, they don't have any doubt. There isn't any question but that
:35:29. > :35:36.the Poles are warming. The North Pole is warming. The South Pole is
:35:36. > :35:40.a different thing. The South Pole is a huge icecap, miles thick, and
:35:40. > :35:45.it creates its own weather. But the North Pole, I mean it really is
:35:45. > :35:48.quite possible that within the next 20 or 30 years the North Pole in
:35:48. > :35:52.winter will remain open and so you will be able to sail from the
:35:52. > :35:57.Atlantic to the Pacific. What does that mean for the polar bears?
:35:57. > :36:01.means extinction - yes, it means extinction for the polar bears,
:36:01. > :36:07.really. You might say what does it mean for world trade? What does it
:36:07. > :36:12.mean for killer whales? They will be able to go from one... Good news
:36:12. > :36:17.for them. At the end, you posed the question, you point out that
:36:17. > :36:22.through the history of the planet, animals have evolved to deal with
:36:22. > :36:29.different conditions. And you ask whether mankind can adapt to what's
:36:29. > :36:35.happening to the planet. You leave that open? Yes. The last programme
:36:35. > :36:40.was very, very careful statement of what we see and what the evidence
:36:40. > :36:44.is and the conclusions are political to some degree. Can I ask
:36:44. > :36:48.what you think should be done? what we should be doing is to try
:36:48. > :36:54.and reduce the rate at which the planet warms. We aren't going to be
:36:54. > :36:59.able to stop it, that's for sure. All we can do is to slow it down.
:36:59. > :37:07.And that's what has been going on in South Africa. Do you think we
:37:08. > :37:14.should be looking at all the options? Every single option, yes.
:37:14. > :37:20.The geo-engineering... That means you allow one small group to
:37:20. > :37:25.determine what is going to happen to the whole globe. That - they may
:37:25. > :37:30.say yes, we are confident about the science. But what about those
:37:30. > :37:37.people who don't know about that, having it imposed upon them? Anti-
:37:37. > :37:41.democratic? And what about the size of the Earth's population? You are
:37:41. > :37:44.involved in an organisation which... That is one of the basic problems.
:37:44. > :37:49.That is one of the reasons we are increasing so fast is that there
:37:49. > :37:53.are so many of us. There are three times many more people on Earth
:37:53. > :37:57.than when I started making television programmes. You met the
:37:57. > :38:01.Queen during the week, I think? did. The Royal Family are
:38:01. > :38:06.interested in these issues? Yes. You have been much-lauded for this
:38:06. > :38:16.series and rightly so. I suppose the obvious and unfair question is
:38:16. > :38:18.
:38:18. > :38:22.top that, is this the the apex of the career? I don't think I shall
:38:22. > :38:30.start on another five-year project, put it that way. I don't see any
:38:30. > :38:39.reason - I'm not stopping. I have plans for going on next year.
:38:39. > :38:46.Everybody will be delighted to hear it. Thank you very much. Frozen
:38:46. > :38:49.Planet is out on DVD. And let's just end with this little bonus,
:38:49. > :38:53.which you may have enjoyed when it ran after the last Frozen Planet
:38:53. > :38:58.programme. # I see skies of blue
:38:58. > :39:04.# Clouds of white # Bright blessed days
:39:04. > :39:13.# Dark sacred nights # And I think to myself
:39:13. > :39:21.# What a wonderful world. # The natural world in all its
:39:21. > :39:24.variety. And of course its cruelty and harshest too. I'm joined by the
:39:24. > :39:29.Deputy Prime Minister, Nick Clegg. Good morning. Can you explain why
:39:29. > :39:35.if at all the City is really safer today than it would have been a
:39:35. > :39:38.week ago? Well, I ambiterly disappointed by the outcome of last
:39:38. > :39:43.week's summit. Precisely because there is a danger that over time
:39:43. > :39:46.the United Kingdom will be isolated and marginalised within the
:39:46. > :39:51.European Union. I don't think that is good for jobs in the City or
:39:51. > :39:54.elsewhere. I don't think it is good for growth. I don't think it is
:39:54. > :39:58.good for families up-and-down the country. That is why I will do
:39:58. > :40:01.everything I can to make sure this set-back does not become a
:40:01. > :40:05.permanent divide, that we get back into the saddle and we work and
:40:05. > :40:10.exercise leadership on things like the single market, the environment,
:40:10. > :40:16.foreign policy, defence policy, all the things that we need to do so
:40:16. > :40:20.that Britain leads and we don't end up retreating to the margins.
:40:20. > :40:25.be clear, those people who say actually the City may be in a worse
:40:25. > :40:29.place as a result of what's happened because the other 26 can
:40:29. > :40:34.get together and rules can be agreed on qualified majority voting
:40:34. > :40:38.and we won't be at the table, they are right? I think they might be
:40:38. > :40:41.right. I will be now actively working with not just business
:40:41. > :40:44.groups and financial services, but manufacturers in my own
:40:44. > :40:48.constituency, in Sheffield, who export to Europe. They are anxious
:40:48. > :40:52.about what this means for their ability to continue to make things
:40:52. > :40:55.in Sheffield and export them into what remains the world's largest
:40:55. > :40:58.borderless single market. What I think we need to do, what I will be
:40:58. > :41:02.doingis, what the Government will be doing is working with business
:41:02. > :41:06.who are anxious about this and many of the business groups have said so
:41:06. > :41:09.already and they want to see Britain standing tall in Europe,
:41:09. > :41:13.defending their interest and making sure the integrity of the single
:41:13. > :41:18.market is properly preserved. We will need to work especially hard
:41:18. > :41:24.to make sure that happens. That is what we need to do next. If the
:41:24. > :41:30.City isn't better protected, what was it all about? What was the veto
:41:30. > :41:35.for? The safeguards which the Government as a whole sought were
:41:35. > :41:40.pretty reasonable safeguards to ensure that the level playing field
:41:40. > :41:47.upon which this huge single marblgt of over 5 50 million consumers were
:41:48. > :41:52.based -- market of over 550 million consumers were based. There wasn't
:41:52. > :41:59.any negotiation. There was no... There was no give-and-take at all.
:41:59. > :42:04.The whole thing became polarised and that, potentially, over time is
:42:04. > :42:09.damaging to Britain as a whole. All my political life I have believed
:42:09. > :42:16.that Britain is stronger, better, greater when we lead and when we
:42:16. > :42:20.stand tall in Europe because by the way, if we stand tall... Sure.
:42:20. > :42:26.will be taken seriously in Washington. You think the Prime
:42:26. > :42:32.Minister was trapped? I think the Prime Minister was in a difficult
:42:32. > :42:36.position. He faced intransigence from France and Germany. I have
:42:36. > :42:40.been warning for weeks privately and publicly that the danger at the
:42:41. > :42:46.summit was one of division. That it was clear that the French
:42:46. > :42:53.government would not shed a tear if Britain was pushed to the...
:42:53. > :42:58.did the Government let its get into this position? Can I finish? It was
:42:58. > :43:01.facing intransigence in large parts of the Conservative Party on Europe.
:43:01. > :43:04.He couldn't come back empty-handed. Self-evidently if he had done so,
:43:04. > :43:09.he wouldn't have been able to get whatever had been agreed through
:43:09. > :43:14.the House of Commons. All we would have had would have been a delayed
:43:14. > :43:18.crisis. You don't blame David Cameron for this, but you blame the
:43:18. > :43:25.Conservative Party? When things breakdown in any negotiations, you
:43:25. > :43:29.get a dialogue of people who aren't talking. On the one hand, we had
:43:29. > :43:36.countries and particularly France and Germany who weren't interested
:43:36. > :43:38.in trying to help out and on the other hand, we have had this steady
:43:39. > :43:42.drum beat for years from the Conservative Party or parts of it
:43:42. > :43:48.of outright antagonism to all things European. They think this
:43:48. > :43:52.was a triumph? My view, they are spectacularly misguided. There is
:43:52. > :43:55.nothing - I hear this talk about the bulldog spirit. There is
:43:55. > :43:59.nothing bulldog about Britain hovering somewhere in the mid-
:43:59. > :44:03.Atlantic not standing tall in Europe, not being taken seriously
:44:03. > :44:06.in Washington. I have always believed in a self-confident, open,
:44:06. > :44:11.engaged Britain. That is what I believe. It is what my party
:44:11. > :44:14.believes in. I don't think it is a foregone conclusion that the
:44:14. > :44:19.potential damage that could be done to us as a country is going to
:44:19. > :44:23.happen. It depends on how we play our cards. That is why far from
:44:23. > :44:29.retreating further to the margins, which is what some Eurosceptics
:44:29. > :44:33.want, we should be re-engaging more fully. It is clear that you think
:44:33. > :44:37.the veto didn't gain us anything and may have put us in a more
:44:37. > :44:40.dangerous position. Can I ask you during those nine hours of
:44:40. > :44:44.negotiations, at any point did the Prime Minister speak to you about
:44:44. > :44:49.it directly? I spoke to the Prime Minister after the summit was
:44:49. > :44:54.concluded. So not during the negotiations? He was locked in a
:44:54. > :44:58.nocturnal negotiation. I was locked in my flat in Sheffield. You heard
:44:58. > :45:03.about it early in the morning in Sheffield? I was called at 4.00 in
:45:03. > :45:06.the morning as the thing broke up and I was told about the outcome
:45:06. > :45:16.shortly before the Prime Minister gave a press conference. I told the
:45:16. > :45:17.
:45:17. > :45:21.Prime Minister then... What was What was your immediate reaction?
:45:21. > :45:27.said it was bad for Britain. I made it clear it was untenable for me to
:45:27. > :45:33.welcome it. Subsequently, my first comment was that I regret the
:45:34. > :45:38.outcome, the Euro-sceptics should be careful what they wish for. I
:45:39. > :45:43.have, for a very long time, believed that the danger in all of
:45:43. > :45:49.this is that firstly the eurozone does not get its act together, and
:45:49. > :45:55.the jury this allowed to whether it has, and this may be a sideshow
:45:55. > :45:58.compared to the economic story, and secondly that over a long period of
:45:58. > :46:03.time I have said we need to do everything we could to avoid
:46:03. > :46:10.division. I certainly could not have foreseen that we ended up not
:46:10. > :46:15.in a situation of 17 versus turn, but one versus 26, which clearly,
:46:15. > :46:19.whatever your views on Europe, and I know there are a lot of people
:46:19. > :46:24.anxious about the European Union, but no one can believe it is good
:46:24. > :46:27.for Britain in the long run. Many Conservatives would like to see a
:46:27. > :46:32.referendum on our future Inside Europe - would you allow that to
:46:32. > :46:37.happen? The there is no case for one when there is no transfer of
:46:37. > :46:43.sovereignty of power. There should be a referendum if we were going
:46:43. > :46:48.to... But this is the irony - we would never be asked as a country
:46:48. > :46:51.to transfer any sovereignty from the UK to the EU. We were being
:46:51. > :46:55.asked to consent to a new set of arrangements that would allow the
:46:55. > :47:00.eurozone to do something fiscally. David Cameron needed to bring
:47:00. > :47:05.something back to show safeguards were secured and that didn't happen.
:47:06. > :47:10.I would like to ask you about the new set of arrangements. We appear
:47:10. > :47:16.to have 26 countries meeting together to discuss massive
:47:16. > :47:22.economic issues, but they are not the EU. Will they used the same
:47:22. > :47:28.buildings, the same officials? What will happen? No one knows, this is
:47:28. > :47:32.uncharted territory. My own view is that we need to make sure, as more
:47:32. > :47:36.summits Becker and more discussions occurred - there will be other
:47:36. > :47:41.opportunities in the months ahead for Britain to exercise some
:47:41. > :47:47.influence - that we don't make this... Really? Because a lot of
:47:47. > :47:52.people would say they will talk about the other issues. He then
:47:52. > :47:59.there would be ludicrous for the 26, pretty much the whole European
:47:59. > :48:04.Union with the exception of one, to recreate new institutions. Use the
:48:04. > :48:08.old ones? The have said in summit conclusions that they want the
:48:08. > :48:11.European Court of Justice to play a role in monitoring these tough
:48:11. > :48:15.Germanic the school standards so they have already said there will
:48:15. > :48:20.be crossover between some institutions we share. I think it
:48:20. > :48:30.is important that what we do as a country is thinks Mart and long-
:48:30. > :48:30.
:48:30. > :48:35.term -- think smart and long-term about the power and authority of
:48:35. > :48:38.the European Commission in making sure the rules are enforced in an
:48:38. > :48:44.even way across the European Continent. How does Britain climb
:48:44. > :48:47.back into the boat, if that is what you think should happen? There will
:48:47. > :48:54.be meetings every month to which Britain will not be invited, and
:48:54. > :48:58.they will feel like meetings of the EU. They will feel like that, but
:48:58. > :49:04.as I also explained, there is clearly a decision that has been
:49:04. > :49:09.made to use some of the European Union institutions. That involves
:49:09. > :49:15.us so we have a foot in the door. Only a foot in the door. Of course,
:49:15. > :49:19.that is why I don't welcome this, that is why it I said I regret the
:49:19. > :49:23.outcome of the summit. It all depends on what we do and what I am
:49:23. > :49:28.going to do, and what this government should do, what I will
:49:28. > :49:32.do in his coalition government is to fight for British long-term
:49:32. > :49:39.interests to make sure business, jobs and growth are enhance am not
:49:39. > :49:42.undermined. Can I put it to you, but as one of the most fervent pro-
:49:42. > :49:50.European politicians and the country, you find yourself in the
:49:50. > :49:54.middle of the government that has taken an irrevocable step that has
:49:54. > :50:00.put Britain outside of the EU, and furthermore the prime minister is
:50:00. > :50:05.extremely popular in his party and in the country as well. I accept
:50:05. > :50:10.that if you go out in the country people agree with this. I have also
:50:10. > :50:15.believed, as long as I have been in politics, but you shouldn't always
:50:16. > :50:20.just do what is immediately popular. You have got to do what is right
:50:20. > :50:26.for the long-term benefit of the country, and I have always believed
:50:26. > :50:33.the right thing is for us to lead and stamp tall. What can you do?
:50:33. > :50:37.What I think we can do, must do, and will do, is make sure this
:50:37. > :50:43.setback does not become a permanent breach which damages jobs and
:50:43. > :50:48.growth in this country. How? Just look at the summits that will now
:50:48. > :50:53.happen. There will have to be a discussion about the use of
:50:53. > :50:58.European institutions. We must make sure the use of those is done in a
:50:58. > :51:03.way that safeguards the integrity of the single market, a bomb which
:51:03. > :51:07.3 million jobs are directly dependent in this country. The poll
:51:07. > :51:13.tax of this could change dramatically if the eurozone breaks
:51:13. > :51:18.up in a disorderly fashion, and we could still be looking out.
:51:18. > :51:21.All of this could look like a Sunday morning sideshow if the
:51:21. > :51:27.eurozone goes belly-up, and I hope it doesn't because that would do
:51:27. > :51:32.immense damage to our economy. We don't know yet if the issues have
:51:32. > :51:36.been properly dealt with by this summit. There are now several more
:51:36. > :51:41.months of cogitation is, where of course, not withstanding the change
:51:41. > :51:45.that occurred last week, we can still make our voice heard. I will
:51:45. > :51:49.never change from my lifelong belief that Britain is at its
:51:49. > :51:54.strongest when we seek to lead debates. Do you think this summit
:51:54. > :51:58.would have been more successful had the Liberal Democrats ministers
:51:58. > :52:02.been more engaged in the preparation and been there as well?
:52:02. > :52:11.I have not the prime minister, but of course things would have been
:52:11. > :52:15.different because I am not under the same constraints. You would not
:52:15. > :52:21.have let yourself be in that same position? Clearly we, this from
:52:21. > :52:25.different directions. Well this break-up the coalition? It would be
:52:25. > :52:30.even more damaging for us as a country if the coalition government
:52:30. > :52:35.were to fall apart. That would create economic disaster at the
:52:35. > :52:39.time of uncertainty. Europe said, you're angry, but you know you
:52:39. > :52:45.can't do anything about it. There are many disagreements in a
:52:45. > :52:52.coalition government of two parties who clearly don't agree. On this
:52:52. > :53:00.particular instance, because it is so significant, of course these
:53:00. > :53:05.things spillover. It is possible Britain is on its way to leaving
:53:05. > :53:10.the EU? I will fight that tooth and nail because a Britain that leaves
:53:10. > :53:14.the EU would be considered to be irrelevant by Washington, and
:53:14. > :53:21.considered a pygmy in the world when I want to stand tall.
:53:21. > :53:26.Now over to Louise for the news headlines. Nick Clegg has told this
:53:26. > :53:30.programme the outcome of the Brussels summit was bad for Britain.
:53:30. > :53:33.He said Euro-sceptic Conservative MPs who showed David Cameron to
:53:33. > :53:36.show bulldog spirit were spectacularly misguided. The Prime
:53:36. > :53:46.Minister will make a statement to Parliament tomorrow, about the
:53:46. > :53:52.
:53:52. > :53:57.Delegates agreed to work towards a new deal that would commit all
:53:57. > :54:02.countries to legally-binding limits on carbon emissions by 2020. The
:54:02. > :54:12.conference in Durban overran by two days. That is all from me at the
:54:12. > :54:14.
:54:14. > :54:18.moment. Back to you, Andrew. Now undoubtedly one of the most
:54:18. > :54:21.distinctive voices in pop music in the late 1980s and 90s belonged to
:54:21. > :54:24.Mick Hucknall. As the lead singer and songwriter for the soul band
:54:24. > :54:27.Simply Red, he created a string of hits such as Holding Back the Years,
:54:27. > :54:30.and Money's Too Tight To Mention. Success made him wealthy and he was
:54:30. > :54:34.among a number of prominent donors to the Labour Party and supporters
:54:34. > :54:37.of Tony Blair at the time of the 1997 election. As is often the way
:54:37. > :54:40.in music, Simply Red gained legions of fans, but its detractors were
:54:40. > :54:43.almost equally fervent. It was officially retired last year, but
:54:43. > :54:47.now Mick Hucknall is back, solo, with a new single, and he joins me
:54:47. > :54:51.now. Welcome. One of the things that even Simply Red fans might not
:54:51. > :54:58.have realised is how much you came out of the punk scene in Manchester.
:54:58. > :55:02.It is not something you would be associated with now, dare I say?
:55:02. > :55:07.I also spent a few years on the dole, which gave me life-changing
:55:07. > :55:14.experience, and I therefore tried to apply that in how I understood
:55:14. > :55:20.the world and in my politics. A you are at the marmite singer, I would
:55:20. > :55:24.say. Some people a door you and you have had detractors as well. Do you
:55:24. > :55:29.think that is inevitable if you are going to be different? It is a lot
:55:29. > :55:33.to do with having an opinion. If you express an opinion, clearly not
:55:33. > :55:37.everyone will agree with you. Having a political view about
:55:37. > :55:42.things, about the against Margaret Thatcher in the 80s for example
:55:42. > :55:47.would have created a lot of enemies. Are you still a Labour donor and
:55:47. > :55:54.supporter? A have not donated any money to the Labour Party since
:55:55. > :55:58.Iraq. That is my position. Pretty self-explanatory. Thank you. Well
:55:58. > :56:02.that's all we have time for. Thanks to all my guests. Do join me again,
:56:02. > :56:05.at the same time next week, for our last show before Christmas. We'll
:56:05. > :56:08.be looking back over a very eventful year, with the Mayor of
:56:08. > :56:18.London among others. And we'll have more live music. But for now, we
:56:18. > :56:22.
:56:22. > :56:27.leave you with Mick Hucknall, and # Year after year
:56:28. > :56:37.# Life wasn't by his December # Now Christmas is here
:56:38. > :56:38.
:56:38. > :56:44.# Tell me the things you remember # Singing our favorite songs
:56:44. > :56:52.# Let's forgive and forget # All the things that we hoped
:56:52. > :57:00.# Won't go wrong # People come together
:57:00. > :57:04.# From all over the world # We're all coming together
:57:04. > :57:14.# Tell me can you feel it # I hope you're happy this
:57:14. > :57:17.
:57:17. > :57:27.Christmas # Are you cheering for Christmas
:57:27. > :57:28.
:57:28. > :57:35.# All over the world # Looking at the world
:57:35. > :57:40.# Wondering where this is going # The people you love
:57:40. > :57:47.# The life you have seen # Are we growing
:57:47. > :57:57.# Singing our favorite songs # Let's forgive and forget
:57:57. > :57:58.
:57:58. > :58:03.# And fill the world with happiness tonight
:58:03. > :58:08.# People come together # From all over the world
:58:08. > :58:16.# We're all coming together # Tell me can you feel it
:58:16. > :58:25.# I hope you're happy this Christmas
:58:25. > :58:35.# Are you cheering for Christmas # I hope you're happy this
:58:35. > :58:38.
:58:39. > :58:45.Christmas # Are you cheering for Christmas