:00:40. > :00:44.Good morning. Welcome. Busy old day in the news around the world. Over
:00:44. > :00:48.in the State, the republican race to contest the next presidential
:00:48. > :00:53.election has turned nasty. Mitt Romney, who is a Mormon is the man
:00:53. > :00:57.to beat, but his rivals have already criticised him for backing
:00:57. > :01:01.Government-funded health care and raising taxes. However, a new ad
:01:01. > :01:06.delivers the ultimate insult. It says that Massachussetts moderate
:01:06. > :01:11.Mitt Romney, he'll say anything to win, anything warns the narrator
:01:11. > :01:14.and he speaks French too! That's him finished. He probably eats
:01:14. > :01:20.cheese as well. Joining me today for the review of the Sunday
:01:21. > :01:25.newspapers, the Scottish musician and chef, Midge Ure, and the
:01:25. > :01:28.independent columnist, Mary Ann Sieghart. In tough times, you might
:01:28. > :01:32.expect the Prime Minister or the Deputy to be getting a drubbing
:01:32. > :01:35.from the commentators, but that privilege goes to the opposition
:01:35. > :01:39.leader, Labour's Ed Miliband. Some of what he said, talking about the
:01:39. > :01:42.squeeze to middle, attacking the Murdoch empire and calling for a
:01:42. > :01:46.crackdown on City bonuses has been echoed across the political
:01:46. > :01:52.spectrum. But he's been accused by his own side of lacking strategy
:01:52. > :01:55.and energy and his polling is poor. Now, after a major shift of
:01:55. > :01:59.direction, seemingly accepting Government cuts he once opposed, Ed
:01:59. > :02:03.Miliband joins me this morning to talk about the year ahead.
:02:03. > :02:07.Yesterday saw a noisy protest in the usually calm surroundings of
:02:07. > :02:10.Harley Street in Central London. Women who've had faulty silicone
:02:10. > :02:14.implants are demanding the companies who performed the
:02:14. > :02:17.operations the cost of replacing them, or should we the taxpayers
:02:17. > :02:23.pay? I'll be asking the Health Secretary, Andrew Lansley, who
:02:23. > :02:31.picks up with bill when a private health firm gets it wrong? David
:02:31. > :02:36.Hockney gives us a personal tour of a huge exhibition of his art.
:02:37. > :02:41.All of that after the news. Here is Susanna Reid.
:02:41. > :02:45.A Korean couple on their honeymoon have been found alived on the
:02:45. > :02:51.capsized Italian cruise ship, Costa Concordia, 24 hours after it ran
:02:51. > :02:55.aground off Italy's coast. Rescue teams continue their search for
:02:55. > :02:58.survivors as around 40 people are still missing, although a third
:02:58. > :03:01.person has been rescued this morning. The Captain has been
:03:01. > :03:06.arrested. From Italy, Matthew Price reports.
:03:06. > :03:10.Overnight, an astonishing moment. Rescuers located and then brought
:03:10. > :03:16.out two people who'd been trapped by the water inside the ship for
:03:16. > :03:20.over a day. Some 40 others though are still
:03:20. > :03:25.unaccounted for. TRANSLATION: We need to investigate,
:03:25. > :03:31.we need to search for other people. They're still under the water. But
:03:31. > :03:41.it's a difficult situation, very dangerous, because the ship is very
:03:41. > :03:41.
:03:41. > :05:19.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 97 seconds
:05:19. > :05:23.deep under the sea and could go Of a post-mortem examinations have
:05:24. > :05:29.revealed the couple died from several blows to the head. Fines
:05:29. > :05:33.for people who put their rubbish in the wrong bins, or out on the wrong
:05:33. > :05:37.day, are being scrapped. Local authorities can currently find
:05:37. > :05:41.household as if they do not follow rules on putting a recycling but
:05:41. > :05:45.critics say it is not fair to charge people who have made a
:05:45. > :05:49.genuine mistake. The awards season gets underway in Hollywood this
:05:49. > :05:55.evening. Several British productions have received
:05:55. > :06:01.nominations including Downton Abbey. Actors hoping to pick up awards
:06:01. > :06:11.include Kenneth Branagh and Kate Winslet. Ricky Gervais will host. I
:06:11. > :06:14.
:06:14. > :06:19.Front-pages as usual. Interesting to see the Sunday Mirror there. It
:06:19. > :06:22.was just like Titanic. And the Sunday tp Telegraph, it was just
:06:22. > :06:27.like Titanic. Of all the Sunday newspaper, the Sunday Telegraph
:06:27. > :06:32.wins the prize for the most dramatic presentation of that very
:06:32. > :06:36.dramatic story. They've also got a Scottish opinion poll related story
:06:36. > :06:39.there which we'll talk about in a minute. The Observer leads on
:06:39. > :06:43.Scotland. Alistair Darling tells the Scots of huge economic risk
:06:43. > :06:48.from UK split. And there's a vast amount about the future of the
:06:48. > :06:51.union across the papers. There's the People, it's sinking, pray for
:06:51. > :06:54.us and the Independent on Sunday, we hit a rock, it shouldn't have
:06:54. > :06:59.been there. Or they shouldn't have been there, more to the point, the
:06:59. > :07:03.rock had nothing to do with it, it was innocent. The Sunday Times, a
:07:03. > :07:06.story about Cherie Blair looking for �65 million to raise for
:07:06. > :07:12.private health clinics. Midge Ure and Mary-Ann Sieghart, thank you
:07:12. > :07:17.both very much for coming in. Let's start with Scotland, Midge, it's
:07:17. > :07:21.absolutely everywhere? It is. It's understandably so. As a Scot, not
:07:21. > :07:27.living in Scotland, I won't have a say in the outcome of this. But I
:07:27. > :07:31.think it's very important. I'm not an SNP fan, I'm not a huge fan of
:07:31. > :07:35.Party Politics, a bit like most of the records in the top 40 these
:07:35. > :07:39.days, it's diluted by the masses, the amount of people that are
:07:39. > :07:44.involved in it. I do like Alex Salmond, I find him a very strong,
:07:44. > :07:50.independent character. He's getting a kicking, very easy kicking, from
:07:51. > :07:55.the cartoonists and the unionist commentators? He has a good figure
:07:55. > :08:00.to emulate in the cartoon. I think it's dreadfully important that
:08:00. > :08:05.Scotland itself, the people of Scotland decide who, where, within
:08:05. > :08:10.this decision should be made. The last thing that they need or want
:08:10. > :08:16.or require is an upper middle class Englishman telling them how they
:08:16. > :08:20.should deal with their own futures. However, the opinion poll that I
:08:20. > :08:23.mentioned which is in the Sunday Telegraph is interesting,
:08:23. > :08:32.suggesting that the English are even more enthusiastic about
:08:32. > :08:34.Scottish independence than the Scots are? Well, maybe it's David
:08:34. > :08:39.Cameron's desire to get rid of Scotland because I couldn't think
:08:39. > :08:42.of a better way of doing it, you know. If there's a grey area or a
:08:42. > :08:52.no area in Scotland for devolution, he's probably just changed that. I
:08:52. > :08:58.can sense, in my body, the people of Scotland, you know, they're
:08:58. > :09:00.rebuilding Hadrian's Wall. Mary Ann, it would be useful for the
:09:00. > :09:03.Conservatives in the Scots weren't part of the Westminster Parliament?
:09:03. > :09:06.Yes, that's the irony. That you could have almost permanent
:09:06. > :09:10.Conservative Government in England and Wales and Northern Ireland if
:09:10. > :09:12.you lost all the Labour seats in Scotland, yet they are the
:09:12. > :09:16.Conservative and Unionist Party or at least they always used to be
:09:16. > :09:21.called that. Unionism is really in the marrow of their bones.
:09:21. > :09:28.I think in the end, having the nuclear deterrent and the Security
:09:28. > :09:31.Council and the position inside the EU probably matters more to the
:09:31. > :09:37.Cabinet than... Yes, but would Britain lose that if it lost
:09:37. > :09:39.Scotland? Probably not, but Scotland would lose it if it went
:09:40. > :09:43.independent. What is quite interesting is ministers are saying
:09:43. > :09:48.all kinds of chilling things about the awfulness of what would happen
:09:48. > :09:50.to the Scottish economy and to the currency if Scotland were to become
:09:50. > :09:54.independent. But they are not talking about the benefits to
:09:54. > :09:59.Scotland of remaining in the union. Everything so far is negative.
:09:59. > :10:02.Which I think that's a mistake. next story. You have got one of the
:10:03. > :10:07.stories about this terrible cruise ship disaster? Only really to echo
:10:07. > :10:11.what you said which is that this is the most dramat you can photograph
:10:12. > :10:15.isn't it? -- dramatic photograph. We are used to cruise ships feeling
:10:15. > :10:18.like floating cities, you get on one and it's like being part of a
:10:19. > :10:22.huge town. The idea that it can be sunk by a rock. You have modern
:10:22. > :10:29.technology now also which steers you away from rocks, doesn't it?
:10:29. > :10:32.That's what we thought? It claims in the papers that if it deviates -
:10:32. > :10:37.in here, there's a little map of what the intended route was meant
:10:37. > :10:42.to be - and the ship does something like three miles off course. The
:10:42. > :10:45.moment it goes off course, alarms go off and none of this happened. I
:10:45. > :10:49.like the fact the Captain claimed the rock shouldn't have been there
:10:49. > :10:53.and the papers are likening it to the Titanic. The Titanic, I think
:10:53. > :10:58.the iceberg was floating, the rocks are fairly fixed, you know. Indeed.
:10:58. > :11:04.Let's move on to some politics, Mary Ann, you chose again a lot
:11:04. > :11:10.about Ed Miliband as I said at the begining of the programme, as we
:11:10. > :11:13.said? The poll in the Sunday Times is shocking news for Ed Miliband,
:11:13. > :11:19.shows that Conservative supporters think that Cameron is doing a good
:11:19. > :11:25.job by a factor or 91, in other words, 9% think, or even more than
:11:25. > :11:29.that, they think he's doing a good job. Even for Nick Clegg, Lib Dem
:11:29. > :11:34.supporters have give him a positive rating of 45, Ed Miliband gets a
:11:34. > :11:38.negative from his own supporters of minus 3 points. They don't think
:11:38. > :11:42.he's doing a good job. Voters they Ed Miliband and Alistair Darling
:11:42. > :11:46.would be better leaders of the opposition than Ed Miliband.
:11:46. > :11:50.Presumably, Ed Balls's announcement that there has to be a pay freeze
:11:50. > :11:53.until the next election isn't going to help the mood of the party
:11:53. > :11:56.activists and a lot of Trade Unionists? Well, it's not going to
:11:56. > :12:00.help any workers in the public sector either. I think he's right
:12:00. > :12:04.and it's a good argument to say we have to put jobs before pay rises,
:12:05. > :12:08.in other words people in jobs should make small sacrifices in
:12:08. > :12:12.return for helping unemployed people into jobs. It's going to
:12:12. > :12:18.help a lot more people in number terms than it will help. Miliband
:12:18. > :12:21.is also saying today he wants to close tax haven loopholes. This is
:12:21. > :12:24.because he's desperately trying to find something that will
:12:24. > :12:28.differentiate himself from the Tory party. What happens is, whenever he
:12:28. > :12:32.comes up with a good idea, this often happens in opposition, the
:12:32. > :12:34.Tories or the coalition grab it, so Cameron's been talking about
:12:34. > :12:39.responsible capitalism which is what Miliband was talking about at
:12:39. > :12:44.the Party Conference. I suspect it will be a point he makes later on.
:12:44. > :12:48.We'll see. He's saying he'll close the tax haven Liverpool holes which
:12:48. > :12:54.the Conservatives won't because that's the party of the rich.
:12:54. > :12:59.of stories around. A shameful one you have chosen here if it's true?
:12:59. > :13:04.Yes, the marines urinating on the corpses of the Taliban. I'm sure
:13:04. > :13:09.it's one of these things, dreadful things have happened in the past,
:13:09. > :13:12.I'm sure, in conflicts and war, but this has come to light because of
:13:12. > :13:16.this ridiculous scenario where everyone has a mobile phone with a
:13:16. > :13:21.camera on it and they seem to think it's OK to video stuff like this
:13:21. > :13:24.and share it with the rest of the world. But isn't it better that
:13:24. > :13:28.they did because then these guys wouldn't have been found out. It
:13:28. > :13:33.makes people more accountable? it's how they think this can do
:13:33. > :13:38.this in the first place and then think, OK, we'll film it for a bit
:13:38. > :13:42.of fun. It's a continuation of that kind of slap-happy scenario that
:13:42. > :13:48.school kids would do many years ago. Very interesting that the Taliban
:13:48. > :13:57.said that this would not derail any talks. There is stuff going on out
:13:57. > :14:05.there that we don't really know about I suspect. Absolutely. Do you
:14:05. > :14:11.remember a Dean of the Church of England who was offered to be the
:14:11. > :14:16.bishop. Rowan Williams withdrew that offer because Geoffrey was gay.
:14:16. > :14:20.He is gay and celebat and the rules say you can be homosexual but can't
:14:20. > :14:25.be in an active relagsship. He followed the rules. He had the
:14:25. > :14:28.Bishop of Reading withdrawn. He was then up to become Bishop of
:14:28. > :14:34.Southwark and was vetoed for the same reason. Now he's saying, I'm
:14:34. > :14:41.going to take you to court. Because of employment law which forbids
:14:41. > :14:44.discrimination against gay people. Not an ecclesiastical court?
:14:45. > :14:49.civil court. But what about the still-ons of women who ought to be
:14:49. > :14:55.able to be Bishops. I don't think the church has cans of worms but if
:14:55. > :15:01.it did this would be one serious can of worms? Yes. The next story?
:15:01. > :15:11.We have the Globes coming up this evening. The Golden Globes and I
:15:11. > :15:15.think it's quite incredible. David Cameron has the subtlety of a
:15:15. > :15:22.flying brick. He's alienated the entire British film industry and
:15:22. > :15:25.his comments on Scotland of course too. But, movie like this, directed
:15:25. > :15:30.by Steve McQueen, is up for a Golden Globe, if movies like that
:15:30. > :15:37.weren't made, you know, we wouldn't be up for these awards. There's
:15:37. > :15:44.also great speculation about the fact that the food at these very
:15:44. > :15:48.extravagant dos, edible gold leaf or whatever, every major event I've
:15:48. > :15:53.been to like that, the food is always atrocious. They are catering
:15:53. > :15:59.for thousands of people an nobody can do good food. Always cold and
:15:59. > :16:07.dreadful. But it's the opulence of it... The chef supremo you were.
:16:07. > :16:10.will haunt me for a long, long time. Ricky Gervais is come pering it
:16:10. > :16:14.again. He managed to insult everyone so fascinating they've
:16:14. > :16:17.asked him back. I think it's because he can say things American
:16:17. > :16:21.hosts can't and they have this extraordinary love-hate
:16:21. > :16:29.relationship with him. They can't resist even though they pretend to
:16:29. > :16:32.be offended by it. He puts a global slant on things. We've got one
:16:32. > :16:37.final story. The minister who has sold her house. You would think,
:16:38. > :16:47.why would it be a story that a minister sells her house?
:16:47. > :16:50.Her house was about 400 yards from the high-speed rail link and she
:16:50. > :16:56.sold just before the announcement it would go ahead and now she has
:16:56. > :17:00.not even got a house in her constituency. It was blighted by
:17:00. > :17:04.the probability of it going yet so it is not like she had inside
:17:04. > :17:09.information but still, you can see why it is not going down well.
:17:09. > :17:18.feel sorry for the people who bought it. They must have known.
:17:18. > :17:24.Any news on the band? The first new album in 27 years. It will be
:17:24. > :17:29.spring. To make a record after all that time, it has to be good, so
:17:29. > :17:36.hopefully it is. Got a good feeling about it? Positive MACRO. We used
:17:36. > :17:45.to go to the same New Romantic nightclubs! Can't you tell? I knew
:17:45. > :17:55.I had seen you before! Now the Yesterday we enjoyed wonderful,
:17:55. > :17:56.
:17:56. > :18:06.clear blue skies, a great day to It will be another cold day with
:18:06. > :18:06.
:18:06. > :18:10.spells of sunshine. Frost is lifting across East Midlands, it is
:18:11. > :18:14.generally frost-free in Northern Ireland. The cloud in Northern
:18:14. > :18:18.Ireland should break, we should see the cloud break across Wales and
:18:18. > :18:28.the West Country. More cloud stretching from East Anglia to
:18:28. > :18:30.
:18:30. > :18:36.north-east England but more This evening temperatures drop
:18:36. > :18:40.quickly under the clear skies with Frost developing widely overnight.
:18:41. > :18:48.Some patchy fog developing in eastern England and eastern
:18:48. > :18:58.Scotland. Grace dart across some parts of England and Wales. --
:18:58. > :19:04.
:19:04. > :19:07.Temperatures should rise next week with a frosty start on Tuesday. On
:19:07. > :19:16.Wednesday, double figures in England and Wales but there will be
:19:17. > :19:21.Don't panic is the message from the government to women with breast
:19:21. > :19:27.implants, a message spelt out in newspaper adverts this weekend. The
:19:27. > :19:33.NHS will put right Operations it performed in private clinics that
:19:33. > :19:36.used faulty clinics -- implants. Two of the biggest chains of
:19:36. > :19:43.clinics that performed the operation say their patients will
:19:43. > :19:46.have to pay all over again. Earlier I spoke to Andrew Lansley from our
:19:46. > :19:53.Cambridge studio and asked him if the Government could force private
:19:53. > :19:56.companies to act. We have no powers to do so, these were private
:19:56. > :20:01.contractors and private health care providers. So we do not have power
:20:01. > :20:07.to do that by the Iraq clear legal obligations on these providers as
:20:07. > :20:16.well as a moral obligation for the continuing care to patients. Taking
:20:16. > :20:23.advertisements in newspapers was to make clear to all women that we are
:20:23. > :20:28.there to support them. If their private provider will not, or
:20:28. > :20:33.cannot provide them with support, we will do so. The advert is clear
:20:33. > :20:38.- if a woman has any need for support, talk to your GP and on the
:20:38. > :20:42.basis of that the NHS can give you access to investigation if you
:20:42. > :20:47.needed and removal of the implant if that is the conclusion you reach
:20:47. > :20:56.with your doctor. As I understand that the NHS would remove a faulty
:20:56. > :21:00.implant if that was what was needed but would not pay for replacement.
:21:00. > :21:05.In practical, physical and emotional terms that is not
:21:05. > :21:10.unrealistic sounding prospect too many. We will replace implants for
:21:10. > :21:17.those who were originally NHS patients. Or where it is clinically
:21:17. > :21:19.necessary to do so but it is not the role of the NHS to replace
:21:19. > :21:29.implants thought -- purely for cosmetic purposes. In many cases
:21:29. > :21:33.there will not be a need to do so from a clinical point of view.
:21:33. > :21:39.Wouldn't that leave a lot of women in a pretty unpleasant condition,
:21:39. > :21:46.feeling bad about themselves and perhaps there is lots of surplus
:21:46. > :21:52.skin and so forth, and actually this is something the NHS should
:21:52. > :21:56.pick up? The expert group were clear in their advice to me that it
:21:56. > :21:59.was not necessary clinically except in relation to women who had had
:21:59. > :22:06.breast reconstruction surgery who had been supported through the NHS
:22:06. > :22:09.and the first place. If women are looking for replacement of these
:22:09. > :22:12.implants then ideally they should be looking to do so through their
:22:12. > :22:18.private providers who provide them with a cosmetic benefit in the
:22:18. > :22:21.first place. The NHS is there to provide clinical services, not to
:22:21. > :22:27.provide services that will not clinically necessary, so we will
:22:28. > :22:32.support women but let me also just say that the expert group are also
:22:32. > :22:36.clear this is not an urgent procedure. There is no clear
:22:36. > :22:41.evidence of increased risk associated with these PIP implants
:22:41. > :22:44.compared to normal ones. There is no link to cancer, if you remember
:22:45. > :22:50.before Christmas that was the original press report suggesting
:22:50. > :22:57.there was a link to cancer, but there is not one. The French and
:22:57. > :23:01.authorities are clear Rahmat, too. I know women are worried, and
:23:01. > :23:05.understandably so, but I do not think they should proceed on the
:23:05. > :23:08.basis that there is urgent need for the removal of these implants.
:23:08. > :23:13.we have private companies walking away from what many consider their
:23:13. > :23:21.obligations. Are you happy they carry on working and functioning
:23:21. > :23:26.after this kind of abdication of responsibility? No. I think the
:23:26. > :23:31.argument that they cannot afford to do so it begs the question of where
:23:31. > :23:38.was their insurance? Where were they insuring themselves against
:23:38. > :23:44.their liabilities? These are all issues are I hope the medical
:23:44. > :23:47.director of the NHS will look into the sea convenes an expert group. I
:23:47. > :23:55.think the ability to meet their liabilities towards patients should
:23:56. > :24:01.be an issue we look at. What about the wider position? Many people
:24:01. > :24:06.have had, or will have hip- replacement, knee replacements, all
:24:06. > :24:11.kinds of Operations performed by private clinics and inevitably some
:24:11. > :24:17.of these will go wrong at some stage, is very wide issue here
:24:17. > :24:23.about the responsibility of the NHS picking up problems, or failings
:24:23. > :24:29.which emerged through private clinics and hospitals? If there is
:24:29. > :24:39.a wider issue it is something the review of surgery when we live cat
:24:39. > :24:39.
:24:39. > :24:43.will identify. Where there are clinically... For example, in the
:24:43. > :24:48.past we have had hip-replacement so that have gone faulty, but they
:24:48. > :24:57.were not effective, and the NHS is there for patients when Everett is
:24:57. > :25:05.clinically necessary to replace any kind of device of this kind. --
:25:05. > :25:10.whenever it is clinically necessary. Under all those circumstances the
:25:10. > :25:13.NHS is there to provide NHS services and give people that kind
:25:14. > :25:20.of confidence that if anything went wrong at the NHS would be there to
:25:20. > :25:24.support them. I do not think we can compare what happens in the private
:25:24. > :25:33.sector privately outside the NHS and the role of the private sector
:25:33. > :25:37.in providing NHS services. Thank you for joining us. We do not have
:25:38. > :25:42.many people in Britain who really deserve the word genius. The artist
:25:42. > :25:46.David Hockney is one. Once best known for its vivid images of
:25:46. > :25:51.Californian, he is now spending most of his time in his native East
:25:51. > :25:54.Yorkshire working outdoors in all weathers. He has recently produced
:25:54. > :25:59.a remarkable series of paintings and films showing the landscape he
:25:59. > :26:03.has known from childhood through the changing seasons. They now
:26:03. > :26:09.feature in an exhibition about to open in London. I went to the Royal
:26:09. > :26:15.Academy yesterday to talk to David Hockney about his latest work. We
:26:16. > :26:25.are here in the Royal Academy. The home of the Turners, the constables
:26:26. > :26:28.
:26:28. > :26:34.over the centuries. -- Constables. You have filled the rooms with
:26:34. > :26:40.landscape paintings, something which people say is dead.
:26:41. > :26:45.landscape and nature, it is just our way of looking at things. How
:26:45. > :26:51.do you revive it? It cannot be true we are fed up of nature, we are
:26:51. > :26:58.part of it. We can't be. I am perverse enough to know that is a
:26:58. > :27:01.challenge and I am prepared to take it on. There are some amazing rooms
:27:01. > :27:06.of pictures here. This is one of the most extraordinary, about the
:27:06. > :27:12.arrival of spring in East Yorkshire. This is the only room where the
:27:12. > :27:19.work was made for this room, the scale of it and everything. This is
:27:19. > :27:23.a painting of the early spring when the leaves are first low and a
:27:23. > :27:28.float, you have this marvellous feeling of things floating. I then
:27:28. > :27:35.realised the arrival of spring is quite an event, it takes time to
:27:35. > :27:42.sit, to depict it. He have done a large number of iPad pictures which
:27:42. > :27:50.have then been blown up big. It is a very new medium in a way. The
:27:50. > :27:56.great thing about it is speed of the way you can book marks down,
:27:56. > :28:03.colour -- put marks down, colour. In England the light changes
:28:03. > :28:07.constantly, it is cold. That is probably why Turner was using
:28:07. > :28:11.watercolours, the speed of the medium to get atmospheric effects.
:28:11. > :28:16.These are not drawn that quickly but you can establish the colour
:28:16. > :28:23.very quickly. Once you put colour down you can pick it out again. It
:28:23. > :28:29.is all in your hand. You don't even need a glass of water, watercolour
:28:29. > :28:37.is quick but you have to wait for it to dry. Ensure artists will pick
:28:37. > :28:46.it up because anybody who draws well is interested in speed.
:28:46. > :28:56.Rembrandt drew quickly. Could you There is a great deal of work on
:28:56. > :28:58.
:28:58. > :29:06.this one. That was all done on this? Positive MACRO. -- yes. This
:29:06. > :29:10.is the beginning of spring 2012. You build it up. I know we are
:29:10. > :29:19.going to print this be so you were concerned about textures and you
:29:20. > :29:26.keep going on it. I have to learn how to do this. It is an endless
:29:26. > :29:34.sheet of paper. But in your pocket. The exhibition is going up at the
:29:34. > :29:44.moment. Here are some examples of the extraordinary colours you have
:29:44. > :29:54.drawn out of the East Yorkshire landscape. This is the best colour
:29:54. > :29:57.
:29:57. > :30:07.Actually there is a lot of colour in Yorkshire, There is. You have to
:30:07. > :30:10.
:30:11. > :30:18.You have to ask yourself questions. Once you start to draw, you do that
:30:18. > :30:22.all time. You have been working for about five years for this moment?
:30:22. > :30:27.It is very exciting. This is one of the examples of the pictures you
:30:27. > :30:32.have been making bigger and bigger. One of the things was indeed little
:30:32. > :30:38.studio in Bridlington there was a limit to the size of the canvas you
:30:38. > :30:41.could take upstairs because of the edging round the stairs. So it was
:30:41. > :30:45.a bit bigger than this. But I thought if I wanted to paint a
:30:45. > :30:55.bigger picture just put a few together and you can get out of the
:30:55. > :31:00.
:31:00. > :31:07.studio and carry them about. This It is called a close the tunnel.
:31:07. > :31:17.You are more in it. -- close at Tunnel. On the scale you have to
:31:17. > :31:21.There's nothing here that is political painting and yet it seems
:31:21. > :31:26.to me that, you know, at a time when people are worried about
:31:26. > :31:29.England and the condition of England and so on, it's all going
:31:29. > :31:35.away they think, actually you are saying to people look harder and
:31:35. > :31:40.it's still there. Is that true, is that fair? Yes, it is actually. And
:31:40. > :31:48.it's very beautiful. We live in a very, very beautiful part of the
:31:48. > :31:52.world that has seasons that change. Ruskin said there was no such thing
:31:52. > :31:57.as bad weather in England. He pointed out it's never too hot,
:31:57. > :32:02.it's never too cold, it's always bearable. If you want a green
:32:02. > :32:07.garden you've got to have rain. I mean, it's all part of it. I agree
:32:08. > :32:12.with him. I mean, I criticised the weather when it's bad, I always
:32:12. > :32:16.think, the weather is bad, but for who? The moment it snows in Britain,
:32:16. > :32:22.we go out to see it. You built models for this show, you have been
:32:22. > :32:28.working on it for years. How does it feel now to see it almost up?
:32:28. > :32:34.I think it's terrific, actually, I think it's been done very well.
:32:34. > :32:37.I've lived with the mod eld for the last six months so I knew what
:32:37. > :32:41.things would look like -- model. Quite a moment? Terrific I think,
:32:41. > :32:45.yes. Thank you very much. Very good. Yes.
:32:45. > :32:50.And that exhibition is on at the Royal Academy in London until April.
:32:50. > :32:53.You can see a longer film I've been making with David Hockney on the
:32:53. > :32:56.Culture Show on BBC Two on Saturday 4th February.
:32:56. > :33:00.When some of your closest colleagues express doubts about
:33:00. > :33:04.your leadership and the opinion polls show your opponent outscoring
:33:04. > :33:08.you, you know you have a battle ahead. Ed Miliband came out
:33:08. > :33:13.fighting this week, saying he had a strong inner belief that he'd win
:33:13. > :33:17.the next election and that he was a man of grit and inner steel. Good
:33:17. > :33:19.morning. Good morning, nice to be with you. Thank you.
:33:19. > :33:23.The most dramatic political announcement I suppose from your
:33:23. > :33:29.side in the last week was what Ed Balls said about a change in
:33:29. > :33:34.direction. Sure. On economic policy. He said that the Conservative
:33:34. > :33:36.coalition cuts could not be restored and that Labour accepted
:33:36. > :33:41.those? I wanted to test you on some of
:33:41. > :33:48.those cuts because, for instance in the House of Lords last week, there
:33:48. > :33:52.were some fairly severe battles about welfare reform, for instance.
:33:52. > :33:54.That unlimited support for cancer patients in employment could no
:33:54. > :33:59.longer be guaranteed. So does Labour now accept that? Well, let's
:33:59. > :34:03.come to the specifics in a minute, but I want to set out exactly what
:34:03. > :34:06.we said and why it's important. The autumn statement last year, George
:34:06. > :34:10.Osborne's autumn statement, that showed that the Government was not
:34:10. > :34:15.going to succeed in its plan to get rid of the deficit in one
:34:15. > :34:19.Parliament. So, Ed and I took the decision, entering this New Year,
:34:19. > :34:24.that it was right to acknowledge the circumstances that Labour would
:34:24. > :34:28.face. Now, I want to correct you on one thing - we continue to believe
:34:28. > :34:34.the Government is going too far and too fast in the cuts they are
:34:34. > :34:37.making. How so, because if you... Let me just... He said very clearly
:34:37. > :34:40.he was committed to the fact that you could not restore the cuts?
:34:41. > :34:44.me just make this point, Andrew, they're two sides of the same coin.
:34:44. > :34:48.We think the Government is gooing too far and fast. The impact of
:34:48. > :34:52.that is that it's bad for jobs, growth and borrowing as well. If
:34:52. > :34:55.they carry on on that course, we are going to inherit a difficult
:34:55. > :34:59.situation. We wish they'd change course because we think actually
:34:59. > :35:03.slower cuts aren't just important for services to protect safety on
:35:03. > :35:06.our streets, for example, but also necessary for our economy. But if
:35:06. > :35:09.they don't change course, we are going to inherit a difficult set of
:35:09. > :35:14.circumstances. Now, in those circumstances, if I were to come on
:35:14. > :35:17.your programme and say, well, take the cuts to some of the cuts that
:35:17. > :35:21.are being made, I can promise you now that I would restore them, you
:35:21. > :35:24.would say, where's the money going to come from? You don't know the
:35:24. > :35:27.circumstances you are going to inherit. Ed made an important point.
:35:27. > :35:32.So they are wrong but you accept what they are doing? I don't accept
:35:32. > :35:37.what they are doing. This is the oddity? Not at all. We don't accept
:35:37. > :35:41.it. Very interesting what happened with the eurozone, the downgrading.
:35:41. > :35:45.Standard & Poor's in their downgrading, they said austerity,
:35:45. > :35:52.the path that is being pursued is self-defeating. If you raise taxes
:35:52. > :35:55.too fast... For France... If you raises -- raise taxes too fast, you
:35:55. > :36:00.get low growth and it's harder to pay your debts so. The Government
:36:00. > :36:03.should change course. You have still got a triple-A rating and
:36:03. > :36:06.they don't? The consequences of the Government's failure is something
:36:06. > :36:09.the Next Labour Government will inherit. The other important thing
:36:09. > :36:13.I'm saying is even in tough times I believe we can make our society
:36:13. > :36:19.fairer. I want to come on to that in a moment, but let me return to
:36:19. > :36:23.some of those specifics. Sure. Severely disabled young people.
:36:23. > :36:27.When they reach the age of 18, they get Government support without a
:36:27. > :36:31.means test. The Government wants to change that. We think they are dog
:36:31. > :36:36.the wrong thing. They are doing the wrong thing, but you would not
:36:36. > :36:40.restore that if you were in power yourself? But I can't make that
:36:40. > :36:45.promise because it wouldn't be a responsible promise. Just on those
:36:45. > :36:49.sorts of specifics, what then is the difference between the proposal
:36:49. > :36:52.that Labour will be making come a general election on those kind of...
:36:52. > :36:55.I look forward to coming on to your programme and talking about that at
:36:55. > :36:59.the time of the general election. Ed Balls said there is no
:36:59. > :37:03.difference? He hasn't said that, Andrew. He said that you couldn't
:37:03. > :37:08.restore ANN of the cuts? Let me finish this point. He didn't say
:37:08. > :37:11.that. There is a big difference, if Labour was in power now, we
:37:11. > :37:17.would.making the changes or cutting as far and fast as the Government.
:37:17. > :37:19.We would be making cuts, in the police we said we could cut by �1
:37:19. > :37:22.billion, you could protect fontline services, the Government chose to
:37:22. > :37:26.go further and faester. When it comes to the Next Labour Government
:37:27. > :37:30.if I said to you, I can promise to restore this or that cut, you would
:37:31. > :37:34.say well where's the money going to come from, how do you know, what
:37:34. > :37:37.circumstances will you inherit? This is absolutely responsible
:37:37. > :37:41.opposition and it's absolutely a right thing for us to be doing at
:37:41. > :37:45.this stage of the Parliament. know that there isn't money, there
:37:45. > :37:49.won't be money then and there isn't money now and that therefore a more
:37:49. > :37:53.serious programme of cuts has to be supported and that is the change
:37:53. > :37:59.that you and Ed Balls have agreed? No, we are slightly going round in
:37:59. > :38:02.circles, but... Enjoying it... too. I continue to believe and we
:38:02. > :38:05.continue to believe that the Government is pursuing the wrong
:38:05. > :38:10.strategy. If they changed course, it would be better for the public
:38:10. > :38:20.finances as well because look, the problem they've got, �158 billion
:38:20. > :38:21.
:38:21. > :38:23.more borrowing. That's what the Chancellor announced. It is self-
:38:23. > :38:27.defeating. But because they're making such a mess of things,
:38:27. > :38:31.because of the way they are going about things, the prospects for
:38:31. > :38:36.what we'll inherit if we win the election in 2015 look pretty grim,
:38:36. > :38:40.frankly. We are showing that we understand those circumstances. Ed
:38:40. > :38:43.also showed yesterday you can make difference choices. I want to come
:38:43. > :38:46.on to those points, but one more time around the roundabout, if you
:38:46. > :38:52.look at what's happened for instance in France where they've
:38:52. > :38:57.lost their triple-A rating and other European countries. They also
:38:57. > :39:01.have very high deficits. Britain so far hasn't lost its triple-A rating,
:39:01. > :39:04.yet if you don't make the cuts and keep the taxes up, then you are
:39:04. > :39:10.going to have an even bigger deficit? Well, that's the
:39:10. > :39:14.Conservative view but it's wrong, Andrew. I'll tell you why it's
:39:15. > :39:18.wrong. The managing Director of The IMF, Christine Lagarde, made a very
:39:18. > :39:22.important statement a few months ago and said markets care about
:39:22. > :39:25.deficit reduction but they also care deeply about growth. There are
:39:25. > :39:29.three elements to getting the deficits down, tax changes,
:39:29. > :39:33.spending cuts but growth. If you get people into work paying tax,
:39:33. > :39:37.not out of work claiming benefits, you are more likely to get the
:39:37. > :39:40.benefits bill down and the deficit down. That's why the Government is
:39:40. > :39:43.borrowing more and not less. Their plan's failed. Those are the
:39:43. > :39:46.circumstances we are going to inherit and we are absolutely
:39:46. > :39:51.determined that Labour shows that we will be fiscally credible in
:39:51. > :39:56.Government. It's the right thing for us to be doing, why I made the
:39:56. > :40:00.speech on Tuesday and why Ed made the speech yesterday.
:40:00. > :40:04.So building schools for the future, described as a disgrace when that
:40:04. > :40:09.was scrapped by this Government, that has gone, that is your message,
:40:09. > :40:13.sorry it's gone and it's not coming back? We can't promise that at this
:40:13. > :40:16.stage. It would be harder to do that. It's true to say... What
:40:16. > :40:19.about... Let me make this point. It will be harder. The Next Labour
:40:19. > :40:22.Government will face a much trickier time than the last Labour
:40:22. > :40:26.Governments did because we had growth going up, tax revenues
:40:26. > :40:29.coming in and we were able to spend the money. We've got to find
:40:29. > :40:32.different routes to fairness, but there are different choices we can
:40:32. > :40:36.make. One example, because we are talking about young people, the
:40:36. > :40:39.Government wants to go ahead with a tax cut for the banks over the
:40:39. > :40:43.coming years, I say wrong choice, don't go ahead with that. To build
:40:43. > :40:47.a new economy for the future, it's much more important to invest in
:40:47. > :40:50.young people. Cut the division fee to �6,000, it's a difference. It's
:40:50. > :40:54.going to be different choices, harder choices than we faced in the
:40:54. > :40:57.past, but it's tough choices that I think we can make and we can make
:40:57. > :41:02.more in the interest of people in this country than this Government.
:41:02. > :41:06.But there isn't a fiscal route to salvation any more? There isn't a
:41:06. > :41:09.tax and spend difference which is big enough to alter the direction?
:41:09. > :41:14.I think I put it slightly differently. There are different
:41:14. > :41:18.tax and spending choices you can make and I've just illustrated one.
:41:18. > :41:22.But if you think about where British politics was up to 2007-
:41:22. > :41:25.2008, it was really an arguep about the spending of proceeds of
:41:25. > :41:29.economic growth. If we are going to inherit a big receive sit because
:41:29. > :41:32.of this Government's failure after the next election, it's going to be
:41:32. > :41:35.tougher. That's why I talked about taking on the vested interests
:41:35. > :41:38.because if it's harder to spend more money on the winter fuel
:41:38. > :41:43.allowance say for pensioners, all the more important to say to the
:41:43. > :41:46.energy companies, you have got to stop ripping off elderly people, so
:41:46. > :41:51.guarantee that people over 75 get the minimum tariff. It's a change
:41:51. > :41:54.you can make. It's not about spending more money. These may be
:41:54. > :41:58.important changes and may be about fairness. In terms of the big
:41:58. > :42:02.picture in the economy, they are not big enough to push the economy
:42:02. > :42:05.in one direction rather than another. Everybody seems to believe
:42:05. > :42:08.that the biggest problem over the last year has come from the
:42:08. > :42:13.eurozone crisis which would have happened whether the Government
:42:13. > :42:17.here was Conservative, pink, blue or any colour. By the way, you are
:42:17. > :42:22.in a sort of shrug your shoulders mindset. There's nothing the
:42:22. > :42:26.Government kps No, the The first part of your question. We'd take
:42:26. > :42:29.action now to slow the pace of deficit reduction and get the
:42:29. > :42:34.economy moving. It's crazy to leave young people unemployed when you
:42:34. > :42:38.could be funding youth jobs by having a bankers' bonus tax. It's
:42:38. > :42:45.crazy to let growth stall when you could be stimulating the economy.
:42:45. > :42:49.So one more huge example, big, big one. VAT. Does Labour's proposed
:42:49. > :42:53.VAT reduction remain on the table at the next election or is that
:42:53. > :42:58.also wrong because of the economic situation? It depends on the
:42:58. > :43:03.circumstances at the next election. You and Ed Balls have been talking
:43:03. > :43:07.about this on platforms, are you still talking about this? What is
:43:07. > :43:12.my advice to the Government now - change course, change course. This
:43:12. > :43:15.reminds me, from the history books, of the 1930s, because people were
:43:15. > :43:18.talking about whether anything could be done. The view was,
:43:18. > :43:22.Government is powerless in the face of these large forces, there's
:43:22. > :43:25.nothing Government can do. Actually, I don't believe that. The reason
:43:25. > :43:27.I'm in politics is because I always think politics can make a
:43:27. > :43:31.difference. That's the point of being in it. We can make a
:43:31. > :43:34.difference now and we can make a difference even in the tough times
:43:34. > :43:38.we might inherit in the middle of this decade. Let me put it to you
:43:38. > :43:42.that the tough times may be a lot tougher than even what we have seen
:43:42. > :43:49.over the last year or two. Sure. The news from the continent is
:43:49. > :43:54.terrible without talking it owl dawn and people are getting --
:43:54. > :43:59.talking it down people are getting worried. Things may change
:43:59. > :44:04.radically, that being so, are you saying enough? Is your message big
:44:04. > :44:08.enough and radical enough to catch people's imaginations? So far it
:44:08. > :44:11.hasn't? It's interesting. At my conference speech, I talked about
:44:11. > :44:14.we needed to change many of the assumptions on which we built
:44:14. > :44:18.economic policy for 30 years. I said we needed to move away from
:44:18. > :44:21.what I called irresponsible capitalism, based on short-term
:44:21. > :44:24.wealth creation, for example some of what we saw in the financial
:44:24. > :44:28.services, not all of it, but some of what we saw, the people at the
:44:28. > :44:32.top creaming off the big rewards, the vested interest like the energy
:44:32. > :44:34.and train companies ripping people off. When I said that, people said
:44:34. > :44:37.that's a big left wring and out of the mainstream. Now the Prime
:44:37. > :44:42.Minister and Deputy Prime Minister are falling over themselves to say,
:44:42. > :44:46.yes, we too want to take on croney capitalism. I think that's a sign
:44:46. > :44:49.that I'm on the right themes and this is big Andrew, about big
:44:49. > :44:53.reshaping of our economy and a big change in the way the vested
:44:53. > :44:58.interests work. It's about a big change also in who gets the rewards
:44:58. > :45:01.in our society, the famous squeezed middle and how we deal with the
:45:01. > :45:06.issues. Let's turn to what you would do then because you can't tax
:45:06. > :45:10.more and can't spend more, can't tax much more and can't spend much
:45:10. > :45:15.more? Sure. You can make difference choices, yes. That fiscal route to
:45:15. > :45:20.salvation's pretty much to one side. So given what can be done, what are
:45:20. > :45:24.the big changes, for instance, that need to be made in taxation? It has
:45:24. > :45:28.been argued that taxation of income has gone about as far as it can and
:45:28. > :45:33.that you should be thinking much more carefully about taxation of
:45:33. > :45:37.assets, all those people with large multi-million pound pots invested
:45:37. > :45:41.in their houses for instance? look at all thoseish yous. Again,
:45:41. > :45:44.it's something for the manifesto to look at issues of taxation across-
:45:44. > :45:48.the-board. That's what you would expect us to do. One thing I say is
:45:48. > :45:51.it's not my priority to cut the 50p tax rate which this Government
:45:51. > :45:55.seems to think. But I think actually that when you say we need
:45:55. > :46:05.an agenda that speaks to the big times, I think it should be about
:46:05. > :46:06.
:46:06. > :46:10.reshaping the economy. How does What has bedevilled British
:46:10. > :46:19.companies for a long time? The fat they are taken over quickly, we
:46:19. > :46:25.need to look at takeover rules. The way the stockmarket and British
:46:25. > :46:29.Finance work. Fund managers are saying the next couple of months is
:46:29. > :46:33.what matters. We have to look at the way that works. Funding for
:46:33. > :46:38.small business, we had a proposal the other day modelled on what is
:46:38. > :46:42.happening in America to give a better deal for small business in
:46:42. > :46:46.relation to venture capital. Reshaping rules for the City?
:46:46. > :46:53.absolutely. Reshaping the rules for our economy, for the city, we
:46:53. > :46:58.cannot go on with business as usual. And I am not saying let's go back
:46:58. > :47:04.to 2007, let's go back to live there for the financial crisis, I
:47:04. > :47:10.arguing for a big reshaping of how our economy works. In terms of big
:47:10. > :47:15.issues and what about the Scottish debate at the moment? Do you also
:47:15. > :47:25.think English and Welsh voters should have a say, if for example,
:47:25. > :47:29.
:47:29. > :47:33.the Scottish are being asked about TK Maxx? -- devo max? Then they
:47:33. > :47:39.should be cross-party talks in Scotland about how it would work. I
:47:39. > :47:42.care passionately about the future of the UK. Are you putting Alistair
:47:42. > :47:47.Darling in charge of your Cabinet? He would be a really important
:47:47. > :47:51.voice in this and has shown the eloquence he can do it with. My
:47:51. > :47:56.case is about our shared history and institutions, including the BBC,
:47:56. > :48:01.the NHS and other institutions. Our shared economic interest now
:48:01. > :48:04.because we are stronger together and we grew apart. If I think about
:48:04. > :48:10.my children and grandchildren I think the world will be seeing a
:48:10. > :48:15.barriers coming down. The idea that we erect barriers between part of
:48:15. > :48:18.the UK... So you feel strongly about it? I do. A will there be a
:48:18. > :48:24.single Labour at figure who leads the campaign? The there'll be lots
:48:24. > :48:27.of Labour figures. We have a new lead in Scotland, she is the person
:48:27. > :48:31.who will lead the campaign and is a very good leader and will make an
:48:31. > :48:38.eloquent and good case for the UK. She should English voters have a
:48:38. > :48:42.saying in this? In the end it will be a matter for voters in Scotland.
:48:42. > :48:46.But I think we always need to look at ways in which we can look at
:48:46. > :48:56.devolution in England. criticism that came from Lord last
:48:56. > :49:01.
:49:01. > :49:04.man and other people who had been close to you -- Maurice Glasman.
:49:04. > :49:10.hanker for an elected House of Lords after Maurice Glasman, but
:49:10. > :49:13.there we go. His 2012 a year you say yes, I will do better. This is
:49:13. > :49:19.part of being a leader of the opposition. You get criticism,
:49:19. > :49:25.advice, it is what happens. I know who will I am and where we are
:49:25. > :49:31.going... But I am asking if you listen to the criticism? You always
:49:31. > :49:37.listen to it but let me just say, you have been saying on this
:49:37. > :49:40.programme Ed Miliband has been identifying matters that -- issues
:49:40. > :49:44.that matter to people, but there is something deeper here, we are
:49:44. > :49:50.changing the party. Changes a hard process. We lost touch with people,
:49:50. > :49:54.we went had and listen to to them, about the squeeze in their living
:49:54. > :49:59.standards, we were too soft on the vested interests. This week we have
:49:59. > :50:02.been talking about how we will deal with issues around fiscal
:50:02. > :50:08.credibility and show that Labour can deliver in a different way. It
:50:08. > :50:15.is a process of change. We're winning the battle of ideas. It is
:50:15. > :50:20.not often you say that about an opposition. Why is David Cameron...
:50:20. > :50:23.By the way, he can't deliver on my agenda, but why is he coming onto
:50:23. > :50:28.my ground because he knows I am talking about the right issues and
:50:28. > :50:32.those that matter. That gives me confidence. There is one thing that
:50:32. > :50:34.has perhaps prevented people accepting that Labour has a right
:50:34. > :50:40.to talk about economic competence, which has been the reluctance to
:50:40. > :50:45.say anything about overspending in the Labour years. The model was the
:50:45. > :50:48.city makes all this money and Labour's job is to take some of
:50:48. > :50:52.that money and redistribute it into public spending in the welfare
:50:52. > :51:00.state. And I am proud of what we do. It is an economic model which
:51:00. > :51:04.failed. I would put it there for me. I would say we got it wrong on some
:51:04. > :51:09.issues like bank regulation and we did not build a diverse enough
:51:09. > :51:15.economy. An unbalanced economy taking money in the boom years is a
:51:16. > :51:21.failure. I acknowledge we did not do enough... Did you spend too
:51:21. > :51:28.much? No. Lehmann Brothers went bust, there was not to do with
:51:28. > :51:33.Labour over spending, it was a global financial crisis.
:51:33. > :51:37.consequence was the unwinding of an unbalanced economy. It is
:51:37. > :51:47.fundamental. The should have built a more balanced economy. I have
:51:47. > :51:48.
:51:48. > :51:52.said it on many occasions. -- we should have. And the small example
:51:52. > :51:55.of the predatory capitalism that you do not like, a small example is
:51:55. > :52:02.the breast implants situation at the moment. What would you do about
:52:02. > :52:05.it? I express great sympathy for all of the women who have been
:52:05. > :52:10.affected by this. I think Andrew Lansley is right to say the
:52:10. > :52:14.companies have a moral obligation but now that the companies are not
:52:14. > :52:17.acting on that, some of them, we cannot leave it at that. I want to
:52:17. > :52:23.initiate cross-party discussion about how we can not only changed
:52:23. > :52:28.the law for the future but how we can make a difference now to the
:52:28. > :52:31.women affected, either through legislation or other means to force
:52:31. > :52:36.the as companies to face up to their responsibilities. We must
:52:36. > :52:42.leave no stone unturned in making this company's be held to account.
:52:42. > :52:47.That is what I want to see. Talking about your own party, many people
:52:47. > :52:53.are upset by the other aspect of the change this week which was the
:52:53. > :52:56.idea they should not be pay increases for sector -- public
:52:56. > :52:59.sector workers and others because of the perilous situation and the
:52:59. > :53:05.importance of maintaining employment as high as it can be
:53:05. > :53:09.maintained. Some of the trade union leaders have described it as being
:53:09. > :53:15.a suicide note, many have expressed extreme anger about this. It is a
:53:15. > :53:19.hard choice but when you are faced with a choice between jobs,
:53:19. > :53:29.protecting jobs, or saying the money goes into pay rises, it is
:53:29. > :53:29.
:53:29. > :53:33.There are no easy choices in government. The choices for the
:53:34. > :53:38.next Labour government will be harder than those of the past. It
:53:38. > :53:41.is right that we say we have to prioritise employment. Most people
:53:41. > :53:47.watching this programme, some of whom will be in the private sector
:53:47. > :53:50.facing difficult situations on pay. Next time there is a governor
:53:50. > :53:53.proposal to cut something or reduce something and you stand up and
:53:53. > :54:00.oppose it, the ministers will be able to say but you would not
:54:00. > :54:08.reverse it, would you? Went that create a sense of hopelessness? --
:54:08. > :54:12.will that not. No because what we are doing now will be different. We
:54:12. > :54:17.would not be cutting as far and fast and we would make different
:54:17. > :54:21.choices. I believe we can show people there can always be hope
:54:21. > :54:25.that even in tough times you can make different choices for a young
:54:25. > :54:30.people, for people seeing living standard squeeze, to tackle the
:54:30. > :54:34.vested interests David Cameron will not tackle. That is what we are
:54:34. > :54:43.about, realism and hope. That is a combination that helps Labour win
:54:43. > :54:47.elections. In a year, you have to be in a different position. Will
:54:47. > :54:54.that be the case because the world has changed, or because Ed Miliband
:54:55. > :54:59.has changed? I am not a forecast of. That is not what the leadership
:54:59. > :55:02.business is about, it is about setting out what you believe,
:55:02. > :55:05.winning the battle of ideas, showing people who understand their
:55:05. > :55:09.lives and you can make a difference to them. That is what Labour is
:55:09. > :55:13.doing under my leadership and what we will carry on doing. In the year
:55:13. > :55:17.ahead you have to do something different from what you did in the
:55:17. > :55:25.year gone? We will be developing our policy, showing how we can
:55:25. > :55:30.deliver in tough times. yourself? I will be doing that, too.
:55:30. > :55:33.I was in my constituency on Friday talking to people, nobody raised
:55:33. > :55:39.the polls, they raced what was happening in their lives, the fate
:55:39. > :55:44.of young people, people worried about the NHS. That is the best way
:55:44. > :55:48.to succeed as a political party. Going back to the well-known words
:55:48. > :55:53.you need more dynamism and a clearer strategy and if you do not
:55:53. > :55:57.have those, you will be in the same position in the year. I am clear
:55:57. > :56:07.about who why am, what a stand for and what we want to take this
:56:07. > :56:07.
:56:07. > :56:14.country. -- hooked I am. -- who I am, or what I am. The question is
:56:14. > :56:20.do you stay the course? It is the right thing to do for the country.
:56:20. > :56:25.Now the news headlines... There are reports that a third person has
:56:25. > :56:32.been found alive on the capsized Italian cruise ship. Last night a
:56:32. > :56:37.Korean couple on their honeymoon were found alive. 24 hours -- found
:56:37. > :56:39.a live 24 hours after it ran aground. Ed Miliband has told this
:56:39. > :56:44.programme that he listens to criticism of his leadership, saying
:56:44. > :56:49.it was part of the job of being Labour leader. But he said he was
:56:49. > :56:52.determined to change the party and that would be a hard process. He
:56:52. > :57:00.admitted that while it was in power Labour had lost touch and been too
:57:00. > :57:04.soft on vested interests. The next news is at midday. Back to you...
:57:04. > :57:14.new political programme starts this weekend of BBC 1, it inhabits the
:57:14. > :57:14.
:57:14. > :57:21.or Sunday lunchtime slot. Andrew Neil presents Sunday politics.
:57:21. > :57:25.Politics. We will have Michael Gove, we are asking how you will improve
:57:25. > :57:29.schools. Alistair Darling will talk about Scotland and the New Labour
:57:29. > :57:34.economic policy, and we will have a head-to-head debate between Labour
:57:34. > :57:38.and the Scottish nationalists on Scottish independence. Sounds
:57:38. > :57:44.fascinating. This is a new show, how we differ from what came
:57:44. > :57:50.before? We will try a different approach to interviews, we will
:57:50. > :57:55.news new technology -- use new technology to put inconvenient
:57:55. > :58:00.quote up on the screen and see how people react to that. We will
:58:00. > :58:10.strive to be at least the second best programme on a Sunday! Glad to
:58:10. > :58:13.
:58:13. > :58:23.What would you like to ask about this huge issue of Scotland?
:58:23. > :58:24.
:58:24. > :58:30.pros and cons? I think in the end this must not become an argument
:58:30. > :58:33.between the UK parliament and the Scottish government, or between
:58:33. > :58:36.Alex Salmond and David Cameron, that is part of the danger in what
:58:36. > :58:42.has happened over the last week. It is about the substance and what
:58:42. > :58:47.matters to the people of Scotland. I think we benefit so much as a
:58:47. > :58:52.country from our shared history and interests and I passionately
:58:52. > :58:57.believe we have to protect that. People have used about Alex Salmond
:58:57. > :59:03.but I think it is bigger than that. Some things are even bigger than