:00:46. > :00:54.Good morning. Worrying news about parliament. For once, not the MPs
:00:54. > :00:57.themselves. Bud the building. The clock tower with Big Ben is now
:00:57. > :00:59.leaning by 18 inches. And there's a meeting tomorrow looking at radical
:00:59. > :01:03.options, including selling the building and moving parliament to
:01:03. > :01:09.another site. In the Mail on Sunday, an insider calls the biddable
:01:09. > :01:14.building an elegant disaster sinking into the mud. In the Sunday
:01:14. > :01:20.Times, one MP involved, Labour's Tom Docherty tries to sound
:01:20. > :01:23.reassuring. And I would say, fails. He says, "The House of Commons
:01:23. > :01:26.authorities would be surprised if the clock tower fell into the
:01:26. > :01:29.Thames any time soon." It's all long term but it's a story I'd have
:01:29. > :01:32.expected to read on the front page. Perhaps our newspaper reviewers
:01:32. > :01:35.this morning will have a view. They are both MPs. The Conservative Anna
:01:35. > :01:41.Soubry. And the former Labour Cabinet Minister Peter Hain. Now a
:01:41. > :01:43.memoirist as well. But we're going to be talking a lot this morning
:01:43. > :01:46.about which way the coalition, rather than the clock tower, is
:01:46. > :01:52.leaning. In these difficult economic times, we keep hearing
:01:52. > :01:55.about fairness. But what does it mean? The Sunday Telegraph here
:01:55. > :02:01.suggests the Liberal Democrats are pushing the idea of a tax on homes
:02:01. > :02:04.worth more than �2 million. Good idea? Bad idea? Nick Clegg, the
:02:04. > :02:06.deputy prime minister, joins me this morning to talk about the rich
:02:06. > :02:09.and the poor, bankers, and the young unemployed. As the Lords
:02:09. > :02:14.prepares to vote on tough welfare changes, is this really a fairer
:02:14. > :02:17.country? As the Arab League meets to discuss the ongoing crisis in
:02:17. > :02:20.Syria, where there have been reports of army deserters briefly
:02:20. > :02:24.seizing one town, I'll be joined live by our Middle East Editor,
:02:24. > :02:28.Jeremy Bowen, who's managed to get into Damascus. And I'll be
:02:28. > :02:30.discussing the world financial crisis as seen by Hollywood. Its
:02:30. > :02:33.treatment of Wall Street has frequently shown admiration for the
:02:33. > :02:36.Masters of the Universe. Those big bankers with giant egos and
:02:36. > :02:43.salaries to match. All that has changed with what many are calling
:02:43. > :02:46.the best film about the financial meltdown. I'll be talking later to
:02:46. > :02:52.Jeremy Irons, one of the villains of Margin Call, and one of our
:02:52. > :02:56.finest actors. And speaking of stars, here's a new one.
:02:56. > :02:59.# I wait with good intentions... There will be music from a singer-
:02:59. > :03:03.songwriter tipped for greatness. The woman who everyone from music
:03:03. > :03:09.critics to Madonna have hailed as a key talent of 2012, Emili Sande.
:03:09. > :03:12.But before all of that, the news Good morning. The government's
:03:12. > :03:17.controversial plans to reform the NHS in England are expected to come
:03:17. > :03:20.in for criticism this week in a report by senior MPs. The Commons
:03:20. > :03:22.Health Select Committee, which is led by a Conservative and has a
:03:22. > :03:25.majority of coalition MPs, is likely to attack Health Secretary
:03:25. > :03:32.Andrew Lansley's strategy of trying to save billions of pounds while
:03:32. > :03:35.attempting to carry out a major overhaul of the service.
:03:35. > :03:37.The battle to find a Republican presidential candidate in the
:03:37. > :03:43.United States has been turned upside down, after Newt Gingrich
:03:43. > :03:45.triumphed in the key South Carolina primary. The former Speaker of the
:03:45. > :03:54.House of Representatives pulled off a surprise victory over one time
:03:54. > :03:58.frontrunner Mitt Romney. We proved here in South Carolina at that
:03:58. > :04:02.people power with the right ideas be to big money and we are going to
:04:02. > :04:04.prove it again in Florida. Thank you and good luck.
:04:04. > :04:07.Here, the Communities Secretary, Eric Pickles, says councillors have
:04:07. > :04:11.a moral duty to sign up to the Government's council tax freeze,
:04:11. > :04:14.and he's offering them funding to do so. Mr Pickles says more than
:04:14. > :04:18.140 local authorities in England have so far agreed not to put up
:04:18. > :04:22.bills. But a number of councils have rejected the offer, saying
:04:23. > :04:25.they need to protect services after government budget cuts.
:04:25. > :04:28.Activists in Syria say army deserters took control of much of
:04:28. > :04:33.the Damascus suburb of Douma last night after hours of fierce
:04:33. > :04:38.fighting. It was the first time the rebels had attempted such a large-
:04:38. > :04:40.scale operation. They were later reported to have withdrawn from the
:04:40. > :04:45.area, fearing a heavy reprisal attack from the Syrian security
:04:45. > :04:47.forces. Arab League foreign ministers are meeting in Cairo this
:04:47. > :04:50.morning to decide whether to continue with their monitoring
:04:50. > :04:53.mission in Syria. A 16-year-old Dutch girl, Laura
:04:53. > :04:59.Dekker, has become the youngest person to sail round the world
:04:59. > :05:04.single-handed. Laura arrived back in the Caribbean island of Saint
:05:04. > :05:07.Maarten a year and a day after she set sail in her boat, the Guppy.
:05:07. > :05:13.The Dutch authorities had tried to block her attempt arguing she was
:05:13. > :05:18.too young but she went to court to overturn their decision. Of course
:05:18. > :05:22.there were moments I was, what the hell am I doing out here? But I
:05:22. > :05:26.never wanted to stop. It's a dream and they wanted to do it.
:05:26. > :05:29.That's all from me for now. I'll be back just before ten o'clock with
:05:29. > :05:32.the headlines. Andrew. Thank you, Susanna. The Arab League
:05:32. > :05:35.is convening a crisis meeting today to discuss the worsening situation
:05:35. > :05:38.in Syria where its mission has hardly checked the violence. And,
:05:38. > :05:42.as we heard in the news, there have been overnight reports of army
:05:42. > :05:46.deserters seizing a town. I'm joined now from the capital,
:05:46. > :05:55.Damascus, by our Middle East Editor, Jeremy Bowen. Jeremy, thanks for
:05:55. > :05:59.joining us. You are in Damascus now. Can I start by asking what the mood
:05:59. > :06:03.is? The Arab League meeting is tomorrow and they seem to have
:06:03. > :06:08.achieved virtually nothing in this mission. The mood, first of all, if
:06:08. > :06:12.you just look down the main street just outside this television studio,
:06:12. > :06:16.you will see people going about their business, and it may look
:06:16. > :06:21.normal, but clearly, it's not normal here because protests go on
:06:21. > :06:26.on a regular basis. You heard about what was happening in Douma, not
:06:26. > :06:32.very far from here at all, last night. There is a great deal of
:06:32. > :06:36.opposition activity around Damascus. That's absolutely for certain. A
:06:36. > :06:42.town half-an-hour's drive up from here, it is in the hands of
:06:42. > :06:45.protesters because the army has pulled out of it. The regime here
:06:45. > :06:51.retains a bedrock of support and it retains a lot of military power as
:06:51. > :07:01.well. I suppose part of the question, is this a regime are
:07:01. > :07:01.
:07:01. > :07:07.clamping down on protests or is this a civil war now? I think there
:07:08. > :07:11.are moments when fighting goes on where you could say in a particular
:07:11. > :07:16.place their his war fighting happening. It is low level because
:07:16. > :07:19.the rebels are armed with low-grade weapons. There is a fear of civil
:07:19. > :07:25.war and that one think people from the Arab League has been talking
:07:25. > :07:28.about as a danger. In their meeting in Cairo, I will be surprised if
:07:28. > :07:33.they do not offer to extend their monitoring mission here because in
:07:33. > :07:40.the absence of any sick of a good activity elsewhere, especially the
:07:40. > :07:44.Security Council, which is divided on the future of President al-Assad,
:07:44. > :07:50.it's the only game in town. Some protesters would say the presence
:07:50. > :07:55.of the monitors, why didn't stop violence, certainly reduced it.
:07:55. > :08:00.Would you argue that one of President al-Assad a's main
:08:00. > :08:08.strengths is widespread fear about what may happen in Syria if he is
:08:08. > :08:13.toppled? I think everybody here has fears about the future. This is not
:08:13. > :08:17.like Libya, where it's quite a homogenous country in terms of the
:08:17. > :08:26.kinds of people there. It is quite diverse, lots of different or
:08:26. > :08:30.religious, ethnic groups, and there is a genuine fear of a sectarian
:08:30. > :08:35.civil war, as a nightmare part of the future. I think people are
:08:35. > :08:40.conscious of that but at the moment it's very much winner-takes-all.
:08:40. > :08:45.From the perceptions of both sides. The regime says, we must hang on at
:08:45. > :08:49.all cost. The protesters say, it's too late to stop, we are continuing
:08:49. > :08:53.until regime falls off there is an absence of a political process to
:08:53. > :08:57.try to find some kind of common way forward. Perhaps there is not a
:08:57. > :09:03.common way forward here. Jeremy, thank you very much indeed from
:09:03. > :09:10.Damascus. Now, on the front pages today. That interesting health
:09:10. > :09:15.story we mentioned in the news is on the front page of the Observer.
:09:15. > :09:22.Scotland on Sunday has Simon Hughes, the Lib Dem deputy leader, calling
:09:22. > :09:25.for an English parliament. Interesting. Another story, Chris
:09:25. > :09:31.Huhne accuses Number Ten of dirty- tricks boss of that is leaking
:09:32. > :09:37.against him. The Mail on Sunday, terror link pilot accuses airline
:09:37. > :09:42.of the racism. This is a story where it is impossible to say what
:09:42. > :09:48.the airline is, or of the name of the pilot. And finally, the Sunday
:09:48. > :09:52.Telegraph, new tax plan for the wealthy, the proposed two million-
:09:52. > :09:55.pound mansion tax. And with me to review the papers are Anna Soubry
:09:56. > :09:59.and Peter Hain. Thank you for joining us. We will start with a
:09:59. > :10:05.health story. The Observer is leading on this critical party
:10:05. > :10:10.report on health, basically saying this reorganisation is a shambles,
:10:10. > :10:15.it's costing �3 billion, nurses are being sacked. I think it is the
:10:15. > :10:23.Achilles heel of this Government. The health service being privatised,
:10:23. > :10:27.and people not getting essential prescriptions and treatment, as a
:10:27. > :10:32.doctor only this week confessed to. You know jolly well it does not
:10:32. > :10:38.mean the NHS is going to get privatise two. No, one of the
:10:38. > :10:43.problems with this debate is this lack of proper information and a
:10:43. > :10:47.spin which is not acceptable for the it's quite complicated and
:10:47. > :10:55.difficult to understand. The very expensive. We could argue about
:10:55. > :11:00.that. The complexity of it, in some ways it is but on the other hand,
:11:00. > :11:07.if you really look into what it's doing, it is abolishing the P C Ts
:11:07. > :11:11.who are accountable to no one. It's the difficulty of bringing in these
:11:11. > :11:14.changes at the same time that we are having to make �20 billion of
:11:14. > :11:21.savings, which is something introduced by the last government
:11:21. > :11:28.at the same time, but it's about the abolition of the PC Ts, and
:11:28. > :11:38.pudding that lack of accountability down to what we now call GPs and
:11:38. > :11:40.
:11:40. > :11:47.nurses, right at the level at the Why are the Royal Colleges, nurses,
:11:47. > :11:54.midwives, doctors, opposed to it? It's not as simple as that. In my
:11:54. > :12:01.constituency, my GP consortia has always been well up for this and
:12:01. > :12:05.when I talked to the City Hospital, who are in a trusted together, what
:12:05. > :12:10.they see to me is it going to be difficult. We are doing it to make
:12:10. > :12:17.sure we have a NHS but the purpose. I'm going to talk more about this
:12:17. > :12:23.with a Nick Clegg. Let's move on to the next story. It is, I think...
:12:23. > :12:32.Bishops have. And other face leaders. Another story is
:12:32. > :12:36.identified. Bishops at war with the coalition, allegedly bought it I
:12:36. > :12:39.have no difficulty with them taking a view on any issue. They are
:12:39. > :12:44.rightly to be concerned about poverty also where I think they
:12:44. > :12:48.have got it terribly wrong, they don't understand that the benefit
:12:48. > :12:52.cap of 26,000, is entirely fair, and it's about trying to move
:12:52. > :12:55.people out of poverty. The Iain Duncan-Smith same, they are
:12:55. > :12:59.forgetting the relatively poor families are paying taxes to fund
:12:59. > :13:04.this. And for people to live in homes they could only imagine in my
:13:04. > :13:09.dreams of being able to live in. I don't think the bishops have
:13:09. > :13:13.understood what this is about. Many of us up, to politics because we
:13:13. > :13:17.care passionately about people who live in deprivation. We want to
:13:17. > :13:20.change that and make everybody's lives better put up it's just the
:13:21. > :13:27.ways that we do it. The bishops are saying this will cause massive
:13:27. > :13:35.homelessness. I don't accept that. Let's move on to another story. Ed
:13:35. > :13:40.Miliband, some terrible polls for him. Low percentages or that the
:13:40. > :13:45.Conservative jumping ahead. That polls suggest David Miliband would
:13:45. > :13:50.be a better leader. There's many polls putting the Tories ahead,
:13:50. > :13:58.another one pudding is a few points ahead. What matters is in the
:13:58. > :14:03.polling booth, -- another one putting us ahead. David Cameron was
:14:03. > :14:07.as unpopular in the ratings, if more so, in his first year of his
:14:07. > :14:11.leadership of the opposition, because it's a tough job. I think
:14:11. > :14:15.he will come through this and his message is actually getting great
:14:15. > :14:19.attraction. The government is trying to clamber on to his
:14:20. > :14:26.territory. Your next story? let's move on quickly from that,
:14:26. > :14:29.shall we? We have two one of the attitude MPs reviewing the paper's
:14:30. > :14:37.author let's go back to the newspapers. Moving swiftly on,
:14:37. > :14:43.America. We thought Mitt Romney was going to take it but Newt Gingrich
:14:43. > :14:46.took it. Even though his ex-wife went for him in public.
:14:46. > :14:52.absolutely went for it, and said, how do you, it's disgraceful, and
:14:52. > :14:57.clearly, that resonated. Maybe it's something we can learn from, to
:14:57. > :15:03.take things on the nose. What he did, he said, this is the liberal
:15:03. > :15:08.media. They are seizing on this issue to attack me because I'm a
:15:08. > :15:11.right of centre voice of the he kind of did that but said, you're
:15:11. > :15:15.giving credibility for something not an issue in this campaign.
:15:15. > :15:24.about various issues of the let's take it away from the personal. I
:15:24. > :15:29.thought was interesting. Also, he is to the right of Mitt Romney, and
:15:29. > :15:35.there is an evangelical right wing. They wouldn't have approved of his
:15:35. > :15:45.private life and all that, but they still voted for him perhaps because
:15:45. > :15:46.
:15:46. > :15:50.Mitt Romney was a Mormon. It's very Islamists in Nigeria and an
:15:50. > :15:57.atrocious set of explosions in northern Nigeria yesterday. It is
:15:57. > :16:01.really worrying. It says 140 people were killed in Kano by the militant
:16:01. > :16:05.Islam group Boko Haram. There's a division in Nigeria between the
:16:05. > :16:10.Muslims in the north mainly and the Christians in the south. It's the
:16:11. > :16:15.biggest population in Africa, 160 million. It has been doing some
:16:15. > :16:20.innovative stuff diplomatically on Syria and Libya, in contrast to my
:16:20. > :16:26.old friend South Africa. Of course. You were African Minister but you
:16:26. > :16:33.were many other things. There's a great picture. This is marvellous
:16:33. > :16:37.stuff. This is you being slung between police officers like a sack
:16:37. > :16:41.of potatoes. Carried out of 10 Downing Street actually. In the
:16:41. > :16:48.days when you were a proper leftie, Peter. In the days when there were
:16:48. > :16:52.no security gates. And this is part of your memoir that you've just
:16:52. > :16:59.produced. It is, yes. And these early days. Extraordinary things
:16:59. > :17:05.happened to you. Hu a bomb, you were -- hu a bomb, you were nearly
:17:05. > :17:13.blown up by a bomb that was sent to your house? I had a letter bomb
:17:13. > :17:18.sent to my house. There was a technical fault in it or I wouldn't
:17:18. > :17:22.be here. And he an extraordinary bank theft trial. Which I remember
:17:22. > :17:28.so well. It is pretty clear that you were set up, that somebody that
:17:28. > :17:33.looked quite like you grabbed money from a bank and ran around the
:17:33. > :17:37.corner. You were innocently driving along and were nabbed. Writing if
:17:37. > :17:41.book has been interesting. It was so surreal, you couldn't imagine it
:17:42. > :17:48.was happening to you. It tell as story of being an outsider like
:17:48. > :17:52.that and becoming an insider. were a real hate figure, a real
:17:52. > :17:57.outsider. Now you are respectable and suited. I don't know about that.
:17:57. > :18:03.Looking at the activists today, the Stop the City people and so on, is
:18:03. > :18:08.there part of thaw says yes, go you, I'm on your side? Yes, there is.
:18:08. > :18:12.When the Occupy people did, that I identified with them. In Government
:18:12. > :18:17.I was always sympathetic, even if I didn't agree, with protesters,
:18:17. > :18:22.because I had been there. Who knows, maybe they are right. Anna, another
:18:22. > :18:26.story from you. This caught me, the Mail on Sunday, about the European
:18:26. > :18:31.Court of human rates. Whilst I believe in a European Court of
:18:31. > :18:34.human rates, the PM is going over to Strasbourg. One of the things he
:18:34. > :18:39.is going to bring up with them is the fact that they need to take
:18:39. > :18:43.into account that not every country is the same. They should reflect
:18:43. > :18:48.more public opinion. So, for example, it might be that in one
:18:48. > :18:52.country you don't have a problem with the level, some would say
:18:52. > :18:56.intrusion, others would say exposure, of people's private lives
:18:56. > :19:00.or public live if they are a public figure. Whereas in another country
:19:00. > :19:05.they would take a different view. You can't have uniform ti, which is
:19:05. > :19:09.one of the problems. You can -- uniformity, which is one of the
:19:09. > :19:13.problems. The problem with the court at the moment is it takes too
:19:13. > :19:18.much of an overblanket on everybody. We have a brilliant House of Lords,
:19:18. > :19:22.a wonderful Court of Appeal, which does all the right things. Too much
:19:22. > :19:26.is going to European level? much is going there. It doesn't
:19:26. > :19:30.take into account that we tend to get things right in this country.
:19:30. > :19:34.I'm not sure we always do. Sometimes things go there because
:19:34. > :19:39.we don't get things right. Die agree with if Prime Minister that
:19:39. > :19:42.the Strasbourg judges meddle far too much. They do. And they don't
:19:42. > :19:47.take account of different things in different countries. We are at one
:19:47. > :19:52.on that. We have to talk about this extraordinary Big Ben story. I
:19:52. > :19:55.thought it is not an April fool is it? This is a Real Story. Our
:19:55. > :20:01.wonderful Houses of Parliament are falling into the river. Apparently
:20:01. > :20:06.it is. I was leader of the Commons once and got an insight into this
:20:06. > :20:10.amazing, antiquated place. They say lit cost about �1 billion to deal
:20:10. > :20:14.with this. They are looking to the Russians and the Chinese to bail us
:20:14. > :20:18.out possibly. Says one report. There is another suggestion that
:20:18. > :20:22.the Speaker might be particularly interested, because Big Ben leens
:20:22. > :20:28.over his apartment and offices. mean he's at risk of falling into
:20:28. > :20:33.the Thames? I don't know about that. It is quite serious. This is one of
:20:33. > :20:38.the most beautiful buildings in the world, I think. It is. And if it is
:20:38. > :20:43.right, it is horrendous. On the other hand these things are often
:20:43. > :20:47.overexaggerated. Let's hope so. Indeed. There's a parking story
:20:47. > :20:50.Anna? This is a story about the number of cities which are
:20:51. > :20:53.introducing Sunday parking charges. It is something close to my
:20:53. > :20:57.constituency in Nottingham, where they've introduced parking charges
:20:57. > :21:03.on a Sunday. That affects my constituents who want to do things
:21:03. > :21:07.like go to church and feel pickled off when they have to pay. Pickled
:21:07. > :21:11.off, that's a good expression. I haven't heard that one before.
:21:11. > :21:18.are less than happy when they are charged effectively to go to church
:21:18. > :21:23.or go shopping on a Sunday. Our cities and towns have to get a grip
:21:23. > :21:28.on this. On the one hand you can't see people should go and shop, but
:21:28. > :21:31.then penalise people for parking in car parks which invariably the
:21:31. > :21:36.council owns. Westminster council is doing that as well. Westminster
:21:36. > :21:39.council have dropped their plans and I wish my Borough Council would
:21:39. > :21:43.revisit our car parking charges, because they are not helping the
:21:44. > :21:49.things we want to do. It is this minutiae which touches on the
:21:49. > :21:54.livelys of real people. From minutiae to a really important
:21:54. > :21:59.issue, I knew if we had Peter Hain on the sofa he would want to raise
:21:59. > :22:05.the Pippa Middleton story, and so he has. This great story in the
:22:05. > :22:12.Mail on Sunday about when Kate was an elf and Pippa was an imp.
:22:12. > :22:19.Apparently Kate earned special prizes for toy making, cooking and
:22:19. > :22:26.house orderly badges. Were you a Brownie? I didn't get any badges. I
:22:26. > :22:33.joined the Guides and they threw me out. My sons were in if Woodcraft
:22:33. > :22:39.folk. They learned to cook lentils. On to the weather. It was blustery
:22:39. > :22:45.yesterday in London but it is fairly mild. Temperatures haven't
:22:45. > :22:49.dipped to what we were expecting. What can we expect for the rest of
:22:49. > :22:53.What can we expect for the rest of the day? Over to Laura Tobin. It is
:22:53. > :22:56.relatively mild outside but breezy conditions will make it feel
:22:56. > :22:59.perhaps a little chilly. We had a weather front this morning pushing
:22:59. > :23:04.through northern England and Scotland. It brought a spell of
:23:04. > :23:08.snow for a time. As it clears, the skies look set to brighten. Gusty
:23:08. > :23:12.winds will continue to push the weather front to the east and feed
:23:12. > :23:16.showers into north western areas. Frequent showers into western
:23:16. > :23:20.Scotland, mostly of rank but sleet and snow across the hills.
:23:20. > :23:25.Sheltered even Scotland and north- east England will be dry but gusty
:23:25. > :23:29.winds of up to 50 mph. North-west England into the Midlands, a few
:23:29. > :23:33.showers here. Most of them light and well scattered. A mild 11
:23:33. > :23:37.degrees today in London with that north-westerly breeze.Ed to south-
:23:37. > :23:43.west of England, perhaps patchy cloud around, but by and large it
:23:43. > :23:46.is looking dry. A dry afternoon in Wales. The far nearest perhaps
:23:46. > :23:49.picking up one or two scattered showers. Northern Ireland, set fair
:23:49. > :23:54.this afternoon. Bright and breezy. Highs of 8.
:23:54. > :23:59.Into Monday, it is looking drier and brighter. A better chance of
:23:59. > :24:02.sunshine. Lighter winds but a chilly start. Make the most of the
:24:02. > :24:05.beautiful sunshine on Monday, because by Tuesday it is turning
:24:05. > :24:13.because by Tuesday it is turning much wetter. Back to you, Andrew.
:24:13. > :24:16.We will, Laura. Now, few actors are as skilled as
:24:16. > :24:18.Jeremy Irons when it comes to exploring the dark side of human
:24:18. > :24:20.nature. Ever since his Oscar- winning performance in Reversal Of
:24:20. > :24:24.Fortune, he's often played characters who reek of brimstone.
:24:24. > :24:27.In the hit TV series The Borgias, he steals scenes as a hypnotic Pope.
:24:27. > :24:29.In cinemas now, Jeremy Irons' new film, Margin Call, has been getting
:24:29. > :24:31.cracking reviews. His character, a billionaire boss, doesn't quite
:24:31. > :24:40.practise what you'd call responsible capitalism when his
:24:40. > :24:48.company's fortunes begin to plunge. That loss would be greater than the
:24:48. > :24:56.current market capitalisation of this entire company. So. What you
:24:56. > :25:01.are telling me is that music is about to stop and we are going to
:25:01. > :25:11.be left holding the biggest beg of odorous excrement ever assembled in
:25:11. > :25:12.
:25:12. > :25:17.the history of capitalism? Jeremy, that bag is worthless stock that
:25:17. > :25:20.the bank that your character is about to unload to sell on to lots
:25:20. > :25:28.of unsuspecting banks and clients all around the world at that
:25:28. > :25:34.moment? Yes. To try to keep his... This is a CEO of a huge company and
:25:34. > :25:39.he's trying to keep the company afloat. The junk bonds in effect.
:25:39. > :25:47.Yes, but bonds that could improve. So I'm saying to the buyer, this is
:25:47. > :25:51.a risk. Not a great risk but it's a risk. Yes. And this film shot
:25:51. > :25:55.relatively quickly. In fact in the offices of a defunct hedge fund in
:25:55. > :26:00.the middle of New York? Correct, just off broad way. One of the
:26:00. > :26:07.reasons we were able to make it relatively quickly is most of it
:26:07. > :26:14.happens on one set. I think I shot for three days. Nevertheless it is
:26:14. > :26:23.a film which has had amazing success in America. Which is a way
:26:23. > :26:27.of letting the audience understand how this massive mess-up happened.
:26:27. > :26:32.Yes. And it is beautifully timed, of course, but it's also a film
:26:32. > :26:36.which seems to me to get underneath the skin of some of this. Some
:26:36. > :26:43.fascinating discussions about who is really to blame. That's right.
:26:43. > :26:47.Because we've made the bankers the scapegoats. Indeed some bankers
:26:47. > :26:53.were extremely irresponsible with our money, but banking itself can
:26:53. > :26:56.work I think if it is regulated. Everybody is greedy. We went
:26:57. > :27:00.through I think an amazing 15 years where certainly I watched and I
:27:00. > :27:04.thought, this is not possible, this cannot work. I remember my
:27:04. > :27:10.financier saying no, this is the way it works. Capitalism runs on
:27:10. > :27:13.death. That's healthy. Everyone can have bigger houses, everyone can
:27:13. > :27:18.have more... There's a wonderful moment when you are talking to
:27:18. > :27:22.Kevin Spacey's character, who if I may say so is the slightly more
:27:22. > :27:27.decent figure in the office. When did you start feeling so sorry for
:27:27. > :27:31.yourself? It's unbearable. So you think we might have put a few
:27:31. > :27:36.people out of business today. And it is all for nought. But you've
:27:36. > :27:45.been doing that every day for almost 40 years, Sam. And if this
:27:45. > :27:49.is all for nought, so is everything out there. It's just money. It's
:27:49. > :27:54.made up. Pieces of paper with pictures on it so we don't have to
:27:54. > :27:59.kill each other just to get something to eat. And you go
:27:59. > :28:05.through all the financial crises that have happened, the cycles.
:28:05. > :28:10.Making this, did you come away feeling more sympathetic for the
:28:10. > :28:18.moral dilemma that some of the bankers were involved in, or did
:28:18. > :28:23.you feel angrier? I think I came away feeling angrier. I read the
:28:23. > :28:28.big short which educated me into that situation. I just felt we had
:28:28. > :28:34.let it run away in the most irresponsible way. I think three of
:28:34. > :28:40.us are to blame - the Government, banking, and we are to blame. We
:28:40. > :28:46.enjoyed living on interest-free credit, on our cards, please borrow
:28:46. > :28:50.more money, and we allowed ourselves to get into a sort of
:28:50. > :28:55.consumer frenzy. Yes. This belief that buying makes us happier, which
:28:55. > :28:59.we are told our economy demands. Yes. We have to grow our economy 2%
:28:59. > :29:03.every year or whatever. This is not physically possible. We have a
:29:03. > :29:07.world of finite resources. We don't need all this stuff, whether it be
:29:07. > :29:11.new motor cars or more clothes. I believe we have to find a way to
:29:11. > :29:19.run our economy so that it is balanced, so that it is level.
:29:19. > :29:23.Spread out the money a bit and stop this wild consumer frenzy. And now
:29:23. > :29:28.we hear politicians saying, if we can get people buying again we'll
:29:28. > :29:32.be alright. What! Buying again is what got introduce this state. We
:29:33. > :29:36.have to completely readdress how we run our finances. This is a
:29:36. > :29:43.fascinating moment of change or failure to change for our whole
:29:43. > :29:50.society. It's a huge revolution we are going through. Talking of
:29:50. > :29:54.excess and consumer behaviour, The Borgias. There are actors who say I
:29:54. > :29:59.just do the television to keep myself in money, films that I care
:29:59. > :30:04.about, but you are proud of The Borgias aren't you? I am. This is
:30:04. > :30:07.basically an American show, Show Time. What we are seeing in
:30:07. > :30:11.American is television series have taken over from what I call the
:30:11. > :30:17.artistic films that I used to make, the films with a moderate budget.
:30:17. > :30:24.No longer are able to get financed. That work and the factors who
:30:24. > :30:27.worked this those, Dustin Hoffman is about to open in a new series in
:30:27. > :30:37.America. We are all doing it because that's where the writing is
:30:37. > :30:38.
:30:38. > :30:44.And very briefly, you also doing Henry the 4th for the BBC. They are
:30:44. > :30:48.doing Richard the second, Henry the 4th, and Henry the Fifth, a
:30:48. > :30:52.wonderful historical cycle, and I'm delighted to have a go at it.
:30:52. > :30:56.Fabulous. We hope to see you again at the end of the show but for now,
:30:56. > :30:59.thank you very much indeed. Let's just get a glimpse of Jeremy Irons
:30:59. > :31:05.as Pope Alexander in the Borgias. It's back on Sky Atlantic later
:31:05. > :31:11.this year. I need your further assurances, he
:31:11. > :31:21.and another cousin, the Duke of Milan, will be constant in their
:31:21. > :31:24.
:31:24. > :31:32.support for our papacy. We have merged our fortunes with our name.
:31:32. > :31:36.The consequence of that trust been betrayed would be most severe.
:31:36. > :31:39.rather stern as a warning about trust from the Pope there. And I'm
:31:39. > :31:43.joined now by the Deputy Prime Minister and leader of the Liberal
:31:43. > :31:48.Democrats, Nick Clegg. Thank you for joining us. In your new year
:31:48. > :31:57.message you talk about fairness. And the importance of building a
:31:57. > :32:01.fare economy. What is it about this 500 and benefit which is fair,
:32:01. > :32:04.being discussed tomorrow in the House of Lords? There's a lot of
:32:04. > :32:09.quite poor families and young people who were going to be put
:32:09. > :32:19.into a very difficult situation. The central argument, which I fully
:32:19. > :32:24.support completely, is to say, it can't be fair that you can be
:32:24. > :32:29.earning more on benefits than someone going out earning �35,000,
:32:29. > :32:33.the equivalent if you're to go out and work. Of course we need to look
:32:33. > :32:38.at a transitional arrangements. Iain Duncan-Smith has made it clear
:32:38. > :32:47.we need to do that. The place of children born innocently into
:32:47. > :32:53.another set of rules, but the basic principle, 500 pound Cup, -- cap,
:32:53. > :32:57.so you can't, on benefits, in more than you would if you worked. That
:32:57. > :33:02.has got to be a simple principle most people would subscribe to
:33:02. > :33:07.Can you do more as a government for a very large number of young people
:33:07. > :33:13.caught in this and will be in difficulty? This apocalyptic
:33:13. > :33:17.predictions been made about what will happen, but I don't agree with.
:33:17. > :33:20.Some coming from the Department of work and pensions. The we don't
:33:20. > :33:25.recognise this also they will not be mass homelessness. We won't
:33:25. > :33:32.allow that to happen. We are saying, in general terms, about the welfare
:33:32. > :33:37.system, under Labour, it's an important point, because the
:33:37. > :33:42.country as a whole must feel they can support a welfare system upon
:33:42. > :33:52.which, by the way, if you include pensions, we have spent �200
:33:52. > :33:53.
:33:53. > :33:59.billion, which everyone believes is fair. The cap is crucial for so
:33:59. > :34:04.increasing the incentive to work. Could you not put a child benefit
:34:04. > :34:08.in that? A if you did that, it wouldn't make much sense to have a
:34:08. > :34:12.cup at all. Highly unlikely we would do that. It wouldn't make
:34:13. > :34:15.much sense bought up Iain Duncan- Smith has said we will look at the
:34:16. > :34:21.transitional arrangements are also a lot of it has not been resolved
:34:21. > :34:27.yet, but the central principle, you can't on benefits in more money
:34:27. > :34:31.than you would if you went out and earned �35,000 before tax, is one
:34:31. > :34:40.that most people recognise as a good thing in the context of a very
:34:40. > :34:44.major reform of welfare which we support. We believe it is better to
:34:44. > :34:48.give people incentives to work and work should always pay. What would
:34:48. > :34:55.have saved for the legacy of the coalition if, at the next election,
:34:55. > :34:58.we still have more than one million young people unemployed? Many of
:34:58. > :35:03.them having their entire lives ruined because they were never had
:35:03. > :35:09.the experience of work and they will be wasted. It's the biggest
:35:09. > :35:14.issue which faces as as a society, and by the way, one which confronts
:35:14. > :35:20.all developed economies in this difficult time. There have been
:35:20. > :35:25.long-term youth unemployment for some time, remorselessly increasing
:35:25. > :35:30.since the 2004. Even in the good times, there was a problem that
:35:30. > :35:34.employers were passing of the young people in favour of others.
:35:34. > :35:38.have to do more about it than you are doing at the moment. Yes, but
:35:38. > :35:43.in November, I announced from April this year we are starting a youth
:35:43. > :35:49.contract, �1 billion we have put towards it, which gives every
:35:49. > :35:54.single 18-24-year-old the opportunity to learn. By way of
:35:54. > :36:03.comparison, Labour's own plans for job creation for only 90,000
:36:03. > :36:09.youngsters. We will benefit close to half a million. It is a very
:36:09. > :36:12.ambitious programme to dip every single 18-24-year-old the chance to
:36:12. > :36:19.undertake work experience or subsidised employment or an
:36:19. > :36:24.apprenticeship. It's a huge issue. There will be lower youth
:36:24. > :36:28.unemployment by the time of the next election as a result of this?
:36:28. > :36:32.We are straining every sinew to make sure we get people out of this
:36:32. > :36:37.debilitating condition where they are sitting at home, sending out
:36:37. > :36:43.application forms, not getting replies, because of that long term
:36:43. > :36:47.scarring effect on them... And you, as that coalition government will
:36:47. > :36:56.have failed at the next election if you haven't got unemployment down.
:36:56. > :36:59.The it's a collective failure. I'm not making a numerical predictions.
:36:59. > :37:04.What I'm saying to you, it is something I pushed through
:37:04. > :37:10.government, we are implementing the most ambitious programme to deal
:37:10. > :37:14.with this. Far more ambitious than the opposition. There is, as you
:37:14. > :37:21.know, a lot of criticism about the overall balance in the way these
:37:21. > :37:26.things are funded. The IFS, which is hardly a wild left-wing body,
:37:26. > :37:30.says the Budget changes overall where a take away from families
:37:30. > :37:36.with children and a giveaway to people further up the income scale.
:37:36. > :37:42.I challenge you, this is not fair. One of the building blocks of
:37:42. > :37:47.building a fare economy, out of the rubble we inherited because of a
:37:47. > :37:49.crash, firstly it is the first thing to do to try to clear the
:37:49. > :37:56.debts for the next generation so they don't have to pay off our
:37:56. > :38:01.debts. Otherwise you unfairly impose a burden on the next
:38:01. > :38:06.generation. Secondly, you have got to rebalance the economy away from
:38:06. > :38:11.London, sought out the banking system and executive pay. The third
:38:11. > :38:19.thing, where I think we need to be bolder, make sure the tax system is
:38:19. > :38:25.fair and make sure we really to alleviate the burden of taxation.
:38:25. > :38:30.What is fair about the IFS analysis? It ignores the fact that
:38:30. > :38:34.we have a policy of a people premium, �2.5 billion of additional
:38:34. > :38:39.money to help children in deprived areas for the they were talking but
:38:39. > :38:43.the overall effect of tax and benefit changes. That's not the way
:38:43. > :38:53.people live their lives. That analysis overlooked the fact that
:38:53. > :38:57.for the first time ever, every two year-old from every deprived family
:38:57. > :39:02.in this country will receive 15 hours of free pre-school support
:39:02. > :39:12.for the you should ignore these things. These are major changes.
:39:12. > :39:16.This issue of promoting fairness at a time of austerity is the big
:39:16. > :39:22.question facing every party, not just in Britain but across the
:39:22. > :39:25.developed world, and what is so extraordinary, Labour, it has
:39:25. > :39:30.completely ducked out of that debate. It's not offering anything
:39:30. > :39:33.to millions of people in the centre ground of Britain, who want
:39:33. > :39:40.politicians who combine credibility on the economy and compassion and
:39:40. > :39:48.fairness. Fairness at the other end of the scale, storied today that
:39:48. > :39:51.the mansion tax, on houses worth more than �2 million, is being
:39:51. > :39:57.seriously considered. We thought the Conservatives would say no to
:39:57. > :40:01.this. Is it a real goer now? newspapers have said this morning,
:40:01. > :40:06.they had restated the obvious, something in the Lib Dem manifesto,
:40:06. > :40:10.we think it part of a patchwork measures which would, over time,
:40:10. > :40:14.make the tax system fair, because it would be asking people with
:40:14. > :40:21.considerable wealth to make a greater contribution and then allow
:40:21. > :40:25.us to use the money, this is the key but, by the way, we are not
:40:25. > :40:33.interested in wealth taxes for the hell of it, but we want to generate
:40:33. > :40:38.the revenue so we can alleviate taxes. OK, my question is different.
:40:38. > :40:44.Is this the real question it will it happen? Are you winning over
:40:44. > :40:49.Conservative supporters to support this? I think we are winning the
:40:49. > :40:54.argument that we need to be bolder on making the tax system fairer. On
:40:54. > :40:59.that, I think there is a widespread recognition. Many people, hard-
:40:59. > :41:02.working families, have had to face higher inflation over the last year,
:41:02. > :41:06.and are struggling to pay the weekly bills, and it's crucial that
:41:06. > :41:10.what we put at the forefront of our effort is to make sure the tax
:41:10. > :41:15.system works for them for so I want this government to be absolutely
:41:15. > :41:19.rooted in the central ground on that side of hard-working families
:41:20. > :41:23.and that should be reflected in the tax system. It shouldn't be
:41:23. > :41:27.constantly catering for a very small fraction of people at the top
:41:27. > :41:37.but should be standing up for the vast majority. In the context of
:41:37. > :41:37.
:41:37. > :41:44.that, we own the Royal Bank of Scotland, and, given that, can you
:41:45. > :41:49.ensure that it took executive will not get a one. Million pound bonus
:41:49. > :41:52.when the bank's performance is has been bad for the it was left up to
:41:52. > :42:00.people watching this programme, me and you, we would not have bonuses
:42:00. > :42:03.for state owned banks while they are being repaired. In a
:42:03. > :42:07.spectacular example of irresponsible capitalism, the last
:42:07. > :42:10.government not only left to the banks get away with blue murder,
:42:10. > :42:14.but then entered into contracts with them which allowed them to
:42:14. > :42:19.continue to pay themselves large bonuses. I don't like it but we are
:42:19. > :42:25.constrained by those contractual obligations. The this nothing you
:42:25. > :42:32.can do to stop it? Yes, we are saying there is a strict limit on
:42:32. > :42:35.the cash bonuses they can receive, �2,000 only. In RBS and other bank,
:42:35. > :42:38.bonus board has got to be considerably lower than it was last
:42:38. > :42:42.year thought of by the way, the Bank of England, the Financial
:42:42. > :42:45.Services Authority are saying exactly the same thing because any
:42:45. > :42:52.money which is that there should be used to repair the bank's balance
:42:52. > :43:01.sheet. Let's be clear about this. If next week or the week after we
:43:01. > :43:10.pick of a newspaper headline and it says Bank owned up to get �2
:43:10. > :43:16.billion -- bank owner to get �2 million,... That is speculation.
:43:16. > :43:23.There has been no decision on RBS bonuses. To be clear, if that
:43:23. > :43:27.happened, you, as a government, can do nothing about it. No, you asking
:43:27. > :43:31.me about a hypothetical outcome I don't believe there will arise
:43:31. > :43:36.because we have been clear that, before those negotiations take
:43:36. > :43:40.place, we want to see lower bonuses, more money put into repairing the
:43:41. > :43:45.balance sheet, and much lower bonuses than last year. The you
:43:45. > :43:51.would be outraged if that happened? The if there was no change in the
:43:51. > :43:55.bonus behaviour last year compared to this year, but it won't happen.
:43:55. > :44:05.Another big story today, it sounds like a blistering report from the
:44:05. > :44:07.
:44:07. > :44:11.Health Select Committee about the What they are saying, these health
:44:11. > :44:17.reforms are not worth it, they are diverting the NHS from the business
:44:17. > :44:23.of making savings and improving patient care. Isn't this a reform
:44:23. > :44:28.which simply isn't worth the cap? haven't seen the report. The report
:44:28. > :44:32.suggests what they are focusing on, which is entirely legitimate, if
:44:32. > :44:37.that interaction between the reforms and be �20 million worth of
:44:37. > :44:42.savings which the last government insisted the NHS should make, they
:44:42. > :44:47.seem to be floating this idea of greater integration between social
:44:47. > :44:52.care and health care. Something I always believed was a good thing.
:44:52. > :44:56.We can always do more, but firstly, we have gone a long way to allay
:44:56. > :45:01.the concerns that people have about the original blueprint of the
:45:01. > :45:06.reforms and said there would be no privatisation of the NHS by the
:45:06. > :45:10.backdoor. We put competition back in its box. We made sure there is
:45:10. > :45:14.accountability. People should not think the best way to cherish and
:45:14. > :45:22.preserve everything we love about the NHS is somehow to freeze it.
:45:22. > :45:27.And it will be OK. Having said that, let me turn it around. Given that
:45:27. > :45:31.that all the royal colleges are against this, and virtually every
:45:31. > :45:37.health expert is against these changes, the House of Lords at the
:45:37. > :45:40.moment, what is so great, so important about this legislation
:45:40. > :45:49.that it is worth spending so much political capital forcing it
:45:49. > :45:55.The people, who should have a greater role in the NHS about you
:45:56. > :46:01.and I should be people who know a thing or two about patients. That
:46:01. > :46:05.seems to be a simple, common sense new reform. Give more authority
:46:05. > :46:09.about how money sloshes around the system to people who know patients
:46:09. > :46:13.best. That is the simple, animating force behind the reforms. Yes,
:46:13. > :46:17.there's a lot of complexity. Of course there is controversy. No-one
:46:17. > :46:22.likes change in something we all cherish and lover as much as the
:46:22. > :46:28.NHS. The committee is led by a former Conservative Health
:46:28. > :46:31.Secretary, are you not saying this will have to be looked at again.
:46:31. > :46:35.Like all Select Committee reports, we will look at it. There's a
:46:35. > :46:39.legitimate question about how you conduct reform when at the same
:46:39. > :46:43.time you are making savings. Our view is that these reforms, by
:46:43. > :46:47.making people on the front line more responsible for the use of the
:46:47. > :46:51.money will help, not hinder it. are open to rethinking? Look, can I
:46:51. > :46:55.only go by what I read in the papers. If one of the ideas is we
:46:55. > :46:59.should seek to do more to integrate social care and healthcare I think
:46:59. > :47:04.most people... The burden of this is they don't like the reforms, as
:47:04. > :47:08.you no. We are reading different reports. Let's wait until we see
:47:08. > :47:12.what the report says. No-one should believe we are helping the NHS by
:47:12. > :47:15.sticking our head in the sand and saying no change. When you've got
:47:15. > :47:20.an ageing population and increasing costs in medical procedures you
:47:20. > :47:25.have to reform things, update things precisely to preserve what's
:47:25. > :47:29.best about the NHS. Let's move on the other issues, if we may. Are
:47:29. > :47:33.you against or in favour of a new airport for the South East?
:47:33. > :47:39.totally unpersuaded by the evidence. I think we should take a common
:47:39. > :47:43.sense, hard-headed look at the facts. I don't think we should as a
:47:43. > :47:47.country decide to concrete over vast swathes of the Thames estuary
:47:47. > :47:50.on a whim. Let's look at the problem. That's why we are going to
:47:50. > :47:54.issue a document in March for consultation on people's views.
:47:54. > :47:58.There is an issue about what we do with our airports, particularly in
:47:58. > :48:03.the South East. We have four big airports around London, three of
:48:03. > :48:08.which aren't even being used to capacity yet. Call me old-fashioned
:48:08. > :48:13.but it seems to me you should look at things like that instead of
:48:13. > :48:19.something which wouldn't be built for another decade-and-a-half.
:48:19. > :48:23.you are opposed until you are persuaded otherwise? I am opposed.
:48:23. > :48:27.Let's look at the facts and not simply lurch from one big project
:48:27. > :48:32.to the next. If a member of the Government is charged with a
:48:32. > :48:37.criminal offence, do they have to resign? Of course, that's a very
:48:37. > :48:42.serious issue should that arise. I know you are alluding to Chris
:48:42. > :48:47.Huhne. He is crystal clear he denies any wrongdoing. He said that
:48:47. > :48:51.to me and publicly. I'm not going to provide a running commentary
:48:51. > :48:55.without knowing what the CPS is going to do. One thing you could,
:48:56. > :48:58.if I may say, provide a commentary on is whether somebody in the event
:48:58. > :49:02.of being charged with a criminal offence they have to leave the
:49:02. > :49:06.Government. I don't think the Ministerial Code says that in black
:49:06. > :49:08.and white. Obviously the Cabinet Secretary is the arbiter of these
:49:08. > :49:13.things, can provide advice to the Prime Minister and myself and
:49:13. > :49:16.others would need to take a view. But we as a Government wants the
:49:16. > :49:22.highest standards of probity to be in place in everything that is done
:49:22. > :49:25.by Cabinet members. That's why I've increased dramatically the
:49:25. > :49:29.transparency about what Cabinet members and members of the
:49:29. > :49:32.Government do and who they meet and so on. You couldn't have a trial
:49:32. > :49:38.going on and them being in Government at the same time, could
:49:39. > :49:42.you? If you don't mind, anything I say will be wildly intered. Chris
:49:42. > :49:48.Huhne denies wrongdoing and the wheels of justice should take their
:49:48. > :49:56.own course. By the by, would you like to see David Laws back? Has he
:49:57. > :50:02.done his time. I would like to see David back. It would be good for
:50:02. > :50:08.the Government and for Britain. He's got one of the most amazing
:50:08. > :50:12.minds in the Government. Do you agree with Simon Hughes? I don't.
:50:12. > :50:16.Simon has had views on this. Do you think the English are
:50:16. > :50:18.underrepresented in the system? When the central argument is about
:50:18. > :50:23.the wisdom of wrenching Scotland out of the United Kingdom, let's
:50:23. > :50:27.focus on that debate and get the SNP to provide basic answers to
:50:27. > :50:33.some pretty basic... You would have thought for a party whose whole
:50:33. > :50:38.sole purpose in life is to advocate independence they would be able to
:50:38. > :50:41.provide information in on what it mean force defence, the currency.
:50:41. > :50:46.There's a proposal floating around under which Britain would provide
:50:46. > :50:49.more money for the IMF bail-out fund for the euro. Is that
:50:49. > :50:55.something we ought to do as a country? We ought to and the
:50:55. > :51:02.Chancellor was clear about this, we must always be strong supporters of
:51:02. > :51:08.the IMF. It was linchpin, in many ways it was part of the creation of
:51:08. > :51:13.the Bretton Woods system. A system of creating stability. So we will
:51:13. > :51:19.contribute more if asked? We will always make a fair contribution
:51:19. > :51:22.when the IMF shows those are necessary. Last time we spoke you
:51:22. > :51:27.said you would have to work hard to make sure Britain is still inside
:51:27. > :51:31.European tent. How is it going? Considerable effort has been put in
:51:31. > :51:34.by me and the Prime Minister, working together, notwithstanding
:51:34. > :51:40.what happened last year in early December, on the crucial question
:51:40. > :51:44.of how you create growth and jobs, deepening the single market, making
:51:44. > :51:47.it easier for businesses to work across borders in the European
:51:47. > :51:51.Union. We are working hard and finding strong alliances with
:51:51. > :51:56.Germany. I've had meetings and conversations with a range of
:51:56. > :52:02.leaders of Governments, the Italians... Lots ofing and making
:52:03. > :52:08.up? Hang on, it leads to important decisions at the next summit to
:52:08. > :52:13.make sure we create more jobs and prosperity in Europe. Austerity
:52:13. > :52:15.alone won't get Europe out of its difficulties. Nick Clegg, thank you.
:52:15. > :52:18.Now over to Susanna for the news headlines.
:52:18. > :52:21.The Government's controversial plans to reform the NHS in England
:52:21. > :52:24.are expected to come in for criticism this week in a report by
:52:24. > :52:27.senior MPs. The Commons Health Select Committee, which is led by a
:52:27. > :52:29.Conservative and has a majority of coalition MPs, is likely to attack
:52:30. > :52:36.Health Secretary Andrew Lansley's strategy of trying to save billions
:52:36. > :52:39.of pounds while attempting to carry out a major overhaul of the service.
:52:39. > :52:44.In America is battle to find a Republican presidential candidate
:52:44. > :52:49.has been turned up side down as Newt Gingrich triumphed in the key
:52:49. > :52:52.south Carolina primary. The former speaker of the House of
:52:52. > :52:55.Representatives pulled off a surprise victory over the one-time
:52:55. > :53:00.frontrunner Mitt Romney. Mr Gingrich won 40 % of the vote
:53:00. > :53:03.compared with 28% for Mr Romney. That's all from me. The next news
:53:03. > :53:09.on BBC One is at midday. Back to Andrew in a moment, but first a
:53:09. > :53:15.look at what's coming up after this programme. We've been occupyed this
:53:15. > :53:21.morning, members of the camp at St Paul's are here to debate do we
:53:21. > :53:31.need to protect the right to proposal. And we'll talk about
:53:31. > :53:36.abstinence in teenagers. Join us after the programme. We've got the
:53:36. > :53:46.newest BRIT Award songwriter and name of the moment, Emeli Sande.
:53:46. > :53:46.
:53:46. > :53:52.Hello. You grew up in a small village in Aberdeenshire. Yes.
:53:52. > :53:57.your father is a teacher, so big on education. And you are a medical
:53:57. > :54:03.neuroscientist, is that right? studied medicine in Glasgow
:54:03. > :54:08.University. I did a degree in clinical neuroscience, so yeah.
:54:08. > :54:12.not sure how that relates to song writing. You've written a lot of
:54:12. > :54:17.songs for other people successfully and now you're hitting the top of
:54:17. > :54:25.the charts with your new single, Heaven. You are going to tell us a
:54:25. > :54:29.little bit about that? Yes, Heaven was released last year it was my
:54:29. > :54:33.debut single, my breakthrough song which introduced me to the world. A
:54:33. > :54:39.very special song to me and I'm looking forward to performing it.
:54:39. > :54:45.It is quite rare to hear an acoustic version. We'll let you go
:54:45. > :54:49.and prepare for that. Thank you Emeli.
:54:50. > :54:54.Jeremy Irons, we were talking about responsible capitalism. You've made
:54:54. > :54:59.this very good film. It looked extremely sinister. What would you
:54:59. > :55:04.like to see Nick Clegg and his colleagues doing further to start
:55:04. > :55:10.to right the imbalance that you were talking about? Everything you
:55:10. > :55:13.are talking about seems right. I see you are slightly screwed with
:55:13. > :55:16.these bonuses. I think people taking bonuss have to be very
:55:16. > :55:21.careful, because there are an awful lot of people hurting at the bottom
:55:21. > :55:28.of the chain. I think it is just bad manners last year that the
:55:28. > :55:33.bonuses I thought were a slap in the face for a lot of people.
:55:33. > :55:38.manners. It is a slap in the face to people working hard to get by.
:55:38. > :55:43.Social unrest is a real problem when the economy's in the state it
:55:43. > :55:46.is in. It doesn't help reading these figures, it really doesn't.
:55:46. > :55:51.What about putting employee representatives on remuneration
:55:51. > :55:55.that. Seems fair to a lot of people. On that proposal Vince Cable will
:55:55. > :56:01.be saying something about nilt a few days. The principle of jetting
:56:01. > :56:06.employees involved in what I call the John Lewis-style economy, the
:56:06. > :56:09.old -liberal idea has really come back again. How did you make it
:56:09. > :56:14.happen? Jeremy Irons is talking about the importance of making
:56:14. > :56:19.these things happen. In the summer I hope to be able to announce
:56:19. > :56:23.simple, practical steps about how more employees can have a share in
:56:23. > :56:26.the company where is they work. is also a clever way to run an
:56:26. > :56:29.economy. The young people, the people having trouble finding jobs,
:56:29. > :56:33.they are the people with new ideas. We were asking the people who
:56:33. > :56:39.created the situation to sort it out. But in fact we need the young
:56:39. > :56:43.people with new ideas to look and see how we can create a balanced
:56:43. > :56:46.economy in future. Thanks to all my guests. Join me
:56:46. > :56:54.again next Sunday at 9.00am here on BBC One. Until then, we leave you
:56:55. > :57:01.with Emeli Sande and Heaven. # Will you recognise me
:57:01. > :57:09.# In the flashing lights # I try to keep my heart clean
:57:09. > :57:16.# But I can't get it right # Will you recognise me
:57:16. > :57:24.# When I'm lying on my back # Something's gone inside me
:57:24. > :57:32.# And I can't get it back # Oh Heaven, oh Heaven
:57:32. > :57:37.# I wait with good intentions # But the day, it always lasts too
:57:37. > :57:43.long # Then I'm gone
:57:43. > :57:48.# Oh, heaven, oh, heaven # I wait with good intentions
:57:48. > :57:58.# But the day, it always lasts too Longbridge
:57:58. > :58:00.
:58:00. > :58:10.Then I'm gone, then I'm gone # Then I'm gone
:58:10. > :58:12.
:58:12. > :58:19.# Then I'm gone oh Heaven, oh Heaven
:58:19. > :58:27.# I wait with good intentions # Oh Heaven, over Heaven
:58:27. > :58:35.# I wait with good intentions # Oh Heaven, oh Heaven
:58:35. > :58:40.# I wait with good intentions # You say that you will wait
:58:41. > :58:50.# But the day it always lasts too long
:58:51. > :58:58.