:00:36. > :00:42.Good morning. Later today, a knife- edge and absolutely critical vote
:00:42. > :00:47.in Greece on the horrible austerity measures they are faced with. It's
:00:47. > :00:50.part of the euro crisis which could still roll across this country too.
:00:50. > :00:53.And I thought a useful if measured warning from the right-wing leader
:00:53. > :00:56.of one of the Greek coalition parties this week: austerity
:00:57. > :01:00.measures are like shoes that are too tight. Sooner or later you want
:01:00. > :01:03.to kick them off. Angela Merkel, you have been warned.
:01:03. > :01:06.Joining me this morning for our review of the Sunday papers, the
:01:06. > :01:09.Daily Mail columnist Amanda Platell, and the Lib Dem deputy leader,
:01:09. > :01:19.Simon Hughes, a victim of phone hacking. He accepted �45,000 in
:01:19. > :01:23.
:01:23. > :01:26.damages last week from News International.
:01:26. > :01:29.And it is clear the phone hacking saga still has a long way to run.
:01:29. > :01:31.Yesterday's arrests of Sun journalists, and others, shows the
:01:31. > :01:40.police investigation into media and police corruption is widening its
:01:40. > :01:43.net. And yet in this country we have come to rely on a free and
:01:43. > :01:46.viable press to tell truth to power, hold politicians to account. So is
:01:46. > :01:49.this crisis now threatening an important part of our democracy? I
:01:49. > :01:52.will be talking about the future of the press with Jeremy Hunt, the
:01:52. > :01:55.Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport, He is also, we
:01:55. > :01:58.read, having a summit this week with David Cameron to talk about
:01:58. > :02:00.racism in football, so we will hear too, perhaps, about his views on
:02:00. > :02:02.the Terry, Rednapp and England problems.
:02:02. > :02:05.Then there is the big government controversy of the week, the
:02:05. > :02:07.troubled health reforms which Labour is determined to kill off.
:02:07. > :02:10.I'll be discussing the opposition's tactics with the Shadow Health
:02:10. > :02:13.Secretary, Andy Burnham, and asking how he would achieve the savings
:02:13. > :02:15.and improvements which everyone agrees the NHS needs to make.
:02:15. > :02:19.Also this morning, as the bloodbath continues in Syria, Turkey is
:02:19. > :02:21.stepping up to try to take the lead in a new diplomatic push. Turkey's
:02:21. > :02:23.ambassador here, Unal Cevikoz is with us.
:02:23. > :02:25.And looking ahead to tonight's BAFTAs, the world's most popular
:02:25. > :02:28.male actor, George Clooney, director and political activist,
:02:28. > :02:31.too. He'll be talking about his latest film, The State Of America
:02:31. > :02:32.and his friend President Obama. Finally, some music from another
:02:32. > :02:38.very political artist, the wonderful Irish singer-songwriter
:02:38. > :02:43.Christy Moore. So let's crack on with the news,
:02:43. > :02:46.from Sally Nugent. Good morning. The American singer
:02:46. > :02:53.and actress Whitney Houston has died in Los Angeles at the age of
:02:53. > :02:56.48. Police say she was found yesterday in her hotel room at the
:02:56. > :03:06.Beverly Hilton where she had been staying as a guest ahead of
:03:06. > :03:07.
:03:07. > :03:12.tonight's Grammy awards ceremony. She was one of music's greatest
:03:12. > :03:19.performers. Whitney Houston seemed to have it all, an amazing voice,
:03:19. > :03:25.stunning good looks and hit after hit in the 1980s and 1990s. But her
:03:25. > :03:30.life had fallen apart three years of drug abuse. When officers
:03:30. > :03:37.arrived in the hotel room on the 4th floor, the fire department and
:03:37. > :03:42.hotel security were attempting resuscitation measures. At 3:55pm
:03:42. > :03:50.this afternoon, Whitney Houston was pronounced dead. News of her death
:03:50. > :03:55.left fans stunned. She was a massive parties need growing up. I
:03:55. > :04:00.love her music, it was emotional and soulful. I hope she is in a
:04:00. > :04:06.better place. Her mother was also a singer, and her godmother was a
:04:07. > :04:15.wreath at Franklin. She turned herself into a film in at the
:04:15. > :04:22.Bodyguard. The movie's theme song was a power ballad that she sang so
:04:22. > :04:26.well. But her character, as self- obsessed and difficult prima donna
:04:27. > :04:32.was said to be too close to the real Whitney Houston for comfort.
:04:32. > :04:37.She was forced to deny rumours that she was going off the rails.
:04:37. > :04:42.Success turned to tragedy. She married Raj Singh or Bobby Brown.
:04:42. > :04:48.There were stories of rows and family violence. They divorced in
:04:48. > :04:56.2007. And then there were the confessions of drug abuse. Her life
:04:56. > :05:05.appeared to spiral out of control. Her death has left many in the
:05:05. > :05:07.music industry saddened, but not The Prime Minister has expressed
:05:07. > :05:10.strong support for the Health Secretary, Andrew Lansley, after
:05:10. > :05:19.reports that three Cabinet ministers are opposed to some of
:05:19. > :05:22.his proposed changes to the NHS in England. In a Sunday Times article,
:05:22. > :05:24.David Cameron insists that the plans will lead to better treatment
:05:24. > :05:27.for patients. The owner of the Sun newspaper,
:05:27. > :05:33.Rupert Murdoch, has promised that it's not about to close down amid a
:05:33. > :05:36.growing crisis. Five Sun journalists were arrested yesterday
:05:36. > :05:40.and released on bail, as were a serving police officer, an employee
:05:40. > :05:43.at the Ministry of Defence and a member of the armed forces.
:05:43. > :05:45.The Greek Prime Minister has warned of "uncontrolled economic chaos and
:05:45. > :05:51.social explosion" unless the country's MPs approve the latest
:05:51. > :05:54.plan to end the eurozone crisis. The Greek parliament will be asked
:05:54. > :05:57.later today to approve wages and pensions cuts of more than three
:05:57. > :06:02.billion euros in return for a bailout from the European Union and
:06:02. > :06:05.the International Monetary Fund. Yesterday protestors opposed to the
:06:05. > :06:08.austerity measures clashed with riot police in Athens.
:06:08. > :06:14.Arab foreign ministers are meeting in Cairo later to decide their next
:06:14. > :06:18.steps in response to the crisis in Syria. They are expected to discuss
:06:18. > :06:23.setting up a joint Arab-UN team of observers to be sent to Syria to
:06:23. > :06:26.replace the Arab League mission that was suspended last month.
:06:26. > :06:31.That's all from me, for now. I'll be back just before 10 o'clock with
:06:31. > :06:36.the headlines. Andrew. Thank you, Sally.
:06:36. > :06:45.The Sunday Telegraph, the Treasury rules lead-managed tax breaks. That
:06:45. > :06:51.will annoy a lot of Conservatives. For the Sunday Times, a similar
:06:51. > :06:57.story, years of tax pain for high earners. Also remarkable story
:06:57. > :07:02.about the Osama bin Laden's children. The Independent On Sunday
:07:02. > :07:11.has Rupert Murdoch flies in as the crisis at the San worsens. The
:07:11. > :07:15.Observer has also gone with that story. -- ABTA the Sun newspaper.
:07:15. > :07:19.The Whitney Houston story that we are just hearing about there, it
:07:19. > :07:26.arrived too late for most newspapers, but not for the Mail on
:07:26. > :07:32.Sunday. We shed blood on our NHS reforms. That is David Cameron
:07:32. > :07:38.saying that we're not going to give ground. There is also the Whitney
:07:38. > :07:42.Houston story, you can see. Here is the first edition of the Observer
:07:42. > :07:50.and the second addition of the Observer.
:07:50. > :07:56.And with me to review the papers are Amanda Platell and Simon Hughes.
:07:56. > :08:00.Whitney Houston, it is very tragic but not surprising. If you look at
:08:00. > :08:04.the front page of the Observer, when it has got Whitney Houston on
:08:04. > :08:12.it compared to when it has Rupert Murdoch on it, I think this one
:08:12. > :08:20.will sell more copies. I know it is an important story. But I really
:08:20. > :08:24.think that the left media sometimes sell for obsesses about it. Quickly
:08:24. > :08:33.on Whitney Houston, people often have tragic lives, but the powerful
:08:33. > :08:39.voice, for 20 years of my life, that is one of the... It is a
:08:39. > :08:42.backdrop to parties, weddings, and it is very important. These people
:08:42. > :08:49.may have terrible difficulties but we should be thankful for the
:08:50. > :08:53.fantastic talent. I remember hearing from one of the Rolling
:08:53. > :08:59.Stones that one of the reasons that a lot of singers to drugs in the
:08:59. > :09:04.very early days was that they were performing three times a night, on
:09:04. > :09:09.the road all the time, and it was to stay awake. It became part of
:09:09. > :09:14.the culture and then it destroyed lives. Everyone is speaking about
:09:14. > :09:20.this extraordinary slew of arrests of Sun journalist. These are not
:09:20. > :09:27.obscure people. Jon Kay is about the most experienced reporter at
:09:27. > :09:31.that the industry has left. It is shocking when you look at these
:09:31. > :09:36.friends in the Independent. It shows just name after name of
:09:36. > :09:43.people. You have managing editors, the chief reporter, the executive
:09:43. > :09:47.editor, all the way across the newspaper. Every kind of senior
:09:47. > :09:54.functionary. People behind the scenes, executive roles. It is
:09:54. > :09:59.terrifying. And this is because, we understand, News International has
:09:59. > :10:05.handed over a vast, on trawled through series of expenses claims
:10:05. > :10:12.and all sorts of stuff over to the police. The police are going
:10:12. > :10:17.through them and saying, right, you. Newspapers have done so much by e-
:10:17. > :10:23.mail. You're getting approval for a story, something to pay for,
:10:23. > :10:29.private detectives, there will be a trail of it all, and some of that
:10:29. > :10:37.is completely legitimate. Simon, you got 45 grant from the phone
:10:37. > :10:45.hacking scandal this week. I mention that earlier. -- �45,000.
:10:45. > :10:52.Are you concerned about this? went to court to open this aside
:10:52. > :10:56.and get everything in the open. I was clear that it was not just the
:10:56. > :11:02.News Of The World. I was clear that a variety of activities, hacking by
:11:02. > :11:09.some, getting hold of information they should not have had, was done
:11:09. > :11:13.by the Mail on Sunday and the Sun, whole list. Our editor has
:11:13. > :11:19.categorically said that there was no phone hacking. Politicians are
:11:19. > :11:23.mixing things which are illegal and things that are legitimate.
:11:23. > :11:28.information commissioner was very clear that there had been a whole
:11:28. > :11:33.range of either illegal or inappropriate activity. THEY ALL
:11:33. > :11:37.TALK AT ONCE I was the victim, not a phone hacking at the beginning,
:11:37. > :11:41.that came later by the News Of The World.
:11:41. > :11:47.I was the victim of people paying to get private records of phone
:11:47. > :11:54.calls that were made by me. Other people were as well. To answer
:11:54. > :11:58.Andrew's question, I am clear and hopeful that the new police
:11:58. > :12:03.commissioner understands that he needs to retired corruption in the
:12:03. > :12:08.police and what was Fleet Street. Because the police were pretty
:12:08. > :12:14.involved in this? The reason I was suggesting that it does go beyond
:12:14. > :12:20.one newspaper, or one kind of newspaper, is because of a very
:12:20. > :12:24.interesting article in the Observer. It is by a very highly respected
:12:24. > :12:29.journalist. He points out that closing the News Of The World was a
:12:29. > :12:39.massive thing, because the red tops are in the cash cows for a lot of
:12:39. > :12:39.
:12:39. > :12:45.industries in this country. Their losses are 175 million, the Times
:12:45. > :12:51.and the Sunday Times. The prophet of the Sun is 650 million. He will
:12:51. > :12:56.have a simple economic situation. If Rupert Murdoch has to close down
:12:56. > :13:04.the Sun, which I do not believe he will, he is not trying to create a
:13:04. > :13:08.merger like he was when the News Of The World scandal started. There
:13:08. > :13:12.has always been that cross subsidy, and the broadsheets have been
:13:12. > :13:17.subsidised by the tabloids, but everyone is expecting the launch of
:13:17. > :13:23.a new substitute for the News Of The World. We'd better keep
:13:23. > :13:30.cracking on. Let's move on to the NHS story which has dominated
:13:30. > :13:34.political news all week. It has suddenly become the Tory party and
:13:34. > :13:39.not us who are in the firing line because of the Tim Montgomery
:13:39. > :13:44.analysis, saying that the Tories are unhappy. My view is that the
:13:44. > :13:48.NHS needed reform because it was an accountable under the last
:13:48. > :13:52.government and because under the last government all sorts of
:13:52. > :13:57.unacceptable privatisation took place. So you want this health bill
:13:57. > :14:03.to go through? I am clear that there needs to be legislation but I
:14:03. > :14:08.did not want this health bill to go through. In the Lords, the rest of
:14:08. > :14:13.the things that matter most to the public are being changed. So this
:14:13. > :14:18.is a Liberal Democrat altered health bill? Yes, and I am not
:14:18. > :14:22.embarrassed about that. In the Mail on Sunday there is a big article
:14:22. > :14:28.about the relationship between this massive company and the people who
:14:28. > :14:33.are going to be taking over a lot of the running of the NHS. There
:14:33. > :14:38.are all sorts of alleged kickbacks. It is exactly the kind of thing
:14:38. > :14:42.that your party was warning about. Are you concerned that the Health
:14:42. > :14:48.Bill will allow that kind of relationship to flourish? I hope
:14:48. > :14:55.not. We believe in an NHS free at the point of delivery. There is
:14:55. > :14:59.private sector are activity already in the NHS. Labour put it there.
:14:59. > :15:04.Labour made people use the private sector in my part of the world and
:15:04. > :15:08.elsewhere. We're getting rid of that. If the Lords do all the
:15:09. > :15:16.changes, for example making the Secretary of State fully
:15:16. > :15:23.accountable. I think we will get it in check. It is the amendments that
:15:24. > :15:29.we vote for. Every amendment will be an improvement. My constituents
:15:29. > :15:34.want us to move on from the Health Bill and concentrate on clean wards,
:15:34. > :15:38.speedy treatment. They do not speak about the structure of the health
:15:38. > :15:48.service but they do want a good health service. There is a very
:15:48. > :15:51.
:15:51. > :15:57.interesting article by Conservative She has pointed out that the Bill
:15:57. > :16:05.was originally accepted, but it is impenetrable, a bit like Andrew
:16:05. > :16:10.impenetrable, a bit like Andrew Lansley, she says. She reckons this
:16:10. > :16:14.has been orchestrated by Number 10, and that David Cameron has
:16:14. > :16:22.basically said the gates are open now, smear as much as you want, and
:16:22. > :16:27.Andrew Lansley's job is on the line. I don't think that is true. David
:16:27. > :16:31.Cameron has been lowered to reshuffle. He does tend to stay
:16:31. > :16:36.loyal to people, and he does have a lot of respect for Andrew Lansley.
:16:36. > :16:41.We should not have perpetual reshuffling, and in the last
:16:41. > :16:51.government it was hopeless. However, I am clear we need to move on from
:16:51. > :16:56.
:16:56. > :17:00.the spell. -- this bill. Do you think Andrew Lansley will survive?
:17:00. > :17:08.I think it would be better to move on. Have a different health
:17:08. > :17:11.secretary, yes. You have to be aware of our sensitivities within
:17:11. > :17:17.the coalition as a measure Mark thank you.
:17:17. > :17:27.Now, the weather. We had an autumnal winter, and now it looks
:17:27. > :17:30.
:17:30. > :17:35.like we might get a wintry spring, It looks like things are getting
:17:35. > :17:39.milder through the next few days but we still have the legacy of the
:17:39. > :17:44.cold air sitting across the south- east. Overnight we saw cloud moving
:17:44. > :17:49.in, pushing southwards. Clear skies in the south-east allowed
:17:49. > :17:54.temperatures to fall, and there is a warning of ice from the Met
:17:54. > :17:58.Office. Through the day, it is fairly cloudy, glimmers of
:17:58. > :18:02.brightness with patchy rain and drizzle, but in South eastern areas
:18:02. > :18:07.were still keep the legacy of cold air. Temperatures struggling to
:18:07. > :18:13.rise, and the cloud moving in is bringing freezing rain and snow as
:18:13. > :18:17.well. Into the Midlands, still misty and murky this afternoon,
:18:17. > :18:24.cloudy with light rain, but across Scotland glimmers of sunshine will
:18:24. > :18:29.be developing through the afternoon. Rather cloudy for Northern Ireland,
:18:29. > :18:33.but some may spells developing here and there. Through Wales and south-
:18:33. > :18:38.west England, thicker cloud is producing patchy light rain. Cold
:18:38. > :18:43.at the moment, enough to bring icy stretches, but it will warm up
:18:43. > :18:48.through the day. A potentially icy start true south eastern areas
:18:48. > :18:52.tomorrow, but on Monday again, fairly cloudy and looking a little
:18:52. > :18:55.less cold. The cloudy theme less cold. The cloudy theme
:18:55. > :18:59.continues well into the week. As the violence in Syria just get
:18:59. > :19:03.worse and worse, the efforts are intensifying to find some
:19:03. > :19:07.meaningful international response. Arab foreign ministers will be
:19:07. > :19:12.meeting in Cairo today to discuss the crisis, and there will be a
:19:12. > :19:17.further debate at the UN this week. Turkey is now stepping forward to
:19:17. > :19:24.take a leading role. I am now joined by the ambassador of Turkey
:19:24. > :19:28.in London, Unal Cevikoz. Your prime minister has made it clear he
:19:28. > :19:34.thinks this is Turkey's moment to step forward and try to bring the
:19:34. > :19:39.parties in Syria together in some way. Can you explain how, given the
:19:39. > :19:45.terrible violence and mutual hatred that is scarring that country now,
:19:45. > :19:49.how that might be possible? The let me first explain how we arrive at
:19:49. > :19:55.this point. We have been trying to reach out to the Syrian leadership
:19:55. > :19:59.since March last year, trying to explain that the demonstrations
:19:59. > :20:03.indicate there is a need for change. That is the reason why my prime
:20:03. > :20:08.minister, President and foreign minister all tried to explain that
:20:08. > :20:14.it was necessary to have some kind of political reform in the system.
:20:14. > :20:19.President Assad promised that he would be delivering, but
:20:19. > :20:23.unfortunately he did not hold his promises. Then we realised
:20:23. > :20:27.bilateral contacts did not bring any solution to the problem and we
:20:27. > :20:31.raised our attempt and tried to mobilise the regional initiatives.
:20:31. > :20:37.We tried to reach out to regional organisations and co-ordinated the
:20:37. > :20:42.Arab League, and that was the result. The Arab League took a very
:20:42. > :20:46.interesting initiative, and there were some observers in the country.
:20:46. > :20:51.They were ignored by the regime. They were, and President Bashar al-
:20:51. > :20:56.Assad has been unable to come to terms with the expectations of his
:20:56. > :21:01.people and international community. Few were ambassador in Moscow for
:21:01. > :21:06.some time as well? No, I was in Iraq. I was going to ask whether
:21:06. > :21:11.there is any surprise about the hard line being taken by Russia and
:21:11. > :21:16.China, stopping the international community moving as one. It is very
:21:16. > :21:22.disappointing that we have not been able to reach a solution in the
:21:22. > :21:29.United Nations Security Council, but the two countries, the two
:21:29. > :21:36.permanent members Russia and China have decided to walk like that.
:21:36. > :21:41.surprised is Turkey about this, because there are a lot of
:21:41. > :21:46.vulnerable groups in Syria. We have been trying to reach out to all of
:21:46. > :21:51.the segments of the society. There are different sects, different
:21:51. > :21:58.religions, different Christians, different Muslims, and ethnicities
:21:58. > :22:02.in serious so it is a very mosaic structure. That is why they are
:22:02. > :22:08.concerned, if the violence continues, it may be some kind of
:22:08. > :22:11.civil war. That is the reason why we have been recommending the
:22:11. > :22:17.opposition forces to get together, not to make any kind of division,
:22:17. > :22:21.and bring all segments of society under the same movement. You would
:22:21. > :22:26.like to bring representatives of the regime and the opposition
:22:26. > :22:36.together to agree parliamentary elections next year? That is one of
:22:36. > :22:41.the elements of the Arab League initiative, and I believe the
:22:41. > :22:44.United Nations is working on that. Elections are necessary for the
:22:44. > :22:51.future of Syria. Military intervention is completely off the
:22:51. > :23:01.table. Of is not on the agenda of Turkey or any other country. What
:23:01. > :23:02.
:23:02. > :23:07.about arming groups? This should be avoided and I don't think anybody
:23:07. > :23:12.is considering this as an alternative. In the end, somebody
:23:12. > :23:16.is going to have to look President Bashar al-Assad in the eye and
:23:16. > :23:22.persuade him he will either have to deal seriously with the opposition
:23:22. > :23:27.groups or go - who will do that? will do that and he has to respond
:23:27. > :23:31.to the expectations of his people. What is happening in Syria is a
:23:31. > :23:35.very serious development. The people are not happy with the
:23:35. > :23:40.establishment, the regime, and the President, and this is why these
:23:40. > :23:45.events are happening. And it could spark a wider war, if things go
:23:45. > :23:54.really badly. That has to be under control of course, but we simply do
:23:54. > :23:59.not want this to it -- escalate further. All the military machinery
:23:59. > :24:02.should be removed from the cities, and there will be a possibility for
:24:02. > :24:07.they position to establish dialogue with the regime. This will bring
:24:07. > :24:12.the opportunity for the Syrian people to establish a democratic
:24:12. > :24:15.society. Thank you. To the troubled health reforms we
:24:16. > :24:23.were talking about a few moments ago - the Prime Minister insists
:24:23. > :24:28.there will be no retreat but the Labour opposition scent blood. The
:24:28. > :24:34.idea was to make the NHS more efficient, but if the Bill fails,
:24:34. > :24:39.what were the opposition suggest? I am joined by the shadow health
:24:39. > :24:45.secretary, Andy Burnham. Before I come to your alternatives, give me
:24:45. > :24:50.your instincts about what will happen to this. The Prime Minister
:24:50. > :24:55.seems determined there will be another slew of amendments, but the
:24:55. > :24:58.Bill will go through. Reading today's papers, it is hard not to
:24:58. > :25:06.conclude that David Cameron is putting his political pride before
:25:06. > :25:09.the best interests of the NHS. The overwhelming consensus of opinion
:25:09. > :25:15.between doctors and NHS staff, but also it would seem the sensible
:25:15. > :25:19.members of his own cabinet, is that it seems sensible to abandon this
:25:19. > :25:24.and work back through the existing structures of the NHS. I think he
:25:24. > :25:29.is backing himself into a corner, putting himself, his party, and the
:25:29. > :25:35.NHS into a dangerous position, and quite frankly it I think he will
:25:35. > :25:40.pay a heavy price if he carries on in this way. Less talk tactics.
:25:40. > :25:44.Your political job now is to draw as many of the Government's side
:25:44. > :25:50.over to oppose this Bill as you possibly can - how will you do that
:25:50. > :25:58.in the House of Commons? I have always called for it to be dropped,
:25:58. > :26:03.but I have balanced it by talking to the government about Doctor led
:26:03. > :26:07.treatment. I will talk to them about how we can introduce doctor
:26:07. > :26:12.led commissioning within the existing structures of the NHS, but
:26:12. > :26:18.if they won't listen we will continue to oppose this Bill to
:26:18. > :26:23.have an mail. The reason is, it breaks 63 years of NHS history,
:26:23. > :26:26.turning it into a market. I can't recall David Cameron seeking
:26:26. > :26:32.people's permission to do that. There was a crucial debate coming
:26:32. > :26:35.up next week in the Commons, which is where we will ask the Commons to
:26:35. > :26:40.endorse the ruling from the information commissioner to require
:26:40. > :26:44.the government to publish its risk assessment of these reforms. I
:26:44. > :26:48.think that is essential. Parliament can't take a view on such a massive
:26:48. > :26:57.reorganisation without knowing the risks. Do you think you will get
:26:57. > :27:01.the backing from enough Lib Dem MPs, candidly, to get that past? You
:27:01. > :27:06.heard Simon Hughes a few moments ago expressing some of his concerns.
:27:07. > :27:11.I certainly hope so. There are over 10 Liberal Democrats who signed a
:27:11. > :27:16.parliamentary motion calling for this and I think it is essential.
:27:16. > :27:19.We have argued all along that the government made a catastrophic
:27:19. > :27:26.mistake when it combined the biggest financial challenge in the
:27:26. > :27:33.history of the NHS with the biggest ever reorganisation. This is the
:27:33. > :27:41.wrong time of reorganisation, and the effect of doing this is putting
:27:41. > :27:46.the services at risk. We are seeing waiting lists get longer, random
:27:46. > :27:52.rationing. There are signs from the NHS of increasing distress and this
:27:52. > :27:57.is only adding to that uncertainty. And yet, Labour put in
:27:57. > :28:01.unprecedented amounts of new money into the NHS, you did not get the
:28:01. > :28:06.productivity improvements you wanted, and isn't it the case that
:28:06. > :28:10.there is simply too much bureaucracy inside the NHS, and you
:28:10. > :28:15.don't have a clear plan about how to deal with that? I have never
:28:15. > :28:23.argued the NHS is perfect but the coalition inherited a successful
:28:23. > :28:26.self confident NHS, and in 18 months it is demoralised and
:28:26. > :28:31.fearful for the future. There are some figures coming out tomorrow
:28:31. > :28:37.that will contradict what you said about productivity. When we left
:28:37. > :28:42.the government, waiting times were at an all-time low, so why did the
:28:42. > :28:44.government take that situation and throw the pieces of the jigsaw of
:28:44. > :28:50.in the air with this reorganisation? David Cameron said
:28:50. > :28:54.there would be no top-down reorganisation. It was crucial for
:28:54. > :29:02.him before the election to pose as a friend of the NHS. He doesn't
:29:02. > :29:06.have a mandate, nobody voted for the privatisation of the NHS.
:29:06. > :29:11.everything in the garden was rosy, why are you in favour of GP
:29:11. > :29:15.commissioning? I am not against changing the NHS. One of my
:29:15. > :29:20.objections of this Bill is that it is a distraction from what is
:29:20. > :29:26.really needed. We need to treat more elderly people in their own
:29:26. > :29:29.homes, that is the kind of reform the NHS needs. This back office
:29:29. > :29:33.reorganisation is a distraction from it, and that is one of my
:29:33. > :29:38.fundamental objections. Given what you have read in the papers this
:29:38. > :29:42.morning, and the line the Prime Minister has taken, are you not
:29:42. > :29:50.reconciled to the fact that the Bill will go through, but you think
:29:50. > :29:54.it will go through? No, not at all. Far from it. I think this is not
:29:54. > :29:59.wanted by the overwhelming majority of people in the NHS, but also in
:29:59. > :30:07.the country. I think David Cameron is making a grave mistake by saying
:30:07. > :30:13.he will be forcing it on to the statute book. This will threaten
:30:13. > :30:19.the NHS. Nye Bevan famously said there will be an NHS so long as
:30:19. > :30:22.there are folk left with a face to fight for it. I say to David
:30:22. > :30:32.Cameron, if he doesn't listen to what people are saying, we will
:30:32. > :30:32.
:30:32. > :30:36.give him the fight of his life to This evening the film world will
:30:36. > :30:41.gather in London for the BAFTA awards, the annual gathering which
:30:41. > :30:45.attracts some of the biggest names in cinema, and none bigger than
:30:45. > :30:50.George Clooney. Tipped for a Best Actor BAFTA tonight and perhaps an
:30:50. > :30:55.Oscar in a fortnight, George Clooney is a massively admired
:30:55. > :30:59.performer and directors. His latest film is a wry look at the slowly
:30:59. > :31:07.imploding life of a middle-aged father, faced with chronic family
:31:07. > :31:17.problems and a land ownership dilemma. The Descendants is setting
:31:17. > :31:17.
:31:17. > :31:22.Hawaii. I think the American dream has become a nightmare and it
:31:22. > :31:28.happens far more often than people think. That is why it has resonated
:31:28. > :31:33.around the globe. There are a lot of people who are not nearly as
:31:33. > :31:37.happy as they are supposed to be. And to that extent and although it
:31:37. > :31:45.is hallway and it has the music and so on, it could almost be anywhere
:31:45. > :31:53.in America. It is a film about America? Yes. It is also a film
:31:53. > :32:03.about parenting. You have terrible, terrible children. Yes. I do not
:32:03. > :32:17.
:32:17. > :32:21.like eggs. Why did you not tell me How are you feeling? Hung over? Why
:32:21. > :32:28.am I not surprised. You were supposed to be getting your act
:32:29. > :32:34.together. I have been drinking. I have been doing really well, but no
:32:34. > :32:42.one seems to notice that. My grades have been better. I was in that
:32:42. > :32:47.stupid play that he did not even bother to see. That is what I
:32:47. > :32:51.thought. Watching this character be completely flummoxed and have no
:32:51. > :32:56.idea how to survive, for getting the land ownership issues, but
:32:56. > :33:00.inside his home. What he missed along the way was raising his
:33:00. > :33:09.children and understanding that there were other things. He has
:33:09. > :33:12.figured that out. The sense of trouble in paradise for a sort of
:33:12. > :33:19.unhappiness underneath the American Dream is something that some of
:33:19. > :33:26.your films have picked up on? films usually reflect society. That
:33:26. > :33:36.is because it takes several years to get it -- it to get a screenplay
:33:36. > :33:38.
:33:38. > :33:43.written and move forward. I think that those American dreams that we
:33:43. > :33:49.have, there are limits to those. are speaking just ahead of the
:33:49. > :33:54.BAFTAs. They have become part of the drum beat ahead of the Oscars.
:33:54. > :34:00.Americans have been coming over here to the awards for some time. I
:34:00. > :34:05.know that I have. I was nominated four times and lost all four. It is
:34:05. > :34:09.the funniest thing, when you walking, and you think, what a
:34:09. > :34:14.great thing. And you walk out and you have lost, the biggest loser
:34:14. > :34:19.they have ever had. Let's speak about politics, because your father
:34:19. > :34:25.ran for Congress in Kentucky. The Ides Of March was a great film in
:34:25. > :34:31.which you play a highly ambitious presidential candidate. That film
:34:31. > :34:38.is not a redemption film. No, but I find that there are interesting
:34:38. > :34:45.things to speak about and leave for an audience to decide. It is about
:34:45. > :34:50.how we in America and elect our officials. If it works and it gets
:34:50. > :34:58.the right Gary in office, and the right person does not lead due to
:34:58. > :35:01.conflict, for instance, then is it worth it? At what level are we
:35:01. > :35:11.going to adjust air morality in the beginning, do the ends justified
:35:11. > :35:17.the means? You knew President Obama way back? Yes, I did. When he was a
:35:17. > :35:27.senator. Where do you think he is now, because there are signs of
:35:27. > :35:36.economic revolt -- economic revival? I think there will be a
:35:36. > :35:42.pretty low turnout in the election. I think you see a lot of people
:35:42. > :35:49.taking in this rhetoric that is not simply true. You can make arguments
:35:49. > :35:54.about a very successful presidency. The old thing about campaign in
:35:55. > :35:58.poetry, government froze. He has found governing harder?
:35:58. > :36:04.governing bit is harder when you have a group that stood up... When
:36:04. > :36:10.Mitch McConnell, the head of the Senate, stands up two years ago and
:36:10. > :36:14.says an our number one goal is to make this man a one-term president.
:36:14. > :36:21.The way that he makes someone as a one-term president days you pass no
:36:21. > :36:25.bills that take the economy forward. We have had real difficulty just
:36:25. > :36:30.getting normal things past, the sort of thing is that President
:36:30. > :36:37.Reagan past 12 times. It is probably the most polar ice time
:36:37. > :36:44.since the civil war from us -- for us in terms of right and left. --
:36:44. > :36:51.it the most polarised time. You're beginning to find more challenges
:36:51. > :36:55.in directing? Yes, I think anyone would find that. Directing is
:36:55. > :37:00.infinitely more creative because acting is one element of film-
:37:00. > :37:05.making and directing his every element. I am realistic about what
:37:05. > :37:11.happens to a career. If you watch the careers of the great actors, it
:37:11. > :37:17.does not end well. You're not going to say that your raging badly?
:37:17. > :37:24.not saying that, but you are ageing. The job is evolving. I was reading
:37:25. > :37:29.about the accident he had in Syriana. Tell us what happened.
:37:29. > :37:35.I tore the middle of my bag and my neck about that far so I lost all
:37:35. > :37:39.my spinal fluid, and when you do that, your brain sings in your head.
:37:39. > :37:49.You back does not hurt, but your brain herds. I thought I had a
:37:49. > :37:54.
:37:55. > :37:59.stroke. -- your brain is painful. I had to have surgery. For two years
:37:59. > :38:05.I was dealing with a 24 hours a day. A way you contemplating your
:38:06. > :38:15.mortality? Yes, but not in a morbid way. It makes you focus on getting
:38:16. > :38:20.
:38:20. > :38:25.things done. You are tipped for an Oscar for The Descendants. You look
:38:25. > :38:32.at the guys who are in there, and every one of them has a great story,
:38:32. > :38:35.the five Oscar nominees. There are really good stories involved. Gary
:38:35. > :38:41.Oldman has never been nominated but he has done all these wonderful
:38:41. > :38:51.performances. Brad Pitt has never won and he has done all these
:38:51. > :38:54.amazing performances. This is a real contest. And Jean Dujardin,
:38:55. > :39:03.not because he is probably the one who's going to win. If you have
:39:03. > :39:12.seen The Artist, there is no way not to love it. What is an Oscar-
:39:12. > :39:22.winning performance? That is a good question. Interestingly, it is off
:39:22. > :39:24.
:39:24. > :39:32.at time. I have won one so I have some understanding of it. -- of a
:39:32. > :39:41.time. It is a perception of what you have done at a given time in
:39:41. > :39:45.history. You can change your opinion... It is hard to get a
:39:45. > :39:51.leading actor's Oscar from a film that is not already a great film.
:39:51. > :39:56.The script has to be great. Every time you do if you are trying to
:39:56. > :40:04.give your best performance. Every time. So the one that is slightly
:40:04. > :40:09.better, how does that happen? are a million elements. As an actor,
:40:09. > :40:14.you cannot make a good Fillmore performance out of a bad screenplay.
:40:14. > :40:24.The script is everything. You can make bad films out of good
:40:24. > :40:24.
:40:24. > :40:32.screenplays, but you cannot do it the other way. Those are the two
:40:32. > :40:37.element that you cannot survive without. If those two are there,
:40:37. > :40:41.there are all sorts of ways that things can workout. Jeff Bridges
:40:41. > :40:48.was winning everything a couple of years ago. You knew that and he was
:40:48. > :40:54.wonderful in the film, so deservedly so. But it is as much
:40:54. > :40:58.about us wanting to live in a world where Jeff Bridges has an Oscar. He
:40:58. > :41:04.has given wonderful performances in lots of films. There is an element
:41:04. > :41:11.of this that is a generosity of spirit. Sentiment, warmth, a moment
:41:11. > :41:17.in time. Yes. I hope that it is yours this time. Thank you.
:41:17. > :41:20.actor and director of George Clooney. He is also a prominent
:41:20. > :41:26.human rights activist and has set up a project to track abuses in
:41:26. > :41:32.Darfur using satellite technology. He speaks about that in a longer
:41:32. > :41:37.interviews you can see on our website. I am glad to say that the
:41:37. > :41:42.culture secretary Jeremy Hunt is going to join us now. It is a
:41:42. > :41:49.pleasure to be here. Can we start by speaking about the Leveson
:41:49. > :41:53.enquiry? The Leveson enquiry is one of several things on your plate. It
:41:53. > :42:00.has been at an almost theatrical performance that has run and run,
:42:00. > :42:06.some terrible stories being told. In the end, Leveson comes to you
:42:06. > :42:11.with recommendations. Do you simply accept them? It is an independent
:42:11. > :42:16.inquiry so I do not know what he will recommend but we will look at
:42:16. > :42:20.the recommendations carefully. I think the process that we have had
:42:20. > :42:25.vindicates the decision by the Prime Minister, against a lot of
:42:25. > :42:30.cynicism, and remember, this is something that has been swept under
:42:30. > :42:36.the carpet by governments for a long time. David Cameron said, no,
:42:36. > :42:40.we will tackle this and going to eat properly. I think the process
:42:40. > :42:46.has worked well and people have confidence it is being done fairly.
:42:46. > :42:50.Could it be that the inquiry is the punishment? There is an element of
:42:50. > :43:00.that, because often the best disinfectant his son like when you
:43:00. > :43:06.
:43:06. > :43:10.have problems. -- is sunlight. There needs to be changes in the
:43:10. > :43:14.way the press is regulated, but people are starting to realise the
:43:14. > :43:20.value of the press. The News Of The World exposed the cricket fixing
:43:20. > :43:24.scandal. The Daily Mail had a very important role in bringing Stephen
:43:24. > :43:29.Lawrence's murderers to justice. People are recognising what we
:43:29. > :43:34.value as well. Without prejudging the inquiry, there is clearly a
:43:34. > :43:41.conundrum. No one seems to one state regulation of the press on
:43:41. > :43:46.the one hand, and I suspect you do not either. On the other hand, self
:43:46. > :43:50.regulation is self regulation and it has not worked in the past. Some
:43:50. > :43:58.proprietors say they do not want to be part of any self regulation
:43:58. > :44:04.system, so well parliament not have to have a role in some form? I do
:44:04. > :44:07.not understand how it is going to work. It is very interesting. We
:44:07. > :44:13.have come much closer to a consensus on the way forward and I
:44:13. > :44:18.would have predicted. Everyone agrees we do not want the state
:44:18. > :44:22.regulating the content. We have one of the most lively prices in the
:44:22. > :44:26.world. They make life for me and my fellow politicians extremely
:44:26. > :44:31.uncomfortable and that is part of keeping us on the straight and
:44:31. > :44:37.narrow. We do not want them to the state controlled, but we need to
:44:37. > :44:42.have a tougher system, I would like it to be an industry led system. It
:44:42. > :44:46.needs to be independent of newspaper proprietors and editors.
:44:46. > :44:53.If a newspaper is going to be punished for stepping out of line,
:44:53. > :44:56.it needs to be a credible punishment. I think it will be
:44:56. > :45:02.possible to find a way through this, but we will need to wait and see
:45:02. > :45:06.what the inquiry says. So you are hoping that the industry comes to
:45:06. > :45:10.you with a tougher, more formal framework, possibly involving
:45:10. > :45:20.things like a register of journalists? That means you will
:45:20. > :45:22.
:45:22. > :45:26.I would love the industry to come to me with their proposed solution,
:45:26. > :45:30.but whatever you propose must have the confidence of the public
:45:30. > :45:35.because the public can not happy with what has been going on. They
:45:35. > :45:40.are passionate about having a free press, having newspapers that hold
:45:40. > :45:45.people to account, but they want people to behave properly. If
:45:45. > :45:50.people can come forward with that solution, that would be much better.
:45:50. > :45:55.So, it has to be tougher than what we have had in the past? Yes, and
:45:55. > :46:00.it has to have a system of punishment so that, if the
:46:00. > :46:03.newspaper stepped out of line, they really do get punished. I think the
:46:03. > :46:08.newspapers understand things have to change. We have made much more
:46:08. > :46:12.progress. The elephants in the room is the fact that the newspaper
:46:12. > :46:17.industry itself, as you would know as a former editor, is not making
:46:17. > :46:26.money. With the changes in technology that is happening, the
:46:26. > :46:30.fact that people are reading used on their iPhones, there iPads,
:46:30. > :46:35.there is the technological upheaval. How important is it that Rupert
:46:35. > :46:41.Murdoch remains a big donor in this country? He has said he is not
:46:41. > :46:46.going to close the Sun, but that is funding other papers which are
:46:46. > :46:50.losing money. Not everybody would come in and back those newspapers.
:46:50. > :46:55.That is not my job to say who should be owning what papers, but I
:46:55. > :47:02.will say that I think Rupert Murdoch, through the investments he
:47:02. > :47:07.made in Sky for example has massively increased choice in the
:47:07. > :47:12.UK. Obviously I want the UK to continue to be an attractive place
:47:12. > :47:18.for international investors. I am hoping that what will come out of
:47:18. > :47:23.the whole Leveson process is that we can clean up what is happening
:47:23. > :47:28.but also we can put in a new regulatory structure which helps
:47:28. > :47:34.the newspaper industry evolve, deal with the challenge of the internet,
:47:34. > :47:38.and if we can do that, if Britain is exciting place for that model,
:47:38. > :47:44.hopefully investors from all over the world will want to be a part of
:47:44. > :47:49.this story. We saw a shocking story yesterday of a slew of the rest of
:47:49. > :47:53.really very senior people at the Sun newspaper. It is separate from
:47:53. > :47:58.the Leveson thing entirely, but this is people corruptly paying
:47:58. > :48:03.police and civil servants, allegedly, but this is not limited
:48:03. > :48:10.to one newspaper, this is something you presumably fear is more
:48:10. > :48:15.widespread in the industry? So it would appear, but this process is
:48:15. > :48:20.going on. This is the process David Cameron started, and he said he
:48:20. > :48:27.would deal with the problem of phone hacking with a series of
:48:27. > :48:31.inquiries. But also people realise how important our newspapers are. I
:48:31. > :48:36.think the MP expenses scandal, when Parliament was a disgrace, actually
:48:36. > :48:40.parliament has recovered since then, found its voice back, and it needed
:48:40. > :48:44.to go through that. The tragedy of the closure of the News Of The
:48:44. > :48:52.World is that a lot of people who used to buy it had not switched to
:48:52. > :48:56.another paper, they have stopped buying altogether. Let's turn to
:48:56. > :49:05.another current crisis, which is what is going on in football, with
:49:05. > :49:09.some very serious allegations of racist behaviour on the pitch. You
:49:09. > :49:14.are meeting the prime minister to talk to him about this - give us a
:49:14. > :49:21.sense of the kind of thing politicians can do. When you think
:49:21. > :49:26.about the issue of racism in football, we have made huge strides,
:49:26. > :49:31.and, as a society, one of the reasons we have been changing
:49:31. > :49:36.attitudes is because of the changes in football. The last few weeks
:49:36. > :49:39.would not necessarily support that. The lesson of the last couple of
:49:39. > :49:44.months is that you can never be complacent, and the Prime Minister
:49:44. > :49:48.is concerned to make sure we don't go back to the bad old days, but
:49:48. > :49:51.also we are making sure the football authorities and the
:49:51. > :49:57.government continued to do everything we can to stamp out this
:49:57. > :50:01.problem. So you would be pleased to see John Terry stripped of his
:50:01. > :50:06.captain ship so no suspicion of racism can be tolerated? With tears
:50:06. > :50:10.a decision of the FA but I did support them when they made that
:50:10. > :50:16.decision because sometimes a principle is more important than
:50:16. > :50:26.any one person. It is important for the future of the game that the FA
:50:26. > :50:28.
:50:28. > :50:36.deal decisively with these issues, as they did with Louise Clara's. --
:50:36. > :50:43.Luis Suarez. More headlines today, on pleasantness on the pitch, and
:50:43. > :50:49.that presumably depresses you? the FA will be looking at whether
:50:49. > :50:54.any rules were broken. The referee did a fantastic job, but this is
:50:54. > :51:00.the kind of thing which can so easily escalate, which is why the
:51:00. > :51:05.Prime Minister has decided to take a real interest. Part of the knock-
:51:05. > :51:11.on effect of Fabio Capello walking out, now there is a vacancy for the
:51:11. > :51:15.England captain, is it important to get an English man in that job?
:51:15. > :51:20.body would be more happy than me if we could find in English coach for
:51:20. > :51:25.the English team, but not because he was English, because he was the
:51:25. > :51:30.best person for the job. I am sure Harry Redknapp or whoever was
:51:31. > :51:36.chosen would have the same views. We want the best person for the job.
:51:36. > :51:40.Let's move on to the other government issue of the week, the
:51:40. > :51:43.health reforms. It has been a miserable time for the government.
:51:43. > :51:49.The Prime Minister it is banging the table and saying we are going
:51:49. > :51:53.to hang on to the Health Secretary come what may, but now people are
:51:53. > :51:58.saying so many changes have been made to this bill, what is the
:51:58. > :52:03.point? The first thing I want to say is that Andrew Lansley is the
:52:03. > :52:10.right person for this job. You have been tipped to take his job! At I
:52:10. > :52:14.am proud to be the Culture Secretary, and Andrew Lansley is a
:52:14. > :52:19.decent man, passionate about the NHS, and he knows what he is doing.
:52:19. > :52:24.It is wrong to make a judgement about somebody when they are in the
:52:24. > :52:31.eye of the storm. Making forms is never popular. When Tony Blair was
:52:31. > :52:38.doing Foundation Trust for example, these are very contentious issues
:52:38. > :52:43.and I think he will be seen as the architect of the NHS in years to
:52:43. > :52:49.come. And D Burnham was saying this will not go through. He has
:52:49. > :52:53.questions to answer - he was Health Secretary in a government that had
:52:53. > :52:58.seven reorganisations in eight years, he says he is now against
:52:58. > :53:02.reorganisations. He says he supports moves to give autonomy to
:53:02. > :53:11.the front line, which he calls privatisation, which it certainly
:53:11. > :53:14.isn't. He went into the election planning to cut the NHS budget. I
:53:14. > :53:21.think they should answer some questions about their own policies
:53:21. > :53:26.as well. He mentioned the Olympics, you're wearing your smart badge.
:53:26. > :53:29.Controversially, you doubled the budget for the opening ceremony,
:53:29. > :53:34.and in a time of austerity people would say it was not necessarily a
:53:34. > :53:41.good use of money. We don't know how many people will watch that
:53:41. > :53:44.opening ceremony. It could be 1 billion, the Chinese say 4 billion
:53:44. > :53:48.watched their opening ceremony. This will be the longest
:53:48. > :53:57.advertisement for our country in history, and I want the world to
:53:57. > :54:04.know that this is the country that invented eight of the top 10 world
:54:04. > :54:09.sports, part of standing alone against fascism in the Second World
:54:09. > :54:14.War, and I want the world to know this is our chance. We do not want
:54:14. > :54:20.to see British modesty. This is time to bang the drum about what is
:54:20. > :54:26.brilliant about our country. Now the news headlines.
:54:27. > :54:33.There singer Whitney Houston has died, she was 48. police say she
:54:33. > :54:40.was found in a hotel room yesterday afternoon. She was one of the
:54:40. > :54:44.world's best-selling artist until the mid- 90s. She was due to attend
:54:44. > :54:49.the ceremony of the Grammy awards later today. The pie minister has
:54:49. > :54:52.expressed strong support for the Health Secretary after reports that
:54:52. > :54:57.three Cabinet ministers are opposed to some of his proposed changes to
:54:57. > :55:01.the NHS in England, but the Lib Dem deputy leader Simon Hughes was less
:55:01. > :55:06.certain about his future. He told this programme he believed
:55:06. > :55:13.it would be better to move on in the second half of this Parliament.
:55:13. > :55:19.The next news on BBC One is at midday. Now, let's look at what is
:55:19. > :55:24.coming up after this show. Join us in Oxford, where we will be
:55:24. > :55:30.asking should the NHS become a business opportunity? A constituent
:55:30. > :55:40.and GP says the way this plays into the hands of the commercial sector
:55:40. > :55:41.
:55:41. > :55:46.is immoral. We are also asking - our religions sexist?
:55:46. > :55:50.Christy Moore is one of the most extraordinary and original talent
:55:51. > :55:56.in folk music. A songwriter and performer over more than four
:55:56. > :56:03.decades and he is known for political causes such as Irish
:56:03. > :56:09.republicanism. The clues are in the album titles - Smoke And Strong
:56:09. > :56:15.Whiskey and Unfinished Revolution, and so on. You'll be playing a song
:56:15. > :56:20.by Ewan McColl. Tell us about why he is someone we should remember.
:56:20. > :56:27.The songs he wrote live on. The first time ever I Saw Your face,
:56:27. > :56:32.travelling people, a whole dearth of songs. He was a wonderful writer,
:56:33. > :56:37.and when I met him in 1968 he was very encouraging to me. This is a
:56:37. > :56:44.gentle song you will be singing, which relate to the backdrop.
:56:44. > :56:49.are much so. Having looked at the backdrop, I thought of this song.
:56:49. > :56:53.You are of a new album out, you are doing a lot of touring. Still
:56:54. > :56:58.working away, and still very relieved the voice still survives.
:56:58. > :57:02.You attribute to the Thames we will be hearing in a moment. Thank you
:57:03. > :57:08.took all of my guests this morning. Next week we will be speaking to
:57:08. > :57:18.William Hague, Denzel Washington, and many more. Now we leave you
:57:18. > :57:23.
:57:23. > :57:33.with Christy Moore and Sweet Thames Flow Softly.
:57:33. > :57:44.
:57:45. > :57:54.# I met my love near Woolwich a # On the river, Flo sweet river flow.
:57:55. > :57:55.
:57:55. > :58:02.# London town was mind to give her, Sweet Thames flowed softly.
:58:02. > :58:08.# I made the Thames into a crown, Flo sweet river flow.
:58:08. > :58:15.How she I made a brooch of Silvertown, Sweet Thames flowed
:58:15. > :58:22.softly. From Shadwell dock to Ninewells
:58:22. > :58:28.reach, we cheek to cheek were dancing. How she her necklace made
:58:28. > :58:37.of London Bridge, her beauty was enhancing.
:58:37. > :58:47.# I kissed her once again at Wapping, Flo sweet river flow.
:58:47. > :58:48.
:58:48. > :58:57.# After that, there was no stopping. Sweet Thames flowed softly.
:58:57. > :59:06.# And I gave her Richmond Park to twist, Flo sweet river flow.
:59:06. > :59:13.# Into a bracelet for her wrist, Sweet Thames flowed softly.